Check out the post on the sidebar titled: Why Are We Quarantined? for the backstory and timeline before replying to this post.
/u/redpillschool's response to Reddit Admins at every stage was weak for the following reasons:
- It didn't work. Results over efforts.
- It was emotional. Appeals to emotion are not viable arguments, if you are going to make an appeal
- It played us as men and as TRP as victims as an attempt to gain sympathy from Reddit.
- Admins failed incorporate into their response that reddit doesn't care about TRP's opinion/stance on victimhood
- Fulfilled Reddits admins expectations of TRP as a page that should be quarantined.
TRP Admins demanding an apology was pathetic for the following reasons:
- It didn't work. You chose to continue a failing path rather than adapting.
- TRP Admins attempt to debate via ineffective medium.
- TRP Admins attempt to solve the problem without professional help.
- Tone continues to belittle Reddit Admins whilst continuing to portray men (and TRP by implication) as victims
- Naive assumption that Reddit Admins have any sort of impartiality or sense of fairness
- Naive assumption that Reddit admins didn't chose Michael Kimmel intentionally to aggravate the TRP community.
- Poor PR performance by publicizing such a terrible reply so far.
- Not consulting a legal expert to make a legal argument instead of an emotional one.
The "Frame" /u/redpillschool maintained was weak:
- Failed to understand the opportunity cost of his actions
- Portrayed men as victims
- Was outraged instead of amused mastery
- Failed to understand his opponent's position
- Overestimated his position
- Wasted opportunities
- Portrayed himself and the TRP community poorly (Law #5).
Here is the opportunity cost for TRP:
- Threw away an opportunity for media representation/publicity
- Confirmed the image of woman and self hating losers in regards to outside perceptions of TRP.
- Legal restitution
- Growth of the community
SnowMonkeyCracker 5y ago
Here is an idea - if Reddit is such a toxic platform - let's leave. Why wait for the inevitable? Why complain about discrimination and unethical behaviour while being complicit?
Here's how to do the exit.
Step 1 - Set up an alternative site (already done)
Step 2 - Freeze new posts and allow for transition to the new site - (this will test infrastructure and get any bugs out of the system)
Step 3 - Profit?
WingsInTheSky 5y ago
The problem is mods removed posts and have limited posts
topopox 5y ago
Yeah, no...
If these platforms shut down Alex Jones in one swift, TRP got it cheap.
This sub only got flagged, and these companies show no mercy or any remorse for challenging views.
Check Tim Cook's speech from Apple.
Eventually trp will move to a place where the censorship doesn't happen.
These companies and platforms probably will end up eating themselves eventually, they're already sparking mass controversy because they're targeting relatively medium-high profile people causing ripples in the communities and they'll try to ignore their own violations just to wait for the media storm to pass, but the noise is getting louder and louder now.
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FixYourselfFirst 5y ago
The response was a posturing post. It wasn't a legitimate attempt at getting the quarantine removed. IMO, there was no chance to get Reddit to reverse their decision.
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DeGENZerate 5y ago
The context here is ironically a conservative one. The goal of RPS was to conserve this space as long as possible while he techs out trp.red. This means we play by faggy Reddit rules and grow in the meantime. That will be our only available domain by the time we get banned for realz.
And when forced to act like a conservative it is inevitable you will get fucked like a conservative hence most of your points are valid but not too relevent given the goal.
CainPrice 5y ago
A Reddit quarantine is a subjective issue. It's what Reddit does when you're not technically violating their rules, but your content is still "shocking" and "offensive" to the "average" user. What, exactly, constitutes shocking and offensive content? Who's the average user we're using to make this judgment? Doesn't matter. It is a completely subjective and discretionary decision made by the Reddit administration.
So that means the way to get a quarantine lifted isn't to argue why your content isn't what they've already decided it is. The only way to get a quarantine lifted is to actually change the subreddit and submit to the Reddit administration the changes you've made to the content and how it's moderated.
The Red Pill has no intention of changing its content or its curation practices.
So TRP's response to the quarantine wasn't about trying to get the quarantine removed. It was about making a big, public stink and drawing attention to the issue. There was never any intention for the appeal to be effective at getting the quarantine removed. It was just to get attention.
There is absolutely no legal issue here. Reddit cannot be sued or challenged just because their content censoring practices are arbitrary or disagreeable to the people who are censored. And I don't think anybody was trying to get a favorable media response to The Red Pill, or to grow the community, nor are these goals goal anybody should bother with.
