I've noticed some guys on here can get laid a decent amount but often have a hard time finding quality women. This post is simply a list of my personal requirements that I have used in the past to avoid toxic women and find someone that's worth keeping for an extended period of time.
To clarify, I am not saying that you try to force a woman to do these things. I am saying the woman you pick should meet these criteria without intervention from you. Without further ado, here is a list of 10 things to look for:
• She's not huge on social media: She should have under 1,000 followers on Instagram, under 1,000 friends on Facebook, and not have a Snapchat score that indicates that she might be a Snapchat slut.
• She's not protective of her phone: She shouldn't be worried about your eyes looking at her screen. She shouldn't be hiding her phone password from you. She should be comfortable doing things like having you use her phone to navigate somewhere. These things indicate that's she not worried about a text/snap from Chad popping up on her screen.
• She has a good relationship with her family: Ideally, if both her parents are alive, they should still be together and she should have a strong relationship with both of them. She should also have a solid relationship with her siblings, cousins and extended family.
• Friends: She should be able to get along with a variety of people from different backgrounds but keep only a few select close friends. Even then, her loyalty for you must be stronger than her loyalty to her friends.
• Nights out: Again, the less of this the better, no more than once a month, if that.
• Money: She should be offering to split the bill and actually follow through on a somewhat regular basis. Gift giving is reciprocated.
• Sex: It should be pretty good but with plenty of room for improvement and exploration in the future. If she's wilder than you, it should be a no go.
• Low maintenance: Generally speaking, she pays for her own clothes, her rent etc. She doesn't spend a fortune on clothes, hair, accessories etc.
• Intelligence/personality/politics: She should be pretty flexible with trying new things and evaluating new ideas. She shouldn't be stubborn or prideful and willing to apologize when it is appropriate. In this day and age, the more right wing she is the better but centrist or mildly liberal will also do.
• Habits: She shouldn't have shitty ones like smoking or excessive drinking. She should have good habits like exercising and reading for pleasure.
Feel free to evaluate these criteria in the comments and to bring up important ones that you think I missed.
ChiTownBob 5y ago
I would add the following:
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playingpoodles 5y ago
"• Money: She should be offering to split the bill and actually follow through on a somewhat regular basis. Gift giving is reciprocated."
You think you're RedPill and you're paying someone to be your girlfriend?
All you guys here who think your RedPill are such castrated Western jokes, I mean it, you're totally being framed by feminism and you chat here thinking you're readpill. Grotesque.
Wake the hell up gents. And get real, 1. Are her parents together and get along, tick, 2. How men many men has she had sex with, none/one mistake tick, 3. Is she mentally ill, no, tick. I'd personally pick a sane virgin from a single mother over a sane laid one or two guys already girl from a happily married couple.
Your suggestions are retarded, and kinda show how incredibly poor the pickings are for Western men these days.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
At around 200 upvotes, I'd say the red pill community disagrees with you. I'm going to be real with you, you sound bitter as fuck and I can't take you seriously because of it.
In the meantime, I'll give you this piece of advice: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7VrpHbM
ALFOND 5y ago
absolutely agree 100% with all your vetting points. they are common sense and I met girls like that
Churningaway 5y ago
Add the thousand cock stare on here. That shit is real. You can tell when she just got off the carousel
NextBad 5y ago
The problem with this list is it's unrealistic , makes no sense, and sounds blue pill, Connecting with people on a emotional level is what makes a good LTR, and if her "flaws" match your "flaws" she will just get you. I generally gauge for how much she is into me.
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I also prefer a drug user, weed, molly, a line here and there, girl who do this just get me
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> She's not huge on social media: She should have under 1,000 followers on Instagram, under 1,000 friends on Facebook, and not have a Snapchat score that indicates that she might be a Snapchat slut.
I was really proud of my wife when she got a 1,000 follows, she put a lot of work into it and used it to help her business , but once again we stereotype people and try to read based on social trends , back in the 1940's if you listen to rock music you were low class, or poor character.
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> Money: She should be offering to split the bill and actually follow through on a somewhat regular basis. Gift giving is reciprocated.
