Just like AWALT, this is not to be taken literally, but as a thumb rule to develop our game further.
Ever heard of a woman who knows a really hot guy and doesn't end up fucking him sooner or later? No? Well you are not the only one. That is because they will do everything at their reach, they will lose their minds for him, and they will make it happen.
It's no news that women have it much easier than us. However, my understanding of TRP went a step ahead when I realized what the title describes. This is a fundamental difference in our biologies. A woman doesn't always fuck a man because she is genuinely interested in him as a person or whatever. At a primal level, they do it because they perceive this man as the ultimate alpha that they can reach in that moment, no matter whatever official reason they say. Women won't get out of their way to fuck a 6 or 7 when they have access to a 9. We men aim to smash the highest quality possible, but once we get there, we dont straight up dismiss anything worse than a 9 - we are still capable of appreciating them and even doing them if the situation requires it. When was the last time you saw a women doing this? It is hard coded in out biology - we are made to spread the genes accross as many females as possible, while they have to select the best males to mate with. The moment a woman gets fucked by a 9, they won't enjoy ever sex again after they get dumped. Men have preferences, women have requirements. You don't want to be the guy losing his mind over one girl, you want to be the one that girls do everything to obtain.
saltymike69 5y ago
Even though a lot of girls are like this (Eg. party girls, rich girls, ect), I can't say that all girls are that way. Some of them (even the most attractive ones) are a lot less shallow and would prefer a quality human and relationship than someone of the highest value. But regardless, I do agree that this is an issue and it's pretty silly.
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Nicolas0631 5y ago
You can but that has drawback. Most people here explain how they use girls as plate but theses girl also use men as plate.
Now on the opposite of the spectrum, a majority of the population is in LTR without any of that bullshit.
For sure there high likelyness for you to find a partner that can't be trusted whatever your sex and for sure you should thread with caution, but if your behavior assume that and make you behave in a way that no partner you'd like to meet/live with will ever consider you, that's a problem too.
barserek 5y ago
I have a question for you guys. Sometimes women have access to 9s (because men who are 9s will sometimes fuck lesser quality women) yet they still fuck or date the 6 or 7 guy.
How do you explain hot women dating ugly,fat,unsuccessful men (betas), when they could be sleeping with much higher quality guys?
I see this with some of my women friends who are actually hot, smart, etc and they "settle" for some guys when they absolutely could be dating much better men, both physically and in terms of success.
Is it just plain luck from the male's perspective and women just "roll with it" after a while? Is it because they see them as better providers than the "bad boy asshole"?
Is it that women perceive themselves as lower value so they might not even take a shot at a 9 and stick with the guy that she knows for a fact she can fuck?
MrCongeniality1 5y ago
Good question. The answer is that women don't care about fucking the way men do. Men care about sexual conquest, women care about emotional conquest. Fucking an alpha that gives zero fucks about them is a bit of a cheap thrill, like a guy fucking the easiest girl in town. It satisfies a need, but only just. Regardless of what women say about enjoying sex "just as much" as men, they are getting tingly over the attention of a worthwhile man.
Slim attention from an alpha man and full devotion from a lesser man is a comparable offer to women.
barserek 5y ago
This makes absolute sense. I guess certain women decide to play "the long game" getting full attention from a lesser man instead of risk getting a 5 minute fuck with alphas.
Of course they might still cheat given the circumstance, but I think some women will try to keep that man they feel they can tame, sort of playing it safe.
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rosbergsessa420 5y ago
The vast majority of women will fuck the one they perceive the highest value. It's a slim minority that takes other things into account. Also, most of the women who settle with betas have hit the wall, which means they don't really play the sexual market game anymore. They just get what they can get. When a woman is high value, SHE KNOWS IT. She has probably been high value since forever and grew up with the mindset for it. There's no way a girl is high value and doesn't know it (permanent male attention/validation, etc)
barserek 5y ago
I understand the logic, but it seems somewhat different in reality. I've seen plenty of examples of high value women, in their prime, constantly being showered with attention and possible fucks with high quality guys, yet they date and have LTRs with completely ordinary men.
As you say, they know they are high value -at least physically- and might even play the game for the attention, yet they won't fuck the highest value guys interacting with them, staying in LTRs with a plain, regular guy.
Why would they make this decision if they -from a male's perspective- could do so much better? That's why I said maybe the insecurities play an important role in keeping the beta instead of risking getting used by a higher value guy.
Just throwing some ideas here.
DeontologicalSanders 5y ago
While I agree with most of what you are saying, realize that you are framing this part of it solely from a male point-of-view. You use the word "appreciate" in a way that implies men and women "appreciate" each other in the same way. They don't.
