The definitive guide on how to actually dress well.
I would say that apart from coming to TRP game and lifting, that learning how to actually dress well is the largest jump in SMV and success you can have. You can add multiple points to your SMV simply by learning how to dress.
Yes, here on reddit the sub malefashionadvice exists. But is it actually good advice? Is it filtered through a red pilled lens? Let's be real. That sub, like most other reddit subs, is probably inhabited by your typical reddit soyboy nu-male types. Would you take fashion advice from any of the type of guys I just linked to? Probably not.
Like with my Tinder guide, I've seen fashion and style posts here on TRP, some of which are solid, but this post I am making is aimed at being as comprehensive as possible, from start to finish. (note on my Tinder guide: I plan on making a follow up, 2nd post for it addressing the numerous questions I got as well as covering some points I missed)
Preparation
Before you run out and buy hundreds of dollars worth of new clothes, you have to be prepared. A new wardrobe is an investment. While it is possible to go to a thrift store or Goodwill or something and get a new wardrobe that way, its not the most optimal. Just keep in mind that you are going to take a financial hit here.
Another thing you need to be prepared for is your size. If you are fat, or trying to cut, its best not to go out and buy new clothes until you are done cutting/losing weight. Fit matters, and you don't want to buy clothes that will become too loose/baggy after you cut. If you don't plan on cutting or plan on bulking, you should be fine. It will take a while to bulk up to a point where your clothes become too tight/restricting, unlike cutting where it doesn't take much to all of a sudden make your clothes too baggy and loose.
Two conditions must be met before proceeding: Being able to afford new clothes, and having cut down your body fat/weight.
Fit and Size
I think more than anything, fit is what matters most. You want slim fitting clothes that adhere to your sihouette. Baggy, loose clothes won't get it done these days. This goes for everything. Shirts, shorts, pants, and more. Slim fitting clothes work best. Most male clothing brands have "regular fit" or "classic fit" items, and then "slim fit" of the same items. Always go for a slim fit cut if the option is available. Some brands even have "extra slim" alongside the "slim" cut, go for the extra slim.
Obviously you want to be slim yourself. It's hard to get away with wearing slim fit clothes if you are a fat ass. Like I pointed out above, don't buy any clothes until you have cut down.
As far as actual size, for shirts you want to wear the smallest possible size you can. Take whatever size you think works for you, and go 2 sizes smaller and try that shit on. You'd be surprised. How do you know if its too small? You'll know. It will feel too constricting and like its about to rip. The best way to determine is to try on many sizes, take mirror pictures with your smart phone and compare the pictures. You want it to look slim fitting and adhering to your body, but not too tight. This especially goes with t-shirts, you don't want it to look like you are wearing a trash bag, but you don't want it to look like you are wearing tight fitting spandex and trying to show the whole damn world you lift weights.
For pants and shorts and jeans, you don't want the waist to be too constricting, but you want to give yourself some room to grow, especially if you plan on bulking. Belts help here. I usually go an inch or two above my waist measurement. Like with shirts, you want to go with slimmer cuts if available, but not too slim when it comes to jeans and pants. You don't want to look like a hipster douche.
Keep in mind that sizing can vary across brands, and across different items within the brands. For example at Ralph Lauren Polo I wear a medium in their slim fit mesh polos, but a small in their soft polos. I wear a small in J Crew's t-shirts, but a medium in Banana Republics. Moral of the story? TRY EVERYTHING ON.
If you can afford it, get your more expensive items tailored.
Colors and Styles
You mainly want to stick with neutrals and muted colors. Try to avoid bright, bold colors and complex patterns with a lot going on. I'm not saying to avoid bold colors completely, but it shouldn't be the base of your wardrobe.
As far as what neutrals and colors work for you, the best way to do this is to find out your skin undertone. I found this site to be helpful. It's written for girls, but it applies to men too. The easiest way to find your undertone is to go outside and look at the color of your veins on your underarm. If they are more blue-green, you're warm. If they are more blue-purple, you're cool. Myself, I'm warm. Combined with my dark brown hair and light blue eyes, I have a lot of contrast which makes me a "Bright Spring". Then you can google which colors work best for you. Being a bright spring means that bright, bold colors compliment me, but I generally avoid them anyway apart from one or two pieces. I stick with the neutrals and muted colors of my palette.
Where to Shop
You have your malls and your stand alone stores. You have online stores as well. But in my opinion, nothing beats outlet/factory malls. These places are malls in the middle of nowhere(for the most part) that sell items direct from the manufacturer. Meaning you can get these items for much cheaper than you can find in malls, and most of the time these places are having sales. I do pretty much all my shopping at these places. What I can't find in these stores, I buy online. Online is good if you absolutely can't find an item you want in stores, which will happen, but the downside is that you can't try the item on and returns are a pain.
The Outlet Mall I go to has all kinds of stores that work for men all in the same spot. JCrew, Banana Republic, Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hilfiger, Express, H&M, and more. So convienient.
Just make sure to plan out an entire day to go to these places. The first time I went I went a couple hours before close and that was not near enough time. Came back the next day and spent 6 more hours.
Items to Avoid
Here is a list of items I recommend avoiding at all costs. This is not a comprehensive list, I'm sure I forgot some things in here. But at the very least, avoid these, and if you have them, find the nearest fireplace to burn them or take them to Goodwill. Or, keep them and ONLY wear them when the situation calls for it, i.e. only wear athletic sneakers when working out or running, only wear NFL jerseys on Gameday. If you have something to add please let me know and I'll add it.
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Cargo Shorts or Pants
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Sweater Vests
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Pleated Pants
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Graphic T-Shirts
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Football/Basketball Jerseys
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Skater Shoes
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Fedoras
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Smart Watches/Digital Watches
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Athletic/Basketball Sneakers
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Scarves
- Man Purses
Buy Items in 3s
I recommend to buy all of the following items in 3s. That way you have variety and can mix and match all of your items to create a lot of outfit combos. For your 3, buy one neutral, one soft/muted color, and the other is up to you, whether you want to add another neutral, a bolder color, a pattern or stripe style. Just make sure everything you buy goes with everything else color wise.
T-Shirts
T-Shirts are going to be the cornerstone of your closet. Pretty much every retailer will carry these. Some are are higher quality than others, but I've learned that you don't need to spend $20+ on a single t-shirt. I got mine at JCrew and Banana Republic for $9 a pop and they are perfectly fine.
Neckline wise I go with V-Necks for T-Shirts, and Crew Necks for long sleeve. As I pointed out earlier, fit wise you want to thread the needle. You don't want it to be too baggy or you'll look like a slob. You don't want it to be too tight or you'll look like a try hard douche bag. I've found that size Medium from most retailers works best for me.
What I Bought
Banana Republic Short Sleeve Crew Neck T-Shirts(3): Navy, Berry, Charcoal
Banana Republic Short sleeve V-Neck T-Shirts(3): White, Black, Sky Blue
JCrew Long Sleeve Crew Neck T-Shirts(3): White, Black, Gray
Polos
Polos are optional, but I feel are a good, versitale piece to your closet. They can be dressed up or down and work with a lot of situations. When you need something a bit more classy than a t-shirt, but not too dressy like a button up, these are going to be your go-to.
Almost everywhere sells polos. I recommend avoiding the budget brands for polos and stepping up in quality. I got mine at Ralph Lauren Outlet for $35 each. Go with a slim fit cut if you can, because polos typically are not cut slim and can look very baggy. Ralph Lauren's slim fit polo line is known as "Custom Fit" these days. I recommend mesh polos personally, but soft polos can work too.
What I Bought
Ralph Lauren Custom Fit Mesh Polos (3): White, Soft Pink, Blue
Henleys
Short sleeve or long sleeve, it doesn't matter. I prefer long sleeve myself even in warmer months. Henleys are a good look because you can leave them unbuttoned and show off your upper chest. They add a bit more than a typical long sleeve t-shirt does.
What I Bought
American Eagle Long Sleeve Henley (2): Charcoal, Light Blue
Casual Button Downs
These are button down shirts that are not formal or dressy like dress shirts are. These are meant to be a bit more relaxed and casual looking, and don't need to be ironed or pressed. These are perfect for wearing out to the bar or first dates. It makes it look like you give a shit, but not trying too hard. Leave the top couple of buttons unbuttoned to expose your chest, and roll up the sleeves in the summer, which is a good look.
Most retailers will sell these too. They are made from various cloths, such as oxford cloth, linen, and more. They are easy to separate from the dress shirts because they are generally hanging on hangers in the stores, and are sized "S/M/L" instead of numbers. They are also cheaper than dress shirts and the material is different.
