...yep, no lie. We had an hour date and I suggested wine and a movie back at my place. She agrees (we had already kissed and talked about tons of different topics
Once bounced to the house, I wait 20 minutes then initiate escalation again on my bed. I start kissing her and then start to take her pants off and she grabs my hand so I say I respect whatever you want to do and sit back and stop. She then lays next to me we watch tv and I start kissing her again, this time she doesn't stop me and I get her pants off and as I go for a condom I realize I don't have one and she wants a condom. So I just give up. All escalation has stopped, I'm not forcing anything.
At this moment her Anti Slut Defense kicks in and she puts her clothes on and covertly slides out the door in like 15 seconds looking shamed and kinda embarrassed.
I receive an email from match.com in morning threatening to ban me for inappropriate conduct.
UPDATE: So just to be clear, sexual topics and kissing occurred BEFORE we even made it back to my place. This chick LOVED the alpha types, which makes it ultra ironic considering if I "didn't escalate" I wouldn't of even had a chance in the book, she would of left not respecting me. She even qualified me on how alpha I am before even getting the number with "I have to see if your worthy" after I said something she thought was weak. On the date we met at Starbucks, she tries to get me to buy her coffee and when I don't she goes "well you just lost two cool points"....she was constantly shit testing...this girl flirted like a pickup artist and just loved the alphas.
So final thoughts on why she left shamed/embarrassed - that's what I am trying to figure out. Because I totally respected her and even said "I don't judge I respect whatever you choose" and never escalated more than when she stopped me. But when we did kiss she was like "ur so aggressive" she was soo into it, she loved it. Hence why she eventually let me take her pants off and wanted to bang.
Also for context, I had a hickey on my neck from a previous girl and there was a clothing piece from another girl in my room that she noticed and commented on. So either
a) she felt like I only wanted her for sex and thought I was a player and assumed I would end up just using her b) she felt like I turned her down by not having a condom c) she lost respect for me for not having a condom and for me willing to do raw dog d) got to point of no return - sex didn't happen and anti slut defense kicked in
Their was no time for consoling her. She immediately set up after the condom thing. Logic kicked in. Point of no return. I told her to lay back down and we won't do anything and she just left.
I texted her the next day saying I enjoyed it so she didn't feel bad and of course nothing.
Then the inappropriate behavior from match. Which I am sure was reported as borderline sexual assault
I just don't know what I could of done differently. That's kind of the cardinal rule if you want to get laid, - when a chick stops you, don't stop forever, she's just saying not now......so re-engage and see if she's willing to go farther. I haven't had any other girls act like this.
UPDATE 2 : I have concluded the reason for this situation was that she got the impression that I was just using her for sex and assumed I thought she was a slut and saw her as just another notch on the belt. This was the cause of the LMR. The fact that she could see proof that I just had sex from another chick recently, probably worked against me in this case. This was no drawn out LMR, the kissing progressed very rapidly because of how easily she got turned on by it. The chemistry was like from 0 to 60 quick....she stopped me but then when I tried again we started kissing and then bam we progressed to her pants off like that......I should have slowed down between restarting escalation, made her feel that I do not judge her, and build some more rapport.
Additionally, I should have called her immediately when she left that room. It felt weird how she left, but I never experienced it. She was feeling internally like an object of sex and by me waiting to the next day she was already past the point of no return and it confirmed to her that I did not value her.
------This really shows how f'd up woman are. It's a delicate balance. If I tried to too much comfort or too wait, well you will get crucified with today's chicks. I have been penalized for not escalating before too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
solarbang 9y ago
This sounds like a beta problem. Alpha could close the deal with or without a condom. More importantly, he would have been prepared. I could see op being upset about some bullshit about being reported, but that bitch leaving. A) probably his fault for not being prepared B) bitches are crazy and we know this. Bitches start shit and not finish all the time. C) She might have just been fucking with you because you were so aggressive to let you think you were getting it and then ready to bounce. D) more importantly bitches are crazy, sounds like you got lucky passing on this bitch even if she made the decision for you. Bang some other bitch, give us the deetz. :D
That being said hope I'm not coming off like a dick. We have all have our fair share of fail moments. As for technique sounds like you were solid on if you were getting reciprocation and escalating. More importantly starting and stopping.
TL;DR: Always be prepared, don't let the dumb shit get your down, just remember bitches are dumb and society embraces their irresponsible behavior. Keep condoms and lube on site.
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MetalliMunk 9y ago
...with a username like yours, this sort of advice probably is given more often :)
An_All-Beef_Engineer 9y ago
Cross post this to xx and watch the world burn.
Deathfrompopcorn 9y ago
this is the only reasonable way to solve the problem.
avocado0286 9y ago
Well, unless you want to avoid getting AIDS.
phaed 9y ago
Ideed, get all the AIDS that way.
Rathadin 9y ago
Most homosexuals (and heterosexuals for that matter) that get AIDS from anal sex are on the receiving end, because your johnson is literally tearing their asshole... which means when you blow your AIDS-infested load up their shitter, it goes right into the bloodstream. Even if you're using lube and going slow, the anal sphincter can still receive micro-tears from the stretching.
Hence, AIDS aids AIDS aids AIDS EVERY
BODYONE'S GOT AIDS!EDIT: The Pope has got it, and so do you.
zenkibudo 9y ago
That, and the fact that the intestinal membrane is only one cell thick which is again, a fast passage to the bloodstream -- no wreckage or tearing is needed to facilitate this transfer. This adds to and does not negate what you posit on tearing.
