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- Hide Preview | 289 Comments | submitted 10 months ago by Rollo-Tomassi [Post Locked]

Essay:

https://therationalmale.com/2019/01/08/remove-the-man-2019/

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Excerpt:

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Today the American Psychological Association issued its first-ever guidelines for practice with boys/men’s. In it the concept of conventional (traditional) masculinity is outlined as ‘harmful’.

The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful. Men socialized in this way are less likely to engage in healthy behaviors.

It would be easy to refute this basic presumption with countless examples of how all of these traits, most of which are innate parts of men’s evolved mental firmware, have been key in developing a civil society as well as healthy masculine identity. But what we’re seeing in this is a corruption of language that is leading to the standardization of the corruption of thought.

Stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression are evolved aspects of the male psyche that have served men for millennia. To the Red Pill aware man this is self-evident. What is less evident is the new context in which these ‘educated’ men apply meaning to these terms. Academia has been so thoroughly assimilated by the Feminine Imperative that the men making official decrees about psychological principle no longer have the insight to understand that their perspective is informed by ‘female-correct‘ thought.

[-] TlMPPA 249 Points 10 months ago

who in their right mind would think that stoicism is harmful? Is this an episode of the twilight zone?

[-] CainPrice 121 Points 10 months ago

Modern psychology thinks that if you don't emote the way women emote, you are emotionally stunted, have low emotional IQ, and something is wrong with you.

They no longer know the difference between a guy who shrugs and says, "Yeah, it's upsetting, but it's really not worth crying about. I'm gonna go handle my shit now" and a deranged emotionless murdering raping psychopath.

In fact, they're convinced that being the first kind of guy leads to being the second kind of guy and the only correct way to exist is to emote like a woman.

[-] monsieurhire2 42 Points 10 months ago

"Emote like a woman."

Ah yes, the crocodile tears that appear when their whims aren't fulfilled and then magically disappear when they are.

[-] [deleted] 2 Points 10 months ago

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[-] the_one_tony_stark 19 Points 10 months ago

Pretty much. We've gone from treating women as defective men to treating men as defective women within a century.

[-] redpillschool 23 Points 10 months ago

We've gone from treating women as defective men

I don't think we did though.

We didn't put them on the front lines and get mad when they failed at basic tasks. We understood they were to be sheltered from the harsh realities of war.

We treated them as the fairer sex.

Now the fairer sex wears shoulder pads and fancies themselves as firemen.

[-] machocornflakes 7 Points 10 months ago

First of all who is they, stop being a pussy in the third perspective.

Don’t emote like a women, but notice how women emote, be conscious about it, and respond, when appropriate.

Women are great, don’t treat them like your enemy. Women are there to enjoy, and want to enjoy. Women know that men are leaders and they are followers. Women are eager to follow a man, are there to be enjoyed and know the fact more than anything else.

[-] HandsofThyme 3 Points 10 months ago

The APA as an organization serves the function that any mainstream psychological body serves for its particular culture or nation-state: to identify and prepare its populace to be receptive to the personality types that the society 'needs,' contextually.

We in the West are largely living in countries with less overt conflict, more agreeableness, and more stratified, less-navigable social and occupational hierarchies.

The APA says stoicism, dominance, aggression – the trademarks of masculinity – are harmful? This suggests that the average 'valuable' member of society needs to suppress these qualities to fit in contextually. The APA is really signaling that it considers them to obsolete values for the nonpathological westerner, and by suggesting they are harmful, they sway the impressionable to cull those traits.

The onus is on you to decide how to respond to their categorizations.

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 66 Points 10 months ago

The Frankfurt School. (The ideology governing this labeling)

[-] Throndor_Rising 22 Points 10 months ago

The Frankfurt School gave rise to the prevalence of Postmodernist thinkers such as Michel Foucault, and Jacques Derrida.

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Using the dialectic method these thinkers essentially broke down all societal elements of hierarchy to "systems of oppression" in which today's sociopolitical environment of perpetual victimhood and refusal to accept accountability for one's own choices in life came from.

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Furthermore, if you really get into the details of Foucault and Derrida's extension of Frankfurt theory, this is where things start to take on a very twisted undertone and the fallacy of this line of thought reveals its sinister roots.

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Foucault, and Derrida spent their dying years, along with several other contemporary colleagues, petitioning French Parliament for the abolishment of all age of consent laws, calling to testimony pediatricians and childhood psychologists that attested to the idea that "consensual" sex with children as early as the age of SEVEN was NOT harmful to their psyschological development.

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Are you sure you want to go down this road, allying yourself with thinkers who self-rationalized pedophilia and died from AIDS after a lifetime of lurid BDSM homosexuality? I would reconsider my position, if I were you.

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Respectfully,

Throndor

[-] Throndor_Rising 8 Points 10 months ago

It looks like I'm 1 position up on the dialogue tree over where I would like to be, and you are CORRECTLY clarifying that this is where this ERRANT line of thought comes from. My previous comment is intended to be directed at those SUPPORTING the Frankfurt School's position, especially those arguing on behalf of extensions made to this line of thought in the 60s and 70s, because Foucault, Derrida et al are exactly who was extending this line of thought in the 60s and 70s and they died fighting to legalize pedophilia. That was their own dialectical "reveal".

Not surprisingly, these are also the same thinkers that acadamia elevates as "great modern thinkers" in today's era and look at all the crazy making it has led to. I mean, look at the fucking article we're talking about here.

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Marcusse, SPECIFICALLY, attempted to forward ideas for the widespread acceptance of pedophilia in Eros and Civilization. How are you going to cherry pick and agree with parts of this man's pathology? It's the pathology of a pedophile sympathizer, if not an outright pedophile.

Apologies,

Throndor

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 2 Points 10 months ago

Think you replied to the wrong comment

[-] Throndor_Rising 3 Points 10 months ago

Yeah i clairified that. I meant for everyone below this point on the tree arguing on behalf of this group of pedophiles to see what they were arguing on behalf of. You are correct in determining the origin of this line of thought. Thats why i specifically noted that i my second response.

[-] ZoroasterFlame 5 Points 10 months ago

Look, I hear conflicting messages. Some say the Frankfurt School was started to fight totalitarianism in all forms, other say their goal is to implant totalitarianism through non-violent means. Which is it?

[-] Battagliare 33 Points 10 months ago

The second. Frankfurt School is the worst thing happened to Western Civilization.

As a Non-Westerner, its worrying to watch you guys suicide this fast.

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 2 Points 10 months ago

their goal was to fight totalitarianism by degenerating people into one big grey blob of women and nu-males.....

which in itself is a different form of totalitarianism. dumbass

[-] Throndor_Rising 5 Points 10 months ago

and to legalize pedophilia. See Marcusse Eros and Civilzation

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also Foucault's Sexual Morality and the Law

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French\_petition\_against\_age\_of\_consent\_laws

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[-] ZoroasterFlame 0 Points 10 months ago

What I just looked up on Marcusse does give that impression. But I read a fragment of his Eros and Civilization in which he warns that radical feminism will bring about a new totalitaranism. Also, the first person I have EVER seen calling out feminism as evil in public was a Frankfurt school critical theorist. Yes he was tepid and mild-mannered, but he clearly didn't tolerate crazy women. Not to mention that Jordan Peterson, and the "intellectual dork web" generally seem to be very fond of them.

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 0 Points 10 months ago

ironic that his form of academic inquiry is used as the basis for radical feminism

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[-] GodOfDinosaurs -10 Point 10 months ago

Read Marcuse/Adorno/Horkheimer yourself, don't listen to the idiots on here. Most of them don't even understand critical theory and get their ideas on the Frankfurt School from YouTube conspiracy theorists and Jordan Peterson. For them, it's basically another buzzword for things they're scared of like "cultural Marxism"

[-] HumanSockPuppet 7 Points 10 months ago

Lmao Show us the indispensable contributions that the social sciences have made to human achievement.

Hint: you can't, because there are none. And no, self-important moral faggotry via public masturbation doesn't count.

[-] ZoroasterFlame 1 Point 10 months ago

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Well, speaking from experience, the one frankfurt school philosopher I've ever known was the first person I've ever known to start calling out feminism as totalitarianism in public, and I think Herbert Marcusse did so too in the 60's.

[-] GodOfDinosaurs 0 Points 10 months ago

TRP is based heavily on evolutionary psychology and anthropology which are both social sciences, you absolute buffoon.

[-] HumanSockPuppet 5 Points 10 months ago

Nice try at a reversal, but no points for going out of bounds.

TRP is not an achievement. It is, at best, a rehashing of principles that were once so self-evident that they didn't merit mentioning.

Guess we can't really expect an apologist of socialism to engage in close reading or critical thinking.

[-] Throndor_Rising 1 Point 10 months ago

I understand it quite clearly as the pontifications of pedophiles and reject the whole of their work as the pathology of a pedophile. Have you actually read Eros and Civilization, sexual morality and the law, etc? Do you realize that foucault and derrida soent their last years trying to legalize pedophilia?

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[-] TheRedPike 1 Point 10 months ago

Jordan Peterson.

Where? Because I would like to show them the door.

[-] GodOfDinosaurs -8 Point 10 months ago

What the fuck are you talking about lmao. What Frankfurt School thinker talks about stoicism?

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 2 Points 10 months ago

what are the values of stoicism?

wow its almost as if an ideology dedicated to the neutering of men doesnt want men to have self control, discipline, and be able to face adversity as it comes.

but no you're right obviously stoicism has nothing to do with that

[-] Avertus 23 Points 10 months ago

Stoicism and other individualist philosophies are next on the guillotine. Marcus Aurelius' Meditations will be banned soon enough for promoting "toxic masculinity."

[-] twofones 9 Points 10 months ago

Meanwhile, I've seen an uptick of chicks posting isolated inspirational quotes from Marcus Aurelius on instagram

[-] awalt_cupcake 7 Points 10 months ago

It's like only women should control what we think. They should be the messenger and take credit for it. Like a business when it gets bought out and suddenly all their products are relabeled and distributed at a higher cost. They take our masculine ideologies, concepts, and rebrand it, requote it and instead can only be spoken by women.

[-] twofones 5 Points 10 months ago

Brilliant. Hostile takeover, rebranding, and monopoly on masculinity. All enforced by force if necessary (divorce rape, paternity fraud, child support, false rape).

Feminism will fail the same way all authoritarianism (communism/socialism/monarchy) does, but it’s going to make a hell of a mess as it is brought down.

[-] MrShoeguy 2 Points 10 months ago

Fail at what? Forcing people into cannabalism? That was always the goal.

[-] TheStumblingWolf 5 Points 10 months ago

In the "feelz > realz" equation it's, by definition, the enemy being in direct opposition to feminist doctrine.

[-] monsieurhire2 1 Point 10 months ago

The question, is harmful to "whom," exactly. Who benefits from stoicism? The individual. Who loses from stoicism? Corporations trying to sell you shit you don't need. Stoics aren't good consumers. Think about it for longer than a minute. Now, if society ever faces an existential crisis, then they'll start selling stoicism again. But in decadent times of plenty, not so much.

[-] logicalthinker1 1 Point 10 months ago

The antidote to a kid throwing a tantrum is a calm, unwavering adult.

[-] p3n1x 1 Point 10 months ago

Not all discipline can be delivered with "calm". Tantrums have context and they aren't all the same.

[-] Erfbender -8 Point 10 months ago

I don't think children should be stoic. I think that leads them to hide their emotions, rather than overcome them

[-] CainPrice 6 Points 10 months ago

Males, including male children, process their emotions differently than women.

