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- Hide Preview | 666 Comments | submitted 7 months ago by -Fidelio- [Post Locked]

The truth about circumcision is simple. There are practically no benefits and there is a very long list of harms being done by circumcision.

Okay we're done here. Right? No? You have some questions and comments? You want to figure out whether I'm full of shit or not? Okay let's get into this.

Male Sexual Health

Eric Clopper was recently fired from Harvard for trying to expose the truths about circumcision. I've been interested and aware of some of the related facts and this seems like a good time to spread more awareness about what circumcision is and what it isn't.

I know that a lot of people from the united states are circumcised and I understand that this is a very sensitive and personal issue. But also, fuck your feelings. You deserve the truth and to do with that as you want. If you are circumcised and never looked into this, this may make you angry. Do not be alarmed, that only means you are still sane.

Which men get circumcised?

Men who get circumcised as babies typically come from these cultures:

  • Jewish
  • Muslim
  • African
  • American
  • South Korean
  • Philipines
  • Australian
  • Canada

If it doesn't meet one of the above, the chance of being circumcised as baby are less than 10%

See chart: https://imgur.com/a/vCZ2BlH

Is information about circumcision readily available?

Recently someone got fired from harvard for trying to bring to light the scientific data that is known about circumcision. This jewish man is being accused of being an anti-semite for it. Judge for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

Didn't circumcision start for health and hygienic reasons?

Depends on which start you mean. South korea started circumcision 50 years ago, exactly when the United States practically took control over their country post 2nd world war.

The United States started circumcision 90 years ago, when Kellogg (yes from the breakfast) found that circumcision was the best way to reduce masturbation and that despite the harm that circumcision did, the reduction to masturbation was worth it.

Jewish circumcision goes back to ancient egypt about 4000 years. About this circumcision, revered jewish scholar Maimonides wrote:

Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.

or Philo Judaeus:

circumcision is a symbol of two things necessary to our well being 1) the excision of sexual pleasure and 2) to check a man's pride

Okay but it prevents diseases and is more hygienic right?

There is more than little reason to think that this is through fraudulent studies and exaggeration.

So what are the supposed health benefits?

Prevention of:

  • urinary tract infections
  • penile cancer
  • STD's (including HIV)

It takes 100 circumcisions to prevent 1 urinary tract infection (which is easily treated with antibiotics anyways)

It takes between 922-322000 circumcisions to prevent 1 case of penile cancer. (Penile cancer only happens to elderly men and is so rare that they have no idea whether it's 922 or 322000. They have no idea!)

There are deep flaws in the studies about HIV reduction. Studies where rates of circumcised men with HIV were higher were prematurely terminated. They only taught the circumcised group how to use condoms. Many more flaws, see source below.

source: https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=3934

What does the foreskin do?

Sexual:

  1. Provides MAJORITY of male sexual pleasure (densest nerve endings anywhere on the human body, denser than in the clitoris)

  2. Acts as a rolling bearing in masturbation and intercourse

  3. Prevents dyspareunia (painful sex)

  4. Stimulates partner's genitals (6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)

  5. Supplies skin to cover shaft and prevents tightness during erections

  6. Stores pheromones and releases them during arousal

  7. Stores, releases and helps distribute natural lubricants

  8. Provides seal against vaginal wall to contain partner's sex fluids

  9. Makes the glans a visual sign of arousal

Protective:

  1. Protects glans from being keratinized. Keeps them soft and moist.

  2. Protects glans from injury

  3. Protects nerves of glans

  4. Protects against contamination, especially during infancy, and against meatal stenosis as adult

  5. Provides lysosomes bacteriostatic action around the glans

  6. Pigmented - protects unpigmented glans from sunburns

  7. Vascular - protects less vascular glans from frostbite

Other:

  1. Embryologically guides formation of end of penis and urethera

  2. Contributes mass, size and girth

https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=3179

What's the harm of circumcising a penis?

Well besides removing the most sensitive part of a man's body (it has 10,000 - 20,000 nerve endings. The clitoris has 8000 nerve endings. As the huge disparity should tell you between 10,000 and 20,000 is that this is poorly known and hasn't been studied for 50 years) and losing all the functions described above, there is also deep psychological harm done by circumcisions.

  • There is a 51% chance for kids to meet PTSD diagnosis if they've been circumcised. (Iraq war veterans have 20% incidence of PTSD)
  • It changes the brain permanently and irreversably. (higher anxiety, hyperactivity, attention problems, mood disorders)
  • A study by Lander and colleagues (1997) about circumcision without anesthetics (which is not uncommon in practice) had to be stopped because babies began choking or even had seizures from the pain. The post operative pain of infants is severe and persistent.

Source:

http://archive.is/dqOsX

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

Any physical harm?

Like with any surgery, there is a chance for complications. Death is relatively rare, about a 100 per year in the United states (babies circumcised is about a million per year, rough estimate by yours truly).

But there is no legal requirement to record harm done by complications as a result of circumcisions. This should raise immediate alarm bells. It even seems to be the case that some deaths that might well be as a result of circumcision are reported as SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). An expert I've talked to estimated that to be about 100 of the 1500 yearly SIDS to be as a result of circumcision, but I have not yet had a chance to talk about the data with him and I have not been able to verify that claim.

We simply don't know. We don't record the complications of circumcision.

What happens with collected foreskins

They get sold for profit by the hospital for various uses, cosmetics among others.

What this should mean for redpill men

Don't circumcise your sons. Be aware, in the united states in rare occasions, circumcision happens without parent's consent.

Foreskin regeneration is being researched, but probably 16 years from being available (foregen is researching this by using stem cells from your own body).

If you're patient, there are many who can with patient stretch their surrounding skin into becoming a kind of pseudo-foreskin, getting about a third of the benefits from an original foreskin. This is a long process, but the people I've heard from that have done it are quite positive about it and report better sexual experience. This is just anecdotal data though, I should study this more. It might be something you want to look into and if anyone knows more, please share.

And if you're not circumcised and you're considering it... best not to do it if you value your and your partner's sexual pleasure.

Conclusion

Male sexual health is a very understudied subject as the summary above should tell you. Fuck the people that censor and perpetuate this crime against boys.

Cutting of the female genitals is highly stigmatized and illegal while cutting a male's genitals is done for profit, encouraged and is fully legal.

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Edit: I crossed out "(6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)" because it was correctly pointed out that this is from a study with a tainted sample. It was an addition I made to Eric Clopper's work and it was a mistake on my part. One of the studies that Clopper bases the fact that both men and women report more difficulty to orgasm when the male is circumcised is this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

[-] HonestyOverCivility 331 Points 7 months ago

Remove parts of Male Genitals: “Circumcision”

Remove parts of Female Genitals: Female Genital Mutilation!

The fact that men are getting fucked on this is baked right into the wording. Regardless of whether you like the end result or not, the reality that this is being performed on unconsenting infants is reprehensible.

To anyone who is on the fence about this or is pro-circumcision, go find a video of one being performed; I guarantee it’ll change your mind

[-] -Fidelio- 83 Points 7 months ago

Someone recently said it quite well to me:

Female circumcision is unacceptable, taboo and illegal. Male circumcision is encouraged, for profit and fully legal.

[-] Lambdal7 -20 Point 7 months ago

There is a large difference. Female circumcision drastically reduces the ability to have sexual pleasure, male very little if at all, according to studies.

[-] -Fidelio- 15 Points 7 months ago

according to studies

Which studies?

On the other hand this study suggest that male circumcision provides more orgasm difficulty for both men and women when the male if circumcised:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

Also keep in mind that they keep no record of complications.

[-] roosterinflight 11 Points 7 months ago

You're an idiot, then. Do you understand what nerve endings do in your body?

[-] NoDescription4 8 Points 7 months ago

There are many kinds of female circumcisionS.

[-] RoninUnderground 78 Points 7 months ago

To anyone who is on the fence about this or is pro-circumcision, go find a video of one being performed; I guarantee it’ll change your mind

Well, maybe. I was personally present for one when I was in middle school shadowing a surgeon, but I've always been pretty desensitized and detached. Looking back though I remember all the signs of extreme distress in that baby boy, he was in absolute pain and terror and there is no way that can be positive for a person all for an elective procedure. Do not fucking do this to your kids unless you absolutely must. I had a finger amputated under just local anesthetic a few years ago. It was excruciating. I've no doubts that severing a part of you that's packed with more nerve endings than anywhere else in the body would hurt as much or more, and sometimes they don't even anesthetize.

[-] satlinrabbow -16 Point 7 months ago

Well, maybe. I was personally present for one when I was in middle school .

you were a dumb kid then, go do it again now that youre a supposedly well adjusted adult.

I bet you wont do it.

[-] Prophets_Prey 11 Points 7 months ago

Exactly. We should let the children decide themselves if they want to get circumcised. When they're old enough to understand the repercussions of their decision, then they'll choose. It's not fair to have that choice taken from them.

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[-] HonestyOverCivility 19 Points 7 months ago

Understood. Nevertheless, I think it’s perverse when removing part of someone’s genitals is normalized at all in a society. Plus, think of how hypocritical it is when we criticize cultures who practice FGM while simultaneously getting our sons circumcised

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[-] m-lp-ql-m 0 Points 7 months ago

Not if it were normalized. They'd just come up with a name for it and claim it has benefits. "Everybody knows..."

[-] GrapeCulture69 1 Point 7 months ago

Even at that, there are more nerve endings in the foreskin than the exposed part of the clitoris. And not all female circumcision removes clitoral tissue. Many types just remove the clitoral hood, some labia, or makes a ritualistic scratch on the clit. Those are all still banned in the U.S. despite being less invasive than male circumcision. It's pretty weird to me...

[-] BurnerKingYes 6 Points 7 months ago

No, this is a common misconception. The WHO describes four types of FGM with several subtypes. The type most people think of when they hear “FGM” is infibulation, the most severe type.

Less severe types of FGM exist and are very much analogous to male posthectomy. FGM Type IA amputates the female prepuce (clitoral hood) while male posthectomy amputates the male prepuce (foreskin). They are anatomically equivalent procedures.

[-] myopinionisvalid 5 Points 7 months ago

True. It would be equivalent to cutting off inner and outer labia, and keeping clit exposed to the elements and clothing to dry out, and keratinize.

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[-] myopinionisvalid 5 Points 7 months ago

Male Circumcision=cutting off inner and outer labia on women.

Female circumcision = cutting off dickhead on men.

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[-] myopinionisvalid 2 Points 7 months ago

Frenulum is a small connective tissue. You have a frenulum under your tongue and inside your top lip. There are 2 sides to the foreskin. One side is like outer labia, inside would be similar to inner labia. To put a female through the same treatment, she would have to get her clit hood cut off, and any inner labia that extended past her vaginal opening, and her outer lips would have to be kept in a way so it can't protect sensitive nerves from the elements or clothing. But then her vaginal walls would still be protected from air and clothing, so we would have to find a way to keep that opened up and dried out. It is a combination of severing nerve endings, and drying out what you have left.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 156 Points 7 months ago

I hate the way feminists always belittle the importance of this. It's like a litmus test of their true feelings about men... ("A man thing? Oh that's not important...")

Great post, very solid, and I totally agree.

I am circumcised because when I was born in Australia in the 60's it was done for all boys automatically.

But my son is not. Problems? He got an infection when he was two. We bought some medicine and it was gone in a week. Zero problems since then. He's nine now.

I think circumcision is abuse of boys, just as clitoridectomy and infibulation are for girls.

Sadly there's religion and custom involved and it probably won't be until the old guard dies (and I'm in my 50's myself) that our culture will accept the truth - because truth it is.

"it's more hygienic" is as much nonsense at the idea that masturbation sent you blind. And as for the "benefit" of reducing masturbation, masturbation is actually good for you (and your sperm quality)

This old nonsense needs to die.

[-] elucubra 71 Points 7 months ago

Uncut here. Hygienic? Fuck! Just wash it. What about women? Their labia are all folds. Washing isn't that hard.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 42 Points 7 months ago

Good comment!

We don't live in tribes in the desert any more. We have access to showers and baths.

Get rid of outdated laws and customs.

