“I’m Broke and Mostly Friendless, and I’ve Wasted My Whole Life” is a case study in misplaced priorities. It’s also core Red Pill from start to end. The writer says, “I feel like a ghost. I’m a 35-year-old woman, and I have nothing to show for it.” She’s a ghost because around age 35, most women are no longer the primary target for high-status-male attention. Lots of guys will give her a whirl but most will do so as a secondary option. This woman has spent her life partying and is now repenting of that lifestyle. It’s not too late for her, but she will have to understand that she is not who she was at 24.
“I have no family nearby, no long-term relationship built on years of mutual growth and shared experiences, no children.” She is looking at women she knows who chose less partying and more pair-bonding and are reaping those rewards.
I’m trying, Polly. I am. I’m dating. I’m working out and working hard. Listening to music I enjoy and loving my cat. Calling my mom. Yet I truly feel like a ghost.
This is almost certainly a lie. There are guys who will go for her. Many 45 – 50-year-old guys would love to get her. But she likely wants the usual: a guy over six feet tall, makes a lot of money, handsome, good in bed, etc., etc., just like the 26-year-old girls she’s competing with.
“On top of that, society is telling me my value as a woman is fading fast, my wrinkles require Botox (reference said poor finances), all the while my manager is asking for me to finish ‘that report by Monday.’ Why bother?” Society isn’t telling her that her value as a woman is fading fast. Evolutionary biology is telling her this. She could have learned as much in university or from reading books, had she not been too busy partying and watching TV.
All the while still trying to be the sexpot 25-year-old I thought I was until what seemed like a moment ago.
Things change. Women hit peak sexual market value (SMV) sooner than men do (though we all hit it). It’s interesting to watch the whole dating market shift in the late 20s to early 30s. Suddenly, many men experience more dating market power, while many women have to reconcile themselves to relative decline. Decline is wholly predictable based on evolutionary biology, by why read about that when you can read about how great feminism is?
The writer is unhappy because she made choices she now perceives as bad. Bad choices not even the government can save her from. She can vote for socialism, she can hope to take other people’s money, but she cannot salve the wound in her heart.
I feel bad for her. I was thinking about women like her when I wrote, “Catch and release women who want families.” Players with decent game should not run out the clock on women like her, even if they (we) can. Give her some tumbles, then let cut her loose. That is better for the player himself, not just the chick.
Smart, self-aware women understand that their families are more important than getting ecstatic d**k. Somewhat smart, un-self-aware women don’t get that and end up bitter crones and spinsters. This woman still can’t admit, “There are guys who will take me and put a baby in me, but they are older, less wealthy, and less hot than I am used to.” That would be responsibility. She still can’t go there.
Upper-middle-class parenting and education today emphasizes the acquisition of stupid status signifiers, of which many university degrees are examples, at the expense of family and a meaningful life. I have tried to talk to my kids about this, but it’s like speaking into an empty canyon: the entire culture has been working to carve out that canyon. There are limits to what I can do to fix it.
U-94 5y ago
This could be a new Netflix series, "Making a Cat Lady".
chazthundergut 5y ago
Lotta dudes in the same situation.
Broke and friendless wasting their time watching porn and playing videogames.
At least she had her party years.
Razkolol 5y ago
We’re living in an advertising driven society and since women are impulse buyers they get targeted and manipulated easily, everywhere they look they see “powerful women” fighting against patriarchy and acting like men. How do men act? We try to fuck everything in sight. They figure it’s fine to do so aswell, and when they hit the wall they realize that their prospects went from 6feet tall successful studs that they had in their 20s to Bill, 45 years old balding 5 feet 6 chubby 60k/year average bank employee, imagine the shock. Guys, be thankful that you’re a man that can take command of his life and imagine what’s like for women who have status driven biology. How easily they get manipulated by marketing/media, using credit cards left and right to “show that other bitch the prada/chanel bag” and that she’s successful but she can’t get a man anymore cause she’s used to studs and Bill is gross. It’s shocking how easy it is to create status and manipulate them, appearances is where it’s at, if you lift/groom/ dress with designer shit/ look overall expensive/ have a nice car etc. they will instantly associate high status to that dude, even if all his designer shit is bought with credit, car monthly payment is destroying his paycheck and he works like a slave 12h/day to afford his shit while his bank balance is negative. We as men see through that facade, women don’t.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
Good man. My first thought as well.
