To make things clear straight away, I am MGTOW. But I wanted to do an experiment. I'm posting this here, because it's more redpill.
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A few years back, I used to use a dating app called "Meetme". On that app, I would get pretty good matches, and actually found two girlfriends through there which I had for several months. Back then, I wanted to joke around, so I made a profile of a woman, and used a woman's picture. And Jesus Christ, I was honestly surprised. The female profile that I had got over 100 matches in only several days. It was a big eye opening moment, and it was my first real "redpill" moment that I experienced myself. On the profile that I had back then, I would get maybe 20 or 30 matches per week if I used the app. I was honestly very surprised at the difference in the amount of attention a male receives and a female receives.
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So fast forwarding to today, I decided to do a similar experiment in a different way. I created a Tinder profile with my own pictures (which weren't the very best, average at least.) I'm not very muscular, and look alright. I made an average bio. After about a month I had 6 matches, and two of the six people still speak to me on and off on other apps like Snapchat. The two people are maybe 5s or 6s, they aren't models, they're just okay girls.
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Then, I created a profile with an attractive male model who was muscular (An obvious Chad). He had a six pack and everything. I added a picture of a dog and a sports car (BMW i8), which I implied was mine. After two weeks, I had a total of 16 matches. Out of the 16, only 6 girls were above a 5. Out of the 6 girls, most did not reply to me, and for those who did, I honestly had no interest in them and did not want to even talk to them.
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With these results, I am honestly astounded that there is almost no difference between an obvious Chad and me on Tinder. If a Chad cannot get lots of girls online, then how is an average person supposed to do so nowadays? I'm also surprised that a Chad can barely get as many matches as I did not being a Chad, on another app a few years ago. It seems like online dating apps have changed dramatically due to some type of social change in the past few years, or monitization, or something else.
plowzedong 5y ago
The butthurtedness seethes from this post.
Improve your life instead of whining.
This post adds nothing of value to this forum, and your low effort life is getting you exactly the results you deserve.
AliBarakat 5y ago
How is it a burthurt post? It's a post that exposes the bad nature of women.
playingpoodles 5y ago
Shut up you whiner - yes it's easier for girls to get guys online than vice-versa. That's 'the way things are', just shut up and go back to your sick MGTOW cave please. Everyone knows this, you have no point. If anyone actually wants help online dating, I'll give you a tinder bot that does the work for you.
AliBarakat 5y ago
I never knew Tinder bots existed, but I want one. lol
bigmodaman20173 5y ago
Well female hypergamy has reached the peak before the fall it seems. If even chads are no longer good enough, we should see the sexual market pop soon.
five-acorn 5y ago
Your experiments are not that robust, and one could argue the "awesome Chad" from a male Redditor perspective is actually not even all that attractive to women. Men worship "muscles" more than women --- who actually even prefer big biceps to 6-pack abs.
I'm sorry, straight men cannot assess male attractiveness unless they are more 'fluid' on the Kinsey scale.
And straight women cannot assess female attractiveness unless they are more fluid. We both use heuristics to see who the opposite sex flocks too, but they are not great. If men intuitively knew what attracted women, why the fuck would they be here for? Exactly.
I can't tell you the number of women who put a pound of makeup on their fat friend and think she's good looking. Or think a slim waist + big tits are enough (right direction, but I can show you some DOGS with big tits and a slim waist). Many women (even hot ones) think it's mostly subjective (I would say somewhat but barely --- who here fantasizes over Susan Boyle? ... gotcha ... who here would fuck Scarlett Johansen? ... that's what I thought).
five-acorn 5y ago
Continued ---
The reality is that these "Apps" or any dating marketplace is a combination of "The Market" and "Your Place in the Market."
Tinder is extremely crowded and filled with massive buffoonery of thirsty men. It used to be a hot app maybe 4-6 years ago. Now, it's pretty much trash. Every geekoid too afraid to leave his house is on there. A woman has to swipe through hundreds of men to even see you, and by then, she's fried.
There are other apps with far less men. It's far easier to get pussy on them. It's like any website, the closer you are to the first page of Google, the most ass you get. Period.
Then, there are some markets where, take the same guy (you) -- go to a different country or social club, and your value can MASSIVELY change between contexts. THIS is the million dollar realization; when you realize that yes, YOU have "some sexual value" as a man, but it can CHANGE between contexts because a LOT of that value is abstract/ illusory/ theater. AND you can improve it massively without getting a "male model face" or "male model body" (though the latter is achievable).