I do recommend that you buy at least one of these that is denim, and at least one that is white.
What I Bought
JCrew Slim Button Down Linen Shirt (2): White, Navy
Express Slim Button Down Shirt (2): Light Blue, Denim
Dress Shirts
I really only recommend buying these if you have a need to wear them, i.e. your job. It's nice to have something dressy and formal on hand for an occassion that calls for it, but you only need one. Wearing these in the wrong occassion screams "try-hard" so be careful. They also have to be tucked in because they are longer than the casual version.
The sizing for these shirts is different. The numbers used for sizing are neck and sleeve length. So you have to do some trial and error to know what works, or ask a sales person who can measure you. Most places will have "try on" dress shirts so you don't have to unfold and unpin the already folded up dress shirts off the shelf. Just ask a sales person for them.
Express carries extra slim dress shirts that I believe are affordable and stylish at the same time. I got mine on sale for $30 each.
What I Bought
Express Extra Slim Dress Shirts (6): White, Navy, Light Blue, Soft Pink, Charcoal, Lilac
Turtlenecks
I don't think these get enough play. Sterling Archer has been trying to make these happen and I don't see enough men wearing them. But they work. Use these for colder months but they can be dressed up or down. Just make sure you go with actual turtlenecks instead of the mockneck versions.
What I Bought
Banana Republic Turtlenecks (3): Cream, Black, Navy
Sweaters
In colder months these will be your staples. Even though its colder and you will be wearing more layers, that doesn't mean you want to forget the slim fit part and get baggy sweaters that make it look like you are wearing a trash bag. Make sure what you buy is form fitting. I'd also say mix it up on material/thickness as well. Sweaters can be layered with shirts with collars to create a classy look.
What I Bought
JCrew Sweaters (3): Charcoal, Dark Olive Green, Navy
Sport Coats/Blazers
Like with dress shirts, you may have a job that calls for these and you'll want to buy more. Otherwise one or two is fine. Don't underestimate the power of a sport coat/blazer, they can turn any outfit up a notch or two immediately, even if its over a t-shirt and jeans.
Wherever you buy these I recommend getting measured by the salesperson and making sure you get the right fit, then taking it to a tailor immediately after purchasing. With blazers/sport coats, you are walking a fine, fine line between a fit that flatters and a fit that doesn't flatter.
You don't need to break the bank on these, but if you can afford a place like Men's Wearhouse or Joseph A. Bank, or Brooks Brothers, go ahead. However department stores or places like Express have options that work, too.
What I Bought
Nordstrom Blazers (2): Black, Navy
Jackets/Coats
You'll need these in the winter months. There are many different types of jackets and coats, for various uses.
First and foremost I'll come out and say that I believe every man should invest in a leather jacket. You don't need to spend $1000+ or even $500+. But laying down a few hundred dollars on a leather jacket is a good investment not just for the short term, but the long term. And nothing turns on a woman like a man in a leather jacket. I can't think of a more bad ass looking piece of clothing a man can wear.
I also think every man needs a denim jacket as well. It may not carry the same bad ass appeal that a leather jacket does, but its still bad ass and works with a lot of situations.
Then you might want a cheaper, more casual bomber jacket for casual situations and everyday wear.
LIKE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE: Make sure the fit is right. You don't want to drop coin on a leather jacket only for it to be too baggy.
What I Bought
Nordstrom Leather Jacket (1): Black
JCrew Denim Jacket (1): Denim
Old Navy Nylon Bomber Jacket (1): Charcoal
Shorts
Shorts are a must have for warmer months. The key here is length. You don't want them to be too long. You don't want it to go past the knee. Every man is a different height, but for me, I don't buy anything with larger than a 9 inch inseam. I'm 6'1", and 9 inches is as high as I will go. My sweet spot is closer to 7 inches.
Avoid pleats or cargo pockets. You simply want flat front shorts with 2 side pockets and 2 rear pockets.
JCrew, American Eagle, Abercrombie & Fitch, Old Navy all make good flat front shorts that are affordable. Shorts are also a place you can go a bit more crazy and bold on the colors.
What I Bought
JCrew 9 Inch Flat Front Shorts (1): White
Old Navy 8 Inch Slim Flat Front Shorts (2): Navy, Sea Green
Abercrombie & Fitch 7 Inch Flat Front Shorts (1): Light Blue
Jeans
Jeans will be a must have that can be worn any time of the year so its important you get these right. If nothing else you need a good pair of go-to blue jeans. I highly recommend that this piece be a pair of dark wash slim fit jeans. They go with anything and are dark enough to make a statement.
Make sure all the cuts you buy are slimmer fit. Baggy or loose jeans look dumb but they are the most common types of jeans you will find in stores. You don't have to go full hipster skinny jeans, but at least make sure its slim cut.
One way to really stand out is to buy a pair of white jeans. I know it might sound a bit extreme but if you can pull it off, it works. Especially paired with a black t-shirt. Trust me, girls will love it. I was skeptical at first but gave it a go and the IOIs came like volleys. Just be careful with your underwear when wearing them.
What I Bought
JCrew Slim Jeans (1): Dark Wash
Levi's 511 Slim Jeans (2): White, Black
Pants
A step beyond jeans, these will make you stand out. While there is nothing wrong with jeans, sometimes wearing pants instead will be different, in a good way. A pair of well fitting khaki chinos can go well with everything and can be dressed up or down.
Be careful with your color selections. With pants/chinos, a lot of places will sell all colors of the rainbow. Be safe and pick muted neutrals or colors. Khaki, Olive, Navy, Stone, and a muted Red are the Top 5 in my opinion. Black and White are best left for jeans or dress pants.
What I Bought
JCrew Driggs Slim Fit Chinos (3): Khaki, Olive, Stone
Dress Pants
As with dress shirts and sport coats/blazers, these are optional, really only necessary if you work in an environment that calls for it, otherwise you might just want a pair on hand for an occassion that calls for it.
What I bought
Express Extra Slim Dress Pants (5): Black, Black, Navy, Charcoal, Stone
Shoes
Shoes are very important. Women will look at your shoes and judge you based on them. You can't just expect to throw on a pair of tennis shoes and expect to be viewed fairly.
I think every man should have 4 types of shoes:
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Casual Dress Shoes - Loafers work well.
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Boots - Chukka or Chelsea.
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Sneakers - Nice sneakers, not athletic or basketball sneakers. I do recommend solid white as your color here.
- Athletic Sneakers - For working out/running/physical activity only
And a 5th, if you need it:
- Dress Shoes - Avoid square toes.
If you're wearing shorts, you don't want to wear boots. If you're wearing shorts, you don't want to wear socks, or if you do, make sure its socks that don't show. Use your judgement. For example if you're in Las Vegas and plan on walking up and down the strip in the daytime, its OK to wear athletic sneakers and socks.
Boots paired with dark wash blue jeans or khaki chinos is always a solid masculine look.
What I Bought
Tommy Hilfiger Loafers (1): Brown
Rockport Chukka Boots (1): Brown
Sperry Top Sider Sneakers (1): White
Nike Cross Training Sneakers (1): Black
Nordstrom Dress Shoes (1): Black
Watches
Every man needs to be wearing a wristwatch. Not dumb "Smart" Watches or cheap Digital Watches. A nice, regular analog watch. You don't have to drop thousands on a Rolex or Tag Heuer. There are online vendors that make decent watches at decent prices these days. Ignore the watch snobs who say they suck. I think Vincero and MVMT make affordable watches that spice up a man's look, along with Fossil, Citizen, Seiko and other brands. If you can afford a Rolex, by all means go ahead, but most people don't want to spend that much on a watch.
If you are buying a watch with a metal band, just make sure it matches your skin undertone. Warm undertone you want some kind of gold hue, cool undertone you'll want a silver hue.
Don't go bare wristed again. A watch done right is the most masculine looking accessory a man can wear.
What I bought:
Seiko Watch (1): Gold Case/Black Face/Gold Link Band
MVMT Classic Watch (1): Rose Gold Case/Black Face/Black Leather Band
Vincero Chrono Watch (1): Silver Case/Blue Face/Brown Leather Band
Sunglasses
Like with shoes, women also judge a man on his sunglasses. You don't need to go out and buy a pair of $150 Ray Bans. Just make sure the sunglasses fit your face and style. I have 4 pairs of sunglasses, 3 of which I got for $10 or less at outlet shops. I do have a pair of $150 Ray Bans, which are my go-to, but not all outfits call for them. The right pair of sunglasses with the right outfit can lead to an exponential increase in IOIs.