The crazy thing is that no one will tell these women the truth. Not their family, not their friends, not the media... no one. If she had any real friends that spoke the truth to her, they would tell her to be open to the 42 year old divorced dad, and to start hitting the gym like her life depended on it. With the right fitness program that incorporates lifts, a woman can turn her 35 year old body into a 25 year old body. I used to bang a 39 year old exercise freak with an absolute stunning body. She needs to accept that things are going to be different though.
VickVaseline 5y ago
I'm lolling at "loving my cat."
dulkemaru51 5y ago
She's really trying, Polly. She is.
politeAndLevelHed 5y ago
University degrees are largely worthless these days. I look around others I work with, all getting paid largely the same, without degrees.
Sure, they may have less theoretical understanding of what they do, but that's not important in today's mass market of everything. Computers do most of our work so all we're left with is pushing buttons and there's little additional reward for more understanding.
There are times, of course, you can do better with a degree, it helps when travelling to a foreign country and it requires proof you're better than other competing immigrants.
But with so much social virtue signalling going on women are in high demand in many industries just to fill quotas. Companies worldwide are desperate to prove their diversity quotas. As news story after news story breaks about companies breaking the law, getting hacked, having no idea what they are doing, time and time again we are seeing diversity quotas at work.
thewayon 5y ago
Having a degree makes you way more attractive, trust me.
truthiesttruth 5y ago
dont, shes robbing your wallet and the future of western civilisation.
these 35yr+ slags deserve nothing but contempt until they hopefully od on wine and ssri's.
iv seen it, iv seen the empty bottles of booze and pills containers lining the floor of the hotel room shes staying in to fuck men other than her husband.
i dont even consider them "people" anymore.
[deleted] 5y ago
Whoa what? You work in housekeeping?
What have you seen?
SKRedPill 5y ago
A question - As men grow older (40s and beyond), it's going to get harder and harder to get women in their 20s as the age gap grows. But there ought to be many women within 0-15 years of your age (and even a bit older than your age) still left right? Say you're 50 and as fit as it gets. There will be a not insignificant no. of women in the 35-55 age bracket who might be interested in you. Correct?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
They don't want the 45 year old man though. They want the 35 year old man, which they can't have. Men's SMV certainly declines more slowly than women's but many here exaggerate the effect. A 35 year old guy with his shit together is more attractive than a 45 year old guy with all his shit together, ceteris peribus.
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Brother there is an ocean of good looking thirsty thirty-somethings. An ocean of them. I’m 40 and I travel a lot so I see much of the country. Cities big and small. Nice restaurant bars are full of them. Im still into banging twenty-somethings but when I’m in my 50’s I’ll probably smash them (not to say I haven’t smashed a few).
Especially if you’re still fit in your 50’s. Like 5% of guys in their 50’s are still fit. You’ll be getting all the ass twenty year old you could ever want. Oh and you can still fuck the occasional twenty something.
I have a buddy who is 47. His girl is 27. She’s happy as a clam.
It’s true, men age like scotch. Women age like milk.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Got easier for me.
Incorrect. At 50 you should be able to get 30 without problems. I can get 20 yrs younger.
Kyogata 5y ago
Oh, yeah, there are tons. Some are really hot and not at all needy; they've got their own kids and jobs and don't want a husband. Just get yourself into that top 10% bracket and smile knowingly now and then. They'll do the work. All you need do is not fuck up.
destraht 5y ago
For all of the shit that single moms get I still think that they are better than the wall splattered woman who could not even manage to get herself knocked up.
_Ozu_ 5y ago
No, it should get easier if you're attractive, take care of yourself, and are doing well in life. Meeting younger women for long term relationships and marriage will be harder, but in terms of plates and casual relationships, it should be fine. Much younger women will be harder, but the mid-to-late 20's bracket should be possible into your 50's if you look after yourself properly and don't age horribly.
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thewayon 5y ago
Haha in what world? I don't know anyone my age who's with someone who's 40, let alone 50.
I can understand that there will be women out there who will go for anything at some point, but the top tier women won't need to go that much older. And those are the women you will want.
