Introduction
The Dowry is a large asset given by the family of the bride to the husband in order to create a marriage contract that actually counteracts Hypergamy.
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Body
The Dowry concept actually came before what we remember as Marriage 1.0:
The Code of Hammurabi, Babylonian law written in the 1750s BC, provides one of the earliest forms of written law in human history.
(taken from ROK - "Why We Should Reinstitute The Dowry")
So here's how it might work today.
- The woman says:
"Why don't we get married?"
- The man replies:
"If we are to marry your family must give me $50k as a Dowry which I will place in a Trust Fund which will one day go to our future children."
- Woman is stunned, she questions:
"What do you need the $50k Dowry for?"
- Man confidently replies:
"Honey, I know you feel love for me today, but a women's feelings can change by the hour. If you want a divorce and we have children I need the Dowry to help pay for child support."
- Woman replies:
"But if we are married don't I get half your assets anyway?"
- Man explains:
"No, in most cases property or assets acquired before marriage remain in the hands of the original owner. The Dowry would be transferred and the Trust Fund set up before signing the marriage contract. A pre-nuptual could be written to formalize this agreement and eliminate any ambiguities."
- Woman feeling shaky says:
"But my family would be horrified if I divorced... they would hate me forever because my failure in marriage would cost them the Dowry."
- Man smiles:
"Yes, that would create serious dread for you. It will make you less prone to divorce based on feelings alone."
- Woman mumbles:
"Well I don't want to get married then."
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Conclusion
You want to knock down questions about marriage?
Ask for a Dowry.
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Venicedreaming 8y ago
In East Asia, it's actually the guy who has to pay the dowry. But again, divorce wasn't common in Asia and still is uncommon.
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In Australia we are not saved by the "don't get married" mantra which is constantly repeated in here. If you are in a relationship for more than two years it is a common law marriage and the Family Law Act applies. So if you are an Australian reading TRP then the best advice is never stay in an LTR for more than 22 months. Never have children unless you are willing to lose them for 12 days out of every 14.
DexterousRichard 8y ago
Isn't there a cohabitation requirement? If so, wouldn't you be ok if you never lived together? Or maybe if you always had other women?
optimusgryme 8y ago
It Thailand we have 'sin sot' which is a dowry paid to the family of the female. It's pretty fucked up, since the dowry is negotiated and is paid in both cash and gold, which is presented on a platter at the wedding for all guests to see.
The dowry can be given back after the wedding, but this is up to the family of the bride.
The value of the dowry is based on how much money the guy has and the perceived value of the chick. If she has a degree, is a virgin, is young, the only daughter and good looking, the parents can demand more.
Even ladyboys can demand a dowry, even though they will never provide kids.
It's pretty fucked up.
aiguo888 8y ago
Are you thai? You sound like a western person who has a superficial idea about thai culture.
It's not a dowry but a way to show to the family and everybody in attendance at the wedding that you are a man of means and not poor.
optimusgryme 8y ago
As mentioned, I'm not Thai, but have lived here for a long time and studied Thailand at SOAS, so I have a pretty deep knowledge of things. You are oversimplifying things with your assessment of the sin sot. Look it up, you will see it's more than that.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
Wait.
Stop.
What's a lady boy?
optimusgryme 8y ago
Ladyboy is general term here for a transsexual, m - f. Extremely common here in Thailand. Some are very hard to identify as they can be very beautiful. However, I've never spoken with one yet who didn't have issues of some sort.
Neuermann 8y ago
Haha, what? Like the opposite of a dowry?
Stated above, a dowry was a bribe to get a man to marry your daughter, because a marriage was a lose lose for a man.
Thailand wants the man to pay for the daughter's hand in marriage? Does Thailand have a deficit of males? China has this problem, and you see women treating men like shit. In this video, his girlfriend is berating this guy in public over stupid shit and finally he yells something like "It's over!" Because there are so few women, the guys are expected to put up with this shit.
Lady boys too?
I don't understand too much about Thailand culture, so can you explain this to me? Are lady boys considered "female" in every way by law? In the US, I think that if a man has a gender reassignment operation they are considered female in every way.
What is the point of the 'sin sot'? Also, is the divorce rate pretty high there?
optimusgryme 8y ago
So yeah, sin sot is a dowry, but paid from male to female, rather than the other way around. So yeah, could say a reverse dowry.