The modern therapy approach to life has declared that everybody needs to emote like women. That the only way to be "healthy" regarding emotions is to express them then talk about them.

The very notion that somebody could feel an emotion but not dramatically express it, then just process it himself instead of talking it through with mental health professionals sounds confusing to women and to feminized men. They can't imagine that this is even possible.

Surely, they think to themselves, men who deal with their feelings like this are just suppressing and bottling them up harmfully. Nobody could possibly be capable of dealing with their shit like that.

Because women and feminized men find it completely impossible to imagine that anybody else in the world could work or think differently than they do or be capable of doing something they can't. In their world, if you're doing it a different way than they are, you're doing it wrong and need to be fixed.

[-] Erfbender 0 Points 10 months ago

While you have a point, I think it is reasonable to recognize that raising boys without the opportunity to have emotional support if they want/need it can be harmful and leave them less than they could have been. Obviously it shouldn't be forced on them, just not denied to them on the basis of "you're a boy, you don't have feelings that can be hurt."

[-] CainPrice 3 Points 10 months ago

I think you've bought into the completely false narrative that there are some kind of evil John Wayne "real man" fathers out there who are suppressing their children's feelings.

Any time you see a boy who's not crying, you worry that his abusive father must have made him that way and that he can't possibly be just fine and processing emotions the way boys naturally process emotions.

Any time you see a boy doing it the boy's way instead of the girl's way, you think there's something wrong with the boy.

You're a fucking man-hating sexist.

[-] Erfbender -1 Point 10 months ago

I think you are too quick to assume motive and too willing to assume things about people with very little evidence, because that isn't true at all. I wonder how you will respond when your son comes to you with tears in his eyes and tells you how something he saw or heard made him feel really sad. I would hope you would show compassion and teach him how to deal with those feelings, and not shame him for having them.

[-] CainPrice 2 Points 10 months ago

You've also bought into the completely false narrative that masculine men have no idea how to raise male children in a healthy manner, how to deal with emotions in others, or possibly how to parent at all. And that masculine men lack compassion.

Take your man-hating bigotry elsewhere.

Masculine men have the exact same range of emotions you have. We just know how to deal with them better.

And masculine men have even better parenting skills than you have. Plus, women actually want to have sex with us, so we've got better odds of actually becoming parents.

The idea that your girly way of doing shit is the only right and healthy way is the real problem with kids today. Boys are growing up confused when they don't feel, think, or act the way idiots like you tell them they're supposed to. Boys who feel masculine being told that they're not supposed to feel that way and that they're supposed to be more like girls is making them grow up confused and unhappy. I sincerely hope you're not a parent and not in a profession where you have any contact with young boys.

Stop fucking up children over your crazy man-hating agenda.

[-] redpillcad 2 Points 10 months ago

Boys are growing up confused when they don't feel, think, or act the way idiots like you tell them they're supposed to

Number 231 on the list of how TRP saves men lives

[-] Erfbender -1 Point 10 months ago

I don't think it's possible to reach the conclusions you have about me by reading what I've written, so I'll have to conclude that you haven't. Therefore, I'll summarize: I value traditional masculinity, but I also recognize that individuals aren't perfect clones of an archetype, and that regardless of what category someone fits into, they, will vary to some degree from that standard.

That's why I worried about your empathy skills Mr. Masculine. Not because I think masculine men aren't good fathers, I think many are, but because you've been rude and careless with your speech throughout this conversation, and that very well might reflect on your personal skill with child-rearing and mentorship

[-] CainPrice 2 Points 10 months ago

So you need to be babied like a child? You expect kid gloves and a level of care in passing conversation with a stranger on the internet that takes your emotions and sensibilities into account?

Don't go anywhere near children, and don't tell them anything, you feminine weirdo.

[-] Erfbender 1 Point 10 months ago

No of course not. But if your speech is careless and reflects a lack of thought being put into what you say, I will reasonably assume that translates into an inability to behave otherwise. Careless and thoughtless people don't make good parents, regardless of how tough they might think they are. And being so quick to aggression is the antithesis of Amused Mastery, which IMO is far more important to TRP than seeming like a roided out sperg.

[-] mrpthrowa 0 Points 10 months ago

You have a real nerve to shame him for reaching conclusions about you, but to then go ahead and jump to all sorts of conclusions about him. Fuck you, no wonder you're acting like a girl.

[-] Erfbender 0 Points 10 months ago

I mentioned potential character flaws that coincide with the character traits he displayed, whereas he made assumptions about my behavior, personality, and beliefs without any context or evidence as a basis for some pretty egregious accusations. Those aren't comparable.

[-] mrpthrowa 0 Points 10 months ago

What the fuck does that mean? overcome rather than hide? Tell me in the name of all that is holy to you.

[-] Erfbender 1 Point 10 months ago

Hide: conceal from the view or notice of others Overcome: to reach a solution to the Problem, and either putting the solution into practice or accepting the situation as it is. 10 year olds need a place of understanding and security from which they can learn maturity, and thereby stoicism

[-] mrpthrowa 3 Points 10 months ago

yes i can look up a dictionary. Tell me what this bullcrap means in practice.

Use examples if you must.

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[-] Feelinggood702 21 Points 10 months ago

I think you misunderstand its meaning. It’s not being indifferent (in which case you’re essentially trying to suppress your emotions) but rather feeling everything fully as it is, without you being taken over by your emotions (ie. just being fully aware of the situation). I just learned this too.

[-] AbusiveFather1 2 Points 10 months ago

Can you elaborate please? What does feeling everything fully mean

[-] ellenvonboyce 15 Points 10 months ago

To experience your emotions, first by being able to recognize the exact emotion you're feeling, second, to understand the "why", and third, to allow yourself to experience the wave of emotion in its entirety instead of dismissing it.

The reason why stoicism is so demonized by women is because women are driven by their emotions. Their behaviour is centered around what they feel like. Men are different, as their behaviour is centered around a cost vs benefit analysis. This threatens a woman's security, as it illustrates to her that everything in life as it pertains to her relationships with men is effectively considered a marketplace, thus she is perceived by men to either have marketplace value or not. The mere possibility of her not having value at all terrifies her on the most fundamental level, since her biological purpose is to attract a mate and reproduce.

This is why women are driven to destroy and demonize stoicism in favour of feminizing men to where they are no longer driven by this cost vs benefit analysis and strictly by their emotions, since emotions can easily be manipulated and controlled with sex - which is typically all women have to offer, at the end of the day.

If you can't be manipulated with sex, you're a threat to her biological purpose.

[-] Pascolino 7 Points 10 months ago

Like meditation. You are on the bank of a river and you watch the flow of water (emotions), but you're not swimming in it like a helpless log.

[-] odaklanan_insan 1 Point 10 months ago

This is a good painting of, what meditation is.

[-] MilkMoney111 4 Points 10 months ago

Check out mindfulness. It's letting the feelings you have occur without judgement. If you feel upset about something, instead of letting those emotions creep into your head and cause anxiety, you sit and process the emotion objectively. Where do I feel this? Why do I feel this? Could I handle this better? Is it really that big of a deal?

Instead of reacting immediately you learn to process things first.

[-] FresnoBobRidesAgain 2 Points 10 months ago

Also check out Nonviolent Communication (NVC) to understand the "why" of emotions. Despite the name (which is a bit of a misnomer in itself), the knowledge and practice has been incredibly helpful for understanding myself as well as understanding and relating to others.

[-] GayLubeOil 225 Points 10 months ago

This paper is going to be used by the psychological medical education and legal establishment to fuck over men.

Here's how it's gonna play out in practice in 5 to 10 years. Hard working honest guy who's trying to make his marriage work goes to therapist with wife. Therapist uses said document to diagnose him as toxic masculine. Wife makes smug face because authority figure is supporting her hypergamy.

Psychologists findings get submitted to court and get weponized in divorce proceedings.

Remember when Title 9 changed the standard of evidence for College Rape tribunals from beyond a reasonable doubt to preponderance of evidence? These kind of documents have very large sweeping effects.

[-] The-Peter-Principle 70 Points 10 months ago

There would have been a time where I may have read your comment and scoffed at the absurdity.

But over the last 2 years of watching the US just completely lose it marbles I have to agree.

It may not be intentional at inception but it WILL be weaponised.

[-] lastdumra 13 Points 10 months ago

It may not be intentional at inception but it WILL be weaponised.

Lol. Still giving the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, this document that will undoubtedly fuck men over and benefit women was made out of an honest mistake. Just like all the other "honest mistakes" feminism has done, like fake statistics, that have always gone in one direction: fuck men and benefit women. All honest mistakes. That it always goes in the same direction is just coincidence.

[-] TheImpossible1 28 Points 10 months ago

The President of the APA is a woman. This is exactly the plan!

[-] CainPrice 26 Points 10 months ago

I can't remember where I read it, but there was this one theory about how we're heading toward a dystopian future where masculinity is treated like a disease, where we medicate young boys to stifle their natural testosterone production and prevent them from becoming too masculine. The rationale would be that masculinity makes boys do worse in school and makes them aggressive, so we're helping them achieve more in life by keeping their testosterone below an approved amount. This can be coupled with a societal push about how muscularity allegedly isn't attractive and rail-thin androgyny is hot, how confidence and aggression (except from women) is terrifying, and so on. Mandatory therapy, special education to teach boys to emote like women, etc.

The theory was that instead of just combating the idea of masculinity, things will move on to medically eradicating masculinity.

[-] GayLubeOil 24 Points 10 months ago

If your in your 20s have the testosterone of an 80 year old man (250) and go to an American General Practice Doctor, he will tell you your testosterone is within range.

This is a very consistent phenomenon in the US. It's not about bad doctors or malpractice. Some higher medical authority is teaching these doctors that 250 ngl is okay for 20 year olds. However if you go to a Central European Doctor Slovakia Slovenia etc they well perscribe at those levels, because their medical association operates on different doctrine.

Keep in mind that low testosterone will make you sleepy, unmotivated and depressed.

[-] Selexus 8 Points 10 months ago

There are many things within the manosphere that i am not qualified to comment on, however this is one that i am. GLO is right, but i'm not sure that even he realizes the struggles low T adults such as myself go through. The negative effects of low T are no joke. Having suffered a recent bout of flu that had me bed ridden for 5 days, i missed my TRT regime for that period. When i began to shake of the bug, I was confused as to why i felt so bad. Memory, motivation, mood, energy all at an incredibly low levels. I was even suicidal for a couple of days (no idea why, i have a pretty good life). There was a level of disassociation with my self that just felt odd. Until day 4 when my TRT had begun to work and i began to feel like a normal person.

When i first self diagnosed as a Low T adult i had to fight my GP and the Endocrinologist at every step. They were all dismissive and had to be lead by the nose to a point where i threated to report them to the general medical council if they didn't take my situation more seriously. This was 4 years ago in the UK. I don't think things have improved. If you suffer from mood and energy related symptoms, get checked. Do your own research, and don't take no for an answer. Your life might literally depend on your ability to argue for appropriate treatment for yourself.

[-] AGallopingMonkey 1 Point 10 months ago

Why sort of water are you on that completely clears your system in 3 days? You on acetate as TRT?

[-] RedpillAcolyte 3 Points 10 months ago

GLO - I was going to message you about this privately, but your advice may be helpful to others here:

I am 22, have sub-250 T levels, and don’t know what to do. I found TRP about a year ago and suspected something was up so I went to get tested. Just like you said, I was advised by my GP that my sub-250 levels are normal, he absolutely would not prescribe, and made me feel crazy.

Reading articles like the OP scares me - how can I take things into my own hands if the Psychological and Medical communities have already been corrupted?