In Russia they love American men, who are rare there. I went there, my Tinder exploded with models, who I enjoyed fucking. With no effort. I could say "I fuck pigs" as an opener and get laid. In Germany I can't even get a date there (well with the Germans I fuck the other Euros). Context matters.
Are there men with so much value that girls are basically shoving each other out of their way to fuck them? With ease? YES, there are. YES, you can get there. It takes work if you're in America and a "generally average" American doofus, which 80% of the guys reading this are (sorry). I'm fairly average myself, but everyone excels in a few key areas. Balls, persistence, effort, and a fucking strategy will take you far.
Having a few "cool" pics on Tinder and being another thirsty chode in America? Yeah you won't get far. If you're only getting a few matches a week, and have to do the "dog and pony show" to get a date (the average Tinder experience) --- something is seriously fucking wrong. Not with you -- it's "average" to have shit results. After going to Russia (and elsewhere) and having 100s and 100s and 100s of matches --- of models --- who were thirsty for me, I realized in America -- yes the app is flooded but -- something is seriously fucking wrong. It's not the tech, it's a market not in my favor. There are better apps here, better locations in the world, and always work on your own sexual value to BLOW other guys out of the water. Because the dating world is 10,000X more fun when you're not a chode begging for scraps. If you're a chode begging for scraps on Tinder, the answer is not CONTINUING TO DO SO.
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AliBarakat 5y ago
That explains why on another app, I would get like 20 matches a week, and on Tinder it's basically 0 after a few weeks of using it. I think it has to do with monitization as well, since Tinder wants you to pay to get to the front page; the other apps I used were mostly free, so maybe they showed me off more. The other app I used also had very few people compared to Tinder, so there was a higher chance of me being seen. It all makes sense. I think you are correct, and I will stop testing Tinder.
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And on the other app, I would get messages from Asian girls from Taiwan or Malaysia or wherever, and I didn't even match with them. They'd literally send a nude as their first message to me, I thought "WTF". I didn't realize how much my 'SMV" would change between countries. I was actually thinking of going to several other countries and seeing how much in demand I will be. It's really interesting to see this, and realize how poorly American women treat men. American girls treat men like trash.
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And I agree, I am continuously trying to improve and better myself. Not so much for women, but for myself. Love yourself first.
helterskelter1988 5y ago
Nothing new here. It's pretty clear online dating isn't worth your time unless you have a very high SMV, in which case you wouldn't even be on Tinder, so there's that.
OLD is a dead end even if you're above average with decent game. It's a time sink. You might pull some here and there but it's simply not worth your time. Go work on yourself and on your social skills IRL.
Halitenina 5y ago
Let your post speak for itself. Who you are and/or how you identify yourself isn't relevant.
AliBarakat 5y ago
It does matter. My perspective is mainly to see what's out there and if I can find interesting or attractive people, who are up to higher standards. Non MGTOW people might look at it from a different point of view.
Vikingcel 5y ago
You were just retarded and made the Chad account an obvious fake
ding-dong-diddly 5y ago
Definitely. I'm average and get like 16 matches in two days after making a new tinder lmao
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GisforJumping 5y ago
I bet it was a stock pic of a bmw and a puppy. From a girl’s perspective simultaneously pulling of “obviously fake” and “trying way too hard”.
AliBarakat 5y ago
The girl account I made wasn't that high effort either and it got a shit ton of matches.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Cuz guys are less picky... duh. Dude go read the sidebar.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Cause even an average chick can get more matches than a Chad...
WinjetRed 5y ago
I agree your account sounds awful. From the description you gave it was obviously trying too hard. Almost like you googled what girls like and proceeded. It needs to be subtle. Stick around here for a while and these dating app experiment posts come around fairly often. The results are always what you and the commenters describe. My take away from them is the old standard " Men are the chosen, women are the choosers ".
monsieurhire2 5y ago
Guys are thinking with their dick, and they are hoping the girl account is for real, even if they suspect otherwise, because... what if it is? My ex that I am still friends with had numerous guys message her asking her if she was really on there to meet someone, because they all doubted that she was because she was so sexy and posted such sexy pictures.
AliBarakat 5y ago
On dating websites, there were several women who thought I was a catfish and asked me to call them on my phone or send them videos of myself with their name and all. It goes both ways I suppose. However, I don't hear about many women thinking with their pussies. But it has to be happening.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
They definitely exist. Also, women get catfished too, in a number of ways. Guys that know the woman is into them will often string the woman along with promises of a respectable partnership like a marriage in exchange for "free" sex. They won't necessarily outright lie to the woman, though many do, but they'll just do a lot of ambiguous things, many of which inflate their value in the eyes of the woman.
