TL;DR: Stefan Molyneux, one of my favorite Youtubers, rebutted a recent article by eHarmony encouraging men to date single mothers.
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She’s no wimp. Single moms are tough and independent.
No they are not. The US is in $18 Trillion in debt, and about $1 Trillion per year goes towards federal subsidies; a vast majority of which are claimed by single mothers. So much for independence.
She’s already a great mom. (And weren’t you looking for someone who would be a great mother? Look no further!)
In fact, do look further. There are exceptions to the rule, but in general single moms are horrible mothers. A woman can only be a good mother if there is a father present. Studies after studies proves this. The single most negative outcome for a child is to be raised by a single mother.
She’s incredibly patient, but doesn’t have a lot of tolerance for bad behavior. She’ll be good for you.
If she didn't have a lot of tolerance for bad behavior she'd still be [married] to the father of her child.
She doesn’t play games. She doesn’t have time to just fool around. She takes her relationships seriously.
If she took relationships seriously, why is she not together with the father of her children?
She’ll only keep you around if the relationship is a good thing for both her and her kids. You won’t have to guess if she’s into you.
Alpha fucks/Beta bux. She couldn't keep the Alpha interested, but is more than willing to cuff a beta to look after her kids.
Single moms are easy to pamper. (They don’t get breaks very often. Hint, hint.)
Translation: As long as you're the beta provider, you might get pity sex every once in a while.
She’s loyal — and is fiercely protective of her little brood.
Wouldn't loyalty mean she stays with the biological father of her children because that's what really is the best for her children?
She can articulate what she wants and needs from a relationship.
...as in, what's inside your wallet and bank account.
Single moms are both practical and fun. There’s no room for diva behavior.
This alone contradicts the entire article. If single moms weren't divas, she would be independent enough to support herself and not seek out the financial help of a beta provider. She wouldn't be so die hard about collecting checks after her divorce rape. Single moms in fact, are some of the biggest divas around.
She’s no longer a party girl, but a fun night out is still very welcome.
Translation: She's done with the CC, but wouldn't mind hopping back on every now and then.
She’s selfless. Single moms put others’ needs before their own.
So it's her altruism which caused her to become a single mom?
You’ll get to take part in adventures to amusement parks, the zoo and the park. Bonus: You’ll have an excuse to play with toys.
You'll have TONS of opportunities to show her just how much of a beta provider you really can be...isn't it great!?
She’s adaptable. She knows that life doesn’t always go as planned and has learned how to make the best of it.
She got knocked up, hopped off the CC, and is now searching for a beta bux. Adaptable indeed.
Single moms can do it all, but are super-appreciative of a helping hand. Woo her with kindness and acts of service.
So much for being independent.
Lessons learned:
cybersloth81 8y ago
I have spent the grand total of a month with a single mum.
Up until that point I took RP teachings with a pinch of salt.
Then during and after that month I changed my mind.
All she did was throw a sad face, and ask to borrow money (Im not proud of giving it her), then let me f**k her (as long as she got the money). She was basically a prostitute. And the only time she would see me was if she wanted money (I refuse to use the word needed, it went on her flat).
What made it worst is she was my next door neighbour.
Eventually it got to a point where I was sick of giving her money so I said no, Im not some suagr daddy. She started defending herself saying she wasnt a Gold Digger (yeah right).
She then asked me again to borrow money (adding an extra £10 onto what she needed). I said no again. Then she said that we should just be friends. I told her it was a great idea and I think she would be an awsome friend.
She then went mad, demanding to know why I didnt want to be with her and that she wasnt taking the piss, she really needed money.
She then invitied me around to "talk". She tried dragging me into her bedroom (I was getting paranoid after reading the RP at this point and was worried she would get herself pregnent on purpose).
I pointed out that she had no sofa in her bedroom and showed her where her living room was.
She didnt really say much.
Then I got a barrage of messages from her on FB, eventually when I told her to forget the money it didnt matter, she stopped contacting me (£265 over a month).
I saw her again 2 - 3 months later (not bad saying she lives next to me) then she said how good a couple we were. I told her I was going away for the weekend and jumped into a taxi.
I then got another barrage of text messages from her telling me how she was f**king body builders and her friends had said I was a mistake.
Then I didnt hear from her again for another couple of months until I got a new job. She saw me in my suit and started asking questions, when I mentioned new job, she started saying how good the sex was and we should get back together and blah blah blah.
She also told me that she had sorted out her money situation as she had started shop lifting. Awesome!!!
I then left that City and got an angry FB message from her (everytime I blocked her, she created a new account, seriously, I have her blocked like 5 times) about why didnt I go round and say goodbye to her.
Heard nothing since.
NEVER GET INVOLVED WITH A SINGLE MUM UNLESS ITS IN AN ALLEY WAY.
666Evo 8y ago
My ex's sister was a single mother.
Would not have touched her if you paid me billions. Drug addicted "former" stripper who was so "independent" she needed a constant stream of "friends" to spend the night and pay her "rent".
She managed to suck some poor bastard into her train wreck who ended up marrying her.
The kicker was her piety during all this. Lived in a house behind a church and went around telling everyone she was praying for them. Hilarious.
Redasshole 8y ago
Is that supposed to mean that as men we want a master who knows how to train us or something?
But to train us to become WHAT?
What about the relationship being good for ME?
So she has an agenda? She wants something FROM me and not to be with me just because she loves me?
Wait, it's a contradiction with what has been said above.
ether_reddit 8y ago
Coincidentally, this came up on another subreddit today -- http://judgybitch.com/2012/11/11/dating-single-mothers-just-say-no-a-note-for-all-the-single-dudes/
Polaris382 8y ago
Saw this stupid article before and shit...I didnt know it was written by a MALE. His "mancard" needs to be revoked.
ididnthithim 8y ago
Are single moms good for anything other than plates? I ain't trying to be your sugar daddy, you know?
my_redpill_account 8y ago
Just a silly hamster feeding article. Sucks to be any guys who fall for this crap.
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My father who was a self-made millionaire married 2 times to single mothers and raised 5 bastard kids.
Today is he broke living in a studio.
End of fucking story. 100% real boys.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
It says "date" not "marry". Date them - they're actually easy. Just be aware they want to escalate rapidly once they think you're it. That's the time to next them (I've done it a few times).
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My story needed to be told to dumb naive young boys reading this.
trowawayyada 8y ago
Yup low hanging fruit, I won't even plate them any more. Maybe an ONS but doubtful.
user6580 8y ago
My cousin got anchor babied doing this. Be very careful.
[deleted] 8y ago
And boy do they latch on.. I tried it once. I even openly cheated several times.. I was "forgiven" every time even tho I never once said I was sorry.
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A vasectomy is probably the best thing to get before plating one
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Mister_JR 8y ago
You damn well better have an iron-clad exit strategy first.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
Pfft. Mine is to hard next. It's a failsafe strategy, because they own exactly nothing of me.
ramot1 8y ago
My father did the same, but married one with four children, two different fathers. He died broke, living in gov't subsidized housing, and alone. None of those kids, who we had grown up with, bothered going to his funeral.
allfockedup 8y ago
But you showed up out of guilt for assisting in sucking him dry. Isn't that right?
Sdom1 8y ago
Wasn't it clear to you from the comment that this was his actual father, and that the single mom wasn't his mother? Your reading comprehension is - wait for it - all focked up!
ramot1 8y ago
NO, I had seen him almost every week for years, sometimes taking him lunch or just talking. I had been living in L.A. but came home when I found out he wasn't doing well. He developed brain cancer and his mind was gone long before he actually died.
TRP_Minor 8y ago
Can I ask how he became a millionaire? Did he start his own business?
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He was involved with the Russians at one point early in his career selling high powered computers during the Cold War. Then he had a printing business before it went bust. Then he did real estate and would have killed it if his last wife didn't take him to the cleaners.
TRP_Minor 8y ago
Sorry to hear about the situation with his wife, but it sounds like he has some cool history.
allfockedup 8y ago
So you're one of the bastards who helped suck him dry? Heh.
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I am currently helping him financially so go suck a cock you little girl.
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YAAAHHOOO!!
We are Free! Free from the shackle of Mother and the Matriarchy Shaming Machine.
Believe me the guys married to fat hairy beasts at 55 still living paycheck to paycheck are envious of your millionaire friend.
skoobled 8y ago
nailed it. The problem is that it still seems like a mark of success in the initial honeymoon, but that shit is scarily likely to turn quickly
user6580 8y ago
Youbhave tp be careful.. not getting married wont save you legally.
If a women is a co-dependant with you for a number of years (varies) she can still claim half your stuff!
[deleted] 8y ago
Are you talking about common law marriage? Most states have abolished that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States#Availability_by_state
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And you can't be forced into a common law marriage (at least in Iowa). One of the necessary prerequisites is that both parties want and agree to be married.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
Also older men (35-40 + years old) tend to idolize females more. They weren't raised with them, they didn't met them troughout their entire childhood and adolescence until the adult years.
They don't know the shits females of today do. The nude pics sent without even asking for them, the masturbation, period, dick shape talks to everyone listening, the pornographic clothes "modified" entering the school and leaving, the sexting, the constant, unstoppable boyfriends skipping from age 13 onward, the swearing, cursing, smoking, drinking, stoning, and whatnot.
"Old" men are so naive regarding females.
