I see this a lot in other member's field reports "dude you are 6'2 she was practically throwing herself at you". I'm 6'2, thin (thanks to trp and seeing muscle definition), trendy haircut, I speak well, I carry myself, and yet my dick is dryer than the Sahara Desert.
It's not your height, it's YOU.
People IRL think I'm swimming in poon. Well, I'm not. And it chips my ego as another reminder to stay humble.
Our game sucks ass cheeks while we're fumbling around trying new things in the real world looking for IOIs and other opportunities to be charming.
Your height, your money, your looks, your dick size, your car, none of that is the end all to end all for poon smashing. Get that false shit out of your head. I'm tired of reading it. Sure being short has its disadvantages but somewhere out there is a midget getting his dick ridden by what he perceives as a giantess and he's not complaining.
GrimerPua 8y ago
5'7ish (1.73cm) here. I think everyone should live in a country like Germany for while to experience girls averaging 5.7. While I've fucked a handful of 6/7s here as tall as me, it's simply not easy ramping up on quality even if they all like my thick beard and how jacked and proportional I look.
There's only one way to go here. Height I can't change, but certainly I can improve on other factors that may improve my overall results. There's no easy way for shorter man.
_Mythos 8y ago
Being short is a disadvantage, but not a big one. If you're short, I think the majority of girls will have that stigma in their mind when they see you of, "oh look, there's a short guy, he's probably nothing special". But this is just their first impression, and honestly a lot of it is social conditioning. They're trained to have that first impression. It's a biological reaction too, for sure, because they know instinctively that you don't have as much physical prowess as a taller guy of a similar build. But it's also a socially conditioned reaction (at least in the West). Both factors are coming into play.
After she has her initial impression of you, it's not like she'll discount you from being a potential mate just based on that one condition (she may claim she does this, but it's not true). She will still be watching you, to see if her evaluation was right or wrong. If you prove to be really attractive, she'll definitely change her opinion of you. She'll first think.. "Oh, what's this? He's actually got something going on?" and then if things keep going well, "Oh my god this guy's actually really cool and sexy." You know how women are. They can change their minds so quickly and easily to fit with their emotions. Of course, if you continue to display weak traits, she'll confirm in her mind that her initial impression was correct, and that impression will stick and be quite difficult to reverse.
Being short is a disadvantage, but mostly because if your shortness is the first thing she notices about you (and this will be common), her initial knee-jerk impression of you will be unfavorable. But it's just an initial impression, and you can turn it around by displaying attractive traits. In some cases being short can even turn out to be an advantage, because if you prove yourself to be really cool in spite of being short, people will respect that more than someone who is 6'3 who didn't have to work for it as much.
As a short guy, I think it's important to have a balanced view of your strengths and weaknesses. Don't be mad when someone is quick to label you as weak because of your shortness. Expect it. It's what people do. They also make quick judgements about people based on a huge list of other criteria. Everyone does it. But also realize these first judgements are flimsy. They're just a convenience for people. Women aren't stupid enough to actually think 100% of short guys are worthless, weak, and unattractive and cannot have any good qualities. They just have a little stigma programmed into their mind for convenience. You can break that mold. If you believe you 100% have no chance because you're too short, you are wrong, and you have a totally toxic view of yourself and the world that you should work on.
bsutansalt 8y ago
Height is a natural attraction trigger, so shorter guys need to make up for it in some way. A very simple method for doing so is being built.
Muscularity absolutely compensates for lack of height.
I thought I'd seen how true this was in years past, but this year specifically has been a game changer for me. I'm 39 and my arms have never been bigger and women, once they see the arms, it's apples and oranges the same way it was when I was fat and slimmed down.
Point being, having tight verbal game, keen skill at escalation, sky high status, and being tall and/or built are the building blocks of having high SMV. Not everyone is going to be great at all of that and some things you can't do anything about. Focus on what you can improve and stop fretting about the shit you can't (eg height).
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The shorter you are the less muscle you need to look good. At 6'2" I need to be 210 lean to be "big". I'm currently at 175, it's a long hard road to gain weight.
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NoFatChicks88 8y ago
yeah, just because most women prefer tall guys it doesn't mean there won't be the occasional girl who's got a thing for short men or bald men or fat men, whatever.
bsutansalt 8y ago
This guy gets it. I'm ~5'6" and just weighed myself at 220lbs. I'm about 30lbs overweight, but my arms are approaching 18" around and every weekend I go out women either stare, comment on them, or help themselves to feeling them.
trpftw 8y ago
Can't really gain muscle as a short guy when you're on a diet trying to make the fat go away.
