Hi folks, I am sure many of you are aware of The Red Pill documentary which controversially was blacklisted from several festivals last year. I thought I would let folks here know that the film is currently available on our new Zenither TV Anywhere platform for watching. If you'd not had a chance to watch it now you can.
Zenither is basically like a cable TV carrier, but without the cable. We have a number of digital TV channels in our service, currently around 36. We've worked with the film's distributor, Gravitas Ventures, to develop a TV network within our platform that is bringing several hundred titles from their catalog for free viewing on their station within our service. We asked for The Red Pill documentary as part of our licensing agreement because we were aware of the censorship controversy and felt we'd like to be able to make the film more accessible since we had the opportunity to license films from their catalog.
You can watch the film on PCs running the Chrome browser directly at https://zenither.tv/gravitasdocumentaries/americandocumentaries/theredpill or download our mobile apps (links to the app stores can be found at https://www.zenither.com/ ) and either scroll down to the Gravitas channel & click the logo to find the station page and its VOD library or use the search bar to find The Red Pill.
Please note that due to the complex nature of our platform, you won't be able to effectively use the browser version on mobile devices due to changes in mobile browsers that make it incompatible with the web browser app. If you'd like to watch on your phone or tablet we highly recommend using the native mobile apps for iOS / Android. The apps are completely free to download.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Here is what I wrote about the movie elsewhere:
Recently I finally came around to watching the Red Pill Documentary, and to see what all the controversy was about, i.e. I watched a bunch of YT videos and read articles about the flick and around its creation process and release. And I have to say that it was pretty informative all in all.
To those who don't know the film at all or haven't really paid attention to it, a really short recap: it is not about The Red Pill as we use the term, but about a documentary about the Men's Right Movement (made by (now ex-)feminist Cassie Jaye) that got stuck financially during filming (basically once it became clear that film didn't attempt to discredit the MRM, but to give it a sympathetic portrayal) but finally got through due to crowdfunding via kickstarter; and which had a hard time getting screened due to its allegedly controversial content which "provoked" a lot of protests and debate.
So what about the content? Well, for people who regularly hang out in the manosphere, the content of the film is hardly about things one isn't already aware of (well, there was one thing that I wasn't aware of, more on that later) - it was basically about the stuff that's discussed here, at TRP, at Men's Rights-related fora etc. But what was really interesting in my eyes were both the reception (and the disproportionate outrage over it) and her introspective commentaries she made afterwards about how the process had affected her.
Here are my takeaways from the film:
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The one thing I had been unaware of: The androcidal campaigns of Boko Haram, which were commented on in the movie. As most people here will know, BH really got widespread media coverage and therefore public attention in the west after they had abducted 200ish girls into sex slavery/forced marriage (the whole phony "bring back our girls"-campaign from politics, culture and the media). What I wasn't really aware of (and I think this goes for most people) was that BH had slaughtered thousands of males before while always sparing the females, yet this wasn't worth any outrage or just some indignation, but merely got shrugged off in a few headlines - basically, the complete "disposable male"-dynamic in full swing.
I don't know whether I would go as far as Karen Straughan who speculated that BH did the whole "abduct women"-thing as a means to catch the attention of the western nations who obviously were pretty much indifferent towards the mass killings of men, but I certainly consider it interesting that if you kill thousands of dudes but abduct and enslave a minuscule percentage of that in girls, you're misogyny is the crime that's considered far worse and more notable than the other.
But what really caught me flat-footed was how it really rubbed it in to what extent one is still subjected to a severely lopsided coverage by progressive media and a biased elite even if one actively tries to be critical. I for my part certainly have lost my youthfully innocent belief in the neutrality of the media quite some time ago, yet simply because of the fact that I didn't actively look into the dynamics of domestic conflicts in Nigeria, my perception of BH was that of a group of rapist terrorists enslaving girls, and not one of a group of murderous terrorists who followed perverted chivalrous ideals ("kill the men, let the women go") - simply because the former was the image that was broadcasted so loudly and consistently in our media that it managed to reach me despite not actively looking into it, while the former didn't.