[-] [deleted] 13 Points 7 months ago

Yeah man. 80%of the humans on this planet are retarded. You cant tell right away by looking at them,but they are. It's really something to be aware of. Could be your doctor. It could be your lawyer,sadly. 80% bro. Watch out.

[-] roosterinflight 49 Points 7 months ago

It's the Jews who perpetuate it.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 33 Points 7 months ago

I definitely think that's part of it. Wasn't Germany considering making it illegal about a year ago but there was such a huge outcry from Jews that they relented?

(Could be wrong on this, just a vague recall...)

[-] -Fidelio- 28 Points 7 months ago

No you're right. This happened in 2012. They realised it was illegal based on the fact that it was damaging when no medical necessity for it. It took the jewish lobby only 3 months to get it back legalised and was done so for "religious tolerance".

Take note americans that when it came to court, they did not argue on the basis of any medical benefits, because they knew they would lose that argument. They argued on the basis of religious custom.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 3 Points 7 months ago

Yep that's the one. Thanks.

[-] [deleted] 19 Points 7 months ago

If WW2 had gone their way they would've outlawed it 60 years ago.

[-] roosterinflight 3 Points 7 months ago

Jews don't practice female circumcision, but do so with males. One of those non-medical procedures is accepted, the other is outrage.

????????????

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[-] 3rdtimethecharm67 6 Points 7 months ago

I was 13 when my nephew returned home from the hospital after circumcision. It was readily apparent that he was deeply traumatized and despondent. I did not circumcise my son, not my choice.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 2 Points 7 months ago

Thirteen! Poor little buggar.

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[-] Halitenina 135 Points 7 months ago

I approved this post because the OP attempted to provide some kind of evidence rather than just make wild claims. His "sources" aren't legitimate enough to arrive at any kind of definitive conclusion, but it's a good way to kick off the discussion.

Leave your blind opinions out of this. I expect you to have some kind of evidence, if only anecdotal, in your response.

What happens with collected foreskins

They get sold for profit by the hospital for various uses, cosmetics among others.

I am going to need to see some kind of source on this, though.

[-] Whisper 72 Points 7 months ago

I approved this post because the OP attempted to provide some kind of evidence rather than just make wild claims.

There's where you slipped up.

"Don't cut pieces off infants" is not a "wild claim". It is the default course of action, or, rather, lack of action. As such, it does not require support, because that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

The only reason people might think otherwise is that this is, in certain parts of the world, a common and accepted practice.

But, just in case anyone has forgotten why we are here (TRP), we are here because we realize that being commonplace doesn't make an idea more likely to be correct, or even sane. In fact, we have a term for the rejection of commonplace beliefs which are not supported by observation.

This term is "taking the red pill".

[-] FieldLine 7 Points 7 months ago

Everyone should take note: how an individual chooses to phrase something often offers more insight into his thought process than the actual message he intended to convey.

Most of us suffer from a degree of cognitive bias, artifacts from information fed to us as children. It is essential that you recognize and purge these biases.

[-] -Fidelio- 60 Points 7 months ago

I knew the topic as a whole would be controversial. Thank you for allowing it. I thought it was better to bite the bullet and be straigth and blunt about it.

They get sold for profit by the hospital for various uses, cosmetics among others.

I am going to need to see some kind of source on this, though.

Sorry I thought this was somewhat common knowledge. Sometimes it's easy for me to lose the forest for the trees when I dive into a subject.

  1. Foreskins used in facial cream has been advertised on oprah in 2013

  2. You can purchase foreskin, right now here

  3. Cate Blanchett recently bragged about getting penis facial which is made from korean foreskins
[-] Knogood 17 Points 7 months ago

In my facility they just toss em.

Also Kellogg used acid on clitorius to keep them from feeling good.

[-] wellsking 6 Points 7 months ago

Yeah, but it’s the Korean skincare people that created the product. So the initial buyers of the product were probably other Koreans. This isn’t racial in the slightest, but it is disgusting. Maybe see the fault where it lies, instead of trying to blame rich white women for Korean people mutliating and exploiting their own children

A comment on the article. FYI women are never to blame for anything, not like these rich white women are creating a market for it? Wow just wow lol sick fucks

[-] AlfredKinsey 5 Points 7 months ago

wealthy white women paying for youth harvested from the literal bodies (discarded parts, but still) of POC is truly next-level horrifying

Of course, it can't be horrifying if it's just "boys" or "men" more generally. Even using "people" is an unecessary generalization here.

[-] AlfredKinsey 5 Points 7 months ago

This really shows off the disposability of men and our role as money-making machines in society.

[-] -Fidelio- 3 Points 7 months ago

Heh, going through my history, eh?

I'm glad you found this post, though. Good for you. Definitely agree.

[-] AlfredKinsey 3 Points 7 months ago

I think I read this post before you commented on my own post, but yeah. It's a shame that this guys is getting taken down for speaking out and spreading positive information about circumcision.

[-] Deus_Vultan 15 Points 7 months ago

There are plenty of sources out there. Im surprised every time i find someone able to use internet, not knowing that this barbaric and perverse habit of baby-penis cutting, actually has no real benefit. (the exception being you get to belong to a very backwards ingroup)

[-] adlzdude 13 Points 7 months ago
[-] damnagic 4 Points 7 months ago

https://www.lgcstandards-atcc.org/products/all/CRL-2429

Is this sufficient proof of foreskins being sold as a commercial product? Also note from the above link:

"Age newborn

Gender male

Ethnicity Caucasian"

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[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

If you want sources I'm sure I can find them. But this information is all accurate

[-] FLsurveyor561 1 Point 7 months ago

What does this have to do with TRP though. This whole subreddit had gone to shit in the last couple of years. These posts used to get removed and for good reason.

[-] ruggednugget 0 Points 7 months ago

All of his sources are trash at best. He links a fucking YouTube video.

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[-] Thunderfin -3 Point 7 months ago

This isn't really relevant to the sub's purpose, and will only kindle flames and tension. Not sure what you find so intriguing about all these facts when most of this can just be Googled. Ultimately, due to things like religion and personal beliefs, circumcision is important to many people and it will continue to be this way for quite a long time.

[-] DwightWolftail 130 Points 7 months ago

I never got why they circumcise babies in the USA. And as a child, it seemed pretty disturbing. Not from a visual POV, but from a physical one. When I was a child, it was really irritable for me to touch the head without the foreskin. As you said, it also helps with masturbation, because you can also roll the head. Apart from that, my LTR goes absolutely crazy when I mop her clitoris with my foreskin...

It is really a matter of common sense...

[-] RoninUnderground 77 Points 7 months ago

It is really a matter of common sense...

It should be, but bring it up in a public forum here and all you get is screeching about hygiene, cultural norms, and appearance. Almost no one here who supports the practice gives a fuck that it's not actually necessary and therefore deeply violates the child, especially most men who were themselves cut.

[-] FreyWill 36 Points 7 months ago

That’s because no one wants to admit they might have a mutilated penis.

[-] RoninUnderground 21 Points 7 months ago

For many of the men, yes. The women, hell, the stated reasons vary wildly. Pretty sure I've even seen fringe feminists praise the practice as the first installment of reparations for the original sin of being male.

[-] FreyWill 23 Points 7 months ago

Of course women will jump to appearance. We’re just an accessory to them anyway.

[-] stevemunoz117 3 Points 7 months ago

This right here. It really is a bitter pill to swallow knowing they were cut for no good reason. They grew up in this big lie and they can’t accept it.

[-] joner888 52 Points 7 months ago

Jewish Influence ? Might be the reason. In Europe it's extremely rare to get circumcised unless you have something wrong with your pee pee.

[-] RedHeimdall 43 Points 7 months ago

Bingo. I want reparations from Israel for the theft of my foreskin!

[-] joner888 11 Points 7 months ago

Well they have been getting generations for WW2 since 1946 even "2nd generation" holocaust survivors

[-] I_BET_UR_MAD 19 Points 7 months ago

Israel is extremely influential in US politics but idk if it's reach extends to circumcision. Most of it is Kellogg imo

[-] hivemond 5 Points 7 months ago

I never got why they circumcise babies in the USA.

Jewish Influence ?

No, more like conservative Chritian influence combined with pseudoscience. Dr Kellogg was heavily involved in the Seventh Day Adventist church and pursued a lot of crazy theories. We can pretty much blame American circumcision on him.

He's also the creator of Kellogg's Corn Flakes which is pretty much where "junk food" breakfast cereals got their start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

The christian bible is actually anti-circumcision. Would have been nice if they took that into consideration before doing it to their kids

[-] deville05 43 Points 7 months ago

Mop her clitoris with my foreskin is the best description lol

[-] pisspoordecisions 22 Points 7 months ago

What’s annoying now is most US females find uncircumcised dicks gross

[-] DwightWolftail 18 Points 7 months ago

Really ? Well, I suppose it has to do with how rare it is ..

[-] RisingTideXIII 16 Points 7 months ago

Literally have had a woman talk shot about uncut docks , and then eventually deepthroat my uncut dick sometime later.

We know women will say whatever they have to in the moment, but what they do is what matter

[-] pisspoordecisions 9 Points 7 months ago

My girlfriend and I got in a tif about it cause I told her I’m not circumcising my son if we ever have one - she went and asked all her friends their opinion and they all agreed with her. Except the one in med school for PT, who understands there’s not much benefit to it and told them it’s just aesthetics.

[-] stevemunoz117 2 Points 7 months ago

I’m curious as to what happened to you son. Was the procedure still done? What are her feelings now?

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[-] stevemunoz117 3 Points 7 months ago

They’re just as ignorant and uneducated on the subject like men. They’ve been fed a lie their whole lives.

[-] Phoenixtorment 1 Point 7 months ago

That's just a convenient shit test.

[-] FloorBufferOverflow 15 Points 7 months ago

"mop her clitoris with my foreskin"

I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard this, but ... thanks for the tip

[-] JBo4Three 9 Points 7 months ago

“Thanks for the tip”. I’m dying.

[-] DwightWolftail 6 Points 7 months ago

You're welcome lol. The copyrights are all mine. First time written in the english language though.

[-] ricoue 4 Points 7 months ago

'merica

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[-] nordicpolarbear 126 Points 7 months ago

Thanks for all this great information. This reinforces my decision to not have my son circumcised. So happy for him as I am circumcised and wish that I wasn’t.

[-] TrenGod37 -34 Point 7 months ago

Why? I’m so happy that I’m circumcised. Thank God my rents did that shit and I don’t have to in my older age. And everything is fine with my dick, it looks pretty as hell and women aren’t terrified of it.

All this crazy shit is non sense. I turned out fine and had my shit done

Edit: you can downvote all you want. That doesn’t change the fact that women undoubtably prefer circumcised penis over not. Look at any poll or article it’s almost a 99% to 1% circumcised to not ratio

[-] Ch1pp 54 Points 7 months ago

women aren’t terrified of it

The USA must be a very strange place...

[-] seiretnemeS 16 Points 7 months ago

Only when hand wringing starts intensifying and subverting cultures.

[-] poohead3 13 Points 7 months ago

Always be wary of little hats and big noses.

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

"What should you do if he's uncircumcised?"

Run out of the room, screaming

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[-] TrenGod37 -12 Point 7 months ago

Every girl I ever talked to has never preferred an uncircumcised penis. There’s a reason almost everyone in porn is circumcised.

In fact a lot of women have said thank God youre circumcised or have said ew and talked badly about guys rocking the skin turtleneck.

To each their own. I’m not into penis so I don’t care I’m just glad I am circumcised for plenty of reasons

[-] Ch1pp 16 Points 7 months ago

Yeah, circumcised may be preferred by most but I've never received a terrified reaction to my uncut johnson.

[-] TrenGod37 -4 Point 7 months ago

I mean I hope not that would be traumatizing but best believe most women you been with have been talking about it after the fact. Unless it’s very common in your country.

In the US women get weirded out by it. I recently went to Poland and a lot of the American girl friends of my girlfriend are dating polish guys and their all uncircumcised and they talk about it. And the ones who haven’t experienced it. Get weirded out about it by just talking about it

[-] donkeydodo 22 Points 7 months ago

Why’d you thank God for being circumcised? I mean, if you weren’t you’d probably Thank God for not being circumcised...