_Ozu_ 5y ago
Your comment history is the biggest pile of blue pill crap I've ever read, I can't take you seriously.
thewayon 5y ago
What is blue pill?? I dont understand.
Quo210 5y ago
Don't 'feel' for evolutionary failure.
We need those failures. The genepool must be kept updated. If she failed her biologic imperative then she's not fit for natural selection. AKA bye bye.
TRP followers shouldn't try to change anything. We aren't here to make the world better, we are here to make US better.
Her fall will give room for a better generation of women, that will not make the same idiotic choices or won't decay as quickly. Do not feel bad for her (them).
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MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
We can infer from this that she knows it is all her fault. If there was any shred or hope of blaming men she'd take it.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh of course. It's society's fault! Nothing to do with... you know... reality or instinct or god forbid her herself.
And we remember how women treated us when they had the advantage: it was nothing short of cruel and cynical lies and exploitation. You don't magically earn forgiveness by saying "I'm not that girl any more".
Why? She doubtless received countless offers of marriage in her younger years, squandered the attention of good men, lied and exploited the rest, ignored all the lessons that were clearly visible all around her, and chose a short term strategy at the expense of not only herself but also the men she knew and society in general.
I didn't choose feminism, but I'm damned well going to enjoy its upsides (commitment free sex for the happy few) given that I have to suffer its downsides.
EDIT: "I’m working out". This means "I'm fat". If she was slim she'd say so.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
Touché, almost missed that one.
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So, a fat 36 year old is basically complaining that life isn't as easy as when she was 25. Shocking.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
The injustice! It's a man's fault! Men must pay!
markinsinz7 5y ago
Idk why we take pleasure from such things or even keep pointing out such sad lives cause atleast this woman's reality might actually be much different.
If she's friendless then she was bad at friendships long time ago.
I'm 27 in a new city and starting from ground zero. Trust me it's a 100 tines harder for a guy no matter what.
We should be done taking any pleasure or even spending any time from a woman's downfall.
They are all going to have their cake and eat it too. It's us guys who struggle more in life and have it harder. For some reaching the top 20% even with trp and years of self improvement is hard.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
Spot on man. Honestly guys have it really really rough unless they are the top 10%.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
True male friendships are much deeper than female friendships because we bond over shared goals and shared hardships, whereas women bond over gossip, fashion, and backstabbing. The downside to this is that as men age we find it harder to recreate the conditions that real male friendship requires. Corporate life is a fundamentally selfish and individualist pursuit, and grabbing drinks with a few acquaintances after work cannot replicate, for example, being on a high school sports team or a college fraternity.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
You know that awesome guy or girl who give value to everyone and is a pleasure to be around and makes the effort and is non-judgemental and is fun and happy and outgoing and positive and yet has no friends? No? That's because those people don't exist.
People have no friends for very good reasons: they're shitty friends, entitled, judgemental, lazy and boring.
Way fucking harder.... but lacking entitlement and self-delusion you'll find good friends and make it, because you know whining on social media is pointless.
MyReddit6 5y ago
Don't agree man, at least if you're referring to guys having no friends. If you move around a lot - especially internationally - like I have from a young age, it is very VERY hard to find/have/maintain a meaningful friendship.
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I seriously think its stunted my emotional growth, as you basically adapt to the constantly changing environments by going full IDGAF at age 5 and becoming the center of attention (like I did) or you go super introverted and reclusive. There are pshcyological studies to back this up.
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I'd kill for a RP bro or someone to keep in touch with and share those kind of deep memories with, but right now thats limited to a plate from years ago who was just an all-around awesome girl and my college roommate, but we're 1000s of km away and living completely different lives. So I'd consider myself great at making new friends, positive, add value, but its hard to create enduring relationships when every social circle you enter has people/dynamics that go back decades.
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I'd go with if a WOMAN has only guy friends - something is definitely up.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
If you want an RP bro btw, I don't mind talking to you. I'm super non judgemental & open minded for friends.
destraht 5y ago
I think that you can always rewire your brain unless you were so neglected that you literally have brain damage.
