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- Hide Preview | 108 Comments | submitted 2 months ago by Psychological_Radish [Post Locked]

edit: It is New York Magazine not *The New Yorker***. My bad. Still a very prominent publication though in the mainstream press.**

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Hypergamy always seeks higher than its own level for both sides of the AF/BB equation. Girls don't want a guy below their SMV for short-term fucks; they want a guy they perceive as at (preferably above) their own numerical HB rating. The same is true for long-term provisioning. Girls almost always want to marry a guy who is of equal or greater social status. Furthermore, that guy is expected to perform for the duration of the relationship.

I recently came across a very interesting article in New York Magazine about women who earn more than their husbands. It seems that many of these men started off more on the Alpha Fucks side, because the women speak about how great the sex was in the beginning. But that changed when the men fell into her Frame as they became more and more dependent on her income and failed to meet their burden of performance. And since hypergamy always seeks better than its own level, the relationship eventually unraveled. It is cautionary tale for those who want LTRs one day.

Sexuality is based on respect and admiration and desire,” says Anna. “If you’ve lost respect for somebody, it’s very hard to have it work. And our relationship initially had been very sexual, at the expense of other things."

“Sex was not a problem for him,” she goes on. “It was a problem for me. When someone seems like a child, it’s not that attractive. In the end, it felt like I had three children.”

Emily, a senior sales executive, admits she enjoys the control she has over Mark, a struggling photographer. But sex has become an issue.

“I can’t give up the position of empress,” she says. “Everything is in my name. When I’ve gotten really bratty, I’ve said, ‘Well fine, leave,’ knowing he can’t leave. I’ve never had such security in a relationship. There’s no risk of flight. But it’s only giving me a short-term gain. Ultimately, it’s emasculating for him.

“Mark,” she adds, “was the best sex I ever had.” But that was long ago. “We fight instead,” she says. “We’re embroiled in some weird combat. It’s like Lysistrata. I tell him, ‘Your business is going to have to get better faster.’ Until then, I’m withholding.”

When Emily comes home, she doesn’t always want to be the boss. But she says her husband no longer has the authority to take over. “I want somebody to take that power role away from me,” she explains. “Ultimately, it gets down to pretty basic stuff. It’s hard to be the power broker every day and then be the femme fatale. I’m not going to pay the bills—I feel like his mother—and then come home and suck his dick.”

However, guys who maintain rock solid Frame and project masculinity can overcome this disadvantage. The dude described below made the mistake of giving up his mission while his wife continued working, but succeeded anyway due to strong Frame. It also helped his masculine credibility that he wasn't some lazy schlub, but a former FBI agent and businessman.

"My husband had a very strong identity and was successful in his life,” Corcoran explains. “Thank God for that. There’s no way I can control him. I wouldn’t stay married to him if I felt I could. I can readily take my business personality into the home. But he forces me to be a partner rather than the boss. It’s what keeps our marriage healthy. He won’t give me an inch of satisfaction. He won’t acknowledge my superiority.”

Women don't want to be your mommy. Planning to be a stay-at-home husband or retiring early to loaf around is rank stupidity and unmanly as hell. Read the full article here.

[-] CainPrice 164 Points 2 months ago

This is a rare situation, but becoming more common in ultra-liberal population centers. Generally New York, California, and Chicago. There are a lot of women there going to law and medical school while dating rebel-against-society hipsters who feel alpha to her at the time while a girl's in school, but whoops, end up working at coffee shops while pretending to run side businesses that never take off. The women hate it.

They withhold sex from their men but can't divorce them because in ultra-liberal shitholes, the guys would actually get lots of money, alimony, primary custody of the kids, and child support. So the women are trapped with loser guys they don't want to fuck.

[-] ElegantCyclist 61 Points 2 months ago

I wouldn't mind being with a woman who made more than me. I'd actually prefer it. Most women don't, though, and almost no attractive women do.

It is true that, as more women go to med school, etc., they are going to make more money than most men. That's probably helping the high-earning female marriage rate decline.

Women want to be with guys who they perceive to be higher status than they are. As women make more money, that becomes harder and harder, as their natural "peers" chase younger, more feminine women.

In short, it's a recipe for shortages: a shortage for high-earning women and a shortage for low-status, low-game men.

I suspect a lot of men won't want to get in the househusband role because that sets up the situation in which she's going to cheat on him. Being with a woman who makes substantially more money than you do, is basically a recipe for cheating.

[-] CainPrice 51 Points 2 months ago

I think we're going to see more of a ultra-feminist approach to modern marriage as the number of professional women and the number of loser men both increase.

The hotwife arrangement is going to become more common. Marriage will be regarded as an ancient patriarchal tool used to enslave women and control their sexuality. Just because you put a ring on it doesn't mean you own her vagina and get to control her sexuality. Marriage between a high-achieving woman and a loser man will often be an open marriage where she fucks whoever she wants, and he's just happy to have a wife.

[-] Truedemocracy4 36 Points 2 months ago

This exactly. She has a dog/husband beta on the side for comfort and then can fuck whoever she wants. You are already seeing this march towards open marriages on the left.