[-] TrenGod37 -5 Point 7 months ago

If I wasn’t. I would have to say 100% would get it done when I was old enough to afford it

[-] donkeydodo 24 Points 7 months ago

You just have a biased opinion, you’re dogmatic. Apply critical thinking to yourself, because you don’t know yourself why you’d want to be circumcised. If someone had turned you religious as a child, you’d be one of those who’d stay religious because lack of thinking for yourself; you’d be Christian because everyone else in your family are christians and that’s how it’s always been

[-] TrenGod37 0 Points 7 months ago

It’s funny you say that. I was raised religious. Christian. My mom is extremely religious and I am not.

I know exactly why I’d want to be. Easier to clean. Looks better. Feels better

Although if I wasn’t circumcised and I grew up my opinion might change but I can say the same for you being in my position. So it’s just a matter of preference but your assumption is completely false.

I’m willing to bet most guys who are. Are glad they are. And the ones who aren’t. Are glad they aren’t. But I never actually thought there was guys who wished they weren’t.

[-] donkeydodo 22 Points 7 months ago

Easier to clean

You can’t know that

Looks better

Can’t tell you what to think

Feels better

You don’t know that either. Would probably feel better with a foreskin during sex due to all the nerves in it.

Although if I wasn’t yadda....

That’s exactly my point. The only reason you want to be circumcised is because your environment has preached it into your head to think ”it’s natural”, but come on do you really think that the nature would design us malfunctioning? It’s a hedonistic tradition, and people only stick by it because ’hurrdurr change is scary :((’

[-] TrenGod37 -2 Point 7 months ago

You realize men have nipples right. And an appendix . All of which serve no purpose and was giving to us by nature. So yea I do.

But let’s stop this here and chalk it up as a product of our own environments

[-] donkeydodo 17 Points 7 months ago

Better off, let’s cut off our nipples since they’re not needed!

Nah for real I’m gonna stop now

[-] TrenGod37 -3 Point 7 months ago

I mean they do that with your appendix. You’re comparing apples to oranges. I was just commenting back to your “would nature really design us malfunctioning...” comment. Because yes it would.

You wear clothing you don’t need the tip of your penis protected. Mine isn’t and it’s still there. Only difference is women like looking at and sucking mine more

I mean look

https:// thoughtcatalog. com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2016/10/cut-or-uncut-54-women-reveal-which-sort-of-penis-they-prefer/

It’s even a deal breaker for some. The polls are a no contest on this one. Women do not like your foul smelling ant eater looking dick. There’s one woman who commented positive and that’s because “she heard through a friend that the sex was better.” But the ones who actually experienced it. Say otherwise

[-] donkeydodo 13 Points 7 months ago

Men have the first two stated because everyone is starting out Female, then some convert to male in the stomach.

Men have foreskin to protect the tip of the penis. But yea, let’s cut this

[-] Viernas 15 Points 7 months ago

I'm sorry for you. When I pull back my foreskin in my jeans it hurts to walk around. It's really sensitive and thats how a penis is supposed to feel. You will never experience how pleasure really feels. I'm sorry you were mutilated at birth.

[-] CocaineOnYourClit -7 Point 7 months ago

Lmao u mad women think ur dick looks disgusting

[-] Viernas 10 Points 7 months ago

I could care less what women think. I just care how good I feel and I can't imagine how desensitized your dick is. Sorry.

[-] CocaineOnYourClit -1 Point 7 months ago

As I said, I've experience both. I prefer sex without. The orgasm is more powerful as the head is stimulated more

[-] TrenGod37 7 Points 7 months ago

Don’t bother dude we’re out numbered and they will never see it our way. I never realized how many butt hurt guys with foreskin there were in this world. No wonder why half this sub is angry

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 2 Points 7 months ago

Yeh it's weird, it's almost like they have a complex. If having foreskin was really that much better than why are they trying to go to these lengths to put down guys without foreskins? I think it has to do with the fact that guys with foreskins are shamed by women in popular culture, and women prefer dicks without, so they have to find something to feel better about themselves

[-] TrenGod37 1 Point 7 months ago

That’s what I was thinking

[-] derektwerd 3 Points 7 months ago

The foreskin retracts and exposes the glans during sex, being more sensitive than a circumcised one, I'd say it is more stimulated.

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 2 Points 7 months ago

I've felt both, without foreskin the orgasms feel more powerful. But honestly who cares

[-] NastiN8 7 Points 7 months ago

you've really got to be deranged for defending being misfigured as a positive. nice

[-] m-lp-ql-m 5 Points 7 months ago

The idea that women prefer circumcision has no bearing on whether it's necessary or not. Women have been normalized to it like the rest of society. What if women preferred men with an amputated finger?

[-] Theguygotgame777 117 Points 7 months ago

I thought I was missing nothing by being circumcised. This is pretty fucked up.

[-] MoDuReddit 74 Points 7 months ago

The Redpill of truth is never easy to swallow.

[-] eyewant 54 Points 7 months ago

Im glad this redpill is finally being posted on this sub. I posted it a few years back and circumcised copers didnt want to accept that they had been damaged.

[-] -Fidelio- 41 Points 7 months ago

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, mate.

[-] Reliiq 21 Points 7 months ago

Bad news? Im one of those that got cut because medical reasons, I never had any problem with being cut and yes it looks better that having a foreskin. You make a point about not allowing boys to be cut just because its a fucking ritual, but there are others that might benefit from it, its never just white and black.

[-] meateatercat 15 Points 7 months ago

Speaking as someone who was cut by some Jewish butcher, you only think it looks better because you don't want buyers remorse.

[-] Reliiq 1 Point 7 months ago

No, I think because I see the difference and trying to get something positive out of it. Ive been cut at 16 so I know the whole process - its fucking terrible experience. And no it doesnt make you feel less/lose all senses and other bla bla bla mentioned at OP post. As I said earlier its not worth it for the looks or religious believes, and no kid should ever go through that procedure, unless its a medical condition (in that case you get quality of life improvement just like I did and looks is just a bonus).

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[-] Reliiq -1 Point 7 months ago

I was cut at 16 too btw :) No its not worth it for the kids, I mentioned that. But OP reports exaggerate the "loss of pleasure" just like you did. Visual appearance is just a bonus, no1 should do it for women obviously.

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[-] -Fidelio- 20 Points 7 months ago

gonna need a LOT more to believe that circumcision is the wrong choice.

You might want to start with the video that I linked, a presentation at Harvard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

Or one of the studies I mentioned: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

Or this summary of studies about the psychological effects: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

I'm not claiming credentials or authority on the matter. I am someone who stumbled into this, got curious, tried to challenge my own views repeatedly and came to these conclusions, based on the sources I've used. The sources speak for themselves. I've tried to summarize and explain them to make it easier to read, but if you're skeptical, you can read the sources for yourself.

I'm not flawless (one mistake was found and corrected in this topic). And if you see anything that there is strong reason to not believe, I'd love to hear it. Despite having a strong position, I have an open mind about this and proceed evidence based.

You see that last link? I tried to dig up every study that is mentioned in that article and read 25 of the 30 studies mentioned to see if they were portrayed accurately. (My conclusion was that one wasn't completely accurately portrayed, as it's doubtful how tribal circumcisions in africa and asia can be generalized to teen circumcisions in hospitals in the west).

If you see any more mistakes I'd love to hear it. But yeah, I can not think of a single good reason why you would want to circumcise someone unless your intent is to cause harm.

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[-] roosterinflight 5 Points 7 months ago

OP presents a mountain of evidence that cutting off a part of the body that naturally evolved is bad, and you say there isn't enough evidence? You're an idiot. Evidence is needed to defend circumcision, not the reverse.

You're just trying to cope with your own circumcision, and justify afflicting it on others because it was done to you.

[-] Brokdoidao 2 Points 7 months ago

Dude, this post is not all true. I was uncut my whole life but chose to get a circumcision at 20 years old. It's a much easier life, and my dick was WAAAY too sensitive before circumcision, sex was even painful to the point where I couldn't cum most times.

[-] 52electrons 21 Points 7 months ago

And the difference is, you were an adult and had a choice and made it.

[-] Brokdoidao 3 Points 7 months ago

I know. I'm just saying that to let that guy know he shouldn't be that upset. Being uncut and cut, each has its benefits.

[-] RaidenDark 2 Points 7 months ago

There is evidence aplenty to end this silly tradition, but not enough for you feel like you're missing out. Don't worry about it. There's nothing to be gained by doing so anyway.

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[-] -Fidelio- 91 Points 7 months ago

Stay on top of your game when your son is born too

Good advice.

I've read stories, like for example where a doctor will circumcise the moment the mother went to the bathroom despite repeatedly saying that she didn't want it. Is it possible those stories are made up? Yes. Better safe than sorry, though.

[-] FreeRadical5 53 Points 7 months ago

That's how you get a dead doctor.

[-] StudntRdyTeachrApear 22 Points 7 months ago

Murders go unsolved at an alarming rate.

[-] Prophets_Prey 9 Points 7 months ago

Just another suicide I guess.

[-] Your_Coke_Dealer 3 Points 7 months ago

Doctors have a very high suicide rate I hear

[-] YerubediahRosenbaum 8 Points 7 months ago

Sounds like a textbook case of Sudden Doctor Death Syndrome.

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[-] MushroomTaco 80 Points 7 months ago

Nice one bruv. Routine infant circumcision is evil. Its a Red Pill in its own way. The practice in America was started by people who hated male sexuality so much they were willing to mutilate infants. And it continues because its a great way to scam a couple more bucks out of childbirth, and sell the foreskin for cosmetics. And nobody really gives a fuck.

There are no health benefits in 99.9% of cases. If you think it looks better or you really dont care about the thousands of lost nerve endings, go ahead and snip your shit. But dont force it on an infant.

[-] MoDuReddit 22 Points 7 months ago

sell the foreskin for cosmetics

That sounds really disgusting, is it really the case? I thought it was bad enough when I learned that Rabbis used to suck the blood of the infants when they cut their dicks.

[-] MushroomTaco 24 Points 7 months ago

Yep, its not common knowledge, but you can find articles about it on all the anticirc sites of course, but even cuck sites like Huffpo and Jezebel have written about it. And the sucking baby dicks thing hasnt gone away either. There was a baby a couple years ago in NYC who got herpes from it. Sick.

[-] F0rward- 11 Points 7 months ago

Sucking baby dicks? Elaborate?

Edit: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/history-blood-sucking-circumcision-ritual-article-1.3014678

Wow that's fucking weird

[-] -Fidelio- 22 Points 7 months ago

Yes, just google oprah + foreskin or cate blanchett + foreskin.

Alternatively go to the sticky at the top of these comments. I've placed a reply with some links.

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[-] drbldmny 1 Point 7 months ago

it's a jewish pedophilia ritual

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 75 Points 7 months ago

I'm circumcised, never had any problems and have only received compliments on it from women, and I live in a country where 99% of men are not circumcised. Would get circumcised again . But I agree that we shouldn't perform it on children who cannot consent to it

[-] RoninUnderground 59 Points 7 months ago

But I agree that we shouldn't perform it on children who cannot consent to it

This is exactly the problem in the US. I have zero problem with adults choosing to lop off any part of themselves they like as long as I don't have to pay for it. I don't even mind if parents have a conversation with their kids about having it done and maybe ultimately have it done, but the kid needs a lot more say in it and the only thing an infant will do is protest. I've seen it, it's pretty horrifying really. The way boys scream while strapped to that table you might as well be murdering them slowly. To claim there isn't pain or trauma associated with it is either supremely ignorant or willfully malicious.

[-] -Fidelio- 16 Points 7 months ago

Were you circumcised as an infant or were you circumcised later in life? If later, before or after you had your first sexual experience?

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 11 Points 7 months ago

Not as an infant, it was after 2 sexual experiences. Not too much difference in the quality of sex. I feel like the orgasms are more powerful (sometimes too much when it feels like my glands are getting crushed when I cum inside). However I last a bit longer and masturbation is now impossible without lube

[-] -Fidelio- 22 Points 7 months ago

masturbation is now impossible without lube

This definitely seems like a common trend. Thanks for sharing.

