The author of the article seems to target not so smart people who think they are abused smart people and need to buy a book that say them exactly that so that they can feel a little bit better.
If you are smart and put your brain on the subject, of course you have no problem to abuse others if that's important for you. If you can't do that, you are not that smart. I don't say you shall do it, but if you are smart, at least you can. To pretend the contrary make no sence to me and may only concern moderaly effective people that didn't get it yet.
If you insist on the idea either you are not so smart, or you want to abuse some not so smart people.
Although this is somewhat off topic, and more than just a bit self-aggrandizing, I thought it would still be an interesting perspective for people here, who are most likely a self-selected group of above average intelligences due to the nature of the subject on TRP.
You should read some of his other stuff, such as "Enjoy the Decline." I'm not saying he is a towering intellectual, but he actually offers the most pragmatic course of action available to us, given the array of bad options that we face.
I wish someone would have told me the same thing before I read the Roosh V article posted here yesterday. Simply some of the worst writing I have seen and completely endorsed by the "intellectuals" of the sub.
The whole article could have been a download from my own brain.
I have the same criticisms for the article that I have for myself:
If you believe it, you believe smart people are the real victims.. victim mentality
It's bitter. There are reasons to be bitter, yet if you put it in writing no one's going to buy it except those who already know it. Also, public bitter writings is bad for your reputation (social proof basically)
He raises a problem, implies no solution, which dovetails with 1.
[added] He/I have issues grasping the darwinian nature of reality.
I'm guilty of everything I'm accusing but I'm trying to get past that. I'm looking to cull a 'live and let die'* attitude without being bitter nor shit evil.
*based on accepting there is so much I can not control, not based on sheer apathy and indifference. There is a fine line, at least I'm trying to find it.
I remember going down this road and feeling exactly this way, for a time in my early 20s. Looking back decades later, I didn't know shit about shit yet, and it was a period of insufferable pedantry and arrogance, and of all losses and no gains socially.
Something that kind of snapped me out of it one day. I was walking in moderate foot traffic, and spotted an older woman approaching. She was somewhat overdressed, lots of makeup, jewelry, accessories, the whole nine. I started thinking all this judgy stuff about her: All this materialistic shit... So much money spent on superficial fakeness... Does it really buy her happiness though? As our paths converged I had this smug smirk on my face. She glanced over, saw me smiling, and smiled back! Then she looked back ahead, passed me and was gone.
From the wreckage of my prior train of thought rose a simple, "Well, fuck!"
People on the smart end of the Dunning-Kruger effect have their own blindnesses and `predispositions to discover and probe in themselves.
This writer takes it in the opposite direction and globally overestimates his own intelligence and worth. This is usually diagnostic of a lack of self-challenge, a deficiency in selecting peers and role models superior to oneself, and a lack of accomplishments that are genuinely superior or beneficial.
I can't speak to his actual intelligence quotient, I don't know him. And I agree he is very forthcoming with his opinion of himself (it's his entire brand if you follow him), but I've always wondered this:
If being smart is something you're not allowed to talk about, and every time somebody talks about it is an indication that they must not be smart, then can a conversation about being smart ever take place?
Surely there exists at least two people on the planet who must be?
I've always noticed people shut down talk like this in a very similar way you did, and while I don't consider myself to be anything of a genius, I always wonder- if it can't be spoken about, then what people are really saying is they don't think it can happen (or don't like the idea that it can happen).
being smart is something you're not allowed to talk about
people shut down talk like this in a very similar way you did
Not sure how you got not allowed/shutting down discussion from what I said. I recognize his position and empathize with it from personal familiarity. What I'm saying is, it's a way point in the personal growth process, not the destination. It's a local minimum, not the pinnacle. It's a type of intellectual anger phase. As such, it's not sustainable, and wallowing in it stands in the way of working through it to what comes beyond.
His articulated position is what people project when they say things like, You think you're so smart! You just love to lord over lesser people and make them feel inferior!
If they only knew. What I actually feel isn't contempt, but a wistful loneliness for an equal to engage, or a true superior to dazzle me. I don't hate people for abilities they weren't born with and cannot cultivate, but for the abilities they DO have but leave latent and undeveloped.