[-] jewishsupremacist88 22 Points 2 months ago

id say the hotwife/cuck thing is alot more common these days than it ever was. marriage is fucked in this country

[-] taxichaffis 20 Points 2 months ago

Don't need marriage to have that sick setup. I see all the time on Tinder and in clubs, women that are "poly" (fancy word for slut with orbiter) or in "open-relationships" (fancy word for slut with orbiter) and before those fancy words you had swingers clubs, which is just the same thing because look at the men who bring their "wives" to swingers clubs. They are fat losers.

More and more I see the deleterious effects of porn on women too, not just guys, where women have watched too much porn and believe the standard sexual menu includes anal, throat, cum in mouth, different BDSM stuff. All of those girls will be open to multiple sexual partners and are unable to derive pleasure from just one man.

[-] heartbroken_nerd 11 Points 2 months ago

More and more I see the deleterious effects of porn on women too, not just guys, where women have watched too much porn and believe the standard sexual menu includes anal, throat, cum in mouth, different BDSM stuff.

Uhm... but it IS the standard sexual menu between a woman and a man to whom a woman is very attracted to, as long as the man is competent and leads the sexual interaction towards that.

It has nothing to do with how many partners the woman will have in life, and everything to do with how much pleasure she will get from having sexual interaction with her [current] partner.

If you think this is outlandish, go fucking lift and improve yourself. You've seen nothing.

[-] taxichaffis 12 Points 2 months ago

That just isn't the case. Just in the last 10 years with massive online porn and cultural phenomenons like 50 shades, it has become commonplace to practice like some utterly filthy shit. This isn't some whiteknight rose-coloured glasses stuff as in "pretty girls dont wanna do nasty" they do for sure. But there is a difference between nasty and degenerate. In the past 1-2 years I have straight up pissed on girls and just 10 years ago that was something degenerate and sick that germans did in porn.

If you can take even a regular dick up your ass at 20 years, something is wrong with you. The decline in mental health of young people certainly plays a role too, none of the girls that need that kind of activity have been genuinely happy girls.

[-] BluepillProfessor 2 Points 2 months ago

If you can take even a regular dick up your ass at 20 years, something is wrong with you.

You go to far, Sir.

[-] askmrcia 6 Points 2 months ago

More and more I see the deleterious effects of porn on women too, not just guys, where women have watched too much porn and believe the standard sexual menu includes anal, throat, cum in mouth, different BDSM stuff. All of those girls will be open to multiple sexual partners and are unable to derive pleasure from just one man.

I think this is something that should be discussed a little more in details. Even shy girls I meet will be into porn shit. I don't know, but alot of girls act just like porn stars and even sound like them too.

They be wanting me to slap their asses, sticking shit up their asses and their dirty talk phrases sound just like something I would see from any popular porn video. And before guys come here saying I'm complaining. I'm not complaining exactly, just pointing out something I've noticed in the past few years.

[-] taxichaffis 5 Points 2 months ago

Exactly, its not like im unhappy about anal. I just would never bump a girl that does advanced butt stuff into the LTR bracket ever, ever. It is a sign of major damage.

Shy girls watch the most porn from my experience. Just a random observation but I believe really hot girls watch a lot of lesbian stuff, but thats just from talking to a lot of drunk 8+ women. Thats also major red flag imo, its not like guys would watch gay porn.

[-] CosmicSpiral 3 Points 2 months ago

That's also a major red flag imo, its not like guys would watch gay porn.

Girls are more fluid in their sexuality based on context and the emotion they want to indulge in; men are more particular and committed in tastes. I don't really see the issue.

The more aberrant stuff you mentioned before is concerning as none of it is necessary to establish imperative dominance. It was considered degenerate in the past for a reason. These days women don't experience submissiveness as standard in intersexual relationships so they overcompensate in the bedroom.

[-] SubstantialTension3 7 Points 2 months ago

Watch I bet 50 bucks in 60 years because of the decline in man income and college graduates people are going to start seeing man being favored in family courts and divorce court. Woman will make a public out cry about divorce court, alimony, and custody. And the world is going to pretend that it's a new thing.( which has been happening to men about 200 years) And they will start doing default 50/50 on custody, alimony will be abolished, and child support will only be charged on actual expense of a child.( because the state knows that a man can live on less money)

[-] RedPill115 1 Point 2 months ago

This isn't a coincidence. Feminism gets huge donations from big corporations, rich people, etc. It pushes their agenda. Communist leaders openly wrote about this.

On their own women will find a man, settle down with him, and he will pay their bills. This is not very profitable. A single "independent" woman who has to work, has to pay her own rent and bills, and desperately tries to fill an emotional void by buying things is more profitable.

[-] SubstantialTension3 2 Points 2 months ago

Also big corporations know that if you introduce women to the work force it increases the corporation bargaining power because the labor pool will be bigger. Thus reducing the cost of labor for corporations. Therefore increasing the cost of living at the same time lowering increase of wage in the labor pool.