Interesting about the different (more powerful!) orgasm experience.

[-] LiftingShithead 11 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised for medical reasons 4years ago. I don‘t know what it is called in English. Basically my foreskin had a white ring underneath that got tighter so i get checked and told a circumcision is necessary.

I had sexual experiences in a 1,5year-relationship before that.

I would say that i got a bit less sensitive. I miss the feeling on the foreskin a bit but sex and masturbation both work fine.

[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

I believe the condition you're referring to is phimosis. And it's a lie that it requires circumcision. There's about a dozen different ways to treat it without cutting the most sensitive part of your penis off. And I hate to have to tell you, but as a cut guy I know, the sensitivity will only decrease with time as your glands dry out and become keritinized

[-] LiftingShithead 1 Point 6 months ago

You are right, i read that there were different ways for treatment after the operation. How long is your operation ago? Will the sensitive decrease consistently or will it stop decreasing at some point?

[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

I was cut at birth. And I have noticed a relatively consistent decline over time. Tiny bits here and there, but it definitely adds up. The decrease in sensitivity over 20 years is enough that I cant actually achieve orgasm during sex. Eventually the glands will become keratinized enough that it cant decrease any more than it has. Options to treat/prevent this include foreskin restoration as your best option, or something like the man hood https://manhoodcanada.com/ for the short term.

[-] LiftingShithead 1 Point 6 months ago

I can clearly feel less sensitivity and it‘s harder to get an erection but i wasn‘t sure if the second part was because of the circumcision or just psychological. I don‘t feel like i have a harder time to cum tho. Thank you for the insights!

[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

Having a harder time reaching orgasm won't be a sudden thing. Like the loss of sensitivity it'll happen over time.

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[-] MoDuReddit 16 Points 7 months ago

masturbation is now impossible without lube

Not that you should be wanking all the time, but that spells like a disability to me. You know what they do with women who can't orgasm? They prod electric needles into their spine to directly stimulate a deep orgasm.

You guys cut off part of your dick (no judging) and you need to go to the pharmacy to be able to wank.

[-] eyewant 6 Points 7 months ago

Maturbation without lube is impossible for me too. Circumcision is destructive.

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[-] jmg83 3 Points 7 months ago

That's how I see it, a disability. I, too, have trouble in that area. It's always been like this for me, though. I recently purchased this device , and I wish I'd owned one of these 20, or even 10 years ago, it's amazing. I actually feel pleasure during masturbation, not pain, and I can actually cum from it.

[-] MoDuReddit 2 Points 7 months ago

Glad to hear you found comfort. We all have our cards of life dealt, now we need to make the best of it.

[-] jmg83 1 Point 7 months ago

That's all we can do. I'll always despise the fact that this was done to me, but I can't fix it.

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[-] satlinrabbow -5 Point 7 months ago

So this is your argument as to why circumsision is ok.

GET THE FUCK OUT!

Go back to 2x Faggot.

[-] MoDuReddit 3 Points 7 months ago

Thanks for you concern, but I wasn't born the in states, so my dick is still intact.

Fuck infant mutilation, do that shit to yourself if you want to.

[-] SuwinTzi 10 Points 7 months ago

I'm cut but I can jerk it w/o lube? What do you mean by its impossible?

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 0 Points 7 months ago

I guess it depends on how your cut. Do u use spit? Because with lube I meant spit aswell

[-] SuwinTzi 10 Points 7 months ago

I use no lube at all. And no idea if there that there were different kinds of cuts?

[-] jmg83 1 Point 7 months ago

Yeah, there are. If you choose to get it done as an adult, you can choose how much you want cut off. If you're a baby, the so-called doctor cuts off whatever he/she wants to cut off.

[-] SuwinTzi 1 Point 7 months ago

Well i had it done as an infant, and as far as i can tell have had no effect on sensitivity, or necessicitating lube for wanking it.

[-] jmg83 1 Point 7 months ago

You were lucky. I had to have an op a few years ago because of it. I was having a procedure on my penis to minimise damage from a procedure that I neither needed, nor want(ed).

[-] SuwinTzi 1 Point 7 months ago

Again, no point of reference on my end, but seeing the talk about how it's to discourage masturbation makes me chuckle cause up my teen years were... I think a personal record was blowing 10 loads in under an hour?

My first time went 5 nonstop, could've gone to 6 but had to wake early and it was already 0200.

[-] LucianFarsky 0 Points 6 months ago

Of course you cant tell if there was an effect on sensitivity, you have nothing to complain about. Many people have really tight cuts, which can cause a lot of pain and even bleeding if they masterbate without lube

[-] ApwoperMuser 3 Points 7 months ago

Why did you get circumcised? Did you get your frenulum removed?

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[-] -DeadLock 3 Points 7 months ago

You probably have a circumcision that isnt severe. I have scarring until halfway down my shaft and all the nerves scraped away. I only learned to ejaculate at age 17 and I have never been able to cum in a woman. It really makes my head spin and reading about it easily tumbles me into a depressed mood for weeks .. Gotta go... But please stop ... Because I can virtually guarantee they didnt scrape away as much as they did for me.. And getting complements from women about it.... Not a good enough reason to promote mutilation of male genitalia.

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 1 Point 7 months ago

The problems you have had with circumcised, and I'm sorry that you have them, are very rare though

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[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

Not that rare. Myself. And at least a dozen other people I know suffer very similar experiences

[-] Viernas 2 Points 7 months ago

I'm sorry for you. When I pull back my foreskin in my jeans it hurts to walk around. It's really sensitive and thats how a penis is supposed to feel. You will never experience how pleasure really feels. I'm sorry you were mutilated at birth.

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 5 Points 7 months ago

You will never experience how pleasure really feels

Lol as I said before, I was circumcised after I've already had sexual experiences. The sex wasn't noticeably different apart from orgasms being more powerful, and on rare occasions my glands feeling like they are getting crushed when I cum inside. Find some other arbitrary thing to put down others with and feel better about yourself and your miserable life

[-] allSmallThings 1 Point 7 months ago

Adult circumcision is very different from infant circumcision.

For the adult, they usually only remove problem areas, and the most sensitive frenulum (the male clitoris) , is left in place.

In infant circumcision, they remove 20-50% of the penis tissue (yeah crazy). A baby penis is so tiny, you can't see where you are cutting. The procedure has no special surgeons or standards, and results are very random, as well as sometimes severe injuries . The frenulum and most of the sensitive tissue is chopped off in infant circumcision.

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[-] Viernas -1 Point 7 months ago

Its a fact, when your glans are not being covered, they get desensitized, thus you feel less pleasure when they get to that state.

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 2 Points 7 months ago

Okay buddy boyo, repeating something makes true, now you can feel good about your miserable life. go back to playing dota 2 now boyo

[-] 1v1crown 0 Points 7 months ago

I agree with you and I am in the same boat.

[-] InterNetting -1 Point 7 months ago

You might not have any noticeable problems, but you'll never experience being uncircumcised to know the difference. It's like saying your old beater car is wonderful because it's never given you any problems. But if you've never driven a S-class Benz, you'll never know the difference.

[-] 1by1is3 3 Points 7 months ago

What you are talking about is the difference between an S class and AMG GT.. two different experiences, yet I don't see how one is better over the other. S class owners talk about how you are losing out on luxury while AMG GT owners would tell you performance is everything.

Which is better?

[-] InterNetting 1 Point 7 months ago

Sure, and if OP's pros and cons were like features on a car, which would you rather have?

[-] 1by1is3 -2 Point 7 months ago

I like performance cars over luxury. Although I ave friends who prefer luxury over performance, it's a matter of taste.

You can lament the fact about performance cars about how the ride is stiff or the range low or how there are less modern luxury features and write a list of cons. The same with luxury cars.

This circumcision debate is a massive waste of valuable time because most circumcised guys don't have a problem at all with it.

[-] InterNetting 4 Points 7 months ago

Yes it is, but you're wrong. What would make a car lacking all of those features a performance vehicle? If anything it would be a bare bones hotrod my boy

[-] 1by1is3 -1 Point 7 months ago

Most Ferraris did not even have automatic windows or air conditioning until recently.

Did that stop people from buying Ferraris? No.

[-] InterNetting 6 Points 7 months ago

Invalid. There's nothing about circumcision that makes the penis increase in performance, only decrease. The only factor you've got is looks. Hence, hotrod.

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[-] Deus_Vultan 4 Points 7 months ago

So is the rape debate, and murder debate, and weather debate, since most people dont have a problem with this, we should also allow this barbarism of cutting baby-penises to prevent masturbation?

[-] 1by1is3 1 Point 7 months ago

Maybe if it was difficult to fap, one would go forth and actually put in an effort to have sex and multiply rather than becoming an incel.

[-] Deus_Vultan 2 Points 7 months ago

Male genital mutilation has been going on for what, 2000 years? Ok you dont know history or anything about chemistry, thats ok. But you must realize defending Cutting baby genitalia because of "moral" or "custom" seems odd from the outside.

[-] 1by1is3 1 Point 7 months ago

I am a amoral person. What seems odd to some may be norm for others.

[-] pevans12 1 Point 7 months ago

That’s a fair way of looking at it

[-] CocaineOnYourClit 2 Points 7 months ago

Lmao I was circumsized at 17, after sexual experiences. As I said earlier the sex isnt much different, except the orgasms are more powerful now and sometimes (rarely) too much to the point where my glands feel like they are getting crushed. I dont know what it is with uncircumcised guys who always want to feel better about themselves for not being circumcised

[-] InterNetting 6 Points 7 months ago

Oh no buddy, I don't have to do that. Everything that OP has pointed out in his post has done that already. And my point may not apply to you personally, but it's still valid.

[-] CocaineOnYourClit -1 Point 7 months ago

Everything that OP has pointed out in his post has done that already.

Not really

And my point may not apply to you personally, but it's still valid.

No it isnt, the majority of people who were circumcised after being uncircumcised say the same thing. The sex isnt noticeably different. But if it makes you feel better for being pathetic, keep telling yourself that

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Some men who get married don't get divorce raped, but that doesn't mean you should do it.

[-] xNightly 56 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised when I was a baby. Is this shit for real? Kinda makes me pissed off with my parents.

[-] -Fidelio- 53 Points 7 months ago

They might have been misinformed by a doctor. It was hard to find out these kind of things pre-internet. You might want to talk with them and find out their choices before judging them.

[-] xNightly 30 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised due to religion (Islam). Won't lie, I've never had an issue with it to this day but if what you mentioned above is true, especially the sensitivity part, it kind of makes me feel like I've missed out.

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[-] -Fidelio- 28 Points 7 months ago

This. Don't talk yourself into problems if you're not experiencing any with it. Just break the cycle.

[-] iqbal002 10 Points 7 months ago

Me too got cut due to religion(Islam) but now I m thinking of ways to save my son !

[-] deville05 22 Points 7 months ago

Don't be.. the info is only jsut coming out. It will take another 20-30 years to change minds. Your parents are just doing what they know

[-] midnightreider 13 Points 7 months ago

Exactly. This post created some brief resentment with my parents but then I remember when I was a kid my father telling me I was circumcised and that the doctors really pushed it when I was born. My parents didn’t know better.

[-] HannibalBacara 52 Points 7 months ago

Not salty about myself being circumcised (can’t do anything about it now and I’ve had plenty of women compliment me on “my looks”), but this shit gotta stop. Literally the exact same thing as female genital mutilation but seen in an entirely different light.

[-] thomascoopers 10 Points 7 months ago

Honestly, that's why it's almost more dangerous - male genital mutilation is still seen as socially acceptable to a frightening amount of people.

My good friend is dating a staunch feminist and she sees no issue with MGM. But she's a decent 9/10, so.

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[-] RoninUnderground 37 Points 7 months ago

Background: I was cut at birth like so many, I always thought this was a good thing, family always said this was the right way. I eventually dug into the topic like OP and completely changed my take on it.

So get this. When I presented some of this to an ex of mine while we were dating she got angry with me and claimed I was selfish for wanting to have had my bodily autonomy respected and wanting to experience sexual pleasure as nature intended. She was never that bright though. edit: Case in point she never could grasp how I could detest that it was done to me but not hate my penis. Am I a man or aren't I? A man does the best fucking he can with what he's got.

