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The truth about circumcision is simple. There are practically no benefits and there is a very long list of harms being done by circumcision.

Okay we're done here. Right? No? You have some questions and comments? You want to figure out whether I'm full of shit or not? Okay let's get into this.

Male Sexual Health

Eric Clopper was recently fired from Harvard for trying to expose the truths about circumcision. I've been interested and aware of some of the related facts and this seems like a good time to spread more awareness about what circumcision is and what it isn't.

I know that a lot of people from the united states are circumcised and I understand that this is a very sensitive and personal issue. But also, fuck your feelings. You deserve the truth and to do with that as you want. If you are circumcised and never looked into this, this may make you angry. Do not be alarmed, that only means you are still sane.

Which men get circumcised?

Men who get circumcised as babies typically come from these cultures:

  • Jewish
  • Muslim
  • African
  • American
  • South Korean
  • Philipines
  • Australian
  • Canada

If it doesn't meet one of the above, the chance of being circumcised as baby are less than 10%

See chart: https://imgur.com/a/vCZ2BlH

Is information about circumcision readily available?

Recently someone got fired from harvard for trying to bring to light the scientific data that is known about circumcision. This jewish man is being accused of being an anti-semite for it. Judge for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

Didn't circumcision start for health and hygienic reasons?

Depends on which start you mean. South korea started circumcision 50 years ago, exactly when the United States practically took control over their country post 2nd world war.

The United States started circumcision 90 years ago, when Kellogg (yes from the breakfast) found that circumcision was the best way to reduce masturbation and that despite the harm that circumcision did, the reduction to masturbation was worth it.

Jewish circumcision goes back to ancient egypt about 4000 years. About this circumcision, revered jewish scholar Maimonides wrote:

Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.

or Philo Judaeus:

circumcision is a symbol of two things necessary to our well being 1) the excision of sexual pleasure and 2) to check a man's pride

Okay but it prevents diseases and is more hygienic right?

There is more than little reason to think that this is through fraudulent studies and exaggeration.

So what are the supposed health benefits?

Prevention of:

  • urinary tract infections
  • penile cancer
  • STD's (including HIV)

It takes 100 circumcisions to prevent 1 urinary tract infection (which is easily treated with antibiotics anyways)

It takes between 922-322000 circumcisions to prevent 1 case of penile cancer. (Penile cancer only happens to elderly men and is so rare that they have no idea whether it's 922 or 322000. They have no idea!)

There are deep flaws in the studies about HIV reduction. Studies where rates of circumcised men with HIV were higher were prematurely terminated. They only taught the circumcised group how to use condoms. Many more flaws, see source below.

source: https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=3934

What does the foreskin do?

Sexual:

  1. Provides MAJORITY of male sexual pleasure (densest nerve endings anywhere on the human body, denser than in the clitoris)

  2. Acts as a rolling bearing in masturbation and intercourse

  3. Prevents dyspareunia (painful sex)

  4. Stimulates partner's genitals (6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)

  5. Supplies skin to cover shaft and prevents tightness during erections

  6. Stores pheromones and releases them during arousal

  7. Stores, releases and helps distribute natural lubricants

  8. Provides seal against vaginal wall to contain partner's sex fluids

  9. Makes the glans a visual sign of arousal

Protective:

  1. Protects glans from being keratinized. Keeps them soft and moist.

  2. Protects glans from injury

  3. Protects nerves of glans

  4. Protects against contamination, especially during infancy, and against meatal stenosis as adult

  5. Provides lysosomes bacteriostatic action around the glans

  6. Pigmented - protects unpigmented glans from sunburns

  7. Vascular - protects less vascular glans from frostbite

Other:

  1. Embryologically guides formation of end of penis and urethera

  2. Contributes mass, size and girth

https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=3179

What's the harm of circumcising a penis?

Well besides removing the most sensitive part of a man's body (it has 10,000 - 20,000 nerve endings. The clitoris has 8000 nerve endings. As the huge disparity should tell you between 10,000 and 20,000 is that this is poorly known and hasn't been studied for 50 years) and losing all the functions described above, there is also deep psychological harm done by circumcisions.

  • There is a 51% chance for kids to meet PTSD diagnosis if they've been circumcised. (Iraq war veterans have 20% incidence of PTSD)
  • It changes the brain permanently and irreversably. (higher anxiety, hyperactivity, attention problems, mood disorders)
  • A study by Lander and colleagues (1997) about circumcision without anesthetics (which is not uncommon in practice) had to be stopped because babies began choking or even had seizures from the pain. The post operative pain of infants is severe and persistent.

Source:

http://archive.is/dqOsX

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

Any physical harm?

Like with any surgery, there is a chance for complications. Death is relatively rare, about a 100 per year in the United states (babies circumcised is about a million per year, rough estimate by yours truly).

But there is no legal requirement to record harm done by complications as a result of circumcisions. This should raise immediate alarm bells. It even seems to be the case that some deaths that might well be as a result of circumcision are reported as SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). An expert I've talked to estimated that to be about 100 of the 1500 yearly SIDS to be as a result of circumcision, but I have not yet had a chance to talk about the data with him and I have not been able to verify that claim.

We simply don't know. We don't record the complications of circumcision.

What happens with collected foreskins

They get sold for profit by the hospital for various uses, cosmetics among others.

What this should mean for redpill men

Don't circumcise your sons. Be aware, in the united states in rare occasions, circumcision happens without parent's consent.

Foreskin regeneration is being researched, but probably 16 years from being available (foregen is researching this by using stem cells from your own body).

If you're patient, there are many who can with patient stretch their surrounding skin into becoming a kind of pseudo-foreskin, getting about a third of the benefits from an original foreskin. This is a long process, but the people I've heard from that have done it are quite positive about it and report better sexual experience. This is just anecdotal data though, I should study this more. It might be something you want to look into and if anyone knows more, please share.

And if you're not circumcised and you're considering it... best not to do it if you value your and your partner's sexual pleasure.

Conclusion

Male sexual health is a very understudied subject as the summary above should tell you. Fuck the people that censor and perpetuate this crime against boys.

Cutting of the female genitals is highly stigmatized and illegal while cutting a male's genitals is done for profit, encouraged and is fully legal.

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Edit: I crossed out "(6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)" because it was correctly pointed out that this is from a study with a tainted sample. It was an addition I made to Eric Clopper's work and it was a mistake on my part. One of the studies that Clopper bases the fact that both men and women report more difficulty to orgasm when the male is circumcised is this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947