Summary: Guy in relationships subreddit has an alpha buddy who gets girls effortlessly. Instead of being happy in his friend's success and maybe learning a thing or two from it, he wants to put a stop to it. Of course, he claims it's out of concern for the women involved. It's totally not jealousy. Totally.
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So I have been best friends with Mike for 12 years. We have been through everything together and I truly could not live without him. He is a kind, generous and an all around great guy except for one glaring problem. He treats girls terribly. He cheats on his girlfriends, and when he's single, he has no boundaries with girls and is creepy.
Of course, in this case "creepy" and "has no boundaries" probably translates to "he's got boatloads of confidence, he openly shows sexual interest in women, and he escalates physically." Guys like Chad really should learn that the proper way to court a woman is to become friends with her first and hope that it gradually evolves into a relationship. /s
He is currently in a relationship now and this does not stop him from acting as though he's single. It is so frustrating because he's been getting away with it with no repercussions. He's good looking and charming and he can talk his way out of any situation.
The sentence I bolded is what convinces me that the guy who submitted the thread is driven by jealousy rather than concerns over the treatment by women. It must be driving him crazy that his buddy is spinning plates and getting tons of female attention when he gets so little.
And, of course, the comments section is full of people telling OP he needs to stop being friends with his alpha buddy. Because the relationships subreddit has always hated guys who are successful at getting women into bed and have no desire to settle down for just one.
Lesson Learned: Be careful if you've got friends who are bluepillers/white knights. If you're successful at seducing women, they may become resentful of you and seek to cockblock you.
ChildOfTheLostTribes 8y ago
His friend is Homer and he's Frank Grimes.
Crotch_Snorkel 8y ago
I matched with a chick on Tinder who I had never met but my BP friend had met weeks prior. I was going to a bar with him and I said "Hey there is a Tinder chick going to this same bar, so if nothing else we can chat her and her friends up." He asks for me to show him a picture and he immediately turns white. He's like "She's on Tinder?"... I said "I guess... I dunno I've never met her, why?.. do you know her?" He had been crushing on this chick apparently for weeks and she was not interested in him.
We go to the bar, and the entire time we are there he starts orbiting her, as a way to mark his territory?... I don't know.... Long story short he orbited her all the way to after hours, where I said "Nah I'm gonna go home (which pissed this chick off because I would rather go home alone than hang out with her at after hours)...The next day she texts me early in the morning informing me that my BP friend talked endless shit about me about how "He's (me) only going to treat you like a Tinder broad," that I only want sex etc etc etc... Turns out if you tell a girl shitty things about guys... it makes them want them more... I'm not mad at my buddy, mostly because I get where he's coming from and simply put he doesn't get it.... but also because his shit talking was the best wing man I could have asked for... she's been my orbiter ever since. The dude in OP's story doesn't realize his jealousy is only making girls more attracted to Chad.
Redpillc0re 8y ago
jealous prick. it's him who is the bad friend.
alisonstone 8y ago
Odds are, Chad doesn't actually "cheat" either, it is mutually understood between the parties that it is casual. The beta is actually a misogynist who thinks that women are infant-like in nature and do not have agency to choose to have casual relationships if they wish. Does he really think that girls don't talk to each other, that they haven't seen Instagram photos of Chad with other girls, or that they don't know his reputation?
The truth is that good looks, alpha qualities, intelligence, wealth, high moral character, ... pretty much all the good qualities are strongly correlated with each other. Betas have an incredible ability to distort reality in their minds to rationalize that they are the heroes in the story. Because of this, they are capable of betrayal and treachery, even towards their best friends or family. Taken to the extreme, you get the broken logic of school shooters who are trying to get back at the "evil" Chads of the world, when in reality the Chads are probably people of the highest character.
raceAround126 8y ago
One of my mates growing up was a pure alpha. He had always been successful with women and really he was similar to this OPs story. He would behave like he was single even when he wasn't, he would have witty comebacks, he was definitely a genetic lottery winner.
Instead of disliking this, I always semi admired that he was just so quick with it. He was definitely an influence in me learning more social skills.
Sadly, he ended up married and fat, but there you go. I guess you can't win em all.
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sir_wankalot_here 8y ago
The same thing that goes through guy's heads here when they post crap like I have a friend who is marrying a whore. How can I help him ?
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mods this guy was mean to me before, can u kill him pls?
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NiftyDolphin 8y ago
I flipped the genders and laughed.
BlueFreedom420 8y ago
Almost became that kind of friend. When I was really young I hated how men treated women, because I never had a real father.
One of the good indicators of this behavior is if your friend doesn't have a father or a has a step father.
WhiteKnightFgt 8y ago
Love this, logged in just to upvote it.
I have gotten resentful vibes from my plugged in friends when they see how many girls I go through. I don't think it has a thing to do with how I treat them. Just that I'm always showing up with someone new. I suspect envy.
That said, I have some great "BP" friends who think it's awesome, and come to me with related questions.
Manmore 8y ago
I think a lot of this shit comes from the fact that men are clueless to what attracts women, and if every guy is clueless, there's no one to teach the young ones (at least not the truth).
In this soft, superficial, feminized world it's easy to draw the conclusion that the way you look is all that matters (and that talking about your feelings is a way to connect with a woman).
Thus, you're either born into success or failure. There's no way to change that. From this comes the realization that game/trp/self improvement/whatever is manipulation, cheating.
Of course this guy is jealous. Had he believed what we believe he would have worked on himself instead of trying to sabotage his friends life.