Conversely, vaginal walls are far thicker and far less permeable.
Hence perhaps ending the long quandary over why AIDS/HIV seems to favor gay males (and intravenous users). Rather than conspiratory or imaginary, reasons are apparently based in simple biology and vector delivery method.
oldredder 9y ago
SHARING IV users.
I injected for 10 years, clean 100%. Never shared. Ever. A lot of stupid people would claim this or that process would clean a rig (code: for needles) but it was all wrong. You're lucky if 20 minutes of bleach will kill hep-C and given many places actually have FREE clean sealed needles this is a stupid, stupid thing to do.
brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
Her mouth works too, if she resists give her a funny look and tell her exactly what latex and lubricant tastes like (terrible).
ChoppinTheTarts 9y ago
I've just gotten some new condoms from lifeskin that are non latex I've heard good things.
EmperorAurelius 9y ago
Lifeskin? Or do you mean lifestyle?
ChoppinTheTarts 9y ago
Hah I totally mixed up lifestyle and skyn. I meant skyn.
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wimmyjales 9y ago
Seriously though, instead of doing nothing maybe that would've been a better move to at least try. I wonder how many guys have actually been able to skip the vag and go straight to anal. I've done everything under the sun, and I can't even boast that accomplishment. I have tried quite a few times.
oldredder 9y ago
What the fuck is the obsession with anal.
That's where poop is and I do not want it on my dick, and I don't want her to blow me and have that in her mouth after I've put it in her ass.
I swear most guys only want to do anal because they see that shit in porn. Porn's not addictive but it does normalize culture. That's where shaved pussy came from too: once it started in porn all the girls started copying it.
Anal is a fetish and I don't care for it. Next I'll be hearing about foot-fucking fetishes like that was normal or something...give that shit 10 years I guess.
Back in the day if any of our buds said he put it in her ass our first comment is "cuz yer gay? prefer the pooper like it was a man?"
wimmyjales 9y ago
Normally I'd ignore this comment as a troll but you actually seem like you sincerely don't understand so I'll explain it to you. The feeling of anal really isn't that different from anything else you stick you dick in, it's completely the mental aspect. The reason anal is a turn on is the same reason we like girls to swallow, or dress up, or say dirty shit. It's a frontier she gives up to you and it's more of a sexual power trip than a physical thing, her submitting herself to please you.
oldredder 9y ago
You should ignore me then.
I'm not a troll but because I know better than most people here, like you, most will say "troll"
Go away.
Poop on dick = no fucking way.
Anal: a porn fetish that men are picking up on because they think it's normal once they look at it all the time in porn.
The vag hole is the right hole.
Masonjarteadrinker2 9y ago
I've done a few chicks in the ass and never gotten shit on my dick, doesn't even smell like shit. It's actually pretty amazing how it's nice and clean in there, those women must have taken their fiber.
oldredder 9y ago
true, I've heard that can be done, some kind of pills to clean it right out - doctors prescribe for when a colonoscopy is needed because they don't want to deal with that in the way either.
I guess I'd have to trust she really took care of things knowing in advance she's getting ass-fucked and I don't want shit on my dick. On the other hand ... the other hole is just meant for what I want to do.
Masonjarteadrinker2 9y ago
As a teen though I did get shit on my dick and that chicks ass smelled really bad, hasn't happened since then and this was over 15 years ago.
sway_usa 9y ago
Did it 3 weeks ago with a girl on her period. Never even got her last name :D
Rathadin 9y ago
I've done it with several girls, actually... the hotter, the better. Hot-to-crazy ratio, you know.
wimmyjales 9y ago
What's the move? I know the technique to get anal usually, at least I know what works for me. I normally do some kind of continuous ass stimulation along with everything else I'm doing, so that eventually when I put it in it's more of a natural progression than coming out of nowhere. The ways I've tried to skip the puss so far has ranged from going oral with lots of ass fingering and gently attempting to slide in, to just throwing caution to the wind and haphazardly ramming it in during those bent over the table gorilla-fuck moments. No luck yet.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Don't ask, simply announce that her ass is about to get hate fucked. Then tell her to relax. The last four I have met online have all eagerly taken it in the ass, and begged for a load in there. Tomorrow I have another lined up, we'll see how it goes.
I call it the Hat Trick. Oral, vaginal, and anal in the same session.
wimmyjales 9y ago
Well I know enough not to ask. Also, I'm talking specifically about skipping the vag, which is arguably a higher accomplishment than the hat trick and in my experience more difficult to pull off.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Done that too, back in October with a chick two years younger than me. Old chicks would rather put out than be put out to pasture. Got her worked up, she said lets go to my bed, she laid face down, ass up and when she said 'thats the back door' I said 'I know' and fucked it. I'm not big on anal, but it's something I do to gauge how kinky and slutty she is. If she is quite small, like my second wife or one of the 22 year olds I fucked last year, I won't fit in her ass easily due to girth, so I do other shit like B&D.
dabrah1 9y ago
moral of the story: stock up on condoms
Zanford 9y ago
'Blowjob' is the answer you're looking for.
skoobled 9y ago
Match.com, aka betabux.com. OP's mistake was trying to sex the lady, when he should have been detailing how he planned to hand over the majority of his hard earned assets to her on a 10 year plan
soccerplusaviation 9y ago
Lol. The price you pay for not risking pregnancy or an std.
Hennez 9y ago
The problem was that you didn't do her. It sucks that they pull crazy stuff like this.