They are almost opposing goals. You wanna be thin and also get muscle. That's difficult without serious effort.
Hiimusog 8y ago
It doesn't need to be achieved in 1 month..cut first then bulk or vice versa.
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SgtTRP 8y ago
I am confused. Why do you have a Red Pill Gay Man badge? You are not equating gay males with real females, are you?
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Ask the mods for a custom badge and they'll hook you up asap
I got this badge thinking it'd be funny but it seems to only spark confusion
SgtTRP 8y ago
Yes, it's confusing.
There used to be some gay posters dispensing expert advice to bros. Since I brought this up, I would like to underline this again; taking advice from gay men is worse than taking advice from women. At least we can dissect the advice women give and perhaps gain valuable insight.
Anyway, cheers.
EpicLevelCheater 8y ago
Flair is earned. You don't get it by asking, so don't ask us.
RedPill115 8y ago
There's 2 things about being tall (I'm fairly tall, I've watched what happens on my own social scene):
1. You get shit tested a lot more. Pass them, and you get the hottest women, but don't know what's going on and you can easily never figure it out.
2. You get approached by a LOT of girls who are not interested in having sex with you. Or...anyone. The tallest guy in the room has a collection of girls following him around who want to like sex, but just...don't. A decade later and the girls are still single, and puzzled that "it" (meaning sexual desire for someone) hasn't happened yet. That doesn't sound so bad right? But these girls will try to keep you single - scaring away other girls, dominating your time, trying to turn you into every girls friendzone. They don't even know they're doing it - they want to make you into a sexless boyfriend. It's very weird.
It's like this - if you're in the middle and don't stand out, a girl only gets so much out of turning you down. The validation she's seeking doesn't go that far for turning down middle of the road guys. But if you're "the guy girls are always talking to", then she gets a huge validation boost by turning you down. If turning you down gets her a bigger kick than sleeping with you, she'll turn you down.
WhiteTrashKiller 8y ago
You guys are funny..... The height rejection comments from girls are shit tests. It is the first and most easiest to play to see if it breaks your frame. Granted you shouldn't be gaming a 5'10" woman when you're 5'7, but I can't say I haven't tried it. And yes to reiterate, there are those that will just not be attracted to a shorter guy, but there is no reason you cannot bag women of your same height within an inch or so. Here's a prescription to fix your height disadvantage.
If this doesn't work for you, make number 4 number 1 and reevaluate. Cast a wide net and the fish will be yours.
The easiest comeback for a height shit test is their weight or ass. IE
Her- "Sorry I don't date short guys" "That's ok I usually don't fuck chunky girls, but hey we all have flaws right" with a wink and politely excuse yourself and game the next hottest girl you see..... Cocky OI goes a long way......
Don't say it in a butthurt manner cause then you'll look even smaller.......
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Don't listen to this bullshit. All you short guys out there, grab your fucking balls and go after that tall girl.
trpftw 8y ago
Easier said than done.
Achieving just the 10% BF and you won't need as much game.
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Mr_Donnerhuhn 8y ago
"Granted you shouldn't be gaming a 5'10" woman when you're 5'7"
Why?
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Cause it's hard as shit. You could be landing a 5'6 HB8 with much less effort then a 5'10 HB8
I suppose if you want to put yourself through more shit tests, or if you have a thing for tall women. Being taller just makes gaming a girl easier
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This comment is just oozing weakness. Cause it's hard, so that's why we should avoid it?! What the fuck kind of message are you sending the young brothers here?
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I'm being realistic.
Are you here to get laid or not?
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Not in my experience, tall girls are easier because most guys shorter than they are won't approach. Tall guys want the tiny girls, so there is a sweet spot between 5'7 and 6' girls who will fuck a man with game who is shorter than she is.
I've done it rather often. My fans makes then think I'm taler than I am, and most girls assume I'm 6' when they meet me in person and are drawn into my frame. Fuck I'm only 5'8, but I'm intimidating as hell.
Mr_Donnerhuhn 8y ago
Reasonable enough. Though seems a bit more aligned with TRP to be approaching the tall ones in spite of ones vertical challenges.
I guess I just took issue, as a manlet (5'6") myself, with your phrasing of you "should not" approach taller girls as a blanket statement of finality as opposed to a discourse on just the challenges that arrive form the reality of the situation
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draquish 8y ago
5'7'' here. Broke. Tallashell gf.