AliBarakat 5y ago
That makes sense.
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I suppose a lot of women lie to men with their make up, and a lot of men lie to women with their promises. But it goes both ways. You can't get a girl to stay if you don't fabricate something about yourself to make yourself seem bigger in most cases.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
Eh, they will find out eventually, one way or another. I have a friend who over a period of years, out of an unconscious habit, learned from his family and peers, would always present what he was doing career-wise in an extremely favorable light, and this would attract young beautiful women. The guy was youthful, good-looking, dressed well, would go to elite social venues, and had an impressive job title. The reality was that he was a man-child with no real business accomplishments and no status. So then they would leave after a few months and he would move on to the next one. Some might consider him lucky, but he always claims to want a family and is depressed about his situation.
When women lie to us with make-up and clothes, we KNOW it's a lie. We know that it's really about how we feel about the woman based on what she looks like without make-up, what she will look in the future, how she treats us, how she behaves, etc. So only the extremely foolish and mentally ill among us are fooled by such tricks. I mean, a woman can try to appear more youthful, but you can find out her age in 2 seconds just by examining her closely. Women in their 40s and 50s can appear to be in their mid-30s, and women in their mid-30s can appear to be in their late-20's at best. And this is a vanishingly small percentage of the population that is well taken care of, is genetically superior, has resources, etc. Everyone else is engaged in a pathetic farce.
With male lies, on the other hand, it would be a bit harder to penetrate the veil. A guy can lived under an assumed identity, be engaged in crime, and be living on credit, and plow through a 100+ gold-diggers in a year, impregnate all of them, then leave them holding the bag, at least in theory. More realistically, he might do this to 10+ women in a year alone, spinning 3 plates at a time, and disposing them after a period of a few months, but keeping them on the string long enough to carry his kid to term. This is, if he's actually aiming for that achievement, and to just accomplishing it through neglect.
Also, some genuinely wealthy guys can afford to "keep" women, as in install them in an apartment, give then allowance, buy them trinkets and clothes, and then support any bastard children that they have. They are kept in line with the mere "promise" of marriage. Howard Hughes did this to scores of women, simultaneously, because he was extremely intelligent and extremely wealthy. I'm not sure how many bastard children came of it though.
AliBarakat 5y ago
I think having relationships that last a few months and then end is an accomplishment. It's much better than being married, and LTRs tend to developed into dead bedroom situations I suppose.
I understand now, so it is much more difficult to project yourself as a man, as opposed to women, because men accept that women use makeup and accept it subconsciously. It seems like you must be very talented and have a healthy sum of money to achieve a good disguise as a man.
I think that works if you pay the woman. What do you think about doing this to third world women? So you'd go to an underdeveloped country and have a local girl have and raise your kids. Usually third world countries tend to be more down to Earth and they raise their kids much better than - say in America, we have daycare, feminist public schools that brainwash, and kids on social media 24/7. Other countries are more down to Earth. Granted, your childs culture or religion might not be the same as yours, but you'll have well raised kids.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
You have to ask yourself, why are you even alive, and what is your purpose?
If it's only to try and achieve peak happiness when you are living, you will be forever chasing happiness, which is really just a chemical reaction in your brain, to certain stimuli.
People who enter into marriages because they think it's all about sex or intimacy to avoid loneliness, and having peak experiences together, are setting themselves up for disappointment.
People who endlessly go from partner to partner are also setting themselves up for disappointment.
IMO, there is one thing worth aiming for: teaching your children to be better people than yourself in as many respects as possible, as well as helping them obtain the resources that will allow them to do that in ways that don't destroy their character. This is a tall order, and even worse, there is NO guarantee of success. None whatsoever. Your children may come out completely wrong, and it's hopeless. They may turn into fuck-ups over time. They may be great, but rebel against you and go in different direction. Also, they may predecease you because of Fate.
But at least you had noble aims and you tried to leave a better person behind, which is more than can be said for the people who just chase peak experiences in the form of serial sexual encounters, dining out, travel, etc. Those things are great, but having experienced them (which I think is necessary to put them in their proper place), I can say that they aren't sufficient, at least not for me. But perhaps that's because I haven't experienced having a family yet (or may never).
I think modern society makes it especially hard to properly raise a family, and that is why doing so, is ultimately a very impressive achievement. If you can do a good job at that, then you can think about expanding in a broader sphere of influence. But that's just my two cents.