Don't be stupid. Don't ignore this. Exercise due diligence and research, no one can make you reach the same conclusion, but we can present you with new information and if you're really red pill then you'll critically assess its validity and implications.

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[-] KrustyKrabReject 11 Points 7 months ago

Were the healthcare workers pushy about it?

[-] allSmallThings 11 Points 7 months ago

Every day so-called "health care" bastards are pushing circumcision. Also see what's going on in the Philippines with young teenagers, and in Africa with the WHO. I've spoken with several parents about this and they were pressured, lied to, or manipulated, at a very vulnerable moment right after the birth.

Also watch out for pressure and guilt from family members. This is a sick obsession. The mutilation of children must stop.

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] allSmallThings 2 Points 7 months ago

Congratulations! Glad you stuck to your guns.

[-] stevemunoz117 1 Point 7 months ago

May I ask where you’re from? In my case I declined the procedure. I mentioned it verbally and wrote it on paper when signing documents. That was the end of it.

[-] ELEPHANTIUSCOCKIUS 32 Points 7 months ago

Interesting stuff! Thanks for including Canada in your list too, usually gets lumped into the states. Circumcision is and odd scenario in regards to the social implications. I know a few guys that are uncircumcised, while the majority including myself are. The guys with a foreskin are usually teased a fair amount about it, and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t part of that at sometime. Even though the benefits are in the favour of the uncircumcised, the majority will try and diminish it.

Another fact I think is over looked but they you touched on a bit is the psychological impact of the actual procedure. The entire hospital birth process is supposedly an disruptive and harsh process for a newborn. I imagine mutilating the genitals has a lasting impact, even if we aren’t able to recall the specific memory.

[-] Andrusz 8 Points 7 months ago

It's funny you mentioned getting "teased" for not being circumcised as a youth in Canada, but I remember very vividly being teased by my peers as a youth for that very reason and it never sat well with me until I finally started to have sex.

Once I began having sex however all that changed.

[-] Your_Coke_Dealer 1 Point 7 months ago

The social implications are rarely bad for not being circumcised, but in one instance I remember, hilarious.

One of my friends pantsed another friend, and another onlooker was so surprised to see the pantsed friend was uncircumcised that he went off “holy fuck, this nigga ain’t cut! This nigga ain’t cut!” Alcohol was involved.

[-] oneorigin 29 Points 7 months ago

Better repost it to women's subs, because cut men have an inferiority complex, that makes them ignore truth, and force circumcision to their kids.

Uncut men in non-barbarian countries view this practice as barbarian or as a religious insanity.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 40 Points 7 months ago

I'm cut but I made sure my son wasn't.

Some of us can see the truth.

[-] [deleted] 24 Points 7 months ago

Every smokescreen in the book is thrown up by cut men trying to get out of Plato's cave with zero means to, only then claiming the cave is better and the real losers are outside of it all the while being completely ignorant to the natural anatomy and ignoring any argument otherwise when cutting their own kid. Break. The. Cycle.

[-] -Fidelio- 7 Points 7 months ago

It's never easy to accept topics that go against what you've previously been told, because it also asks the person to accept that their parents/ doctor lied to them or unwittingly misinformed them. I think a high degree of skepticism is natural and healthy.

Although I hope they also apply that skepticism to the claims they had formerly accepted as truth.

[-] alisemihc 1 Point 7 months ago

You guys really exagarated this a bit much

[-] RoninUnderground 28 Points 7 months ago

I was cut, thought it was totally normal and even a good thing. I've done my own research and while some studies list slightly different rates of things like partner satisfaction, incidence of complications, etc. the conclusion is still perfectly clear to me. OP is correct, there is zero compelling reason to do this to your son except in dire medical need. Claims of hygiene are overstated, learn how to wash your kid properly instead of cutting him up. If he has phimosis it typically won't show up until much later when he can consciously deal with the pain and simple treatment options rather than remove that choice from him in a painful and traumatizing way. Many people say "But if you do it at birth he won't remember it!" That's exactly one of the big problems, unpacking and healing trauma from a source you can't recall in any detail is some of the hardest to overcome. What's worse for me is I didn't realize this until it was too late for my son. Don't ignore this.

[-] MushroomTaco 32 Points 7 months ago

"They wont remember it!"

If you tried that line with a judge after roofieing and raping a chick i doubt he would take it very well.

[-] RoninUnderground 13 Points 7 months ago

It belies the assumed innocence of the procedure. They also stupidly believe that not remembering something in the way adults remember things means that it has no effect. A brief study of childhood trauma, with commonly associated PTSD and repressed memories, should be enough to convince someone with a lick of sense that this is patently false.

[-] midnightreider 3 Points 7 months ago

Are you saying that there is underlying trauma that stays when you’re circumcised right after birth?

[-] Psypherus 26 Points 7 months ago

Evolution hasn't left us any extra bits that aren't beneficial in some way. Even the appendix has been shown in recent years to have a role in maintaining the gut biome.

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[-] Incel9876 1 Point 7 months ago

Evolution hasn't left us any extra bits that aren't beneficial in some way. Even the appendix has been shown in recent years to have a role in maintaining the gut biome.

You mean: Creation/God hasn't given us any extra bits that aren't beneficial in some way. The appendix has always been considered a vestigial organ, an alleged proof of evolution, since Charles Darwin himself. Find contrary evidence, spin into proof of evolution. Just like all the soft tissue from dinosaurs (aka "dragons"), it is never, "Maybe dinosaurs are only thousands of years old," but rather, "Isn't it amazing how soft tissue can last tens of millions to hundreds of millions of years?"

[-] ChadsCock 25 Points 7 months ago

This is all very true. It's amazing how savage we are while we presume since we have advanced technology we must be modern.

The United States has the most fatal pregnancies of all modern nations, it's so bad we have more per capital than Libya because doctors insist on forcing women to push up against gravity since it increases the likelihood of "complicated deliveries" which make a lot more money.

Once a woman has one complicated delivery she is forever stamped as complicated which means she would require a cesarean every time hence forth.

So we basically deliberately murder ourselves for money including mothers along with their children

Every time we look back at history and talk about something dumb we used to do and then claim "nobody knew" they're lying. We are forced to be dumb when it's convenient even if as individuals we all know better

[-] anothdae 30 Points 7 months ago

The United States has the most fatal pregnancies of all modern nations, it's so bad we have more per capital than Libya because doctors insist on forcing women to push up against gravity since it increases the likelihood of "complicated deliveries" which make a lot more money.

This is absurd.

We have complicated deliveries because women are very unhealthy in the US, and have babies much, much, much later than the rest of the world, and our health reporting is a lot better.

As someone in medicine, and actually currently in OBGYN, the people with "complicated deliveries" are 99% of the time gestational diabetes causing macrosomnia.

Most of the statistics you hear are bullshit anyway... if you don't smoke and drink during your pregnancy, and aren't diabetic... you will be fine.

Once a woman has one complicated delivery she is forever stamped as complicated which means she would require a cesarean every time hence forth.

This is completely untrue.

After a C section you have to wait 2 years before attempting a vaginal delivery, to allow the uterus to heal. If you don't, you risk uterine abruption and fetal (as well as maternal) death.

If you have had an oldschool c-section (verticle uterine incision), your risk is much higher as well, forever.

If you have had multiple c sections, you also need another, as the rates of uterine abruption rise to over 50%.

But apart from all that, vaginal deliveries are encouraged, even after c sections.

So we basically deliberately murder ourselves for money including mothers along with their children

This is again, fucking stupid.

Once you see a mother die from giving birth, your tolerance for doing things "naturally" drops. Because that is the natural course. For mothers to routinely die.

C-sections save lives.

fuck off with your bullshit.

[-] quicksiver 1 Point 7 months ago

This whole thread is filled with misinformation. Thank you for clarification.

I'm astounded by how uneducated some of the posters here are.

[-] ChadsCock 0 Points 7 months ago

Hahaha yea. Go figure you'd defend your product. You know you make a shit ton more money from unnecessary surgery.

https://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12001348/more-women-dying-childbirth-america

Oh but everyone else is lying right?

"Oh, everyone was actually dying just as much or more before. It was just that we weren't as good at diagnosing it"

Trust the sales man. The same people who got albuterol banned because "kids are getting high" meanwhile the shit they sell over the counter can actually kill you because it doesn't even work.

[-] anothdae 1 Point 7 months ago

If my product is modern medicine, then yes, I'm defending it.

If you disagree with modern medicine, feel free to have your wife give birth over a bucket and die due to hemorrhage... You know, the "natural" way.

[-] ChadsCock 0 Points 7 months ago

Haha don't try to hide behind "modern medicine" as if you can pretend to be behind every positive advancement in human history while blaming your failures on the public or out right claiming that all the numbers are lies like you have.

And yes unless you're really rich it's absolutely necessary to circumvent the medical industry these days or otherwise take control of your own treatment versus just going with whatever the pharma rep or bill master is pushing.

It's well know that cesarian sections are done way more than necessary. Why do you think they stopped slanting the woman downward like they always had before?

Because it's no longer necessary...

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ttUy6hP317Xh-3CFF5PqOMsAuxo=/0x0:900x1200/1120x0/filters:focal(0x0:900x1200):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6905609/maternal-deaths-04.png

To prevent needless death

I also love how our medical industry is blaming women for being too "unhealthy" that's rich. And the medical industry isn't "modern medicine" it's the thing that keeps modern medicine away

[-] anothdae 1 Point 7 months ago

Thirty years ago, women died in the delivery room because of hemorrhages and pregnancy-induced blood pressure spikes. Now they are much more likely to die because of preexisting chronic conditions like heart disease or diabetes.

Let me guess, the medical industry caused people to be fat as well?

Or maybe you are saying that if only mothers gave vaginal births, their diabetes or heart disease wouldn't kill them in childbirth.

Oh wait... no, it turns out that neither of those make any sense.

I also love how our medical industry is blaming women for being too "unhealthy" that's rich

No, your very source is.

You are an idiot, welcome to ignore.

[-] ChadsCock 1 Point 7 months ago

Thirty years ago, women died in the delivery room because of hemorrhages and pregnancy-induced blood pressure spikes. Now they are much more likely to die because of preexisting chronic conditions like heart disease or diabetes.

Let me guess, the medical industry caused people to be fat as well?

If you count the bullshit we were fed with this:

http://viralrang.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Food-Pyramid.jpg

https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=wheat

Yea everyone should eat mostly bread for some reason.

Or maybe you are saying that if only mothers gave vaginal births, their diabetes or heart disease wouldn't kill them in childbirth.

Oh wait... no, it turns out that neither of those make any sense.

Quit playing dumb. This is an industry that brags about how America is the best training ground for heart surgeons for chrissake.

Keep selling those statins too.

I also love how our medical industry is blaming women for being too "unhealthy" that's rich

No, your very source is.

You are an idiot, welcome to ignore.

You just did. You just accused the rising rate of delivery room deaths on diabetes and heart disease while forgetting about how the UK has the same rates and they aren't seeing the explosive rise

[-] Incel9876 0 Points 7 months ago

We have complicated deliveries because women are very unhealthy in the US, and have babies much, much, much later than the rest of the world, and our health reporting is a lot better.

In USA, even if you to a practice that has a mid-wife for a straight natural birth, you can be screwed in the last week before due date, when find out that, "Nah, we're just sending a doctor, in fact, we want to induce labor early to fit the doctor's schedule. Hmm, the induction failed, so now we're doing a C-section on your early twenties healthy wife. It just happens that all her future births will have to be C-section (cha-ching), and wouldn't be safe to have more than three children, btw, do you want your tubes tied after we're done with the C-section?"

Healthcare is mostly controlled by the disease creation and management industry.

[-] anothdae 1 Point 7 months ago

You are an idiot.

IF you ever get married, /u/incel9876, please don't try to force your wife to have a baby without a doctor, outside of a hospital.