WarriorInRed 8y ago
What bothers me is I'm fairly certain my current best friend is exactly what I'm fearing, a deep BPer like the guy in this post. I introduced him to Red Pill Theory Lite, got him lifting, chatting up women and actively approaching for dates rather than being an emotionally driven cuck, but he still holds some BP beliefs and I think the kid might be too far down the hole to recover.
epixs 8y ago
I got a friend like this who gets waaay more girls then me except he isint even that good looking. I look at him in admiration and hope I can learn some of his skills. I remember back in my blue pill days I would be jeleous, but now I just view it as an opportunity to learn. He's just really fun to be around and he tells me that girls literally fuck him because he's not afraid to be himself and he never shows weakness. Guy doesn't even know about rp, just learnt from his own failures and experiences .
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
I know a guy who is a musician in a fairly popular rock band. He's in his 40s, and his girlfriend is a very hot blonde in her mid-20s. I'm not jealous or resentful of him for it, instead I think things like "Damn, I hope I'm bagging girls that hot when I'm his age!"
Which reminds me, I really need to get back in the habit of practicing guitar every day. I've kinda been slacking off over the last few weeks...
SpongeBoobSquareTits 8y ago
The more content I absorb from this sub the more I realize how interconnected every principle of TRP is. You cannot understand an individual concept like AWALT or "abundance mentality" without understanding the larger context everything operates in. It's a holistic learning experience.
I think one reason you don't hold any resentment for your friend is that you subscribe to abundance mentality rather than oneitis. Why would you be jealous of his girl when you know there are plenty of similar ones out there? Don't destroy the man's Ferrari; improve yourself and buy your own...they're mass manufactured in a factory for gods sake. The other reason is that you acknowledge the game for what it is; he presumably displays alpha traits and that wins him the prize. A man with a healthy mindset seeks to emulate, not disintegrate. And this leads to the mention of how disgusting white knighting is. Betraying your brothers instead of learning from them or helping. It's a lose-lose for both parties. In the end, healthy relationships with your male friends leads to healthier relationships with your female counterparts.
americanmook 8y ago
You can get his scraps. Serves two great purposes. 1. See a master at work 2. Get residual pussy.
the_number_2 8y ago
That's the best thing about hanging around high-SMV guys, the girls they pull (usually groups) think you must be high-SMV to be hanging around that guy, so you get a nice temporary boost (just don't blow it).
exit_sandman 8y ago
Here, dear sirs, you notice between the lines a textbook case of the "covert contract".
The guy who wrote the post OP quoted has a friend who behaves like an asshole to women, yet still doesn't get punished by a removal of attention (like feminism and women's magazines say it would be). The guy on the other hand most probably insists on taking the high road - whether it's internalized morals or lack of confidence doesn't matter, the ultimate outcome is that he's convinced that him behaving "decently" should serve a purpose; or at least not let him be worse off than his asshole friend.
Gee, I wonder where all the guys get the idea from that personal decency should correlate with success at dating /s
egm03 8y ago
Dude honestly what type of friend is one who wants their buddy to fail? That's no real friend, thats just some jealous loser pretending to be your boy. No one needs that.
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DO NOT be surprised by this. This is most of your friends who lack the success you have/will have. Chad here SHOULD in fact not be friends with such a snake. OOP will be the one who undercuts Chad the one chance he gets.
ValerianG 8y ago
I wouldn't say the dude is driven by jealousy although there could be some possible slight resentment in there for sure. The biggest thing that is sticking out from here is that the beta fella is simply brainwashed into the way females see "cheating" and is convinced that no man should be able to 'get away with cheating' Scott free and still end up having a relationship. When little does beta Bob know that in fact 'cheating' helps out your relationship significantly especially if done ritiously, not done because you want to get back at your girl but because you have a genuine desire for pussy other than your girl. Sure girls get jealous, but they see the dude to be higher value and therefore make them want him even more.
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kazcovic 8y ago
I thought Chads are tall, ripped with washboard abs. I'm 5'10'' and 68kg (150lb) and I'm average height with an average-skinny body who is average with the ladies.
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ithrax 8y ago
Confidence and dominance is more important as long as you're not abnormally unattractive.
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AbnormallyAverageGuy 8y ago
His post wreaks of envy. Needs to man the fuck up and do what alpha chad's doing instead of being a beta bitch.
mykonos_rm 8y ago
History's greatest traitors have always been vindictive Betas.
RedDeadlift 8y ago
To me, this is creepy. This beta can't live without his friend, but he wants to sabotage his friend's success with women. Hilarious.
laere 8y ago
Cognitive dissonance is one of the white knights most grueling tools.
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I have very close friends, known for years, I would be very sad if they died or were somehow taken away from my life.
but I wouldn't say "I cannot live without him"
Chrience 8y ago
That shows he had some kind of wierd Friendship Oneitis for him, he didn't have any friends.
I bet what happened was that Chads women had promised him more , better friendship , and an implied chance to fuck them to boot, if he would just fuck him up.
It's just the way women work, shit test Chad by doing increasingly sadistic manipulative shit like this and secretly hope he has the super human awareness to just find out about it and put her back in her place.
Reworking 8y ago
I'm wondering if he's gay for the friend tbh.
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RichieFinn 8y ago
"Because if you cant better your own life, bring others who can down to your level" ....Pathetic.
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welcome to the liberal mindset
akrebsie 8y ago
You used quotation marks so I fixed it.
"Because if you cant better your own life, bring others who can down to your level" -Pathetic.
:-)
666Evo 8y ago
That's quite a large logical leap you have there! Congratulations!
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Indigo_Monkey 8y ago
LOL!
The game makes me laugh. It's like watching rats in a maze.
[deleted] 8y ago
LOL at this advice. That would moist her panties even more. And he could even turn the "humiliation" around and use him to make her even more moist.
seenoeval 8y ago
"We have been through everything together and I truly could not live without him. He is a kind, generous and an all around great guy"
I had a BP best friend for years, he was Indian, super skinny, could not get girls to save his life.
