Summary: Girl I cold approached "is seeing someone" but wants alpha fucks, with bonus shit test.
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I got this girl's number by cold approach after a situation where I have small social proof. I just went to say hello to her this time and later decided to try game her.
After two weeks I set up a dinner date at her place via text. I had her number briefly, so I had to game her from 0 the whole evening at her place. I had to take it slow and calibrate a lot. It took me about 7 hours from when I arrived at her place till we had sex. We basically didn’t know each other at all.
The first time I tried to make out with her, she accepted the kiss but kinda moved away, an giving me shit tests like "I'm not sure about this"; " I didn't know what to expect about tonight". I played it chill, not caring about the rejection, taking a step back and started a new conversation on another topic. After one hour I tried again and she refused it again, saying like "I'm still not sure about this". Again, same strategy. But hey, I was still in her room, she didn't tell me to leave or she didn't mention she wanted to go to sleep. She was very engagin in the conversations. The biggest IOI is always: she is still there. I make more jokes and build more comfort. Later we sat both on the couch next to each other and I make out with her, that later escalated to sex. Great sex.
So far, so good..
Tonight, I went to her place again. We were chilling on the couch, right when I was about to start physical escalation (for sex), she throws me a big shit test: “I feel a little bit guilty about last time because I'm seeing a guy.”; “I don't know if it was right”, the she started talking about the dude, etc. But also said “it also felt good” (the 1st date sex). She even mentioned that this guy would come later to her place (?!).
I agreed and asked two questions about the dude, without caring about it, and being indifferent. I maintained my frame and briefly changed the topic and went for make-out and physical escalation that led to sex.
After the great sex, we were cuddling a bit and I was answering a bit in a cocky way, but without even realizing it. I was just answering naturally and teasing her (took me 6 months to get back to this level, again). She would nip me on multiple occasions. I make her notice the clock many times and she insisted that I would stay 10 more minutes. Final make-out then bye.
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Lessons Learned
- Lesson 1: AWALT
- Lesson 2: Passing shit tests by agreeing and showing that you don't care by changing topic. Is a good alternative strategy to the agree & amplify tecnique. Show that you're not thrown off by her shit test. What she said is an irrelevant information for you. It doesn't change anything. You're so cool that you don't even see any other guy.
- Lesson 3: After a while that you game consistently you begin to internalize all the concepts, so the way you behave is natural.
studentsensei 5y ago
And if she really likes you then you'll end up like me and never know that the chick you were dating had a boyfriend the entire time until she calls you to tell you that she's pregnant with his child.
...Then she'll turn around and try to date you some more after her miscarriage.
KeffirLime 5y ago
This is the most important takeaway. If she doesn't want you there, you won't be there. She'll find some/any reason to get rid of you.
Most guys take a missed kiss as a rejection and pull back, but If she stays put it means she's just not sure yet, she needs more time/info to qualify you. In your case, gauge whether your value was higher than the other guy she was seeing.
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KinkysMT 5y ago
Demonstrate high value by staying in set until she leave or she tells you to leave.
Unrealenting 5y ago
No only means No until it means Yes.
SensualSeduction01 5y ago
Wouldn’t that be a waste of time tho? 7 hours?
KinkysMT 5y ago
Why waste of time? We both had a great time cooking, eating together and enjoyed a nice conversation with a good glass of wine. Sex it's just the cherry on the cake at the end of the night.
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Goomich 5y ago
I hope you haven't forgot to leave a note in toilet for the guy.
Gristle__McThornbody 5y ago
Are you also suppose to leave the used condom taped to the note? I'm still learning.
SteveStJohn 5y ago
LOL
That's really good.