Quit yer bitchin'
bsutansalt 8y ago
I'm 5'6"ish and my last 3 mains were between 5'7" and 5'10", and all wore heals when we went out now and then, and in some cases putting them over 6' tall. They all felt funny about it at first, but I was quickly able to control the frame and still manhandle them due to my physical build. THAT is what really matters, frame control and being able to caveman them and trigger those emotions that come naturally from guys who are taller. I'm 39 and my main is about 5'8"ish and 23 years old and the most petite woman I can remember being with.
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draquish 8y ago
If you don't mind standing on your tippietoes from time to time, you can accommodate. None of that 'kneeling while doggiestyle on the bed' stuff. I probably look like a midget, lol
trpftw 8y ago
It's NOTTTTT that being short = no chance.
IT MEANS YOU HAVE A MUCH LOWER CHANCE than the 6 foot guy.
6'2" friend... engaged. 6'4" friend married. 5 foot friends? Not a single girl.
Game? What game? These men have ZERO game.
Muscle building? Easier for taller men, tend to already have the genetics for it. Fat loss? Easier for taller men, they can carry more fat and seem thinner.
less than 6' guy here, and I've scored very hot women..... 10/10s in fact, ah too bad that these bitches sometimes need to be replaced and fired.
It's not impossible... It's lower probability.
imjgaltstill 8y ago
Exponentially lower. Imagine the game at 5'2.
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trpftw 8y ago
That's why I'm dieting and losing fat instead of trying to build muscle which is excruciatingly slow anyway.
verify_account 8y ago
20 lbs of muscles looks way better on the 5'6" guy then it does on the 6'4" guy.
trpftw 8y ago
And how many years would that take without steroids?
Incubus130 8y ago
Depends. Pure muscle vs Muscle and fat. Are you crazy bulking like gomad or slowly bulking. A beginner on a slow bulk could maybe do it in a year and some change with excellent nutrition. Now if were talking walking black-hole status (A.K.A. give no fucks about fat gain) maybe quicker.
Again assuming your a beginner.
trpftw 8y ago
Not a beginner, i have some base muscle. But I've been working out for 2-3 years. But sometimes my frequency in the gym slows down but I always go to the gym at least once or twice a week even during my worst times.
But my diet is not super clean sometimes. However, I'm almost always eating at a deficit other than say a "weekend restaurant" thing that happens and that day is not a deficit but a surplus.
stawek 8y ago
If you were always eating at a deficit you'd starve already.
Incubus130 8y ago
Do you know what cutting is... like what... I've been in deficit for like 6 months...
trpftw 8y ago
It's inconsistent diet yes, so sometimes I surplus.
But the point is I'm always eating deficits and sub-2000 calories.
Thus I stay at a maintenance weight, matching my maintenance metabolism and workout style.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
I wonder. I'm 5'10 and with shoes I'm close to 6'0. Women suck at judging height. So I'm stuck in the middle by what your saying, what does that mean?
Remember that women approach height in a couple of ways. If you are taller than them and by how much. And if you are taller then other men in their social enviorment and by how much.
trpftw 8y ago
5'10-6'0 u're pretty good. I wouldn't worry about height after you get to this height.
Being around 5'8", 5'7, 5'9, these are areas where you start getting on rejection lists. But usually only by tall women.
Once you're in the 5'6, 5'5, 5'4 area, you start seeing a ton of rejections because you will likely be shorter or equivalent height to MOST average women.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
I see your point. Still aren't allot of factors of importance? For example, depending how well your spine stays decompressed, your posture, shoe soles.
Not to mention how the entitlement of women plays into it. I know 5'6 tall women who dated 6'10 giants. What are your thoughts on that. Aren't these women ruined for shorter men?
And yes, beta bux doesn't have to be tall but who cares about him.
trpftw 8y ago
You don't want entitled women. It's good that they filter you. because you would have filtered them either way.
6'10 giants are extremely rare, so there's no worry about giant-competition.
You gotta worry more about the 6'0 to 6'4 competition.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Still hard to wrap my head around that one. I always figured 'taller than her' would suffice. Being medium sized and all.
trpftw 8y ago
It does suffice usually.
It might be similar to like, if a girl approached you and asked you out on a date... and she looks pretty decent and beautiful, nice face, decent clothes.
Then another girl approached you and also asked you out that same night, but this girl had E cup boobs and sexy dress, with long thick blond hair, and excellent make-up.
95% of guys will choose the latter.
It's probably the same with such women. They see a really tall guy and they want him first priority. second priority is you.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Good point.
Length is one factor and we're talking 3-7cms usually. Giant competition aside of course. I like a girl with a great ass but it's not my ONLY attraction factor. The girl who's better all around wins over the one who only has one quality. Wouldn't the same be true for height?
Granted you're taller than her by a comfortable margin that is.