I did everything for him, broke my back trying to get him laid, help him better himself, defended him from bullies, got in fist fights for him, drove him around, took him shopping, helped him dress better.
I wasn't a dog back then, but seeing me get girls fairly easily enraged him. One girl I really REALLY liked, one of those rare ones who really convinces you they aren't part of AWALT, we met and started a thing that was pure heaven.
She suddenly got distant when everything had been going great. Started creating conflict with me out of nothing, giving me the cold shoulder where before I was Mr Perfect.
I came to find out months later he had been talking to her behind my back "warning her" that I was a scumbag, fucking all these other girls, always lying about everything. He prayed on her insecurity that I was too good to be true. Her friend I was still in touch with sent me transcripts of all the online chats, this was back in AOL instant messenger days....which some of you are probably way too young for.
To this day she is the one that got away. I know, I know, it's a silly way to think, and reality is the honeymoon would have worn out probably and we'd have broken up one way or another.
Christ, I might have married her, had a totally different life and lost it all in a divorce, maybe he saved me in the sick irony of it.
Even still, she was rarified air, and the fact that a person I loved so much, and would have taken a bullet for, could put a knife in my back like that, I'm still not over it 16 years later.
Lost a best friend, and to this day still the best girl I had ever met. Beware those BP friends, ESPECIALLY the ones you would never believe could do such a thing.
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I'm with ya man. My former best friend, as in the guy whose house I stayed at when I moved out of the house during my divorce, weekend paintball, d&d group, later on decided the gf I had was too good for me. Worked on her for months behind my back and eventually she left. Came back, left again, came back left again. To this day I still have problems trusting anyone, male or female.
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
Damn, that sucks. I can't believe your friend would backstab you like that after everything you did for him. I hope you at least confronted him about his betrayal after you saw the AIM chat logs.
strps 8y ago
Of course you can, you just linked a post describing this exactly. You cannot trust a thirsty man. They are not capable of friendship because they are fundamentally insecure.
seenoeval 8y ago
Actually I just dropped them all in his mailbox one day which was how I let him know that I knew, I changed my cell number that day.
He was a real pussy, he would never have the balls to come over and try and talk to me face to face, I knew that, and I was crushed so I didn't want to see him.
I had heard when people asked him about why I wasn't around anymore that he would go on and on about what an asshole I was and how he stopped talking to me.
I'll probably never know what his reaction was behind close doors. Knowing him, he probably cried for days about it, but then again, I guess I didn't really know him, it's possible he didn't give a fuck at all, sociopaths are like that.
bp-74 8y ago
Fucking brutal man. Holy shit. Makes me think about who I trust.
Soarinc 8y ago
"Trust half of what you see and none of what you hear."
Also my funny story is that I have 3 brothers and 2 of them have deeply betrayed my trust. I have picked 2 solid friends whom I've had for about 10 years and (as far as I know) they have been very loyal to me and I've been loyal to them.
Fafner2 8y ago
She is NOT the one that got away, and in some ways this is a blessing in disguise. If she was willing to treat your like shit over rumors that a spiteful friend started, she would've done even worse over less in the future, and that includes divorce rape if it went that far. If she was truly close to a unicorn she wouldn't have let gossip affect her relationship with you.
seenoeval 8y ago
She hadn't dated much before me and knew I had a lot of girlfriends. This friend of mine was perceived as totally trustworthy to her in fact I probably even told her multiple times what an unbelievable great guy he was probably trying to see if she had any friends for him (preferably blind ones)
She acted how she should have, given the evidence and how I carry myself, I could understand how she could be led to believe she was just some sick conquest of mine because she was so virginal.
I forced her hand as well, I really was acting like a dick when I started sensing her pulling back, I couldn't believe it, I felt like she was the one tricking me into falling for her which I never do and then once she had me she pushed me away. It was a perfectly executed disinformation campaign.
Fafner2 8y ago
So you say. For all I know you're giving a more one-sided perspective than you're letting on. From the story you've given, it still seems as though she was keen on letting you go over shit in the air.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
This is why you never trust a bluepill phaggot. They tend to be low-character guys. They will turn on your the very second they think it helps them, especially if it involves them getting a whiff of pussy, b/c, to them pussy is a Magical Land of Happiness that they have never visited.
Men are like spiders; it's the small ones that are dangerous.
AmlanceJockey 8y ago
Hell yea. My main friends all have true abundance when it comes to females. Its unlikely a guy betrays his buddy for some pussy when he is already spinning 4 plates. Occasionally we will realize we are fucking or trying to fuck the same girl. Instead of getting butt hurt we make it a competition or just pass her around. Abundance mentality is great, but actual abundance is ideal. Rich people dont steal each others wallets.
the_optiomal 8y ago
Odd how the only girl he approached on that was the one you cared about.
I don't know what to think of that, maybe he was jelaous but of her
Edit: I also don't think you lost a best friend
seenoeval 8y ago
I think it really drove him over the edge how wonderful and humble this girl was despite her classic beauty and how happy I was with her.
Also, I knew they chatted online here and there and I was fine with it even though this wasn't normal protocol with girls I dated. I think he just saw her vulnerability, and with her insecurity, I could see her asking him if he thought I was really into her if I was still seeing other girls and I'm sure he saw his shot to tell her all the horrible things she was hoping weren't going on.
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I believe this is the inherent knowledge women have that prevent their attraction to "nice guys." These "nice guys" are nothing but selfish, self-sorry fucks that will undercut your friendship for their own self gain. The same holds true when Mary Jane Rottencrotch actually gives them a shot, their mommy issues and controlling ways will come forward showing their true character.
seenoeval 8y ago
I agree with you, nice guys are just wolves in sheeps clothing and women are very aware of this.