NightGod 8y ago
Wait...what? In what version of reality did guys in my generation (I'm 41) not grow up around girls? Do you think we went to all-male boarding schools starting with preschool and then immediately joined a combat arms branch of the Marines or something?
Sluts have been sluts throughout history. Just because the pictures are taken with a cell phone instead of a Kodak Instamatic doesn't make them something unheard of.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
You didn't grow up as close as today's men do. It's a fact. As it's a fact old men revere females much more, because they don't really know them.
NightGod 8y ago
I'm confused what you mean by "as close". I have been around girls my entire life. Even my Basic Training was co-ed (I was part of the test program the Army ran for fully-integrated training in the early 90s). Tons of female friends throughout my life, raised by a single mother from 13-18 or so after my parent's divorce.
How much closer could I have been?
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You know; you could just expand this rule. Because any woman who isn't a single mom yet; is only not one because you haven't knocked her up yet and she hasn't had time to claim paternity!
REDPILLHULK 8y ago
MY DAD BRIAN BANNER, BAD MAN. HULK BE MUCH BETTER WITH JUST MOM, MOM NO HIT HULK LIKE BRIAN FATHER. HULK THINK YOU CORRECT TO LEAF SINGLE MUM ALONE. SINGLE MOM NOT NEED MORE CHILD.
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kjax67 8y ago
Or watch that [pussy-whipped] 'man' treat his step/adopted children better than his own.
trowawayyada 8y ago
Or better yet he adopted, saw this recently on book of faces. Just cringe worthy, NO don't do it! The display of woman saying he's a real man made me double cringe. I might of threw up a little in my mouth.
bebestman 8y ago
Glad I'm not alone on this.
trowawayyada 8y ago
I did it for 7 yrs, then I ejected.
mrmeyhemn 8y ago
2 years as a "common law" step dad. grateful that she didn't push the issue of child support with her 2nd kid who had no dad on the birth certificate. she totally could have hit me for support considering i was the "father figure" for the majority of the little ones life.
i enjoy being a father, the hardest part of not being with the crazy BPD dark triad cunt is knowing her kids only have her and the long line of "boyfriends" that she will inevitably cycle through to look up to. the saddest thing in life is when good father material gets treated like shit.
edit: i will never date a single mother again, there is 0 value in it, they bring nothing to the table and expect you to treat them 1000% better than they will EVER treat you. fuck single mothers.
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hirjd 8y ago
A friend of mine said he's open to dating single mom's because he grew up in mixed families. First, his father left and a stepfather took over for a few years before his mother died. This stepfather raised him and his half siblings alone for about five years and remarried after my friend was in college. So maybe his stepfather was a loser but the guy obviously made a good enough impact on my friend's life that he considers it paid forward.
John_E_Vegas 8y ago
I just fundamentally disagree. I think a guy who takes on a single mom has a different set of priorities than you or I. But that fact alone is not what makes him a loser.
He might BE a loser already, but marrying a single mom doesn't make him one.
unassumingusername7 8y ago
Growing up with divorced parents, I instinctively knew that every man who seriously dated my mom was a loser, by fact of my own existence. Never been wrong.
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So, I guess "I banged your mom" jokes don't work on you.
skoobled 8y ago
Unless they hit and quit... But then it's still your mother
unassumingusername7 8y ago
Dating seriously precludes hitting and quitting.
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Since I'm a stepfather, naturally I'll take issue with this and try to justify my decision (made over 5 years ago, long before TRP) to become one. And I sort of can, but mostly it comes down to "I was extremely naive at the time".
So, all I'll say is you should just remember not everyone is as enlightened as you are. A lot of people are completely unaware of the numerous reasons you shouldn't raise another man's child, and probably even believe it's a noble cause (I was guilty of this one). "Anyone can be a father, but it takes a REAL MAN to be a dad" and all that bullshit.
I think feeling pity for them is warranted, but I don't think losing respect for them is fair. But then again, who cares about what's fair?
exit_sandman 8y ago
Never listen to the stuff supposedly "real men"^TM should do - odds are that you're just about to get a toxicity-level dose of the feminine imperative administered into your moral system.
In this day and age, being a "real man"^TM is usually about placing a woman's priority far above your own.
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I cant be sure but my hamster alert went off...
Would you do it again now that you are aware?
cover20 8y ago
We all make mistakes. I've made plenty.
Should other people lose respect for me? Sure if they want to, just as much for me as for you.
Good luck, and I hope you get some of your own kids out of her.
StotheGG 8y ago
Please tell me you got a child of your own with her. I don't think it is as bad if the guy at least manages to reproduce himself. Matt Damon did it, but got his own children. Same for Brad Pitt. Stupid examples, but suffice to illustrate my point.
I do know one poor sap who was desperate to become a father and have a family. She promised him that they would have a child of their own. He was a very good father to her children. Each time he wanted to try, it was always a bad time. She was lying through her fucking teeth. Guess what. She never got pregnant. Now she definitely can't. If you were to suggest a surrogate or donor eggs her her she's explode. Because she does not want to be a beta bucks. She is a cold harded bitch that can't reciprocate what he's done for her.
I'd either have children or move on. Honestly, that's what my words to a brother would be. You might be hurt, but 3 generations when they write that family tree your name won't be on it. Instead, it will have Chad Thundercock III on it. However, if he only is there to take care of another man's offspring.....you've just got fucked on the most basic evolutionary level. Leave.
redzorp 8y ago
We are now just past 20+ years of the WWW revolution - information available at everyone's fingertips. No excuses not to be awake.
So losing respect for stepdads is not only fair, it is MANDATORY.
Fuck 'em.
Okay, I will exclude you from the mass fuck 'em only because you post here on TRP.
But for all the rest - fuck 'em. Bunch of loser retards perpetuating the worst of the feminine imperative.
bluedrygrass 8y ago
That's so false. It's still difficult, in 2015, to step in an trp or dark enlightment blog or site, accidentally.
We're ostracized, quarantined.
Millions of men would like TRP, if only they happened to discover it.
I'm sure the almost totality of red pillers are here more or less accidentally.
So most blue pillers could be good red pill mates had they only have the opportunity.
John_E_Vegas 8y ago
Seems overly harsh. My step-uncle seems pretty cool to me for marrying my aunt and busting his ass to support her and my cousins.
Not everyone wants the same thing out of life as we do. No sense going around disrespecting our fellow men just because they have other priorities.
Face it, if they didn't help raise the little bastards, the burden would have to be shared by all of us.
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
I wouldn't ltr them solely for the fact that there is someone elses spawn living with them. I don't want any bastard offspring.
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TheRealMewt 8y ago
They also don't have a history of effective birth control use. Have fun never going raw if you're into that.
[deleted] 8y ago
My ex (a single mother) made a big deal about me wearing a condom. She hated it. I wasn't taking the risk. She had 3 kids to 2 different guys. If I knocked her up... We all know she was keeping it.
Whenever I put a condom on, she'd sigh and complain later about it. Say that it was "insulting" to her and questioned my commitment because I wouldn't fuck her bareback.
ILoveSunflowers 8y ago
lol I love that. That is an impressive emotionally manipulative tactic. Putting on a condom is an insult. That's just hilarious. Did she get all bent out of shape if she was driving and you wore a seat belt?
bea5tly 8y ago
Going raw in this day and age is pretty dumb anyway lol. STDs and kids are a BIG thing and trusting a women (single more or not) to be the sole person for birth control is a huge mistake.
hirjd 8y ago
Pull out and cum on their tits like in the porn.
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RedBigMan 8y ago
Don't worry she'll wipe it into her hand and try to finger herself into being preggo with your spawn so she can get another 18 year annuity from you.
If you haven't had a vasectomy don't bust in her or on her or really fuck any single moms. They're looking for some beta bux to support their bastard child and themselves and nothing more.
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Furrealyo 8y ago
I wish I could hug my vasectomy.
bea5tly 8y ago
Yeah girls are good at sensing when you are going to leave... then oot o im pregnant lol
felipebarroz 8y ago
That's exactly the point. I trust her on other stuffs, but I'm not trusting that decision to her.
AFPJ 8y ago
I got a better topic for you: Find a reason to date a single mom. Don't worry, I'll wait. Forever.
Danedina 8y ago
okay, i'll bite. They don't get butthurt when I spend time with my kids.
Not all of us are living like Fonzie.
ILoveSunflowers 8y ago
Fun fact: they do, they just try not to show it, stepmoms hate their step kids. So while you're dating, she see's them as a time suck.
redpillschool Admin 8y ago
VERY true. I've seen it first hand.
BannedBandit 8y ago
Who is this guy and why haven't I heard of him already?
kreativemess 8y ago
I don't want kids at all in my life and that's my #1 reason why I wouldn't date anyone with kids but with that being said, eHarmony is bullshit and I agree with you. My mom was a single mother until she met my step-dad when I was about 10 and she was a shitty mom before he came along. She partied, slept around, was really mean to me and let horrible things happen to me. Most single moms I knew and know are all over the place and I wouldn't go near them with intentions to date.
nereprezentativ 8y ago
What happened after he came along? Change for the better, for the worse?
kreativemess 8y ago
For the better! She got better at parenting and they are now married and happy. We're all now all functional adults because of it ahah He had kids though so it seemed easy for him to fit into the scene. The single guys she dated prior didn't work obviously because priorities were different. eHarmony maybe should have gone with the single dads dating single moms approach instead not towards those who don't have kids.
Liverotto 8y ago
I'd rather date a cat-lady than a single mom for the simple reason that it is better to be falsely accused of bestiality than pedophilia.