The hypocrisy of the elites who only start the virtue signalling-machine when women are affected didn't come as a surprise, but the whole thing really showed how much sway over our perception of the world is still held by those who control our "attention economy" simply because they're the ones dishing out the headlines. The contrast was especially striking when compared to 20 years ago during the wars in the Balkans (Europeans born before '85 might know what I am talking about), where the coverage was a lot more balanced, at least when it came to matters of gender - while it was clear that Serbian armies did rape and enslave women in the areas they ravaged, it was made equally clear that their crimes against men were by no means less severe - the whole mass castrations stuff, or the summarily killing of all Bosnian boys and men in Srebrenica while the UN was looking the other way and so on.
There were other moments in the movie that were eye openers, like the repeated displays of blatant lack of self-awareness of feminists (like for example that Big Red-bitch extremely rudely insulting the guy ("shut up fuck face!") she was not-really-debating with, while one can only imagine how feminists would have reacted had the guy paid her back in kind - or just let his composure slip for a moment to get back into her face as well) - but the BH scene was the one that really drove it home. Kinda shines a whole new light on the whole "women are the primary victims of war"-narrative and how this agenda isn't as harmless as hardcore liberals would want one to believe.
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Another interesting thing is about how the whole filming and editing experience affected Cassie Jaye and lead to some introspection on her part. In the film, she starts with a depiction of her own journey - how she initially wanted to become an actress but was alienated from the industry due to typecasting and sexual harrassment (ultimately deciding to become a director, thus making her own films) and became a full-fledged feminist in the process, and describes how the feminist mindset influenced her perception - in fact, it was her feminism that drove her to shoot the movie in the first place, she freely admitted that her initial motive was to cover the MRM because of her expectation that "the enemy" would be like feminist propaganda had depicted him as (i.e. this would have been more fodder for the "and this is why we need feminism"-industry).
In the film, she interviews a lot of MRAs, pretty much only asking questions and letting the guys speak for themselves, and in one of her YT-videos uploaded after the filming she described her thought processes - how initially she interpreted practically everything they said literally in the least charitable way possible, regardless of how reasonable or well-sourced it was (for example, when an MRA said "there are thousands of women's shelters, yet only one shelter for men, despite domestic violence being roughly similar" what she heard was "let's shut down the women's shelters")
What was also interesting is when she described (in another YT-video among others) how that work impacted her relationship with her boyfriend - how before the filming, she saw the world exclusively through a feminist lens and ran around "with a constant chip on her shoulder" because she thought that everyone was out to get her (because she's a woman and all that), and how this also blinded her to her privileges; for example that she held it against him that she worked and did the housework while he "only" worked, but ignored that he had 12 hour days of physical and uncomfortable labor while she had a comfortable job she enjoyed doing.
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exit_sandman 5y ago
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And finally - her struggle to get the movie released. While she already got a taste of the problems to come when the funding dried up after it became clear that she wasn't filming an MRM-bashing flick, this really drove it home.
To this I have to add: the movie as such is actually pretty harmless. You get a bunch of guys telling stories about how bad men have it, the MRAs aren't depicted as literally being Hitler but actually get a sympathetic portrayal, and you get a bunch of feminists making idiots of themselves. That's it. No hatemongering, no rampant misogyny (there aren't really any statements about how women are beyond the fact that they're more privileged in a lot of ways), at worst one might say that it is a partisan piece of journalism that attempts to cast one group in a favorable light at the expense of another through biased questioning and editing (which, of course, no progressive/liberal/SJW/feminist would EVER do).
However, there were protests against the film by people without even watching it, there were feminists on live TV literally advocating for the ban of the movie, i.e. censorship, despite them having no idea what's in it beyond their preconceived notions that a pro-MRM-film can't be anything but a hatemongering piece of propaganda. But hey, how goes the (feminist) saying - "from a place of privilege, criticism starts to look like hate" (but we're living in a vile patriarchy where men have all the say and women have trouble to make their voices heard - that there are still people who believe that is beyond me).