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After I sleep with a woman I take her out to dinner, because I like going out, however my wife took me out and paid for everything, if she wanted romance she would use her own money (A keeper), we generally have a do what you want relationship
exit_sandman 5y ago
The idea that excessive social media use is a red flag generally refers to, well, social use of social media and not for economic purposes. An influencer who monetizes her following is an entirely different animal from an attention and validation whore.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Of course there's exceptions to every rule. And if she's using IG for business that's completely different than using IG for validation, which is what I was implying.
Splitting the bill and taking turns are the same thing.
red_philosopher 5y ago
It's still validation, however you want to split it.
red_philosopher 5y ago
If her "flaws" match your "flaws" she will just "get" you. However, that doesn't mean shit. I met a girl who was hot, young, and "understood" me, and things were going really really swell. Then, she sacrificed it all on the altar of feels for another dude, and got a hard next.
AWALT
NextBad 5y ago
Still have to be attractive, AWALT, if a meet a fat girl, who likes video games, and all my hobbies, is fun to be with, she is still fat you know
Gr0o0vy 5y ago
Physically she was exactly my type (thus the approach). Positive surprise - witty, highly educated, we shared plenty in common.
2 hours later we were in my bed, 2 days later she was back for more.As she was all snuggled in my arms after an all-nighter, we were talking about our past, differences in our upbringing and cultural stuff (our nations used to be at war in the recent past.) At one point I use the momentum and drop the bomb"Looking back, what are the things you would have changed?"
She let out a sigh and said "well, I`ve made mistakes..." There was a certain sadness in that voice.
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It was in that very moment that I knew for sure, she is a plate material at the best.
I think that event made me officially enter the Sadness Phase. As the legendary post said "I want to save her but I can't and it is not my job. It is not even possible. There are thousands, millions of other girls out there, exactly the same. Broken and lost and sad and longing for a real guy to love them. "
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Thisismybot8 5y ago
Yeah her past is critical but like someone else mentioned, not all of them will be honest. You got lucky, no question about it. For the most part though, you'll have to do your due diligence so you know what you're dealing with. It's the subtle things like attitude, how she talks about men, how often she complaints about shit that give away a toxic personality and potentially a high n count.
The reason I brought up sex in the original post is because it's a critical indicator of how much experience she has. You'll quickly find out if she's already into anal, bondage, and extreme fetishes. The more of these, the higher the n count.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Unless you're dealing with a psychopath or BPD chick or some other notorious liar, it should generally be doable to goad her into exposing her secrets. If she buys that you're non-judgmental, possibly even a white knight who sincerely wants to make her "whole" again, that you feel bad for her and don't think she's broken or damaged for that - then I would be highly surprised if she didn't come clean.
smirk_addict 5y ago
Exactly. This is underrated advice and true to the T. If you are not judgemental and easy going, girls will gleefully tell you their secrets. I got coffee with a very professional and educated woman. I gave off this vibe, and within 40 minutes of our convo she was telling me about her bisexual swinger parties she attends twice a month. I also had a couple of dates with a BP chick. Would divulge everything BUT her sex life. She was in therapy for I think the 5th time according to her. She wouldn’t let me kiss her or even touch her really. But she had the thousand cock stare, meaningless pop culture tattoos and had lived extensively in other countries “finding herself.” It didn’t last long. Maybe 3 weeks. She would’ve been a perfect FB. But she was slow rolling me into a boyfriend. I think because she had a drinking problem and i was someone who seemed stable(chump).
exit_sandman 5y ago
In that case, you don't need additional intel about her sex life to know that she isn't relationship material.
smirk_addict 5y ago
True. But I found it fascinating she’d tell me those things and not the other. Girls like that are self sabotaging when it comes to relationships. Maybe she’d rather me be “afraid” of her rather than “disgusted”. Women and their stupid ass insecurities...
exit_sandman 5y ago
Well, maybe she didn't think that trying to omit this would serve her well - after all, it's hard to keep a fullblown psychological disorder under wraps. Or she identifies with her BPD condition and therefore owns it, but doesn't identify as a slut and therefore wants to distance herself from that as much as possible.