[deleted] 8y ago
During my 20s I stayed away from single moms like the plague.. Once I hit my 30s however I quickly realized that 90% of the single women in my age group were indeed single moms by now..
So I said, "what the hell, I'll try it" (should be noted I thought I had two girls pregnant and was losing my mind, no more heavy drinking for this guy).
I can now speak from experience. If your only choice is between porn or a single mom?? Go with the porn
pavista 8y ago
I dated a single mom. You know how most women have that period of 6 months before they reveal their true expectations so by that point you're already invested? For single mothers thats basically 2 weeks.
tech_0912 8y ago
If that long. My experience of women showed me that there's too many single mothers looking for a provider because baby's daddy(ies) tend to not want to stick around. But that's also due to the fact that either the guy is stupid and don't want to own to his responsibility(ies) or she's crazy as fuck. So I've steered myself away from them and have much less drama to deal with.
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Can confirm. Stayed with a single mother for 1.5 years. True colours surfaced within the first couple of months. I stayed way too long and feel absolutely used and taken for granted
vicious_armbar 8y ago
So have fun and get rid of them as soon as they become a pain in the ass. Tom Leykis had a great quote:
"I have one objective. That's to get a woman out on a date, spend as little money on her as possible, get her to my place, spread her legs as wide as they'll go, and bang the hell out of her. Then the moment she becomes bitchy or difficult kick her to the curb and move on to the next one!"
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SwissPablo 8y ago
You have to be pretty damn solid mentally to date a single mom. Easily-manipulated types who cave in to a bit of emotional blackmail along the lines of "you'd look after the kids if you loved me" are really asking for trouble.
My problem is I'm an older guy who isn't some massive success or established enough to rake in the girls 15 years my junior. It's pretty tough.
John_E_Vegas 8y ago
What do you mean by "massive success" and "established enough?"
These sound like self-limiting rationalizations that are holding you back.
If you've learned anything here, it should be that there are SOOOO many fish in the sea that you can't possibly fail to catch a few.
You just have to throw your pole in the water knowing you aren't going to reel one in every time you cast.
Get out there and land you a 20-something babe. Don't overthink it.
SwissPablo 8y ago
I meant that I've always got the impression younger women tend to go for older guys who maybe have a house, decent job etc, but I'm not one of those guys; that might make things tougher. But you're right, it's just a case of geting out there and taking it.
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It's their own fault. They're all obsessed with babies to the point where they know having one will ruin their life, but they'd rather deal with that later. They don't cultivate worth because home n precious bebeh don't care about that. They're a bunch of hormone-addled jokes.
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I know, but it's actually kind of sad if you think about it..
Most women are happy having babies, but they are constantly under pressure to have careers now. Then they are mis led by the media to believe sleeping around is a good idea to the point where no one will commit to them.
By the time they realize for themselves its usually to late
skoobled 8y ago
Console yourself with the fact that if you're aware, it's still better to be a man. It's still tragic, but you can still thrive
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I might have pity if the movement didn't come at the cost of men's lives.
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Yep, as you get older the choice comes down to single moms or childless crazy women (sometimes that overlaps). If a woman hasn't had kids by her early 30s there is a problem with her one way or another, every time.
Kill_Your_Ego 8y ago
Date ten years younger then you, at the very least. I've had a girl 14 years younger then me tell me she loved me after sex and try to turn me into her beta boyfriend. And I've pulled younger then that using day game.
The only thing stopping you from picking up young attractive women, who don't yet have ten years of baggage and masculinizing experience, is shame. Fuck shame. Do what you want to do.
I want to pick up young girls. They have tighter vaginas as well. So you can actually cum with a condom on. If she's older with a used up vag I've always got to bust in her mouth. Or use her really hard. At least these sluts are down for that.
But why bother? Young girls want to go out with me. Women my age are fucking delusional. Give me way more shit, won't stop trying to figure out how much money I make, and they think they're better then me!
UrRealDad 8y ago
This.
Let the single mothers have their beta male providers. The wise older man sticks strictly to younger, childless women. I'm 38 now and won't plate a woman over 30, I won't even ONS a single mother while there are so many young women eager to fuck (thanks feminism, "You go GIRL!". I'd also like to thank Tinder for making it so fucking easy to meet younger women who are dtf, hahahaha.).
bluedrygrass 8y ago
Just for having a better idea, what age are we talking, more or less, with 10 years younger? 20, more, less?
And to think that just some decades ago it was socially accepted for men to marry 15+ years younger women.
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trowawayyada 8y ago
As I get older....they stay the same age.
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"You're only as old as the girls you feel" - Patrick Henry
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Still in single mom territory.. Bible belt
trowawayyada 8y ago
HA! I had 1 the other day message me online. Early 30's with 5 kids, gtfo.
Surf_Or_Die 8y ago
Get the fuck out of there. It's the armpit of America.
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True, but much less liberal
Surf_Or_Die 8y ago
Crazy religious is just as bad. I dgaf about religion in general but in my experience people in the bible belt are very intrusive with their bullshit and when you put their illogical bullshit down you become pariah. Fuck that place.
Redpillwhiterabbit 8y ago
Gotta get to the big city or the coastal areas... Every other girl in the country has opposite facing eyes or 2.5 kids.
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I must not be in that part of the bible belt.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
Yup. I date 20-30 years younger (these are not typically moms), and get that vapid and rapid love thing from them often. Four of them have been stalkers after I nexted them.
As for shame - I've never experienced it. People who comment negatively on it just seem weird and odd to me. And by people, I mean universally, older women, and even more particularly, other plates, since my plates all know there are other plates. Or even older women I've just met and had a date with - again, since I let it be known, it's almost universal that women over 40 HATE that a man can successfully date a woman 10-15 years younger than them. I mean, the disgust you sometimes see is actually transparent as to its real source (jealousy).
Ah, but women hate women, and you can count on that.
Kill_Your_Ego 8y ago
My brothers and father shamed me when I started banging 20 year old girls.
But my sisters? And my sisters-in-law? They're miring this. They have nothing but growing respect for me and my do whatever I want attitude.
Also I do believe that I helped one brothers marriage. Because his wife saw the girls I was bringing around. And she knows that my brother could do that as well.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
My sisters and most girls try to tell me I need older girls than 20 somethings, but fuck that shit. Catch and release works best with fresh meat.
ILikeToWriteInBold 8y ago
Everyone needs a brother like you
Redpillwhiterabbit 8y ago
That proxy dread game... Damn.
John_E_Vegas 8y ago
LOL. Proxy dread. Love it. Gonna bring that shit home tonight.
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Sementeries 8y ago
Just how in the hell do you deal with stalker ex's?
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
Depends on how they stalk. Give you two real-world examples from my life:
This kills the sanity.
Even though unfriended on FB, by then, she'd made mutual friends (all mine), and often knew when I'd said I'd be at some event. I always say I'll go if interested, but often don't when the time comes. I'd get texts, up to a year after the break up, saying, "hey, I'm at such and such event - where are you?" In other words, very literally stalking me. She finally did "catch" me a year later at one, and after the event, came up, said, "can I talk to you", to which I said, "no". She left. I left. So, while annoying, not too bad.
When I went out of town for a very intensive, busy non-vacation trip, in which I'd literally be occupied in physical activity 12 hours a day, she decided that was the time to "break up" with me. For the fourth time (she denied any of the 3 prior times happened, yet all of them were in emails or other text forms).
I just told her, again, "fine. We're done".
This kills the sanity. Such as it was.
She rampaged about how terrible I am, and how much she intended to fight for having me. Yes, both of those, with full cognitive dissonance, in the same utterance.
She'd say "I'm coming over", and I'd tell her not to, or there would be repercussions. And she did. And there were. Police removed her TWICE from my property (where she'd never lived). After the second time, I threatened to get a restraining order, as she'd heard one of the two police tell me to do that so they could arrest her the next time. I never did, but she was sure I did, sent scathing messages about what an awful person I was to do that, etc.
But eventually, that all died away, and now it's been almost a year with no contact. Thankfully.
Sementeries 8y ago
Ex's like that are a fuckin' nightmare. They spit their venom at you, come over uninvited, try to fight you, and still expect you to take them back.
I'm thinking of making a post over in the ask subreddit about what other people have done to get rid of a crazy ex since I share similar things that you've experienced. In all of my time being here, I don't think there's ever been a in-depth post on dealing with crazy ex's.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
I think part of the problem is that there isn't one way that's "right". In fact, not sure what "right" means, as it depends on your own goals, and how one wants to treat people.
Some of us like a little crazy, so the advice, "don't stick your dick in crazy", is probably the best, but the least likely to be done.
exit_sandman 8y ago
I think the problem is not that they're young, but that they're into dating men who could easily be their dads. If you can pull them, more power to you, but somehow I have my doubts whether women with some sort of Electra complex are the most emotionally stable bunch out there.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
This assumption is wrong to a certain extent, but you're close to the right answer but not coming at it from the right angle.
Girls want a father like man, all of them do even if they claim otherwise. They don't give a shit about how many laps around the sun you've made, only in how you carry yourself, which also means not being a fat slob or skinny wannabe. Be a manly man and bitches of all ages will flick to you when you're in your 40s and beyond.