[-] dr_warlock 4 Points 7 months ago

Would like more reading on this subject

[-] ChadsCock 2 Points 7 months ago

https://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12001348/more-women-dying-childbirth-america

American health care! But we're really great at heart surgeries so keep deep frying your arteries. Practice makes perfect

[-] clamops 2 Points 7 months ago

Do you have a source for this? Genuinely curious

[-] banthrow 22 Points 7 months ago

Dudes from US: Is totally insane and absurd that you think that removing a part of your body have a natural advantage. If there were any advantage, we would have evolved that part out millions of years ago. Please, don't remove random parts of your body.

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[-] banthrow 13 Points 7 months ago

Also girls says they like it more that way. So if women like mutilated penises I should mutilate mine? that's the ultimate betaification. Cutting your dick because of what women think.

[-] kurdishpower01 2 Points 7 months ago

Girls also say they like Guys who are nice and honest and appreciates them.

[-] thomascoopers 2 Points 7 months ago

I'm not even sure how true that is, even for the States. I managed to lay a few girls when I was in the States (have been twice) and all of them said they loved an uncut cock. Sure, that's purely anecdotal, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] SHGrade 1 Point 7 months ago

Some women disagree, when erect, foreskin is pulled back anyway exposing the head, how I normally see my husband's dick when I care what it looks like. Neither my husband or our son are circumcised.

[-] karlnuw 2 Points 7 months ago

Exactly, erect penis look more or less the same whether cut or intact.

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[-] KIZAN 21 Points 7 months ago

I got circumsized as a baby, I have no point of reference of how sensation non circurmized feels. As it was described, I feel jealous as it seems sex could be more pleasureable than I know it to be. It sucks but there’s nothing I can do about it.

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[-] pm_me_tangibles 19 Points 7 months ago

Thank you for compiling this. What you have written deeply resonates with my personal experiences.

I cannot tell you how many conversations I’ve had with ignorant people who think “well it’s just a useless bit of skin” or “women prefer prefer a circumcised dick, it’s so pretty”. As if as a society we deem it acceptable to make babies undergo cosmetic surgery to please their future partners’ whims.

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[-] pm_me_tangibles 2 Points 7 months ago

I think most people (men & women) are simply ignorant of the dep extent of damage it does. Most people are so ignorant they literally see it like an external appendix - a useless bit of skin. So their ignorance is naive not malicious.

[-] NikolaGeorgiev 17 Points 7 months ago

"4.Stimulates partner's genitals (6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)" Please link the study, I wanna share this with people.

[-] -Fidelio- 15 Points 7 months ago

Here you go.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x

edit: since some of the data is somewhat hard to extrapolate, someone made an image that summarizes some of the studies findings.

Late edit2: Note that /u/replis gave good criticism of the above link: part of the survey participants were gotten by advertising in an anti-circumcision newsletter and as such there should be considerable caution at taking that study too serious. This might be a better study, more participants, national survey in denmark. Similar results, but not exactly the same of course: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

[-] Replis 20 Points 7 months ago

Quote from your source, the first paragraph:

To date no study has investigated whether this dramatic alteration in the male genitalia affects the sexual pleasure experienced by the female partner or whether women can physically discern the difference between a penis with or without a foreskin. The impact that male circumcision has on the overall sexual experience for either partner is unknown.

So basically, this debunks what you said, instead of supporting it. I didn't read rest of this source, but this isn't academic or study at all. This is just a writing that gives some studies as source material for its statements. Which can be true, I don't know, I didn't read the sources this writing refers to.

But this writing is:

  1. Not a study.
  2. Not objective.

Need to say "dramatic alteration" in this writing is one of the proof that this is not a study nor objective.

EDIT: Someone pointed out, that "to date" no study has investigated", which is also BS: Let me explain why: They didn't have their own study. Also they don't say "Until now" or something like that. Also, I want to add: But what is their study? How did they study?

If they have their own study, which is subjective as we can see from the writing, will not be accepted.

[-] SmamelessMe 15 Points 7 months ago

"to date no study has investigated"

This is academic speak for "Look at how rare / touchy this topic is, we're the first ones to look at it seriously. Look at us, how smart / fearless we are! We got brains / balls of steel yo!"

If you want to disprove a study, attack its metrics, data and methodology.

Hint: they're found in the actual study (that's why they're called studies).

[-] -Fidelio- 11 Points 7 months ago

When they write:

To date no study has investigated

What that means is that prior to the study that you're reading, this wasn't studied. They're giving the reason for why they did the study.

[-] Replis 3 Points 7 months ago

But what is their study? How did they study?

If they have their own study, which is subjective as we can see from the writing, will not be accepted.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say? They give other "source materials" as proof instead. Which shouldn't be, because you claim it's a study itself.

[-] -Fidelio- 6 Points 7 months ago

You know that it is normal for a study to mention other related studies in the introduction to frame the subject?

You're asking what the study is. That's under "methods".

Like it's fine if you want to criticize the study, I'm sure like all other studies, it's not perfect. But take the time to read it first instead of making these snap judgements.

[-] Replis -2 Point 7 months ago

Look, it's subjective. Do you understand what I'm saying? You can read it yourself, and tell me if it isn't subjective. I think it's trying to find proof for its statement, instead of finding the truth.

BTW, I checked under the "methods" and this is literally the first paragraph:

Women having sexual experience with both circumcised and anatomically complete partners were recruited through classified advertisements in magazines and an announcement in an anti-circumcision newsletter.

So basically it refers to a survey for it's study, which is "partly" made by "anti-circumcision newsletter".

Gee, I wonder if this "study" you mention doesn't have any study itself, only giving other sources as materials, and subjective writing as hell will give me the truth.

How can I believe all of this, if the author doesn't want me to circumcise?

[-] boredepression 5 Points 7 months ago

Its not like they will find many participants for an actual sex study with multiple partners where they can study the orgasms is it? I mean sure, plenty of guys but the ladies asd will prevent participation.

[-] Replis 1 Point 7 months ago

No, I'm fine with surveys really. But make it objective. That is enough for me.

[-] boredepression 3 Points 7 months ago

How do you make something that is subjective, like perceived pleasure, objective, when you cannot control the study and have actual real data, such as brain scans or bloodwork to determine actual pleasure metrics? Look I agree with you on that point, but there are limited ways to study such a touchy subject. At least they have a potential starting point from the subjective data, right?

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[-] Replis 3 Points 7 months ago

Ok, I respect your opinion.

The point is this: This wasn't a source, and wasn't giving us the truth, while OP stated that it was. I didn't research what else he said, or gave as source, except this one. He may be right on other things, I do not know. Didn't check.

Also, your opinions are not in contrast with the facts that I just gave.

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[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

This is actually good criticism of the study that I had overlooked.

Thank you.

[-] dontbethatguynow 1 Point 7 months ago

haha thats like having a study to find how many women hat men and only recruiting hardcore feminist lesbians. Bias much?

[-] Replis 1 Point 7 months ago

Your 2nd source is a study about "possible sexual consequences of male circumcision. "

u/NikolaGeorgiev asks about source about women preferring about uncircumcised men.

Let's just check the conclusion of the 2nd source:

Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment. Thorough examination of these matters in areas where male circumcision is more common is warranted.

So basically circumcised men have more difficulty with orgasms, or dyspareunia (pain on the penis during or after intercourse) OR have incomplete sexual fulfillment.

So, this isn't about women preferring uncircumsized men, but about medical problems, which can be true. The study which National Institutes of Health refers to has no reason to be subjective about this so I say it is trusted about the study u/-fidelio- gave.

But let me say this: Here in The Redpill we have fair amount of circumcised men. Which one has problems with orgasms? Which one has pain during intercourse? Or "incomplete sexual fulfillment"?

Conclusion: Circumcised men have more problems with orgasm difficulty, pain on penis during intercourse, or "incomplete fulfillment". There are no other conclusions we can get from this study.

SO, if you are circumcised, but do not have medical difficulties with your penis, then there is nothing else to worry about

As a circumcised person, I do not have medical problems down there. Do you have one?

Disclaimer: I do not care whether or not you are circumcised or not, i just made an analysis about the 2nd source. I think everyone can make their own choice on this matter

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

So, this isn't about women preferring uncircumsized men, but about medical problems, which can be true

The study described that women experience "orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment" more with circumcised men. But also note: I've read the study and the disparity is far smaller than the earlier study you accurately discredited. We are talking in this case about 10-15% differences, rather than 60% differences, roughly speaking.

But with that said, there is still a marked difference in a robust study, so it's worth considering if people consider circumcision for themselves or their sons.

SO, if you are circumcised, but do not have medical difficulties with your penis, then there is nothing else to worry about

Good point.

I know that not everyone who is circumcised has issues with it (the research shows that clearly).

My thinking about it is like this: not everybody who gets married is divorce raped by his wife. However, since there is barely any upside and a whole host of potential downside, I would advise against getting married for men.

I agree with the the part of your conclusion that I quoted above.

Though since there are potential complications to the surgery itself (including death), I would advise strongly against circumcision for anyone who is considering it of themselves or their sons.

I understand that this message is less useful for circumcised men, much like the message to not get married is less useful to married men.

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[-] Hass7771 16 Points 7 months ago

Damn this makes me feel annoyed, if I ever have a kid it'll be his choice when he's older

[-] MilkMoney111 1 Point 7 months ago

My parents did the same with me. I ultimately decided to get circumcised when I was 16 and I'm glad I did. I also appreciate my parents leaving to option open to me.

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[-] WalkingInfinite 15 Points 7 months ago

I've been circumcised at age ~7 and thus obviously can't compare my current sensations and sensations of uncircumcised man. But I'm pretty sure that I've lost a lot. Yes, I can last for a really long time (sometimes it's up to 3 hours), but is it normal for a man to try hard in order to achieve an orgasm? Some men say that they would be so much more confident if they could last that long, but believe me you won't be confident if you are always afraid of not getting hard because of lack of sensitivity...

[-] roosterinflight 6 Points 7 months ago

I have the exact same problem, dude. I have a nice dick. Like, truly blessed, I get compliments and surprised looks from every girl. And sometimes it scares the shit out of me to use it.

Why? Because I lack sensitivity, and maintaining erections is hard. I can usually get things going after a few tries, and everything is fine. But, it's hard getting over the burning shame to want to keep trying after a failure or two.

[-] WalkingInfinite 1 Point 7 months ago

Try using pills. One day this bright thought came into my mind and still I always carry a little amount with me. Just in case. (It's not expensive at all if you buy so-called generics, which are absolutely legal and cost as much as ten times fewer. Have no idea are they being sold in your country though.)

Also, lubes help a lot :)

[-] MoDuReddit 4 Points 7 months ago

Thank you for your honest story. Yeah, when you're a teenager, it can be kind of awkward to cum too easily, but it's just something to get better at.

[-] jmg83 2 Points 7 months ago

I'm in a similar position to you. The worst part is when the woman either takes it as a personal slight that you take so long to come, assuming it's because you find her unattrative, or assumes you're gay. And when condoms are involved, it's a complete waste of time for me.

[-] WalkingInfinite 1 Point 7 months ago

Condoms... By the way, have you ever tried using them as a temporare foreskin? I do it from time to time if there is a possibility to do so. Basically, I use some hand cream or some oil to moisturize the limb and after that I put a condom on it. Sensitivity rises a lot, but still... it's not that kind of sensitivity that makes you feel more pleasure, it's just more sensation. Very sad

[-] jmg83 2 Points 7 months ago

I tried it once or twice, but I gave it up because I piss a lot. It's ridiculous that we have to resort to all these measures to approximate what we were born with. I will never stop hating circumcision.

[-] WalkingInfinite 1 Point 7 months ago

Totally agreed, it's riddiculous and unfair, and I personally find it superiourly riddiculous that my father, a smart man, didn't use his brain when he's been making the decision. No hate, though, it's all about a culture.

But have you tried foresking restoration? It actually works, though I still question the looks and effectivness of restored skin (I mean, the ratio of not-foreskin skin looks and it's effectivness), but even now, despite me doing the exercises rarely, I can feel some rolling during sex.

[-] bannedbyrnewsmods1 2 Points 7 months ago

I’m uncut and can last for pretty much as long as I want

[-] RoastedDuckinator 14 Points 7 months ago

circumcision is how you control the goyim

[-] -Fidelio- 11 Points 7 months ago

But also the chosen people themselves.