I don't really know the full reason why, but I have heard a few things. For example; when a girl is living with her family before marriage, she can contribute to the family. When she gets married, her contribution disappears. Therefore, the husband is required to pay her final contribution upfront. I don't know whether there's truth in that, just what I've heard.
In regards to gender ratios, I think there are more women in Thailand by a slight margin. However, due to the number of homosexuals (there are a fuck tonne) and the number of ladyboys, the ratio really favours guys. Especially in Bangkok, as the dudes are kept on the farms to work where as the girls are often sent to university and to get a proper job in the city.
The third gender, as it's known here, has no legal right to become a female. Their ID cannot be changed etc. However, even though the government doesn't recognise them as female, society is very progressive about ladyboys. Pretty weird to be honest. Been here over 6 years and still baffles me.
In regards to redpilling over here, there are still a lot of beta dudes, just like everywhere else. Although there is an abundance of women, guys still let themselves get treated like shit.
I have some pretty whacked out stories of crazy Thai bitches. They can be fucking nuts.
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Neuermann 8y ago
I looked it up and, from the source I saw, it want quite so cut and dry. It seems that in the Thai culture the oldest daughter takes care of the parents. The payment is to replace their care taker. Daughters even pay part of their salary to the parents until she gets married.
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tekn0_ 8y ago
Well.. that explains why many women end up taking prostitution in Thailand. Why would any real men feel the need to pay money to get married to have sex with the same person for a long time? Sanely thinking men don't do that, and end up paying money for the real value of a woman, her pussy. Sometimes I wish these oriental cultures would evolve their stupid customs based on real and genuine understanding of more meaningful truth.
optimusgryme 8y ago
Thailand is a weird one for sure. While the sin sot custom is pretty odd, it is a man's world out here. Having a second wife (mia noi) or girls on the side (gik) is very common and accepted by a huge number of women. Durex did a survey and found that Thai men are the second most adulterous on the planet.
So while it seems as though it's a shit deal for the bloke, actually we get away with murder here compared to what men get away with in most western societies.
[deleted] 8y ago
Are you Thai yourself or a foreigner living there? Curious if the latter is automatic beta bucks status.
optimusgryme 8y ago
I'm a foreigner living here. Interested to know why you think automatic beta buck status. I agree that for a lot of guys here, that is the case. But I don't think it's automatic.
[deleted] 8y ago
Nothing concrete, just heard a lot of stories about dumb beta bucks ex-pats migrating to Thailand to pedestalize vaginas and figured predatory women would learn to seek out white men for that purpose over time.
Also because I don't hear about Thai women fetishizing white men in the same way that many claim Japanese women do, for example. But you would know better than I. Is there a Thai equivalent of "gaijin hunters"?
optimusgryme 8y ago
As a generalisation I would agree with you. A lot of older dudes here spunking their pension up a ruthless Thai whore. I have some pretty bad horror stories of acquaintances who have been royally fucked over.
However, Thai women, much like many Asian women, do tend to dote on their fellas. I think they inherently understand that men are the prize and treat them as such. That is, up until they realise you are a beta faggot and can have all the benefits without having to screw your fat, lazy ass, they will screw you over as best they can.
Ultimately, Thai guys usually treat women here like shit, so whichever way you cut it, most Thai women prefer to be with non-Thai guys to a degree. Whether they do it to fuck a beta over, or to simply marry up.
It helps to keep a level head as a dude here. It's all too easy to fall for the ego-stroke and then fall into a trap.
bnine_ 8y ago
There is a contrary concept of bride-price where man has to buy the bride from her family.
It is attributed mainly to Mongolian nomads and, i think is made to support nomadic lifestyle (not to get married)
[deleted] 8y ago
Get married, or don't get married but remember that part of the purpose for dowries was that employment was not open to women. Other than the oldest profession.....
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
The point of the dowry is that daughters were a liability. This was payment for the man to take the dependent daughter off the parents' hands, and marry her (thereby accepting responsibility for her).
Now that we have no-fault divorce, alimony and child support things have come full circle - you'd be mad to get married without a sizeable dowry.
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In the sense you're thinking of, it's a different thing, it's to further incentivize marriage to a lesser woman, rather than because she's a liability. In those days a woman had an actual purpose in marriage, raise kids, look after home etc.