The greater danger to highly intellectual people isn't drowning in stupid ones, it's being vulnerable to being ruled by one's intellectual inferiors who have greater resources to bring to bear. Cultivating and propagating a mindset of "superior versus inferior humans" will usually aid and abet those who would rule over YOU. This is only one of the ways this mindset can bite its holder in the ass.
I think he's overemphasizing the importance of a highly developed frontal lobe, at the conspicuous expense of every other area of human talent and ability. I've found watching a few "humans are awesome" video compilations makes a good antidote to this mindset becoming too entrenched for one's own good.
One can view most of the rest of humanity as inferiors and enemies to be exploited, and run an unstinting uphill battle of manipulation and win-lose engagement. Some call this "enjoy the decline," others would say "part of the problem."
Alternately, one can view fellow humans as potential allies whatever their flaws and foibles, and enjoy their willing collaboration to reach goals one cannot attain alone. Collectively, this results in civilization.
I read his book "Curse of the IQ and he claimed that he had an Iq of 140. Wtf? How are we supposed to believe that a person with an IQ of 140 writes like that o says what he says?
IQ does not test emotional intelligence but cold problem resolution intelligence. You can also likely train to improve your IQ tests results by a few percent and still consider yourself to own that improved IQ score.
The point of stupid people is essentially to provide support services to those doing more intellectual or important work. Once you realize that stupid people exist to serve you then you’ll hate them less.
Except they vote. And the people they vote for, in exchange for getting those votes, then collude to take more of my hard-earned cashola because "No fair that you were born smart!" and give it to people who didn't earn it and don't deserve it. So yeah, fuck those morons up the ass. With a telephone pole.
Correction, politics is for betas. I will continue to vote for anybody right of center for as long as Democrats continue to bash white men, and continue to tax me and to strip my resources away for me and give it to people who didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
The author of the article seems to target not so smart people who think they are abused smart people and need to buy a book that say them exactly that so that they can feel a little bit better.
If you are smart and put your brain on the subject, of course you have no problem to abuse others if that's important for you. If you can't do that, you are not that smart. I don't say you shall do it, but if you are smart, at least you can. To pretend the contrary make no sence to me and may only concern moderaly effective people that didn't get it yet.
If you insist on the idea either you are not so smart, or you want to abuse some not so smart people.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Although this is somewhat off topic, and more than just a bit self-aggrandizing, I thought it would still be an interesting perspective for people here, who are most likely a self-selected group of above average intelligences due to the nature of the subject on TRP.
GLADmyNAMEaintDICK 5y ago
This article is essentially a useless rant. It solves nothing. The attitude of the author is immature. Don't waste your time if you haven't already.
RiskyRewarder 5y ago
I only read his opening paragraph to know it wasn't worth reading
"As far as my logic takes me humanity has three main goals:
1. To find out why we are here 2. To achieve total knowledge of the universe/unlock its secrets, and in the process 3. Achieve immortality."
What nonsense
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Were you looking for a solution to something?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You should read some of his other stuff, such as "Enjoy the Decline." I'm not saying he is a towering intellectual, but he actually offers the most pragmatic course of action available to us, given the array of bad options that we face.
DeepestFire 5y ago
I wish someone would have told me the same thing before I read the Roosh V article posted here yesterday. Simply some of the worst writing I have seen and completely endorsed by the "intellectuals" of the sub.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Care sharing some constructive commentary on these rather than just the drive-by piss and moan?
zyqkvx 5y ago
The whole article could have been a download from my own brain.
I have the same criticisms for the article that I have for myself:
If you believe it, you believe smart people are the real victims.. victim mentality
It's bitter. There are reasons to be bitter, yet if you put it in writing no one's going to buy it except those who already know it. Also, public bitter writings is bad for your reputation (social proof basically)
He raises a problem, implies no solution, which dovetails with 1.
*based on accepting there is so much I can not control, not based on sheer apathy and indifference. There is a fine line, at least I'm trying to find it.
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vfb14 5y ago
Enjoy the decline.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I remember going down this road and feeling exactly this way, for a time in my early 20s. Looking back decades later, I didn't know shit about shit yet, and it was a period of insufferable pedantry and arrogance, and of all losses and no gains socially.