Cassie Jaye's retrospective in that regard was also pretty interesting - for example her statement that all this would practically justify her creating a documentary about the documentary (specifically, the roadblocks to its release); and how this proved the warnings of the MRAs she got at the beginning of the filming process right - who told her that if she really wanted to cover that subject while deviating from the publicly-sanctioned feminist perspective, she should expect a lot of blowback, biased journalism, attempts to silence her, and that this would ultimately mean the end of her career. In the beginning she dismissed these concerns, but in the end she conceded that what the guys had predicted turned out to be frighteningly accurate. And yes - big surprise, I know - all these experiences made her drop the label of feminism: the experience that men don't somehow have a stack of super-privileges in their basement they're hiding from women and that makes them skate through life without effort or that women have it worse as a rule in every regard (in that way, her epiphany was not unlike that of Norah Vincent); and the experience that the feminist movement at large wasn't really interested in the truth, but pretty quick to ostracize her once she stopped being convenient.
blazze 5y ago
Considering starting my own classical black and white movie channel on Zenither.
Captain Kidd anyone ?
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https://archive.org/details/CaptainKidd1945RESTORED
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain\_kidd/
Charlemagneffxiv 5y ago
We have a similar channel like that called Drive in Movies!
https://zenither.tv/driveinmovies
Captain Kidd is among the library. We have additional movie channels coming for horror, indies and big studio films. Those channels should be out by end of this week or next.
loz333 5y ago
To all the people crapping on this - just over halfway through, she hit on something worth considering - that capitalists deliberately funded the feminist movement because it makes us the enemy, rather than the capitalists. That's how it became so huge.
exit_sandman 5y ago
I don't know how much water this theory holds, but I definitely think that capitalists pay lip-service to progressive ideals (feminism and gender "equality" (i.e. gynocentrism), multiculturalism and anti-racism etc.) and cater to their whims to some extent (for example by enacting severe and at time asinine anti-harassment policies at work - you know, the stuff that made guys avoid riding the elevator with women) - as long as these measures don't hurt business.
And it's working - big business has been far less of a hate sink for "progressive" journalists and media than it was a few decades ago. It didn't suddenly become generous and humanitarian - it just toed the leftist party line regarding certain issues, and that was enough for them.
loz333 5y ago
Right, so whether it is a direct choice or unintended consequence, it is working out as they would have wanted it to. It's the challenge for intellectuals and researchers to go into those environments and still challenge the students to debate these important issues. Elsewhere we just need to maintain different spaces - like this one - to present challenging ideas, and figure out how they work in the real world.
beltwaytr 5y ago
This is a pretty depressing watch.
SirKolbath 5y ago
What!? You mean the auto erotica of Cassie Jay’s foray into stupid was blacklisted as a marketing ploy from those places where such mental masturbation is usually applauded?! However will we sleep at night? MustwatchnoAw!!!
First rule of product design is to ask what need your product is fulfilling. Literally no one here asked for this. In fact, most of us pointedly declared after the bits and pieces we saw that the “documentary” was an ill-researched piece of self promoting horseshit.
Another useless “get tv on your computer” delivery system. Exactly what the plebeian masses need to distract from their pedestrian jobs and growing sense of melancholy: more bread and circuses.
Fixed that for you.
I very rarely weigh in on things posted to this forum that I feel disagree with its basic orientation, as I am not a moderator or endorsed contributor, but this documentary served no purpose when it was released, serves no purpose now, and serves no purpose here.
Michael fucking Moore makes better documentaries than Cassie Jay. At least he has talent as a filmmaker for all his inability to do basic research. Cassie Jay is simply untalented, unskilled, and unworthy of my or any other man’s time.
19yoManChild 5y ago
The Red Pill is about taking ownership of your problems. Although valid issues and concerns are addressed in this film, bitching and whining will not change anything.
The Blue Pill is something so strong in society it will never go away. We cannot ever change that.
Swallowing the Red Pill isn’t about trying to change the Blue Pill worldview in our favor. Swallowing the Red Pill is about understanding that the odds our against us and we have to take “extreme ownership” (Jocko Willinks Quote) over our lives.
No fucking shit the system is against us, are we going to sit and protest and cry about it or are we going to become the best men we can be for ourselves. The choice yours.
This film is not Red Pill. MRAs should spend more time improving themselves rather than whining. That would have a better affect on society itself and lead and example for more men to positive change their lives instead of just seeing the world in a grim state where men lack power.
banthrow 5y ago
I don't like the Men's Right movement because it's born from victimization. I as a men, don't need any right, having rights implies subservience, that somebody somewhere, allows me to have those rights, and somebody can take them from me. I don't need fucking nobody to give me rights. I take them.