[-] Selexus 5 Points 10 months ago

Are you suffering any noticeable symptoms ? If not then your T levels are irrelevant.

However.....if you are suffering energy, mood, memory, or motivational symptoms then yes, you need to get treatment.

Adopt the mindset that YOU are in charge of your health management. Not your GP, not some guy on the internet, YOU.

Do your research, understand what things like LH, and FSH levels mean. Understand primary and secondary hypergonadism. Then when you present your symptoms to the medical professional, you can educate them. And trust me, unless you have a very modern thinking doctor, you WILL have to educate them.

Low T can be caused by many factors. From poor diet and lifestyle, through to brain tumors.

I'm in the UK which is behind the US in this field, and i was told my levels were "within range". which is complete BS. The NHS guidelines are just that, not hard rules. New EU guidelines placed me in the discretionary treatment category. I explained this (with documentation) to my GP and explained to him that i needed to be referred to an endocrinologist.

Also be aware that TRT is not without it's problems. Excess estrogen can be an issue (Testosterone can be metabolized into estrogen). Prostate cancer can be accelerated when on TRT, and proper PSA level monitoring should be included in any treatment regime.

Don't just jump on TRT without the backing of doctors. Advise to grab this stuff on the darkweb should be ignored. Ask anyone who recommends this to describe why testicular atrophy is an issue, and when they cant tell them to fuck off.

[-] Isbjornsolo 3 Points 10 months ago

Get your diet, sleep & training in order (heavy weights, low reps) these are the foundation of T production. Then it should start to increase. Get a retest every 3-6 months depending on how much it costs & what you can afford.

[-] Intel81994 1 Point 10 months ago

take it into your own hands - fuck the medical establishment. Get Test E 250 from the darknet domestic delivered within the UK. Should be easy enough and this will probably be the biggest turning point of your life. Use insulin neeldes 29guage to pin about .3-.4ml twice a week Monday and Thursday. problem solved, your test level will be in the high of natural range

[-] 4matting 2 Points 10 months ago

The end goal is to make everyone the same. Trans are whatever they want, women are free to be men, and men must be women.

They want to overcome their biology, and be free.

[-] CainPrice 3 Points 10 months ago

Biology scares women. Because men are stronger than women. Any man, if he really wanted to, could beat, murder, rape, or rob a woman if he caught her alone and unaware. 99.999 percent of men never would, but any one man could.

Women are constantly aware of the men in the room, watching for creepy or dangerous signs, careful not to be caught alone with men they don't know or don't trust. There's this constant...if not fear, at least awareness of men all the time.

The only reason a woman makes it from home to work and home again each day without being raped or murdered is because every man she crosses that day chose to behave well. But any one man could have behaved badly, and that day would have become the worst day of her life. Women are completely powerless and completely dependent upon men choosing to behave well. The only reason they have any rights at all is because men play along and let them.

This is a maddening situation for women. When something trivial happens, like a loser at a bar not taking a hint or some construction worker catcalling, this is a smack in the face for the woman in question, because it is an ever-present reminder that men don't have to take her comfort into account if they don't want to. The only reason she ever has comfort to begin with is if men let her have it.

Women feel powerless, all the time, and scared, all the time, and this whole feminism thing is women lashing out in anger, trying to neuter and indoctrinate boys when they're young. It's an attempt to use social engineering to compensate for biology - the fact that men are stronger.

[-] 4matting 2 Points 10 months ago

What never ceases to baffle me, is seeing large men in our society walking with their tail between their legs, and bold little men.

It's similar to dogs in a way, were we are strict on the big dogs because we fear the damage they could do, but we let the little ones do whatever they want because they're non-threatening. Which leads to submissive big dogs, and bold little shits.

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[-] Adolf_Ramen 1 Point 10 months ago

Is this what you were thinking of? ttps://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5ks0pe/feminine_society_hates_chemistry

[-] CainPrice 3 Points 10 months ago

Yeah! There it is. That entire thread, top to bottom, is a fun read.

[-] chadwickofwv 8 Points 10 months ago

I honestly don't think feminism is going to survive the next 10 years. They are going full batshit crazy, censor everything right now because they can see their end staring them in the face. That does not mean that we should back down from exposing their stupidity in the least though, that would give them too much breathing room.

[-] jazerac 4 Points 10 months ago

Jesus... I am seperated from my wife right now, she isn't taking a dime from me and is being totally cool. She is a 7 at best and has a good head on her shoulders. Maybe I should count my blessings and work through my problems vs trying to tag young ass.

I don't want to deal with the future of women and this country... its going to be a mess.

[-] Feelinggood702 3 Points 10 months ago

God that second paragraph was hard to read lmao

[-] Vaninea 3 Points 10 months ago

The term "toxic masculine" is bullshit the same way "toxic feminine" or whatever the female equivalent is called is bullshit. Not too long ago we just called people who treat others like shit or do bad things assholes or pieces of shit. Furthermore, one instance of someone acting like or being an asshole does not warrant being slapped with whatever overreaching shitty label someone wants to use. You can act like an asshole once, but that doesn't make you an asshole all the time. Everything has to have a label nowadays. Every human interaction shouldn't have to be so carefully calculated. This tiptoeing through a never-ending landmine is exhausting.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 10 months ago

It’s all so vomit inducing

[-] blr1998 2 Points 10 months ago

it’s great how predictable all this shit is, and I understand there isn’t much we can do about.

[-] McVaghunter 1 Point 10 months ago

Hard working honest guy who's trying to make his marriage work

more like "stupid beta bucks who's chosen to get married in this day and age instead of staying single, working out and fucking all the teenage girls he wants". But I agree, this document will be used to trap even the bluepilled single guys.

The rules of the game are getting harder but the redpilled man will always end up winning.

[-] GayLubeOil 28 Points 10 months ago

Be as alpha as you want. Fuck as many women as you want. Bloops will still use your masculintity against you. You think HR won't weponize this or some derivative of this in 10 years?

[-] CrimsonShiv 1 Point 10 months ago

What would you suggest then? Ride the Tiger?

[-] JonathanMekerset 2 Points 10 months ago

Inject minimum 2000mg test every day and make sure to eat bull testicles and you won’t have any issues

[-] Pascolino 1 Point 10 months ago

Feels like cheating but fuck them. We win.

[-] AbusiveFather1 -5 Point 10 months ago

What about marrying for money or say if you don't have a home?

[-] wrekd 0 Points 10 months ago

No fault divorces means there is nothing to weaponize.

[-] GayLubeOil 10 Points 10 months ago

Then you dont understand how custody works.

[-] wrekd 1 Point 10 months ago

I have 4 kids. I know how it works as I pay $1200 a month for 50% shared custody. And it's not the same everywhere. In Ohio you might have a point. In PA where I live, you do not as divorce, custody, and support are all separate filings in separate court systems.

[-] warlordchad 150 Points 10 months ago

The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful. Men socialized in this way are less likely to engage in healthy behaviors.

Bullshit.

Men raised to be uncompetitive pussies who can't control their emotions will be unhappy from cradle to grave. These men will never have a good relationship with women--in fact, many won't get laid at all, and if they do it will be the true definition of "getting lucky." These men will have shitty careers because they can't compete or persevere when faced with adversity. And they'll suffer anxiety and depression constantly because they've been taught to fight against their true nature.

The irony is that the more this becomes the narrative, the more profitable it is to adhere to TRP. Every guy who applies even some of this philosophy has a huge advantage over the beta cucks society is so hell bent on raising. It's sad: as a man I rage at the injustice being done to our boys; at the same time, it's never been easier to game women if you know what you're doing. It's like offering steak to someone who's accustomed to living on a diet of celery.

[-] CainPrice 32 Points 10 months ago

It's a crazy system. Society teaches boys that masculinity is outdated and that you don't have to be masculine.

Then the boys grow up non-masculine and nobody likes them. Nobody wants to date, fuck, hire, or promote them, or be their friend. They fail at life and they're unhappy and they kill themselves.

Then, the very movement that told them they didn't have to be masculine turns around and says that they didn't kill themselves because they failed at life. They killed themselves because of masculinity. They were just so depressed at not living up to an outdated definition of masculinity and couldn't take it, and if only we could completely eliminate the notion of masculinity, they wouldn't have been unhappy.

[-] Feelinggood702 14 Points 10 months ago

I think celery is too kind. More like dog food lol. More nutrients but you’d fucking stay the hell away from it

[-] Avertus 13 Points 10 months ago

It's because at this point the academe and the courts have fully legitimized and weaponized man-hatred, and now every male in the United States (and soon other countries in the West) is gonna be forced with the life-or-death choice to take the Red Pill.

[-] lighthouse143 7 Points 10 months ago

Woke up and read the article. Not often that I reflect and realize how fortunate I am to have found this community. Unfortunately with not only the quarantine, but also the state of modern media, it’s unlikely that this forum will reach the men who need it most. While this is a sad thought, I feel great knowing that I have an advantage over 98% of men because I can see through a red pill lens.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 6 Points 10 months ago

I’d be dead if i didn’t find this community. The existential disorientation i suffered for years and inability to make heads or tails of the repeating errors I kept falling into— I’ll never fully recover from it. The anger is so primal and almost psychopathic but it’s like rocket fuel and I’m just using it to get jacked and rich. Our society will burn.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 6 Points 10 months ago

It’s completely disgusting. Meanwhile women are so hungry for non pussies they are consuming abuse porn like never before. Fuck I hate our soft leftist infested society.

[-] TruthSeekingPerson 105 Points 10 months ago

Western civilization is going to cuck out and then get taken over by a more masculine culture. Absolutely no self-awareness or sense of history.

[-] panconquesofrito 44 Points 10 months ago

This is exactly what will happen.

[-] Avertus 23 Points 10 months ago

Place your bet: East Asia, Eastern Europe, the Islamic world, or Latin America

[-] Sparky159 24 Points 10 months ago

At this rate, I'm going to bet on the Islamic world. They have a reputation of taking over other countries cultures in a more violent way, unlike {[(other races)]} who will subvert an entire country through controlling logistics

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 17 Points 10 months ago

No no no. They are too primitive and divided. No Islamic country has its shit even remotely together enough to actually challenge even a greatly weakened west. Plus they have so much animosity between Shia and Sunni. They are merely a force of destabilization of the West. Conquest by Islam is not a real threat. Maybe we get dragged into more bullshit middle eastern conflicts. But again that would just be destabilization. China is the true civilizational threat.

[-] Atheist_Utopia 1 Point 10 months ago

Our country will indeed be taking over the West :)

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 10 months ago

Are you Chinese?

I don’t know if I’d say “take over the West” as in conquer. But China will definitely supersede the West and become predominant.

[-] Atheist_Utopia 1 Point 10 months ago

Born in the East, raised in the West. How's that for perspective

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 10 months ago

I’m sure it’s gnarly to observe the political and cultural trends.

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[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 10 months ago

Islamists have only ever been a scapegoat or used as war fodder. They're not the real threat. They're hired hands so to speak. The Trojan horse.

[-] Quo210 19 Points 10 months ago

Don't count on LATAM.

Mexico and Venezuela are bastions of the extreme political left. Those are dead.

Chile and Argentina are brewing their own putrid breed of feminists. Not long ago a guy with a Radio Show in Buenos Aires had to choose between prison or having a "specialist in gender issues" give a "class" daily on his radio for 10min without questions, interruptions and total agreement from him. This was because he made a comment that could be only be considered sexist by oversensitive shitheads. All was government enforced.

As a general rule, anything that happens in USA, Portugal and Spain travels very quickly to LATAM.