Something that kind of snapped me out of it one day. I was walking in moderate foot traffic, and spotted an older woman approaching. She was somewhat overdressed, lots of makeup, jewelry, accessories, the whole nine. I started thinking all this judgy stuff about her: All this materialistic shit... So much money spent on superficial fakeness... Does it really buy her happiness though? As our paths converged I had this smug smirk on my face. She glanced over, saw me smiling, and smiled back! Then she looked back ahead, passed me and was gone.
From the wreckage of my prior train of thought rose a simple, "Well, fuck!"
People on the smart end of the Dunning-Kruger effect have their own blindnesses and `predispositions to discover and probe in themselves.
This writer takes it in the opposite direction and globally overestimates his own intelligence and worth. This is usually diagnostic of a lack of self-challenge, a deficiency in selecting peers and role models superior to oneself, and a lack of accomplishments that are genuinely superior or beneficial.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I can't speak to his actual intelligence quotient, I don't know him. And I agree he is very forthcoming with his opinion of himself (it's his entire brand if you follow him), but I've always wondered this:
If being smart is something you're not allowed to talk about, and every time somebody talks about it is an indication that they must not be smart, then can a conversation about being smart ever take place?
Surely there exists at least two people on the planet who must be?
I've always noticed people shut down talk like this in a very similar way you did, and while I don't consider myself to be anything of a genius, I always wonder- if it can't be spoken about, then what people are really saying is they don't think it can happen (or don't like the idea that it can happen).
But surely, there are geniuses out there.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Not sure how you got not allowed/shutting down discussion from what I said. I recognize his position and empathize with it from personal familiarity. What I'm saying is, it's a way point in the personal growth process, not the destination. It's a local minimum, not the pinnacle. It's a type of intellectual anger phase. As such, it's not sustainable, and wallowing in it stands in the way of working through it to what comes beyond.
His articulated position is what people project when they say things like, You think you're so smart! You just love to lord over lesser people and make them feel inferior!
If they only knew. What I actually feel isn't contempt, but a wistful loneliness for an equal to engage, or a true superior to dazzle me. I don't hate people for abilities they weren't born with and cannot cultivate, but for the abilities they DO have but leave latent and undeveloped.
The greater danger to highly intellectual people isn't drowning in stupid ones, it's being vulnerable to being ruled by one's intellectual inferiors who have greater resources to bring to bear. Cultivating and propagating a mindset of "superior versus inferior humans" will usually aid and abet those who would rule over YOU. This is only one of the ways this mindset can bite its holder in the ass.
I think he's overemphasizing the importance of a highly developed frontal lobe, at the conspicuous expense of every other area of human talent and ability. I've found watching a few "humans are awesome" video compilations makes a good antidote to this mindset becoming too entrenched for one's own good.
One can view most of the rest of humanity as inferiors and enemies to be exploited, and run an unstinting uphill battle of manipulation and win-lose engagement. Some call this "enjoy the decline," others would say "part of the problem."
Alternately, one can view fellow humans as potential allies whatever their flaws and foibles, and enjoy their willing collaboration to reach goals one cannot attain alone. Collectively, this results in civilization.
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RedwallAllratuRatbar 5y ago
That guy was heavily on "no true scottsman" territory. What he defined as smart is probably some unicorn, altruistic autistic robot
Eslapole 5y ago
I read his book "Curse of the IQ and he claimed that he had an Iq of 140. Wtf? How are we supposed to believe that a person with an IQ of 140 writes like that o says what he says?
Nicolas0631 5y ago
IQ does not test emotional intelligence but cold problem resolution intelligence. You can also likely train to improve your IQ tests results by a few percent and still consider yourself to own that improved IQ score.
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Hugh_Munghous 5y ago
The point of stupid people is essentially to provide support services to those doing more intellectual or important work. Once you realize that stupid people exist to serve you then you’ll hate them less.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Except they vote. And the people they vote for, in exchange for getting those votes, then collude to take more of my hard-earned cashola because "No fair that you were born smart!" and give it to people who didn't earn it and don't deserve it. So yeah, fuck those morons up the ass. With a telephone pole.
RiskyRewarder 5y ago
Come back to this conversation when you are smart enough to know that voting is for betas. Useful tools...
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Correction, politics is for betas. I will continue to vote for anybody right of center for as long as Democrats continue to bash white men, and continue to tax me and to strip my resources away for me and give it to people who didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it.
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Thanks for sharing this. I didn't know about this guy. Love his stuff.