I'm 46, but I don't act like some old washed up loser, nor do I look like one. I get a crazy amount of attention from young girls, they're easier to fuck than 35 to my age bitches. Chicks my age want a provider, they want someone who will commit and make their life easy, make choices and decisions for her. They can see I am not going to do that. Girls in their 20s want the mature man who will fuck them like the dirty slut they are, don't put up with her shit and bruise her internal organs through her snatch, then find another.
I don't look 46, most say I look 30-35 even with the gray hair. I've been older than the patents of the girls I fuck rather often. I was 13 years older than my second wife. I have a cute little blond with a lisp who has been trying desperately to get my attention when she works, and I see girls checking me out everywhere I go.
It's not that they get off on me being older, it's that they don't see a Real Man® very often, certainly not one with muscles like I have, not around here. The age thing rarely plays a part, it's presence that gets them. The same presence their dad should have had when they were little. Every girl is like that, but the unattractive creepy guys will never see it.
ILoveSunflowers 8y ago
That's feminism's shame tactics talking to you. If you're an alpha, your age is irrelevant, you are an ageless wonder that they just want to be around. All women want to be with an alpha, you think an 18 year old would think twice about fucking someone like Brad Pitt? That man is in his 50's, so would you wonder about the "issues" of women into him? no, it's laughable.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Most girl I know in early 20s would be okay upto only a 10 yr age diff, even that when the guy is an absolute alpha.They like older men not old men.This place should be a bit realistic
ILoveSunflowers 8y ago
Most girls you know will say that to your face, but women will never admit what they want, and what they want is an alpha. You guys really need to get back in the sidebar. The only time age is a real hindrance for men is online dating. Approach in real life at the grocery store after getting out of your nice car? How old you are will not enter their mind.
KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
I'm in my 50s. One thing that I have learned from this sub is to
Ignore what they say, watch what they do or who they bang (me!) About 1/3 of young women (18-24) are open to dating a "silver fox".
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Top 20% is still top 20%, doesn't matter if you're 20,30,40, or 60.
I'm 46 and bitches half my age are constantly admiring, flirting, and outright hitting on me. It's easy mode for me now, and I'm not tall, not wealthy, but I have presence and game. Don't be Homer Simpson or Kevin James, be Brad Pitt or look like Arnold and age doesn't hurt you, it helps you.
In short lift now so you can pull young tail like I do in 20 years. It's realistic, even if you don't think so.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
Almost every girl on the CC has "fuck an older guy" on her to fuck list.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Being an older bad boy type makes it easy as hell, drive a loud obnoxious rat rod and don't be a fat slob and they will flick to you.
Danedina 8y ago
It happens more than you think. I was dating a chick 18 years younger than me with enormous tits and a tiny waist. She could have gotten lots of guys her own age. I'm no alpha, a poor PUA and have no bux with which to beta. She just liked me. Lasted 3 years.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
How old were you? I am guessing not over 40?
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NightGod 8y ago
At 39, I had a 17 year old actively pursuing me for a few months (no pussy is worth going to jail for, so I declined). Daddy issues are a real thing.
ILoveSunflowers 8y ago
17 is legal in many states, shame you didn't give it a go
NightGod 8y ago
I consulted my lawyer (seriously). It's just enough of a gray area in my state that I didn't want to risk it.
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SwissPablo 8y ago
Really glad I read this. I'm in my 40s and have been feeling weird about approaching women in their late-20s (my ideal target). I just feel creepy and strange ... but TRP has taught me that's just how women try and protect themselves from accusations of being slutty or strange themselves.
Ultimately I need to feel the burn of rejection from younger women, ride out the "shame" I'm supposed to feel. It's really hard but thinking about some grasping single mom charging full price for used does make it easier.
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Kill_Your_Ego 8y ago
You will get shit tests from the younger girls. If they ever, ever, mention your age they are shit testing you.
Pass the test. Grab them and laugh! Say to them, "you don't like dancing with me?" and twirl them around.
Oh God in my anger phase I've even fucked around with (mentally) one girls mom. Because she was only a few years older then me.
And you know what? She was jealous. And angry. And dating a man fifteen years older then me. Right where women belong.
dimby 8y ago
Than*!! You keep using then every time! Older than me not then me!
grewapair 8y ago
I'm in my mid 50s and still date young 20s.
The 30s and above just want to see how much money I'll spend on their saggy asses. Answer: not much.
The older women hate me, but so fucking what?
Redpillwhiterabbit 8y ago
See... It's guys like you that get the A+ looking ones.. How do I compete with 30+ years of experience? Carefully, that's how. I don't blame you for it.. It's what I'll be doing if I make it that far. But damnit grandpa, I've gotta be that much more potent in youth to compete with the aged bottle.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Muscle and attitude get you father for far longer. Why aren't you lifting right now?
Redpillwhiterabbit 8y ago
I was in between sets at that point
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RosewoodPill 8y ago
You have to work with what you got.
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Pretty much.. At this point I'm thinking I'm better off to wait a few years then start going for the single moms who's kids are already grown and out of the house..
Or hookers, I can afford hookers
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John_E_Vegas 8y ago
Lighten up, psycho.
It's called a "generalization."
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You're a man. It's different for women. Some don't want kids, but those are very rare after a certain age. It usually indicates that they've never been in a stable relationship. There's a reason for that and it's rarely a good sign.
ether_reddit 8y ago
You'll find a lot of them (men and women both) on the subreddit "childfree". There are many sad tales of one side lying to the other about wanting kids until locking the relationship down.
Being honest about not wanting kids is a good thing, not a sign of a psycho. It's lying about it that's the bad thing.
razorwan 8y ago
I've always held a different standard for having children between man and woman, tbh. Women's bodies and minds are inextricably linked to child-bearing and child-rearing. A woman who hasn't had a child by their 30s indicates to me either a callous nature or a slew of other problems that lead to not wanting to have a child.
The SJWs/blue pill fags will try to downplay this and put up the whole "independent woman" charade, but the honest truth of the matter is that childless women are fucked in the head.
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What if she just doesn't like or want kids?
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It's extremely rare in women in the age range we're discussing, unless they've never been in a stable relationship or they have ongoing issues from childhood. It's possible that there are women who don't fit either of those categories and still don't want kids, but aside from the ones who've dedicated their lives to a cause (e.g., Mother Theresa), I've never met any.
SwissPablo 8y ago
Had one gf who claimed she didn't like or want kids. Turned out she only said that as she was mirroring my views at the time. Not long after we split she was off trying for a baby with some other guy.
TheAceofWands 8y ago
Same exact thing happened to me twice, both of these relationships were substantial. Both claimed that they never ever wanted kids and that would abort whatever mistake we might make. Both got babied up with whatever dude they found next within a year. The first within a month.
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I'm not sure it has anything to do with a real desire for children; she'd probably have at least one by now. I think women know that men don't want to be with women who won't give them kids, and they panic, especially when they're in their thirties.
Edit: Do you, specifically, want kids at this point in your life?
SwissPablo 8y ago
It depends on the woman I have them with really. Right now I would like a child but knowing what I know from TRP it makes me very cautious.
user6580 8y ago
I think the exception to the rule is 50+. Old people need love too and you cant help it if your spouse dies. Probably obvious but still I feel bad for my mum.
House_of_Suns 8y ago
Done.
EGOtyst 8y ago
And not even having his own kid around could convince the man to stay around her.
nantucketghost 8y ago
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fuck_da_haes 8y ago
Widows have a pass in my book, not that I would consider one ... just, I would not write her off instantly as I do with single moms.
needless_pickup_line 8y ago
They're called Alpha widows for a reason. Like it or not you'll never be able to live up to the dead.
Racefiend 8y ago
Really, who wants to spend their time polishing someone else's fuck trophy?
Philhelm 8y ago
It pleases me that the very first response is precisely what I was going to post.
meatrocket8 8y ago
Half the reasons are "her baby daddy left, it's her fault". Well in some cases it is in some it isn't, i don't like generalizations. Exceptions make t he rule.
But yeah almost a year ago i met this 27yo chick with a kid that literally said in a stacked bar near me "i need to fuck every night". Well i did fuck her and tossed her. So no archangel defender here.
AdorableAnt 8y ago
True. Being a single mother is not always the woman's fault, although it might be in most of the cases.
Still, her fault or not, her baggage represents a burden, never an advantage, to all future suitors.
Positives that are strong enough to compensate for the disadvantage are rare.
TheSKSpecial 8y ago
I'd say most (as in 99% of the time) it is her fault. She has final say on who nuts in her and whether or not she'll have it aborted. She either chose to get knocked up or she chose to keep it.
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porkytool 8y ago
Idk how reddit gold works, but if I had any I'd give you some. You're comment is perfect
RedBigMan 8y ago
Don't do it... do you really want to put money into CEO Pao's Pocket?
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I will never understand some guys. I have a cousin that always had a slew of decent looking girls coming and going. Then I check the old book and see he's engaged to some woman older than him with not one, but two children with two different men! Maybe he grew up and wanted a family, but will never understand why you would raise someone else's failed family.
user6580 8y ago
My couson got done like this with an anchor baby. The 2 other kids have special needs. RIP.
Sdom1 8y ago
Did she put a gun to his head and force him to stick it in her? Did he wear a rubber? Remember, these things generally happen when you don't protect yourself, and the best protection is to not fuck illegal immigrants with retarded kids.
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What's an anchor baby ? Lol
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Also, lol I just got banned from r/offmychest for posting in a hate subreddit. Carry on my fellow men.
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Join the crew.