What I Bought:
Ray Ban Foldable Wayfarer Sunglasses (1): Black
American Eagle Aviator Sunglasses (2): Black, Mirror
JCrew Clubmaster Sunglasses (1): Brown
Accessories
It doesn't hurt to accessorize a bit. You don't have to go all out like a girl, but a good looking necklace or chain or bracelet or rings all can help your overall look. I like to pair a gold chain necklace with a v-neck t-shirt or unbuttoned casual dress shirt. Or a pendant necklace with a crew neck t-shirt. Bracelets work for everything. If you are a cool undertone you'll want to go with a silver chain and silver bracelets, warm undertone go with gold.
Don't forget a brown leather belt either.
What I Bought
Buckle Pendant Necklace (1): Black
Buckle Hemp Cross Necklace (1): Gray
H&M Chain Necklace (1): Gold
JCrew Leather Bracelet (2): White, Brown
H&M Rings (1): Gray
JCrew Leather Belt (2): Brown, Black
Conclusion
As you can see, its an investment. It's not cheap. You don't have to do it all at once. You can chip away at a new wardrobe over time. Know where to shop, find sales, take advantage of clearance racks, sign up for rewards programs at stores, ask for this shit for your birthday/Christmas/etc.
It's worth it, in the end. Some of this shit can be a one time deal. Take care of your clothes and they'll last years. The items I listed won't go out of style, either.
Dressing right and not dressing right can mean several points worth of difference in your SMV. I know it made a huge difference for me. It also greatly helps your confidence and self esteem. If you're confident in your look and style, you'll be confident in other areas. After having spent all this money on clothes, you'll be extra motivated to get out there and actually get your money's worth from your investment. Why spend all this money on clothes if you aren't going to use them to up your style and game and approach?
Go out in public and observe all the men. Most of them are dressed like slobs. It doesn't take much to surpass them.
If nothing else, fit. Fit is king. You can buy a 100% thrift store wardrobe that will work if the fit is on point.
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CurlyMope 5y ago
Hi, Indian female here. Thanks for the wonderful guide, I have saved this. My question is about fit. I am down from 76 kg to 69 in the last two months. Everthing went from tight to loose.
I wear kurta tops and leggings to college. I don't know how to sew but I have a machine at home. Should I learn to take them in a little or just wear them loose.
I am almost halfway through my weightloss journey, I plan to lose another 10 kgs in the next 6 months or so..
Thanks.
SoA_MC 5y ago
Just wear what you can pull off (within reason of course, i.e if you pull of baggier clothes then you will look better in them, simple as that).
I see so many guys wearing super slim pants, that end above the ankle, with loafers and no socks, and it just looks terrible. Loafers are fucking terrible, just no.
GoldAri7 5y ago
I recommend common sense regarding slim/skinny fit. The best at least for me are pants slightly adjusted. Regarding dress shirts, if you are working out properly, off the rack ones won't suit you. The most cost effective thing you can do is find a brand that fits well into the shoulders, chest and arms. Then take it to a tailor and adjust to the waist to make that V look that wet panties
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Freenorthman 5y ago
Slim fit jeans, slim fit basic white v neck, Chelsea boots , visible (good) tattoos, leather or jeans Jacket ... tadaa bitches be wet
ThexNoobx12 5y ago
None of this matters if you're short and unattractive lol. I don't put nearly as much work In to what I wear and I pull bitches on the regular. Just focus on your face and body and you'll be good, granted like I said above you aren't unattractive or short (Under 5"10 here in America/New York) as those two things seem to be deal breakers for most of these hoes now days. When it all comes down to it it's all about genetics and that's pretty much it tbh. Nice list though.
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rightwingboy 5y ago
in my opinion v necks dont look great on guys and i know for a fact most girls my age agree (im 18)
TheHustlingWizard 5y ago
I love my cargo shorts and plain black or white tee. I accessorize it with my Breitling and tucked in 18k white gold chain.
I think those fem shorts with no pockets are super queer. Especially when you fold up the ends, so cute!
ejkej89 5y ago
You are probably some loser who only sits at home who don't know that streetwear fashion is something very hyped and what girls like. And in the streetwear there are many graphic t-shirt and sneakers. And girls love it. I work in this brand and I know it. Especially sneakers. It's the reason why there are many sneakerhead.
But it's when some guys are former incels, don't have their OWN style and try to find some pattern in clothing.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Yep, I'm a loser. You got me. Way to really puff your chest out.
frozen_yogurt_killer 5y ago
Good shit. One criticism:
> Try to avoid bright, bold colors and complex patterns with a lot going on.
Colors are a great way to peacock. Wear a pink shirt to convey confidence. Wear fun colorful socks. If possible, wear a flowery jacket on a date. I'm telling you, it works.
MrWombatt 5y ago
If you're of a tan or darker complexion (like myself), brighter pastels and patterns are your friend.
zevfern 5y ago
This. I have a pink Polo, it gets eyes on me.
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Where do you live/ go out? A pink polo in the south of the U.S. is almost like a uniform for bros. Also depends on the brand, fit, test of your outfit, etc.
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almostshredded 5y ago
Nothing wrong with digital watches, not taking any of this advice until you post a fitpic.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
For working out, sure. But they look tacky in terms of an outfit you'd wear out to meet women.
almostshredded 5y ago
Bro no one is gonna wanna fuck you or not based on your watch. I don't own any nice watches and usually don't wear one and I don't have a problem.
metallicdrama 5y ago
This. I’ve never worn a watch ever. In the age of smartphones a watch is pretentious.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
No one's going to fuck you based on your shoes, either, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't care.
Watches are the main male accessory.
metallicdrama 5y ago
“Nice shoes wanna fuck” said no woman ever. The only women who care about your watch are either going to rob you in your sleep that night or in court ten years later lol.
almostshredded 5y ago
I agree with that, any recommendations on brands?
Youngyoda89 5y ago
Iwatches (a fit watch) actually look sophisticated imo. And there fucking 350$ so I don’t understand why he says they look “tacky”
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Youngyoda89 5y ago
I’ve never had any complaints about it from women so guess it’s a good think I’m not trying to fuck men lol
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Youngyoda89 5y ago
I understand exactly what you’re saying. I don’t wear the watch because I think women will or will not like it. I wear it because I like it and I want to track my calories burned. All I do besides work is workout so I’m usually in gym clothes anyway. I have a brightling watch for when I want to stunt on bitches.
This past year I’ve become obsessed with personal jewelry for myself. I just want a couple of nice peices. I found a good jewelr who gets me wholesale prices. So far I’ve just bought I diamond grill for my top teeth. I don’t care what people think about it. Most people were already saying I look like a thug anyway but since I’ve got this grill even old ass stuck up women smile back at me when I show em the diamonds lol so it works for me. Plus I’ve got an ltr so I’m not looking to pick up just exercise my game and if something fell into my lap I wouldn’t be mad.
VinterBot 5y ago
Depends on the watch, just like any other watch. The Moto 360 v2 is sexy as hell. Apple watch... Not so much.
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theM8inCharacter 5y ago
Agree with 99% of the post, except that a scarf looks really nice if you know how to choose one
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I think they only work on male model tier men.
Aggressive_Beta 5y ago
Wrong, a lot of ugly 70s rockers wore scarves on stage and it looked badass
kanye4pope 5y ago
Go to Uniqlo for your basics. End of story.
FreakyFruit 5y ago
I agree. 80% of my everyday wardrobe is from Uniqlo. Affordable, clean-cut styling that fits me extremely well.
oakleyo0 5y ago
Yep, couldn't agree more, their oxfords are great shirts and have a great cut.
ExistentialDump 5y ago
Tanner Guzy's book on Power through Fashion and aesthetics is a good read for a red pill lens regarding fashion
lorum_ipsum_dolor 5y ago
I see too many guys who take the "super slim fit" thing too far and wind up looking silly.
thedaynos 5y ago
Dude. Girls wanna see ur muscles. Maybe you don't wanna see the guys bodies which is all good but the girls love it. Love.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Because they are too fat, or too skinny.
With the right body, it works.
mattizie 5y ago
That's a copout, with the right body, you could just wear a loin cloth and it works.
Yes, there is such a thing as too skinny with jeans.
My metric is the crotch gap. Mens jeans should not have one. If your jeans are so tight that it's flat where your balls should be, it's too tight. Here is an example of what I mean. Yes, that's a chick, but I've seen guys wear jeans that look like that, before.
Shaney96 5y ago
Even with the right body, go and put on some Topman 'spray-on' skinny jeans and you'll understand 'too slim'.
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Shaney96 5y ago
I know. That wasn't my point. My point was that they sell the skinniest fit I know of, and I class such fit as 'too skinny' even on the 'right body'.