Well I would if we were in 1500. Nowdays there are police and they have guns etc. but this is how I feel.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Maybe in 1500 in the Americas.
Rollo-Tomassi 5y ago
Well, now you can watch this abortion for free.
Cassie Jay can go fuck herself. This movie was ALWAYS about her, and she played the MRM like the easy fiddle they always are for "anti-feminist feminists".
https://therationalmale.com/2016/12/19/the-awareness/
dr_warlock 5y ago
I cant stand guys who get all giggidy because a woman suggests she's on their side.
zue3 5y ago
Those guys are still indoctrinated.
SirKolbath 5y ago
I was hoping you were going to weigh in on this post, Rollo.
While I agree that some men need to be thrown in the Red pool and some men need to wade gently in the kiddie end, I watched about six minutes of this piece of shit and it was obvious the creator had no idea what the Red Pill is or why it exists. She’s actually below the level of the kids we get here asking, “i met this chick in my math class how do I smash ??”
Abortion is too kind a word. At least stem cells can be harvested from an abortion.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Don't forget that in a context beyond the TRP-sub here, "(taking) the red pill" is a general metaphore utilized outside the mainstream (from the skeptic communities, the right, in the manosphere etc.) for realizing that things aren't as generally claimed (usually by the mainstream media, politicians etc.), and also as one has fervently believed up until that point -it's basically stripping away the windowdressing and revealing the truth.
For example, when the NY Times employed a Asian chick who had a proven track record of tweeting racist anti- white rants because she had a chip on their shoulder, the NY Times held onto her and just gave a non-excuse about how they totes disagreed with her statements but nevertheless believed her when she said that she was just kidding and would never do it again. Needless to say, this didn't go well with plenty of people who saw this the way it was: (a) that the same excuse wouldn't fly for a white male and (b) that apparently dehumanizing and demonizing whites wasn't really a noteworthy offense in the eyes of the NY Times. In other words, that what plenty of people on the right said about the media was very much the truth - and that's also why some guys on the alt-right vocally expressed their gratitude to the NY Times for inadvertedly "redpilling normies".
In the context of the movie and from the perspective of the MRM, "taking the red pill" means the rejection of the feminist claim that men are basically always the privileged ones who have it better than women as a rule because the patriarchy does everything to make sure they win at the expense of women, who are perpetual victims in every regard. She also said right at the end that there is a Red Pill community on reddit (i.e. us) who doesn't see eye to eye with the MRM.
Regardless of what you think about the movie: just because the utilization of the term "the red pill" doesn't conform to the meaning it has here doesn't mean it is false.
blazze 5y ago
“Oh man it’s kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men,” - Sarah Jeong
“White people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants,” - Sarah Jeong
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Sarah Jeong words are profoundly racist ! It is a mistake for the NY Times associate with her.
As an American of African descent who went to high school near Chicago's China town , I am very familiar
with Asian racism. Wether you replace the word " Black with White " Sarah statements are still racist.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/08/03/an-asian-american-womans-tweets-ignite-a-debate-is-it-okay-to-make-fun-of-white-people-online/?noredirect=on&utm\_term=.68d47cc89684
SirKolbath 5y ago
Absolutely, and I’m glad you brought that up. Shifting gears slightly, doesn’t it amuse you that the /BluePill subreddit uses the same metaphor? Literally, in their name they accept that they tolerate the Great Lie.
Returning to your point, Cassie Jay’s feeble attempt at notoriety was based loosely on the MRA movement, which is why I see the criticism of this subreddit and its notable members to be of particular relevance.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Well, that's them being pseudo-ironic (I mean, they've got a bunch of hamsters on their banner).
If you don't accept the red/blue pill as a thing, appropriating the term is just ridiculing it.
dr_warlock 5y ago
Everytime someone tries to rob some notoriety from this place, its some attention whoring woman or some guy wanting victimhood status. Wheres the sexual strategy?
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blazze 5y ago
Well put ! Also like the phrase "Matriarchal Overlords".
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Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 5y ago
I guess the Nazis were liberals with this logic.