Actually you showed responsibility. And given the amount of mindless stuff some people do, this kind of behaviour should be praised.
Keep your head high OP.
wontfixnow 9y ago
in other words: bitches be cray when the don't get the expected dick
mtersen 9y ago
yeah he did the correctly responsible thing to do, and is being punished for it because pussypass
iluminatiNYC 9y ago
Yeah. There's no point in being suicidal by giving someone raw dick. You did the smart thing.
coppercable 9y ago
Rule number 1. Never stick your dick in crazy.
getomc 9y ago
Jokes on you. All women are crazy.
soupermain 9y ago
If he did her he'd be facing a false rape case
flyingwolf 9y ago
You think he actually has to have even touched her for a false rape case to be brought?
P0eticJustice 9y ago
Does it really matter if he did? Unless he had recorded with video what happened, it's her word against his.
RedbullF1 9y ago
The funny thing is even if he proved he didn't rape her, he'd still get fucked for recording the video (consensual or not). You did the right thing OP.
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bustanutmeow 9y ago
Would that count as modifying the evidence? What if you had a home security setup?
TenaciousTriscuit 9y ago
Similar thing happened to me, though I knew the girl from my life outside of the internet.
Anyway, first date we watch movies at her house and drink. we are having a great time kissing and stuff. I actually liked this girl a lot, she loved pretty much everything I was into. So we are making out and she says she wants to have sex when we are sober, awesome, me too I can respect that. So morning comes around which the whole night was a huge cock tease. Sleeping together/her rubbing all over me. we get breakfast in the morning....which I payed for also I brought her beer...I know beta move but I was super beta at the time. We come back and have sex, then I leave shortly after cause she had work. We talk for a while and plan to meet the next weekend. also I drove an hour to see her -__-. So we go to her house, same deal. We have sex which I thought was great. I leave, same deal as before. She texts me a few hours after this saying that she didnt like me...I was wondering why. So I asked her and she said she is turned off because I "Forced Myself on Her". I am in awe and completely shocked that she said that. I was respectful...I didnt even start to undress her or anything like that...then eventually she LEAD me upstairs to her room. That was that, I havent spoken to her since. But she pretty much had me swallowing the red pill....Thank God for her because I finally opened my eyes. I assume it was the fact that my SMV was not high enough
KyfhoMyoba 9y ago
You didn't close the deal. I think that it was in Sperm Wars that I read something like 20-40% of rapes go on to have some kind of voluntary relationship afterwards. Or maybe that 20-40% of relationships start out with the woman claiming rape. IDK. Anyhow, women like being raped. Wait, wait. That's not it. I'm wrong. Women DON'T like being raped, they just fantasize about it. I haven't slept in 22 hours and I'm kinda loopy.
ABC. Always Be Closing.
clam61 9y ago
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oldredder 9y ago
It's not too late for her to do a false rape charge. No sex has to happen, that's why it would be false.
Goldfulgore 9y ago
I thought the whole point of match.com was to meet and fuck.
oldredder 9y ago
That's tinder and craigslist
EKEEFE41 9y ago
By being respectful and noble, you reminded her that she was not acting that way... If you and her had just "lost your self in passion" she would have never blinked an eye..
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"everything is a gift"
If you get banned then maybe it will motivate you to game in person more. Online dating is a waste of your time because you don't get rejected and it doesn't make you stronger or improve your game.
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circlhat 9y ago
Online game is a different game, it requires just as much skill if not more.
A girl gets far more people after her online than offline.
Maybe 1-2(Varies I know) a day if she is really hot. Online she gets 100 messages a day.
If you can stand out from that crowd you got game...
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There is no rejection online because it's text on a screen.
Game is about making yourself vulnerable to rejection by approaching a woman.
The 'skill' with online dating is messaging as many women as possible in a given setting which 100% of men can do.
Few men have the game or confidence to approach many women in a given setting in person. If you want to stand out from the crowd then approach a woman in a grocery store.
No woman fantasizes about meeting a man on OkCupid. They fantasize about a strange man seducing her when she doesn't expect it
circlhat 9y ago
Most men I talk too with day game avoid online dating because they say they get rejected so much its a time waster.
And it can be, just like in person can be. I once had 4 girls in one week.
Makes no real difference , the girls I met all had rape fantasies. I guess meeting a guy on craigslist for random pretend rape sex works for them too.
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One of the TRp endorsed guys said it best:
When you date online, there is no learning from a rejection. Because you can’t fucking get rejected through a screen. That shit provides no learning curve.
In real life there is nothing you can do except put yourself out there, be the best you can be, and stay in the moment. Spending time on the computer won’t help you in those arenas. You hide behind a made up persona, don’t have to look a person in the eye when you type a response, and can go jerk off in between replies. That fucks you up, it doesn’t make you better.
circlhat 9y ago
I still have to meet her, talk to her, pass her shit test, pass LMR.
I can't jack off, I still have to have game, online is just the meet, the only difference between you and me is how we setup the meet.
Everything else is the same from that point on
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
Thing is though, if you get the meet, she already has accepted you. Now you just need to overcome resistance. On the street initial rejection is a whole lot tougher than an unreplied to PM.
zuk1 9y ago
make her super wet with fingers and mouth. get blown.
Shade_Raven 9y ago
Exchange oral. Wtf you doin mate
cover20 9y ago
I'm just wondering what she alleged and what they say was inappropriate. I see absolutely nothing inappropriate there so I would not be afraid but stand on the facts. And if they ban you for inappropriate conduct, you've got a lawsuit to consider, and they know it.