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[-] Imperator_Red 7 Points 2 months ago

TRP has more predictive power for the future of society than all the economists and technologists of of world combined.

[-] TheStoicCrane 6 Points 2 months ago

The Simpsons/Everybody Loves Raymond/Family guy/ familial paradigm is becoming a reality in the joke country of America.

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[-] KrustyKrabReject 3 Points 2 months ago

What if we see MGTOW go on the rise more and more. Or we move toward a more Japanese style dating "herbivore men." With the emergence of sex dolls and VR which would win out? Men opting out or women being openly hypergamous. Combination of both?

[-] CainPrice 4 Points 2 months ago

Both. Kind of a caste system. Hot guys get to have sex with women (married and single) and continue life as normal. Most choose not to marry. Especially since marriage now means open marriage for the woman. Average guys get to have a wife, but she fucks around while they support her and enjoy her companionship. Below average guys go the Japanese route, placated with porn, legalized drugs, alcohol, video games, and virtual sex simulations. A few radical psycho guys in that caste grumble about a male uprising on the internet, while most of them think life with endless booze and video games is pretty okay.

[-] Happy_Pizza_ 2 Points 2 months ago

How does religion figure into this? There are always going to be some religious groups who believe in monogamous, complementary marriage. Furthermore, two parent marriage with both a mother and father has shown to be the most optimal arrangement for raising children.

Inevitably, social groups that emphasize two parent marriage are going to be more stable than the polyamorous masses you describe. They will also have larger families and will likely pass on their beliefs more effectively.

And religion isn't just going to die out, a third of Americans still go to church so we will likely have fundamentalists kicking around for a while, even if it's only like 10% or 5% of people in 2050.

Just curious, what will these groups be doing in this scenario?

[-] CainPrice 2 Points 2 months ago

They'll die off quicker than you think. Send a kid from a religious family to public school, college, grad school, and out in the world, and they'll come home thinking that organized religion is stupid. They'll end up just like everyone else. It just takes one generation in public school to wipe out a conservative religious family.

And the tiny segment of extreme fundamentalists who home-school their kids are generally regarded as wackos. Society shits on them and we all make fun of them in our heads and don't take them seriously. They might as well be Amish. They won't remain a force to be considered.

[-] Happy_Pizza_ 3 Points 2 months ago

I think you're selling religion a little short.

Catholicism and Evangelical Protestantism still have about 60% retention rates which isn't that bad (for comparison, the unaffiliated retention rate is about 67%.). And religion is capable of adaptation too. How to survive in a more secularized society is a pretty hot topic in more intellectual religious circles. Furthermore, you discount the immense diversity of religious though. For every church capitulating to modern society on divorce or gay stuff, there are other churches digging in their heels. And studies have shown that more conservative churches tend to retain more membership.

Not every conservative family is going to get wiped out. Furthermore, ones that survive will be larger and have more children than their secular conterparts and be more adapted to passing on their traditions. When you combine that with the fact that more conservative denominations tend to do better than liberal ones, the Christian churches will literally evolve to become more resilient to the changes you describe.

They won't remain a force to be considered.

Alternative lifestyles that only small minorities practice will always be something to be considered. Just look at how rare support for gay rights was in the 50s, and look at it now.

The life you describe, a kind of sexual caste system, where most guys are cucks, and the rest live in Brave New World doesn't sound very fun at all. Inevitably, the ideas of the minority will have some appeal.

[-] BendAndSnap- 1 Point 2 months ago

Eh. If I had incredible vr games and porn and extremely life like with a.i. sex dolls that is a 10/10 porn star on demand, drugs, and booze I'd be a pretty happy camper.

[-] jackandjill22 1 Point 2 months ago

Jesus I hope this isn't accurate. If this is true we are fighting a losing battle.

[-] TheObservationalist 1 Point 2 months ago

So... An exact reversal of the male/female power dynamic that existed only 60 years ago or so.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 20 Points 2 months ago

Most women abhor the concept of stay-at-home husbands. They see these men as basically children and another mouth to feed, while busting their asses at work for over 40 to 50 hours a week. They hate everything about it - so much so they can't even respect these men...with few exceptions, but exceptions aren't the rule.

The title on that article says it all - "Alpha Women, Beta Men."

Enough said.

[-] reluctantly_red 3 Points 2 months ago

They see these men as basically children and another mouth to feed, while busting their asses at work for over 40 to 50 hours a week.

That's fair. I look at stay at home moms the same way. Last thing I want is another dependent so if she wants kids she needs to make enough so that staying in the labour force makes sense. If she doesn't she's not LTR/marriage material.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 2 Points 2 months ago

That's a reasonable expectation - just like women...every man has his terms, conditions, standards, and requirements.

[-] reluctantly_red 1 Point 2 months ago

That's probably helping the high-earning female marriage rate decline.

But that's not happening. Marriage rates for working class people have been declining for years. Marriage rates for the UMC are actually increasing.