The idea is that if you're a good man you don't wanna marry a 6, however she comes with a loan that you can use to buy a house or start a business, maybe some nice boots or an axe, whatever, best part of it is the loan is free if you don't abuse or divorce her. That 8 down the street you were thinking about, doesn't have a dowry, or her dowry isn't that great, so it's a decent opportunity cost to level out the playing field for lesser women.
You'd be mad to get married at all in the west!
RedSugarPill 8y ago
I love you, neoreaction. I have been trying to figure out how to fix the marriage laws, with contracts, or by forming a corporation, but I'm no lawyer. This is brilliant!
RojoEscarlata 8y ago
While the law works in a more "egalitarian" way balancing the system of this particular law, this only is not a fix to what is destroying proper family values.
A law won't fix a society deeply rotten and with no values or purpose.
And throwing a law on top on another is one of those ideas which simply don't work as we have seen time and time again.
NiceTryDisaster 8y ago
I hope this is a sarcastic/humor post and that you are not actually suggesting that men ask for dowry, right?
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TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
We're getting closer and closer to Islamic marriage contract formats.
Eventually how we do marriages in America where we don't know what we're getting into until we're getting out of them, is going to change by necessity.
FortunateBum 8y ago
Anthropologists have of course studied dowrys since they are so strange to us modern westerners.
The general conclusion? Men didn't want to get married. What's in it for them? Sound familiar? The dowry is a bribe to get a man to take a woman in. She was a dependent so choosing to take her into your house was a burden. Sound familiar?
I'm not sure the definitive history of the dowry has been written, but I'm thinking that maybe poor people made their girls attractive by training them to do household chores. For farmers, they wanted children anyway so in the western world, with strong agrarian traditions, dowrys may have been not as significant. I'd guess that non-farming cultures have a stronger history of dowrys.
The dowry teaches us that marriage has always been a lose for a man and once it was so much so that men had to be bribed into it. Consider also that we're talking about societies where women were practically treated like property and still men didn't want to get married.
Just don't get married. Unless she's significantly wealthier than yourself, US Founding Fathers style - all of whom intentionally married the richest women they could.
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[deleted] 8y ago
While this is jokes, that's not what a dowry is or was, the dowry was money from the parents given as a marital gift to their daughter instead of inheritance for the event the marriage breaks down.
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I dont think this was the case. Got any links?
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/dowry
EDIT: Even in babylon which the OP mentioned, it was in essence money for the daughter.
flyercomet 8y ago
A real dowry is a great idea. My parents spent tens of thousands on my sister's wedding. What tremendous waste that could have been a significant dowry. Our culture and laws lack tangible incentives for men to get married. We put weddings ahead of marriage. Bad deal.
LyricBaritone 8y ago
I've always thought it was crazy how much money people spend on weddings. Fuck, just get married at city hall, then throw a big ass party at your house where everybody byob. Just as fun, without all the damn hassle.
[deleted] 8y ago
This is funny in a navel-gazing way, but if you want to quash talk about marriage, it isn't hard.
"No, we're not getting married."
Done.
pavista 8y ago
The problem is civil law marriage is equally hostile in most societies. Sure, its not as sharp of a knife as full on Marriage, but it can inflict significant pain.
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Ultimately the core rule is never form a co-habitat. It's very difficult to prove a civil union without co-habitation.
evilserpentwoman 8y ago
Agreed. Mentioning dowry will only make you seem like an unstable asshole lol
Obio1 8y ago
I think this is not meant to be taken literally.
The point is that historically, men needed convincing -- financial convincing -- to take on the burden of a wife.
Now men give the woman a dowry. We call it an "engagement ring", but it's essentially the same thing. And even modern feminists who 'object to being objectified' -- hamster away the engagement ring as "tradition".
But traditionally, it was the other way around. Parents lured men in with cold hard cash.
With marriage rates plunging across the world. And men by the millions beginning to figure out that marriage is an absolutely terrible deal, it may not be long before we see knowing (apologetic) parents attempt to 'sweeten the deal' and lure potential suitors in for their nightmare of a daughter.
All I know is it would take one hell of a dowry to get me to give up freedom for an aging slice of pussy, daily demands and the massive financial risk that marriage represents.
User-31f64a4e 8y ago
It's proof of ability to provision, not dowry.
To some extent, it's also proof that you can be whipped into doing stupid arbitrary shit because of her fee-fees.