I was banned from there too. I'm sure most guys here were banned from that sub.
1independentmale 8y ago
Makes me laugh, these dumb fucks go through all that trouble to track down and ban "teh evil redpillers"... Yet I can make a new account in all of 3 seconds.
NightGod 8y ago
Badge of honor. I'm upset I haven't gotten my ban notice yet =x
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DoDraper 8y ago
Welcome to the family. I just got banned too.
You know SJWs
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Lemeiux 8y ago
Hey it's funny you mention that because I got ghost banned too for being a member of TRP and I've never once posted anything on that sub. haha
mister_barfly75 8y ago
Anyone who posts anything, ever, in TRP gets auto banned from offmychest, even if they never visit or post there. Isn't freedom of speech beautiful?
ont_anon 8y ago
Same with me - never once posted there, then once posted a message which was essentially a very short, above-board 'Similar thing happened to me. Stay strong' type of post. The OP even responded to me saying thanks.
Next thing I know I have a message from a Moderator saying that I was banned.
For how free and open these moderators and Reddit feel they are, they hate on us for simply being members of TRP; practically the definition of bigotry.
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Reddit is such a free place.
[deleted] 8y ago
Well we had an obvious sjw ceo for a while so that fucked things up.
[deleted] 8y ago
That's just how the world works now. Too many people think like cowards and only want to see politically correct media. God forbid the truth be told.
waylandertheslayer 8y ago
While she was clearly a cunt, she was also (probably) just a scapegoat for changes that reddit wanted to make anyway. Then they boot her afterwards, don't reverse any changes, and keep going as before (e.g. coontown got told they wouldn't be banned and now they have been - I don't have that much of a problem with reddit banning subs, as long as they're consistent and get rid of places like srs as well)
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Jewbano 8y ago
Exactly. One should never be so hungry that they consider eating another man's crumbs.
Furrealyo 8y ago
Marrying a single mom is like playing someone else's saved-game.
commentatorX 8y ago
Bethesda presents:
FALLOUT 4: Anchor Baby - (compulsory expansion pack)
Philhelm 8y ago
That would suck to start mid-game as a Druid. Good analogy.
stomptttt 8y ago
No matter how thirsty you get don't drink ocean water.
rebuildingMyself 8y ago
I always heard no matter how thirsty you are, don't drink water some other man put his dick in
LiminalHotdog 8y ago
So you only fuck virgins? Interesting - you so alpha bro!
Bruiko 8y ago
doesn't quite have the same ring
imapirateking 8y ago
But sounds like valid advice
spacelord777 8y ago
You hang out with a strange group of guys who plop their dick into each other's water glasses, if this is something you always heard.
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guys put their dink in pools and oceans too though
dont drink those
JGStonedRaider 8y ago
Gotta say that this advice is kinda wrong, you can actually drink sea water and it will keep you more hydrated than not...just saying, don't kill me
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Heh I wanted to make the same comment.
You can drink about 300 to 400 mL of sea water per day and still get all the benefits of the water, with minimal side effects.
Of course. 400 ml isn't nearly enough of the water you need daily, but it can save your fucking life someday.
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korben_manzarek 8y ago
well what if the crumbs are 9/10 and the bread you'd otherwise be eating is 6/10
commentatorX 8y ago
Crumbs are still crumbs. Make sure you're eating better bread.
Jewbano 8y ago
Why would anyone want stale bread?
korben_manzarek 8y ago
well it's 9/10 so by definition it's not stale. Let's say you meet a really hot girl, you describe her to your friends, you say she's a 9/10, then a bit later you discover she has a kid she's taking care of. Is she suddenly a 4/10? Of course not.
I'm not saying that being a single mom is a good sign, but the statements here are dogmatic and simplistic.
LiminalHotdog 8y ago
Whoa - we got a thinker here! Get him guys!
Coonerang 8y ago
What are you left with when her looks fade? Ever consider that?
korben_manzarek 8y ago
well a 9/10 with faded looks instead of a 6/10 with faded looks
Coonerang 8y ago
Seems to me that you care way too much about looks, I'd rather take the 6/10 woman who isn't a single mom and who will likely have a career. If you think that 9/10 single mom is going to have time for you, herself, her kid, and a career. Then you are chasing a very delusional dream.
Jewbano 8y ago
I was referring to the 6 when I was talking about stale bread. I would still rather bake for myself than deal with a kid though. This is a very strange thread.
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bazwalt 8y ago
The only problem I see is that in certain situations the father can be a bad influence. Let's no parade around and assume no biological dad means she did something wrong or is a sloot
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I dated five single mothers. One tried to take me home after a few hours, the other four it was date two. I didnt push any of them, they were knocking me down to hop on top of me. They were the most DTF of any women Ive ever dated. Most were trying to introduce me to their kids by date two or three. Yes I was a major beta feminist in those days and maybe thats what they were eating up so much. I broke it off with all of them for various reasons, but basically non of them were relationship material. One of them actually said to me, unless you abuse me I wont ever bond with you. She was a teacher btw. I still see her around several times a year. I can only imagine how many times shes been pumped and dumped since I dated her. Total hamstronaught to the max. She needs the Hubble telescope to even see the earth shes so far out in space.
commentatorX 8y ago
He 'aint always right about everything, but Molyneux is BANG on the money when it comes to parenting/marriage matters.
TheRedPillOverdose 8y ago
Last summer I went on a ridicilious non stop alcohol/party rampage and lost so much brain that at some point I ended up hooking with a single mom (not my style). I'd be all drunk 24 7 and just let anyone come n go to my place as they please, so she shows up once with her like 2 year old (estimate) kid and has him fall asleep on this mattress on the floor where I'm chilling (I have a bed I was max fucked that summer). As soon as the kid is out she starts going at me like mad and going for sex and I'm like dafuck is this gtfo. To better explain she brought her little kid to a party dudes house completely full of trash and literally alcohol bottles and what not all over the place and then was gonna fuck right beside him. She was hot but even at my worst give a fuck mind state I've had I felt uncomfortable fucking beside a little kid..but not her. Anyway fuck (not literally) single moms, once was more then enough for me.
Tingles > Anything.
AWAAAOOULT.
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One of my plates right now is a single mother trying to hook me in as a BB by getting knocked up.
She has no idea I've had a vasectomy.
Furrealyo 8y ago
God I love this game.
Now wait for the inevitable "I'm pregnant, we need to get married" speech. I've only personally had this one once, but it was so delicious I can still get pleasure in it vicariously thru others.
redmeatball 8y ago
never heard of this guy, but he makes a ton of sense.
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GoldPisseR 8y ago
There are girls who are able to make top guys commit.Don't be delusional.
Surf_Or_Die 8y ago
Dude, I don't get this attitude at all. You don't have to be on board with his life philosophy to learn something from him. I read books all the time, some of them are full of shit that I disagree with and I still don't regret reading them. First of all, hearing out opinions that challenge your world view is good for you, it makes you think. That should be reason enough, but in case it isn't; consider that even the Nazis were right about things. Even people whom you fundamentally disagree with are probably right about some things and you're probably wrong about many things. Don't box yourself in like that.
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cover20 8y ago
I saw some of his videos where he was just reading off a script, and it was clear somehow that he did not write that script.
He has a good presentation style which is why people watch him, but the quality is uneven and I wouldn't put it above him to draw you in and plant some bp messages.
salacio 8y ago
Do you have a link to where he is reading off a script? He does presentations sometimes and has two other guys that help him with the data. Is that what you're referring to?
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exit_sandman 8y ago
This is the typical sort of toxic bluepill advice that makes loads of nerdy guys undatable. Not only do they develop the idea that it's not really useful to look good (which is the fucking basis of attraction), but that it's actually detrimental because you will attract trashy women.
Here's what I wrote about this elsewhere:
(caveat: I am living in a country where university attendance correlates with non-trashy behavior)
The problem is more that men get actively disabused of any notions that might lead in that direction. Whenever you hear about female preferences, the importance of actual SMV markers is either played down or gets flat-out denied. Being handsome, wealthy, ripped, successful yadda yadda yadda is all "not that important", thus promoting the idea that only superficial women would value it. Instead: be nice! be friendly! be respectful! Show her that you value her! And so on.
An anecdote - a few years back when I was still at the university, there was a pretty couple living in the same dorm. She was a pretty girly blonde (5'3" tops), he was a huge bulking roid monster (6'6" and ripped as fuck). I acutely remember that this struck me as odd that this guy could have landed such a girl. I mean, I was aware that having a nice set of abs and stuff like that would be helpful and that looking athletic was an overall net gain, but I had been so indoctrinated with the idea that only cheap and sleazy girls go for huge bulging muscles (which he had) that the idea of a college girl being into it was pretty much inconceivable to me. In other words: I was for all intents and purposes fully convinced that it would hurt a guy's chances with "quality women" if he was a dedicated gym rat, and assumed that she picked him not because but on some level despite looking like he did.
I would never have gotten the idea if I hadn't been exposed from all sides with denigrating comments about these sort of guys, with women wrinkling their noses in disgust whenever the topic of extensive lifting (and the visual consequences) came up, from media productions that scandalized steroid abuse etc. So yeah, had I been more realistic I would have thought "good pull, girl". However, with the mindset I had then I was more like "good pull, dude".