[-] BluepillProfessor 0 Points 2 months ago

it's a recipe for shortages pump and dumps

FTFY

[-] baeslick 40 Points 2 months ago

Why is that become such commonplace? And what does that say about people, specifically men in their 20's who are most susceptible to hypergamy, that these women are accomplishing the feminist dream and becoming "urban goddesses", yet are completely unhappy and only find their solace in a few bad boys that have no reliable prospects?

It's so fucking backwards man, as a male in my 20's who has always lived in major metropolitan areas, I find the struggle is real to find anyone worth their salt who isn't completely absorbed in the narrative.

[-] CainPrice 27 Points 2 months ago

I wouldn't sweat it. Move literally anywhere else and life is normal.

But liberals who live in major urban centers think the entire universe is just like their lives and find it impossible to imagine that the rest of the country is completely different. Ask a New York attorney and she'll tell you that loser men marrying professional women is some kind of serious epidemic sweeping the nation. Ask a therapist from Ohio and she'll wonder what the hell you're talking about.

[-] BewareTheOldMan 16 Points 2 months ago

Ask a New York attorney and she'll tell you that loser men marrying professional women is some kind of serious epidemic sweeping the nation.

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You know - these high-powered women don't have to marry these loser men. The other part is this:

"I'm not going to pay the bills—I feel like his mother—and then come home and suck his dick."

[-] hepahepahepa 7 Points 2 months ago

but the current global economic model is making it harder and harder to make a decent living outside of big cities (and harder to live inside them, too)

[-] Howdoiusesync 20 Points 2 months ago

Alright, i'm gonna try to break this down a bit.

The dude who was and or still is a struggling photographer fucked up. He never developed his personal achievement based narcissism in a way he knows that tomorrow he can go and kick ass. He fucked up by not focusing on his shit and entertaining the validation of pussy instead of his own work and self. So he never had that "I know what i'm capable I know who I am". Instead he gave his time to the relationship hoping he would somehow become successful by luck or whatever. He didn't do the work.

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The other dude who is a stay at home dad i'm assuming was and is successful considering he was in the FBI and a business man as well. So unlike beta-billy stated before who was just getting all the validation from a comfy relationship he was actually a man and still is because he actually can and still be that fucking dude who is uncontrollable and dominant. HouseDad who was successful knows that, his wife knows that (stated in article), the world knows that. But he wanted to raise his kids which honestly fuck it maybe it was better but he held frame, more importantly his frame.

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Why is it so common in metropolitan places well there is something about the environment of those places. For example you have NYC for example. There are many businesses and many high achieving men there with the arrogance and confidence based on their success. You also have people who are in the inner cities that had to grow up in tougher environments or they would die (socially and physically) they had to learn through the school of hard knocks. Now women here love that dominant trait that these men both have. If given the variable on who would succeed in a more mental frame it would be the man from the school of hard knocks. Though he may not have the same advantages of the man who is achieving more which they are both respected he may not understand the actually people he's dealing with and maybe be a little bitch at work even though he collects a good check. Do you see what i'm trying to say here? It's almost like frame and things of that nature are more primal than we think they are.

[-] HeadingRed 7 Points 2 months ago

I'm in Chicago and I see couples where the woman has the MBA\stem-ish degree and is climbing and the guy has some hobby-career. I know a couple who married, had a kid and divorced. She manages a large hotel. He is the 2nd assistant manager at a old-style hobby store selling model airplanes and plastic battleship kits. She was about 40 and he was over 50.

I see guys doing the chick hoby-business "who cares about money? it what I love and it makes me happy" meanwhile she's climbing and he is still collecting statues and shit.

My cousins kid shows up with a total smokeshow. There both just out of college and he's starting the climb. So is she. They live in a "big small town" about 75 miles from Chicago. She's always talking shop whenever we meet - she's driven. He's happy to stay at his first gig and work his way up. She wants out of tiny town. He's afraid to move to Chicago where his ass needs to compete. I watch her over a few years start to be less impressed with him. At every family gathering she just wants to talk shop. Her LinkedIn is active- his sits there. I found out they got married - like he asked and they did it right away. They're getting divorced now - he just got his MBA. She's leaving tiny town - he'll find another woman in tiny town with less ambition.

I get living your dream - I'd like to work in a store with WW2 fighter planes and play with remote control racing cars all day. And you can be the one who earns less- had a couple of years when I made less than her (generally not the case).

The minute she turns or feels like your full-time mom the golden triangle between her legs is going to turn into the Sahara dessert- and you'll get your balls broken 24/7 as she hates herself for it.

[-] askmrcia 7 Points 2 months ago

Yea i wonder how much debt she has going on as well. My sister is like the woman you described.

But she's in a shit ton of debt despite her good career as being a bank auditor. She has her MBA and her own apartment in a trendy neighborhood with a brand new car. I get what you're saying though. Women do seem to be more ambitious. She's very ambitious. All she talks is how she's going to make six figures.

She makes good money now. But she absolutely sucks with it.

You also have to look at it from other perspectives. They have more programs to make it easier for women to get into schools. Affirmative action works very well into their favor when it comes to hiring women.