I'd the say the Chinese. They are already buying half of Venezuela's corporations due to a progressive "debt-payment" and have their fingers on a good part of this continent.

[-] JonathanMekerset 16 Points 10 months ago

Chinese people laugh at American “issues.”

“I want job, I want wife, I want famry” is their mindset. They don’t give a fuck.

China sends bloops and crazies to rehab camps to normalize them. There are hundreds of stories of people who act out disappearing and then reappearing after years of rehabilitation.

If you protest, you disappear. If you write an article demonizing masculinity, you disappear.

China doesn’t fuck around. I’d agree with your sentiment.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 12 Points 10 months ago

It’s totally obvious it’s China. No other part of the world really has its shit together enough to overtake the west even as it weakens. They may infiltrate opportunistically like the Muslims and Africans in Europe at the moment, but that’s different from actual conquest.

[-] jazerac 4 Points 10 months ago

"famry" lmao thanks for the laugh

[-] Imperator_Red 7 Points 10 months ago

East Asia is the only contender. The others are all too fucked up in their own ways.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 4 Points 10 months ago

Thank you. Don’t know how this isn’t more obvious to these guys.

[-] HarshaCity 6 Points 10 months ago

I'm from the Islamic world and I can safely say that you shouldn't worry about us because of the internet and media, we are following your steps slowly but surely.

Also, no one's going to allow an Islamic cultural overtaking, "Oh, we are going down because we have weak social values? Well, you are going down because you are weak in military". I believe that we are heading to a state of dystopia because of the political and the ecological crises that are waiting to happen. The nations that have been hoarding weaponry all over these past years will go full Peter Baelish and use this chaos as a ladder. absolutely no room for something as peaceful as a cultural overtaking.

[-] topopox 3 Points 10 months ago

Latin America is being pussyfied too.

We can only pray that Bolsonaro would do a good Influence.

Otherwise, the world will be Islamic or under Chinese control.

[-] Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 2 Points 10 months ago

If islam dominates the culture, I would laugh a lot. It is not as bad as some doomsayers present, a %100 enemy can turn in to %100 ally with 1 oath after all.

[-] TruthSeekingPerson 1 Point 10 months ago

Islam is spreading into Western Countries. They are masculine they do honor killings. Women couldn't even drive in Saudi Arabia a few years ago. They are spreading into the void that weak feminists are providing.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 10 months ago

Yeah but they’re only a force of destabilization and opportunism. They are not a civilizational conquest threat in the least.

[-] TruthSeekingPerson 1 Point 10 months ago

You may be underestimating how many Muslims are in Europe and how few Christians still have their masculinity. Time will tell.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 10 months ago

Na, you’re overestimating. Even in the countries densest with Muslims, it’s like 10%. And they don’t have any military and they’re shit organizers etc. The biggest threat they pose is more destabilization. There’s no way they actually conquer Europe.

[-] apost54 1 Point 10 months ago

Honestly, anywhere but the Islamic world. Westerners are by and large against Islam (even though there are some SJWs who like it, it’s not a popular opinion).

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[-] Xevalous 1 Point 10 months ago

I still believe that us red pilled men will hold up Western civilization, but I wouldn't be surprised if it fragments significantly.

[-] smallhammerbigarm 13 Points 10 months ago

Like the Etruscans being taken over by the Romans.

[-] CainPrice 11 Points 10 months ago

I'm hoping there's some kind of natural disaster or something first. Or a trade war maybe. The western world doesn't have to get taken over. There just needs to be a period of time where food on the table isn't a guarantee and people start shooting each other for resources.

A year or two of life with real problems, where people have to worry about having enough to eat and not getting shot, and stupid ideologies and trivial shit like women's rights goes out the window in favor of shit that works: manly men who know how to produce or acquire food being treated with respect by people who want food.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 8 Points 10 months ago

China is going to start asserting dominance and calling our bluff geopolitically.

The Islamic world is too primitive and divided to truly take over the west. They will still be a force of our destabilization tho. And we could get dragged into a Sunni-Shia mega war that would engulf the whole Middle East.

Russia will continue to expand its orbit and throwing fuel on the fire of western unraveling. But it’s not powerful enough to truly overtake the west.

It’s China to whom the future belongs. They will at some point make the west bend the knee to their predominance. Their men may be pretty blue pill but the leadership is hell bent on restoring China to the center of world power. It will probably happen by 2050.

And don’t forget, China is an ethno State. The Han will rule the east. It’s this that makes me think there is a certain inebitability to a white ethno state emerging sometime this century.

I’m not pro white nationalist or anything at the moment. But once the west realizes how fucked it is, and how it needs to compete with all its might against the Han Chinese to avoid getting prison wifed, there will be a strong movement to return to some kind of euro traditionalist state with high % white.

[-] OSaraiva 2 Points 10 months ago

It's already on. Leftist parties and politicians in Europe are losing elections to right and far right parties even against all the fright and propaganda machinery.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 10 months ago

Right that’s kinda my point about Islam not be a conquering threat. It’s certainly a force of social fraying and destabilization and strained welfare state. But even now just at 10% Muslim population in the densest countries, the native euros are already fed up. There won’t be conquest by Islam. It’s still a negative force/presence tho and doesn’t fucking mix.

The right wing groups who are winning are not quite as euro trad ethno nationalist as I am thinking will emerge in the future. The world order is unraveling and war will become either reality or a real threat at least. Big existential war. This will force euro countries to take a hard look at priorities and probably go closer to ethno state.

[-] AfricanBushDoctor 4 Points 10 months ago

South America is currently making their move right now at the Mexican border. Give it a decade or two my brothers from the jungle would start pouring in as well and trust me they embody all the aforementioned toxic masculine characteristics.

[-] max2k18 1 Point 10 months ago

Ironically that culture will be a lot more worth living in.

[-] dogenes09 89 Points 10 months ago

For just a moment I started to get angry. Then I started laughing as I realized: they can say whatever they want, but it’s irrelevant. You can’t change hundreds of thousands of years of biological evolution and natural selection with poorly conceived lies.
I’m not taking about the nature of man. I’m talking about the nature of women.

Men are aggressive and dominant and stoic because that’s what women select. And women select for it because that’s what works and has worked all the time, everywhere, in every form, regardless of the greater social mores, narratives and context. So good luck.

Witness me Nietzsche. Witness me Epictetus. Shit on these people Diogenes.

[-] Imperator_Red 18 Points 10 months ago

You can’t change hundreds of thousands of years of biological evolution and natural selection with poorly conceived lies.

You can't change our biology with lies.... but you can certainly fuck up our society beyond repair. Communism is based on a lies. Nobody living in the communist block changed their biology, but those societies are all fucked up now because the communists tried to impose their will on the people.

[-] dogenes09 5 Points 10 months ago

That’s ok. Communism always eventually fails and so will this. The price of success is eventually you have to lose it all in order to start again and relearn lessons. I just hope I’m still alive when the world remembers that you don’t have to build civilization on lies.

[-] Imperator_Red 4 Points 10 months ago

Yea it fails but at what cost? You definitely won't be around for some sort of glorious rebirth.

[-] dogenes09 6 Points 10 months ago

Everything. That’s the point. There is no saving anything. It has to implode to create context for relearning the importance of stoicism and assertive/aggressive action, competition, et all.

Hopefully it won’t be too Mad Max of a society in the post-matriarchy.

[-] FKaroundNfindOUT 1 Point 10 months ago

This guy reminds me of the "chaos" expert on the first Jurassic Park movie.

It'll be mad max mixed with equilibrium style awakens.

It's gonna be biblical.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 10 Points 10 months ago

Dude Nietzsche would shitting a cinderblock if he could observe today. During his day prior to WWI, there were a lot of the same idiotic social trends of “progress” and softening of men etc that he railed against. He would be going bananas today.

George Carlin too. Man I wish he survived to witness this stuff. He was ranting against political correctness and pussification of American men since the 90s. Holy fuck man we have entered bizarro world.

[-] dogenes09 3 Points 10 months ago

Im glad neither of them are alive to see this. They both knew it was coming. That's enough pain for them to endure.

[-] AllahHatesFags 4 Points 10 months ago

The problem is when parents take their sons to shrinks who drug them with estrogen or something for having too much "toxic masculinity".

[-] dogenes09 2 Points 10 months ago

Yes. A lot of lives will have to be destroyed before things get better.

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[-] wrekd 0 Points 10 months ago

Yup. We would need a stable 100k years. We aren't even in for a stable 20 years based on current climate trends. Both the geopolitical climate and the actual weather.

[-] juddshanks 62 Points 10 months ago

Even if you don't agree with its premise, the APA paper is worth a read.

The interesting thing is that by running through statistics like suicide, homicide and homicide victimization it does recognise one thing that a lot of people on here would probably agree with - that a large group of men aren't doing too well in modern society.

But what is absurd is the authors suggest that being stoic is shorthand for unhealthily repressing your emotions.

There's nothing wrong or unmanly about having an emotional response to stimuli, but strong men understand they dont need to be ruled by their emotions, and that it's usually possible to feel something and resolve that feeling internally without expressing it and without letting emotion get in the way of making a rational decision. That's not repressing emotion, it's about being smart enough to realise that emotions don't need to rule your decisions or govern how you behave.

It is pretty fucking obvious that there was a point in early human history, probably about the time where people figured out how to sharpen spears or bang rocks together, where the ability to keep your emotions in check and think rationally when exposed to stimulus became a positive, desirable evolutionary trait for a male hunter/protector/breadwinner. You're going to struggle to spear that sabre tooth tiger and come home in one piece if you're raging out or whimpering in fear and the same is true in pretty much any professional context in the 21st century

[-] CainPrice 32 Points 10 months ago

Modern psychology has gotten things backward.

Masculine men aren't killing themselves. The captain of the football team who's invited to all of the coolest parties and has sex every weekend that goes on to network his way into a good job isn't killing himself or going on a shooting rampage.

The guys who go crazy are the non-masculine men. Skinny or fat, under-confident, non-aggressive introverts that nobody wants to date, fuck, hire, promote, or befriend. The macho high school quarterback isn't the one who shoots up the school. It's always the quiet weirdo nobody likes.

Non-masculine men are the depressed, suicidal, and murderous/dangerous men. Not the masculine ones.

But when modern psychology notices that many men have mental health issues, get depressed, and commit suicide, they declare that masculinity is the problem.

They think that the reason these men are killing themselves is because they are depressed about the outdated standards of masculinity that they aren't meeting. It has nothing to do with the fact that they're lonely and nobody wants to date or have sex with them, nobody wants to be their friend, and they can't find a good job and nobody wants to hire or promote them. Nope. It has nothing to do with them failing at life. Not at all. The real reason they're upset is a word definition. They're upset because they don't feel like a real man, and if only we could do away with the notion of masculinity, they'd be happy. Despite their life being a complete failure, if we could pat them on the head and tell them they're still a real man, it would all be better.

[-] AstralAeonSoul 8 Points 10 months ago

Another thing to add to your point: I forgot where I read this, but the vast majority of school shooters were raised by single mothers.

Single mothers raise emasculated boys. Children imitate. The boys have no real father figure to imitate, so imitate the mother and become feminized. This leads to them becoming betas nobody wants to fuck, befriend, etc.

The feminized boys get depressed like you mentioned, and voila, you have the perfect recipe for a school shooting.

Then school shootings are partially blamed on toxic masculinity. As a 'countermeasure', masculinity is further discouraged, and more feminized betas are raised. And so, the cycle continues.

[-] tempolaca 2 Points 10 months ago

Single mothers raise emasculated boys.

I don't think so. Some of my friends raised by single mothers are not emasculated at all.

But they raise broken boys, that's for sure.