The few that break out of the friend zone by some miracle of circumstances always burn it down within a few weeks with their neediness and controlling.
imthemanyesiam 8y ago
My friend did the opposite to me but same result. She thought i was this bad boy type and he would text my girl and tell her that im a really nice guy and put on a tough guy act. Broke up with me a week later. Prob for the better
seenoeval 8y ago
LOL, I'm sorry bro, I'm just picturing that weak bitch texting her things like "all he watches is fucking disney movies and then he cries, it's so weird" fucking hysterical.
aherne18 8y ago
Exactly the same thing happened to me! So many times "nice guys" belittled me behind my back before women I was having and they were lusting for. Nice guys are the worse kind of shit: womanly men without pussies to fuck... Weak, pathetic, full of excuses for themselves, going after popular guys. REALLY hard to find anything of value in them. I've met many women of more value than them!
If you want to make friends, choose only alphas: they are natural, they are not bitter and, if you are their friend, will honestly ENJOY seeing you with beautiful women and not try to fuck around behind your back!
One_friendship_plz 8y ago
Hey man it's not worth it to be friends with people like that, who are shoving BP morals down your throat. Take it from me, I used to be a BP snitch you weren't going to stop me from snitching I was too plugged in even snitched on family members.
philovivero 8y ago
Ah yes. I've had a couple of those situations myself. I never had the proof of it, nor did I find out who backstabbed me, but there were certain girls I was doing REALLY WELL with who suddenly just did a 180 after starting to get to know people in my social circle.
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GuruDev1000 8y ago
Well, you were his best friend, but he wasn't your best friend.
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NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
Similar shit happened to me back in high school.
I started dating a girl that my friend was interested in after it became painfully clear that he was too much of a pussy to make a move. She was actually trying to get him to ask her out but he wouldn't because he was too much of a beta and had zero experience with girls. In the beginning, before I asked her out, I was actually trying to help him get with her, but he just wouldn't make a move.
We only dated a few months before she ended it with me. But about a year later I became friends with her again and she tells me that my friend had been telling her at the time that I was cheating on her with other girls and such, which I hadn't been.
Eventually I grew some balls and kicked that fucker out of my life.
RedDeadlift 8y ago
Wow, that's an unreal life changing event. It's crazy what jealousy is capable of, even after all you did for him. Interesting point though about the marriage possibility though.
seenoeval 8y ago
I always love the "Mr Destiny" line of thinking (not sure if anyone has even seen that movie here)
My life could have been so different and that one event or sabotage completely changed it.
Honestly my life turned out fucking awesome, if someone gave me a magic button that would give me a one way trip to go back and have never had him fuck it all up, I wouldn't push it.
Regardless, that was a powerful lesson in the dangers of having toxic people in your life, all the signs were there and while that experience certainly made it hard for me to get close to new friends for a number of years after, I now have a zero tolerance for toxic negative people and those that have jack shit going on their life.
Surround yourself with like minded people, the old adage "if you are the smartest person in your group, get a new group"
dewbiestep 8y ago
Yeah make it a point to spend hour time with people who are going somewhere. If not they will eventually drag you down to their level.
deeman010 8y ago
Dude you are so lucky. I'd press that button the second I get it because I can no longer apply for the army due to a injury/ (now a disability) I got after getting involved in a car accident.
Aside from that, I don't have any regrets worth turning back time for.
HaveTheLastLaugh 8y ago
I also dislike that line of thought but for more 'technical' reasons. Using the same logic I can argue that the change you wish to do would have led to a huge disaster. So yes, I wouldn't push it either because it could of got me killed the next day. Related
seenoeval 8y ago
Also, I saw her profile on facebook a couple of years ago, she's gained about 40 pounds.....so really this all worked out pretty well.
RedDeadlift 8y ago
Haha, I almost included the possibility (more like almost assured) weight gain in my reply. It comes hand in hand with marriage.
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monsieurhire2 8y ago
Wow, now that is some best friend betrayal right there. Yeah, I've had similar things happen from so-called friends I've had who didn't have as much going on as me.
Perversely enough, I can also relate to the other side, because even though I had plenty of TRP inklings, I repressed them by adhering to BP "ethics," and found it infuriating that women didn't notice and reward me for it. Whenever I acted TRP, I got women. But I didn't want them that way because I lost respect for them. Consequently, my male friends who kept acting TRP, but without calling it that, would irritate me with their success as I went through my self-imposed stage of failure. Part of the problem was, I felt like it was TOO easy, and that I should have standards or use a screening process.
But getting back to the betrayal part; I once had a friend end the friendship because I hooked up with his female friend who he never even told me he was interested in. He only told me that she flirted a lot and not to take it seriously because it never went anywhere. Well, with me, it went somewhere, and boy was he angry at me. Ironically, since I went to another school, the incident triggered a confrontation that resulted in him dating her for a year, and presumably having sex with her, and I didn't even go that far with her because I was paranoid about STDs and didn't wanto get involved in an LTR. So, my alleged "betrayal" actually benefited him, even though I had no clue that it would be a betrayal in advance because he never told me, although, in typical passive aggressive fashion, he dropped a lot of hints. Naturally, all his BP mangina suite-mates took his side. Partly it was because I hooked up with her a second time after he blew up at me because I felt he was completely out of bounds telling me I couldn't hook up with her; his behavior acted as if she had no agency. However, another aggravating factor was that I had hooked up with a girl he had brought to a party from college. His brother had hooked up with the other girl that he brought. So that was probably humiliating for him . . . . but for Christ's sake, get mad at the girl since she's the gate-keeper for hooking up, not the guy! Bros before hos. Also, his kinky bisexual girlfriend would always shamelessly hit on me in front of him and once tried to initiate a threesome. So, I guess the guy was going through hell and he blamed me, but his girlfriend would initiate it, and these other women would reciprocate. Ironically, I was a still a virgin (I was holding out for the "one," lololololol or "someone special, big mistake, that) through all of this, while had had been getting laid for several years. Yeah, anyway, he ended the friendship over it.