AliBarakat 5y ago
I'm not chasing happiness, I'm just fulfilling the reproductive role in a way which will not have a negative impact on me.
I think marriage is out of the question in America because there is a 70% divorce rate. It will never work out. It's like playing Russian roulette, with 7 out of 10 chambers having bullets.
The best thing to do would be to have children in a country which has laws that are pro men. That way, you may raise your children.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Women now use tinder just for attention. I can have a few Lays but most women are on there just for validation. I use to get a shit ton of matches but the past few years tinder has turned to a validation app. I can fuck about 1 woman a month which is about 12 a year so that still puts me in the top 20% since most guys get laid a few times a year. But 90% of my matches dont respond or flake the last minute. I get around 25 matches a week. But I workout a lot and am ripped like a mma fighter.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Dude, it's always been like that. I used it from 2014-2015 and then again this year and it didn't seem that different. If you are at about the 20th percentile, 90% of the women will swipe left on you, 75% of the matches will stop responding or ignore you when you try to meet up, and of those that agree to meet 50% will flake before the date. Despite all that I still don't think it's that hard to get laid on there.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Yeah its easily to get laid at least 10 times a year from tinder. Even tho %99.999 will swipe left on me I still can get lucky once or twice a month .
Imperator_Red 5y ago
So you only get one match in 100,000? You must be doing a lot of swiping.
AliBarakat 5y ago
So it is true, Tinder is dead. Are there any better apps with more legit people out there?
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The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Day game lol . But if you workout and dress well you should be able to get laid at least once a month from tinder . I can easily fuck a bitch a week but I have standards. A woman has to be at least an 8. Fucking an ugly bitch is almost like watching porn. Its easy to do and you'll regret it as soon as you bust a nut.
Happyhour5 5y ago
“Fucking an ugly bitch is almost like watching porn. It’s easy to do and you’ll regret it as soon as you bust a nut”
This is beautiful
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Can confirm. Got catfished by a fatty, fucked her anyway.
Whole crew knows and makes fun of me.
Dont ever live with your coworkers. And....dont let fat chicks in the door.
AliBarakat 5y ago
If you think about it, really hot girls can get laid almost every single day with 0 effort. What's even the point. Lol
dbz0x 5y ago
man it’s not even the really hot girls, even average girls can because there’s just too many beta men available who go for anything and anyone. This artificially inflates even average and ugly girls egos. That’s the reality, we can only work with or around it.
AliBarakat 5y ago
The best strategy probably is "pay to win" that way you have more selection of the quality of your escort.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
Yeah I have a single mom on speed dial if I need a quick release. Pay up front and get quality pussy. Esxort is the way to go if you don't feel like dealing with shit test and other crap
AliBarakat 5y ago
So you pay the single mom money?
Are you sure she won't try to trap you with a child if she gets pregnant?
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
I always use condoms and flush em down the toilet. Single moms are only looking for beta bucks anyway . So use them as my escorts. Many of them will go along with it because they know they are alpha widows looking for a provider. Its much safer than using a random website and get robbed lol
AliBarakat 5y ago
Interesting strategy. But I am in my early 20s, I look 19 to 21, and I don't think there are many single moms that are my age or below that this would work with. I think single moms start coming about more when I will be closer to 30 or in my 30s.
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Do you think getting together with foreign girls work as well?
Builtblind 5y ago
Real shit.
Last chick I was dating solid 8 if not 9
Just before we started dating her friend talked her into creating a tinder and she got 100 matches in a week
Before that she had no social media but when talking about how many matches she got you could hear the validation oozing out of her
Shortly after that she created an ig and who knows what else
I know for certain she never actually used the tinder to talk to dudes but she ate up the validation it provided
Moral of the story
Fuck these bitches to sleep Scumbag gang 4 life
etucker546 5y ago
You been watching AMS huh? #FTBTS #SEELZEBALLGANG
German8835 5y ago
A friend of mine is a 6’3 dude with blue eyes, but still has some body fat, nohomo but he looks like a model. Last time I saw his tinder he had 100+ in this bubble, and over 40 opened mathches. His profile pictures are just selfies in his bed or in front of the mirror with his cat. And me sitting here with 20 matches, all flakes.
AliBarakat 5y ago
How old is he and does he live next to a city?