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CainPrice 5y ago
Blah. Who wants to watch grown men cry on camera and hear the cataloged story of a self-interested woman who somehow makes mens' issues about herself?
snowdenlaydying 5y ago
Bold marketing strategy attempting to 'altruistically' associate yourselves with us quarantined degenerates. Bold indeed.
econquest 5y ago
You are not holding frame (srs). I am just starting out a red piller, but I have found it is true: you need to be the rock. When someone accuses you of something unfairly, don't enter their frame. Calmly state the facts, once, amd move on. Then after they see the truth and come around, and like a lightswitch don't even mention that they were wrong.
So here just state that it is bold to associate with red pill given the current unethical and unfair censorship of free discussion (the quarantine). Then by sticking to the facts (the unfair censorship of free speech) they will come around.
Yes, the quarantine is a shit-test (srs). TRP is passing it. Don't break frame and it will be removed.
The Red Pill is obeying all site-wide rules, and doing nothing wrong. It should not be subject to censorship (quarantine).
Note: just TRP beginner here, others can do better.
SirKolbath 5y ago
About as bold as the way this turd was “blacklisted” from film festivals to heighten its notoriety.
Seriously, this guy is so transparent I can read People magazine through him. Holy shit, Burt Reynolds died!?
Charlemagneffxiv 5y ago
Actually we've been working on securing the rights for several months. Had no idea about the quarantine until came here the other day and debated whether or not to post. I decided ultimately the quarantine proves there is a need for digital carriers who are willing to honor the spirit of what television is supposed to be.
I'll not go into the whole spiel about what makes us unique, but the short is we're not Sling TV or YouTube TV, or similar apps, which fundamentally are the same as the software in your set top box but now in a phone. The cost to get a TV channel on their service involves enormous overhead expenses. In contrast Zenither has a patent pending system that allows insanely cheap creation of a TV network with a linear feed, and all the other aspects of the TV broadcasting business to be managed from a laptop. Consequently Zenither allows content owners that ordinarily could not afford to be a broadcaster to now be one, such as Gravitas and even YouTube stars.
I don't know if altruistic is the right label. We're a TV carrier, there's a commercial aspect to it of course. This is because TV is a very expensive business though. However the product is still film distribution. Film-making -- even in the online video world -- is an art. Art is about expressing ideas and communicating values. Art connects people through these ideas, and ideas are powerful because they transcend ourselves. So television ultimately is a medium through which film-making communities ideas. That's what our goal is here. The broadcasters of yesterday considered themselves in service to their communities, and tried to tell stories they thought would benefit their communities by sharing values they thought added value to their audiences lives. I think company can be commercial in nature and still provide a service that does good.
The Red Pill documentary is controversial. It was blacklisted from several places and an effort was made to deter people from watching it solely because the ideas it expressed made others uncomfortable. Our democracy depends upon the freedom of speech being honored, so we decided to carry the film and allow those who want to see it the ability to easily do so for free.
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bouldurer 5y ago
TLDR for the documentary: "Zomg, men have issues too! Who knew? Gosh darn it!"
LegendOfTheFrontier 5y ago
This falls under the Men's Rights tag. Just because this glass of whisky isn't strong enough for your tastes, doesn't mean it can't get other men to appreciate whisky. I have little time for Red Pill aware men mocking those who need something a little less in their face to swallow the pill. Our goal is making men, the starting point is irrelevant and the pace of embracing truth is irrelevant. Truth is still truth.
The film is not Red Pill, it is men's rights and as such touches upon a number of truths that are part of the basis for TRP. If you truly understood why we're not very impressed (at best) with the MRM, you'd know it wasn't down to whether they were right in the stats that they cite or the problems they highlight. Bear this in mind when you engage on the topic.
BobbyPeru 5y ago
This ^^.
It’s not indicative of the red pill teachings. In other words, there is some overlap, but I wouldn’t call this documentary a representation of TRP principles and lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination.
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adam-l Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
/u/Charlemagneffxiv Do you support subtitles?
Charlemagneffxiv 5y ago
We do. I am unsure if we have subtitles enabled for this film at the moment.
anabolic92 5y ago
That “Red Pill” has barely nothing to do withou our Red Pill and it’s more like just MRA. It just shows how miss informed and idiot the creator was and rather just interested to hit a controversial topic
TheStumblingWolf 5y ago
Our Red Pill is not part of their's, but their's is part of ours. This documentary should be just as much required material as the sidebar is.