Don't say lawsuit, just be very specific about what happened and demanding to know which part was inappropriate.
BBB2000 9y ago
I'm sure she alleged "my escalation" as inappropriate. She did stop me but after we stopped I tried again. Backward rationalization she can say it was me and she never wanted to do it in the first place.
By reporting it it further helps her feel like a non slut and rationalize.
I am not banned yet but if they get another complain I think I will be.....it's funny because of the reasons for inappropriate conduct on match most of it is "asking for money" "wrong pictures" but then it gets to "how they were on or after date"
Which just leaves so much leeway and he said she said.
It's a womans world. I can't argue this rationally. No one will think a woman who left early cause she is uncomfortable and reported it is in the wrong.
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muyuu 9y ago
Have you tried talking to her? try to find out what her take in the situation was. Also, this should have happened pretty much as soon as possible rather than waiting for a notification from the website...
This kind of behaviour is risky. Legally risky, too.
saltinado 9y ago
How do you know the ban was instigated by her? I'm just curious, I don't know anything about match.com.
TheDon835 9y ago
This is actually a really good question.
BBB2000 9y ago
Oh it was....I have been nice to all girls. And these reports they email you within 24 hours of the complain I think, so I knew it was her
Also I texted her telling her I had a great time and to do it again just to see if she was interested and of course no response. She left the bed looking shamed and she rationalized it by thinking "I didn't stop escalating when she said no" as to why she was in that position and so I'm sure thats what the complaint was
Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 9y ago
Besides the fact that yea it's a crazy accusation, how do you set up a date at your place without making sure you have a condom? Not shaming you but come on man, this is something very basic. A girl at your place is always a possibility for sex. But its cool, good luck next time.
Masonjarteadrinker2 9y ago
That's true, OP gon' fucked up.
antariusz 9y ago
Exactly what the girl realized.
OMG I thought he was a confident asshole that I was going home with...
instead I got stuck with a beta, he doesn't even have a condom at his house, I bet he wasn't expecting sex, beta's never expect sex, I was about to give sex to a beta shudder I need to shower now.
thegr8b8m8 9y ago
Be careful OP if she will do this type of underhanded move going to the police for a false attempted rape wouldn't be out of the question.
Jigsus 9y ago
You should have at least fingered her.
RPSigmaStigma 9y ago
I agree. You make a girl cum and she'll associate the encounter with good feels. Always make her cum.
BBB2000 9y ago
I was in position to bang when "no condom" happened she immediately setup from her laying down position and started rationalizing.
Xevalous 9y ago
You should have stopped the hamster and fingered her.
CrimsonTideCosby 9y ago
you mean raped her? and then not only is he banned for match but he's going to jail?
I think he did the right thing. Just cut your loses before you do anything else that could be misconstrued as rape, which is pretty much anything now.
RPSigmaStigma 9y ago
He should have fingered/fellated her to orgasm before she had a chance to get up. Then waved his dick in her face for a bj. Win/win.
"Guess we'll have to do it Woodstock style."
Just say something ridiculous like that and proceed to mutual oral satisfaction.
Edit: thinking about it some more, I'm betting the reason she got up and left in an awkward huff is because OP got all awkward about not having a condom. State transference. She'll feel awkward if you feel awkward.
redpillerinnyc 9y ago
You do not fellate a woman. Just FYI.
Edited: Saw this has been mentioned below. Apology for redundancy.
singeblanc 9y ago
Just as an FYI because I see a lot of guys making this mistake:
Fellatio means sucking dick. Cunnilingus is oral sex on a female.
If you could have fellated "her", then being reported on Match is the least of your worries.
RPSigmaStigma 9y ago
You're right, I guess I never actually looked it up.
Edit: so what would the verb form of "cunnilingus" be? "Cunnilinged"? :P
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singeblanc 9y ago
Cunnilingus is actually a noun, so the correct form would be:
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
But I kind of like cunnilinged. I say we verbify it.
the_number_2 9y ago
Cunnilinguiesce? Or linguiesced to shorten it?
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singeblanc 9y ago
Ha! As a side note, "verb" is also a noun ;)
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
Not after I was done suffixing it it wasn't.
southernmost 9y ago
You guys certainly are cunning linguists.
DaThrowaway808 9y ago
You would go down on a girl you met on match.com?
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
Always go down first. It's safer and gives you the chance to inspect.
Less things are passed by oral than by PIV sex. Many diseases are detectable from an off-color discharge, smell or physical manifestation like sores, warts, etc. Get down there and have a good smellsie-looksie. If it's all good, slap on the condom and go. If not, tell her you don't fuck on the first date and leave her be.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Last one, who bought a plane ticket to meet me, inspected my tool before she put it in her. Have another lined up tomorrow, I'm actually amazed I have never caught anything.
I always give it a sniff, doesn't help with most things, but you can tell how well ehe takes care of herself.
RPSigmaStigma 9y ago
If I ever suspected she wasn't hygienic enough to go down on, why would I finger her, or stick my dick in her condom or no, let alone get her nasty snatch juice all over my bed. She'd never make it home with me in the first place. Not all chicks on match.com are nasty ho-bags.
DaThrowaway808 9y ago
HPV, what does it look like?
RPSigmaStigma 9y ago
... about 75% of the population over 16, the vast majority of whom experience zero symptoms and never even knew they had it...?