ANakedBear 8y ago
It is 100% a marketing scam invented 60 years ago.
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Worse yet his "tradition" is less than 3 generations old (1947). Diamond rings are the practical application on a very successful marketing campaign. N. W. Ayer. the advertising company which generated the diamonds are forever campaign hired the a majority of former propaganda specialists from the UK and US after the end of WWII.
History of diamond engagement:
http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-de-beers-2011-12?op=1
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
It worked the other way around also, if the man decided to get rid of the woman, he would have to return the dowry to the family.
Basically the best you can do, is marry a woman with the highest income earning potential as possible, that way in the event of a separation under the new equality laws it can be used against her.
The hamster wheels of TRP will start spinning with all the betas screaming these type of women are bitches and have attitude etc. No they just don't know how to manage things properly. I used to have a pair of these man eaters would would cook me nice things to eat all weekend and then help me in other ways.
That is because I empower women ☺
darkstout 8y ago
Except most women quit the workforce or reduce their hours when they have children, so you'll still be screwed, perhaps even more since she "gave up" a career.
the99percent1 8y ago
Good luck finding a woman who out earns you.. women do not marry down, they marry up.
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I found a loophole to this- if you compete directly with a woman you had better be more successful at it, or she'll disappear, like you said. If you have status that isn't related to her field, be it a successful sports star, have worldly accomplishments, a bleeding-heart third world charity worker, a successful artist, have a passive income but be a slacker day-to-day life you can bypass this.
Also and most importantly:
DO NOT GET MARRIED, EVER.
billythebeta 8y ago
I agree with this statement-- women generally tend to marry up. Those who marry down are the exception to the rule, and generally come from a background of hypergamy, so they're irrelevant to any RP fella
chances_are_ur_a_fag 8y ago
my girl makes quite a bit more than I do and her family is pretty wealthy
GentLemonArtist 8y ago
i know a few 100k earning women marrying 50k earning men. ~30 yrs old.
RedBigMan 8y ago
That's probably because they lucked out in the college lottery and got a position as say a pharmacist or doctor or something because the bar for women is much lower than men.
Also those men must have some serious game to keep a woman on the hook without flashing huge beta bux potential around. Even alpha dudes need to show they can support a woman if they want to get and stay married for the long haul.
[deleted] 8y ago
That's what I did. My wife makes 3 times as much as I do. We've had ups and downs from time to time, but now I'm 6 years in and things are great. I've got a 1 year old son. It's a good family scene up here. As Sir_Wankalot said, you don't need a high income to manage a relationship even with a successful woman. You need a good toolbox of psychological skills, impulse control, and a certain level of maturity.
Of course, it helps that she's not American. So I can view her entirely as a companion, the way it should be, and not as some kind of opponent in a strategy game. I think American women are mostly beyond help. I was also older (38 when I married), so I'd done pretty much everything I wanted to do.
I'm an oddity in this sub because I know TRP in general is against marriage, but I believe you can and should cash out your chips in the right situation.
Let's be clear, her income was just one of many factors. She has a lot, a lot of good qualities outside of her career. She's been a great fit for me. But after a near miss with an earlier engagement to someone else, I would never consider marrying down and I'd hesitate about even marrying equal - especially with a girl born and raised in the USA. You're just asking for trouble and you never know if she is just sticking around for the money.
Soarinc 8y ago
Playing devil's advocate -- why should a similar man in a similar position as you described choose NOT to get married? I mean you are still prone to US laws and can get divorce raped or cheated on by your wife with chad right? Plus men assume all the risks and women have secured your commitment? (honest question, it will help the newbies here on the sub)
[deleted] 8y ago
Nah, I'm glad to field questions because I'm always open to finding out if there's something I haven't thought of.
I had considered all your concerns earlier, since when we first married she wasn't a citizen and I wanted to be sure in my mind (before marriage of course) that this wasn't some sort of play.
She makes 3 times as much as I do. We live in a house where she makes nearly all the payments but we are both on the title. I'm the one who has cut back on work hours to look after the kid. Sure, I'm prone to US laws and there is going to be some bias towards women, but everything I've looked at tells me I'd take her to the woodshed in a divorce - at worst I'd come out about even. It really looks to me like she's taken all the financial risks there, and to be honest, I've moved things in that direction whenever I can.