MTNSC1 5y ago
Personally keep wonderiing who are these twigs that can fit into a super slim fit....and even most brands "slim fits" will not fit my shoulders and chest.....hell I am only 6-2 200lbs.
You must be nearly anorexic to fit into "super slim fit".
Noticed that some brands have started resizing their brands as well...current large used to be a medium.
Op says he is 6-2 wearing a medium\small size shirts so that would explain tons...very skinny.
banthrow 5y ago
200 lbs is a lot. It's a super-heavy category in boxing.
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Yeah, anything smaller than a large and the shoulders are too narrow. I tried on a medium button-down today and I could barely move my arms.
If you are a 6'2 person that wears extra slim medium shirts you are either a twig, or those shirts will be in a constant state of vibration from the stress put on them.
Rudeyyyy 5y ago
I’m 5’4 and I wear a medium...
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i_forget_my_userids 5y ago
You sound fatter than you think you are. Slim/XSlim is a cut, not a size. You can get XL extra slim shirts, fatty. Try fitted cut if you need a broader shoulder.
MTNSC1 5y ago
Not fat in the least......just broad shoulders and slim waist....have to get shirts tailored usually.
Tried SLIM fit M, L, XL and none fit shoulders or chest. and regular fit has all that damn fatty cloth around the middle section. So it is usually a regular fit L or XL depending on brand then tailored to remove the waist cloth.
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BrownGummyBear 5y ago
Tailored clothing > anything fancy from any store
An inexpensive tailored suit will look way better than a baggy Prada one for example.
Locoboy713 5y ago
pushing that shit to the limit. lol
Rognin 5y ago
Q: I started my lifting and weight loss back in February. I went from 225 24% BMI fat slob to a 188 13% BMI. I think I could still afford to lose a couple pounds, but I doubt I'll be losing much more in the waist. Should I wait a little more before dishing out a new wardrobe?
filli1aj 5y ago
I'm in the same boat as you. I'm currently at 16% (191lbs) and pushing for 10% (180lbs). I've out-shrunk almost all of my cloths but the plan is to get shirts now and pants later. The way I see it, if you can put on a medium shirt, you're good. Smalls will almost always be too small, so even a 10 pound drop would make medium the preferred fit. But when it comes to pants, 34s are loose and 32s are tight. Losing those 10 extra pounds will be enough to get me comfortably in 32 pants. Once that happens I'm going to get designer jeans and lululemon dress pants. My philosophy is that 185 will be my ideal weight. Cutting below 10% will be needlessly difficult, so when I get to 180 I am going to recomp to 185 which should take months. At that point I will be in maintenance mode for life. At that weight I should be able to reliably get nice cloths that I will not outgrow for years.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I have a really hard time believing you went from 225 24% to 188 13% in 4 months.
I think between 12-13% body fat is probably a good sweet spot to buy clothes at.
Rognin 5y ago
I don't care what you believe honestly. But hiring a personal trainer and dietitian really helped. No cheating two weeks at a time at the mine with gym everyday also helped.
Time to go shopping then. ????
615bachelor 5y ago
I usually wear my Jordan’s 98% of the time I am out so I’ll have to disagree on not wearing athletic shoes. Maybe it will look silly on a grown man in their 40s but for me I’m only 25 and Jordan’s go with my outfits perfect. I can wear a button up or a tank top and Jordan’s will still compliment my outfit. But I am black so that’s probably why lol. It’s our style
fdylan23 5y ago
I wear jordans too, retros work with a lot of outfits.
MrWombatt 5y ago
I'm 38 and still rock sneakers. I also know how to crush any outfit in the process.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I agree Jordans work if you are black
Poof_Wonder 5y ago
Adidas if you are white then?
metallicdrama 5y ago
They work for anyone if your hat matches.
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truedemocracy3 5y ago
WHOA scarves do not belong on that list. If you're wearing them as an accessory like a Im With Her liberal soy boy sure. But if you have a nice winter coat it can give you a really mature look ONLY when it's actually fucking cold outside
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Kushmanfromthehood 5y ago
Do people even notice whether you're wearing a "casual" button down vs a "formal" one?
lemurgel 5y ago
Don't understand why you'd shit on graphic T shirts. When worn casually, with a decent print and fit, they actually look pretty good.
careless93 5y ago
I think it depends on the kind of graphic t-shirts, I have had great experiences wearing shirts from bands like pink floyd, but that would not be the case if the shirt was from MLP.
ding3 5y ago
That’s like your opinion man. There’s no size fits all when it comes to clothes. Literally.
thepontiff_ 5y ago
This is a really great read ????????????????????????
Sqtlol 5y ago
For the love of god, invest in a proper timepiece and don’t settle for the MVMT fashion garbage you listed here. Your timepiece gives away a whole lot about you. Invest in a classic & timeless sporty model that goes with most outfits. If within budget, aim for below. Examples are Rolex Submariner, IWC Portuguese, Breitling Avenger, Longines Hydro Conquest, Tank de Cartier if you have the means to rock it.
Timepieces last a lifetime.
corneliusvanderbilt 5y ago
What brand/where can I get the best value for a watch under $5,000? For a medium height, slim, pastey white boy living on the east coast? I guess skin-tone wise, I'd be considered a "Dark Autumn"...
stvain 5y ago
Yeah the only thing I wanted to add here was a warning not to buy MVMT. Their watches just flat out stop working after a few months.
soonerguy9782 5y ago
Sticking with my Timex Ironman. That's fucking classic for you.
truedemocracy3 5y ago
It also signified beta bux, does it not.
I once used to portray that when going to bars by wearing the classic frat boy uniform of polo button down, khaki pants, whatever. Didn't have trouble but have much more success now playing up the looks with a well fitted vneck and dark jeans
MrWombatt 5y ago
I'll add shoes to this. There's absolutely no sense in wasting money on a pair of shoes that won't last. Save some money and invest in a proper pair that will last. Heck, you can find Allen Edmonds for the same price of a pair of Cole Haan (sometimes less) if you play your cards right.
skeet07 5y ago
Seiko's and NATO's if on a budget.
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dominikklis1 5y ago
What's your opinion on classic GS 5600 (looking for affordable good quality watch)? Is OP advice on avoiding digital watches accurate?
driprickflair 5y ago
I’d go with something like a vintage seiko diver with a NATO strap. An automatic watch will always present nicer than a modern quart plastic piece of crap.
Sqtlol 5y ago
Personally not a fan of digital smartwatches and I don’t encourage you to get one either. Stuff is probably handy and stuff, but it just looks dorky and gives off the «IT-guy» vibe. Women probably think even less of it. If you’re on a budget and looking for something classy that also works as a conversation starter, look into the Seiko Presage Cocktail time. Good quality at a reasonable price with swiss components.
dominikklis1 5y ago
Thats too dressy for me. What do you think about Hamilton Khaki Mechanical and Seiko SNK? Its more appealing to me, Im more into military/rugged style. PS In previous comment I asked you about G Shock 5600, not smart watch. Thanks
Sqtlol 5y ago
The G Shock falls into the same category, in terms of appearance and clunkiness. Avoid it. The Seiko SNK is a fair choice if you like them a little rugged, it’s still masculine and looks like a proper watch (even at its reasonable price point). Just stay clear of digital watches and huge clunky pieces, thats my two cents anyway.
dominikklis1 5y ago
Thank you, I appreciate your advice.
BACONisKEWL 5y ago
Avoid sweater vests at all costs? You’re not doing it right. Sweater vest is a great way to accentuate broad shoulders and a trim waist.
naIamgood 5y ago
All my wardrobe is express that I buy online. I don't have time to shop at 10 different places.
dongpal 5y ago
Ive noticed that looking hot and looking stylish is very different. Same applies for women. I have seen women who wore really good clothes, with awesome colours and design. Really good. Did she look hot with her hot body? No. You know what looks hot? Simple skinny jeans and a tight white tshirt around her tits. Like this.
Same for men. I have seen very stylish men. They look good. But not sexy. Simple white fitting shirt with good fitting jeans looks sexy. Like this.
As you notice, you can look stylish or hot. Second is easier, but obviously need a good body for that.
Locoboy713 5y ago
Some of us will go through a transitional phase based on our physique. Our body go through a good amount of changes with weight lifting and proper diet. Personally, I focused on get my body to a physique I am happy with (went from 5'6" 135 skinny fat to 162 lb "do you somewhat lift" 12% bf in 5 yrs). Looking back, I wasted a shit tons of money on clothes with horrible fitting and style.
NameUser18 5y ago
Sounds like you started where I am now (135, 5’6). Did you bulk or cut first? I’m doing a bulk but struggling with the chubbyness around the belly. Like I can see progress muscle wise, but the belly sticking around is annoying. Did you have the same problem?