Edit: Also, you do know you can get HPV from kissing too, right? Maybe you should just become a monk...
TooFastTim 9y ago
Can you get it from titty fucking a broad?
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
Is that all you plan on doing the rest of your life?
DaThrowaway808 9y ago
I apologize, you can look at girls and tell if they have STDs so I was asking you a sincere question so that I could avoid such hook ups in the future.
thereddespair 9y ago
If the story is just as you told it, I guess it is 'inappropriate' that you tried to escalate without making sure you had a condom lol.
Talking about condoms, what is the best condom you guys would recommend?
cheezuzz 9y ago
Latex condoms are the best! I recommend them.
Actually I prefer them in this order.
thereddespair 9y ago
Durex seems to be what he has already. I guess no point in me buying him some. :(
IllimitableMan 9y ago
There's always a way to make it the guys fault. It's an art form. Women have perfected it. It's called spin artistry and blame shifting. When men agree with the women that it was in fact their fault and not hers, we call it hyperagency. Women take responsibility for nothing, and men, for everything. Fuck logic, remember, her agency ends where her responsibilities begin.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
If 'blame shifting' were an Olympic sport women would take every single medal. No men would even be on the team.
thereddespair 9y ago
With all the bullshit that you guys have to deal with when dealing with women, sometimes I wonder why some of you still keep on pursuing them. Is it really worth it, just to get some twat, all the drama and crap like this...
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
I guess that's another perk of being older. At 33, I'm much more discerning about which women I will start putting effort into chasing than I was when I was 23. And in the off chance that my radar deceives me and I get fooled into commingling with a crazy bitch, I leave the situation immediately. I've left girls stranded at concerts and straight up left them at bars once the psycho starts creeping out.
I see this as a completely economical decision. As I grow older, I recognize that my timeframe for happiness on this planet grows shorter. Therefore, I have to be sure that the endeavors I choose to invest my time into will be fruitful and enjoyable. In other words, my time today has more value to me than it did in my Blue Pill days. And I'll be damned if a deficient vagina operator gets to squander it.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
I left one and her friend 50 miles from home when she ditched me and started chasing some kid. That was when I was 16, been that way since. She wanted a ride to another town, I was headed that way and she always promised sex or something to get ride, then expected me to wait outside for her. The long trip was the last time she tried that shit, I bet her parents reamed her ass, being 1985 and a rural community I almost guarantee it.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
That's what I did last May to a chick I brought to a concert. She spent the whole damn time with her face buried in her phone, Facebook chatting with some other dude. I told her I was going to go grab us a couple of beers, then just walked out and drove home. 45 miles from home, that was probably an expensive cab ride.
I literally don't give a shit anymore. Women either contribute to my happiness or they don't, and if they don't, they're gone, instantly.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Same. Got better shit to do than babysit a walking fleshlight.
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
I've never been able to leave one stranded though. I SHOULD have, but I always fulfill the implied side of the bargain I made when I arranged the social contract. If I drove her there, then I'll drive her back. I might punish her like a child in the process, but I'll make sure she gets back safe. She's have to be a raving demon for me to break that.
Same with a bro though. Yeah, you're a drunk fuckwad, but I'm getting your ass back to your place even if I have to punch you out to do it. Once I drop you off though, you are on your own and I'm not coming back to help no matter what your drunk ass does if you don't go to sleep. My contract is fulfilled.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Meh...they're equals to men, right? Because "feminism". They can call a cab just as easy as I have in the past. Hundreds of times.
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
I'm not saying I'm superior in driving her home. It might be my nagging inner beta. But I vet my contract prior to making it, then ensure it is fulfilled unless it is actively thwarted. I mean, if she jumps out of the car, then yeah, I'm leaving her ass. If she makes the evening miserable though? I'm going to leave, tell her I'm leaving, and if she wants a ride then get in my fucking car. But the very fact that I agreed to be transportation means I'm going to complete that task unless she tells me in sober terms that she wants me to back out on our agreement. If she does, then I'm free of my stated obligation. If she doesn't then she's just being a bitch and I'll punish her but complete my obligation to the minimal extent possible.
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
Agreed - its tough for younger people to understand this point of view. I'm a bit older, but those extra years have made me even more of a merciless bastard when it comes to cutting loses and sizing up opportunities.
On the flip side, I dont think you can be told that perspective - it comes from time and experience and having it slowly percolate down into the very fibres of your being.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
I finally understand what my parents meant when they said "you'll understand when you're older".
yummyluckycharms 9y ago
lol - I hear ya. Now if only I could invent a time machine
gmflag 9y ago
That's why I stopped last year. I dumped all my plates and I moved on with my life. Nothing has made me more at peace with myself.
thereddespair 9y ago
I do love the diversity within the group. That you have certain core ideas and use it to follow different paths.
gmflag 9y ago
This is what people outside the red pill don't understand. We are not a movement. We are just a bunch of people in search of the truth. We want to know what are the universalities, the exceptions, etc. What we do with it is our choice.
Rumble_in_the_Jungle 9y ago
For some reason, this is the hardest thing to understand for both critics and new members.
DAD_FISTER 9y ago
Basically the only consistent laws of red pill is lift weights and don't pedestalize women...
Atrocious I know.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
What? We don't rape everything despite being bitter virgins?
when_in_rome_wwjd 9y ago
Fucking misogynist shitlord, your going to hell and die.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
I can't speak for other guys but I don't try very hard to get women. If a chick's interested I'll take it as far as it's enjoyable, when she starts causing me problems (and she will, let's face it, it's a matter of WHEN not IF) I'll put my foot down. If she gets back in line, cool, we can continue to have fun. If not, she can fuckoff. Next.