Another example:
This was the first time I can think of that I've read when a man got described as desirable in the most unambiguously SMV-related terms without any mystic random butterfly crap sugarcoating it. Naomi didn't pick her guy because he was good with children, or because he was such a great listener, or anything like that. Well, maybe he is and that just made a further impression on her, but it wasn't what lead her (or the post wall-women in the audience) to him in the first place.
The answer is: I was aware that these traits are attractive - but I was also invested in the belief that it is a marker of low quality if women value them to such an extent that they can make or break their dating decisions, and that if I wanted a "good" woman, I should rather cultivate my orbiter qualities instead.
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dodgyasfuck 8y ago
Isn't that exactly the AFBB process I read so much about here?
What part of that is "virtuous"?
And if this guy gets shit like that wrong, why is he popular in TRP?
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Single moms are both practical and fun. There’s no room for diva behavior.
SM says, She's so much fun that the father actually pays her thousands of dollars and doesn't have a relationship with his kids just so he can not be around her!
I haven't heard that perspective before.
Single moms are so awesome that the fathers' of their children would rather lose their relationship with their kids and pay through the nose just to not be with her.
DRMMR76 8y ago
My biggest problem with single moms is the Catch 22. First, if you're open to dating a single mom, it's a given that you want children. And second, if you want children it's a given that you want them to have a good mother.
Unfortunately, as a single mom, she can either be a good mother or a good girlfriend, not both. If she places you as her priority, which a good LTR should, it means her kids are not her priority, which makes her a bad mom. If she puts the kids first, which as a mom she should, she cannot have you be a priority, which makes her a bad LTR.
Stable relationships should start with two people, both without kids, building the foundation of a correct long term Captain/First Mate relationship. You love her, she honors and obeys you. You spend a long time with that foundation, so when you have kids and you both have to start focusing on them instead of each other, you still have that ingrained foundation of Captain/First Mate guiding both of you and keeping your relationship working. If she has kids before you start dating, there is not chance of building that foundation. You have to start off focusing on the kids first, since they're already there, and thus cannot build your own relationship with her. It's doomed to failure or quiet misery. And with very few exceptions, a single mom will always put her kids first. It's biological and excepting the few aberrations, they all will do it. She will never be able to focus on you like a single childless woman could and should.
This manifests itself immediately where even the most casual meetup or date needs to be arranged around finding a sitter and other complications. Add in that single moms are always either super bitter, cagey, and just not even fun to be around, or they are absolute sluts who will fuck you with their kid in the room. Neither are conducive to anything long term or meaningful. The only option is to ignore the bitter ones and plate the slutty ones. Just make sure you're wrapping, or better yet, have a vasectomy. You'll never find out the real reason she's a single mom. She very will may have tried to play the "oops I'm pregnant" game with another guy and failed. You could be next.
exit_sandman 8y ago
It's interesting - even in my bluest bluepill days, I was adamantly opposed to seeing single mothers as serious dating prospects (and back then I only considered serious dating prospects dating prospects at all); and all these articles that tried to sell the reader single mothers as the best thing since sliced bread really riled me up because in these cases I was very much aware that I someone just tried to sell me a shitty deal.
Here are 15 reasons against dating a single mom.
No. They should be, doesn't mean they are.
(a) All being a mother tells me about a woman is that she's a mother. Doesn't mean she's a good one. (b) There are millions of women out there who would make decent mothers and don't have children yet. Why should I pick the one who already has some and possibly doesn't want any more (or one more at best)?
This shows beyond a doubt that this article was written by a woman. Makes me want to punch a kitten.
Yeah, she doesn't have the time to fool around; which just means that she's going through a heavily accelerated mode of trying to permanently lock down a guy. "Taking a relationship seriously" in that regard just means that she'll try to upgrade a one that might be okay-ish to permanent-status. Which never in the history of man went wrong /s. It's practically a post-wall woman with baby rabies on steroids. Sounds like fun!
Whoever wrote that shit should go to hell for lying.
The status as a single mom necessitates that they have to compromise - when dating, they either prioritize themselves and not their kids, which makes them bad mothers, or they prioritize their kids and not themselves (as in: not dating men they're attracted to, but pushovers who will be decent to her spawn and provide for them despite not having reason to apart from dating her). "A good thing for her" in that case means that the guy is useful, not that he sweeps her off her feet. And yes, he should guess whether she's into him or not. At the very least the guy who married that woman.
Possibly, doesn't justify all the other downsides.
Loyal to her children. First and most. Which automatically means loyalty to you as a guy unrelated to them takes even more of a backseat than it would anyway.
That's hamster for "she cares about her own priorities first and most".
Practical maybe (it is practical to date a provider when you have children on your hands and not enough money to pay your bills), but fun? Mothers are less fun than childless women by definition because they have less time for it.
Who says a guy wants a woman who ever was a party girl? That phase of her life is probably responsible for her being a single mom in the first place.
That's practically "she's loyal" only said in other words. And similarly, the answer is the same: she's (possibly!) selfless, but not when it comes to her partner. Most men say that their wives started deprioritizing them once they had children - I wonder what makes these idiots believe that single moms will be any better in that regard. If anything, they're probably worse.
So what?
Does the author think men are idiots?
And had to crash into a wall in order to learn that. Total relationship material.
Polishing a turd. "Single moms are awesome because you get to do things for them! Yay!"+
Basically, that drivel is just on orgy of delusions. It touts traits that are the bare minimum to be considered relationship-worthy as something that for some occult reason is more prevalent in single mothers, outright lies about other traits, and tries to sell their readers the idea of being expected to do more stuff for a woman who will do less for you as a perk.
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You deserve 1000 upvotes for this. You've just summed up my previous relationship
mrgrowl94 8y ago
Why the hell would you post Stefan and take what he says and post it as credible? Stefan is a moron who has been rebutted himself by people far more reasonable and logical. I've seen a few of his other videos in the past and this one stacks up to be pretty much the same. "Anecdotal evidence, anecdotal evidence, logical fallacy" You couldn't possibly have chosen a more reprehensible and idiotic person. One of your favorite youtubers has *literally" said all evil in this world is caused by women. If there was EVER a time to use the word misogynistic, it would be with him.
NineInchPitchfork 8y ago
This is true, he is a fucking jackass. He is not on side with TRP at all - he is all about his "virtuous man" concept which involves no lifting ("women don't like muscles" plus weird thinking ("global warming is not real") and blaming women for every single problem in your life.
I suspect he has psychological and /or psychiatric issues. He was raised by a single mom himself which makes me think his hate for them is somewhat personal. He is married to a complete whack job of a psychologist.
He is also one of these guys who thinks he knows everything. No matter what topic a caller to his (internet radio) show raises, he knows more than them - even though his answers often betray the fact that he is completely bull shitting and knows nothing about it. Try listening to his show and I dare say you will agree that "he ain't right in the head."
mrgrowl94 8y ago
Oh I am 100% confident in what you have said. The points he makes are completely nonsensical. I've seen him tore apart time and time again from various podcasts, mostly Drunken Peasants. He doesn't have a leg to stand on when someone actually argues against him. Glad to see im not the only one with this perspective.
freethinker34 8y ago
I agree with the premise that dating a single mom is less than ideal, but I see two reasons that it could be worth while.
All you want is sex or a short term relationship and she is a hot milf -There is nothing wrong with this scenario. Who cares how many kids she have if you are not investing in to her emotionally. Make it a purely sexual relationship but let her know so you don't lead her on. That way its mutually beneficial.
Again, none of these situations are ideal. Ideally the woman has no kids, but I think if the woman is hot enough and desirable enough there are exceptions.
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Dr_Killpatient 8y ago
If that is true, then you end up with some woman who makes shitty life choices and are forced to raise some asshole's cum-stain.
So, what's your point?
Men owe women NOTHING.
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scrantonic1ty 8y ago
Does this really need to be said? Only the truly lost boys in society aren't aware of the many pitfalls of dating single mothers. Even in the mainstream, the vast majority of guys don't want some other guy's kid on the scene. They might not subscribe to RP principles on the matter but even just the complication of her kid is enough to put most betas off, especially if they're young.
teeelo 8y ago
My friend, most of us are Lost Boys. I remember a time not too long ago, pre-RP, I gerbiled myself into thinking that maybe I was meant to marry a single mom and do the right thing or some bs. I can't remember. It had to do with the fact that I don't want kids and was probably not going to marry a girl who would obviously want kids and how unlikely that was.
Like how was I supposed to get a sexual relationship when women would all want kids??????
Durrrrr
truchisoft 8y ago
What is this piece of shit post? You are really snarky with no sense, there are a lot of reasons not to date a single mom, and you articulated almost none of them. It's almost as if you just want us to go along with your anger phase.
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Serious question here, not trying to troll on TRP. Nothing but mad respect for y'all: I know a single mother but the reason she was a single mom was because the father figure used to beat her and her kids for no reason, other than he was a drunk. Does this affect the view on this single mom, or should I categorize her with all the other single moms? I'd like to hear the red pill take on this.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
This is a generalization. Accept her with caution.
PlusGoody 8y ago
Her fault. She should have known better to hook up with him. She should have had a father or brother who broke his legs the first time he laid hands on her. It takes two to degenerate.
carnage_panda 8y ago
U don't know someone while ur dating them.
My sister got married to a real fuckwit who didn't show his behavior until after they got married and she moved in with him. He then cheated on her with her friend, and his behavior was that of a real retard, like unscrewing light bulbs enough that they wouldn't turn on, but would still hang from the socket.