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AllahHatesFags 5y ago
A few other ones I would add:
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exit_sandman 5y ago
Yup. My most recent GF seemed to be pretty normal and reasonable overall and checked most of the bullet points except the sex thing (okay, and the politics thing, but I can't expect women to be like Lauren Southern in that regard).
Well, it turned out her unwillingness to have an active sex life (I gave her a decent amount of leeway initially, but after a few months it was clear that she wasn't willing to have more than rare instances of vanilla sex, so I broke it off) was due to her having been pretty promiscuous and having had sex for validation and also in order to secure relationships in the past; and this has done a number on her to such an extent that she conflated the meaningfulness of a relationship with the guy's willingness to be with her for her sake and not because of the sex (or, as she put it, "it's nice if it isn't just about that", which I could empathize with to some extent... if our sex life hadn't been extremely lackluster in the first place). At least that's what she told me, it's also entirely possible that she simply wasn't really into me (though my money is on the whole thing being a mix of both).
But the actual sad part is that she seemed to legitimately assume that telling me she was the proverbial "slut who turned into a prude" would sway me in her favor. When I asked her what I was supposed to think about her gleefully sleeping around with randoms and then putting me - the guy she ostensibly really wanted - on a sex diet, she couldn't really come up with an answer.
Well, let's just say that I'm glad that I experienced how it feels if a woman is really into you - so much that she does all kinds of kinky shit with you and is loving every minute of it - so I could tell the difference between that genuine excitement and, well, her. Because I know that my past BP self would have accepted that treatment because I thought women not really wanting sex and me being obligated to be the white knight who "fixes" her was somehow normal and reasonable.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Of all the bizarre and insane ideas that modern society expects men to swallow, this might be the craziest.
ImmunosuppressedTau 5y ago
Nice post! Went through a similar situation myself. Ex broke up with me because I was BP. Sex with her was pure vanilla.
I spent a year going through self improvement - social skills, more friends, more hobbies, fitter etc. I’ve had some crazy real sex with girls that I met.
She then comes around looking to get back with me. Says she’s more attracted to me now than ever before. She’s put on weight and has aged 5 years in the space of 1. What boggles me is that she thinks that she has declined and still thinks she deserves me. Woman logic I guess!
Luckyluke23 5y ago
you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. once a hoe always a hoe man. if she ain't being a how with you... something is wrong.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Ding ding ding exactly this.
Though I have to say that I wouldn't have tolerated our frugal sex life even if she had been the purest of virgins - I mean, I didn't expect we do it like rabbits, we both aren't 20 anymore, but I certainly expected a lot more excitement and passion in the beginning of a relationship, and if it already starts out that lackluster, this doesn't bode well for any future.
However, the difference in her case is that I certainly had fewer regrets than I might have had otherwise - I still felt really sorry for her, but a lot less sorry over the fact that this relationship was about to end (because now I definitely knew that I never should have begun it in the first place). It was an odd situation after she disclosed these details - when we sat in that room, being silent at each other, and the only thing I could think was "holy fuck could it get even more textbook AFBB?" (she had already hinted at it before, so it didn't come completely out of nowhere, but still)
X-Trem0 5y ago
Very very good point. But, how?
Planner_Hammish 5y ago
Talking to her friends or her friends' boyfriend. Looking at old FB photos. Trickle truth when she's drunk.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
All solid indicators. Also, how experienced she is in bed is a huge sign.
taxichaffis 5y ago
"Do it too good when she ride that dick - man i wouldnt trust that bitch" Chris Brown is right.
cumfortably_dumb 5y ago
Very good points. Relationship with friends and family is the biggest marker to me.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Great stuff and true in my experiences. Be careful for girls that say one thing and do another. I have met several that say they are "ready to settle" and are "nerdy" but literally club 5x a month until 4am.