(Funny side note: A girl I once knew was around 168 cms. And still thought she was as tall as me)
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opantinux 8y ago
Your height is you. Your money, looks, dick size, intelligence, etc.. That's you. And all of those things do affect attraction.
You can't really argue against it either. There have been studies showing women significantly prefer taller men. Even if the shorter men are millionaires and the tall men are poor. TRP is about facts, and the fact is, you have less of a chance with a woman if you're short.
Yes, a short guy can make-up for his height deficiency, but the problem is still there. And it just so happens that height is one of the most important aspects of a man when a woman is analyzing him. It sucks but it's true. You're 6'2", which is pretty much the ideal height for woman of all heights.. And you yourself claim to not be getting sex (despite also implying to be banging "fun sized" girls.. Which is it?), so really why should anyone listen to a man unable to attract women with the biggest advantage a man can have - height? (And also having good hair, cloths, and frame)
I always tell very short guys to be stoic about their height. They can't change it, but they can accept the reality. A 5' male will never make a woman so wet she's in a daze... But that doesn't mean he can't have sex with them fairly easily with the right attributes.
This post overall seems like feel-good crap. A man shouldn't forget/ignore his shortcomings, rather he should either fix them, or make-up for them somehow. And yeah, maybe there is a certain midget named Tyrion out there getting more poon than he can handle, but since when are outliers proof of anything?
Redasshole 8y ago
Im short. I have a height deficiency, as you said. I know its a disadvantage in regard to women. I have zero problem with my height. In fact, I love it, its the best. Bitches? Who cares that much about them anyway
True_Stock_Canadian 8y ago
I'm 6'3" and there are 5'6" guys I know who have dated plenty of girls. It just so happens that these guys are the ones I wouldn't want to get in a fight with. Bald, stocky, muscular types who you wouldn't think of talking down to.
laere 8y ago
Life is all about identifying your strengths and weaknesses. Then, you strengthen your strengths even further, and work on your weaknesses if possible.
In this case, height, if you're short you can't automatically grow taller outside of surgery. So, you have to work with your strengths to the best of your ability, like your friends do.
-rubashov 8y ago
The problem with posts such as yours is they are more appropriate for posters past the anger and bargaining stages.
Everything you say is correct however telling a new to TRP anger stage poster that fixed genetic determinism plays a part in your overall life success is counter productive.
An argument can be made they should 'suck it up buttercup'. Perhaps. I would suggest that there are stages to RP understanding and this should come later.
On a lighter note height is one of the few attributes which cannot be improved with hard work. For anyone who has maxed out their other attributes height becomes irrelevant.
opantinux 8y ago
So the problem with my post is I don't lie just to spare some feelings? Pandering to men in the anger phase is totally antithetical to TRP, and shouldn't be done.
As for your last point, that's simply incorrect. Height never becomes irrelevant. However if as you say you 'max out' other things about you that affects attraction, you'll certainly be able to attract women easily. I never said that being short meant being doomed to inceldom. But there will always be a large percentage of women who will never consider you if you're short. And to clarify, when I say short I'm talking 5'3" and below, or being shorter than the female average. But again, that doesn't mean they can't attract women. The one and only point I'm refuting in this thread is that height matters. Saying it doesn't only hurts short men.
-rubashov 8y ago
I didn't say anything about sparing feelings. A simple caveat of 'for best practical results ignore height' would suffice. Rereading I shouldn't have used the word 'problem' per se.
This sub is mostly full of anger stage users and I for one try to tailor my comments for their benefit. You might think otherwise. Fair enough.
The rest we are essentially saying the same things.
An interesting thought experiment for me to ponder however. Suppose there was a SuperChad who had maxxed out every possible attribute. Is such a thing possible in real life? Or are there alpha attributes that by their very nature cause weakness in other alpha attributes. I would say not.
opantinux 8y ago
Well, if you change your comments to account for anger phase, that really is sparing feelings. We simply have different opinions on what works. I think it's best for anger phase men to accept reality. I can also see how easing them into would be good, too. I guess it all depends on the person.
As for superchads.. I'd say certain 'maxxed out' alphas do have their weaknesses, especially the natural ones. In the same way 10/10 women don't need to develop themselves, neither do 10/10 men. If you look at the greatest men/women of all time, they all have not been ideal, and have suffered in their lives. Through suffering comes strength. Hence, being 100% perfect is a weakness, in a way.
Born2Ball 8y ago
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opantinux 8y ago
I said he was implying it, which he was.
The guy he was replying to said: "I hate to see guys above 6' with short girls"... OP responded with, "you'd hate me, I love short girls".