Corporation_Pull-in 5y ago
What legal argument would apply here?
If I run a website and don't want you posting on it anymore, i.e. to stop using my website, what legal recourse do you have?
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Criticises. Offers no alternative. Good shit post.
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nonamenoslogans2 5y ago
It doesn't matter how you guys handle the quarantine. In many ways you guys see women the exact same way woman's right's activists do. It's just you guys revealing the same information to men is sexist. While when women act like the normal way they do, it is empowering in other venues.
BloodSurgery 5y ago
Are you agreeing with TRP sub or what? Sorry, not from the USA, so don't know about women's right activists lol
nonamenoslogans2 5y ago
There are attitudes and ideas TRP has that are very valuable for a man. What I've learned is be strong and confident. How do you do that? By making yourself a person you feel is strong. Then you can look at women and not feel like you are blessed to be in her presence, but a man on her equal level. Not some mewling pig begging for sex.
The problem I have is with the attitude TRP has with treating women as if they are sex hungry pigs who are only wanting money and genes with the whole AWALT and Alpha fucks beta bucks ideology.
It is not that way. I fell in love with my fiance because she's smart and sexy and we laugh all the time. We are not about money or stupid shit like what other people think.
BloodSurgery 5y ago
Yeah, the whole plate things, having a side girl while in a LTR, telling others to never have a LTR/marry (although I can see the why not marrying, divorces are very expensive for the man), and so on are stuff that I disagree with most of the times here.
But concepts like frame, being the best version of yourself,lifting, not showing weaknesses to others but enduring then yourself/with a good friend, all those things keep me here. In the end, TRP is a toolbox that most people use to get laid sadly, specially with the influx on incels coming here lmao. Some people take the whole alpha and beta concepts too far too, as you pointed out.
I can see why we won't be released from the quarantine in a long time lol
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
They are, although "pigs" is your word, not ours.
AWALT is a key fundamental of TRP and it is true.
AF/BB is a key fundamental of TRP and it is true.
There are no unicorns.
sezamus 5y ago
Are you so sure of your fiance? She simply has no better option... for now. Just wait for it. Angry phase in 3...2...1...
nonamenoslogans2 5y ago
I'm not sure if and where I mentioned it in this subreddit but what happens when you grow old? Are you going to be happy in your knowledge that no slut ever took advantage of you? Will you start a family with some whore who you will be disrespecting and laughing at in your old age and telling your daughter if you have one what an inherent slut she is?
Or will you just grow old alone? It's lonely that much time alone. I know. As you grow older most people will be getting families and moving on in their own lives and they won't have time for you, the lone wolf. As you grow older, the people who live your lifestyle will be younger and younger. Hanging around with them will just make you creepier and creepier.
Eventually, inevitability closes in and you realize you have no one who give a shit about you for how wise and cool you think you are.
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2comment 5y ago
I haven't paid attention here for a long time, got other matters on my mind, but it's been fairly obvious from the beginning that TRP's days on reddit are numbered. I've seen the rise and fall of a fair number of controversial reddits and Reddit's own stated principle of Freedom of Speech go to the wayside as it gets popular and becomes more corporate -- just a repeat of every small startup becoming successful ever, Google's "Don't Be Evil" the most famous recent example. Flags and banners are hoisted to attract the ideological talent that works 10x as hard when small and discarded when convenient.
Right now, controversial reddits in general are just a stone around management's neck to sell promoted ads like you see in the main subs and feed. This is basically all the parent company wants. Sell ads and avoid bad press for their clients buying those ads.
The only thing saving TRP is the number of subs but the next metoo controversy or what not, and we can be jettisoned. Hell, it need not be external, the parent company can face some type of gender discrimination lawsuit from inside and decide to do it as a big virtue signal they can parade around. All in all, the Reddit admins probably have limited say and their influence extends to them seeing giants like MySpace and Digg disappear through irrelevance. Our own arguments will have little to do with it, as much as humans want to pretend otherwise, logic doesn't win political debate, logic is form strategy behind the scenes.
If all the FB relevations are anything to go by, users are sheep that will continue to graze where the herd is, even if the field becomes barren. Then a few trendsetters move away, and one of those find a place that eventually clocks in an exodus. But don't count on it, many websites lock in their base, can continue getting shittier by the year (eBay for example) and despite that use their first-mover status to stay put because few dare leave.