Most hiring managers and personnel that make up human resources are women. Just want to throw that out there.

There are plenty of guys out there doing well too. My sister who makes $80k only wants guys who make $100k.

See the problem?

[-] BewareTheOldMan 1 Point 2 months ago

My sister who makes $80k only wants guys who make $100k

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It's only a problem if she cant LAND the guy(s) who make $100K or more - but that's on her. It's her responsibility to inspire men to commitment and/or marriage. Again - that''s on her to be the woman she needs to be to close the deal.

SMV and RMV count for a lot when you're out here asking for a lot.

[-] legitimateusername4 4 Points 2 months ago

My cousins kid shows up with a total smokeshow. There both just out of college and he's starting the climb. So is she. At every family gathering she just wants to talk shop. Her LinkedIn is active- his sits there.

Sounds like he did well getting rid of her.

[-] temerity18 5 Points 2 months ago

The script has flipped. Equal rights, equal lefts.

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[-] jackandjill22 1 Point 2 months ago

Our world is really backwards right now.

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[-] monsieurhire2 1 Point 2 months ago

‘Your business is going to have to get better faster.’ Until then, I’m withholding.”

Just imagine if a traditional husband said this to his wife when she started a side business.

Where I grew up, many of the Main Street boutiques and shops were run by the wives of successful men. You'd never see anyone in them, and the stuff they had for sale was mostly crap that women buy. Stuff with no real use value. Overpriced. Purely decorative. But ultimately disposable when they get sick of it. I can't imagine that very many of them were profitable.

[-] SubstantialTension3 1 Point 2 months ago

Genders reversed she would leave in a heartbeat because of hyper gamy.

[-] [deleted] 45 Points 2 months ago

Why are women so much more brutal and cold when given any power? Most powerful men are stern and fair, only psychotic men are abusive, whereas this seems to be the norm for powerful women.

[-] DeliciousPerformer 31 Points 2 months ago

Maybe only the psychotic women make it to the top. Normal women have different aspirations.

[-] [deleted] 6 Points 2 months ago

What about Olga of Kiev who was given the position rather than competed for it? I just think they view their subjects much less humanely than men. They see anyone below them with a much greater contempt then men usually do.

[-] 0newinged 7 Points 2 months ago

Men desire power for the sake of power. Woman desire power for the sake of being overpowered. They just become spiteful when they aren't.

[-] party_dragon 1 Point 2 months ago

Sure about this? I’d say many men desire power to get stuff done, whereas women jsut want to feel “strin. & independent”.

[-] 0newinged 4 Points 2 months ago

Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power.

Men want power to attract women, where women desire to feel that power. They use shit tests to test the power of a man. When women get powerful it means that men have failed. Those men are unfuckable. Plain and simple.

[-] broek_325 5 Points 2 months ago

I don’t agree with this. Look back through history and you will find an infinite supply of powerful men that have committed and been responsible the darkest atrocities you can imagine. Sometimes leading their countries/tribes into great power, sometimes leading to their own destruction.

Mass genocide, war, murder, dictatorship etc etc.

I think on a human level, men and women both have an equally high potential for being cold as fuck.

The people in this world with real power will not think twice about making people who threaten them disappear. That’s cold.

[-] GayLubeOil 43 Points 2 months ago

Please note the Neoliberal idiology in which a person isn't a human being but a homo Economocus who's value is determined by his economic output.

Western women masculinize themselves transforming themselves into the perfect wage slave and are confused why their days start with a buffet of antidepressants.

[-] Satou4 10 Points 2 months ago

There were so many red pills in her story. She pays the bills, which makes her not want to suck his dick. That's almost admitting she would only do it for payment, as if blowjobs are a commodity.

Respect, admiration, control. If the guy doesn't have those, it's unlikely he'll be allowed to fuck her.

[-] jackandjill22 1 Point 2 months ago

Agree again. You're sounding like Tyler Durden though.

[-] CentristLiberalist 1 Point 2 months ago

Please note the Neoliberal idiology in which a person isn't a human being but a homo Economocus who's value is determined by his economic output.

That is true, for economics. See the second half of my username.

[-] bob13bob 39 Points 2 months ago

This is nymag, not new yorker. Quite a different standard on reporting.

[-] Psychological_Radish 9 Points 2 months ago

thanks for noticing, I put in a disclaimer at the top with the error.

[-] whatsthisgarg 9 Points 2 months ago

NYMag is garbage, and I have to tell you that you are buying what they are selling with this post. I'll put it another way: you are listening to what they are saying.

These women are cunts, and the men are pussies. Money is not the problem.

The women are annoyed / bored / bugged / tired of being married / don't want to get old / whatever it doesn't matter, but they pick up on the money issue and make that the problem, then the therapists and journalists see a trend and make their money on that. These women would have some other problem with these same men even if the financial circumstances were different.

A woman making more money than the man is not a problem in and of itself. I'm practically a beach bum. I'm self-employed, I sleep late, I take months off at a time just to have fun and do what I want, my wife makes more than me, but I control ALL the money, she's fine with it, and yes she does come home in the middle of the day to suck my cock. I have 3 friends who are in a similar position, photographers and cabinetmakers, I don't know about the blowjobs for them, but they seem to be fine with what they have.