[-] roosterinflight 2 Points 7 months ago

Jews are matrilineal, to my understanding.

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[-] CommJimHoredem 14 Points 7 months ago

Appreciate you doing this research!

[-] -Fidelio- 16 Points 7 months ago

That's a bit to much praise; I just summarized it. But thank you.

[-] CommJimHoredem 7 Points 7 months ago

Well, thx for summarizing. I never thought of possible lingering traumatic effects.

[-] suitcasecity 14 Points 7 months ago

I never understood it, aside from the cultural norm there is absolutely no point to it. Makes me think how crazy society is.

Like what if someone decided one day that we only needed one ear or 4 fingers on a hand and started marketing it to hospitals with supposed benefits (which im sure they could find some) and then making it a cultural norm.

Crazy

[-] MoDuReddit 5 Points 7 months ago

I'm sure there'd still be people here posting how it's natural and that cutting off one ear has been done for thousands of years.

[-] tiger_stu 13 Points 7 months ago

I am English where is is not the done thing. I told the nurses in the Hospital (in NY) when my wife was giving birth that if anyone went near my son and tried to circumsize him there would be hell to pay.

My wife was worried he would be 'different' at school. Yes, he is different. As in not mutilated for no reason.

I have never regretted it for a second. It is a barbaric act that needs to be banned.

[-] newName543456 13 Points 7 months ago

Hygiene "argument" was always hilarious to me.

Like, motherfuckers, do you not know how to wash yourself?

[-] DesperateChemical 13 Points 7 months ago

Don't cut up your sons' dicks.

[-] Pokeylaw 12 Points 7 months ago

When I have my son I'm making sure he's not circumcised there's no reason to do it.

[-] djh860 11 Points 7 months ago

When they do it to girls it’s called mutilation

[-] Amiska5v5 11 Points 7 months ago

I got cut when I was 15. I noticed the sensitivity on the forehead got reduced more and more everyday. Now I am 27 and its MUCH less sensitive than I remember it to be.

Mixed feelings on it as I can have issues with premature ejaculation, so less sensation can be a good thing for me, but some part of me wish to have try sex without being cut to feel the difference. I never got to experience that.

Personally I think it looks better cut tho.

[-] Reniboy 4 Points 7 months ago

Doesn't that happen for everyone? The more your rub it, the less sensitive your dick would be. Has less to do with circumcision and more to do with the level of stimulation available. I don't think any normal dude's dick at 27 is at the same level of sensation/sensitivity as it was at 15.

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[-] Amiska5v5 2 Points 7 months ago

Relax dude. Yeah I said personally I think it looks better. Doesn't mean I really care about the looks all that much, nor do I know if women prefer it or not. Don't really care about that either.

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[-] Tootblan45 11 Points 7 months ago

The BEST pro-circumcision arguments I've ever heard are all awful:

  • Circumcision lessens the incidence of penile cancer.

Yeah well if you remove a woman's breasts (like Angelina Jolie) there is less tissue for cancer to inflict.

Even if this point is completely true, and based on the ridiculous range of benefit offered it's dubious, it still isn't anymore valid than advocating all women have double masectomies to lower the chance of breast cancer.

  • Circumcision lowers the rate of STD's, particularly AIDS.

The main study used to back this claim was done in Sub-Saharan Africa, with a decidedly non-random sample population. Those that who were circumcised were far more likely to be devoutly religious and married.

Just the fact that the populated was highly stratified like this should call any conclusion into question. But it makes sense that married people are less likely to contract AIDS.

  • Baby boys should look like their fath

This sounds almost like a way to justify the father's mutilation. Because if the father had acid dumped on him, for example, no one would ever suggest to subject the child to it.

There really aren't any good argument FOR circumcision. It's mutilation...by definition and it's barbaric.

[-] -Fidelio- 4 Points 7 months ago

Also note that penile cancer typically only happens to 60+ year old men, and in rarer cases to 55+ year old men. It's one of the rarest form of cancer. You have more chance of dying to complications of the circumcision than it preventing penile cancer in your life (though I guess if you die it does prevent penile cancer in your post-retirement life).

[-] Tootblan45 2 Points 7 months ago

Good point to add.

The thing is though...even if those three arguments were legit, parents STILL have no right to mutilate their children.

[-] Devils_Duke 11 Points 7 months ago

I'm circumcised for medical reasons (all the men in my family are born with tight foreskins) and I can tell you that, while I've never had sex uncircumcised (I got it done when I was 11), it really has no negative effects on my sex life. It doesn't get in the way of me enjoying sex (a lot) and it doesn't seem to prevent me from pleasing my lady callers (if I do say so myself). If there's any difference between circumcised and uncircumcised, I'm fairly sure it's negligible.

Most of the nerve endings are in the actual head of the penis rather than the foreskin, so getting rid of it doesn't make that much of a difference on pleasure.

Girls either like a circumcised dick (it's "tidier" or "neater") or couldn't give a flying fuck (excuse the pun). And I have a lot of fun teasing my uncircumcised buddies about how saggy and disgusting their dicks are going to look when they're 70.

Not a criticism of the contents or intention of this post; just a few thoughts from the perspective of a medical circumcisee (that's definitely a word). While I truly don't think there are any negative effects of circumcision, and would even go as far to say I'm glad I'm circumcised, I do think the practice of fashionable circumcision is ridiculous. Doesn't really happen here in the UK!

And by the way, the idea that it was intended as a masturbation deterrent is actually laughable. I can jack it with the best of them!

[-] -Fidelio- 21 Points 7 months ago

Most of the nerve endings are in the actual head of the penis rather than the foreskin, so getting rid of it doesn't make that much of a difference on pleasure.

Nerve endings in the glans are not as concentrated as in the frenulum, which is removed in circumcision.

Girls either like a circumcised dick (it's "tidier" or "neater") or couldn't give a flying fuck (excuse the pun)

Research does not support your anecdotal experience:

To summarize a few bulletpoints from this study:

  • Women were more likely to have a vaginal orgasm with an intact partner

  • Women were more likely not to have a vaginal orgasm with a circumcised partner

  • Circumcised partners were more likely to have premature ejaculation
  • Women were more likely to report vaginal discomfort with circumcised partners (either often or ocasionally) compared to intact partners (either rarely or never)

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x


Not to detract from your personal experiences I think it's always good for people to share.

[-] TangoZulu 11 Points 7 months ago

Don't you think that the results of that study may contain inherent bias in the answers due to the fact that a portion of the respondents were found via an ad placed in "an anti-circumcision newsletter"? Women subscribing to an anti-circumcision newsletter would hardly seem an unbiased opinion, would they?

[-] -Fidelio- 4 Points 7 months ago

Yes, this is a good criticism that I had overlooked until someone else pointed it out to me minutes ago in another part of these discussions. You are right on the money and I bow for not having seen that myself.

I think there's good cause to not take that study, which wasn't that large to begin with, too serious.

There seems to be a more robust study with somewhat comparable results that Clopper mentioned in the video I linked in the OP.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

National health survey with 5552 participants.

Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment

[-] Devils_Duke 10 Points 7 months ago

What I'm getting at is that if you're not making a girl cum, it's not because you're circumcised. A bit like how a 7 incher will probably do a better job than a 6 incher, but a 6 incher is always sufficient. If you're good in the bedroom, a lack of foreskin isn't going to hold you back. And trust me, sex is still very fun. We're really "majoring in the minors" here. Any differences are negligible when it comes down to it. See what I'm saying?

[-] RoninUnderground 6 Points 7 months ago

Yeah well I've read that circumcised dicks are on average 15% shorter than uncut, too. I'm cut, well above average in length and girth (genetic olympics, baby), I like my dick because I'm a man not a self loathing bitch, and of course sex is fun, but I should have never been cut without my consent.

[-] gaspaonrocks 5 Points 7 months ago
  • Circumcised partners were more likely to have premature ejaculation

Well EVERY guy I know that were circumcised (myself included) all agree that it reduces the sensitivity, being exposed to all sorts of friction in the pants.

After a quick ctrl + F in the paper you give, I show you this :

In women who preferred circumcised men, there was no difference in their comparison of circumcised and unaltered men other than overall rating and a higher rate of premature ejaculation in their unaltered partners (4.63, 2.36–9.07)

To me this means that unaltered men are more likely to premature ejaculate.

EDIT : and in the study they go straight to what I pointed out to 'women say circumcised guys come too fast'.

EDIT 2 : less nerve endings = less stimulation = less reasons to come early.

So yeah, do it or don't, you (and/or your offspring) can still be a king in the sack.

[-] -Fidelio- 3 Points 7 months ago

To me this means that unaltered men are more likely to premature ejaculate.

But what it really means is that the 1 out of 7 women who prefer circumcised men over uncircumcised men, experienced a higher premature ejaculation rate from intact partners.

You can't take 1/7th of the data and generalise it to 7/7th.

[-] gaspaonrocks 3 Points 7 months ago

My bad, I didn't bother looking up the sample they used.

In the end, if you're circumcised, be the best lover you can be, if you have boys it's rather useless so don't.

[-] SmamelessMe 15 Points 7 months ago

I don't want to doubt the reason why you were circumcised, but when it happens to your kids, make sure to exhaust all other solutions before invasive surgery.

I too was born with Phimosis. A few weeks of stretching after warm baths fixed that while I was still a little kid.

Edit: removed rest of the post. OP addressed that.

[-] AggressiveProgrammer 5 Points 7 months ago

The only thing to be said is babies should not be getting skin cut off of their dick for non medical reason without their consent. Even phimosis can be cured by stretching of the glans. Sure, circumcision is not the end of the world, however as a circumcised male myself I can clearly see that circumcision has had a very, very negative effect on my life and it was done for no reason whatsoever. If an adult who is well informed wants to cut skin off his dick, OK, but you can never defend someone cutting skin off of me without my consent. Especially considering that you have to go through pain as a baby, for no fucking reason. It's NOT normal or ok to cut up a LIVE baby all just so some mindless parent can continue a pattern.

[-] Devils_Duke 1 Point 7 months ago

Would you mind going into what negative effects it has had for you?

[-] AggressiveProgrammer 1 Point 7 months ago

It's something I don't even wanna talk about, that bad.

[-] intactisnormal 4 Points 7 months ago

Most of the nerve endings are in the actual head of the penis rather than the foreskin,

The foreskin is actually [the most sensitive part of the penis.]( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sorrells.gif) Full study here.

[-] oneorigin 2 Points 7 months ago

And I have a lot of fun teasing my uncircumcised buddies about how saggy and disgusting their dicks are going to look when they're 70.

Which means that you feeling inferior.

[-] Devils_Duke 4 Points 7 months ago

Irony - you should try it some time

[-] simplisticallysimple 2 Points 7 months ago

How can you know that it doesn't "get in the way" of you enjoying sex? You have no basis for comparison. Sounds like sour grapes to me

[-] Devils_Duke 1 Point 7 months ago

Because I enjoy sex. Therefore it doesn't get in the way. I'm not making a comparison; I'm saying circumcision or not, sex is still great. I'm actually really not being bitter (or sour) about this at all so I don't know where you're getting that "sour grapes" conclusion from. In fact, the complete opposite is true. My whole argument is that being circumcised is really not that big a deal and any differences are negligible in terms of the effect it has on your life (although I'm sure there is the odd exception here and there).

[-] simplisticallysimple 2 Points 7 months ago

I know you enjoy sex. That's a moot point. I'm saying you simply can't possibly know the difference if you've only experienced sex circumcised. In other words, you would probably enjoy sex even more uncircumcised. But we can't really know now, can we?

[-] Devils_Duke 2 Points 7 months ago

It's not moot at all. As long as I enjoy it, I'm happy. It's irrelevant to me how much more you might enjoy sex. Should I feel bad because it feels 1% better when a girl touches your pee-pee? Do you feel bad because there's someone out there who's an inch taller than you? You need to get out of the mindset of comparing yourself to other people man. It's unhealthy.