I'm not expecting to have to use this knowledge. I'm totally above board in how I deal with her and my son. But one thing that I would stress to newbies, and TRP agrees with wholeheartedly, is to always look at the worst case in a relationship. If she shocks me in future and whips out the machine gun on me, I'm not going to get caught.
Nothing's stopping her (or me) from cheating of course. And anything I say otherwise here would sound like a NAWALT argument. But in my case, she lived with her family/parents until she married me, she's focused on academics... a pure nerd. Compared to the people she's usually around, I'm Chad.
There's no such thing as 100%. Just like anything, you look at your odds and percentages and make the best call. I know other guys have said this before and regretted it, but I think I made the best available play here. I can't see a potential downside, in my situation, to getting married other than not being able to roam anymore - and at 44 that's largely out of my system now. I wouldn't recommend marriage to someone below 30 under nearly any circumstances.
through_a_ways 8y ago
Unless you married a Russian or some other euro girl, this is just trading one form of currency for another.
constructiveasshole 8y ago
Interesting. How old was she when you married her?
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NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
If there was a divorce when there were no children the Dowry should be returned.
The idea is that the Dowry acts as a sort of insurance policy. If the woman loses her "feels" and there are children involved then a part of the child support is paid by the wife's family.
We forget that families used to war with each other.
When a divorce rape occurs it can be seen as an attack of the wife's family upon the family of the husband robbing the future of their son.
Divorce rape has family implications.
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[deleted] 8y ago
Property division in divorce is done by equity in most cases, not law. Equity is a tool used to allow judges to decide what's fair, rather than what's law. It can allow exceptions to law in extraordinary cases, give discretion to judges in mundane cases, or act as a shield to protect citizens from unjust laws. Marriage, is the second of those. Laws about shit like prenups, or any other agreements, are quashed with some very wide parameters that allow the judge to really just do what they want. Words like "unenforceable" sound like they mean shit that literally violates the laws of logic or physics to enforce, but actually often just mean "unethical", which is very subjective. It's also universally applicable, regardless of what you write.
Moreover, the US is a commonlaw nation which means that what we've decided before determines what we'll decide later. Since we've already decided many many many cases of divorce and obviously bajillions of those are straight up divorce-rape, it's very easy for the other side to come up with some legit citations to ruin the man's life, even within the constraints of law. If you read a statute that sounds reasonable, that shouldn't make you feel better because there's a million citable commonlaw cases that interpret the statute unreasonably and those cases, not its actual text, determine what it means.
Never. Get. Married.
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
It isn't the equity that kills you, it is the child support / alimony.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Even if you don't get married but have kids the law automatically grants child support.
My thinking with the Dowry is that it gives some relief of the slavery of child support by having this asset to draw upon in case of divorce.
Now what you say is correct...
The judge could defy everything you explicitly spelled out to create this protection with a Dowry and divorce rape the hell out of you, but he has to be willing to defy what was clearly understood.
A judge might have his own progressive agenda and want to destroy hope for any man attempting to bring such an insurance policy into a divorce rape.
Alimony is a separate issue.
Plus a judge can just say:
"Okay, you have a Dowry... I was going to set child support at $600 per month but since you have the Dowry I'll bump that up to $900 a month since you can pay it."
...and that basically destroys any value in having a Dowry.
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Blazedazex55 8y ago
Not exactly correct. A judge is still required to follow the laws of the state, regardless that division of property is a question of equity. The reason the judge has so much discretion is because most states grant the judge broad discretion. For instance, it is common to find a family law statue declaring the division of property to be divided equally unless the court finds such division to be inequitable.
The point being, divorce rape happens because people allow laws to pass that grant judges the authority to divorce rape.
aazav 8y ago
Dude, it's just dowry and marriage. Why are you capitalizing those words? It doesn't work that way. They are not proper names. They are just things. Don't capitalize them.
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Nailed it. The German noun case system is much more elegant and pleasing to the eye...much like Germans themselves actually.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
That's assuming you still have such strong families.
One of the last places on Earth with strong familial bonds as you mentioned has been getting carved up, undermined and bombed from every which way imaginable.
Just sayin.
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TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
Oh shut the fuck up already.
As if you even know what you're talking about.
If she wants she packs her backs takes the babies and goes to her father's house. What the fuck are you gonna do about it? Nothing. Not when 10 members of her dads tribe are waiting for you at the front door.
Yeah exactly. You're beta fag ass will quickly resort to diplomacy.