[-] AstralAeonSoul 3 Points 10 months ago

I should have clarified that this doesn't happen 100% of the time. But most single mothers will raise boys the way they'd raise a girl, which is feminine. And thus - a lot of the time - you end up with betaized boys as I previously mentioned.

[-] AllahHatesFags 7 Points 10 months ago

Exactly this. Chad Thundercock isn't shooting up the school, the kiss-less virgin incel who was raised by a single mother is.

[-] Throndor_Rising 1 Point 10 months ago

Chad, we're going to need you to weigh in on this. Paging Chad Thundercock. *snickers*

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[-] CainPrice 5 Points 10 months ago

Nah. Things have gotten weird ever since we had a push to equalize things.

The chess team nerds who got bullied by the football team used to carry themselves with a quiet dignity and had a little bro-circle going on among the nerds, and eventually they got good jobs, and even wives, and life was fine. None of them shot the school up or shot themselves over being bullied or not having a prom date.

They knew what was expected of them as far as being men, and they knew where they stood as far as that expectation was concerned, and they had a plan, and they reaped the consequences of the weak points of their plan and enjoyed the benefits of the strong points of their plan. They weren't as masculine as other guys, but they owned who they were and got what they expected out of the way they lived their lives. None of the chess team nerds thought they were entitled to the same life the quarterback had and shot up the school over it. They knew who they were and they were okay with it.

Today, society tells young boys that masculinity is outdated and there's no need to be masculine. In fact, it's better not to be masculine because masculinity is bad.

So the boys grow up non-masculine, but whoops, society forgot to tell women that they're supposed to date and have sex with these non-masculine boys, and to tell men that they're supposed to be friends with these non-masculine boys, and to tell employers that they're supposed to hire these non-masculine boys. And now we have these non-masculine losers who think it's virtuous to be non-masculine and that they were supposed to be recognized as good for being non-masculine, but whoops, nobody wants to fuck them after all.

[-] awalt_cupcake 19 Points 10 months ago

yeah it's very fishy. They address real issues that we should all work on but then frame those traits as the culprit. Smells like brainwashing to me.

[-] tempolaca 42 Points 10 months ago

Remember: This is not the doing of women or feminism. They don't really have any power. This is the doing of stupid men.

[-] BobbyPeru 28 Points 10 months ago

This is the doing of stupid men.

It’s always the white knight cucks who do the dirty work.

[-] cupshadow 18 Points 10 months ago

No, it's a combined effort.

Many researchers who study femininity also work on masculinity: Several contributors to the guidelines for girls and women have also contributed to the new guidelines for boys and men.

Do you think these researchers are male only? Men don't have a say about femininity in our society.

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[-] Avertus 16 Points 10 months ago

Hard times create strong men.

Strong men create good times.

Good times create weak men.

Weak men create hard times.

[-] SKRedPill 2 Points 10 months ago

This will keep happening as long as men commit to these agendas.

Many top tier men politically support feminism because it gives them easy sexual access.

[-] fizztea 33 Points 10 months ago

this kind of shit is already being propagated in the already cucked software industry.The corp i interned at last summer,hr always told us to report any observance of "bro" culture,how women should be given opportunities over a more competent man as part of diversity and BS.How they are equal and whatever.

Fun fact is women knew all this and made sure to use their pussy pass every time.

Silicon valley should go back to the 70's-80's era where neckbeards and strongwilled men ruled.

[-] whatsthisgarg 11 Points 10 months ago

(large fortune 500) always told us to report any observance of "bro" culture

lol how did they word that? Did they really say "bro" culture?

[-] fizztea 20 Points 10 months ago

Yeah they straight up said bro culture.

Also they use emoji's on company slack to communicate, faggy af.

The female manager was more redpilled than most of the males in our department.

[-] whatsthisgarg 13 Points 10 months ago

that is hilarious in a sick way.

Proper response is laugh to yourself, keep your mouth shut, and keep doing what you're doing.

Then there will be the times when a woman will say "god why do I have to make all the decisions?" or something like that and you just step in and make it easy for her

[-] MoDuReddit 9 Points 10 months ago

Good, let them destroy themselves even more so that they can't censor the internet any more. There'll always be tech centers that don't cuck themselves elsewhere.

[-] Quo210 7 Points 10 months ago

Was by any chance Riot Games?

They had problems months ago about this issue in this very wording.

Bunch of feminazis mounted an attack on the corporation's "bro culture" and made a bunch of baseless claims with no evidence beyond vocally denouncing. No emails, no written things, no video tapes. They brought nothing, just claims, and still got a lot of noise done.

[-] fizztea 3 Points 10 months ago

no but it is a moderately large company in silicon valley. Developers know it well.

[-] Heizenbrg 5 Points 10 months ago

This is why as a new grad I'm no longer looking at opportunities in the Bay Area but the East Coast. Culturally I did not fit well at all with all the cucks being afraid of any comment or anything that goes against them. Hell you cant even make a joke in San Francisco anymore without someone getting offended.

[-] Xevalous 2 Points 10 months ago

How's the pussy for a red pilled man? I'm a Midwestern blue collar man and I've considered taking some vacation in California to cull the pussy.

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[-] fizztea 1 Point 10 months ago

Yup,Seattle or midwest is the place to go.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 4 Points 10 months ago

Idk I have two buddies in Seattle and they’re pretty cucked. Seattle is libtard central dude. The entirety of both coasts are toast.

[-] fizztea 3 Points 10 months ago

We still have Florida and some southern states on the east coast but yeah the west coast has been ruined.

Is Seattle is ruined aswell where can a young software engineer like me go to.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 4 Points 10 months ago

I mean you can try Seattle and move if you don’t like it. Software engineering travels well. You could try Boise or Denver or Austin or salt lake or Phoenix or Dallas. Denver is pretty cucked now too tho.

Or actually you make a good point about the south east coast. Atlanta or the Carolinas are appealing to me.

[-] fizztea 2 Points 10 months ago

Houston,Austin are cucked as well. Many tech jobs there.

I am thinking about leaving tech and just buying a large farm somewhere in the Midwest mostly kansas.

[-] WinjetRed 28 Points 10 months ago

Seems like more of the boys are defective girls shit. Its fuckjng scary this is really starting to become main stream through in school and in science. What the fucknis wrong with a boy just being left alone to be a boy.

[-] TitusBjarni 21 Points 10 months ago

I know what you mean, but boys "left alone" will not become men. It's too easy to be a weak boy.

What the fucknis wrong with a boy just being left alone to be a boy.

To women, this means preventing fathers from imposing their "toxic masculinity" on their child. The fact that boys are just "left alone" by their fathers is a major issue.

[-] WinjetRed 8 Points 10 months ago

Yes I def didtn mean left alone literally. Left alone from people telling them to act contrary to their perfectly acceptable nature.

[-] awalt_cupcake 3 Points 10 months ago

> Yes I def didtn mean left alone literally.

It's not you man, I'm glad I found this community but there are some serious internet autists here.

[-] TitusBjarni 3 Points 10 months ago

I didn't misinterpret what he said. That's why I started my reply with:

I know what you mean

I just wanted to demonstrate how women would misinterpret his comment. Best to be precise with your language.

[-] WinjetRed 1 Point 10 months ago

I'm glad I found it too. My red pill journey has gone through its share of pendulum swings from one extreme to the other. Glad it's more centered now and I can take in the good and filter out the bad and just enjoy it.

[-] ARUKET 1 Point 10 months ago

I don't entirely agree with your first two sentences. Boys are very well served guidance from their fathers and other masculine role models, but don't forget we have such a massive cuck problem in large part due to the social engineering that starts at birth and continues ad infinitum. Boys are not just being left to be boys.

[-] TitusBjarni 3 Points 10 months ago

Boys are not just being left to be boys.

Nor have they probably ever been by women. Women have always retarded the development of boys into men. It's up to men to take control of this process.

I'm not a father, so I don't have first-hand experience, but it seems to me like a great father could override a lot of cultural bullshit. Just like TRP overrides a lot of cultural bullshit.

Some people talk about home schooling their boys. It seems to me like that may result in the boy having a "culture shock" when he grows up and realizes the culture he was sheltered from despises his unapologetic masculinity. Seems best to me to teach your boy to resist the culture himself at an earlier age, so he doesn't just end up being a cuck later in life when he finally does recognize what his culture is like.

[-] ARUKET 2 Points 10 months ago

Fathers often tend to be very hands off with their sons - they have a presence, and are there to discipline and support them when necessary, but few are really there to guide them and teach them everything. I think this kind of father is extremely necessary now. If you leave your children to their own devices, they will likely end up fully assimilated into this nightmare culture we're currently living in.

[-] BobbyPeru 27 Points 10 months ago

Unfortunately, this seems like a logical next step taken against men.

The politics against men in the last decade is unprecedented, and it seems to be escalating. The worst part is the white knights (our own sex) are doing most of the dirty work.

[-] Radioactivebuny 25 Points 10 months ago

Can’t rape women if you fucking kill yourself before you hit puberty, right?

Because that’s what this is gonna do. As if a bullet weren’t already appetizing enough for the average man. Can you imagine being a kid growing up in this shit? Jesus Christ, man.

The masculine spirit is hard as fuck to subjugate and control, hence their want to get rid of it.

Convince me the New World Order and a want to eradicate unsubjugated peoples and those who are very hard to subjugate isn’t a thing.

Because I can’t convince myself.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 7 Points 10 months ago

Yeah this shit will be used in three ways I can see right off the top of my head:

  1. Like gaylubeoil said, it will be weaponised in marriage therapy and divorce courts to give women even more upper hand.

  2. It will be used in corporate culture and HR departments in a similar way to subjugate or purge any dissenting males.

  3. Males entering therapy for personal problems will be fed this shit which will just deepen their confusion and alienation from a healthy, competitive, and thus functional male identity.

I fucking hate this country.

[-] Radioactivebuny 1 Point 10 months ago

I love this country, but I hate (and when I say hate, I mean good old fashioned slow building never stopping lifetime companion hate) those that are destroying all that she is.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 10 months ago

Right. It’s a deep burning hatred that will be with me probably my whole life, because frankly that’s probably how long it will take for America to feel sane again (at least).

But yeah I used to love this country but I hate what it’s become and the forces that have taken us here, combined with their self righteousness.

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 21 Points 10 months ago

I just saw this and came here to discuss. Absolute Madness.

This is what the cultural marxism of the Frankfurt School gets us: a war on guys

edit - to anyone who wants an actual and dumbed down explanation: World War 2 scared the hell out of a group of leftist psychologists. To them, inside every man was a potential Nazi (which is of course ridiculous). In order to stop this from happening, psychologists like Erich Fromm and Theodore Adorno in the late 40's and 1950's encouraged boys to be socialized and taught like girls in the classroom and to have children sexualized at a young age. Ta-da welcome to the Frankfurt School.

tip of the iceberg. go read deeper for yourself.

[-] ZoroasterFlame 12 Points 10 months ago

Inside every WOMAN is a fascist.

[-] Battagliare 10 Points 10 months ago

Frankfurt school started before ww2, alongside with cultural marxism at Germany. And failed socialist revolution at 1919.

Makes you think why natsoc came into rule with overwhelmingly majority of votes...

[-] KrustyKrabReject 0 Points 10 months ago

Frankfurt school were all jewish. Would have been better if they were slaughtered in the streets.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 21 Points 10 months ago

Traditional masculinity built the world.

It hunted, it repaired, it learnt, it explored....you could go on forever.

This is the end stage of diseased feminism- they're now declaring "traditional masculinity" to be toxic.