The night out thing I partially disagree with. Going out to get drinks with friends at a brewery or winery and end by 11 to midnight is a regular weekend activity for mature adults. The raging/blackout/clubbing until 2am shit though is very low quality especially if it happens more than once a month if that
Quality women do exist. NOT unicorns, but quality. Look for the woman at a 9am Saturday yoga class for example and not the bar slut
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Nigga this post eliminates like 90% of women. The rest of the 10% have been married in their early 20s. I am 26 and live in conservative Nashville and all women past 22 are carousel riding Instagram thots. Even the conservative women who worship trump. I think that women are not ltr material past the age of 22. Every one is fucking everyone. This is why STD rates are at an all time high. I realized that I will never marry or take women seriously and I am now perfectly fine with that. Most men on this sub have no idea how easy it is for a women to get laid. Women can easily fuck 10 niggas a year and by age 30 have a body count of 120. I can tell you stories that you wouldn't believe. Red pill men just should spin plates and live life as a bachelor. Even if you are in a ltr then you should be having options in your back pocket and never marry.
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Field_Of_View 5y ago
Tbf I don't think anyone here is astounded by those numbers.
Andgelyo 5y ago
True. My ex plate/fuck buddy said he smashed like 60 something guys lmao she's 30. The older they get the more numbers they rack up. Don't trust these hoes
eye8yourbaby 5y ago
A few years back I had the choice of vetting 2 women on opposite ends of this spectrum, and my dumbass went with the one that was a walking red flag for 2 years. (Knew of RP few years prior to my fuck up, but her daddy issues sex hooked me).
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In hindsight, I am kind of glad I fucked up because it brought me back here and bettering myself, also I am "young" in my late 20s. I was pressured to find "the unicorn" because everyone in my friend/age group are getting married, having kids, moving in together etc... Now I see what will happen in 7-10 years to them. My 2 best friends have no clue about this sub/RP theories but I fear for their future sometimes.
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I recently switched to an amazing career, and seeing both women and men in their 30s divorcing and with kids. Old me stuck in a shit relationship would see this as "normal" but now I see it in a totally different way and AWALT. Made me glad I left her crazy ass before the same happened to me. Because of her, it gave me the drive to switch careers, losing weight, being built, pursuing hobbies and being paid for them and more.
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As for "the one that got away" bs, it might of given me some false hope in knowing there might still be some semi decent women out there. Ya she was a tad older and nearing her wall, but she was "out of my league" which I know does not exist. But for now, I am having fun hooking up with chicks that I couldn't even dream of hooking up with in the past.
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Solid post OP
Warrior_King02 5y ago
Is it possible to come across women like this?
Thisismybot8 5y ago
They're definitely becoming more rare but there are still some of them out there. In my opinion, if you have the option, I recommend meeting a girl in the age group of 20-25, the younger the better. Beyond that, they start to become bitter and tend to not meet these requirements. As I mentioned to someone else, I am currently seeing a woman that meets all of these criteria.
Warrior_King02 5y ago
I feel as if the reason that they are becoming more rare is because of society changing and becoming shit. What's your thought?
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Pretty much. Feminism has ruined a lot of women, there's no question about it.
freew33zy 5y ago
Even more than being bitter there's also the factor that ones who meet these lists end up in relationships and permanently taken. Every year a certain fraction of these girls leaves the market, so the older girls you look at the less will be good.
Warrior_King02 5y ago
True. The chance you do meet a girl like that and she's not taken and then you are in a relationship, there's still a high tendency of her cheating and leaving you isn't there. Put her in the right circumstances and she'll do it? I mean sure they're intelligent but sometimes fighting human instinct is impossible. Not to sound morbid
freew33zy 5y ago
Yeah I'd agree--I think nearly every woman would cheat in the right circumstance tbh. That's why it's important to find one who won't put herself in the wrong circumstance, which is probably more important than how you think a girl would act in certain situations tbh.
theDukesofSwagger 5y ago
She needs to be able to cook.
geo_gan 5y ago
They have “scores” on snapchat?? Shows you how much out of the loop I am.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
They definitely do. If she has Snapchat, it's something to consider.