Please keep your tabloid knowledge to yourself.
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TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
So, Ben Fucking Shapiro vs emperical data from the field generations long?
Right. Good luck.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
I hear you on that one.
Europe greets with open arms "those seeking revenge for their lands being destroyed".
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TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
In other words, what I meant was, Europeans were getting revenge that their women are whores and there's no going back so they bomb the shit out of these guys to ahem "liberate" them and their women ...
... oh wait - I see you're point now.
Well, if the Europeans let them keep their faith it's ok. If they start enforcing mass culture "re-education" to the popes delight; yeah that's going to be a problem.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Terrorism is fake. (staged)
This does NOT mean that deaths aren't real, but that the use of terror tactics are designed to create chaos where there was once order. It's often False Flag activity.
The middle east was basically minding it's own business up until the plot to dismember it came into existence:
General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
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The Muslims flooding Europe must be thinking "payback time".
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TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
I have heard the Wesley Clark thing before. Crazy to imagine but not beyond our military.
It's seems like that time of century again - to start redefining the middle eastern map again.
Russia is in full effect to that end. They seem to b replaying for keeps.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
24 seconds here:
Prince Predicts 9 11 Three Years Earlier In 1998 - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzC_GNaf12o
Five minutes:
Dr. Bob Bowman (Aeronautical and Nuclear Engineer) - 9/11 Explosive Evidence - Experts speak out - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_4X8OVL5vo
Several hours here:
JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM
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[deleted] 8y ago
The best and weirdest smug satisfaction is being with a plate who gets a work call from her minions and she tears them a new one regarding what they need to do at work, then she hangs up the phone and acts pretty as pie as a submissive female to you. Some noobs may not understand this but after a few years your frame becomes completely impenetrable and the toughest women become kittens.
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
For certain types of jobs, women are better then men. She would torment men at work for amusement, and she had a flock of orbiters. She was the second woman in a threesome I had going for a little over two years. Long story short I screwed up the threesome because I was stupid, so is life.
But yah she used to tell me about the cruel things she did to her orbiters. She would make them wait for several hours and purposely be late. Then afterwards get the guy to take her for an expensive dinner and then tell him to fuck off.
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sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
Where you one of her orbiters ?
[deleted] 8y ago
There's no need to bring negative people into your life, even if they're hot.
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
Trying to think what was negative about her. I found it really negative that the cooked nice things for me to eat when ever I told her to, when ever I called her up she got her ass over to my place, she sucked cock really well, the other chick i was with said she ate pussy really well, really good at fucking. She was entertaining, the stories about how she made guys like you orbit for hours on end where hilarious. If we went out she usually paid her own way.
Your right, I don't need these negative things in my life ☺
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Man you can have a chick that's great in bed and is still bitchy and whiny all the time. You sound like the orbiter here putting up with that shit. She sounds like she listened to you, dunno why you didn't tell her to save the complaining for someone else.
Also dude, trying to AMOG someone on an anonymous forum is something else. Get it together.
sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
Read a bit more TRP and get back to me.
She is never bitchy and whiney with me. I do not tolerate that. Feminism is the biggest shit test around. Again you have listen to exactly what women are saying, and then read between the lines. Many of them will say "Most men cant handle us" or other hamsters.
I am training a new one, it takes work. They like to play master and slave, sometimes she forgets to call me sir, naughty slaves who do not respect their master have to be disciplined. A good slave will pull down her pants and panty and ask master to spank her so she will be a good slave.
Comcially part is when she then goes out and rips some guy a new asshole ☺
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Funny.
In Islam it's the opposite; the MAN has to pay a dowry, to "buy" the girl so to speak (it goes to her, not her family). The flip side: he alone holds the divorce cards. She cannot divorce.
To balance this, if the man chooses to divorce, he must pay another dowry, not to mention alimony. These measures are in place to make sure the man will not just use the wife for temporary sex then throw her to the street.
If she wants to initiate divorce, she has to give up alimony and the post-divorce dowry.
[deleted] 8y ago
3 years ago I was engaged when I was a bluepill motherfucker who didnt know my own value. Now im getting close to being engaged again. And I know my value is atleast 3 goats a chicken and an acre of arable land. Maybe more. Only the gym can determine that.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
Now this guy knows what's up.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
Get them cows man. the cows are profitable.
