Essay:
https://therationalmale.com/2018/12/06/state-of-the-manosphere-2018/
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Excerpt:
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What is the Manosphere?
For as much as the mainstream would like to demonize it, the manosphere is really a collection of the minds of men. The manosphere is a Gestalt. That’s going to be an important word going forward here. A Gestalt is an organized whole that is perceived as more than the sum of its parts. And there are many parts of the manosphere.
For some, the manosphere is a convenient collection of like-minded men who share a common ideology. This is where the mainstream gets the idea that the manosphere is a gathering of misogynists. To our ideological opponents any collection of men, no matter the intent, is always suspect of misogyny. We’ll get back to misogyny later, but even a gathering of 200 of us here, no matter our purpose, is enough to make a feminine-primary social order very nervous.
To them, men gathered together has dangerous implications.
Keep this point in mind; it is a means of control over the Gestalt Masculine.
The primary strength of the ‘sphere is that we are a consortium of men’s experiences. We are gestalt; an aggregate of men who’ve come together to share, debate, to improve, to fight and to agree or disagree on the realistic state of men everywhere – all based on observations, empirical evidence and commonality among all men’s collected experiences.
Usually a man’s first experience with the manosphere is through his becoming Red Pill aware. I mean this in the sense of intersexual dynamics. I know the “Red Pill” has been bastardized to mean whatever ideological or political bent a person may have, but this isn’t where the term originated. Men generally find the ‘sphere because they want to improve their understanding of women.
Some become so distraught that they’re on the brink of suicide.
It may be from a life long confusion about the decisions they’ve made with women; a girlfriend, a wife, an Ex. What they find in the manosphere is answers. Maybe they find the works of any number of the men speaking here today. Maybe they find MGTOW, or the Men’s Rights Movement.
Maybe they find the Red Pill forum on Reddit (or maybe not today since the forum is still quarantined).
Maybe they discover more of the same in Purple Pill hacks – life coaches – who are feeding them just enough Red Pill awareness to them so that it seems novel.
Or maybe they find my blog and books.
Regardless, each of them is looking for a means to improve their lives. We don’t advertise in the manosphere. Not much anyway. The Red Pill, by its nature, is something that a man has to be looking for. Anyone who’s ever tried to “red pill” his friend or brother to help them avoid a life-ruining decision knows what I mean. It’s an unfortunate truth that men are often Zeroed Out and at their lowest when they become most open to introspection.
Men are often looking to understand women, but this eventually becomes an education in understanding themselves. It’s never enough to simply learn some PUA techniques. Game is integral to a Red Pill awakening in a man, but it is an incomplete act without internalizing the truths that the practice of Game reveals to men. As men learn about the nature of women they also come to realize why they did what they did, and why men do what they do. I often have men tell me how they wished they had the knowledge of the Red Pill before they made some debilitating decisions in their lives.
nebder 5y ago
In regards to the gender/culture war, how do we reconcile the fact that, simply put, I really enjoy women and like them to be a part of my life. That flies exactly in the face of withdrawing males completely as the counter strategy. In fact, as more males check out, being checked in would become a greater personal advantage.
That strategy would be effective however I cannot envision that it could be actually applied.
SKRedPill 5y ago
My two cents.
Most media totally fail to differentiate between the following - PUA, Incels, MGTOW, TRP, Married RP, MRA, Anger Phase, and the like -- the manosphere is full of different people at different levels of maturity and evolution.
The other takeaway is that defining the manosphere is a subtle frame game at work - if you don't define who you are and what you want, others will do it for you, and in ways that benefits their imperatives. The aspect of owning your life is still missed by a lot of people.
BobbyPeru 5y ago
I am a “coach.” I mainly call myself that since I’m finishing my masters in counseling, so I can’t call myself a counselor. My experience is very few are ready for real red pill coaching , and purple is about as far as they can go. I tried to coach one extremely BP man, but it’s like feeding chunks of steak to a baby. All he wanted to do was argue with me... which is in line with one of your essays (I can’t remember which one) where you said that BP men still plugged in will not be willing to look at a new way because it is too much for their ego to admit they’ve been doing it wrong their whole life.
After that client, I pretty much stopped doing “red pill coaching” because as you said, they have to go looking for it... but, not only that, they need to make the effort to swallow the pill, which can be as slow as a boa swallowing a rat.
I will still coach men, but I never call it red pill coaching, and ironically most of my new clients are women.
CopperFox3c 5y ago
People only hear what they want to hear. There was a funny moment last week where instagram personality "Tank Sinatra" posted some stoic philosophy quotes to his IG page, and a bunch of millennials came in there arguing with him about how it was all wrong and ignored the realities of trauma and privilege and oppression and all the things their 22-year-old selves learned in gender studies class. How they were all smarter than legendary philosophers like Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, and Seneca, and that those dudes were just a bunch of privileged white dudes.
Then somebody pointed out that Epictetus was born a slave, and shit got real funny.
uwey 5y ago
You can’t really teach others your art. Since these stoic life lesson is ultimately, yours only.
I share my experience, and often coated with some sugar so people can feel good and get placebos.
Why?
Because no one here living will WANT to listen truth. They need it the most, after all. Like poorest man need the money, and richest man needs youth, and so does most powerful man needs a honest advisor to counsel, finally, a man who want true freedoms will seek themselves.