IntensePancakes 5y ago
Good points. Only one I would disagree with is the politics part. A right wing nut is just as bad as a liberal/SJW/whatever. In "this day and age", any intelligent person will see the pros and cons of both sides.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Any one dogmatic about their beliefs political or religious isn't worth my time. I want someone more malleable and genuinely intellectually curious. Not some right wing retard who believes that way because it's how they were raised or some liberal who relies on buzzfeed for their thought
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Yeah I agree that there are nuts on both sides. I'm from the northeast so I only see the worst of the left. It's a good rule in my area because most women are so heavily left leaning that any inch to the right you can get is a blessing.
smirk_addict 5y ago
I’m from the deep south. I see the worst of the right. But from my dating experience, hard right and hard lift women are both atrocious and worthless.
dev_blockchain_ai 5y ago
Man I don’t know my man. I’ve dated far left and far right. And girls who don’t care.
My current long term is far right for a reason and I wouldn’t touch the other side with a 100 foot poll.
I’m not talking ‘MUH bush and conservative values hur dur’ brainwashed bullshit either.
She’s an ethno nationalist pro white and I wouldn’t have it any other way to be honest (she’s conscious of her race in decline and becoming endangered) and I can’t blame her.. I’m noticing too
smirk_addict 5y ago
Endangered? I think you’re just hamstering your relief that as far as you know, she hasn’t fucked any brown or black guys.
theDukesofSwagger 5y ago
She’s white? She’s automatically racist then
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snowmoose1 5y ago
My Red Flags when scouting for a LTR:
Fatherless
Male “friends”
Lazy (no physical activities)
Social media for validation
High n-count (debatable who you ask)
Attached and takes things too fast in the beginning (usually signs of BPD a.k.a control freak after 3 months. STAY AWAY FROM THOSE PSYCHOS.)
Dirty sex from the beginning, no resistance (cock carousel slut/high n-count)
These are just some additional ones to the ones already mentioned here. These are also my oppinion on potential LTR based on experience. I stay away from a woman with those traits above unless she’s just some side pussy.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This is such a weird one but it is so true. Literally every girl I've met like this just had something wrong with her that you can't really put your finger on.
snowmoose1 5y ago
My ex grew up without a father and well, she had more male.. friends, cough* i mean orbiters/cc’s. They tend to seek validation through sex cause they lack that from their absent father from childhood. Well, never fkn get into something serious with those women.
maljo24 5y ago
"the more right wing the better.."? No.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
As I mentioned to someone else, I live in an area where most women are extreme leftists. Being too extreme to either side isn't a good sign.
RoninUnderground 5y ago
I've been wrestling with this for months. I think I have a pretty quality gf, but she isn't very close to my ideal physically and doesn't stimulate me intellectually. I can substitute the mental aspects with other close friends, but being exclusive... not the former issue. It's hard to shake the feeling that I'm settling, but at the same time it seems not many women meet almost all the OP criteria.
exit_sandman 5y ago
At the end of the day I would seriously gauge which traits you want how much. I once had a friend who had a crush on me (thankfully she was unattractive so I never risked a relationship or anything of that sort) who was pretty close to ideal from an intellectual perspective: smart, nerdy, shared my hobbies and my taste in music, talented etc. However, she also was plain and simply damaged beyond repair, and even gullible BP me could see her brokenness.
If there's anything I learned from that, it was that at the end of the day, mental stability and positivity are ultimately more important than how much you're in sync. Ideally you have both, but if I had to choose, I'd take the former.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
When you say physically, are you talking face or body? Because one of those is a lot easier to change than the other. As far as intellectually stimulating, she doesn't have to be at your level but there shouldn't be a gap of 20 IQ points either. I've been with girls that are exactly on my level intellectually and that got a little annoying because we'd both play mind games trying to outdo the other.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Depends on where you start. If you're, say, three standard deviations above the norm, someone two deviations below you (i.e. 30 points) is already pretty rare. Also, considering how frequently exceptional intelligence and psychological issues go hand in hand, going lower mustn't be the worst course of action.