Looking back on it, I'd say the lesson is not to invest too much in guys who are uglier than you and have lower SMV than you, or be very careful. Of course, if you have higher-SMV friends, you may have to deal with your woman being hypergamously drawn to them too. I've noticed that since introducing me to his GF, who appeared flirty, my room-mate has somehow kept her completely away from me since I'm a foot taller than him and more muscular. Probably not a coincidence. Looking back, I've noticed that lesser men will compete sexually by pretending to be your friend, and then throwing you under a bus or black-flagging you behind your back to women at a later date. It's a jungle all right.
david_kimba 8y ago
Your story gave me the tingles ;).
Anyways you can't shine that bright and be that perfect around insecure and envious punny people. They will hate you and resent you, no matter how good you are.
Im here wondering how many guys would have killed for a friend like you.
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 8y ago
The worst bit of is he didn't even gain anything from it!
The logical extension of his actions is that he was willing to destroy a full relationship you loved for either (1) the 1% chance of getting with her himself, or (2) his own selfish desire to impose his morals and do-the-right-thing (but when he could have done it a million other ways (charity work, girls dating w/ "douchebag" strangers) he chose not to, he chose to pick the one cause that fucked his friend over).
This bugged the hell out of me back in uni when friends would do this to my relationships. A lot of people eventually grow out of it though, as it doesn't affect me nearly as much now. Or perhaps you just don't trust friends as much unless they are true 100% bros.
Soarinc 8y ago
I disagree. I think {the motivation} was a cognitive dissonance issue that he wanted to resolve by imposing sabotage on the friend who had it "too good for what he deserved."
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 8y ago
This is a very good point and Im inclined to agree too.
Paid_Internet_Troll 8y ago
Exactly.
Sometimes, people suffering from the cognitive dissonance of the "Just World Fallacy" can be really dangerous when they believe that in a just world that you'd be doing worse than you are, and decide to nudge things in that direction to "balance things out."
Soarinc 8y ago
Yeah! I forgot the name of it--thanks! :)
I_Wear_Jorts5 8y ago
Damn, this post draws way too many parallels with my old BP lifestyle.
It's painful to even think about, but I used to get much more pleasure from cockblocking the dude who wanted to fuck a girl I was white knighting than I got from gaming random chicks. So glad I've absorbed the pill and become the guy who actually gets laid at the end of the night
tyranus89 8y ago
He's certainly jealous, but being that he's clearly BP, it sounds like he has a case of the feelz for Chad's girlfriend. He's frustrated that she's unavailable meanwhile Chad's running game on other broads.
"I could treat you right baby!"
TheRedPilsner 8y ago
Hollywood is probably partially to blame if that's the case. There have been countless movies over the years where a woman is dating an alpha jerk, then she meets a "nice guy" beta and they become friends. In the end, she realizes that she really wants "the nice guy" and dumps her alpha boyfriend.
redpillschool Admin 8y ago
I need to stop this behavior because women seem to like it!
dr_warlock 8y ago
If Chads are so misgynistic, cruel, immature, violent, and/or despicable, then why do women keep enthusiastically fucking them? Why do women cheat on their boyfriends and husbands for them? Why do women leave their husbands and boyfriends for them? Why do women have posters of them on their wall? Why do women send love letters to serial killers and have conjugal visits with felons? Why do women buy copies of books and movies containing him in the millions? Why do they suck their cocks in the club bathroom? Why do they attend massive organized celebrity sex parties and cruises with them? Why is the bacherlorette show so popular with them? Why do women scream and stampede at concerts, celebrity shows, and professional athletic events over them? Why do they flood him with online attention on social media? Why, why, why, why, whyyy?
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It says way more about them then it does about Chad. Watch what they do, not what they say.
Fafner2 8y ago
Because uhh I was feeling neglected/sad/depressed/wasn't satisfied/ hamster excuse X.
You're spot on with what you're saying in your last line. You cannot trust a woman's words when it comes to being a man. They're conditioned to say what society expects them to say about manhood, but at the end of the day, like an alcoholic staggering for a bottle, they give in to their instincts and fuck that "douchebag" that is Chad
mrmeyhemn 8y ago
why? because tingles. even they don't understand it.
what to do? what to do?! oh yeah, take advantage of their hypergamous nature. read, eat well, lift, treat them like shit, and fuck them. but don't commit. ~chad
Chrience 8y ago
Heck, Women THEMSELVES should watch what they do, not what they say.
Time and again feminists claim they are so independent and pure,hot for nice guys!, and hopelessly confused about why 50 shades would be so successful in spite of it being misogynistic and icky!
Well nope! Your average feminist's brain didn't come installed with Introspection.
[deleted] 8y ago
Ahhh women.. the other great mystery of the universe.
newbie3hunna 8y ago
Well to be fair just because women think serial killers are hot doesn't mean it's right or in your best interest to be one. Women being attracted to you doesn't equate to you be a decent person.
truchisoft 8y ago
Morality has no way into sex, at least not from women perspective.
some1onredditsaidit 8y ago
The "bachelorette show"...you aren't referring to the one where several guys compete over one woman while apparently being cool with her fucking the other suitors in the later rounds, are you?
dr_warlock 8y ago
Yes.
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One girl, 20 Chads. Fight!