ReversedGif 9y ago
I think you meant "WHEN not IF."
thereddespair 9y ago
I guess you are right, there are people like you who don't really give as much effort anymore if at all and still get it.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
When chicks sense you don't care, they're drawn to you. They'll do anything to get noticed. You have to legitimately not give a fuck though, they can sense when you care but are pretending not to. There must be no fucks emanating from your soul whatsoever. We know how bad women are.
Ever feel eyes on you, look up, and see a chick acting like she wasn't looking, but then looks at you a second time really quickly? You noticed her because she looked, but she acts like you looked first and that SHE CAUGHT YOU.
All this happens in about 0.5-1 second. Now she's got that smug fucking look on her face like you're checking her out (when you weren't - she just caught you in a "stare trap") and now she's all gassed up and feeling validated off a mere glance. Bunch of fucking narcissists, young girls walking down the street are the worst with that shit. "Becky lets hit up Starbucks! Omg that guy was totally checking me out!!" They stare at you, catch you looking in response, then act like you were checking them out to begin with. It's even fucking more annoying when it's some ugly bitch pulling that shit, you wouldn't check her out - that's why she's running these games. Eye-fucking, that's fun, it's mutual, I like that, but the ole' stare trap? Annoying ass shit. As a wise female philosopher once said: "Ain't nobody got time for that!"
vengefully_yours 9y ago
Wise philosopher that wanted a cold pop but ran. That made me laugh rather heartily. Thanks for that.
Whisper 9y ago
The trick to dealing with the stare trap is to treat it like any other shit test. Agree and amplify.
One lesson that took a long time for me to absorb, even after my "red pill awakening" was don't look away if someone "catches" you looking at them.
Yes, prolonged eye with strangers is "awkward", but confident people don't care about that. Awkwardness is something that embarrasses the other person, not them.
You don't have to make everything a staring contest, but don't look away right away. That shows you up as uncomfortable with others knowing you are looking at them. You aren't. The trick is to leave them wondering whether you thought they were attractive, thought they looked ridiculous, or were looking at something behind them.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
They are feeling awkward, I am not. I will look at anyone or anything I please, as long as I want.
unknowncitzen 9y ago
I do this all the time while walking around, I simply lock eyes and smile until they freek out and they look away. I see it as challenging my masculinity, I am always up for the challenge..
vengefully_yours 9y ago
The only times I look away are when I want to set someone at ease, or when I am recalling shit from my past that is difficult to think about. In long conversation I will watch everything else, it's called hypervigilance, and stopping it has negative effects. In public, I look at them as long as I want, and I will usually catch over her shoulder glances back at me. It's fun to watch.
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
I do this too. ALL the time. I have made it a habit to never look away first.
I started years ago, because I noticed that prolonged eye contact was unreasonably difficult for me. It was like I HAD to look away. I thought "fuck that". Something so simple should not be difficult, so I faced my demons and started making eye contact whenever and where ever I was.
When I first started, most girls would look away first after a painful second or so for me. A few called me out though, telling their boyfriends, girlfriends, or one even yelling at me in the street. And really, I'm not talking death stare from across the bar here, I'm just talking about making eye contact as you pass each other on the street or in a mall. After being chastised I almost ended the experiment, but I kept going.
Strangely though, as my mental terror eased, so did the chastising. It was like they could sense my terror. Now, years later, it's second nature. I can walk down the street and I hold eye contact with everyone (unless there are two simultaneously, then I have to choose). I haven't been called out in years. I can tell which women are not interested (they break eye contact and never return), which are low esteem (they break, preen, look again, break...) and I savor the few that eye fuck the whole way, smile, pass, and then make eye contact again as I'm looking be hind me checking out their ass.
I also am WAY more powerful in man-on-man situations. I can read a guy's confidence like nobody's business now.
Eye contact is huge and everyone who reads TRP should be improving it IMNSHO.
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thereddespair 9y ago
I guess once the woman does detect that you are into her, she switches into make-his-life-difficult mode. From what I have observed it seems to be true. I can at least admit to that the smug face, even if its just internally, it's true...
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Yep. Truer shit never said. I remember one time this chick was giving me shit, we'd already made out prior but for whatever reason she thought it'd be smart to start whining and getting argumentative. I said "it's fine, ok, I'm going to hit the clubs." 3 minutes later we're upstairs. Clockwork.
thereddespair 9y ago
I think that is them trying to shift the control balance, then try to mask it when they failed by being all good to you again.
It's actually kinda funny how women are always perceived as being submissive when it's not really accurate as they do try to wrestle it from you whenever they can. But then hate you for it, if they're able to step on you lol.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
Yeah. Women thrive on emotional conflict. They rather have a fight than be bored. The drama addiction runs deep.
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vengefully_yours 9y ago
I like the ones that don't break.
thereddespair 9y ago
I checked. I ran into this okamoto condom too that says its ultra thin. I kinda feel like getting him some as a gift, he likes using it sometimes.
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Danedina 9y ago
I think you're being accused of pulling a Bobby Peru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtn7e05C8M
bustanutmeow 9y ago
An we get a quick debrief for those on mobiles. Thanks
BetaMaleFeminist 9y ago
Option 1: you wined her. Now 69 her. Option 2: "put your clothes back on, dirty girl (sly grin) we're going to the store for some chocolate (also pick up a box of condoms. This can be an incredibly fun 20 minutes of foreplay if you maintain frame and blast her with confident game, she'll be dripping wet when you get home).