RoninUnderground 5y ago
Cute face, great ass, some pudge and granny tits (recently discovered she'd like to have them reduced, though I largely try to stay out of that, don't want to be held responsible for body issues down the line). She's smart, and in many ways different than I am which bears its own pros and cons.
red_philosopher 5y ago
Women who are remarkably intelligent tend to be CC riders. Never met a really sharp chick that wasn't.
smirk_addict 5y ago
Have you found that they usually have looks as well as brains? I think women like that are very aware of how easy it is for them to secure a mate, so they have absolutely no reservations about indulging themselves. Almost every female doctor or lawyer I know was a really smart party girl.
red_philosopher 5y ago
The really remarkable ones, top 2%, tend to suffer from a severe lack of motivation to do anything remarkable with their lives. They don't take good care of themselves either, usually, and most have a chip on their shoulder. Top 12% or so usually is the butter zone where you'll find more attractive, productive types, but even then you're still going to run into a lot more mental issues, as intelligence tends to lead to an internalization of rejection, depression, and all the fun disorders there.
I'd say anything from the mean to 1 standard deviation from the mean is the best bet for any sort of decent female. As you go up they just get worse and worse and worse.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Another point is that they become heavily career oriented and wouldn't be good mothers.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
That's a good point. The smartest women I've met (med school, Ivy League) also happened to be the freakiest. At the same time, a lot of the low IQ ones I've met were dirty as hell too.
mojavelover 5y ago
Honestly, it depends on if it's a plate or you're looking for a partner. Good points, if she's under 30 and never married and one is looking for a girlfriend.
I don't agree with the phone point. I get sketched if a girl wants to look at my phone. It shows a level of mistrust and is a huge red flag, for both sexes. It shows a level of insecurity, if a man needs to look at a woman's phone and visa-versa. Neither of you should be checking your phone when you're together, unless it's work related.
A plate doesn't need to meet all these criteria.
Low Maintenance, Intelligence, and have her own money is what does matter.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
To clarify, you guys shouldn't be in each other's phones or even care. She just shouldn't be trying to hide it from you.
SKRedPill 5y ago
My ex never allowed me to even touch her phone, even while asleep. She was a feather light sleeper. Once in her BPD fits she found her phone was missing and attacked me in a rage thinking I had it. On the other hand my phone was to be available to her at all times, failing which I had to deal with a very bad day. The phone I bought for her.
I have no idea what she was hiding. But it is a big red flag alright.
My mum and dad have numerous arguments daily, but there's nothing hidden from each others' phones that they don't share. Only very girly or men only conversations get some privacy - sometimes when you're talking to a close friend you do need personal space. That and men and women's only spaces. That is what I consider normal. Anything else, is a red flag. I do not see what a girl needs to be talking with other men that she can't share with you.
And don't buy into her shaming. If you're not the man at the top of her trust list, someone else is.
Bruchibre 5y ago
I would add in the list:
- low n-count, no former ex-carousel rider.
- no tattoos/piercing she wouldn't be proud of.
- someone you would want to introduce to your parents and who would get along with them
- she has the kind of body type that you like and she will make efforts to keep it
Thisismybot8 5y ago
All good points. Like I mentioned to someone else, the reason I brought up sex in the original post is because it's a critical indicator of how much experience she has. You'll quickly find out if she's already into anal, bondage, and extreme fetishes. The more of these, the higher the n count.
As far as keeping her body in shape in the future, take a closer look at how she perceives food and exercise. When you guys go out, is she the one finishing your plate? When you guys have somewhere to be, does she prefer to walk or take the car if it's somewhere close? These things make a difference.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Look for girls that genuinely love fitness vs naturally skinny girls or girls just being fit for attention.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Tattoos are a HUGE red flag. Especially large ones
Snowaey 5y ago
Ive seen people say that alot on here, could u elaborate?
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Shows poor long term planning. Disregard for appearance and perception of others.
UnleashYourLife 5y ago
This post together with the other suggestions in the comments has eliminated like almost all women.
I would add something controversial to spice up the discussion;
Most of the "good girls" know both green and red flags. The retarded ones are easy to spot since they don't hide their shit, it's the ones that do - and do it well, you have to be careful around.