Everyone has their memories of golden age of the net, for some it was Usenet of the 80s with it's free though and discussion. Others, it was the opening of www and geocities sites in the 90s, the democratization of the internet to the mainstream. Late 90s and 00s found the new movers shaking up established businesses with smaller entrepreneurs dreaming of being the next big venture. Now is the era of consolidation and centralization -- platforms (Facebook PM, whatsapp, twitter, etc) over Protocols (email, IRC, etc) herding how people communicate and share. Largely due to convenience and network size factor.
In that sense, with the concentration of control, we're entering a dark time for the web and free speech. Reddit and Facebook and Twitter exemplifies the mob mentality and stupidity. Karma points or whatever they're called are worthless prize that rules them.
I forget what Rule of Power it is, but essentially recognize the Zeitgeist of the Times and realize some battles can't be won at that moment. Better to lay dormant than to be the tall blade of grass to be cut. Build forces and alliances and fortifications in the meantime. Reddit was never TRP's permanent home to begin with. Prepare.
TempleOfIron 5y ago
There is no legal argument.
krowitz 5y ago
i think the quarantine will never go away no matter what we do. the fact that we are still quarantined and not totally removed gives them the appearance of doing the imperative's bidding without actually doing anything.
The_BitterTruth 5y ago
No they’re just waiting until they’re in the clear before they delete TRP
Platos_slow_brother 5y ago
Yup. This sort of stuff goes in escalating increments, not straight to "11".
antariusz 5y ago
Infringement of the 2nd Amendment works the same way, as does all other progressive policies. First it was about being openly gay in the military, women in combat positions, currently their battle is allowing transgenders in the military. But that won’t end it.
First it’s acceptance for transgendered, then it’s for acceptance of 10 year old transgendered. Which is where we are currently at.
And if a child can choose to be gay at 10, or choose his/her gender at 10, surely they can consent to choosing who they want to have sex with right?
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KeffirLime 5y ago
What you fail to understand is there is no due process, the appeal is a farce. It's a censorship of anything they don't agree with.
There is no contravention of rules, there is no specific instances of misogny that led to our quarantine, there's just someone who feel's that we don't fall inline with their belief system.
So how do you combat that? Remodel this place enough until someone feels it's appropriate?
Where does their feelings begin or end? There's no blue print. What is enough? Do we have to put a picture of Hillary Clinton as the sub header? Do we have to put a "I love women" post at the top of the sidebar? What is enough for this person to accept us?
Or maybe they just don't like us, don't like what we have to say. And no matter how much we change they know deep deep down that we're those bad Red Pilled men. So then change our entire community and still get shot down?
We could alter this place in the hopes that our reddit overlords approve of it, but then what the hell do we become? who are we then? u/Spez's TRP? Promoting BP fantasies? Become unrecognizable?
No we'd rather fuck off and take THE RED PILL somewhere it can exist. It's the ideas that make it Red Pill, not the name. Change the ideas and it ceases to be what's been built for years, because some cuck liberal felt we should.
Give us a report of exactly what we did wrong and exactly what we need to do to fix it and I might've had faith in the process. We could at least then decide if it's worth doing or not, but could be honest about the process.
But this appeal was not designed for that, it's an attempt at censoring who we are and what we stand for, they designed a game we couldn't win, a kangaroo court. The only option is not playing.
sezamus 5y ago
"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?"
RedForEducation 5y ago
Confirmed. Other accounts have recently been put into the same situation, as have subreddits.
All report the same results. Regardless of the professionalism of the message, adherence to rules, or use of proper channels, no one has received a repeal, let alone even a message, saying that the appeal has been seen, and denied.
It's just radio silence.
Jfc_Manners 5y ago
Sounds like a situation for agree and amplify.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 5y ago
You took that post at face value?
Really?
Wanna play poker?
The_BitterTruth 5y ago
$1000 if you can beat me in a fight
SwoLean 5y ago
Sounds like your little gym experiment didn't humble you enough. 1 year or so into training and now you're a regular UFC fighter? I tell ya what, my friend, I'll take the bet, and I'll come to your gym. Deal? PM me your gym and location.
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bluescreen420 5y ago
What kind of poker is that?!
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JamesSkepp 5y ago
RPS's handling of quarantine was not designed for admins but for public.
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The_BitterTruth 5y ago
BTW you can view the subscriber count along with how many people are online in the legacy mode: 314,235 Subscribers
10,593 Bypassing Quarantine Right Now
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CrazyHorseInvincible 5y ago
In mod discussion, we call this principle "heads on spikes". This this case, /u/The_BitterTruth was even considerate enough to bring his own spike.
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