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and remember society claims "women are the romantic ones"
tornadoseason 8y ago
I am one of those dudes (regretfully, I'll admitt) who women cheat on their long terms boyfriends with, or who have strange anything goes sexual affairs with. The best I can come up with is that I am essentially a roller coaster for these women. They do crave stability but every once in a while they want to feel that thrill of being out of the excepted societal element. These affairs never last more than a few months and usually end with the woman admitting that she needs to stop living like this and needs to get back to her "normal" life. Don't fall into the trap of romanticizing being the dude who "makes good girls go bad". If you're any type of thinking person who values self improvement you eventually feel the emptiness and shallowness of all these interactions. I've known many lotharios in my life and they all end up envying the dudes who these women crawl back to. It's another grass-is-always-greener situation. Hope this post has made sense for you guys.
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Yeah I'm at this point too, it kind of sucks because there have been a few that Id actually like to keep things going with but nope! they find someone else, more money more stability? more willingness to commit? I don't know.
The only ones that want commitment aren't good enough to pass my ultimate test: Would I take you to thanksgiving?
If my answer isn't immediately no I know that this wont go anywhere.
Anyway, yes many years ago when I was 17,18,19 I would have died to have what I have now, and now that I'm what teenage-me Idealized... well it can hurt quite a bit.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I too am the man who fucks girlfriends and wives. I don't feel empty, I don't wish one of them would stay, I don't envy the guys who get to keep the slut I just pounded so hard she had rug burns on her back that he ignores.
I don't feel empty because my life isn't empty. Girls are not my source of validation, they do not complete me nor anything of the sort. They are a hobby, something to do when I'm bored or need a set of warm moist holes to jack off in. I sure as fuck don't want to keep any of them. Already have been there, no need for ltr now. All they do is hold me back, slow me down, and ways my time and money.
Feel empty all you want, it just means you value yourself by what they think of you. I don't.
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tornadoseason 8y ago
hey man if it works for you then it works for you, I was just trying to offer a perspective on why women go for dudes like us. We're a vacation or a thrill for them. Men shouldn't feel down on themselves because women sometimes stray and end up in our laps. But keep on keepin' on homie, fuck your heart out.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
They go for me because I am the bad man, I don't play the part, I am. They want the excitement they can't get at home. I don't want some cheating anchor in my wallet, and that's all they are.
20 years ago I felt empty because I wasn't keeping them around, now I realize they're not worth the expense and risk.
Dustin_Bromain 8y ago
Used to ask myself most of these questions when I was a blue pill fuck and could never get a straight answer from anyone. Thankfully, Red Pill exists.
tyranus89 8y ago
Trying to answer this question is part of the problem. I'm not sure if "not seeing the forest for the trees" is the best phrase here, but the only thing that matters is that they do respond positively to guys like this. Why is almost irrelevant.
truchisoft 8y ago
But we here want to know the why too, because that will let us improve our technique.
tyranus89 8y ago
I disagree. You need only know that they do respond positively to men like Chad -- thus, you emulate them and succeed. Trying to figure out why often leads to inaction, not to mention poor emulation of success. Constantly reading signals and trying to "figure out" best responses, instead of just learning to be the best response.
Nobody needs to know why a certain baseball pitcher's technique allows him to throw a harder fastball; you need only emulate his technique in order to improve your pitching.
Make sense?
truchisoft 8y ago
Makes sense but is a flawed hypothesis. Continuing with your analogy, if you also knew why that technique yields better results, for example, let's say it is because the rotational spin of the ball is never less than 30 and never more than 40. The problem is, to achieve that level of rotational speed requires big bones. Now, you have small bones so there is no way you can emulate his technique successfully. But since you know what is the secret of the technique, you can try different ones that yield the same results but don't limit you and your small bones.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
Best answer I could get was a mix of deflection and 'just be yourself.'
Paid_Internet_Troll 8y ago
But, when you understand the world, "just be yourself" is the BEST POSSIBLE ADVICE to give a man.
For example, suppose you're sitting around bullshitting with beta-ish bros, and the age-old question comes up: "Which actress/celebrity would you most want to be on a desert island with?", or better yet "Which girl in your social circle do you most want to fuck?"
When no women are around, and everyone is in locker-room mode, even Beta Billy is gonna start telling you about which actress he wishes he had all to himself on a deserted island, or which girl in your social circle that he'd love to bang like a screen door in a hurricane.
THAT, my friends, is him being himself. When he absolutely gives no fucks about modern social conventions, isn't watching his mouth for fear of being shamed for having sexual thoughts, and feels free to say "I'd bang the fuck out of XXXXX, and pull her hair while taking her from behind."
Then, later, when you're all hanging out in public with the women present, suddenly Beta Billy is back in "nice guy" mode, and looks over at XXXXX when he thinks she won't see him, but averts his eyes when she glances back in his direction.
He fails in that moment, because he isn't being himself, he's being some nice guy simulation that he's convinced himself is the "real me," but it ain't.
The guy happily talking about who he'd bang, with no shame, is the real him... that he spends his whole life suppressing.
coquio 8y ago
Just be yourself.
As long 'yourself' has friends, isn't broke, or fat or socially inept.If they were just honest enough to say that, the world would be a better place. Women would be less conflicted, because their biology wouldn't be trying to sabotage their values.
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IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
I've never really agreed with the whole women's biology being the thing that pushes them towards a dual nature sex strategy. I imagine that if one has family, and a great husband, there would be no need for beta bucks.
Soarinc 8y ago
Women quickly take stuff you do for granted and become unhappy. This causes tension in the relationship and saps the motivation of the guy to be good to the wife once the wife decides all she wants to do is wear pajamas and watch netflix all day.
When women have it "too good" they become fat & bitchy.