Takeaway from my comment is still do not get married, because a woman will turn on you for any reason or no reason at all. Don't think that making money checks off a box, because my opinion is that making money is BB and actually results in much less sex.

When you satisfy women in one way, they don't need to be satisfied in some other ways.

[-] Psychological_Radish 1 Point 2 months ago

These women are cunts, and the men are pussies. Money is not the problem.

well that may very well be. But the research is pretty clear: relationships where the woman earns more than the man are much more likely to end up in divorce court. Yeah if they had control of the Frame maybe they wouldn't have this problem, but I think the point is that marrying a careerist who may outearn you by a wide margin isn't a wise move for most guys.

[-] whatsthisgarg 6 Points 2 months ago

But the research is pretty clear: relationships where the woman earns more than the man are much more likely to end up in divorce court. ... but I think the point is that marrying a careerist who may outearn you by a wide margin isn't a wise move for most guys.

made some edits to your thoughts LOL

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[-] ChrimsonChin988 1 Point 2 months ago

Agreed the money isn't very relevant although not completely irrelevant. It's just about holding frame and being a pimp...

These women bitch about their men because their men are pussies. The only valid argument to make between women earning more than their men and divorcing them is that it's harder to maintain frame and treat your wife like a bitch when she's earning more than you are, that's all it is.

I agree with you it's entirely possible to be in a good LTR where she makes more $. I bet my left nut that Patrice would still be calling his girl a goofy hoe even if he was homeless and she would still be sucking his dick.

[-] Theguygotgame777 23 Points 2 months ago

I'm shocked they published that in the New Yorker. Feels too red-pilled for the normies.

[-] Commentate 14 Points 2 months ago

That's what I thought until I opened the link and saw that it's not the New Yorker. It's the New York Magazine. OP confused the names.

[-] BirdManBrrrr 13 Points 2 months ago

Not entirely congruent with this but related, but despite me earning more than my ex wife when we were married (~150k vs. ~110K) she had complete and utter contempt for me because my job wasn't as stressful as hers, nor as time consuming, nor had coworkers with fancypants Ivy League degrees. My ability to be a top performer in a fairly specialized field meant nothing. My working for a Fortune 500 Dow Component Best-In-Class profitable company meant nothing compared to her self-described shitty, mismanaged, slowly dying, unprofitable company.

Me being able to make more than her in 45-50 hours/week with a decent work-life balance was beneath her working 80+ and on weekends. My coworkers credentials were beneath her coworkers credentials. My lack of effort in being good at my job was beneath her constant stress and anxiety in her own job.

Lesson learned: It's not just about the money. Women will judge you by whichever yardstick she can conveniently concoct in order to maker her feel superior.

Furthermore, if she even perceives you're lesser than her in any way unrelated to money or career she'll use every available excuse to bludgeon and shit test you to no end.

EDIT: Oh, and stay away from the ladderclimbing, psuedo-masculine women to begin with.

[-] Fulp_Piction 4 Points 2 months ago

Sounds like she used her work to post-hoc rationalise her resentment towards you. I'm not sure money matters as much as your attitude - never been involved with a masculine girl though.

[-] BirdManBrrrr 3 Points 2 months ago

You're right on that point; very much Lightswitch Effect. I've since learned that lesson.

[-] ChrimsonChin988 3 Points 2 months ago

Women will judge you by whichever yardstick she can conveniently concoct in order to maker her feel superior.

Yea man, because she despised you lol... You're right it's not about the money. But it wasn't and never will be about any of those other 'yardsticks' you mention either.

You weren't pimping your wife; weak frame. She didn't feel the spark anymore and then they just start making up these bullshit perceived 'flaws'. It's entirely uncorrelated to you doing something 'objectively' good or bad. Once a bitch falls out of love and starts despising you can do no good in her eyes and she will complain about every little fucking thing. She will use the hamster against you by rationalizing everything you say/do into something bad.

On the other hand when a girl is in love with you, it literally doesn't matter what you say or do, you cannot do any wrong in her eyes... She will use the hamster to your advantage to rationalize everything you say/do into something good.

[-] BirdManBrrrr 3 Points 2 months ago

You weren't pimping your wife; weak frame. She didn't feel the spark anymore and then they just start making up these bullshit perceived 'flaws'

That's what I eventually learned the hard way.

[-] jackandjill22 1 Point 2 months ago

Sounds like she was just resentful she's wasted her time.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 0 Points 2 months ago

Yep, they will find any fucking way to construe themselves as superior to you and bludgeon you with it. Women today are fucking trash. You must be sociopathically indifferent towards them.

[-] WinjetRed 9 Points 2 months ago

Sounds like Emily is going to learn about divorce rape.