A woman shows her true appreciation for a man by having sex with him. A man shows his true appreciation for a woman by parceling out his time, attention, and resources to her, once she has earned them. Each sex only feels "appreciated" by the other when they receive something they inherently lack. Sex is scarce and more difficult to obtain for men than it is for women, so therefore it is more valuable to us. In turn, getting sex by itself can make us feel valuable. Women on the other hand can get sex quite easily; it's everything else, money, power, status, influence, personal confidence, that they suck at getting. Those are the scarce items that they seek from men; sex alone will not fulfill that need. To a woman, a man just fucking her with no further investment may make her feel physically satisfied, but not appreciated, at least not in the way she seeks.
It would be equivalent to a woman spending time with you, going out with you, and having meaningful personal conversations with you, but without ever opening her legs. Maybe it was enjoyable at first and showed promise, but after a while, it wouldn't make you feel appreciated. Just used.
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
Basically: "women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are the gatekeepers to commitment."
Ansec 5y ago
That last part sounds like my early relationships.
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MurkyArtichoke 5y ago
I think this is especially important to remember in adherence to The Lightswitch Effect. How many times have you yourself experienced a girl showing interest in you, then she suddenly stops responding to you or ghosts you, and you sit there wondering what you did wrong? Just go to a dating sub here on reddit and read the hundreds of posts from guys who can't seem to understand why a girl who's interested in them just suddenly wants to remain friends, or they get ghosted. That's because women make their decisions based on their emotional state. At that moment, you were the highest value man she had access to. That's why she showed so much interest in you, maybe even slept with you once. But once she has access to a man of higher value, she will latch herself to him and leave you on 'read'.
During my dating experiences over the years i never struggled to get dates, but i always struggled to keep them interested in me. After a few weeks, maybe a month, they would always ghost me or just tell me "i think it's best if we remain friends". That's because they got access to a man of higher value. I've even witnessed how some girls i dated will be out next weekend with another dude they had probably been talking to when they we're seeing me. I meant nothing to them anymore.
I have a very recent great example of this. I met this hot single mom at the bar two weeks ago. She immediately started chatting me up and was all over me. It didn't take long before she suggested we went home to my place. Why? Because she saw me as high value in her eyes, AT THAT MOMENT. I looked good, i have a good job(safety for her kid), i was surrounded by friends. All the green flags for her. Her emotional state told her i was her best option. I actually learned that a guy who works at the bar has/had(not sure if they still meet) a fling with her, and he loves her, but she doesn't love him back. She obviously only slept with this bartender because he was her best option at the time. She now considered branching towards me instead.
I got her social media, and a few days ago i saw her getting tagged in a post by a guy to some cringey relationship stuff(it was a post with 'tag a person who made your past weeks so much better' and he tagged her and she commented a heart-emoji back). This guy is kind of a semi-celeb in my town. Photographer, takes pics of models and is a successful artist. The pattern is so blatant when you get used to it. She's showing hypergamy 101 trying to find the best possible high value man to care for her and her offspring.
MrCongeniality1 5y ago
This comment is true, just don't take away from it that money/status is all that matters. Frame is very powerful. I've never been broken up with. I'm not a jerk, but I consider a woman's presence in my life to be about my happiness and won't think twice about them if one of us moves on. They can sense this and it is unbearable for a woman to think that a man will just forget about her. I even had a fling that continued to stalk me after she got married. I have good SMV but I'm no king of manhood, I just having the frame of an autistic psychopath.
Ansec 5y ago
Once you start seeing the code you can't unsee it. I like to sit back and observe people and laugh.
My buddies GF used to ask me to hangout all the time. And I did because she had hot friends. She once asked if I'd tell my buddy if her and I ever fucked. I told her that I'd never fuck her. She stopped asking me to hangout after that. I believe she was trying to swing. I make triple what my buddy makes, I'm slightly better looking, and much more assertive.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
And this is why women are so goddamn evil. Obviously men are dogs, but I truly do not think the vast majority would pursue their girlfriend’s friend.
moltenw 5y ago
They aren't evil, they are what they are.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Most people would.
My bestest buddies GF tried comming onto me hard a month before she found someone else to bang.
I think im one of two men in the world that doesnt chase their friends sloppy seconds. I turned down the chick my mom always thought id marry cause she banged too many of my good friends, while treating me as the beta for our teenage years.
Thank god i discovered trp. You guys saved me a lifetime of happiness with a 8.5/10.
rosbergsessa420 5y ago
This is in fact what got me to discover TRP in first place. At that moment, still blue pilled, I got really annoying asking her why she stopped answering and saying the most clingy shit you could imagine (she had a bf at that time but was still sexting with me and about to cheat on him - silly me believing she wouldn't do that for anyone else). The official response was the go-to "I need to find myself again" or shit like "I still like you but I need to be left alone" blablabla. Oh the bullshit. They can't be alone. She had just found a better one to dump her bf for.