Locoboy713 5y ago
I would suggest a slow steady cut until you get rid of your belly fat first. Dial in your nutrition and learn how to set up your macros & count calories. The mistake I made was not patient enough and worries about the “size” too much first. Slow cut and then lean bulk (TDEE + 300 to500). Enjoy the process and newbie gainz. Focus on the big 3 compound lift and be great at them. Cheers
truedemocracy3 5y ago
Most of this is standard advice but still good for any newbies. You'll also see most of this on male fashion advice. Disagree with the necklace and ring bullshit, but that's just me
Yeuf 5y ago
Hey man, the look you described is 100% american white trash attire
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Jonasena 5y ago
Very basic advice that will have you looking like every other chump out there. Your post starts well though with some good points, but the examples you give later to clothes you can buy are not good. Steer clear of H&M/Zara unless you shop basics like socks/undershirts. Watch is the only accessory for a man. No reason not to invest in one that will last you a good while. Sorry to say it but gold necklace and v-neck tshirt is just downright cringe.
sjphi26 5y ago
Correct. This isn’t the 80’s anymore, when a gold necklace was actually something that a man actually wore. And with a v-neck! Just no.
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paperpro20SP 5y ago
tips from my 10/10 redhead gf: White tshirt + skinny jeans remind her of zac efron and it turns her on
band shirt = school shooter
anything from H and M = good for most guys
SureAcanthopterygii 5y ago
Imaginary girlfriends don't really count.
bonusfruit 5y ago
Smart watches are a staple for anyone getting fit. Curious why they are to be avoided. They are expensive, stylish looking, possibly status indicators. What gives
thepontiff_ 5y ago
I know right. I alternate between G shocks and Apple Watches (in the military btw)
Phoenixtorment 5y ago
They look nerdy. Sperg watches. Too gadgety.
Yeuf 5y ago
Post a pic of you wearing all that !
Tasteless betabux
swaglordobama 5y ago
The biggest thing to mention is dress for your city. The classy look is try-hard and faggy in LA, but a staple in NYC. Find out what style the coolest guys in your city are rocking and mimic it.
Also fashion should should either convey class or "I don't give a fuck and I can get away with it." (Both convey high value) Don't aim for the grey area. You want to have flavor. Fuck Tommy Hilfiger and all of those assclown brands. Get some fucked up or sassy t-shirts, shop at thrift stores. Have a few items that allow girls to open you. These should be fun, small and stashable in your pocket.
At the end of the day your the girl chooses you, not your clothes, so don't stress it. Dress how you want.
zealanderx 5y ago
Holy cow-
I forgot about this but I have been to NYC and WOOOW do those women dress stunning. Really something to behold.
ajs_rb26 5y ago
This should be titled “How to dress like a basic metrosexual”
zealanderx 5y ago
And not only that... but it's the "how to dress like a basic metrosexual for white boys 22 years of age" edition
metallicdrama 5y ago
Nice lol. This is how I would dress if I was shitting where I eat and gaming at work.
oliseo 5y ago
True. But this subreddit is about getting laid.
If you want to get laid, and get laid a lot, you have to appeal to the widest audience possible.
However, some of the principles still apply to you if you're into rock music/metal,punk, etc, or whatever sub genre you want to attract Women from.
Myself, personally, I mix up my attire with double denim, bead necklace, bead bracelets, with a muted pattern v-necked t-shirt and a denim shirt, with the sleeves rolled up and some nice solid boots. I look like a freakin rock star, and I act like one.
I have various outfits for all the various groups I'm part of.
Don't limit yourself to one group. The same basic principles apply to whatever theme you want to go for.
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123GO 5y ago
Just no. Never once in my life have I worn a bracelet, tiara or necklace.
Nor have I ever worn a "lilac" crew neck t-shirt.
My God. This is the manosphere?
legedu 5y ago
I wear bracelets and lavender and bang plenty. It's all in how you present your style.
zealanderx 5y ago
Banging plenty is no measure of success my RP acquintance-
I think 123GO knows a few plates that can hook up that tiara for you.
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
So what do you wear? Let me guess, cargo shorts and band or video game hoodies.
ajs_rb26 5y ago
Haha precisely. In all seriousness if I did wear cargo shorts and graphic tees I probably would’ve taken the advice of this post instead of criticizing the unoriginal cookie cutter style. I didn’t mean to offend you but I don’t think telling people to dress like everyone else is helpful. There are some good points in this post like fitting clothes and avoiding “loud” tee shirts, but again this is only useful to people who have absolutely no sense of style and all this information can be found by looking at an Abercrombie catalog lol.
metallicdrama 5y ago
This. I liked OPs post because it’s solid advice depending on the circumstances. But I wouldn’t make this my casual wear. I get by great with the outdoors/lodgy look because it fits my life and personality. Someone dressing like this when it isn’t them wouldn’t help them.
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YaseenNoorani 5y ago
Follow Well Build Style on twitter, he drops concise , simple and good information on this matter
TheCossack 5y ago
Male fashion advice is a great sub simply because of the variety you get. You don't need to follow their guides to the letter. If you're not an idiot you know what you like and what you don't. If you don't think something on the sub would suit you, don't wear it
donkeykong420 5y ago
Not only is it a useful sub, the basic advice is extremely similar to what was written up here.
mytrillosophy 5y ago
But if you don’t shit on every other sub possible, are you even Redpilled?
ImperiallyInclined 5y ago
That was good. You made me laugh..
i_forget_my_userids 5y ago
Gotta shit on redpill too, rookie.
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Orsick 5y ago
malefashionadvice sucks, now here are some tips that you can find on the sidebar of that sub.
rpsheepdog 5y ago
Malefashionadvice is too overwhelming for me, people are into the specifics too much to the point where its hard to get the simple stuff out
mattizie 5y ago
If it's too over whelming for you (it was for me!), then search on that sub for "the basic bastard". It doesn't get any simpler than that.
The most important thing though, is fit. Get the "basic bastard" wardrobe, take it to a tailor, and you'll look good. Not great, just good.
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Extremely_Photogenic 5y ago
Male fashion advice doesn't work if you look like you lift
mattizie 5y ago
It does, but you need to take your clothes to a tailor so that they can be altered to suit your shape.
When I went shopping for my latest jeans, I bought them based on they fit on my thighs (thanks stronglifts), and had this done to them to make them fit at the waist.
Most clothes are made for most people, and most people either don't lift, or are fat.
TheCossack 5y ago
There's nothing that "works." It's all just suggestions. There's jokes that there's a uniform on that sub that people wear but if you don't like it dont wear it. They've got guides and pics for a million different styles. I'm sayin its good bc it's got plenty of suggestions
sjphi26 5y ago
You lost all credibility when you endorsed turtlenecks.
Seriously?
AllTheDevilsAreHere_ 5y ago
Great post. My only point of contention is your bit about outlet malls/stores. When you buy from these places, you're getting an inferior product that was made to be specifically sold at those stores. They'll often have some kind of marking on the label (I believe J Crew sweaters at outlet stores have two or three diamonds underneath the label) and will more often than not have quality control issues or will fall apart in the near future.
If you care more about the brand than the actual quality of the clothing, then by all means, shop at outlets. I would rather try my luck at a thrift store or try on clothes at a regular store and then look for a deal online.
SureAcanthopterygii 5y ago
Chad can wear jean shorts and a dirty wife beater and get laid more in one day than you have your entire life.
metallicdrama 5y ago
Personally I buy my jeans based on crotch space. Comfort is important. Not to be that guy but if you have big junk it’s not socially proper or healthy to confine and squish it. Have to disagree on the slim jeans being an absolute.
I’m pure endomorph and have huge thighs. Baggier fits do look better on me and allow me to move. You look more stupid if you don’t have freedom of movement and can’t move naturally. Otherwise there is some gold here.
I would also say that sometimes having one thing out of place works. Like shoes or sunglasses. Like messy hair with a suit. There are no absolutes. This is a solid outline to follow but every man needs to find what works for him as well.
Thanks OP.
whuttupfoo 5y ago
You start the post off bashing the malefashionadvice subreddit, yet your guide is a complete malefashionadvice starter kit. Very basic Silicon Valley startup engineer style fashion sense. Your style has no personality bro.
tesladexless 5y ago
all I needed to do was to check out the shoe recommendations. "Nike Cross Training Sneakers" was enough for me.