About 90% of the time I felt alienated as fuck in California since as far back as I can remember. It was never my culture and after living on three other continents it still feels alien. I was at a fair one day after being in Nicaragua and China for a few years and I heard a few guys talking about me "oh, he's not from around here" and I took it as a compliment. Its a young culture without roots and it sucked up every expression of liberalism and globalism that it could. I often feel that its a mechanized construct that plays out as people constantly imaging how they look from the perspective of someone else observing the person who is observing them. Actors. Its pretty much our ideal here and we've put out two prominent actor politicians. At some point we became a parody of a facsimile. California is from my perspective an intensified implementation of everything that the US has been manipulated into being. You don't sound European, they have different issues. Chances are by the numbers you aren't from California either. Check out the Century of the Self documentary. I think that its the easiest breakdown of the reason its so difficult to find genuine behaviour in America. Many would consider 4 hours of intense documentary to not be simple at all but considering how many books you'd have to read its basically a freeby. One huge freeing thing that you can do for yourself is to accept your alienation as a valid emotion due to your environment instead of what most of this culture does by instead believing that everything is correct and so therefore they probably need medication. I literally spent 85% of the last decade living out of a bag (even while staying with parents) and being abroad 60% of the time and I can say for sure that some places are just HARD and other places are so easy that it will blow your mind.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Moved around too. Resettled a number of time. Always found friends.
If you're great at making new friends you will have lots of friends.
Deep long-lasting friendships aren't the reality for most people, it's not just you.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
Those aren't new frends as much as they're new acquaintances. To hell with them all really. People tend to want to be friendly when they want something. What value is there in that?
destraht 5y ago
This is my huge gripe with activity based friendships. Its typically just glorified acquaintances who are at the same place a lot. It is brutal to figure that reality out.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
Figured that out from k-12 schooling. None if the people I held in high regard are my "friends" now. I've been out of high school for nearly a decade and we just say hi and by and passing really. Had I known I wouldn't have wasted my time with them back then, gotten a part time job after school, and pay for a gym membership. Hindsight is 20/20.
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red_philosopher 5y ago
Reaching top 20% is cake. Anyone can do it. There are so many boys out there, all it takes is the tiniest bit of effort over 12 months, and boom. You are drowning in all the pussy you ever wanted.
Shit is so fucking easy. But people don't want to fucking work. They want to say they are working hard, when, in reality, they fuck around and wish they had what all the men really worked hard for.
There's no pleasure in it, but it is a poignant example of the female hamster, making excuse after excuse after excuse. And her reality? Believe us when we say that her "reality" is very fucking different from the reality that you and I see and deal with every day.
Flawless44 5y ago
If you're actually an average guy, yes you can do it in a year.
If you're worse it's going to take longer.
It took me 4 years. 4 surgeries + invisalign + working out the whole time.
red_philosopher 5y ago
Props to you. That's discipline that most men simply don't have these days.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
What did you work on to make you top 20%?
red_philosopher 5y ago
I worked on my career, getting into shape, my mental problems, my anxieties in dealing with women, and a whole lot more. Didn't seem easy all the time, but looking back, it really really was. And if I can do it, so can anyone else.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Cool. And this put you in top 20% you reckon?
NormalAndy 5y ago
It’s mainly because the 80% are utter slime that it is ‘that simple’. It’s fair to say that 8/10 won’t put in the minimal effort needed. There are so many Nice Guys, it’s awful to see how low the bar really is.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
I don't know where people who think this live. Where do you live? Because i am nowhere near the top 20%, never will be and i don't think what the other dude said is enough to get into the top 20%. I don't care about top 20% worldwide; that is irrelevant. Top 20% of your local competition for women is what's relevant.
What qualities can we consider? Looks, charisma, career, physique, intelligence, confidence, courage, drive, talent, status. Most men i know trump me in many areas, sometimes due to reasons out of my control. I try my best but i'm not going to smash to the top of my industry or develop my physique or game in a couple of years. It takes as long as it takes while i try to be as efficient as possible.
I don't see how someone can claim they're in the top 20% without significant advantage in multiple domains. Would you say you're in top 20%?
NormalAndy 5y ago
Aha! You may be in the top 20% but what about the 20% of THAT 20%? Aha!!!!
Yeh, good point mate. I get the impression that while my glass may well be 80% full, yours will sadly be 20% empty.
Life is an attitude. Best of luck with it.
Still, on the bright side, it must be fantastic to have so many great role models around you- you’re lucky.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
I think I could have gained something of value here if you were less emotional and more sincere in your reply.