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Yes also this, also with a single mom. They are so damn obvious about the entire strategy. They literally go on a hunt for men. At that moment I was her best option and she was all over the place about it, then she just wouldnt even say hi anymore. Few days later she's official with some dude. Once you really learn how it works this is perfectly normal, you really gotta be stupid not to notice this. But for BPers this can be a source of frustration, very hard to recover from.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Single moms are food for betas.
I have a few on facebook and i have to say its interesting to watch the 72 hour turnover between breakup, AF and then back to being an Alpha widow because no man wants to commit with her, then going to yhe bar with their friends and finding a loser.
Like its the exact same patteren every time and its sad. Say no to single moms, and as someone who has a good paying job relitave to where im from, its never hard to get laid when i visit home because all of the women here know a child support cheque from me qould be equivalent to what they would make earning minimum wage, and unlike most of my generation i have work boots and am handsome.
But go back to oilfield country whete sone hick in a lifted truck thats only in town three days a month is willing to write a hottie a cheque to be his expenses paid girlfriend.....how the fuck do you compete with that.
rosbergsessa420 5y ago
Yes. I had a few on my antisocial media as well and the behavior is so blatant. The worst part is that many of them are really good looking and I wouldn't mind doing them just for variety, but once you notice how they act it's a huge turnoff. I mean whats even the point, it's basically a woman hitting the wall. Because indeed, what they do is basically skipping all the way to The Wall ™ , in their way to approach anything. Every move they make is a card they play, with the ONLY goal in mind of hunting a Billy that will cover the expenses, and luckily go out of town here and there so she can fuck something else.
I mean at this point, sex to them is almost secondary. They will only use it as a tool to get something else.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
I have one; on zuccbook. Gather around boys, Mini FR.
Shes a 9.75, 80 pounds soaking wet, beautiful;horrible attitude, knows she can get away with anything because shes hot, two babydaddies, both extremely low SMV and both of them dont pay child support.
So all her friends who are just as attractive give her validation in the form of "strong independent woman" and "single mommie power", so this reinforces in her mind she doesnt need a man,
Everytime she goes out to the bar she posts pictures with Chads, guys with muscle who are dressed nice. Then she gets a medium-high SMV man who has a good job, a boat, ect ect.
He pumps and dumps her, this causes a flipout that lasts about a week (sharing memes about how men are jerks, single mommie pow wows ect ect), and i jokingly tell her its time to stop going for the badboys and find a nice guy real man..... It had the effect of tsar bomba in relativity to red pills, the conversation that started and womans disgust and openness towards using betas.....its like mainlining straight red pill while doing handfulls at a time and taking a watermellon sized suppositorie....they know they can get away with it,
80% of men dont exist to these women, even the ones whos looks are fading and have nothing to offer in terms of a relationship, and have other mens children.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Me too. Had much more trouble keeping them interested than getting my foot in the door.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
I just had this happen with one of my plates a couple weeks ago. Everything was going great; good sex, we had fun together, etc. Then one day she didnt respond to my message. She gave me some line about being busy with work and closing on a house. I told her no problem, take all the space she needs. A few nights later she gets tagged in a bar with friends lol. She obviously found another dude. Oh well, not my fault she has bad taste!
rosbergsessa420 5y ago
thats a bit of a BP statement, sounds like "her loss" - nope maatje she actually traded up, she actually won. she couldnt give two shits about what happened to you. in contrast, you got left wondering, dumped with the shittiest made up excuses ever.
But yes overall I agree. they can literally switch in a matter of seconds. the moment they see their new perceived alpha for the first time, they can't ignore the tingles and they WILL do something about it. it's scary.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
Maybe she did trade up. Who cares though? She will probably be back at some point, and I have others that are giving me the same thing she did. It's all good. She wasnt mine, it was just my turn.
rosbergsessa420 5y ago
No she won't be back and that's not even the issue. Think forward, dude. You think too much about a crashed Ford Fiesta when you should be working on a new Mercedes.
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ArdAtak 5y ago
You see this all the time. Guys dating or married to hot women yet cheating with lesser women just for variety. Women will lock on the best man they can get and only look to trade UP.
MrCongeniality1 5y ago
Unless they are post-wall and/or already have a kid in tow. Then they will attach themselves to a provider and give beta bill just enough sex to keep him around (while cheating, of course).
tempolaca 5y ago
For a >30 year old women, a provider is probably the best man she can get, because it's the best, for her. She don't need alpha cock that much at that age.