Without traditional masculinity, there would be no civilisation. If our world had instead just had femininity, we would instead be living in mud hats, dancing around them holding hands while looking up at the moon and chanting how powerful we are, then cowering inside them when tigers came near.

Women have polluted modern science, psychology and sociology.

It's time to reject feminism AND a society that sees masculinity as not "different from us" but as "wrong".

[-] Avertus 5 Points 10 months ago

Traditional masculinity enabled our species to evolve and survive in the first place.

I don't think it's a coincidence that just as learning about how the bodies of early humans function enable a healthier diet (i.e. paleo/keto/zerocarb), so as learning about how the minds of our ancestors work help understand intersexual dynamics better.

[-] chadwickofwv 1 Point 10 months ago

If our world had instead just had femininity, we would instead be living in mud hats, dancing around them holding hands while looking up at the moon and chanting how powerful we are, then cowering inside them when tigers came near.

What makes you thing we would have made it to mud huts? I doubt those were invented by women, much like steel framed buildings of today, men designed and built them.

[-] RevolutionaryGround7 20 Points 10 months ago

In the UK we have this push to equalise mental health spending with physical health. The agenda is supposedly to normalise and de-pathologise mental illness. Really though its about control. Men are the biggest threat to the elites' control and if you can state that men are mentally ill just by being born you can lock them up without trial. Now obviously they won't do it en masse (not least because they can't afford to and people will start to notice and care) but like in the old soviet regimes political male prisoners who show male traits (i.e. the ability to resist) will be at least given toxic drugs and also frequently sectioned.

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What can we do? 2019 has to be the year men wake up and start making every decision in mens best interest alone. So red pill at the least, ideally MGTOW, every spending decision that you can has to push those agendas and every time you vote or comment make sure it is in mens interest alone. If there is an anti male film or TV programme, do not watch it, in fact if a business shows signs of being anti male e.g. google stop using it and use something else if possible. The time for action in everything you do is right now.

[-] ARUKET 7 Points 10 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

This is a driving force behind the "moderates" trying to link firearm rights to mental health in the US. Masculinity here is being labelled as a form of mental illness. Racism is next. Anyone who doesn't agree with whatever insane agendas the globohomos come up with is going to be considered unwell and put on drugs & have various rights restricted.

[-] LowSpecTea 18 Points 10 months ago

This is spooky. Very spooky...

I will say though, I'm not surprised that they view these traits as not healthy behaviours. By their new definition, many many many successful dudes out there who are built on these core values are effectively mentally ill.

It's a different gender twisted demonization of success- but this existed in the past before. Probably just salty from being paid like shit for all these years and decided to demonize traits that makes others great (partly sarcasm). I'm truly worried for the children but as the other guy said- being TRP aware young adult....Yay! More for me in like 5-10 years as this all plays out!

But I'm genuinely curious if anyone else does it- Do you find yourself playing Dumb/Beta in socially brainwashed settings ala LAW #21- Play a sucker to catch a sucker-seem dumber than your mark?

(Not locations/situations Where Game is actively applied obviously)

[-] awalt_cupcake 13 Points 10 months ago

In social settings I am a class clown borderline retard. I'm like a celebrity guest off a PBS kids episode, making people smile and feel good. No one suspects me as a shitlord.

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[-] CainPrice 9 Points 10 months ago

Most of my friends, all of my coworkers, and every women I meet from online all think I'm a liberal, sex-positive feminist.

I don't talk about politics, feminism or men's rights, or The Red Pill in the real world. Just on the internet. In the real world, I act in a subtle Red Pill way that gets me laid, all while talking the talk and walking the walk of a liberal sex-positive feminist.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 10 months ago

Shit I don’t know if I could maintain that. I enjoy triggering shithead liberals sense of sanctimonious moral superiority too much.

[-] CainPrice 4 Points 10 months ago

There's a certain satisfaction in being completely underestimated, and nobody ever knowing who you really are.

Letting somebody else be wrong and stupid and think they've convinced you of something while you know what's really going on is fun. And being right without having to prove yourself or make other people feel wrong. Just watching everything play out the way you thought it would. It's fun.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 10 months ago

Yeah I’ve increasingly seen the futility of trying to convince liberals. They just try and cast you as low status anyway. That’s an annoyance I can do without.

[-] cupshadow 15 Points 10 months ago

I live in South America and fear that we don't have anything like TRP here. The trends in the USA, sooner of later, gets here and reading about this feels more like predicting the future. It's unavoidable, in one of two years the local media will be talking about this. Then bloggers, then social media, then activists.

[-] 5t3fan0 8 Points 10 months ago

same here, i see feminist bullshit slowly trickle down in our still-partially-sane media and am honestly a lil bit worried

[-] twofones 5 Points 10 months ago

I've seen this this cuckery in the Argentine news, do you think Brazil is doing better than Argentina masculinity-wise? Especially with Bolsonaro's election and cultural climate right now?

[-] cupshadow 2 Points 10 months ago

Radical ideas like this are gonna find a whole lot of resistance, but you know how blue pilled conservatives can be.

[-] panconquesofrito 1 Point 10 months ago

Dang, that would suck. I want to move to Santo Domingo or Colombia after fire. It would be awful if this same landscape is there too.

[-] TheImpossible1 15 Points 10 months ago

APA is led by a woman.

I'm willing to die on this hill. Women genuinely hate us.

You know how Hitler felt about Jews? That's how women feel about men.

They're willing to fuck up little kids to get back at us, when do we admit that they are awful people?

[-] twofones 9 Points 10 months ago

That's how women feel about men who listen to them

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They still need that stoic, competitive, dominant and aggressive dick

[-] womans_algorithm 12 Points 10 months ago

I thought gender was just social construct. Are we at war with Euro Asia or East Asia now?

[-] Feelinggood702 9 Points 10 months ago

Devil’s advocate:

Two sentences after the excerpt you cut out, it was said that men who had more moderate ideas of masculinity rather than ones who held the strongest ones were more likely to get preventative health care. Maybe they were pointing out that trying to be too “hard” (tend to be done by younger men who don’t fully understand their capabilities) isn’t helpful long term since you’re choose to block off yourself from experience? I mean, isn’t that how we learn? By making mistakes and being open to experience? For example, a 19 year old who’s never had his heart broken in his life will most likely read some of the ideas TRP closely lives by. For example, “AWALT.” The kid reads it, and claims to himself, “Fuck women! They’re all bitches!” Without having experienced what it’s like to be around women.

Ultimately knowledge is dangerous if not harnessed and understood properly. Thus not really making it knowledge, more of an ideal projection since it has not been truly applied by that young man. That young man was me. Lol

[-] JimBad08 4 Points 10 months ago

preventative health care

Implying that this is necessarily a good thing?

Sure, get an annual physical, teeth cleanings twice per year, etc. That's common sense.

But asking your doctor for anti-depressants because it's winter and you're sad? Or having low-normal thyroid function and demanding a life-long prescription to synthetic thyroid hormones? Or tweaking a muscle in your back and getting hooked on painkillers the rest of your life?

The medical system is a business. It's their job to look for problems and market a cure to you. One should be wary of medical treatment or prescriptions unless they're truly needed, as the opioid epidemic clearly shows.

[-] whittlingman 3 Points 10 months ago

Preventative health care is simply about preventative maintenance of your body, the same way you take care of your car.

Some men are so “hard” or stubborn they refuse to go see doctors for things that could be resolved early, but choose to just “walk it off”. Every one of those simple things becomes some major problem that they then definitely have to go to the hospital for.

You think getting an annual physical is common sense. Some men think it’s stupid, a waste of time, and “they feel fine”. They are too “hard”.

But don’t be a pussy either and just start taking every random pill they throw at you. Moderation is key.

[-] MoDuReddit 4 Points 10 months ago

isn’t helpful long term since you’re choose to block off yourself from experience?

Feminists don't understand the difference between showing no emotion and repressing emotion. For them you being "stoic", is the same as you having a turd dangling from your but you won't let it come out.

[-] TitusBjarni 9 Points 10 months ago

I'd like to see how they define "healthy behaviors." That's what it comes down to. They must be using a feminine-correct definition of it.

[-] awalt_cupcake 14 Points 10 months ago

They are. In the article they state men should express themselves and their emotions because it's healthier to communicate and that anger is just an emotion hiding a vulnerability like sadness or an insecurity.

TL;DR Men are just insecure women and are angrily projecting

[-] 5t3fan0 9 Points 10 months ago

for fuck sake America, you led the world in advancement and progress for so long; WTF happened? i truly hope you can pull your shit together and that these trends are not a prewiev of all western civilization in the future

[-] Imperator_Red 5 Points 10 months ago

Giving women power outside the home + letting in hordes of third world immigrants and failing to assimilate them. Pretty deadly combo.

[-] mustard5 8 Points 10 months ago

The essence of their whole argument seems to be life would be so much better if men would be more like women. A thoroughly reasonable argument for a woman to make, yet so fundamentally flawed.

We thought life might be better if women where more like men, so we supported their feminist agenda. Sadly we were wrong. Women are not better off being more like men.

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Let men be men and women be women. It is how nature made it. If nature finds it offensive, let nature change the situation.

[-] PS2Errol 2 Points 10 months ago

They obviously haven't been in any female-dominated offices ...

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[-] SKRedPill 8 Points 10 months ago

Article for men written by a woman - Red Flag #1. I am going to stop reading any articles on men written by women after this point. There's nothing a woman can guide you about being a man after what Steel posted up there. At this point if I ever read it, it only confirms what RP truths tell you about how they react to a man.

Red Flag #2 - Always a discussion of homosexuals and gays and minorities. All psychology has slanted to normalize the minority now. Just get this, this is the biggest reason why male psychology is so soy now.

Red Flag #3 - Nerd smart is not life smart.

Red Flag #4 - Why would women care if men commit suicide or feel isolated? Most of that is simply because they're separated from their fathers, have no male spaces where they've got each others' backs and lack mental and physical strength? Wait, strength!? Oooh that's so toxic.... - the solution to that is male spaces, not behaving like women.

Red Flag #5 - Beta behaviours such as drinking, drugs, bad diet, not lifting, overweight - that kill men more. Ok, this I agree. Men are far more prone to betadom because a single man has fewer needs. That's not really healthy masculine behaviour and it's the result of an over cozy civilization.

Red Flag #6 - What concrete solutions are put forth that actually work? How can a woman know what it's like to be a male in first person? This whole essay is just a feels talk with no solutions or problem resolution - typical of a feminine mindset.

Who talks about declining T levels and rising infertility and xenoestrogens?

What men really need is more spirituality, mindfulness, lifting, becoming free of incessant thinking, meditation, and the like. Not this feely feely shit.

[-] CainPrice 7 Points 10 months ago

I don't buy into the idea that evil society is intentionally trying to destroy masculinity in some kind of female empowerment movement. It's bad, but it's not malicious or sinister.

These people genuinely believe what they preach. Not only do they think that masculinity is truly harmful and turns us all into unhappy hyperaggressive suicidal rapists. They are completely certain that masculinity doesn't exist.

They genuinely believe, in 100% of cases, that any man acting masculine was taught to do so by the remnants of an evil patriarchal society. They genuinely believe that no man is really like that and that any man acting masculine is just putting on a pretend front out of fear that other men (who are also just pretending at masculinity) will harm him or make fun of him.

They literally, in the bottom of their hearts, believe that masculinity doesn't exist and is just boys playing pretend and trying to achieve an outdated notion of manhood, and that they must save these boys, and all men, from masculinity that they must have picked up from harmful external sources of ideas. They really believe that they are trying to save men from harmful and damaging ideas and ways of life.