[-] Truedemocracy4 8 Points 2 months ago

lmao at this being in the New Yorker of all places. Now imagine the outrage if men said the same thing

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Sadly for these women (and cities like NYC are full of them) is that they WANT to be dominated but as they outearn men the number of guys who can give them that feeling dwindle to the point of high earning single women being on the wrong end of both father time and a math equation. It's why the pet industry is booming. These pathetic husks of human beings cant love a person for their flaws so will have a pet instead

[-] TheStoicCrane 6 Points 2 months ago

Bare fact of the matter is that professional women diminish their dating pool by aspiring for traditionally male roles. Briffault's Law, it's nothing new.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 6 Points 2 months ago

“I want somebody to take that power role away from me”

Boom, there it is boys. Red pill in one sentence from the bitch’s mouth.

[-] ntvirtue 5 Points 2 months ago

This is why women can never be a partner.

[-] tchower 4 Points 2 months ago

Another example and reason why feminism and woman’s rights was a stupid idea and always will be. Even woman’s right to vote might’ve been a bad idea, since woman see men this way. Also find it interesting to see a Red Piller post that focuses on the LTR/marriage side of dating.

[-] McVaghunter 3 Points 2 months ago

An article about strong independent women willingly admitting they want a powerful man who's in control and that will never allow his woman an inch of superiority... Man, who would've guessed, TRP turned out to be right all this time, yet it's quarantined just because its content is written by men. Quarantined by a bunch of low SMV bluepilled reddit managers who probably never gotten pussy without paying for it and yet think they know what women want.

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[-] BluepillProfessor 1 Point 2 months ago

The women are in control of Reddit, just like everywhere. Those simps at the table just put their heads down when the purple haired demons started to rant.

[-] chazthundergut 3 Points 2 months ago

It all boils down to maintaining a masculine frame.

It is hard to be the dominant if you make significantly less money. Not impossible, but difficult.

And the corollary is that when you are the one who makes significantly more money, it becomes much easier to hold a masculine frame

[-] Psychological_Radish 1 Point 2 months ago

Yeah I think that's really the point here. Of course if these Betatized men in the article were Red Pilled and had Frame, then perhaps they wouldn't be in this situation. But I'm not an advocate of playing life on hard mode, which is what this is.

[-] BluepillProfessor 3 Points 2 months ago

LOL! I had almost the same essay written with almost the same pieces of Red Pill wisdom highlighted. Those phrases really jump out at you when you read the article.

Let me just point out the vicious harpy in the article as a way to show guys the true nature of women:

Emily, a senior sales executive, admits she enjoys the control she has over Mark, a struggling photographer. But sex has become an issue.

“I can’t give up the position of empress,” she says. “Everything is in my name. When I’ve gotten really bratty, I’ve said, ‘Well fine, leave,’ knowing he can’t leave. I’ve never had such security in a relationship. There’s no risk of flight. But it’s only giving me a short-term gain. Ultimately, it’s emasculating for him.

“Mark,” she adds, “was the best sex I ever had.” But that was long ago. “We fight instead,” she says. “We’re embroiled in some weird combat. It’s like Lysistrata. I tell him, ‘Your business is going to have to get better faster.’ Until then, I’m withholding.”

“I want somebody to take that power role away from me,” she explains.

Hate women? Nope. We just know AWALT when we see it.

Except society doesn't permit it.

When Emily comes home, she doesn’t always want to be the boss. But she says her husband no longer has the authority to take over.

When we say AWALT, we mean AWALT. Notice the only variable in all the horror stories are the man's level of IDGAF. The less he cares, the less likely she is to treat him badly and the more likely she is to respect and bang him. Wow! It's almost like Red Pill had some correct ideas after all.

TLDR: Frame is all.

[-] SKRedPill 2 Points 2 months ago

I understand that women are like this because hypergamy. But in today's world, their egos are getting the kind of boost that their brains were never built to handle at any point in biological evolution. As such 2 reasons women are more ambitious at the workplace is the declining T and easy pleasure options for men, and because men intrinsically have far fewer needs than women, so women tend to work harder by instinct. This means many men can no longer keep up with women, and hypergamy only looks upward. It's getting unsustainable.

I see this same dynamic in my extended family everyday. The only aunt of mine who really respects her husband is one where he won't let her spend a dollar without him knowing. This is in spite of the fact that he faced many setbacks in his career (not his fault, he was brilliant, but he got framed in a lawsuit and spend 2 decades fighting his way out) and she makes far more money as a bank VP. It is said that in our whole family, he's the only one who can tame my high octane aunt. My aunt would be an ultra masculine woman at the workplace, but he can turn her into a girl at times.

And he lifts. And how. He looks like he's 30 when he's 60 plus - 12% BF, 300+ on the deadlifts. He's since then gotten into another business and his income's on par with his wife now. He gave me an essential RP lecture some years back, but it's only now I realize it. My mum now admits that they were going through issues when she earned way more and his career was stuck in judicial hell, but it seems that my uncle, instead of giving up, got the message alpha-d himself to the absolute max possible. It worked.

[-] Granite_Pill 3 Points 2 months ago

It's honestly an epidemic. I don't know many males who earn more than their wives and girlfriends.