Born2Ball 8y ago
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StupidStrong 8y ago
Heh, reminds me of a friend suffering from the opposite: 6'3, good-looking, and REALLY fucking proud of his game, which is actually nonexistent. Girls approach him left and right, and he only has to not fuck up. Whenever I try to gently point it out to him, he goes "Oh it has nothing to do with how I look, bro. You can help yourself, too, by looking up Double Your Dating dot com." Oh, for fuck's sake.
bsutansalt 8y ago
That's called being a natural. Most guys who many would declare are good pickup artists aren't actually that good at picking up women in the sense of making women interested who either actively dislike them or don't have an opinion one way or another. What most are actually good at is playing the numbers game and capitalizing on women who are already naturally interested in them for one reason or another. THIS is why raising your SMV as high as possible is so important. it makes that many women naturally attracted so you have more women that are into you to select from.
ThrowyMcGruder 8y ago
Not necessarily.
I'm lifelong friends with a guy who was skinny as a rake in school and little taller than me. I peaked at 5"8.
While he had no luck with women whatsoever, I was doing just fine. Lost my virginity at 15. Had a plenty of flings with others.
Started going out with a girl that half the guys I knew insisted was the hottest girl in school. Eventually broke up with her and got the girl that the other half of the guys insisted was the hottest in school. I was doing OK.
At 17 years of age, he shot up to 6"3 and put on a little muscle.
Sweet Jesus did he turn heads. The fucker could turn all of the panties in a room wet just by walking into it.
But he was useless. He was awkward around people and instead of looking stupid he kind of became arrogant and made women think he was a dickhead.
I've never seen women go from dry to drenched to dry so god damned fast.
In our 20s I was mainly out pulling tourist girls while he worked out and played video games, avoiding women.
He finally swallowed his pride and asked me for tips.
I gave him some basic tips and pointed out the hottest girl I could find, bet him a tenner that, if she was single, she'd go out with him if he asked, and he did.
They're married now.
She's a model.
The dude was totally on easy mode and, while my height didn't stop me, I worked for it by being funny and flirty.
StupidStrong 8y ago
I've met some PUA guys over the years, and the good ones were actually very good, really impressive to watch in action. I also know a few guys who've had no exposure to PUA stuff whatsoever, but are almost as good, doing all the right things out of the same playbook, I guess because they picked it up from their dad growing up or subconsciously figured it out on their own. Anyway, I'd call those guys natural.
Not my tall good-looking buddy though, he still fucks it up the vast majority of the time by opening his mouth. He just really likes to credit every victory to his mad skillz.
Transmigratory 8y ago
Tall guys don't realise how height helps. Short guys know how it defo helps. Average guys know yet dunno since they're the standard (short and tall being marked deviations from the standard).
Game is important no doubt and factors like looks, race, height etc shouldn't be harped on just because you refuse to look at your game/pitch/sales tactic etc.
However we can't pretend factors like height don't matter. Assuming two guys are perfectly the same in every way except one is taller. The taller one will do better. Plus when women think of their ideal hunk, a tall guy tends to fit the bill.
That said things are never all equal, we're all different. Sometimes, like in sales, you won't make the sale because the customer just isn't interested in what you have to offer (possibly because of your height). Or it was because of your piss poor pitch.
That said, pick up is probably easier than sales tbh.
Cenki 8y ago
Most of the time your unchangable attributes arent too bad, but time and time again I wear a hat and switch to bald mode and even the same people who know me well and even KNOW i'm bald while hatted, will switch into disgusting uncanny personalities when dealing with me. Being bald is a mega uphill battle, and having gone completely bald before 17 this test ive tried tons just to see. Its a shame I can't do this test with tallness/shortness though. I sit at a typical height, so I never thought about it.
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I've said it before and I will say it again.
If you are tall, not fat, and ok financially (not even balling, just ok) then you literally have to talk girls out of fucking you.
They come up DTF, whatever you are doing your game is so bad that you are talking them out of fucking you.
Short guys (under 6ft) have to talk girls into fucking them. Their game has to be tight enough to where they can convince girls that their handicap doesn't matter.
I am just about average height. Occasionally though I find myself being one of the tallest males in the room. I notice it most when I wear some work boots that add like 2 inches to my stature. Shit changes. Girls treat you different. Dudes treat you different. I get the benefit of the doubt and all ties go to the tall/taller/tallest guy.
JimProfitLeninist 8y ago
The height thing is predominately a western trait. Foreign girls are not fucking retards and know that the average height is around 5'6 and under, even for men.