MrCongeniality1 5y ago
Negative. She might temporarily value whatever dude will give her comfort when she's motivated to secure a man and a kid, but she will eventually cheat with an alpha guy. I still get gray hairs telling me that I'm a handsome man and acting like shy little girls. Women don't stop tingling for alpha attention.
Omnibrad 5y ago
AWALT is to be taken literally. All women are influenced by hypergamy. All women. AWALT is the phrase we use when women display their hypergamy. While some women are good at concealing their hypergamy, and this may convince you that not all women are hypergamous, but really - ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.
NeedingAdvice86 5y ago
This is silly.
Are you not fucking the hottest girls that you have access to and can attract enough to fuck?
People have sex with the highest value\most attractive person that they can attract at a given time...
You ain't some Penis Saint doling your dick to a bunch of HB2s as a some sort of charity.
eyewant 5y ago
Men are attracted to variety. Ever heard of Genghis Khan?
NeedingAdvice86 5y ago
Has nothing to do with my comment....
Don't know what that has to do with the quality of girls that you are attracted toward but what the fuck ever.
Perhaps you need to read comments more thoroughly instead of just leaping to the asinine dissertations on what men have to be attracted toward and ways that they have to behave.
eyewant 5y ago
Your original comment suggests that men are as hypergamous as women. Yeah people have sex with the highest value\most attractive person that they can attract at a given time, but women have far stricter requirements than men.
NeedingAdvice86 5y ago
This is just bitterness toward women...every fucking person on the planets wants to sleep with the very best partner that they can attract.....end of story.
If you are throwing dick at HB2s then that is because none of the HB10s in the club is giving you the time of day...there ain't no damn person who is going to select the HB2 landwhale to take home to fuck if Barbie, the HB10 swimsuit model is pulling them toward the door.
Women are no different or evil or worst or better in this regard...and it is STUPID to try to cast some dispersion on them because they chose the 6-1 muscular dude with the big social group and throws house parties at his parents lakehouse every weekend instead of a dweeb video player who spends weekends lounging around the dorm watching Twilight and playing Fortnite for hours.
Because this is ultimately the basic beef....irritation that women don't pick the guy that the bitter dudes want her to chose...usually some semblance of them.
eyewant 5y ago
I have no bitterness toward women. I just accept the fact that women evolutionarily have been coded by nature to have stricter requirements for sex. They have a lot more to lose in sex(they get pregnant), so they can't have standards like men.
Men basically had nothing to lose in fucking anyone who would let them. It just meant that their genes spread.
This is a requirement for our species to evolve. Women are the ones doing the sexual selection.
What's different between men and women is that a women will never have sex with a man who is of lower SMV than them. If she cant get the guy she wants at the time, she can simply go without. But if a guy cant aquire the HB he wanted in the club, many times he fucks a lower rating woman.
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
Dude my rule is 5.1 and above. I'm going for the hottest one I can bang that night, so the 5.1's are rare. But I'm still going to do it if I want to.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
No. Men prefer to have sex with attractive women but also want to have sex with the highest quantity of women that they can. However, women generally want to have sex with the most attractive man that they can at a given time, either by dating him or by employing an AF/BB strategy, because they can only get pregnant by one man at a time.
Think about it like this, if a woman was dating a guy that was the number one alpha of the world, what would be the biological incentive to cheat on him and get impregnated by an inferior man?
Nicolas0631 5y ago
This doesn't had up with this thread. This thread clearly explain that the girl just take the best guy she can get at the right moment. And this is exactly what a guy does to get quantity too.
Maybe a guy that has a nice girlfriend will be more willing to go out finding another girl even if she not as great for variety but when he his out doing that he will try to get the best girl available.
The girl will go try find the better man and maybe she will not accept as low SMV man as a man would have accepted for a girl, but they both focus on the best they can get.
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tempolaca 5y ago
Women always trade up, but if she's hitting the wall, she will gladly trade for a beta bucks, much to your horror. My ex LTR is dating a older/richer guy that is the epitome of beta, but hey, she hit the wall some years ago.
avtarius 5y ago
"Men have preferences, women have requirements. You don't want to be the guy losing his mind over one girl, you want to be the one that girls do everything to obtain." - u/rosbergsessa420 Nov, 2018
10211799107 5y ago
This is TRP101. Nothing new. Have you read the sidebar?
Da_RectumWrecker 5y ago
Hardly anyone is going to come up with revolutionary new information at this point. We have learned almost all there is to know about sexual strategy for the moment. All we can do is to present the same information a bunch of different ways. People learn differently, something may have been said before, but maybe the way OP said it will make someone else understand the material better. Stop with these "this isnt new information" comments.
throwabcdaway3 5y ago
We have a keyboard alpha here