German8835 5y ago
19, and he lives in a rural area near a big city
renfsu 5y ago
Same, I have a friend who's about 6'1, extremely skinny dude who I wouldn't necessarily call handsome, but he made a tinder and got over 80 matches in two days
nemt 5y ago
well is he like extremely good looking? there's your answer.
renfsu 5y ago
I wouldn't say extremely. We look similar, he's just good at gaming chicks. Point is, he was able to while being skinny as shit
AliBarakat 5y ago
I was thinking that if I made a fake girl profile, I would also get about a hundred matches in a week. I will have to test this out.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Dude you don't need to do that. There are countless stories on the internet of people who have shown that girls get more matches on online dating. How is this a surprise to people?
AliBarakat 5y ago
I think it is still a good reminder, and a good eye opener to people. The redundancy makes more people realize that everything that MGTOW and Redpill say is the truth.
hearse223 5y ago
The most valuable thing you can give a woman in 2018 is your attention. Luckily you have absolute 100% control over who you give your attention to.
AliBarakat 5y ago
I did not know that. Enlighten me more on the subject lol
hearse223 5y ago
Im not an expert on quantum mechanics, but I do know a simple saying:
"Energy flows where attention goes"
The fact of the matter is we live in an attention economy, heres a blog by Mark Manson that breaks it down nicely, note that he wrote this in 2014 but most of it could be written last month for how accurate it is.
Ill also link this video if reading is not your thing.
Best way to maintain your value is to ration your attention.
chazthundergut 5y ago
Jesus Christ all that effort just to feel like a bitch? Go sit down to piss you'll save yourself some time and dignity.
Yes, women have it easier on the front end. But I'd choose being a man any day. As a man, you have the potential to increase your value until the day you die. Chicks are given a golden egg and then have to watch it get old and shrivel up as they age.
TheMuslimMGTOW 5y ago
Sitting down to piss is fucking amazing though. Don't shit on the people who sit down to piss.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
I love taking a shit and browsing trp!
AliBarakat 5y ago
Of course, it's good if a man sees first hand what he is up against.
nebder 5y ago
Up against what? All the chicks that can’t find a man in the real? What kind of prize is that.
troutmask96 5y ago
I did a similar experiment a few months ago. I'm a 7/8 and get enough matches to keep me dating more than enough, but I was curious how much better Chad had it than me. So I created a completely new profile with believable six-pack Chad and bio replete with dog pic. After working this profile for about a week, Chad didn't get any more matches than the real me. The only difference I noticed was a slight uptick in the amount of gals wanting an immediate hookup. I buried Chad (and the dog) a week later.
mchilds83 5y ago
Did you actually show the six-pack or was it assumed because you can tell he's built through his clothes?
cufflad 5y ago
If you’re MGTOW why are you wasting your life creating fake tinder profiles?
plowzedong 5y ago
Cuz that's what mgtows do
Instead of actually improving their life, they think of creative ways to justify why their life is such shit.
AliBarakat 5y ago
To see what's out there and how things have changed. I think it's gotten worse, so I'm glad I'm single.
U-94 5y ago
My last hinge date showed me her bumble or something, it had 1600 matches. We did the math and she could have gone on 6 dates every weekend for 3 years or something ridiculous.
AliBarakat 5y ago
Have you ever tried Bumble and is it better than Tinder?
U-94 5y ago
I've got the trinity of Hinge / Bumble / Tinder on my phone. All have worked out, can't really say which is better. I do like that Hinge & Bumble have height prominently displayed so you can avoid big bird looking creatures.
Frich3 5y ago
honestly the tinder and bumble dating apps are shit and def arent what they used to be. ive come to the realization that most are bots or profiles that tinder keeps active even though they probably havent been on in months/years. better luck in the real world bud.
AliBarakat 5y ago
I agree. I don't openly go looking for girls, but there was a girl who approached me, and we had better chemistry and talked more than the average girl you would meet on these apps.
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AliBarakat 5y ago
The picture of the BMW was in a parking lot in the same scenery that is around the area where I live. My state is one of the richest in America, so it wouldn't be surprising that there is a rich person.
kjlh9 5y ago
Tldr: Online dating is shit, go outside and talk to girls
ShotgunTRP 5y ago
Now do an experiment where u pay for a month on your profile
I bet $10000000000 you get double chad matches
AliBarakat 5y ago
I actually was banned on my Tinder. And I bet I would. It's all about the money.
nebder 5y ago
Dating apps value engagement over connecting you with a human. Their goal is to get you to swipe every day. They are working against you. That’s what keeps you coming back every day.
To get into a somewhat even playing field you have to “boost” for real dollars. Now you’ve met the app’s goal of revenue.
You can take the $30/mo tinder gold fee and pay it for real entertainment in a bar tab with social opportunities and have much greater results.
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