I was sitting at a bar back in the town I grew up in, but moved away from after high school a few years back. One of the bartenders was a girl I knew growing up who I hadn't spoken with in some time--we'll call her Sarah. The other bartender was a fairly pretty young woman, too--Jessica.
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So I'm sitting there drinking my beer and chatting with the older gentleman next to me. Him and I get to talking about how I grew up around here and actually knew Sarah from way back when. His daughters go to the same high school Sarah and I did. He says she's pretty--I agree. He asks me why don't I talk to her now and catch up. I say because she's busy running laps around the bar, doing her job and I don't care to bother her. He says he'll help me and he shouts at her:
"Sarah! Hey! This guy wants to know where you live."
Gee thanks buddy. I get it was an attempt at humor but did you really have to throw me under the bus? We were getting along just fine--this is not how you wingman.
I decide to say nothing. Jessica puts on a mean, sassy sort of look like she's practiced on all the bitches that doublecross her and she says to me "Why do you want to know that? So you can stalk her? Huh?"
I still say nothing. I raise my eyebrows to give a look that says "Are you fucking kidding me? I didn't even ask that. Thanks, though." and held that frame without budging. Her expression completely flips into a worried, frantic look and she starts yammering "I was just kidding! I was just kidding! Sorry!"
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You're god damn right you were just kidding.
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Had I defended myself I would've, well, been put on the defensive. I would've had to justify a totally offputting, low SMV thing I didn't actually say and I would've looked completely weak. So remember--you can't let them break you down. You know who you are, you know what you say, and you are not going bother falling into their little trap to make you look weaker than you are. Go forth and hold frame, folks.
EDIT: As other posters have pointed out, I realize I was wrong. I made a mistake. I should've kept it fun and lighthearted, and I should've agreed/amplified. I suppose I was more concerned with "holding frame" at all costs than just holding the frame of having a good time and enjoying myself--which I was up until that point (and even was after). Let this post be a lesson that we all still have learning to do on our journey toward redpill happiness.
JamesGoody 5y ago
do you really want to teach something young padawan?
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BUT...
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Wait. Hold on.
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Where you really non-reactive?
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" Her expression completely flips into a worried, frantic look and she starts yammering "I was just kidding! I was just kidding! Sorry!"
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Your body tells more than thousand words. she knew she unleashed an emotion inside of you - she knew she got you.
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you on the other hand think that you won the frame battle - but you didn´t.
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you on the other hand seem not to understand that you should not take yourself and life so fucking serious.
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you on the other hand seem not to understand that women love bantering, flirting and you were robbing her of the joy to feel sexual attraction for a guy that just gets it and does not look mean or offended by a little girls bantering...
instead she apologized, because you looked kinda mad.
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are you a value giver or taker? do you want to make people feel good or bad? do you enjoy having a fun time with people or are you a serious boring asshole everybody hates? do you want to enjoy giving girls the gift of playful flirting and attraction or do you like to look mad?
these are questions you should ask yourself before you "try" to teach your brand new discoveries of people with no sense of game.
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peace
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GirTheRobot 5y ago
These are good points and I will consider them, thank you. In fact, I agree with the other posters that I should've agreed and amplified and kept it fun. But I've learned my lesson. I was going to delete this thread but figured I'd let it stay up so people can see mistakes.
JamesGoody 5y ago
I love your growth attitude and that you dont take my comment as somethig mean.
love
james
GirTheRobot 5y ago
I think I'll just edit the original in case anyone stops by...
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Feelinggood702 5y ago
Lol you guys look at small scale things such as raising an eyebrow and making her react to that compared to the full interactions with people. Lmao. Just want to point out that people are a lot more complex than just dominating a situation and getting ego gratification from that... you’re comparing a fucking tree to a goddamn forest. Its like you’ve never had friends or a girlfriend before sorry not sorry.
But yeah focus on growth but you gotta eventually stop focusing on small scale shit like this
DareyFathom 5y ago
I prefer to agree and amplify so somehing like, "I needed to tell my friend where he is picking me up tomorrow morning" would have been more my line.
GirTheRobot 5y ago
That could work too, though idk if it would in this context. I wasn't that quick to think so I took the other route--not saying anything.
Raizzen 5y ago
I think any sort of answer beyond that point would have made you look defensive. She initiated the attack and you had to defend. But by not acknowledging anything there'd be no attack to defend from to begin with. Just a thought.
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
I think that game is really situation dependent. You're framing it like you're already sold on the idea of sleeping with her, even though it's cocky and funny she's still the chooser.
The guys I know who spit that just throw enough shit at the wall, but when it works, you know immediately.
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Valenx_Ackerman 5y ago
Not about this thread but I have the believe that people on this sub tend to shape their real life stories to get tons of karma from TRP users, otherwise they will get downvoted. Like if something happen in their lifes then they spend the back home trip thinking how they can change the story to the most alpha attitude possiblity...
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Honestly, I've read dozens of stupid unbelievable zerotohero or nerdtoChad stories like a 45 yo guy who divorced and is able to get a threesome with 2 hot teen girls within a week, guys that have "massive gym gains" in 3 months, a guy that went an entire year unemployed and get a 6 figure job from nowhere... You can find a lot of awesome content on this sub, but I personally avoid Chad/alpha fairy tales.
jhx264 5y ago
What you can say with a look, don't say with words. Well done
Brickles09 5y ago
Didn’t get it, did you actually say something or just raised your eyebrows to her?
GirTheRobot 5y ago
Sorry it wasn't clear. I edited it for clarity. the look is what said it.
king_dcruz 5y ago
sounds like regular people joking around and you took it too serious
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[deleted] 5y ago
This. The bar tender knew he was joking. Old men at the bar are usually regulars and it's probably not the first time he's done it.
LucidCunning 5y ago
I think it's hilarious when someone tries to give the OP different advice when the OP succeeded doing it his way.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
He doesn’t care. He’s not playing as he has no interest in winning what was on offer.
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Starfuckingman 5y ago
I absolutely agree. Some people just needs time to get it.
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Hyper_Sonik 5y ago
What's with all these newbis posting their 2 minute convo with girls???? Ive been on here for 2 + years and the amount of new content is drowning out the quality posts we used to be blessed with.
_be_happy_ 5y ago
The hard part for not fully unplugged is that some of the posts sounds like good TRP example, something to emulate, but in reality is not the best way out of particular situation.
I though that quarantine would increase the quality, but well, we will see.
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Locko_O 5y ago
sooo .. you rather wanna scare her than talk to her? sorry but that was no good game