Tapatiogawd 5y ago
dude nailed it on the head lol. this is the forever 21 basic girl guide for men.
laserrrrrr 5y ago
was thinking the same, if this guide is followed you just end up looking like a fast fashion mannequin
Yankees1327 5y ago
Apparently I’m not allowed to wear an Apple Watch anymore who knew
MrWombatt 5y ago
Real talk. Whomever put this together needs to venture out from the outlets and malls.
But, I admire the effort that went into it. So, I'll give it that.
frooschnate 5y ago
Took the words right outta my fingers
truedemocracy3 5y ago
No personality my ass. The average American is such a fucking slob that even this guide of shorts and well fit v necks will get you noticed and you will stand out wherever you go
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Beibo 5y ago
How to dress well if you're over 30, would love to see you wearing an actual outfit of the stuff you bought, seems pretty cringey to me
availableEXCLAMATION 5y ago
I have been wearing my Camo Cargo shorts and pants for years, and almost every girl I know has told me “omg you can’t wear those, take them off, bla bla bla”
Thing is, IDGAF what other people think, I LOVE them and that’s all there is to it. You think I’m going to care about what some chick thinks? Or other guys? Naw. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not some neck beard who is fugly or dresses like a cave person. But sometimes, most times, you gotta do you and be a man.
Ch1pp 5y ago
I think you just gave away your winning strategy.
HipsterGengar 5y ago
Is your thumbnail picture from the I got bored at work wii music video ._.
Politikr 5y ago
I like it, but A TON of this is too specfic. Just be confident and don't try too hard.
banthrow 5y ago
I found that once you get swole and a nice back (but not steroid swole) all clothes fit excellent, it's like you are a mannequin.
watusaym8 5y ago
Tl;dr don't dress like a sperg. Really, dressing nice is not rocket science. Also girls don't care about what you wear that much really. Don't make it a key element. Working out, having a nice skin or overall face / body / even height is more important than how you're dressed. That being said: Don't buy cargo sweatpants. Wear what fits you. If you are thin / athletic, always try wearing the smaller size instead of the larger one. While larger might be comfortable, smaller looks more sexy and compliments your body, if you're not chubby or fat that is.
Also idk why you would want to avoid scarves really. There are some fine scarves in neutral colours (grey, black, white, beige etc.) for men. As long as they are not too colourful they're fine.
Very basic stuff here. That being said, not a bad guide. Just nothing special. You should know this by now. I mean that in the nicest way possible. Many woke people around here.
Edit: Also try to find your own style and what suits you. There is nothing better than feeling great with what you wear. Your confidence will rise and people will look at you not only because you look great, but because your vibe changes when you're out in a fit that you love and think you look great in, no matter if you actually do.
Asktrpthrowaway420 5y ago
Damn this is a good guide. For shoes I'd also recommend Double-Monks. Also, for sunglasses, you can't go wrong with rayban wayfarers, they fit to just about all face types.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
First off, very very good work here.
Tempted to take some photos or link to some outfits to give my other lean red pill brothers some ideas on what works and why.
10211799107 5y ago
Saved. Been having some trouble with being severely colour blind and figuring out how to work on personal style. Also have a thigh problem (34 waist and 388 thigh fit, thanks heavy squats) so shorts and jeans always require a belt. Taking off more than an inch on the waist I was told by my tailor will make the pants look weird.
Anyone with big thighs lemme know how you get around this problem.
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oliseo 5y ago
Can confirm everything in the above.
At 42. I used to be fat, and dress terribly.
Now 45, physically fit, and dress as above, with my own little embelishments.
When I go out, I know I look smart. I feel confident. And as you all know, confidence is everything when attracting the opposite sex.
I get many a compliments on my style. Men see me as a threat, as they should, because I am, to them. But I don't get upset, it's simply because they want to be like me. If a guy is with his girl and giving me evils in a supermarket, etc, I'll simply be super friendly to them both. Try it. It's fun.
But the MAIN thing to take away from the OP if nothing else is to ensure your clothes FIT. That is the single most important thing you can change tomorrow and be leaps ahead of the competition.
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Cefizox 5y ago
UNTUCKit brand is great for us less than tall guys. Makes a huge difference. Doesn’t look sloppy. So many clothes look bad and sloppy untucked.
Edit: spelling. And added a sentence.
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coin_pwr 5y ago
Keep it simple, and fit is key. I also use inspiration from people such as https://www.instagram.com/magic_fox/
As for watches, I recommend the Seiko 007. Good all round versatile watch that can work well from a suit to a casual outfit. Also very affordable.
MusketeerGooby 5y ago
Great advice. Thanks for sharing
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Laughing_in_the_road 5y ago
What ‘s wrong with Cargo pants? I like wearing Cargo pants.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
I go to an engineering school where the median number of sex partners for men is 0 and I would say that most dudes here wear cargo shorts. If you're trying to get laid or have successful friends, it's not a good look. People are looking down on you for wearing them, I promise.
nebder 5y ago
Keep wearing them
-Mr steal your girl
Laughing_in_the_road 5y ago
What is wrong with them ? It wasn’t a rhetorical question
nebder 5y ago
They simply dont look good. Not form fitting and are boxy on the legs with the extra pockets. Why you gonna squat 3 plates if you ain’t gonna show off the goods. Handy if you’re hiking or actually utilizing the pockets. Otherwise they signal idgaf what I look like. Taken the right way that can be sexy but you better pull it off with your face and physique.
In most cases it falls under the “old married dude who stopped caring a long time” look. Usually paired with a fat wife with world class rbf bossing around a beaten down man.
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Dmva100 5y ago
All your clothes should be made from 100% animal skins
zealanderx 5y ago
I wear a cougar that I killed in the woods on my back regularly. I get all the attention all the time.
The bear skin is too big. However, I am lifting trying to fit it.
Otherwise I am all gaiter and other types of leathers.
Good advice.
NicholasSnow 5y ago
I’ll wear a Zeppelin shirt every once in awhile to go for the messy dazed and confused look. Rarely tho
saucey_biscuit 5y ago
Ive actually met 2 girls super into led zeppelin while wearing one. Makes them cooler in my book. Its good to dress nice but you don't need to spend 30 mins planning your outfit if you're just going grocery shopping
nebder 5y ago
Good writeup. Solid advice for a professional clean look.
I’ll add personal style isn’t one size fits all. You gotta fit it to you. I can pull off a cutoff shirt and chucks or oxfords and button ups. I fit my clothes to my intended atmosphere. I’m not prettyboying it up to throw horns at a metal show. I’m not wearing a cutoff unless I’m hitting a dive or other super casual event. Use some sense here.
defyg 5y ago
Context is king when it comes to "dressing well."
DJTrapMatic 5y ago
OP you gotta account for race/ethnicity too. Black men like myself can’t be wearing penny loafers and Nike/ athletic shoes with no socks. You gotta be tripping. I personally was never a big fan of Jordan’s but my older brother who is 30 told me I absolutely must get a pair, cuz that’s the first thing chicks look at is your shoes. I ended up getting a pair of Special edition 11’s, every time I wear them, maybe 3 times a month I always get compliments from ladies.
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Yeah this is targeted for white guys.. no jerseys or b-ball shoes(which I don’t wear anymore but wtf) this is trashhh
Afrofreak1 5y ago
What's your take on dressing for day-to-day at University? The vast majority of guys dress so badly (sandals with socks, sweatpants and a wrinkled t-shirt) that half of my closet is a strict no-go. I usually wear a pair of dark wash jeans with a white t-shirt, sneakers and switch to long sleeve henleys with a jacket when it gets colder. While I do look good and better than the vast majority, there is no "wow factor". All of the good stuff that I would like to wear: nice sweaters, chelseas, casual button downs and even chinos are too "tryhard". Stick with what I've got or go bold?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
That works, just dont overdo it. You dont want to come across as a tryhard. I'd probably avoid casual button downs, but jeans/boots should be fine.
conflagratorX 5y ago
What is wrong with graphic tshirts?
p3n1x 5y ago
Don't use your clothes as a billboard for your personal sense of humor or a way to signal your coolness. It is childish.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
If you wear them in the right context, its fine. Like wearing a sports team t-shirt to a sporting event.
But out and about? It's tacky. Girls won't respond well to your band t-shirt or some obscure video game t-shirt.
metallicdrama 5y ago
I wear gun shirts. Avoids many Liberal broads that are more likely to have STDs or go gray rape on you.
VinterBot 5y ago
I've had great success with this graphic T. (sorry for potato quality, phone's not the best) I've had girls just come up to me and say "Oh I love your T-shirt!" and get going from there. Now maybe they'd come and say they love another object I'm wearing, but this has happened several times now.
Maybe if you're 30+ it's not the right call, but at 24 I see no problem with wearing it.