It happened to me. All my exes got jobs and money thrown at them from every direction. I would have to job hunt for months and months and they either had a hook up or would just land the first job they applied to. All my coworkers make as little as half of their wives' income. Some a few thousand less. But I think most of the men at my workplace are not the breadwinners. It's strange.

Flash forward to the company Christmas party. All the women, the wives and girlfriends of all my coworkers, were blatantly flirting with me, they were all over me. Not to brag, but I was the only alpha in the room, and they didn't care about making their husbands jealous. Or maybe they were just drunk. I don't know, but I had to leave the party early because it became too uncomfortable for me. Too much jealously and tension in the air.

I am a contractor and I do work for many various companies in the big city and when I go to these companies one thing that sticks out to me is how few men they have working for them. There are almost no men. These companies are staffed 75% by very good looking women. I think about how hard it is for a man to find a job in this day and age realize it's because companies aren't interested in hiring men, especially white men. They want hot women.

Yeti is a company that sticks out in my mind. Their HQ is staffed predominantly by very good looking women in short skirts. Also, we held a short meeting under their stairs in the main entry way (it's a lobby area) and these women walked up and down the stairs with delight knowing full well we could just look up and see up their skirts. They loved the attention.

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[-] SKRedPill 2 Points 2 months ago

Love flows down from masculine to feminine. Respect flows up from feminine to masculine. No other way.

[-] Andgelyo 2 Points 2 months ago

TLDR: Remain frame, make more money than her, fuck her like a whore, act and behave like a high value male. I mean even if I did make less than her, I still wouldn’t give her power over me, simply because I know I can go and get another one.

[-] Ninokun 2 Points 2 months ago

its a cultural thing that women are appaled to provide for men in our Society. if u venture out to South east Asia or even Africa u will find its very common for wealthy woman to marry a poor Guy which at least has the right physical looks going on for him.

[-] BluepillProfessor 2 Points 2 months ago

It is absolutely a cultural artifact created by feminism. Like I always say, what do you think those women's studies departments and all those professors are doing? They are planting ideas ala Gramski (look it up) and agitating for laws and policies that favor women and harm men.

Wealthy women in other countries do not do this because they are not drunk at the well of feminism so they do not engage in a collective program like our little Emily to emasculate the husband. This anger at men and the desire to control men (while simultaneously desiring men to take control) is not a natural part of society.

[-] ntvirtue 1 Point 2 months ago

Yeah that is why in the Philippines and Thailand none of the women want anything to do with western guys.

[-] Ninokun 1 Point 2 months ago

go to spill ur retardness somewhere else please. do u think i dont know that? just because exhibit a exists doesnt mean exhibit b doesnt. having a toyboy here is as common as day and those are thai on thai relationships.

edit: and dont think u need any money to get laid here at all come here and u will see. i dont have penny to my name. if ur 60 and want to date someone 30years younger you have to pay. that rule applies to everywhere on this planet just in SEA its affordable with their base rent lol

[-] ntvirtue 2 Points 2 months ago

This is so awesome I am taking a screen shot.

[-] throwaway9935555 1 Point 2 months ago

Nice Blackpink and Hyuna tattoos. Someday a real rain will come and wash the scum from the streets.

[-] Tbonesupreme 2 Points 2 months ago

The marriages aren't failing because she makes more than he does. They are failing because she makes more AND he's acting like a bitch.

She has no reason to hang on to him for security reasons, so she bounces. That's the only difference between this story, and every other divorce story. Her income provides for an easy exit.

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[-] SKRedPill 2 Points 2 months ago

AWALT as it couldn't be put better. Only yesterday my aunt called my mum (her sister) and they were talking about how their husbands lost their motivation after layoffs (it helps that my parents gen is nearing 60 and we're good) and it's like having to deal with 3 children in the house - the exact same phrase.

She ain't even remotely feminist.

When a woman looks down at her man, no respect or love can flow. This ought to be written in sidebar stone - it's the very heart of Red Pill Intersexual dynamics.

[-] Thunderbird93 2 Points 2 months ago

Something pertinent to this is relative SMV peaking. Think the wall. If a man peaks later than women then it is imperative to master your craft alone like an ubermensch and then think women later. Guys ignore Tony Montana, first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman. Been studying and trading the Forex market alone for 2 years now and the road will only get lonelier. I went to a Christian College and have seen on FB so many weddings, its bullshit, get your money right.

[-] jackandjill22 1 Point 2 months ago

Hmm agree. 110%. 99% of the time the weddings don't last they're done out of convenience & they're unhappy less then 2 years into it.

[-] Thunderbird93 2 Points 2 months ago

I don't get why society thinks getting married is an accomplishment. Its almost assumed its like graduating college, getting a job or starting a business, those are accomplishments. Simply getting someone to commit to you isn't shit

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[-] Kommanderdude 1 Point 2 months ago

Current ltr makes double what I make. I mean I’m financially capable on my own and in no way reliant on her income at all. I was never in a position to be used as a provider type. Interested to see how it plays out in the long run.

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