I love ancient Chinese Taoist pries. They never preach nor accept student easily. They find their pupils after careful selection and test, one student and one master. Whoever wants to be free will be free, they will go look for it. Sometime people want you to preach, there are often 2 type of audience:
Get along, or get attention.
They want to poke you, or get along with you. That is it.
I often sugar coated just like everything else. To avoid any confrontation. I like what I like, and keep my road myself. Today, too much fuckery and time waste on not worthy people.
Only keep your enemy educated because you can also grow the most by defend and defeat your worst nemesis, you made him, now crush it.....
I learn how to build enemies later in my life, and it is totally the best experience I ever have. Never look it back. They are better than friend and ironically, your enemy care about you more than anyone else, the obsession almost as love. Hate and love is actually the same platform of feelings.
Go get that preach, and be careful to majority worthless brain dead meat sack.
politeAndLevelHed 5y ago
I think the biggest awakening I ever had was to realise that there is zero point chasing someone that is not attracted physically to you.
Life is not like the movies where the persistent guy wins the girl. Or where the girl wakes up and realises her best male friend was the right man for her all along.
Either she's into you or she isn't. If she's not don't even bother, you'll just end up throwing in more effort on top of already spent effort ("Sunk Cost Fallacy") thinking it all has to count for something. It doesn't, at least not to her.
The rest of it, bettering yourself to make yourself more appealing to another, is all good, but, yeah, that realisation above is when I woke up.
warlordchad 5y ago
Trying to explain this to a friend yesterday and he’s like, bra she’s just taking things slow. No. She’s not that attracted to me. Could she be a less sexual person? Sure. Could she be a more conservative girl? Sure. But whatever the reason, if all she wants to do is peck after two dates, she’s just not that attracted to me.
Luckily we have an answer for this: NEXT.
CainPrice 5y ago
I think there's a moderate danger in the "manosphere" becoming a group or tribe at all. The second men have some kind of internet group they can identify with, they get lazy. They can read and post shit on the internet all day and feel like they're doing work to better themselves because the shit they happen to be reading and writing about is masculinity.
Plus, identity groups like the manosphere are exploitable. That's why dozens of people have emerged to make brands for themselves, whether they're directly selling snake oil sexual success techniques to desperate ugly guys, using the manosphere for notoriety and funding for a shameless self-promoting movie, or just enjoying the rush of internet fame.
As the idea of the manosphere grows and becomes slightly more mainstream (at least on the internet), it's destined to fragment. A bunch of sub-groups, each declaring "This is the real manosphere. The other groups are just sugar-coated hacks out for fame and your money."
I think the never-gonna-happen perfect ideal would be all men being the in-group, kind of like all women are team woman, instead of the manosphere versus blue pill betas and women.
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scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Thx Rollo. Could you give us a briefing on where you see the manosphere headed in the near future? I know you were leading into that. But I’m too impatient to wait for your talk to come out.
I’m deeply interested in how the culture war in the West pans out in the next decade and the gender Cold War is a core component of it all. So I think we’re all eager to hear your take.
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celloist 5y ago
Lay off the meth for a bit
somebullshitrp 5y ago
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
Yakatonker 5y ago
For anyone curious as to why you should never vaccinate. Eugenics was largely created by the Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Institute in the US as a ode to British Eugenics(which is now called the Galton Institute). Those two foundations mentioned spent almost a billion dollars to build Nazi Germany's system of Eugenics, the Kaiser Wilhiem Institute and continued funding, participation up and beyond 1939.
So for those of us here in North America what does this mean? That Eugenicists are still predominantly in control of governmental sciences. That genomics is the evolution of eugenics, abortion is population control and the soft variant of terminating highly reproduction racial demographic groups as is implicitly shown in Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black ....
The origins of American pharmaceuticals are just as notorious, let alone the extreme revisionist history of the "elimination of infectious diseases" or pseudo scientific garbage like "herd immunity" that came solely about from advertising and propaganda.
Looking into things such as Wakefield, he was never in actuality discredited, but was successfully buried by a paid pharmaceutical shill/reporter on the behest of American plutocrat Rupert Murdoch's son. Murdoch's son was hired to protect UK pharmaceutical business interests and leveraged his father's propaganda empire to publically destroy Wakefield.
Murdoch and Vaccines: Exposure of Crimes Reveals a Much Larger Story
In terms of Autism, the rate will hit 50% of boys sometime in the next two decades... An anomaly that was never present in populations at such a high rate three decades prior. In Canada Somalian community claims its the mass prescription of antibiotics destroying the bacteria gut of children causing this dysfunction, others call onto vaccines as the root. It is not known because the government, the MSM and the aborent corrupt Western Academia are viciously dishonest and corrupt. Worse, there is a known and pervasive population control agenda, ie the hormone blockers for "transgender children" completely sterilizes them.
SUCK_MY_DICTIONARY 5y ago
Dude what the fuck are you guys on? Mods?
Yakatonker 5y ago
That's funny, does the title of this forum say the Blue Pill(TBP)? Being a man with some control of his own manifest destiny requires a working perspective of this world. Loading up the governmental programming is the last fucking thing you aught to be doing.
Galton Annual Lecture(2017), take at look at what the elder British Eugenics society is raving about. Second item, the presenter who openly calls herself a Eugenicist with the backdrop of Babylon at the end of the video, she's has an Order of Canada, meaning she's a highly respected political and science figure in the country.
Now if you were a blue pilled f----t this type of shit would fly a mile over you.