Youngyoda89 5y ago
I’ve worn several “The Weeknd” concert tees to the gym or to go eat (in a casual setting) and have received compliments from both men and women.
615bachelor 5y ago
I disagree . But I am 25. Maybe it looks tacky for an older man but I can easily go to hot topic and get a graphic tee and have women giving me compliments about my shirt.
painless42 5y ago
One point to add. Suits: buy tailored suits if you can afford them, if you can’t, buy off the rack and then have it tailored. You can usually find at least one little old lady/man in your town who knows how to tailor a suit. Tailoring is far more important than the price of he suit. If you want an example look at Trump, he spends tons of money on suits (Brioni usually) and they look like crap because they’re too big on him. Daniel Craig’s suits in the bond films are a much better guide if you’re looking for a modern but not “skinny” cut.
Soulofbuddha 5y ago
I think certain cargo pants look really good when you are just out and about, casual style, combined with a higher quality hoodie and a cap (a regular cap, not those big hip-hop ones).
venicerocco 5y ago
Nothing wrong with graphic t-shirts.
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It can be used as a talking point, imo. It gives a way for people to start a convo with you easily. Graphic tees should therefore have a strong connection. Favorite band, or images that relate to your hobbies. If you can't talk about it, and a girl comes up to you asking about your epic shirt, you'll just look stupid
Koryphae_ 5y ago
Or if you wear them ironically.
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There is nothing wrong with an Apple Watch.
Get with the times. We are not in the 1900s any more. Nobody needs a fucking watch to tell time when we have cell phones.
Also most these chicks are stupid and don’t even know the difference between expensive watches and cheap, nore or they impressed.
Only reason to wear a normal watch is if your trying to impress other males. Which you are doing something wrong because they should be trying to impress and fit into your frame.
nemege 5y ago
Any thoughts about earrings and tattoos?
615bachelor 5y ago
Women love Tattoos. If you are athletic and fit and have a sleeve then you would swim in Pussy. Go to a real tattoo artist tho.
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nemege 5y ago
thanks for the replies. any thoughts for earrings?
ImQuitingPorn 5y ago
I have my whole right arm tattooed (full sleeve) from shoulder to wrist, and half sleeve on left arm (wrist to elbow) and girls love it. I get many IOI’s and it goes well with my physique.
No bad experiences. Only 60+ oldies might judge you but who gives a fuck about them.
EDIT: Dunno why downvotes. Here’s the pic of tatts
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nebder 5y ago
Piling on to your comment
Fully agree women love them. Guys ask me about them as well. That said, get the art for your own reasons with its own story. Don’t get inked only cuz the ladies like it.
Fully agree on the placement advice.
I have a forearm sleeve. Latin saying in a decent font from wrist to just above the elbow. Looks fine to me in biz casual for work. Covered up in a suit. Doesn’t look out of place to me with rolled sleeves or a polo. Imagine I do get judged for it. It hasn’t stopped me from getting promoted.
I think neck, face and hand tattoos signal low class. I also refuse to get leg tats. I cannot think of a time where I thought that tat is sick I want that on my hands or neck. I have seen some that make me go ok that’s not terrible yet still not my style. The girl trend of getting tatted below & behind the ear absolutely doesn’t do it for me either. That’s my opinion and what I’d do with my body. Everyone else can decide their own ink preference.
Haven’t seen your hand art so it’s quite possible you’re pulling it off. Give you the benefit there.
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ImQuitingPorn 5y ago
Nice tat. How’s the pain there on the wrist?
I have full sleeve and half sleeve on other arm, and I was thinking about wrist tattoo. Is comparable to anything on the arm? I heard they fade quicker tho...
troutmask96 5y ago
Everyone's got their own style jam. I have no interest in many of the brands OP mentions, but the central notion of his excellent post gets it very right: fit is king.
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Sucks that this is targeted for white guys
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Orsick 5y ago
Yeah, but light colors compliment your physique more than dark ones.
ncstaterepted 5y ago
Accurate writeup.
Pro-tip:
Wear your dress shoes at work only, leave them there, and wear an older pair to and from work. Especially great if you can access your office on weekends. That way you can go grab your nice shoes if you get invited to a last minute dress-up event. Other wise, bring them home with you in anticipation. I keep three pairs of shoes at work (brown, black, and a professional blue), and I've had them for 2 years. They still look great.
Same goes for my "going out" shoes. I won't go shopping in my nice loafers, but I'll put them on when I'm heading to a beer garden.
Some guys want to maintain the stylish put together look at all times, because hey, you may bump into a hot chick at the super market. Just prepare to spend more money on new shoes if this is how you roll.
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ncstaterepted 5y ago
For instance my walking shoes are an old pair of black slip on shoes. So even if my belt is brown, I'm rocking black shoes on the way in. Big deal? No. But it's a basic element of male style so there's one less chink in my armor when I get it right.
Ymmv man, I know guys who wear sneakers with holes to work and slide by living their lives.
The main point is saving money. Walking to work in good shoes is convenient but costly in the long run.
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ncstaterepted 5y ago
$800 Italian leather is a great shoe. My issue is holes in the bottom of shoes from walking. I buy $80 shoes at Bass, or Perry Ellis or something like that. If u walk in it, the shoe will still be looking great but with a hole in the bottom, or the sole ungluing because of a wet day.
If an Italian leather shoe can hold up to your walking habits, I'd wear it everywhere
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handfulofnuts 5y ago
Spend a bit more for Meermin, Loake 1880, or Allen Edmonds. Take care of them (conditioner, Saphir polish) and they’ll last a decade or more easily.
My go tos are Loake chukkas and Meermin split toes, both chocolate brown with Dainite soles. They go with literally everything except a business suit or black tie, and I wear them both 2-3x a week. The Loakes I’ve had almost 4 years and they look better every year. Just now getting to the point that I’m thinking about resoling them. The Meermins I’ve had for 2 and they look almost new. With a Dainite sole and proper care you can wear them in light rain, walk all over the city, no problem.
I’ve got some tan wingtips from Ralph Lauren that I spent $330 (on sale) on 9 years ago. Used to wear them all the time when they were my only decent shoes, now only in warmer months because of the color. They’ve easily got another decade in them.
It’s absolutely worth the little bit of extra cash up front to buy good shoes.
DoubleKillGG 5y ago
Plain and conformative. I don't disagree.
drsherbert 5y ago
What if I’m a throwback wigga from the 90’s who likes to go a size up on the waist line so my nuts can hang? I don’t show off my boxers or my ass crack, but I like my leg room. I don’t wanna go thru a radical identity crisis. I like my temp fades and beard lineups. How can I further accentuate my style?
MrVJPman 5y ago
This was really helpful to me! Thanks for your advice! really made a difference in my life.
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I have a problem with shoe selection with shorts. I have the casual loafers that I wear with them, however, this can seem too formal at times, and trainers are too casual. Was thinking of boat shoes. Other options?
quickdigital 5y ago
Loafers are great. But don't sleep on a nice pair of flops/sandals (Sperry/Rainbow) - only thing I wear out to bar in the summer. Sandals are great for a nice idgaf look out at the bars or happy hour.
themidnightfox 5y ago
I’ve noticed boat shoes are fading a little bit lately, and more people are wearing nice sneakers in the same situations they would’ve worn boat shoes a few years ago. I’ve got a white pair of ASICS Gel Lyte V’s that go with literally everything, and I just added a pair of Adidas NMD R1s that I get a ton of compliments on. Having strong “sneaker game” seems very in right now, boat shoes seem played out.
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmk 5y ago
Loafers can pair quite nicely with shorts or causal pants if you get the right style. Check out this article. https://www.gq.com/gallery/loafers-jim-parsons-gq-march-2013
My go to at a bar Friday night is a nice black T, cuffed pants and a pair of loafers. It’s the perfect combo of causal and style.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Boat shoes are fine, but I like the white sneaker example I put.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
Get some nice white lacoste shoes.
PMnewb 5y ago
Got u fam https://www.sperry.com/en/striper-ii-salt-washed-cvo-sneaker/884401466302.html?cid=SEM-G_Shopping_Striper%20II%20Salt%20Washed%20CVO%20Sneaker&kpid=30942M-884401466302&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&adpos=1o1&scid=scplp30942M-884401466302&sc_intid=30942M-884401466302&CID=SEM-SC_Shopping_NonBrnd_Sperry_G_All+Products-PRODUCT+GROUP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrYPl5tjn2wIVB7XACh0CswhDEAQYASABEgK_f_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
CrikeyKay 5y ago
I've got about 4 pairs of these for $30 each.
https://www.shoecarnival.com/mens_levis_miles_ct_casual_sneakers/95930.html
BOGO 1/2 off happens a lot there too.