NormalAndy 5y ago
You’re quite right- sorry. I am nowhere near a kb- lazy.
It annoys me to hear men who are doing the right thing still tearing themselves down.
Frankly, I could not care less about the 20% figure. By making an effort in the gym, eating right, having boundaries as well as lots of healthy relationships with male friends, I have left a huge swaythe of people behind. The game heads, the alcoholics, the junkies, the noddy no lives, the people who lived in small towns and did nothing, the people who lived in big cities and used it as cover. Huge numbers of people who have no desire to live and, as such, you never notice them or hear from them again.
So while it is challenging to compare yourself to the local group- and that’s a good thing, it’s easy to forget how far you have come simply because all those who you left behind are so easy to forget.
So the whole 20% thing is a bit daft. Similar to your point, 70% of humanity is malnourished, so I can feel grateful that I am not there. More than 50% of men I meet look in pretty average/ bad shape and I’m not even in obesity epidemic US. My diet is fantastic, my health is great, I have a challenging life, which I like, couple of cool kids, a good wife, I take risks and have won and lost greatly over the decades- still I work hard to make it pay and I won’t give up.
I take care of myself, look good, I have lots of skills, lots of friends, girls like me, guys like me, I like me. I have many internal and external challenges but they are there to be beaten.
Perhaps I am not top 20% in your group but I’m definitely top 20% in mine. I think what I’m trying to say is, if the percentages don’t work for you then fuck them, stop comparing yourself with others and become your best self anyway. In the end, you must respect yourself- nobody else matters.
SKRedPill 5y ago
These days at least physically, all you need to do is not get fat and no muscular imbalances and you're already there.
kral7 5y ago
How would you say reaching top 20% in a year (or even longer, doesn't matter that much) is possible? Besides lifting of course. Genuine question.
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 5y ago
You just need a plan. /u/Kyogata comments are spot on. I would tell you, now, make a list of what you need to do. You need to change you. And, maybe, now, you know what needs to change to make you a better man.
Changing your life for the better is completely possible, but not always easy. We are creatures of habit, and our brains like to stick with what we know, even if its not the best.
So start with a 12 month plan. Take you list of things you know you need to change about yourself, and create a plan where every month you make a new change.
I would suggest you start with eating better, then working out, then exercise, then wardrobe, then hobbies, then appearance. Thats 6 items, that over the next 6 months, you can change and improve. Clearly, you should be able to see that if you did change those 6 things, your life would be nothing like it is today.
If you are still at a loss on how all this adds up, I will strongly suggest you find a self help coach (they are everywhere and all over youtube) and start watching, reading, and understanding what they say. Tony Robbins and Corey Wayne are just two of my favorites, but there are others if their personalities don't do it for you.
Changing your life is 10% theory and 90% action. That is true with almost anything. You just need to start doing it. IMHO, it takes a good 90 days for something to become a habit. Thats why you just need to get started.
Make your plan. You know what you need to do. Start with something simple and manageable, and continue to add onto your success every month with a new addition. This will also help you build confidence.
IMHO, stop jerking off, stop wasting time watching mindless TV, and spend every waking hour improving yourself in some way.
A dying friend once told me to "never wait and never hesitate, as you could be dead tomorrow, lol". And he was right. DO everything you can do today, and leave nothing for tomorrow. For some people, there is no tomorrow.
Only you can change you. Most everyone has the ability to change themselves for the better, to live a better life, to be a better man. There is nothing more attractive then a man with a plan.
The choice is yours... Blue pill or red pill.
Write out your plan and get started today...
Or go back and jerk off and play video games all day...
the choice is yours.
nebder 5y ago
Look around objectively at your competition. Its pathetic.
1 year is doable. Im close to 2yrs in by now. Lost 80lbs the first year while lifting, replaced with lean mass and low bf%. My arms are veiny af now I love it.
ArdAtak 5y ago
Veins amplify pussy wetness exponentially ;-)
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Because it’s true. 80% of guys are in shitty shape. You can get in incredible shape in less than a year. In fact you can do it in as little as 13 weeks. Don’t believe me? When I joined the army I was a lanky fuck. When I finished infantry basic and left for airborne school I was lean but ripped. I had no body fat and looked like a white Bruce Lee. But you have a job, you can’t work out all day six days a week. So you do it in the evenings or mornings or whatever. So it takes a year.