IronMeltsinmyHands 8y ago
Jeezus when is a woman not whiny and bitchy.
antariusz 8y ago
Best answer I could come up with was, yea... These guys are doing good now, but just wait until I have a good amount of money saved up and a nice house, then we'll see which guy the women want to date. :(
Thank god for trp
Rhybon 8y ago
Used to be me. Thank god for TRP. "You're marriage material!" has gone from what I thought was a compliment to one of the most grievous insults someone can fling at me.
Soarinc 8y ago
Haha yeah every time i hear a guy say how excited he is to get married to some girl, I smirk and try to deny smirking. (They always take it as an insult that the girl is somehow tainted or that I know something about her that I'm not sharing)
It's humorous
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antariusz 8y ago
The biggest head scratcher for me was when I was 29, about 4 years ago, a single mother of three kids, who was 32 at the time, dumped me and started fucking a drug using tatted up felon.
That, beyond any other event, gave me a peak into the matrix, it was like a glitch in the system, just like in the movie. For some reason the world wasn't working how I expected it to work. I was a nice guy, good job, and had even done a lot of things beginning self improvement like losing weight and exercising, I'd dropped from 250 to about 200 and I was on top of the world. So I considered myself like a 7, and here was a woman who is a 6 at best, but with three kids and trailer park background I really thought of as more like a 5...
Leaving me, literally 1 week to the day after I moved in with her, on her suggestion. Of course she would, Jesus Christ I can't believe how beta of a behavior that was.
Of course, not even 3 months later I was dating another single mother, unfortunately trp wasn't around, I knew most men wouldn't date single women... Sure they didn't want to raise another man's child, but "eh that doesn't bother me too much, I have lots of money to spread around, as long as she's also able and willing to have my kid too someday, I think I could make it work"
I'd learned my lesson about moving in with women, but hadn't learned anything yet.
Such an idiot.
dr_warlock 8y ago
You are describing the scavenger method. You wait for the apex predators to make the kill and take their portion, then you come out of hiding and eat the left overs, or you wait to stumble upon a carcass and nibble on the carrion.
antariusz 8y ago
You're 100% correct, I have never seen that analogy before, but it perfectly describes my behavior. As a recovering omega, I actually considered it an improvement... Compared to death via starvation, even having the leftovers that other men had discarded felt like an improvement and it was an improvement, but my inner animal wasn't truly happy, I knew I was getting a raw deal, I just couldn't figure out why...
I'd been starved for so long I was happy to be eating a shit sandwich, it really is quite a bit like torture, eventually you will thank your captors for the slightest display of "kindness" such as only a quick beating instead of a protracted torture session.
ShitSandwichOfficial 8y ago
Glad I have your vote in 2016!
TheDialecticParadox 8y ago
"Someone give me positive affirmation to cut off our friendship that makes me feel inadequate, because I'm a feminine beta bitch that can't make easy decisions without consulting the hamster hive-mind"
[deleted] 8y ago
Worse, he's asking women. He may as well be asking his 40 cats.
Dr_Killpatient 8y ago
He's asking women for instructions how to white knight for WOMEN - he is taking whiteknighting to all new level.
NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago
The cats will at least give you no response instead of giving you actively bad advice...
[deleted] 8y ago
This is one of those threads that makes you wonder why some people suck so much.
The beta OP basically says Chad is a solid bro who has had his back for over a decade, yet he puts the happiness of Chads plates (whom I assume to be strangers) over his supposed BFF Chad? Fuck this guy.
He should be happy for Chad and learn what he can from Chad.
It also pisses me off that Beta Boy somehow thinks Chad is doing a disservice to these girls when in reality Chad is giving them exactly what they want, access to an alpha male who through his constant honing of sexual skills and social proof/preselection makes the plates feel better about themselves and more secure/special/worthy.
What Beta OP can't wrap his head around and refuses to believe is the reality that these plates would not tingle for Chad so hard and feel less fulfilled if Chad weren't spinning plates. The very fact that Chad is spinning plates adds to his SMV and thus adds to the feelz of the plates he is spinning.
BlueFreedom420 8y ago
The moral is not the friend is an traitor or his jealousy. The moral is you should never be friends with someone deep into the bluepill
RPmatrix 8y ago
exactly
jealousy's a curse --- on both sides of the fence
Jealous people become toxic over time of their jealousy continues
IMO they are best avoided
It's sad as people you have known for many years can and do change, and not always for the better -- culling these people from your friend base is hard, mitigating the drama they can (and often do) cause, is harder
avoid rather than counter
jdgalt 8y ago
This is why it's better to have a few real friends than a lot of fair-weather "friends". The kind of people who commented on (and wrote) that article are not to be trusted. I wouldn't want to hang out with any of them.
Nickleback4life 8y ago
Chad Thundercock shall now be known as Chad Kroeger. It is known.
Demonspawn 8y ago
Losers are jealous of other people's success.
Winners do their best to learn how others were successful and emulate it.
dickie_smalls 8y ago
fyi he was envious, not jealous
What_The_Shoe 8y ago
I had the same thought. But in his own deluded mind, I'm sure he was also kind of jealous. He probably believed Mikey here was stealing all the girls that he would have otherwise gotten.
dickie_smalls 8y ago
ahh too true didn't think of it that way
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Trail_of_Jeers 8y ago
I have one Alpha friend. In terms of gains and confidence, his actions have done well for me. I need more Alpha friends.
[deleted] 8y ago
"Hope it becomes a relationship."
If I had a pussy, it would have dried up after reading that part, lol.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I wish I had a shitty friend who was "warning" a bunch of women in our lives that I'm a player. You can't buy that kind of publicity.
ho_made_apple_butter 8y ago
Yeah, all the chicks he "warned" are probably hitting the guy up on Facebook.
mister_barfly75 8y ago
That's the problem with betas and SJWs in general - crab bucket mentality. Can't get what you want because you don't want to work for it? Bring down the people who can get it to your level and demand an equal share just fucking because.