ElKod 9y ago
YES TO THIS. If you are like "Oh, what will we do now?" she's gonna start realizing she just came home with a random dude on the first date..
Keep frame as long as you can. Women salivate over "men men" that make decisions, share them and give you the option to come along or go home. Women are consistently testing if you are a little boy who needs those choices made for you.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
Sounds like a lot of effort for a Match.com slore
BetaMaleFeminist 9y ago
Yeah, instead of working on his frame, seduction and dark triad traits for an extra 20 minutes he could just kick back and watch South Park alone for the evening.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
My alternative would be hitting the bar with a bud or something...
doithowitgo 9y ago
From a man's perspective, you are pathetic. From a woman's perspective, you are dangerous. This is inappropriate conduct and you should be banned from any network in which people are seeking consensual sex.
SpongeCroft 9y ago
buy condoms... especially if you know your plate longer, don't underestimate the crazy, bring your own ones!!!!
Doomsday_ 9y ago
Not necessary to verbalize this. In fact, it's probably a bad idea since it implies that you're going to push for sex and thus might set up her ASD. Would have been fine just to back off (without saying anything) and then try again a bit later. Using words also engages the logical part of her brain which is the last thing you want to do at this point.
You're an idiot. Always have logistics on lock ahead of time. You fucked up big time here. Making sure you have easy access to condoms is one of the easiest things you can do. Sorry to say it, but you deserved to loose the bang for goofing on a simple thing like this.
Another mistake. By backing off at this point, you played into her frame. Your options: keep fingering her (you were fingering her, right?) to get her horny, go for the bang without the condom (if you're willing to risk it, & obv don't force her) and pull out. Or, keep making out and fingering and get her to give you a handjob/blowjob.
Backing off here also allowed her logic and ASD to kick in.
This could easily come off as needy/thirsty.
Women don't get off on your respecting them. Also, by saying this you force her to take on agency and responsibility for what happens. She doesn't want to take responsibility because it makes her feel like a slut. She wants it to "just happen." The better attitude to adopt is that you're just going to go for it but if she stops you you're completely fine/unperturbed. You don't need to verbalize this attitude.
BBB2000 9y ago
Did not finger her. I was rubbing her vagina with her pants on and once I got the pants off immediately she asks if I have a condom as that is the point in which sex was imminent.......so I didn't even get around to fingering her. When I say no condom she immediately sits up and logic kicks in. So it would be awkward to insert my hands in her vagina at that point.
Doomsday_ 9y ago
A few points:
1) Normally, you should already have been fingering her before you even try taking her pants off. If you haven't been, you keep kissing her/making out with immediately after removing her pants so she doesn't think about it too much.
2) Another option, when she asked if you had a condom, was to pull back by disqualifying from sex. E.g., "Not so fast, missy!" or "Rather presumptuous, aren't you?" Such disqualifications are an effective way to deactivate her ASD.
3) Another option, after she asked if you had a condom, was to kiss her while fingering her or to go down on her. Basically just ignore and continue to escalate until she's horny enough to give you a blowjob or fuck without one.
oldredder 9y ago
A fast eject like that is bullshit. I try to do my best to read ahead of time if I think a girl is going to play LMR games and I'm out before we even get there. I hate LMR. I get there's games to play to overcome it but it forebodes bad times regardless.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
I swear why don't you guys come prepared. You go on a date and don't bring a condom? Wake the fuck up Junior, class has ended.
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fordmarkII 9y ago
A town meeting for ASD, BYO hamster? I think so.
NO GUINEA PIGS.
rpscrote 9y ago
Have the condom and execute the lay. Don't go there unless you can close all the way. They get weird and defensive and pull shit like you're seeing otherwise
Baylien2 9y ago
Shoulda ate the pussy. Swallow your pride nigga
JerfFoo 9y ago
I've never had an online-dating encounter that didn't go so well and instantly blamed the other person. My first thought is always, "what could I have done differently?"
OP, I would assume you have terrible filtering skills. You shouldn't be trying to have casual encounters with every person who messages you back from Match.com. If you're trying that, you're gonna run into this situation again and again.
She was obviously OK with kissing, but why did you try to fuck her a second time after she said no the first? If you want casual encounters, you don't sound capable of making sexually-awkward people comfortable. You should avoid them, and you should probably stick to meeting up with people who explicitly want the same thing. Did you even talk with her about sex before getting wine in her? Believe it or not, someone talking to you("about tons of different topics") isn't an invitation to bang them.
Does your profile even signify your interest in hook ups? Or do you conveniently leave that out? Did her profile signify she was explicitly interested in meeting up with LTR/monogamous-minded people? Or did you conveniently ignore that?
You left out a lot of details about the encounter(pretty much all of them) and without them you sound like a creep.
OP, also, did you consider she felt rejected by you? She might have taken you "not being able to find a condom" as an excuse. Or more likely, she got the impression you "forgetting to have a condon" was a pathetic attempt at raw-dogging her against her wishes.
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BBB2000 9y ago
Well this is what I'm trying to figure out......sex topics kissing occured before I even suggested a bounce to "my house"..........surely she had some thought what going to my house would entail. also people on match don't put down casual encounters. She had on her profile date to have fun and if something good comes maybe I can find someone for more.
JerfFoo 9y ago
I read your update. More details is good.