All you have to do is be in great shape and have even the tiniest amount of frame and you will drown in pussy. It’s ridiculous how easy it is.
Vikingcel 5y ago
I envy you muricans with your fat soyboys as competition. We have a lot of Ukrainian guys as cheap manual labor and all of them have diamond sharp jawlines and are fit without ever seeing a barbell. Most post-communism born native men here are not that far off either.
dongpal 5y ago
yeah man, you and me brother. usa sounds like an easy fuckfest
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Fat white soyboys. The black guys all hit the gym (and are descendants of the slaves who survived and were strong workers). If I’m competing with anyone it’s a black guy but I’m not into girls that would fuck a black guy.
Kyogata 5y ago
In one year I did the following. I lost 30kg in weight through low carb diet and exercise, lifting included with yoga, walking, cycling, swimming. I worked super hard in my job, out-performing all my peers and getting promoted (in my field that is REALLY hard to do in 12 months). I bought a new wardrobe with my extra salary, getting tons of advice from attractive sassy female friends and colleagues. I got a new haircut, shaved my beard and keep myself trimmed. I put new photos on social media. I spent time thinking positive every morning and evening, including meditation. I am now 54 years old, and regularly fucking women in their early 30s. Won't go younger because they're inexperienced and juvenile.
TheScarletScholar 5y ago
My man. In the words of Ronnie Coleman "Ain't nobody gonna give you nothin. E'rrybody wanna a bodybuilder, but nobody wants to lift no heavy-ass weight."
Most people read this subreddit, improve themselves maybe a little, and then continue to spend most of their time at work screwing off, and most of their free time masturbating, watching Netflix, and playing videogames. Results require a ton of dedication and effort.
Cainagain 5y ago
Thats impressive man can I ask how tall you are? I'm a bit short and not gonna lie I wonder if its as big a problem as i make it to be because sometimes i wanna go after girls taller than me (by a couple inches).
Flawless44 5y ago
You can get shoes that have a bigger heel, as well inserts to go in them. That can raise you 4 inches easily and you can see if it makes a difference.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Always wear work boots.
I love being an inch and a half taller.
Cainagain 5y ago
I guess but thats kinda fake you know? I wouldn't mind 2 inch boost but thats enough.
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Gltmastah 5y ago
1.69 m here, I have dated 1-1.5 heads above me, its not difficult
chronogumbo 5y ago
It is. It can be overcome if you're stellar in another area. I'm 5'8, which has worked against me. Shorter is more difficult. My intelligence usually sets me apart.
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IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
I don't understand this though. I'm a guy in his 20s about 1.65m pretty muscular, well groomed and a decent paying job. I haven't experienced any of the above benefits :(
Vikingcel 5y ago
It is good to not care about something you cannot change, but stop pretending that height etc. is irrelevant when receiving advice.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
It's not irrelevant, it's something you can't do anything about it so the only solution is to not worry about it.
Cainagain 5y ago
Haha thank you for this I needed to hear this. Funny that I'm literally your friends height 5'6. I used to be upset but in the past month I've been changing a lot and wanted to see what other peoples opinions were here.
I've been trying to improve a lot like cutting down on porn, excercising more and limiting internet use to like 3hours. Finally got a week free of porn for the first time in half a year.
Any advice to begin to improve my game? Honestly I'm 17 and haven't really ever tried to go after a girl (used to be a porn addicted fuck) but lately I've realised I want to start to get into relationships. I think you mentioned you're a lot older so any advice from your experiences on what I should try and do in general?
MyReddit6 5y ago
Bro height is only an issue if you make it one. I've had 3 friends who KILLED it with girls - easily 2-3x more than me (one would occaisonally dumpster dive tho, lol) and they were all short around 5'5" and not in shape. One was toothpick thin and Indian, and he exclusively slept with French girls. Guy had some of the most devious game & AMOGing tactics I've ever seeen.
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Let me know if you want to know more about his approach if you think it will help you.
Cainagain 5y ago
Damn man that really makes me feel morr confident. I'm like 5'6 but in shape skinny but in shape if that makes sense. I'm indian as well so quite like this guy in a lot of ways.