Women get away with this bullshit in the West because like every other time, men put up with it. Men try to jump those hoops of "I only date tall guys". For women it's a game about how much you'll put up with, and you're putting up with shit before you even gotten to bed with her? No... I don't. I'm legally in the running for a midget, and when some woman lays that tripe on me, (and I mean they get stupid about it. Like they wonder how I physically have had sex. I'm just short you stupid cunt, not inept.) I tell them one of two things.
1: How nobody but Western women give two shits about height so maybe she should educate herself and stop being an ignoramus if she's going to "co-exist" and "respect other people's cultures."
2: I could just cut her legs off with an axe. Then she could have that Fifty Shades of GAY fantasy about "looking up at my man". Or she can shut the fuck up. The choice is hers.
Yeah, that's not A-game to get you laid, but it is A-game to make her feel like shit and go run off to eat a pint of icecream. Which if you ask me is far more valuable. I might technically be heterosexual, but I fucking hate women and love making them feel bad and bullying them. And what I lack in height I make up for in an enormous Napoleon Complex.
MajorMid 8y ago
I feel like the height shit is just overstated online. I don't know if it's cause men lie about their heights or what.
But I'm 5'9 and I don't think I've ever been called short but it's made me self conscious between all the shit I read on the internet and plus a recent date (who I banged multiple times) said she was expecting me to be taller cause I looked really tall in pictures.
I'd say I'm taller than about 40% of the guys I see on a daily basis here in the states. Feel pretty average. Aside from the recent self consciousness I don't feel my height is a disadvantage. Not an advantage but not necessarily bad either. That said I can't talk for guys who are on the shorter end of short. So I don't know how overstated these things are for them.
Born2Ball 8y ago
Trump 2020! Keep America Great!!!!
Incubus130 8y ago
I'm 5'5 your not short.
Idioticaz 8y ago
I only half agree with you. Im 5'7" and have grown up with women around me all my life. My best friend until I was about 15 was a girl so I have never been shy or weird around women. I am good looking, confident, go to the gym 5 or 6 times a week, ambitious, good job with decent pay. However I struggle in the dating department as I am apparently not tall enough, how do I know this? Girls have told me this... and i'm not talking about girls taller than me. I am talking about girl a few inches shorter than I am.
Unless you've walked in my shoes, don't tell me its my game, that shit is tight, every girl thinks she deserves a 6'2" Ryan Gosling.
But don't get me wrong, I do okay... I just dont do as well as my mates who are over 6' and barely have any game.
On a side note - I hate seeing a guy over 6' with a girl under 5'5". Mofo that is my territory, what you got a small d!ck or something? haha /sarcasm
Born2Ball 8y ago
There will always be that 5% of girls who won't date you for one reason or another. Maybe it's height. Maybe you're not rich enough. Maybe you're not handsome enough. Maybe you don't have the job or education... Point is, don't let that extremely small minority of girls get you thinking that you're at a disadvantage. You might have several other advantages that some of those tall guys don't have. Not to mention, that height requirement is probably just a shit test anyways.
JGTD 8y ago
because its a shit test and you fail it every time because you believe it. Ever thought of firing back with "your too tall"
Troll_Name 8y ago
Thanks for saying that. After swimming through probably ten thousand comments on the subject, I'd say you're the first person who puts it into words which actually mean something.
If a woman tells me I'm too short, thought crossed me just now, I'd say something to the effect of: well I hope you don't preach that EVERYONE ELSE not discriminate (softly with a smile,) and then I'd force myself to start noticing anyone else cute who might be in the area. And I'll proceed to not give a fuck if she immediately strikes up a conversation with some other dude, because I'm adorable and I lift and I treadmill with maxed out incline.
Thanks for making me feel good; haven't been able to do a thing this entire day but now I've got some motivation back in me to go exercise.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Women will always say something whether it is true or not. It's called excuses. She can't straight up say what is on her mind without being pressured into tears. There's something else about you turning her off from you.
I completely agree. Have you ever read Tucker Max? He makes a point about fucking virgins: they want an older experience guy who knows what he's doing. And yet Tucker is sitting there dumbfounded like what gives her the right to make those demands? She's a virgin who had to seek out a man-whore she has no place to make those demands.
You'd hate me. I love "fun-size" girls.
opantinux 8y ago
Why do you assume this? It's very reasonable to assume a woman will reject someone due to their height. You're implying woman don't consider height whatsoever, which is false.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Because attraction is non-negotiable. If a woman gets turned on by a 5'7 because of his attitude and the way he carries himself, she'll forget all about his height.
Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
What I've started to notice is that at a certain point, in the minds of women, muscles start to outweigh height on the tingles scale. Sure, a lot of women want their 6'6" muscled demi-god who descended from the heavens just to swoop her off of her feet... But there's plenty of women who prefer a shorter dude who clearly lifts versus some barebones 6'2" guy.
I'm 5'10", which is "average" for men; and height has never been a problem as most women are shorter than me.
Also, the imagery here is uncanny:
Incubus130 8y ago
You not really short bro. Average isn't bad.
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flat6turbo 8y ago
i'm 5'10-5'11 depending on footwear.
average basically neutralizes the issue, it's never been a problem, but i've never had an advantage either.
what i've noticed is that at my average height, women think you're tall when your game is tight, and short when your game sucks. which makes perfect sense if you know anything at all about the female psyche.
during my pua phase the first time i was was called both 'tall' and 'short' in the same week a lot of things clicked for me. objectively nothing had fucking changed! it was all in feelings and perception for the women.
one thing i will say is that when i wear dress shoes or nice casual shoes with a heel, i definitely feel that extra height. it does have a psychological effect on me so when i'm going out i make sure to wear them.
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Height is very relevant. I am 6'2" also and girls always say "I love that you are tall". Before I discovered game Inwas invisible to girls so you are right that game is crucial. However height really helps, no denying it. Status, muscles, money and dick size are all relevant but you still need game.
Red pill can help everything except height and dick size so it is very important that we work out, learn game and focus on our mission. No point pretending height doesnt help, it does. My friend and I unknowingly dated the same girl. He is 5'6" rich, ripped, but no game. She is an easy HB 8. I slept with her, he didnt. She told me it was purely because of his height, she wont sleep with any guy under 6'. Lots of girls have similar rules. Sad but true, so height definitely counts and so does game.
Daniel_Lugo 8y ago
That's a shit test. Women's actions > words. I have banged chicks who prior said they wouldn't get involved with a short dude. I'm 5'5.
I suppose there are some women who won't but It's never been an issue for me
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If you don't know how to interact with women, it doesn't matter how good you look, you won't be getting any pussy. If you do, it's pure luck. I've been a pretty boy since I hit puberty. Always dressed well, always had my hair done, was blessed enough to have a really handsome face. I would need about four hands to count the number of girls that showed real interest in me from then all the way into early adulthood, but I fucked almost none of them because I had no game.
Just being attractive is half the battle. You'll get women noticing you and wanting to fuck you, but if you don't know what to do after you have their attention, you're outta luck.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Exactly. As a tall dude with good looks this is how it has always been. You don't know girls were giving you more attention nor did you know how they were treating you differently to know what powers were at play. The sky was blue, this is how it always was!
Bingo. I lay awake thinking of all the opportunities I've missed in hindsight. You feel like a real fool who doesn't deserve a penis.
Exactly. The odds are in your favor. You get lucky but you never knew how to take it anywhere and when you finally wise up, everyone is miles ahead of you.
oolevityoo 8y ago
IDK about this, I reckon there's in most cases a +/- 2" difference between couples I see every day. Also, 5'7" or 8" is probably fine for any girl which is 5'7" or 8" without heels, which is most of them. But I'd say it gets sorta exponentially worse as you get below 5'5" (or something like average girl height), so when you're 5'4" (like me) or below, height does explicitly become a major dealbreaker for girls. It probably can be compensated in many cases for by muscle/money/status/power, but it's more of an uphill struggle than for a regular guy and I guess that's what's moan-worthy. I mean, why else would dating profiles mainly list just their age and height? But then again, there's Jamie Cullum and Sophie Dahl (become a famous musician and you might stand a chance...)
nicechallenge 8y ago
Imo you have to take a sales approach, game is the way you sell the product or the how and your body is the actual product or what are you selling. Both are crucial for being succesful in the sale process. Obviously having a quality product will make everything easier.
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afroose 8y ago
Hey we are on TRP, stop saying nice stuff all members should be ok with the harsh truth. I don't know who you are trying to trick here.
It's 1 small guy on 50, it's like saying: somewhere out there a 6,2 guy with a trendy haircut, well spoken with some muscle doesn't get girls, so all the 6,2 guys can't get girls. It's 1 tall guy on 50.
because you don't get laid doesn't mean height is nothing it only mean that if you hadn't height it would be a lot harder for you.
Sir_Distic 8y ago
5'6" It'll take more work to get the higher percent girls than if I was 6'4". But it CAN be done.
I've never let my height define me or determine my successes. Nor should you. It's something you can't change.
bsutansalt 8y ago
Yes and no. If you were that height and jacked then being that height won't matter. I'm living proof that muscularity adequately compensates for height. On the flip side of the equation are guys who are 6'4" and 400lbs of chewed up bubble gum who would tell you how short guys who are jacked have it so much better. You see how that works?