No idea why you think it takes two people to be a degenerate. That's like blaming Peter for Paul's crimes. If Peter is Paul's friend and Paul goes and shoots up a theater, then why in the world should the police go to Peter's house and arrest and charge him with those crimes?
[deleted] 8y ago
Why fuck single moms when married moms are ripe for the picking?
Most hate their beta husbands and are dying to be fucked by a real man who pulls their hair and spanks them. These ladies also have very little free time so you have almost zero time commitment.
Make them buy you shit too
WishfulTraveler 8y ago
I do this. I don't pay for shit and if they want my time they do whatever I say and get me whatever I want. It's very rare for any of them to walk away from the arrangement.
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Why would they walk away? They have it in their minds you are AF.
ALPHA FUCKS gets away with anything he wants.
l0ng_time_lurker 8y ago
a plate-candidate told me while discussing this topic: women who cheat are looking for a replacement for their beta husbands - IMHO engaging with cheating wives opens up a can of unnecessary drama. Other opinions?
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I dont disagree but let me elaborate
Women say all kinds of shit. Why listen to this plate candidate
Pick a married woman with alot to lose.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
That's a really good point. Personally, I won't help a person cheat - if they wanna fuck, it's going to be above board. But a lot of playahs out there have a DADT policy, which is understandable.
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It's not for everybody and that's fine.
It is for me. The process moves glacier speed compared to Tindertime for the single folk or sugarbabies for the married guys but once you nail that married woman she is yours for life
throwaway-aa2 8y ago
awesome dude. Do they ever bring up marriage before hand as resistance or they generally don't?
I actually the other day met this woman who had been with her man for 20 years and I got guilty and regretted my decision to bow out even in the moment. So I won't make that same mistake again... but I talk to VERY receptive married women and they tell me they're married and I have a hard time pushing through... so wondering if you get a lot of pushback from that angle. I DEFINITELY want married women, the sound of them not having too much time sounds so good...
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Married women are WOMEN. All women throw up LMR and its a man's job to push through it.
Yes a married woman's Last minute resistance is usually " I can't do this..I'm married".
The antidote is to make her feel " it just happened and its not your fault". I've even said as much and they lap it up like a cat eats cream.
RussGuss204 8y ago
many of these are the same about how she should be with the father of the child. What if she was going through a horrible time in her life and the father is a walking diarrhea human?
kommissar_chaR 8y ago
still reflects on her that she thought putting a kid into the mix is a good idea, the same way it reflects on the father.
CeruleaAzura 8y ago
How about relationships that go sour after having kids? I've seen that many times, two people having a wonderful relationship and then they have a child and everything changes.
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Single moms want to lock down a BB. Don't be the BB.
watersign 8y ago
single moms are ideal prey for sexual degradation and deviant behaviors
Furrealyo 8y ago
Truth. They'll do anything...happily.
PROTIP: Rimjobs are AWESOME!
teeelo 8y ago
Your typical politically correct SJW do gooder will be quick to dismiss your points. Not only because it's quite brash and wude, but for a rebuttal like this:
*'Well not all single moms are to blame for their failed relationship. Sometimes it's the guy that is to blame and he is the one that ruined it for the whole family.'
True!
But do they consider that maybe maybe MAYBE if she had any agency she would have MAYBE chosen a better donor for her egg? That maybe if she had made better choices she would have found an actually GOOD GUY to breed with?
No.
Always Mans fault. Never the womans.
Getting the white knights, SJW's, Manginas and feminists to acknowledge a woman's responsibility in anything bad that happens to her is like bleeding a stone.
dodgyasfuck 8y ago
I feel you have misunderstood the word "sometimes".
teeelo 8y ago
Good point. I instinctively used the term because I have an unsolipsistic mind. A true SJW would never leave a thread of doubt that it was and was always the mans fault.
dodgyasfuck 8y ago
You flipped a valid point that sometimes the guy is an asshole, which is true, into a rebuttal that the woman should have chosen better. Hindsight is awesome.
teeelo 8y ago
Consider this: You take a shortcut home through a dark alley and get robbed. The SJW says it's not your fault because you shouldn't be getting robbed (True), what they refuse to acknowledge is the responsibility involved in not taking the risky path which led you into that mess.
dodgyasfuck 8y ago
While there is no such thing as a perfect analogy, I don't feel this one is good at all.
I don't know whether I'm dealing with an autistic here, but pretty please, for the love of fucking god, just take these words and sit on them.
SOMETIMES it's not the woman's fault.
If you can't acknowledge that, then I don't see any point continuing this.
hypno_disc 8y ago
Single moms who left abusive relationships are often very easy to manipulate and bend to your will. They can actually make pretty fun plates for dark triad men.
Atheisticles 8y ago
All those points can be rebutted but this takes the cake.
unseen1unknown 8y ago
Heh I watched it yesterday, that Eharmony article was really struggling to give good reasons why any self respecting man should date a single mom...hell I had a FWB relationship going on 2 years ago with one who had 2 kids. I only saw her every other weekend and I remember her just constantly trying to get me to go to different social events with her.
Even before I knew of the redpill I was like hell no
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DrXaos 8y ago
Well, technically she's a widow and not a single mother which may have something to say about character.
But back in old days, marriage 1.0 era, widows with children very strongly appreciated any man who would take them and recognized the unequal burden.
snow0616 8y ago
Brilliant article dude, I nailed a single mom once, biggest mistake ever
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snow0616 8y ago
good decision man, they are clever and sneaky
turmoggy 8y ago
The majority of single mothers that I’ve seen are woman who didn’t value character in a man. They expected their irresponsible chad boyfriend to be a responsible husband and father. No logic there. That’s how Sandra bullock became a single mom. Let’s have a child with a man with two baby mammas and history of cheating. Then they get a second chance and you would think that they would step their game up and not go back to something that didn’t work, but they go right back to another douchebag. It’s when they really hit rock bottom they start looking for a decent guy to bail them out.
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I was brought up by a single mother, my father visits 3-4 times a year. With it's negatives it need help me gain character and a lot of independence.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
(Sigh) I'll say it every time this comes up. If you like spinning plates but are 100% against being involved with single moms, you are doing it wrong and leaving out a huge majority of willing and eager plates available to you.
I should do a FR covering my lessons learned on this topic.
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Single moms can be some of the most fucked up individuals you will ever meet. Spend time talking to one and some of the hamstering rationalizations will blow your mind.
Farfromfresh 8y ago
Been there done that, twice.
trowawayyada 8y ago
I've lost count, finally quit doing it a few years ago. Luckily I live in large city which makes it alot easier to find kidless broads.
Like killURego said just date 10yrs younger, it's the only way to go.
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The only one I ever knew stayed with a guy who hit her, got him arrested, and dated him again when he got out. I tried to tell her to abort her first kid, she didn't. The second she was unsure, I told her again. Not sure what she did.
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Just shows you what some women are willing to endure to be with a man they perceive as an alpha. Hitting women is of course not an alpha thing to do, but our perception doesn't matter, hers does.
the_red_scimitar 8y ago
Meh. This is common RP advice. I have plated single moms a number of times, without being the beta bucks guy. I haven't found them any worse than non-moms (of any age, although most of the moms I've dated were in their early 40s), other than their scheduling difficulties.
And by no worse, I mean AWALT. Period.
Cyralea 8y ago
Same. They're low-hanging fruit, especially on dating sites. That said they're a bit of headache. And boring as fuck to talk to, most of the time.
doritoesNcoffee 8y ago
Lol. They act cool sober but after a little bit of alcohol flows, they try to stir the subject towards their kids, show you the photos of them.
Danedina 8y ago
I've got two kids of my own, and in that sense the single mom's are better because they don't get jealous of the time I spend with my daughters. My last LTR could never get comfortable around my kids and there was always blowback after I went on vacation with them. Single moms give you space.
OTOH, pancake tits or boob jobs. Neither of which are ideal.
F_Dingo 8y ago
This article is pointless for anyone with a brain. Long before coming to TRP I knew dating single mothers was stupid; you're going to be swindled into raising some other dudes children.
ramot1 8y ago
"If she took relationships seriously, why is she not together with the father of her children?"
At least the one of the fathers!
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No, my friend. You've got to remember that we're talking about women here. "Loyalty" in this case doesn't necessarily mean the rational, dependent sort of loyalty that we believe in, but rather a more abstract and... "Adaptable" sort. In other words, "loyalty" in this case means fuck all, but you could've surmised as much from reading the first two sentences of this god forsaken article.
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TheRedPillOverdose 8y ago
Yea just today somewhere in a conversation with my mother I tell her that marriage is absolutely not going to ever happen for me for any kind of reason and she starts calling me egoistic and asking me why, I tell her because I don't care to sign some stupid paper to prove something especially when that paper can be used to just fuck me for everything I got if the woman changes her mind about the relationship, so anyway I wreck her and she still keeps going "I still think you should get married". Funny part is she's divorced herself and can't give a single logical reason for me to get married but still wants me to, plus she's mad about me not wanting to "continue our amazing healthy genetics" (have children). Hahaha women are hardcore wired, they are fucking robots man.
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
Mothers are the main culprits for feminizing their own sons into beta providers. It all starts at birth . My mother have tried to make me into a beta bitch provider and it made me hate her forever. I hate single mothers like no other.
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Ugh... In the 1.5 relationship with my ex single mother, those park trips were the worst. I'd have to drive there, pay for all 3 of us, endure this child's poor and ungrateful behaviour ("but I wanted to go ice skating... Not the zoo!"), pretend I was having fun, take them somewhere to eat afterwards and then drive us all home to the have the child's tantrum about going to bed later.