But how will you be certain without investing time?
KeffirLime 5y ago
You invest as much as it serves you, It's not an audition for a part.
She's around because she's adding value to your life. The longer she adds value the longer she sticks around. If she stops adding value she no longer gets to stick around.
This is why they all go plate-fwb-ltr
You're not searching for a partner that fits these points, you're simply enjoying woman, who then prove themselves valuable because they're not riddled with these issues.
red_philosopher 5y ago
I'd say that each stage is a standard deviation away from each other as well. Plates are a dime a dozen, FWBs are much rarer, and an LTR is basically 1 in 50 to 1 in 100. Still looking for a woman worth LTRing hahahaha. (Not holding my breath)
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UnleashYourLife 5y ago
There are women with red flags that still provide certain value, yet you still cut them out after sometime.
Define a valuable woman to you. What's a woman that adds value to your life?
KeffirLime 5y ago
It's a woman who serves my wants and needs.
No woman will do this perfectly. There will always be a cost benefit being performed. Does the benefit she bring's outweigh the cost of keeping her around, that being time, energy, emotional effort etc.
That's for each individual to decide.
Augans 5y ago
Will you serve her wants and needs?
KeffirLime 5y ago
Generally she's servicing mine because I embody what she wants and needs.
Woman aren't generally going around altruistically expending excessive effort on men that don't satisfy them/they don't desire.
GEN_GOTHMOG 5y ago
Has anyone here actually met a woman who ticks all of the above?
I think if I stuck to this criteria I wouldn't be able to meet women full stop.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
I can confirm that I currently have one that meets all of these criteria. In fact, this post was largely inspired by her. As far as looks go, we're not bad looking people either. So I disagree with the guy that says they'll have to be a 5 or a 6 to meet these criteria. In my opinion though, women that are 9s and 10s may be too much to be LTR material but that's another post.
into_devoid 5y ago
Yep, I got one. She still goes through the monthly hormonal shifts like every woman, but she apologizes profusely the day after and makes up for it 10 fold.
Bruchibre 5y ago
I have. Been with her for 5 years now. Sometimes I feel like being single and playing the field again because I miss the hunt, but I can’t quit her because I feel that I’ll regret it and will never find an equal quality girl.
askmrcia 5y ago
Keep your ass in your ltr. Trust me, you don't want to be back on this battlefield
RoninUnderground 5y ago
Like 9.5 of them, I have some other hangups though.
4thAndLong 5y ago
I currently just started dating a woman who ticks all the above boxes and more. The only negative thing about her is she doesn't cook that much and I do enjoy a woman cooking for me.
AlternativeAward 5y ago
It’s possible to find those, just dont expect better looks than a 5-6
snowmoose1 5y ago
Yeah, a flight to Saudi Arabia and you’ll definitely find someone who will tick all boxes there are. It’s amazing what fear of being stoned to death can do!
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wobbleelbbow 5y ago
stopped reading here. If she has instagram it's a huge redflag. And under 1000 followers is still too fucking much to not be considered an attention whore.
misiepatysie 5y ago
What about Instagram with little to no selfies and just photos of meals she cooked, cakes she baked and other purely hobby related stuff?
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Then it sounds more like a hobby than just mere attention whoring. In my opinion of course.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Feel free to modify these standards the way you see fit. I agree that the less followers the better. The current girl I'm seeing has around 200 or so because she doesn't post attention seeking photos.
NoFaithInThisSub 5y ago
but she has 200 followers from...?
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Family, friends, coworkers etc and inevitably sad betas that follow anyone and everyone. I checked, she has under 200 followers. She posts less than once a month and when she does, it's conservative group pictures or pics of me and her.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
Seems like some good points here. I would also add body count: If she admits to too many past relationships it's a bad sign (what too many is is up to you to decide.)
In addition watch out for women who describe themselves as "a lady" (they never are)
I also tend to like girls who like to read (they're not empty headed; they can entertain themselves instead of requiring constant attention from others) and girls who have a hobby.