It's sickening. I hope "Mike" finds the thread and kicks this cancer out of his life - we need wingmen, not back stabbers.
DatAEK971 8y ago
My best friend is Chad, I'm a sigma male with over 50 conquest's (24 years old). I always love being his wingmen and vice versa. Men should encourage.this behavior, they used to, not trying to pussify their fellow Alpha's. Maybe beta scrub could learn something, but....He's a beta, they're just born that way. Like queers.
[deleted] 8y ago
Top rated comment starts off with :
Interesting and bold statement to make. Your measure of a man is how well you treat Women.
What's interesting is the reverse that it implies, if that is true is your measure of a Women not how you treat a man then?
Fuck, that guy is going to sacrifice 12 years of friendship because he's more concerned about his friends girlfriend getting cheated on? That's the type of guy that would come with to your houseparty, wait till you and your girl are both passed out drunk, rape your girlfriend while she's passed out, and put you in bed with her and call the cops on you.
mightythickdick 8y ago
Sounds like it was written by a woman, or if it wasn't, then someone who's in love with his buddy, ha ha!
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fortifiedoranges 8y ago
I would have asked him what a moral compass was.
RedDeadlift 8y ago
Reading this story, and some of the stories in the replies has me thinking. And there are tons of people out there who hate their lives and their primary enjoyment comes from bringing other people down to their level.
As a man armed with TRP, your quality of life is going to be easily in the top 1% of people. This means you have to be very careful of who you make part of your life. This doesn't just apply to women, but business as well. I have a friend who lives abroad and used to tell other expats what he did to make money. He was very open about it until one day, another expat who was jealous made up a false claim about him and got him thrown in jail for the night. It eventually was sorted out, but it's crazy that it went down that way.
Demonstrate your success, but be wary of who you expose yourself to.
MarineLayer 8y ago
Jesus, reading that god damn thread raised my blood pressure.
moose_war 8y ago
This boy is a product of the feminist school system. He was probably raised by a single mom too.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
This sounds like a case of deep progressive emotional indoctrination that has mutated into the disease of full blown White Knighting.
This boy is very sick.
I recommend Red Pill therapy.
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Brian_Official 8y ago
Yeah this is the kind of sick attitude that leads to school shooting & what-not. Elliot Roger 2.0
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Or the guy will become a cartoon character like PC Principal on Southpark.
There are still idiots around who White Knight and aren't complete faggots. Not many, but a few.
Red Pill has probably 90% of the masculine men... the other 10% are misguided into being White Knights.
Think of some of the military guys... utterly clueless betas in their thinking, but physically in good shape.
I've seen these people, talked with them, they do exist.
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Imonlybuzzed 8y ago
Where can I find Red Pill Therapy?
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Yeah well that was a bit of a joke there actually.
Red Pill is this place.
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[deleted] 8y ago
The boy is lost, man. Stop giving CPR to a corpse. We can only save the ones that are ready to be saved.
mrmeyhemn 8y ago
he will wake up sometime in his early thirties, with multiple kids with multiple women. his kids moms will be beta buxing him through family law and cucking other betas. he will feel scared, alone, and have no dignity left. he will be a husk of what should have been a man. hopefully TRP will be here waiting.
truchisoft 8y ago
I've had a friend change from "telling them to go out without asking before if they are busy is disrespectful" to "I like to hit them with my belt and make them cry and say they love me" in 2 months. Once RP shows the cracks in the wall, the ensuing break down is downright scary.
Also, acid helped a lot
Fafner2 8y ago
You'd be surprised at the human capacity to change, especially when the same behavior yields poor results. When a beta bux/white knight/mangina gets divorce raped or sees enough RP truths, his whole paradigm about the pussy pedestal disappears.
RedDeadlift 8y ago
True, but often it takes the order of magnitude of divorce rape for them to wake up.
I have demonstrated and sprinkled subtle TRP advice to my beta acquaintances ("focus improving yourself over a girl's happiness", "stand up for yourself and be a leader", etc.), but they do not take the advice even though they do poorly with women.
Fafner2 8y ago
Like many things in life, unless the change comes from WITHIN a person, and not from external factors, there's seldom change to be had. You can shame a fat or skinny person, genuinely give them good health advice, etc. and they still won't change due to old habits. Until they realize they need to change themselves for the better, it just won't happen.
Divorce rape seems to be the major bell for manginas, but some people really do seem like lost causes.
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favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
It's always astonishing how low these dudes will stoop to try and get "even" with you. Even when you expect it.
Stationarity 8y ago
Is Mike an alias for Ferris Bueller? And is his "friend", really his sister?
aiguo888 8y ago
I highly doubt the guy is really his friend at all.
I can smell haters a mile away and I'm not even much of a playa.
Probably some co-worker or acquaintance that he wants to manipulate like a woman.
brokenshelf 8y ago
Chances are that if this kid drops his friend, it's the friend who will benefit in the long run. Methinks the OP of the post doesn't have any success with the ladies, and will probably have even less without his more dominant friend to open the way.
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Better lesson; bring your friends up with you. Impart some knowledge. Help them be successful. One of our best strengths as men is that we have a real ability for teamwork ingrained to our core from millennia of warfare. Use it, help your friends out and you won't have to worry about them cockblocking you. Instead, they'll learn from it and try to better themselves. Then you're not losing friends and they will respect you that much more for helping them.
david_kimba 8y ago
He has such a cool opportunity to learn so much from a friend, yet would rather screw it up to preserve his little bubble. Weak