[deleted] 8y ago
Sounds like a complete nightmare.
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I honestly could write an entire post about what a fucken BB loser I've been over the 1.5 years with her.. The amount of shit that got thrown my way, the guilt, the manipulation, the shit tests. Throw in there her own issues (self esteem, depression, baggage, unemployment, 3 kids to 2 different guys)... Its been fucking intense.
It's fucked me up a great deal.
The 2 smartest things I did was always wore a rubber & didn't let her move into my home until she got a job, her kid under control and dealt with some of her personal issues... Sounds reasonable... Guess what? I'm an asshole for not letting her move in according to her!
In her words "if we were living together, all those things would've fallen into place"... No. Life doesn't work like that. You do the work first and then things fall into place.
hebola4lyfe 8y ago
I'm glad you have come to this realization because I was about to post what an idiot you are .
Don't ever get involved with children who aren't yours . Do not spend a dime for them. Focus on yourself and why you are with your plate .
Men have no obligation to sacrifice themselves of their time and money for bastard kids .
[deleted] 8y ago
Do the post. I'm very curious to hear how you escaped
[deleted] 8y ago
I will tomorrow (Australia). I'm drinking now with a new plate.
[deleted] 8y ago
Pls tag me..I wanna make sure I catch it
ferizzi726 8y ago
Shut the fuck up, you're trying way too hard
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Yeah the truth is very politically incorrect.
exit_sandman 8y ago
Yeah, PT is actually one of the pretty solid and unbiased sources out there.
Where some of these articles among them?
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exit_sandman 8y ago
Not trolling, PT got quite a bunch of quoted articles here.
pavista 8y ago
Got any source for these studies? I know this is TRP so saying things like this are just accepted, but I prefer actual studies when making claims like this.
Lemeiux 8y ago
Stefan made a long video on the truth about single moms with citations that's worth checking out.
EDIT:
I also grabbed the following citations from his forum regarding the video.
Marriage/DivorceRatio http://www.cdc.gov/n...21/sr21_024.pdf (page 24) http://www.cdc.gov/n...pp/mv43_09s.pdf (page 9) http://www.cdc.gov/n...pp/mv43_12s.pdf (page 7) http://www.cdc.gov/n...48/nvs48_19.pdf (1999) http://www.cdc.gov/n...47/nvs47_21.pdf (1996-1998) http://www.cdc.gov/n...vsr/mv45_12.pdf (1994-1996) http://www.cdc.gov/n...vsr/mv43_12.pdf (1993-1994) http://www.cdc.gov/n...upp/mv41_13.pdf (1992) http://www.cdc.gov/n...upp/mv40_13.pdf (1991) http://www.cdc.gov/n...orce_tables.htm
Births Outside Marriage http://www.cdc.gov/n...48/nvs48_16.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/n...4/nvsr64_01.pdf http://www.cdc.gov/n...2_09_tables.pdf http://worldfamilyma...ppendix/figure5
Single Motherhood Approval Survey http://www.worldvalu...vey.org/wvs.jsp http://worldfamilyma...pendix/figure13
Do Children Need Two Parents? Survey http://www.worldvalu...vey.org/wvs.jsp http://www.worldfami...pendix/figure14
Values Become Reality http://www.worldvalu...vey.org/wvs.jsp http://worldfamilyma...ppendix/figure5 http://worldfamilyma...pendix/figure13 http://worldfamilyma...pendix/figure14
Children by Family Structure Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Survey; and America’s Children: Key Indicators of National Wellbeing, 2011.
Child Abuse by Family Structure http://www.acf.hhs.g...pdf_jan2010.pdf (page 157)
Child Abuse by Parent http://archive.acf.h...s/cm07/cm07.pdf (Page 29)
Children Living With... https://www.census.g...a/children.html http://www.census.go...s/files/ch6.xls http://www.census.go...aphics/CH-6.pdf http://www.census.go.../hh-fam/ch5.xls
Source: Census Bureau. “Living Arrangements of Children Under 18 Years Old: 1960 to Present.” U.S. Census Bureau, July 1, 2012.
Births Outside Marriage http://www.usgovernm...In_20th_Century
Source: National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Reports, 2011.
Families on Federal Welfare http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2000 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2001 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2002 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2003 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2004 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2005 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2006 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2007 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2008 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2009 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2010 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2011 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2012 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2013 http://www.acf.hhs.g...eload-data-2014
Working Mothers: Age Range of Youngest Child http://www.bls.gov/o...1009_data.htm#b
Working Mothers: Children Under 1 Year Old 2013 - http://www.bls.gov/n...e/pdf/famee.pdf 2000 - https://books.google...2Q4Candpg=PA106 1985 - https://books.google...kCandpg=RA2-PA8 1975 - https://books.google...kCandpg=RA2-PA8 1940 - https://archive.org/...age/72/mode/2up
Negative Outcomes: Poverty http://aspe.hhs.gov/...omeEst/ib.shtml http://factfinder2.c...dprodType=table
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services; ASEP Issue Brief: Information on Poverty and Income Statistics. September 12, 2012
Source: Daniel T. Lichter, Deborah Roempke, and Brian J. Brown, “Is Marriage a Panacea? Union Formation Among Economically Disadvantaged Unwed Mothers,” Social Problems 50 (2003): 60-86.
Source: Robert E. Rector, “Increasing Marriage Will Dramatically Reduce Child Poverty,” The Heritage Foundation, Center for Data Analysis Report, No. 03-06 (May 20, 2003).
Source: Daniel T. Lichter, Deborah Roempke, and Brian J. Brown, “Is Marriage a Panacea? Union Formation Among Economically Disadvantaged Unwed Mothers,” Social Problems 50 (2003): 60-86.
Negative Outcomes: Homeless http://homeless.samh...c_factsheet.pdf https://www.ncjrs.go...iles/172210.pdf
Negative Outcomes:Education http://www.psycholog...t-father-hunger
Source: Tillman, K. H. (2007). Family structure pathways and academic disadvantage among adolescents in stepfamilies. Journal of Marriage and Family. Nord, Christine Winquist, and Jerry West. Fathers’ and Mothers’ Involvement in Their Children’s Schools by Family Type and Resident Status. (NCES 2001-032). Washington, D.C.: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, 2001.
Source: Edward Kruk, Ph.D., “The Vital Importance of Paternal Presence in Children’s Lives.” May 23, 2012.
Negative Outcomes: High School Dropouts https://www.ncjrs.go...iles/172210.pdf http://stateimpact.n...chool-dropouts/
Negative OutcomesChildren Exhibiting Behavioral Disorders https://www.ncjrs.go...iles/172210.pdf
Source: Hofferth, S. L. (2006). Residential father family type and child well-being: investment versus selection. Demography, 43, 53-78.
Source: Osborne, C., and McLanahan, S. (2007). Partnership instability and child well-being. Journal of Marriage and Family, 69, 1065-1083.
Negative Outcomes: Children Exhibiting Behavioral Disorders http://onlinelibrary...2583.x/abstract http://deepblue.lib....2011?sequence=1
Negative Outcomes: Juveniles in State-Operated Correctional Institutions https://www.ncjrs.go...iles/172210.pdf http://www.theatlant...d-crime/265860/ http://bjs.ojp.usdoj...b/pdf/syc87.pdf
Negative OutcomesAdolescent Patients In Chemical Abuse Centers https://www.ncjrs.go...iles/172210.pdf
Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. National Center for Health Statistics. Survey on Child Health. Washington, DC, 1993. Hoffmann, John P. “The Community Context of Family Structure and Adolescent Drug Use.” Journal of Marriage and Family 64 (May 2002): 314-330.
Negative Outcomes: Rapists Motivated with Displaced Anger https://www.ncjrs.go...iles/172210.pdf http://www.canadianc..._Boy_Report.pdf https://www.ncjrs.go....aspx?id=120454 http://www.researchg...a_meta-analysis
Negative Outcomes: Youth Suicides https://www.ncjrs.go...iles/172210.pdf http://www.webmd.com...ld-suicide-risk http://www3.scienceb...F/20033736.html
Source: The Lancet, Jan. 25, 2003 • Gunilla Ringbäck Weitoft, MD, Centre for Epidemiology, the National Board of Health and Welfare, Stockholm, Sweden • Irwin Sandler, PhD, professor of psychology and director of the Prevention Research Center, Arizona State University, Tempe • Douglas G. Jacobs, MD, associate clinical professor of psychiatry, Harvard Medical School; and founder and director, The National Depression Screening Program • Madelyn Gould, PhD, MPH, professor of child psychiatry and public health, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University; and research scientist, New York State Psychiatric Institute.
Negative Outcomes: Crime Source: Stephen Demuth and Susan L. Brown, “Family Structure, Family Processes, and Adolescent Delinquency: The Significance of Parental Absence Versus Parental Gender,” Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency 41, No. 1 (February 2004): 58-81. http://familyfacts.o...lence-and-crime
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Negative Outcomes by Family Dinners Per Week Source: The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University, 2011.
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Infant Death http://news.usf.edu/...?a=2436andz=119
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Source: Do Fathers Matter? by Paul Raeburn
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[deleted] 8y ago
Come on, this is a bit harsh. Maybe the guy she had kids with is dead.
BlueChilli 8y ago
That's a statistical outlier and you know it.