Finally, single mothers are useless unless you're a single father in which case you might actually be better as a team. But as a single guy a single mother is a bad choice unless you're desperate to have children and are sterile or something.
chanakya009 5y ago
A single mom will always be ready to throw you under the bus at the drop of a hat because she's done this before.
get-tilted 5y ago
Yeah, for that first point you have to make her comfortable sexually enough to actually get the real body count.
One of my plates was constantly saying she had a lower single digit body count, but as she grew more comfortable with me it turns out it’s in the 30s.
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red_philosopher 5y ago
It's always a bad choice to date single moms, even as a single father. Haven't met a single mom worth shit in the dating world. They seem cool at first, but then their betazation process starts and you sigh inwardly, say AWALT, and dump them.
Every. Single. Time.
old_ex_commie 5y ago
What he said, and I speak from sad experience. Allow me to tell my tale.
I was a single BP dad who married a single mom. I was never allowed to be a father to her kid. He was in serious need of correction, with inflexible rules, to curb his criminal tendencies (mostly petty theft).
Every attempt to enforce the same discipline that I gave MY kids was blocked. He's now a career criminal, always back in the Pen for some new crime, while my own kids are productive citizens.
And as she was blocking me from giving that kid ANY kind of correction, she bitched about how I didn't treat him "equally" with my own!
4thAndLong 5y ago
Another thing to consider with singles moms is that you will at best, be the 3rd most important person in her life. That is not the kind of woman you want in an LTR.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
I dated a couple (decades ago) and quickly realised this too. Yes, they are all the same.
The best you can ever be in #4 in their lives - 1st is them, then their kids, then the kid's father, then you - and many times you aren't even that because their need for a provider causes them to to overstate their attraction to you.
exit_sandman 5y ago
really really really relevant
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red_philosopher 5y ago
Except women get to hold men over a barrel for cash while you rot in a cell for 30 years.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Up until that sentence I was with you. Single mothers aren't attractive to the opposite sex, because most men don't want to deal with another guy's spawn. It's just that plenty of guys conflate "single mom" with "easy/desperate woman", which makes guys in general more willing to hit on them (including losers who are afraid of rejection).
However, a lot of feminists, white knights and single moms themselves praise single mothers and make one sales pitch after another on their behalf. But that's just them bullshitting hapless saps, not an accurate display of their quality.
SKRedPill 5y ago
TL:DR - Go old school conservative.
Congratulations mate, you just eliminated nearly the entire other side of the modern human race!
But you forgot the most important point : NO BPD WOMEN!
Thisismybot8 5y ago
I agree about BPD, but there's plenty of posts about that already. And not dating the mentally ill (BPD, bipolar, schizo etc) seems like a given.
Rakialtj 5y ago
Try it... And there you go for a nice ride in a big carousel!
Garathon 5y ago
Good post. I agree that these girls that fulfill all of these are a very good starting point.
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Yeah it's simply a foundation. People have added other good points to consider.
Schnisi 5y ago
Damn, my ex was a real keeper.
Wolveryn 5y ago
This whole post is based on the assumption that the reader cares for a wife, or a girlfriend or really any kind of women for qualities beyond being fun in bed.
It also implies that you think a vetting process somehow negates AWALT... which I concluded to be false some time ago
Thisismybot8 5y ago
Yes, this specific post is meant to be a guide for red pilled men that want to consider an LTR in the future. Different men use TRP for different reasons.
I'm not trying to negate AWALT either, I'm simply trying to guide men to higher quality women, in terms of LTRs.
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bakamoney 5y ago
These ones though don't fuck around.
(Also applies to you)
What do?
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
How to become gay in 3 simple steps
UnleashYourLife 5y ago
Take a look in the mirror.
Would You, or would you not do him if you could?
theDukesofSwagger 5y ago
“You do you”
“I would do me”
~Archer
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
https://youtu.be/64DsZSrCmok
Pezotecom 5y ago
My ex is all of these things. We broke up because of distance a month ago. It's sad but I know there are a lot of girls like her.
She'll always have an important place in my heart.