It's a bummer she wasn't comfortable talking to you afterwards. For me, being able to debrief after a first-time sexual encounter is a great tool, and often makes us both more comfortable and more open with each other. And you learn about how people perceive you!
Did you only want her for sex? That's totally fine if you did, but were you up front about that with her? Or were you up front about whatever style you have for getting to know people? Also, did you just talk about sex, or did you talk about the possibility of sexual encounters happening on the first date/first few dates with her? Myself, I usually bring it up. I'm very sexual and very up front about wanting to hook up. If someone is textually/verbally turned off from talking about possible sex happen, then perfect. That's a person I don't want to be talking to at all.
So you went for fucking, was turned down. Went for fucking again, found you had no condom and she said no. You went for fucking AGAIN by offering raw-dog. Uhhhhhhh.
You didn't respect her decisions. You actually shouldn't be re-escalating within minutes if she told you no/turned you down beforehand. If she likes you, is comfortable with you, being turned down should be no big deal. If she's into you, you'll hang out again and escalate more. If she's not interested, and that's the last you see of her, oh well. Encounters going south should be no big deal either. And that's something I'm ALSO constantly verbal about.
”If you're not what I'm into(hooking up/FWB), no big deal. I wont take offense, we're just looking for different things then.”
If you're no stranger to internet dating, flaky people and people losing interest for the most random reasons should be common-place for you. Unless you're catering to every random stranger's interest, which would be weird.
Any who, that went off-track. I think what happened is she was 100% uncomfortable with you. You made her feel unsafe and pressured to do things you wanted to do she wasn't into. Sure, maybe if you did things differently(Like actually respecting her not being interested), you could have gone all the way. But it didn't, and she wasn't into it. I don't know why you thought you could change her mind. It makes me very suspicious how successful all your past hook-ups have actually been.
I've never had to re-escalate or pressure someone into having sex. No, of course you didn't rape her. But if you can't helping yourself from having to pressure people into sex, encounters like this one will probably happen again.
jmg83 9y ago
This has happened to me twice. Both times, the girl came to me, not the other way around. The first girl lied, ten minutes after she suggested going back to her place, saying she was on her period (what the fuck are you doing looking for cock while you're bleeding then?), The second called it off because she outright didn't wan't me "to think she's a slut". That ruins the whole fucking night.
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brotherjustincrowe 9y ago
Ha, yeah this is what more FRs should be like. Hamstering and the anti-slut defense. Could've still closed or at least gotten a BJ, but I'm guessing the "wanting a condom" part was a shit test.
Eh, try try again.
Lyrad1002 9y ago
Fuck it, take the nuclear option and report her for inappropriate conduct!
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Blue balls is a serious offense, young lady
zenkibudo 9y ago
match.com has rules on inappropriate conduct. Wonder what they are. I also wonder what you were accused of, and if you can even find out such specifics.
Looking back, the strictness of military life was rough. But, there were things they did right. When accused - you have the right to know:
...and more. This is missing from civilian life in so many areas. Civilian blue pill life is all shaming and innuendo "You know what you did, mister! And you know who you did it to. Don't get smart with me!"
Not healthy, that.
libertypole 9y ago
you should not have vocalized this. super nerdy. i think she was just not totally into you or a prude. don't take it too personal.
sterlinghtsmi 9y ago
She wanted to get pregnant and u didn't follow through...that's the problem!! U dodge a bullet.
craftmaticrabbit 9y ago
Makeshift condom with seran wrap!
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
You completely fucked up by not fucking her brains out, condom be damned. There she is with her pants off and you didn't ravage her like the little easy slut that she is. Most women will stop you the first time, it's how they rationalize to themselves that they aren't "easy".
But when you didn't lay the pipe the second time over something stupid like the lack of a condom, she believed herself to be "tricked" by a Beta into thinking he was an Alpha. This made her feel disgusted with herself, and the easiest way to make sure she never runs into your Beta ass again is to hide behind the skirts of the Admins at Match.com.
edit: Looks like you butt-hurt pussies don't know anything about the concept of "pulling out". Fuck what your health teacher taught you, it works. I'm all for rubbers. But I'm not letting the absence of a .60 piece of latex stop me from closing the deal. Sorry, you bunch of ladies. If it makes your feeeelz feel better, report my post.
birdiefellows 9y ago
Each drop of pre-ejaculate contains between 20 and 40,000 sperm cells. It only takes one, man. 18 years of child support is a big risk to be taking.
Burner1701 9y ago
Unprotected sex with a girl he'd known for a couple of hours.....then a couple of decades of child support. Smart.
smokingmonkey420 9y ago
Except, there could be other consequences far worse than a slap on the wrist for not following through. It's pretty short-sighted to say OP screwed up with this one.
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smokingmonkey420 9y ago
It's known but it's not like it's 100% effective, bro. No need to report. Hopefully, you're dumbass finds out the hard way when you knock up one of these "easy little sluts" because you didn't let .60 in piece of rubber stop you.
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BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
Pregnancy isn't the only consequence of rawdogging a chick you just picked up off the street, dude. It might be the worst, but there's other issues with that.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
Problem for me is, at 33, I can't cum with condoms anymore. Maybe my problem is unique. Oh well, fuck me.
tallwheel 9y ago
At 34, sometimes I can hardly get the damn thing on. I go flaccid as soon as the rubber goes on. Probably a psychological reaction I guess.
BiggestDickInTheRoom 9y ago
At 41, I feel ya. But still...