KeithR420 5y ago
Thats so fucking smart only guys have to lift the thing before pissing
JcHgvr 5y ago
Who keeps pen, paper and a silver tape in their bathroom / toilet ?
thedaynos 5y ago
this is retarded. unless you are utterly disgusted with this girl, don't do this.
you don't even know if she has a boyfriend. the op described it as a "shit test" so it's likely he doesn't believe her.
even if he did, why would you leave this note? if it's truly a shit test then she's probably going to find it sooner than later. Or one of her guy friends. then you get called out on it next time you go to a bar and see her? or she tells her friend?
or what if she does have a bf and he's super beta and blames you for this, now you have this guy wanting to kick your ass and start shit?
good way to make enemies when you don't need to.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
You shouldn't even do this if you are disgusted with the chick.
This is how women are. Best get used to the idea, and give yourself credit for finally being on the other side of the hypergamy equation.
thedaynos 5y ago
this image needs it's own thread regarding don't EVER do this shit
DBOLinouttacontrol 5y ago
Pissing off a girl you just had sex with is a bad idea period. 90% chance this guy shows her the note, and what happens when women want to prove to their boyfriend that she didn't cheat, but can't deny sex happened?
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
DUNH DUNH DUNH!!! He raped me!!! I was too drunk to consent!
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
It’s fucking hilarious and brilliant if and only if she does have a boyfriend and you don’t care about the possibility of him blowing up on her. It’s like black-knighting a girl: it likely ruins your future chances of fucking her, and it doesn’t really provide you any benefit from a purely physical and amoral standpoint, but (like sex itself) it sure is satisfying.
thedaynos 5y ago
How is it satisfying to fuck someone's life up? Especially a girl u barely know who just had sex w u? I dont get it. You game the shit out of this girl and I suppose you spend some time w her to do that, In the process getting to know her and then being intimate with her. Then like 20 minutes later u wanna fuck her life up? And some dude u dont even know as well? How is that a thing? It's stupid.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
I have as much loyalty to a woman I just had casual sex with as I do to her unsuspecting boyfriend, which is to say there is no loyalty involved. If I don’t feel like fucking her anymore, why not tip the poor sod off? She ruined her own relationship by cheating, and just like if I’m not the one she cheats with it would be someone else, if I’m not the one to tip him off, it would happen eventually.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
It doesn't bring anything to you so that's a waste of time. If anything you alienate somebody, the girl that may not accept to be your plate anymore or that may decide to retaliate too.
Maybe you'll do it 10 or 20 time without issue, just wasted time, but the one after may have consequence you do not like. It is about being pragmatic. Many rules like "do not kill" are not just moral, they are also pragmatic.
Of course if you live for doing such things you might want to do it anyway, but that might get in the way at times.
thedaynos 5y ago
I never mentioned loyalty, yet for some reason you feel loyal to the dude.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
My god, you’re dumb. I don’t advocate tipping off every boyfriend of every woman you may fuck. That’s counterintuitive to ever fucking those women again.
But if you’re not planning on doing that anyway, you can either do nothing (which is fine as well as the default option), or tip the guy off because why not, it does something good for someone and it’s satisfying to set karma in motion.
thedaynos 5y ago
Yeah throwing a wrench like that into two people's lives, people who u don't even know, is somehow setting off good karma and satisfying? Lol
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thedaynos 5y ago
You guys are on some pussy cockblock shit. Fuck yall. Bringing that karma onto yourself on purpose. Have fun w ruining people's lives for no reason.
X-Trem0 5y ago
Any way to identify if you're the "other dude"?
I know that I shouldn't care... but I actually kind of do
atticusfinch1973 5y ago
So you’re her plate. Awesome for you, crappy for the beta who thinks she’s a delicate flower.
TheGoldenLeprechaun 5y ago
Been on ask trp lately so im gonna treat this the same way. You smashed a ho who has a bf. Then you smashed her again so her ho status is confirmed. I wouldn't even plate her, I'd ghost. STD rates are increasing too rapidly for my liking.
Edit: And she had 2 weeks + the 7hr first date you fucked, to tell you she had a man. And didn't. What else could she be hiding? Treacherous ho's bro. Be careful.
FU-ThatsY 5y ago
Seeing the forest for the trees.
furiouszeno 5y ago
You're still stuck in the anger phase.