Would really appreciate if you told me more also whats AMOGing?
MyReddit6 5y ago
Not to be a dick but if you don't know what AMOG means, you haven't read enough here.... It means Alpha Male Other Guy - when a dude tests you or you test another guy.
I'll give a rundown on his game. Keep in mind he speaks 5 or 6 languages fluently (French being one) and with good accent, barely any Indian or Mid East accent on his English. He is also very stylish, hip hop/tight fitting clothes, blazer, sneakers, backwards baseball hat. Accessories, etc.
His game is mainly verbal dominance, and a lot of very, very subtle body language cues to girls. It's very sneaky, and even tho we are friends, I wouldn't trust him with a girl around. He is obsessed with white girls, which is hilarious bc I prefer mid east or indian girls. We are total opposites, I'm over 6ft, white, muscular, and just run good looking guy game with a few social/game techniques up my sleeve if a situation calls for it.
He is manipulative. Basically everything out of his mouth is power talk, and he is very smooth. He usually leads the group "come over here, lets talk for a sec" "guys come with me to this spot right here" "yo I just bought everyone a drink lets do shots here" and he is generally a fun, positive vibe to be around. But he knows his game involves drinking and staying up till like 4-5am until everyone has left and the girl stays at his place (he usually hosts after parties)
I've accidentally stolen models off him and we have hooked up with the same girl unknowingly a few months apart which we thought was hilarious. Anyway, his AMOG tactics are dope and he is lazer focused when in conversation - even in groups he makes it feel like hes only talking to you - and I think this stems from his insecurity as being the short Indian guy of the group. So he pushes himself to lead it, be the host of the party etc.
Some stuff I've seem him do when a better looking guy hits on a girl, approaches our group, or even to ME on a couple occasions: He generally goes into self-deprecating banter in a sarcastic way - and he OWNS that he's short & Indian "uh ohhhh here comes the big muscle guy! ladies go with him, he's wayyyyyyy more jacked than me. Look at you bro nice job!" and he'll usually put his arms around the guy, or punch his arm or whatever others include "Im just a skinny Indian guy... How can I compete with all these beefcakes? These girls will never get to find out how small and brown my dick is... sucks for them"
Sometimes he'll also start speaking in whatever language the girl speaks and cut the other guy out of the convo entirely.
Another devious one is if a guy comes up he'll jus barrage the guy with compliments "dude you look soo cool. cool style..." on & on so if the guy still tries to tool him, he'll look like a total twat to the whole group, and then my friend will be like "bro lets talk more later, ill be back, hold my drink"
and totally mindfucks the guys
He's done this to me too - whether intentionally or not, I don't know. We can't wing for eachother since our game is so opposite. If I reach a venue he'll start telling girls "Oh shit, my friend is here. I'm fucked. He's good looking and white, I'll go introduce you to him" - I think he was trying to wing, but every time he has done this it feels really awkward because he calls so much attention to your looks or height, that the girls stop worrying about his. So I assume when he AMOGs that's the angle he's playing with the other guys.
In short: up your style to the max, be the one who organizes the parties, only approach white girls, AMOG by complimenting the shit out of threatening guys and then tooling them with a "wow, that guy was rude, thought he'd be cool" He's easily slept with 100 girls in the time I've known him. So brother, it can be done.
IAMTHESmoothOperator 5y ago
Can you enlighten me on his approach I'm a guy in a similar situation but in his 20s and I'm pretty built & muscular.
MyReddit6 5y ago
Dude scroll up I wrote a book of a comment on it. He's 30 now and I've known him since 26.
TheScarletScholar 5y ago
Realize everyone is self conscious about something. Don't fret about shit you cant change, that's retarded and a waste of time and mental energy. Accept what you can't change and fix what you can. I'd highly recommend you read "The subtle art of not giving a fuck" by Mark Manson (and Models by him to learn game) its message is more powerful the younger you are. Also recognize how lucky you are to have found RP while being so young instead of stumbling through life depressed and having the only consistent dream in your life to be suicidal ideation.
For advice: Talk to as many people as you can especially strangers (male and female) in public. Many people your age are awkward as fuck socially, the only way to get better, like anything else, is to practice. Game comes from your social ability in general. If you can't hold a 5 minute conversation with a stranger who you're not interested what makes you think you will be able to do it with a girl when you've got something to lose? Have you read any RP books? Are you lifting? Do you have any productive hobbies? Are you doing well in school?