Because for many men, masculinity is hard. They're raised being told it's not necessary to be masculine, but then nobody wants to date them, fuck them, hire them, promote them, or be their friend. They fail at life specifically due to their lack of masculinity. And they get depressed and kill themselves, and modern psychiatry declares that the real reason they were unhappy wasn't the fact that their life sucked and was a failure. They were clearly unhappy because they were told that they didn't meet the outdated standards of conventional masculinity and became suicidal, and if only we could do away with masculinity, men would be happy.

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 2 Points 10 months ago

And russian communists genuinely believed what they were doing would lead to a workers utopia and a better future....as they shipped millions to slave labor camps.

History is the study of intelligent people being direly wrong

[-] CainPrice 2 Points 10 months ago

Yeah. It never ceases to amaze me that what's so obviously and crazily wrong and stupid and so clearly and obviously correct to some people departs so strongly from what's so obviously and clearly wrong/right to other people.

It would be one thing if two people had small differences in opinion upon which they disagreed, but people literally see the world a certain way that is so clear in their minds that any other way the world could possibly be is just impossible for them to fathom, and they are so clearly correct in the way they see things that anybody who thinks something different isn't just a guy with a disagreeing viewpoint. It's a guy who has something deeply wrong with him.

But in any case, the situation Rollo is posting about isn't some underhanded, nefarious deal created in the backrooms of society where people are intentionally trying to create confusion about masculinity in young boys to empower women and dis-empower men. It's well-intended liberal idiots who aren't masculine themselves, can't fathom that anybody else possibly could be, and think that anybody who's acting masculine is clearly faking it due to being indoctrinated into toxic masculine standards and needs to be saved.

[-] UnleashYourLife 1 Point 10 months ago

What should be obvious is in fact obvious; you just need to be mature enough to comprehend it.

This snowflake mentality belongs to overgrown children who are too emotionally immature to realize that world isn't painted in just black and white. It's in fact gray

They haven't seen the world outside of their little bubble. They haven't seen hunger, real pain, true human nature etc. This leads me to believe that they are to a certain extent incomplete. They have the yang but not the ying.

Should people like that have a say the matter?

As for the "plan"; these people do exist. It's just hard to see them because they are usually hidden behind the hordes of brainwashed fanatics. But the brainwashing had to come from somewhere right?

[-] NextBad 7 Points 10 months ago

Science is no longer science, anything coming from universities is hate , I will never send my kid to therapy

[-] Pascolino 6 Points 10 months ago

As a left leaning RP guy. Holy fuck what? This can't be the world view of mind scientists what the fuck?? I'm going to read that article. These guys know about evolutive biology this can't be the whole academia's view. Literally what drives men to perform and build things and endure and move forward. And women love men like that. Again wtf.

[-] Imperator_Red 5 Points 10 months ago

Maybe time to change your voting patterns...? Your own side despises you.

[-] Pascolino 1 Point 10 months ago

Yeah yeah you guys tell me this all the time. I don't have a side I have beliefs. And I am not American. I don't despise people for who they vote for. Plenty of better reasons to despise people.. I'm here to improve myself. I'm center left not left left.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 3 Points 10 months ago

Center left is basically right wing now. If you oppose the progressive orthodoxy (which any red piller does by definition), then you’re basically part of the new right.

[-] LordTilde 2 Points 10 months ago

The left in the west is mostly not traditional left, it has swung far towards radical left in the last few decades.

[-] ZoroasterFlame 5 Points 10 months ago

They can win if we don't fight them.

[-] AllahHatesFags 5 Points 10 months ago

Now I expect these quacks to start recommending a soy-based diet and prescribing estrogen to men to treat their "toxic masculinity disorder". How many young boys will be feminized in this fashion because their (single) mothers took them to see a shrink for acting like boys? This country is so fucked.

[-] omega_dawg93 4 Points 10 months ago

all i will say is this...

this is war. and they're fighting for real. they want men to lay down... better yet, bend over, and take it deep with no Vaseline.

but wait... to stop this nonsense, all you need is a literal war where aggression, dominance, assertiveness, etc are REQUIRED to protect your neck! who's gonna fight... women & beta boys?

this isn't Sweden. fuck these people... and 4 more schools of thought that look like them.

i don't personally know any women who believe this shit. who are the female types that are pushing this besides hardcore feminists?

[-] TheStumblingWolf 3 Points 10 months ago

These are the mechanisms built into men to compete for their community's well-being and for the attention of women. Men are truly under covert attack. Little by little we're chipped away at.

[-] Psychological_Radish 3 Points 10 months ago

It's hard to believe this is even real, that this is the world we're living in now. We're hurtling toward Orwell's 1984, if indeed, we aren't already there.

Incidentally, the original title for 1984 was The Last Man in Europe, which is very fitting given recent events.

[-] TFWnoLTR 3 Points 10 months ago

I've been to three different therapists in my lifetime and every single one advised I learn to be more stoic and self reliant because it works.

These guidelines are a serious step backward in the practice and study of psycology. Any professional in the field should recognize it as such.

[-] pickyourselfupman 3 Points 10 months ago

Does this mean that anyone currently seeing or looking for a mental health pro. should vet their provider on pro. advice inline with this thinking? How would one do that or do you think it would be obvious to spot and know if you’re provider believed this garbage?

[-] MentORPHEUS 3 Points 10 months ago

I have some background in psychology, so I approached this from an "addressing negative outcomes" perspective, rather than a "Men R bad K" perspective. Through this lens, many aspects of this are actually quite congruent with our own teachings and POV. Rollo's take on this hinges upon the phrase "toxic masculinity" being understood as radical feminists define it, not how psychologists define it.

This is an important advance in addressing certain blue pill and otherwise distorted caricatures of masculinity. I see it as an opportunity, not a danger.

  • Stoicism- Turn men into needy whiny controllable pussies Don't soldier through your heart attack symptoms or live mired in PTSD or depression for years instead of reaching out for help
  • Competitiveness- Turn men into will-less soy boys AMOGging and Peacocking is doing it wrong, learn productive leadership skills, unlearn ineffective ones
  • Dominance- Turn men into spineless followers Know when to lead and when to follow. Art of war, rules of power
  • Aggression- Turn men into weak pussies Become a Captain others are willing to follow

Food for thought.

[-] SoulRedemption 3 Points 10 months ago

This has such a large under-current effect than one may realize. It is one thing for the average public to have this opinion but a whole nother level for a Psychology Institute to publish these. There is a basis now that can be used against men ("science") because of "findings" and eventually law will use these too as strong foundations.

This is just the beginning. "Think as you like but behave like others" is more important than ever. Be careful not to spout and stand your ground in ways that can backfire. Handmaid's Tale is looking to be more of a Handman's Tale.

[-] thewrecker8 3 Points 10 months ago

They just described basically every sport. Competition, aggression, dominance. How do you play basically any sport without those qualities?

[-] Imperator_Red 3 Points 10 months ago

This is fucking bonkers.

Check that, this is fucking horrifying.

[-] PS2Errol 2 Points 10 months ago

This is insanity. To say this Association is dangerous is an understatement.

Without the traits they describe no Empire or civilisation would even exist. The United States of America would not exist. Without these traits, Russia would not have defeated Nazism. I could go on and on.

This Association of fools is talking utter nonsense.

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 2 Points 10 months ago

B-b-b-but weve moved past all that. Its time for men to learn to evolve and shed their toxic behaviors

[-] daffy_duck233 2 Points 10 months ago

The writer was using a very narrow, yet popular, definition of stoicism and that is "not expressing your emotions outwardly".

If you guys take a look at the APA guidelines itself: https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guidelines.pdf,

the only two places that you can find the key word "stoic", are as follow:

Psychologists can discuss with
boys and men the messages they have
received about withholding affection from other males to help them understand how components of traditional masculinity
such as emotional stoicism, homophobia,
not showing vulnerability, self-reliance,
and competitiveness might deter them
from forming close relationships with
male peers (Brooks, 1998; Smiler, 2016).

and,

Psychologists also strive to
reduce mental health stigma for men by
acknowledging and challenging socialized
messages related to men’s mental health
stigma (e.g., male stoicism, self-reliance).

They don't even bother to define "emotional stoicism" or "male stoicism", but rather count on readers to assume a common dictionary-based meaning of the word. However, they didn't denounce stoicism wholesale as the writer of the article did. I don't blame the writer though, after all she's a woman and most probably has no idea what Stoicism is.

What the article did right, however, was to summarize the main ideas of the guidelines, as most other commenters have posted here.

TRM has a very interesting (and valid) point on the corruption of language, and then inevitably the corruption of thought, by feminists, which strongly applies in this discussion of the APA guidelines.

[-] DailyManliness 2 Points 10 months ago

Forget slut shaming, the real thing we need to worry about is man shaming. Dudes are going to be shamed out of acting how they naturally are

[-] sh0t 1 Point 10 months ago

won't matter if they don't have the LOOKS

[-] AnyDoughnut 2 Points 10 months ago

Probably another 50 years away from having all but the most physically fit and financially secure men culled.

[-] sh0t 1 Point 10 months ago

power laws dont work that way

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in 50 years the bottom 80% for that era will have the same issues

[-] dingleburry_joe 2 Points 10 months ago

Keep on riding the tiger friends.

[-] WillyPete_Sauna 2 Points 10 months ago

Put this book on the top of sidebar reading list alreacy

[-] pickyourselfupman 2 Points 10 months ago

“APA issues first-ever guidelines for practice with men and boys-By STEPHANIE PAPPAS”

Hmmmm...

[-] redpill_scientist92 2 Points 10 months ago

I linked the pluralist article about this apa study on my Facebook and had this dude arguing with me, instead of trying to make a logical argument back I just linked him the rollo blog piece about this. You have a way with words.

Well see how this goes over, I’m going to lift while I wait for the shit storm.

Edit: shit storm ensued, now I got people calling me a “red pill psycho” and saying that Rollos an incel.

[-] PS2Errol 1 Point 10 months ago

Paul Joseph Watson on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FILwhaFezec

[-] SKRedPill 1 Point 10 months ago

Article for men written by a woman - Red Flag #1. I am going to stop reading any articles on men written by women after this point. There's nothing a woman can guide you about being a man after what Steel posted up there. At this point if I ever read it, it only confirms what RP truths tell you about how they react to a man.

Red Flag #2 - Always a discussion of homosexuals and gays and minorities. All psychology has slanted to normalize the minority now. Just get this, this is the biggest reason why male psychology is so soy now.

Red Flag #3 - Nerd smart is not life smart.

Red Flag #4 - Why would women care if men commit suicide or feel isolated? Most of that is simply because they're separated from their fathers, have no male spaces where they've got each others' backs and lack mental and physical strength? Wait, strength!? Oooh that's so toxic.... - the solution to that is male spaces, not behaving like women.

Red Flag #5 - Beta behaviours such as drinking, drugs, bad diet, not lifting, overweight - that kill men more. Ok, this I agree. Men are far more prone to betadom because a single man has fewer needs. That's not really healthy masculine behaviour and it's the result of an over cozy civilization.

Red Flag #6 - What concrete solutions are put forth that actually work? How can a woman know what it's like to be a male in first person? This whole essay is just a feels talk with no solutions or problem resolution - typical of a feminine mindset.

Who talks about declining T levels and rising infertility and xenoestrogens?

What men really need is more spirituality, mindfulness, lifting, becoming free of incessant thinking, meditation, and the like. Not this feely feely shit.

[-] Bilskee1 1 Point 10 months ago

So another shit test. Nothing new or surprising. What's the big deal ?