JcHgvr 5y ago
Make sure your John wears a coat when he's out.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
DED
Problem is Long John Silver is a one legged pirate who plunders pussy. Its quite hot where he lives, coats make him sweat too much
[deleted] 5y ago
Exactly what i was thinking. If she's such a slut and takes dick because she can't say no, who knows what else she fucked, and what STDs she got from it in her dirty cunt.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
If you try yourself to get many plates, then you are part of the problem for spreading STD too. Chances are you'll mostly get girls doing the same as yourself, and yes compared to a basic beta couple, you likely have hundred time more chances to get some STD.
thedaynos 5y ago
what does it matter if she has a bf or not?
why wouldn't you plate her? a ho's a ho bruh. don't get caught up in worrying about who else she's sleeping with. who cares really.
she might not even have a boyfriend maybe she is plating guys just like this guy is plating girls.
TheGoldenLeprechaun 5y ago
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This is how you end up in a scenario where you're butt naked balls hangin out. And when the dude shows up it's fisticuffs, except, your balls are swinging in the breeze and he's fully clothed with shoes on.
And the possible bonus reward? Asymptomatic highly antibiotic resistant gonorrhea aka The Clap 2.0
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I mean, I guess he could keep smashing. But there so many more options out there, I just don't see a good reason to deliberately get tangled up with other peoples drama.
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[deleted] 5y ago
Yea, I think the keyword is “guilty”. So he might not be her BF, but she at least knows she’s doing something wrong.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Explain me how we can train and encourage each other to have plates on one side and complain that girls do the same on the other side ?
Also from a logical point of view it can't work.
If men have many partners then likely women have too. if we think women have only 1 partner, it just mean that most mens have no partner and that our behavior is detrimental to men (that get nothing) even more than women (that at least get some sex experience)..
Reality is that if you behave like a guy that just want sex for tonight, you'll get girls that just want sex for tonight too. The default shall be assuming that she has lot of plates herself, more than you actually because it is much easier for girls.
Actually I don't see how this is a problem ?
thedaynos 5y ago
lol man any sexual encounter can expose you to all sorts of shit. on this site we talk about "plates" quite a bit so i'm not sure why a girl saying she has a boyfriend is any kind of more dangerous exposure than having a plate and not even having a clue what her sexual situation is.
at no point in the sidebar does it mention to only have sex with virgins and to make sure you understand a woman's sexual history before smashing. in fact i'm sure it mentions somewhere that you should assume her N count is close to infinity.
tempolaca 5y ago
My ex is "seeing" this guy. It's 45 year old, loads of money. Sports cars, etc.
Huge, huge beta. He pick her up, they go to eat and bring her to her home. No sex. Several days a week. They have sex every 10-15 days or so (friend of ex confided me).
I fucked her 2 o 3 times/day in all holes . But she leaved because I used too much dread (too much an asshole) and she got involved with this huge beta, but she didn't erased me from her contacts, and we chat once in a while. Awalt.
sanitypanacea 5y ago
key word that makes me question the frequency: her friend.
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replepok 5y ago
All responses except CLEAR ones are an invitation, but will you be successful at the event... maybe.
WildPhilosophy 5y ago
Uh, you were at her place. That ain't no IOI.
KinkysMT 5y ago
She could have said she was tired / whatever excuse anytime to send me home.
She didn't.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
Don't listen to that guy. He's an incel. If a girl is still keeping you around after a failed advance it definitely means you still have a chance, as you proved.
WildPhilosophy 5y ago
I had a plate tell me she asked me to have sex with her because she figured I wanted it and that was the easiest way to get rid of me. If your goal is getting laid, it works. But don't flatter yourself. It's not an IOI.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Agonizing over what is or isn't an IOI is what causes most newbies to freeze up at the wrong moment.
Anything she says or does that isn't designed to immediately get rid of you can be assumed to be an IOI.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
Is she a plate or a hookup? Nothing you said makes any sense.