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Neat_On_The_Rocks 5y ago
This style is my go to with shorts as well, but I can never choose what socks to pair with them. Lately I've been going with no show ankle socks .Thougths?
VinterBot 5y ago
No show is the way to go imo.
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macmeeler 5y ago
Or white socks that show a little bit- they look pretty nifty.
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This is like telling women to buy uggs,sweatpants and Starbucks...BASIC
Arabian_Wolf 5y ago
And if you live in a hot weather, do yourself a favor and only buy T-shirts made from Pima Cotton, they are silky smooth and breathable, they can be more expensive but worth every penny.
Most high end brands use it for their T-shirts.
TRPnab 5y ago
3 watches is silly if you're not a watch guy and can land you in hot water with actual watch guys depending on your environment. Seiko is a safe bet as even watch snobs can't hate on it as far as the movement goes. Tag is generally known for being tacky and attracting novices to the watch game. Rolex, to me, is the first real step a man can make into luxury watches. If you're not ready for that then Cartier tanks go for under 1k GBP if you can haggle.
driprickflair 5y ago
Very true. For the love of God dont waste money on a Tag. Save up for an 80s Datejust or stick to a seiko diver if you don’t wanna drop a few grand.
INTJplus 5y ago
I find it interesting that so many of these lists omit my favorite female clothing attractor - cowboy boots. Nothing gets more attention than some slightly scuffed (means they've been used) horse-kickers with a matching belt, some slim pants and a short-sleeved button-up shirt. My best combination includes cream colored boots (rare, and hard to find), cream stretch belt, light gray slim chinos, and a white shirt with small gray flowers. It always gets attention from women of all ages, and I've had guys pull me aside in clubs to find out where they can get the boots. If you go this route, tailor some pants to the proper length so that they don't bunch when standing, but still reach the top of your foot. Buy boot socks so you don't wear your calves raw. Wear the boots a lot at first to get them to conform to your feet (and scuff them up a bit) and so that you can learn to look natural when walking in them - you have to walk back on your heals and have a purpose in your step. Don't try dancing in them unless you are already good on the floor. Mind you, I am older and can pull it off - I look like I was born with them. You young bucks may at first look like you're trying too hard, but once you grow into them you will find that they are real head turners.
EscortSportage 5y ago
Scarves are very functional in the winter/cold months and also a great way to add style to your outfit.
and what do you mean by avoid "pants" what kind of pants?
truedemocracy3 5y ago
Anyone that has scarves on that list is simply wrong. Literally get the fuck me eyes whenever wearing them in the winter
EscortSportage 5y ago
Not only that, there are so many ways to wear a scarf. Its like a tie, you can go from casually just drapped on you, or tied up around your neck.
truedemocracy3 5y ago
I hope to God OP means California soy boys who wear it with a t shirt, otherwise he is absolutely clueless about traditional masculine style
EscortSportage 5y ago
Same, I can picture the Brooklyn hipster you speak of, holding a coffee in one hand and their iphone in the other T shirt and scarf.
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512165381 5y ago
My tip is - pick a style that will last, and buy the same brands. Then get to know what your size is in those brands. That way you can buy online or even second hand, any you know it will fit.
zevfern 5y ago
Thanks for the jacket recommendations.
ReadyPlayer15 5y ago
What's wrong with pleated pants?
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thebigkick 5y ago
Scarves? I can’t wear a scarf?
Fuck off man.
officerkondo 5y ago
Where does this idea come from?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
If you can't look good in a t-shirt, you won't look good in anything
officerkondo 5y ago
That's great but not a response. I don't understand why a man over the age of 14 would base his wardrobe around t-shirts. Then you go through great pains to say how someone will probably never need dress shirts or dress pants. Then you say if someone "needs" a dress shirt, they need only one. What?
erfarr 5y ago
You forgot to add patagucci to the list. The best quality pullovers/sweaters and if you live in an actually cold climate they are really nice to have and worth the money.
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Am still cutting, but was on MFA. I didn't realize that it's probably BP advice. Thanks so much for this post, you saved me a ton of $$$
BroseppeVerdi 5y ago
Great, comprehensive post. I'm surprised fashion isn't talked about more in this sub.
I disagree on watches, though. I think a nice analog watch in silver or gold is something every man should have available, but I don't think they necessarily go with every ensemble. You also champion Henleys and jeans, for example - I think with a less dressy ensemble like this, a nice, understated black sport watch looks less out of place than something shiny. You should, however, always wear a wristwatch just like you should always wear a belt.
VaultGuy1995 5y ago
Very well written. As far as shorts go, I typically steer clear of them since I'm way shorter than your average man (5'3). How would you recommend that I shop for shorts during warmer months, just go have them tailored above my knee?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Or try to find 5 inch inseams.
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Solipsistic_guy 5y ago
Hey man ! Agree with your post overall, but what’s wrong with a smart watch ? And what would you recommend in its stead ?
TheGloriousL 5y ago
I found a great compromise between the 2 that I wear everyday and it draws tons of attention. It looks like a traditional watch, but has all of the great features of a smart watch. To this day it's the only smart watch I've seen that looks remotely appealing to me.
Hauwei Stainless Steel Watch - its kinda pricey though, I picked it up on sale on Black Friday a couple years ago.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I don't think there is anything wrong with them, perhaps at times they scream "provider" to me, but analogs are just better.
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Orsick 5y ago
This tips look aimed to a college audience, thus Ts
Solipsistic_guy 5y ago
Now that you mention it... I’d just skimmed the article earlier but I now read the accessories bit and have to agree.
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Harness boots, jeans, a T/henley and a leather jacket for winters, lose the jacket in summer.
rivilian 5y ago
Many times it can be a better use of your money long-term to buy less quantity of an item but buy a higher quality piece that will last longer.
"Buy it for life"
theM8inCharacter 5y ago
In terms of shoes, what do you think about the adidas iniki? I just bought a pair in wheat brown color
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
A bit too much for me, but not terrible. IMO sneakers need to be simple.
theM8inCharacter 5y ago
That’s fair. I do love my adidas stan smith. I think iniki can give out a bit of flair without being over the top
broscientologist 5y ago
Check out the gentleman’s gazette. Website/Facebook/instagram
Basically how to dress like an adult
thepontiff_ 5y ago
Great men’s page to follow, learned a lot from GG
LordOfThePiss 5y ago
Don't buy MVMT or Vincero watches though. Seiko is a legit brand though. Do some research and buy a nice mechanical watch from a brand with horological value. MVMT is all marketing, their watches are overpriced and they're all internet marketing hype.
Some brands I'd recommend: Seiko, Orient, Hamilton, Tissot, Certina.
kiwifx 5y ago
Great write up. A few questions and thoughts:
Seems an odd one to strike off the list, I would have thought they'd make the cut if a Turtleneck was in style? Maybe I'm out of touch.
The trend in New Zealand seems to be darker as you mentioned - the ol' blue jeans just don't seem to get the same love they used to get in the 90's - early 00's. Are they back?
WHYYYY must we wear these ugly fucking things? I hate that they seem to have stayed in fashion since the dark ages.. they look like a cobbler's first attempt at a functioning concept of the shoe.
Some thoughts here would be a good addition to the post.
Same as above - I read last week that a tumble dryer is the death of clothing, much better to dry on a clothes hanger. Any thoughts?
As you mentioned, plenty of BP Soy-boy models out there. Who are some guys that RP'ers should be looking to?
DoubleKillGG 5y ago
On the topic of laundering clothes: inside out, cold water, no spin cycle (causes wrinkles), hang dry.
Koryphae_ 5y ago
No spin cycle you mean no centrifuge in the end? Then start drying soaking wet clothes in the apartment or is there some kind of trick? It seems to me that if I am wearing 10$ t shirts I'd rather have them dry by the morning than wait them for to dry for 3 days.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I think Alex Costa does a good job when it comes to fashion, hair and style.
kiwifx 5y ago
What about Alpha.M on Youtube? Ignoring the the inevitable loooong sales pitch on item 5 or 6 in each damn video.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
I love this dude's videos. My favorite trick he taught me is putting a paper towel over the sink when you shave. MAJOR time saver. I'm so frugal, I put my paper towel in a baggy for re-use.
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RPLawyer 5y ago
I own a few high end hats ($200+) and I can definitely rock them with a woolen overcoat and nice dress pants (we have a real winter where I live). Hats have a bad reputation because so many men think that wearing a hat makes them cool. They act like it's an item in a RPG that adds +10 Charisma to their character. In reality, hats look good on men who are attractive and know how to wear it.
No one is ever going to look cool in a $10 Walmart "fedora" with an anime shirt.