TheWastedYearz 8y ago
just dont buy em EMIRITE GAIS?!!
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destraht 8y ago
Before I wad exposed to TRP I was living with a Indian friend and his mom for about six months. I realized that the dowry was a pretty good idea because women are so burdensome and are such a pain in the ass. Now I have a more detailed understanding.
niczar 8y ago
Joking aside, considering the amount of debt middle class people are in nowadays, this would very severely limit the pool of available brides.
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sir_Preacher 8y ago
Marriage is a religious/cultural institution. Marriage is NOT a government institution. Religion and culture gave birth to marriage and only those two forces can successfully ensure the stability and continuity of marriage and the family system.
Whereas religion and culture have systems in place to ensure and enforce virginity, prevent infidelity and minimize divorce, the feminized government of contemporary times have no such powers.
Religion and culture had systems in place to resolve marital crises and avoid divorce at all cost, but the best the government can do when a spouse(mostly women) is ''just not happy'' is to fuck up the man's life through alimony and child support, and fuck up the children's lives through child custody.
Under religion and traditional marriages, a divorced woman faces loss of provision, social rejection and is ridiculed because ''she doesn't know how to keep a man.'' But under government-contract marriage, a divorced woman walks away with cash prizes and is praised as a strong independent woman.
Under religious and traditional marriages, it was hardly, ''the woman left the man'', but mostly, ''the man left the woman''.
we can go on and on and on....
LyricBaritone 8y ago
I personally like it a lot better the way things are now. There are plenty of women who will fuck before marriage, which is way better than having to deal with a nagging bitch of a wife and kissing her ass to try to get sex. And if you have a kid, the worst that comes of it is you pay child support. If you were married, and then divorced, you would probably have alimony on top of the child support payments.
ILoveSunflowers 8y ago
Religion is culture, it's redundant to talk about them both in this context
magus678 8y ago
Unless you are assigning legal powers to religions, like stoning, (not acceptable) all they really have the power to do is shame. Enforcing virginity, minimizing divorce, etc.
Which is certainly potent. But it only works, so to speak, if you believe in it.
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
Shaming ? oh boy, you have no idea. In Islam, at least, after divorce, the man gives the woman 4 months worth of expenses and can't take anything from his wealth. The man gets to keep his children, if any. Then the feminist came around and tried to establish the 50/50 law, but that shit didn't work. Now they reestablished the old laws.
This means I can get married, and if I somehow become a beta fag and my woman wants to divorce me, then she can go back to her parents' house. A simple as that.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
Except YOU pay the Dowry to HER family under Islam. So she'll be keeping that as well.
But in reality, what really happens is she'll go home to her *tribes* houses ... and take her babies too. They'll be there for a bunch of years at least until they are old enough to run around.
(What are you gonna do about it? Go toe to toe 10 of her cousins armed to the teeth? Not as a beta fag you will. And if you weren't a beta fag ... she wouldn't be leaving).
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
The dowry could be a metal ring or 5 dollars and no one will give you shit about it. Now, her family could be complaining and whatnot but the right to the offspring belongs to the father.
Strong men( read alpha) are the ones who get divorced the most in my country. They keep cheating until she can't take it anymore. Betas get married and stay like that for the rest of their somehow happy life.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
Sooo you're saying you're county had a massive infidelity problem undermining marriage writ large?
Whelp that's what you probably want to fix. Alphabeta or not
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
that's some weird reading-between- the line you are doing there. I didn't say that. There is no problem with marriage in our country except the shitty economy.
TheRedThrowAwayPill 8y ago
Oh ok. You made it sound like marriage was not feasible like in US/UK. Sorry
ChadThundercockII 8y ago
But hypergamy rules and precautions still apply. That's why I'm here, learning from you guys.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
Sorry, super stupid idea. The most likely ending: you go home alone, she fucks some other guy.
RedSugarPill 8y ago
The story always ends the same.
ifancy 8y ago
It's like people of this forum forget key concepts, abundance mentality, wtf you trying to actually get married for? Death sentence.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
The sub has been overrun by those with the most superficial "understanding" of RP, writing in an attempt to become RP celebrities. The holes in their understanding are huge, and gaping (like their moms). Thanks for not being one of those.
ifancy 8y ago
I'd rather get rejected than suggest marriage. He's almost suggesting to go along with the "getting married" idea just to get laid. Super stupid idea.