Cainagain 5y ago
Hm thanks for this response was helpful. I'll check it out the book and yh I began looking to self improve ever since i realised I was addicted to porn which i realised early because my mental state became so damaged.
Yeah I've been growing in confidence since nofap and speak to strangers at the bus stop, old friends at school. Always end as good interactions and make me more confident in my social ability.
I do not read any RP books currently. I lift a bit but mainly do combat sports, boxing and BJJ, and jogging and cycling a bit. I do some dumbell reps every day that's it for now.
I have good hobbies but have to flesh them out more. At the moment my internet addiction is being cut down but it's still not completely under control. Working on it.
I do very well in school. About the only good thing I've done consistently over the years. Have an offer from one of the best universities available here so yeah academically I'm fine.
I don't know what's really holding me back now apart from waiting to recover from my porn addiction (only a week free currently, first time in like half a year)
TheScarletScholar 5y ago
Everybody has their own burdens they have to undertake, no joke I want to hear what you think of the book. PM me what you think of it after reading. I have plenty of books to recommend if you are actually interested. It sounds like you're in a great place for your age tbh. Don't get too worried about self improvement to the point that you're anxious about not being good enough. Just try to improve yourself at least in some small way every day. Self improvement is really just the slow acquisition of positive habits and hobbies that continue to help you thrive as a person. It is HARD though. It's EASY to watch tv and videogames which is why so many people do it. If you have any questions ever shoot em my way.
Edit: also at your age your hormones are fucking raging so know that no fap is far more difficult for you than people who are 22+
dulkemaru51 5y ago
Huh? Youre not dating as in vetting men for consistent personality traits regarding virtue, long-term compatibility and honouring commitment, you're just fucking and sucking the occasional player, less than you used to, yes, because evil society has convinced men that wrinkled humpbacks aren't sexy. Taking her on her word -- working out is the only thing she's doing to attract a man. Sorry to be the bearer of truth, but listening to music you enjoy, loving your cat and calling your mom won't be reflected by your performance on the boner test. I really am sorry for having to say it, knowing how hard you're working and all... who wants to feed an animal that they pledged to care for, or talk with their mom? It's hard to be a womyn.
As a cis male, I'm biased, but I consider my duty to save betas from her greater, than saving her. Keep them hoping just long enough, for the last egg to wither to dust.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
I think she might have confused Facebook points with real value.
BewareTheOldMan 5y ago
"Players with decent game should not run out the clock on women like her, even if they (we) can."
This lady knew the score years ago - women see very well other women paring off, getting married, and starting families.
This woman is 35-years-old. Men her age are not up for consideration. She realizes mid-30s men are going for younger women - and rightly so. Younger women are much better options in every way. Her new cohort is men in their 40s and 50s - likely divorced and may already have children.
If she doesn't get her life together, she won't even be able to generate interest from within those group of men.
She needs to suck it up and go for her mature man, otherwise 40 is just around the corner and it only gets worse from there...
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jewishsupremacist88 5y ago
tick tock tick tock. sometimes i want to sign up for a real dating site to see if it would be better this time around for me but honestly..i doubt it.
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 5y ago
...if you still have doubts about yourself, then you need to work on you first.
What have you done to make yourself a better man in the last 90 days?
How many women have you asked out?
How many have you even approached?
It all starts with you, bro.
jewishsupremacist88 5y ago
none. i cant change the fact that i am short and not very good looking .
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 5y ago
BULLSHIT Its not your size or your looks bro...
Stop masturbating, stop playing video games, stop watching mindless TV, stop wasting time... and instead, do the things that will make you a better man.
If this guy can get a date, and then get married, anyone can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxinUJcLGg
You have the power to change you.
2stepp 5y ago
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God, I feel your pain brother. For me that's always been the hard part. "Enjoy the decline", yeah? It's like I can understand it. I can accept it. But to be happy about it, to enjoy it??
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Truly accepting "the game" for what it is, fully realizing that there isn't a damn thing I can do to change it, and trying to find a way to be genuinely happy in spite of it all... By far my biggest challenges in swallowing the pill.
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