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[-] SKRedPill 1 Point 10 months ago

Article for men written by a woman - Red Flag #1. I am going to stop reading any articles on men written by women after this point. There's nothing a woman can guide you about being a man after what Steel posted up there. At this point if I ever read it, it only confirms what RP truths tell you about how they react to a man.

Red Flag #2 - Always a discussion of homosexuals and gays and minorities. All psychology has slanted to normalize the minority now. Just get this, this is the biggest reason why male psychology is so soy now.

Red Flag #3 - Nerd smart is not life smart.

Red Flag #4 - Why would women care if men commit suicide or feel isolated? Most of that is simply because they're separated from their fathers, have no male spaces where they've got each others' backs and lack mental and physical strength? Wait, strength!? Oooh that's so toxic.... - the solution to that is male spaces, not behaving like women.

Red Flag #5 - Beta behaviours such as drinking, drugs, bad diet, not lifting, overweight - that kill men more. Ok, this I agree. Men are far more prone to betadom because a single man has fewer needs. That's not really healthy masculine behaviour and it's the result of an over cozy civilization.

Red Flag #6 - What concrete solutions are put forth that actually work? How can a woman know what it's like to be a male in first person? This whole essay is just a feels talk with no solutions or problem resolution - typical of a feminine mindset.

Who talks about declining T levels and rising infertility and xenoestrogens?

What men really need is more spirituality, mindfulness, lifting, becoming free of incessant thinking, meditation, and the like. Not this feely feely shit.

[-] Throndor_Rising 1 Point 10 months ago

Originally Posted response from MRP

Yeah I saw this one coming out a few days ago as well. I think, while there is some application toward RP principles at play here, you may be missing the larger political issue in all of this, respectfully, of course.

Ultimately, humanity is rapidly approaching the zenith of overpopulation. This is primarily what is causing the exodus out of Africa and areas of the Middle East which are not woretorn by the proxy battles between the US and Communist nations.

Essentially, the narrative states that we're taking on refugees, en masse, to Europe because if we just take this current round of refugees exodusing Africa and the Middle East the problem will be solved. Whether or not we are AT the zenith is fairly dismissable, however for those living in impoverished areas actually facing the possibility of starvation I would assume this is a fairly accurate capture of their perception.

Women, in their earnest nature to "nurture these poor refugees", while battling against the "patriarchal" (sic) nature of (white) men to turn the barbarians away at the gate, has created a conflict of interest in how to address the issue (and the same approach is being pushed here in the US with overpopulation nearing terminal velocity in Latin America). This diagnosis of toxic masculinity is merely a post-hoc explanation derived to assuage women of the guilt intrinsic to humanity being forced to make a decision on this matter.

If you look at the trends of population growth by continent, you can see that the native population of Europe and "most" of North America (everyone except Mexico are at zero growth, or even at negative growth due to education, contraception etc.) are relatively stagnant, and even shrinking in many aspects due to education, contraception and the rise of feminine empowerment that tricks them into not having children until its too late.

Now, I'll probably get slammed for insisting that this is a multi-facetted issue that doesn't fall strictly along MRP concepts, IN conjunction with the fact that we are harboring men who refuse to let go of the childish fantasy "everything's going to be alright if we just ignore the problem, racist Throndor", however I think clarity is more important in this particular issue. AND there is some correlation to MRP and "seeing reality as it is, not how we want it to be".

In sum, the western world is rapidly approaching a very difficult decision. We will either have to force birth control on the third world to battle overpopulation and mass migration, let mass migration destroy us and then continue on to humanity's greater destruction in aftermath of the defeat of "Reason", or enact genocidal policies throughout the world to curb population growth.

I'm thinking option 1 is the most humane option, option 2 doesn't really address the issue and still only buys 25 years tops if you consider the Malthusian mathematics of a 2.5% growth rate in Africa on a population of 1.5billion people in conjunction with the best care scenario of an absolute extermination of the western world's population, and option 3 is pretty grisly. Let's not forget that Asia is bolstering a 1.1% growth rate with a population of 4.5billion people.

If you know anything about Logarithmic math, we're looking at Africa doubling in population in 27 years (+1.5Billion), and Asia doubling in population in 63 years (4.5billion), and South America doubling in population in 57 years (500,000).

Hope this insight helps.

Regards,

[-] AllahHatesFags 2 Points 10 months ago

I am all for forcing contraception on the third world and would be willing to go to war to do so.

[-] conk2000 1 Point 10 months ago

I would love to hear Jack Donovan's take on this. He is the leading RP guy I enjoy reading, and almost all his content is on Masculinity and its benefits.

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[-] Princejuvy 1 Point 10 months ago

You know why men don't just let their emotions run wild like women? It is because the world does not care about men! See, when a woman is emotional the world will all but stop to check on her and make sure she is ok. As men, we dont get that... not even from women. A woman cry's and both men and women will run to comfort her, when a man cries nobody comes running to our sides like that. Instead, we cry when nobody is looking and then focus on being solution oriented. Besides, women always say they want an emotional man but when they see one they are turned off by it. Its better this way anyways.... one of the sex's has to be rational and level headed else we would all go extinct.

[-] DancesWithPugs 1 Point 10 months ago

Institutional gaslighting "it's crazy to be a man"

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Yeah this is what equality looks like. I'm so glad feminism eradicated prejudice. /s

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[-] zealanderx -1 Point 10 months ago

I am just curious why you all care so much?

How many have experienced high quality women being thankful and appreciative for positive masculinity? It's deep in our DNA. It won't change.

When it comes to business, business is business. Good, skilled, masculine men do well. This banter changes nothing for the individual outside experiencing a degredation of society and reducing the growing amount of competition among masculine men.

[-] sh0t 2 Points 10 months ago

As long as the checks don't bounce nobody cares about the ugly men

[-] Erfbender -1 Point 10 months ago

To be fair, while I was pissed off when I read it, amused mastery is neither competitive nor aggressive. I think there are downsides to forcing boys to behave stoically before they even know what their emotions are, just as there are downsides to locking energetic boys to a chair for 8 hours a day

[-] CensorThis111 -2 Point 10 months ago

Sorry TRP. Obliterate this with downvotes all you want, but it's true:

stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—is, on the whole, harmful. Men socialized in this way are less likely to engage in healthy behaviors.

There are definitely ways to channel various harmful things into something positive. The pursuit of self development remains the same. That being said - all humans are social creatures. What is true about this quote is true of all humanity.

Whether it's in conflict of TRP dogma or not doesn't matter.

[-] max_peenor 5 Points 10 months ago

stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression

Win. This is why we are the apex species on the planet and lone surviving hominini. The universe doesn't give a shit if some males are sad little boys on the inside. As we've explained to great length. They are expendable regardless.

—is, on the whole, harmful

Arbitrary criterion.

healthy behaviors.

Arbitrary criterion. This is how these "studies" work. The right side of the of the equation is completely malleable, so they can do whatever the fuck they want to the left.

[-] midgetpooooo -4 Point 10 months ago

I mean, you're all thinking about this from a red pill lens where all this stuff doesn't really apply to you or your experiences, but what the article is getting into are the really fucked up and angry men who creep on girls, rape, commit crimes, etc. So they are the perfect group for this sort of positive masculinity and away from the actual toxic masculinity that pervades their lives (think extremes like incel or super aggressive).

[-] medievalmissionary 7 Points 10 months ago

I'm not entirely sure I understand your point but I did share the same thought of using extremes in men as a basis for their argument. The assumption dangerous men are reflective of all men due to shared biology is bogus. Even if biology introduced factors that make violent tendencies more likely in men then women, doesn't mean you wipe out all of what it means to be a man. Biology is the wrong source to blame for 'toxic masculinity'. What about socio-political beliefs and demographic? What about mental health? What about living in Western civilization- a blue-pill culture that oppresses your very own identity? The female imperative to stop victimization is a fairytale attempt to create a utopia. Nature is neutral. It doesn't give a fuck about your feelings. There are a million issues in the world and it's good to do what you can to make the world a better place but, like Rollo said, not by social constructionism and science denial.

"A determined hard-driving man is what they want when the floodwaters start rising and women need to be carried to safety, but when a man uses that aspect of his masculine nature for his exclusive benefit, or a purpose that conflicts with feminine primacy, that’s when the aspect is defined as dangerous."

It's funny traditional masculinity is only okay when it's convenient.

[-] midgetpooooo 1 Point 10 months ago

I'd like them to show this article to any Marine lol

[-] max_peenor 2 Points 10 months ago

s, but what the article is getting into are the really fucked up and angry men who creep on girls, rape, commit crimes, etc.

You should really read the article before you say stupid shit like this.

And in 2007, researchers led by James Mahalik, PhD, of Boston College, found that the more men conformed to masculine norms, the more likely they were to consider as normal risky health behaviors such as heavy drinking, using tobacco and avoiding vegetables, and to engage in these risky behaviors themselves (Social Science and Medicine, Vol. 64, No. 11).

Not eating your broccoli won't get you 30 years in prison.

[-] Tuplad -5 Point 10 months ago

I quickly glanced through the article, they bring up some valid points. They advocate that men should seek more help when needed and that men with "toxic" traits wont be looking for medical or mental help, because they should be self-sufficient. The article raises genuine issues with males not seeking help when they are mentally or physically ill.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are some REALLY valid points that a lot of men should take care of. You shouldn't be an alpha bro, that's what TRP advocates.

[-] omega_dawg93 6 Points 10 months ago

WTF is this shit?

do yourself a favor: don't read the sidebar, suck it and swallow.

[-] Tuplad -4 Point 10 months ago

Bruh, I've been applying TRP principles before you got laid and got asthma attacks from sex.

The point is: the article raises genuine issues with males not seeking help when they are mentally or physically ill. Are you fucking retarded? How the fuck is the side bar going to help?

[-] omega_dawg93 4 Points 10 months ago

save the cock measuring & pussy rate declarations for your "contest" in the other forum. no one here knows you or cares, esp me. try to impress women or gay dudes with that shit.

like a woman, you've browsed my post history to "attack" me. that's a classic "Reddit move" and bitch-like behavior plus a waste of energy... laughable.

stay on topic without ad hominem attacks if you wanna have a grown discussion; i ignore shit like that.

the mentally ill usually don't know they're mentally ill... and can't/won't seek help.

this article is an attack piece. and since you "browsed" thru it, maybe you missed that point.

[-] Tuplad -4 Point 10 months ago

TRIGGERED

Hahaha.

Post history to attack you? bruv, reddit is an online forum, it's 2 clicks away to see what kind of a disgrace you are.

The article is in no way, shape or form an attack piece. It's the APA who issued GUIDELINES on how to handle men and masculinity. Put it into context: people have no idea what they are doing, men nor women. So they're like, look, we are psychologists and through the years we've seen this and that, and this might help to understand men better. If you man is mentally or PHYSICALLY ill, help him to get checked.

You'd see that if your tongue wouldn't see brown from eating Rollo's ass. It's only an attack if you're insecure little bitch, but of course, you are that, when sex triggers asthma attacks lmaooooooooooooooo

[-] omega_dawg93 3 Points 10 months ago

lol. the person viewing my post history to personally attack me is calling me, "triggered." smh. we are discussing this article, not me.

the triggered person takes the time to visit another person's post history to bring up unrelated shit (asthma) to THIS topic.

if you know women, it's their CLASSIC deflection move... and you did it... that's why you're being viewed as displaying bitch-like behavior, ie, your skirt is up and your emotions are showing.

now you're bringing rollo into this in another pitiful move... another bitch-like move. why would you be in this forum if you don't care to read what rollo has written?

the sidebar is waiting for your mouth.