Sir_Distic 8y ago
That's my point. It'll take more work at my height then a guy who's 6'4" and decent shape. Obviously being 5'6" is less of a disadvantage then being any height and being 400lbs.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
I've had guys tell me, "If I looked like you, I would be getting grade A pussy."
I'm not tall, but I am attractive. While my height (5'6) puts my at a slight disadvantage, it is not, entirely a limitation. It is my limiting belief that my height stops me.
With some women, height is an issue. That's why I go for tall women. Fuckin Amazons, I like callin em that. They're so much more interested when they've got no choice. Because most guys are shorter than they are.
Anyway, if women don't like short guys, if your game is strong, you can always turn it around. I brought up the fact that I'm attractive to say that, while most women eye fucked me, I did not possess enough game to make them stay.
You can attractive, and still lose the bitch. Just like how you can be America, and still lose Vietnam (burn).
CallMyBS 8y ago
5'6 here, and you're right. Does height help? Sure, it absolutely fucking does, so does money, style, being white, etc. No amount of bitching will change that. However, 90% of it is game, and honestly, if you're unsuccessful, it's your fault.
bsutansalt 8y ago
And half of that is the women naturally being interested in you and you not putting your foot in your mouth. The other half is actual "game" such as reading women's iterest, reciprocating IOIs, not rewarding IODs, etc.
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vengefully_yours 8y ago
We can make up for being short to some extent, I've done it, but put me next to a 6'2 dude built just like me and they won't notice me until my superior game sins through. Most of my friends are taller than I am, I've watched it happen with them around and expect it now. It's easy for them, so they don't develop much game, that's how I make up for it, muscle and game. The girls always gawk at then first, then are often blown away by my charm and game.
The big difference is I had to work to get the game and to build the muscle, there was no easy way for me. I was the shortest man in my class by at least three inches, so I had to learn how to talk to them.
CallMyBS 8y ago
Ok, you got me with the %. Some will blacklist you, but honestly, it's pretty hard for everyone.
trpftw 8y ago
It's hard for everyone but much harder in proportion to your shortness.
It's like a formula. Height matters a lot for women.
Scientists even say it even makes a huge difference in getting promoted or getting salary raises. You can't make that up.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
I guess you would say, he called your BS. (ba dum tss)
CallMyBS 8y ago
hahaha, you joke but honestly, this is kinda where the name came from. I tried several usernames that sent the message "yo, if I'm talking out of my ass, don't let me get away with it." and this was the best I could do.
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Incubus130 8y ago
Well what's you advice? Give up? This all sounds pretty hopeless. Either way Im going to continue to improve. Don't care if every chick turns me down.
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TheBloodEagleX 8y ago
Yup, that's the harsh part. Nobody really ultimately cares. If you feel weak, helpless, upset, etc, it's just on you and you're just hurting yourself, not just out in the world but mentally. It's exhausting to constantly reaffirm negativity.
EmDeeEx14 8y ago
5'6, as a minority, pulling poon. Fuck your pity party. Get out and better yourself. All I see is "numbers show its harder" Numbers lie, my friend.
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EmDeeEx14 8y ago
If you say so my friend, our truths seem to differ. My best wishes
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
Being white is like free money. Especially in Asian countries. Indians, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean women will die for white dick if the offer presented itself to them.
I've always lamented this because, I've always found Korean women attractive. No fucking clue why though.
Edit: the Asian girl from Captain Planet might have had something to do with it.
Chinzon 8y ago
As a. 5'7 Hispanic guy that's into Korean girls, I have to say I share your pain. It sucks, but no matter what the difficulty is, I've learned it's better to suck it up and take out my anger on the gym iron. . Fuck what the world thinks, I'm going to work my ass off and make jaws drop one way or another.
opantinux 8y ago
If it makes you feel any better, Korean women make use of plastic surgery more than any other ethnicity in the world - combined. Korean girls aren't as European (in terms of facial structure) as they seem. Virtually every single attractive Korean girl you'll see has had surgery. All the k-pop stars that everyone loves have had extensive surgery.. There are some scary before/after pictures.
The men are just as bad. That entire country is shooting itself in the foot in terms of attractive genetics. Surgery doesn't fix genetics, unfortunately, and the extremely ugly people are breeding when they normally wouldn't.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
I understand they get that double eye lid surgery. The slant of their eyes of their eyes of is the best part.
dxfifa 8y ago
I saw the comments you're addressing and I made similar points on that thread. Good quality post.