[-] Deus_Vultan 0 Points 7 months ago

nerv This is not what they teach at any university in Sweden, sorry. There are more nerve-endings in the foreskin than in the clitoris.(should give people an estimate of what they are mission) Im not saying your sexual experiences are wrong, but the practice of penis-cutting for religious reasons are

[-] coolredpill 9 Points 7 months ago

Am uncircumcised, grew up feeling insecure about it, parents told me my dick was too small for the doctor to do it when i was born LOL

Guess i feel better after reading this. I often considered getting it done as an adult but just never decided to cuz apparently i will be writhing in pain for a week or so not being able to move, and i dont wanna pay to do that and miss work

Oh and no bitch has ever had a problem with it. They never mentioned about it either.

As fof hygiene i just wash inside and out with water like normal

[-] allSmallThings 3 Points 7 months ago

You are very lucky!

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] jontycampbell 9 Points 7 months ago

If the Prepuce is 'just a piece of skin' (it isn't), and was useless to Neuropsychosexual and mechanical functioning, it would have evolved away in earlier species of Homo.

It is truly a wonder of natural selection, providing an array of sensory, mechanical and urinary assistance functioning:

- Prevents infections entering the urinary meatus- Contains yards of sensory nerves and capillary beds, thousands of sense organs -Meissner's corpuscles- that detect pressure, stretching forces that provide neurological feedback on the optimal moment for ejaculation.- scoops competitor sperm deposits away and lubricant up the shaft by rolling over the glans on the start of the upstroke, thus trapping some in the coronal space -Provides tube-like directionality and a kind of 'suppressor', as it were to high pressure flow exiting the urinary meatus.

Ingenious, huh?

[-] 1v1crown 9 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised and I guess I'll never know what it's like to be uncircumcised, but I've never had a problem with it. But I will say I guess if everyone didn't get circumcised I guess it would be better?

[-] -Fidelio- 7 Points 7 months ago

It's not life ending, otherwise south korea couldn't have survived 1 generation of circumcision, the US 4 generations of circumcision and semites about 4000 years of circumcision.

I'm glad you didn't have a problem with it. It's a good idea to prevent this for future generations.

[-] alisemihc 1 Point 7 months ago

People are making a big fuss about it like it destroys pleasure... But it doesnt.

[-] LazyLizardd 7 Points 7 months ago

This shit hit me hard. I was clueless

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[-] kylerosa21 7 Points 7 months ago

I used to think that being uncircumcised was terrible since I assumed a majority of men were circumcised, but recently (just the other day) I was thinking about how i don’t really mind being uncircumcised m and this post kinda reinforces that belief.

[-] allSmallThings 3 Points 7 months ago

About 70% of men are not circumcised, when you count worldwide.

There is an uncircumcised reddit if you want to talk about it.

[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

You're really lucky to be. Myself and thousands of other people wish we hadn't been. And we have no choice in the matter at all.

[-] kikkamokkeli 7 Points 7 months ago

To each his/her own with genital mutilation in adult age. But aside from medical problems, there are no compelling reasons to do it to minors who are not able to consent to it.

[-] Theinternetroll 7 Points 7 months ago

There is a reason only women and uncut men debate this...

[-] riggedved 7 Points 7 months ago

I never got circumcised. neither do people of my religion or country do. And Ive had girls tell me that my penis is much, much more pelasurable inside their pussy than a circumcised penix.

[-] WalkingInfinite 2 Points 7 months ago

Oh man, if only you knew how envious I am about it...

[-] 8700nonK 2 Points 7 months ago

There is 0 reason for the uncircumcised penis to be more pleasurable. The skin just rolls down and it looks (and most probably feels) like a circumcised one (I'm not circumcised btw).

[-] WalkingInfinite 3 Points 7 months ago

The rolling itself is the thing that makes intercourses more pleasurable. It's being said on the internets and that's what a couple of my friends told me. For obvious reasons, it's the only source available :D

[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

In an cut penis, the only method for achieving pleasure is friction, which does often lead to tearing abrasions and pain. In an intact penis, the primary method of pleasure is the gliding action, which causes none of those issues. For both parties involved

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[-] -Fidelio- 4 Points 7 months ago

Foregen is a company working on full foreskin regeneration, but that will take years and clinical trials. They are the first company to put these modern medicine practices to use for foreskin restoration. I've heard a couple of methods that stretches out other skin into a pseudo foreskin and people sound pretty positive about the result. It can take a long time (2-5 year) and requires daily actions. However the glans protection judging by individual anecdotes are positive.

I am not informed enough to advice on it, I suggest you use google. But I'll ask around just in case someone can tell me more.

[-] seniorthrowayp 1 Point 7 months ago

I'll be looking into this myself, but if you get some more detailed info, let me know as well.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Ok, I take no responsibility for the following info. I have not tried it and I don't know the expert who it came from well, so I advice you to do your own research before trusting this. Supposedly these three methods/ devices are popular:

TLC and TLCX tugger https://tlctugger.com/

DTR Bell https://www.foreskinrestore.com/dtr.html

Cat II Q https://catstretcher.com/

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[-] clearly-red 1 Point 7 months ago

go look wiki of 'foreskin_restoration' subreddit. They have nicely summarized everything related to this.

They are using tugging which basically pinching the scarline of circumcision and stretching it towards the tip of penis by using fingers(manual method) or devices(like tlc-tugger) hourly/daily. End goal is to move scar line to tip of restored foreskin. This method rely on mitosis due to stress or tension on skin. A example of mitosis on skin is -- how your stomach area grows when you start stuffing lots of food on daily basis, due internal stress from digestive system. From what I have gathered this process may take upto 2-5 years to fully generate new foreskin depending on different factors. Men who have restored foreskin skin this way claim to regain 70-90% of original sensation of penis.(obviously only men cut later in life can give this anecdote). Some nerves are permanently lost in circumcision, so they cannot be restored.

take a look into 'restoringdick' subreddit (NSFW) for before/after picture.

Lastly, do not get obsessive or impatient and tug so hard that you damage your penis.

PS: today is my day 1. I came across this only few days ago after watching the havard talk that OP linked.

[-] kaazsssz 7 Points 7 months ago

Me and my ex wife were going to circumcise our son. I’m glad we didn’t.

[-] RpwomN 7 Points 7 months ago

I am so pleased to see this post here. I will be saving this to show anyone who has a conversation about it with me. I've been trying to educate those around me about the harmful effect circumcision has, but it's difficult to show stats in the moment.

Thank you for this post.

[-] [deleted] 6 Points 7 months ago

Kind of a no brainer really. Imagine all those sensitive nerve endings rubbing against the fabric of your Calvins, unprotected, they end up desensitized. Now imagine them protected by a thick wall of skin for 17-18 years, only truly stimulated by the first girl you fuck.

[-] LucianFarsky 1 Point 6 months ago

It's not just a thick wall of skin. It's actually the most sensitive part of the entire penis

[-] intactisnormal 6 Points 7 months ago

A good post OP. In case anyone questions your stats, the Canadian Paediatric Society’s paper pretty much backs them all up, table 1.

http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision

And here's a study showing that the foreskin is [the most sensitive part of the penis.]( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sorrells.gif) Full study here.

[-] thisthiccbeat 6 Points 7 months ago

Protip: you can temporarily disable your foreskin with a cock ring. I do it all the time and it's fun.

[-] Ill_Will7 6 Points 7 months ago

I have done a lot of research (internet) on this subject.

My El Salvadorian friend is uncircumcised and told me that Americans do it to keep them less sexually charged.

Makes me sad because I am and never had a choice in the matter. I cant blame my parents because they were indoctrinated in this system and thought they were doing what was best for me.

He gets an incredible amount of pussy if he wants and has a much deeper grasp of sexuality and overall success in life compared to me.

Nothing is true, Everything is permitted

[-] Crass_Conspirator 5 Points 7 months ago

Agreed. I’m not circumcised and I don’t want to be. My father is circumcised and insisted my brother and I not be. My brother ended up going and getting circumcised at 18 due to societal pressures, and he told me “never get circumcised”.

[-] kafkian 5 Points 7 months ago

I'm a lucky European, over here we don't get circumsized and I don't care if someone thinks my dick looks like a shar-pei. My reasoning is that it must be there for a reason: if it ain't broken don't fix it

[-] I_am_Jax_account 5 Points 7 months ago

I wish my grandfather was still alive. He had all sorts of "crazy" ideas that he imposed on the family that ran contrary to the wisdom of his time but he imposed his will as the breadwinner of the family. He made sure no one in the family was circumcised. He asserted that career-oriented, unmarried women would be miserable and that liberals pushing masculinity and work on women was wrong (he actually wrote a self-published book on that). He asserted that there was nothing morally wrong with homosexuality (also in his book). He thought women should not raise men (also in his book). And he never lived long enough to see culture begin to vindicate him. Instead, most people probably thought he was just eccentric.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Redpilled grandfather. Nice.

Do you still have multiple copies of the book? I would buy one for sure. Sounds worth reading.

I'm not completely convinced with homosexuality not being a moral wrong. On its face I agree with it, but when you look at some of the practical numbers of homosexuality, it looks very harmful to society. The very high degrees of child abuse and STD spreading, is what I mean. And let's not even mention the pozzing community or those who have a circumfetish.

[-] JBo4Three 5 Points 7 months ago

I made our decision on circumcision for my son. I chose not to. Have wrestled with that choice ever since. Now, I no longer will. Thanks for this. Made my day.

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[-] memamu76 5 Points 7 months ago

Christopher Hitchens: babies are born as amazing bundles of potential, pure and totally dependent on you for care. Who in their right mind would think, "Lets take a knife to their genitals?". It's sickening.

I don't care if it's your religion, it's not the baby's religion and you have no right to force it on a baby, who has life long consequences.

If you have a faith you'll find that a very strong comment to make; but it is a fair point in an open discussion.

[-] tolstushki701 4 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised without any anesthesia. It affected me in a very bad way...I loose erection when a woman touches my abs and desire to have sex disappears. Up to this day I remember how I cried and how people were holding me down and I believe this painful experience somehow got stored in my body’s memory. I don’t care what your religion is it is all bull shit, if your kid suffers like me nothing good will come out of it.

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[-] PS2Errol 4 Points 7 months ago

An abominable procedure that should be done only if there is an urgent medical need. Otherwise it should be outlawed.

[-] suckisuckilongtime 4 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised at age 5 and I remember all of it, under no anaesthesia AMA

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago
  1. Did you know what was going to happen?
  2. Was it done in a western country?
  3. Was it done for religious reasons?
[-] suckisuckilongtime 3 Points 7 months ago

1) No dude turned up to my house and snipped me on my bed lol 2) Yes UK wasn’t done in hospital but at home 3) Yes but myself am no longer affiliated with any religion

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[-] knowledgelover94 1 Point 7 months ago

Were you crying/shrieking in pain?

[-] suckisuckilongtime 2 Points 7 months ago

Yes they held a magazine in front of my face so I couldn’t see the blood or knife cut my dick skin off, I was crying before it even happened lol

[-] 212_Van_Dyke_Street 1 Point 7 months ago

Oh that's a paddlin.

We'd be having a 'remember when' day for that shit.

[-] suckisuckilongtime 2 Points 7 months ago

Lol I saw that exact episode today

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[-] Thtb 4 Points 7 months ago

Apperently you are twice as likly to be a autist if ya dick is cut, compared to uncut dudes.

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[-] masterofmydomain_ 3 Points 7 months ago

i always laugh when religious zealots argue about it. you were made in god's image right? better cut the tip off your dick then.

i would never have my [future] son[s] circumsized. shit is barbaric.

[-] RedHoodhandles 3 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised as a kid. Phimosis. I remember lying in the hospital bed, banging my fist against the wall and screaming that I don't want to die. The pain was unbearable.

I don't know what pleasure was taking from me in the first place with the foreskin but compared to sex in my early twenties (I'm 30 now), my glans has decenticised. Well what do you expect? Its constantly rubbing against my underwear. And no that's not a good thing because now you can fuck longer.. I guess 5 to 10 year from now I will have problems cumming with condoms (so much for the plating). I never came via bj.

Half a year ago (in line with self-improvement and because a plate wanted me to cum with her mouth) I went partly down that rabbit hole of foreskin and foreskin restauration. It could be worth it but I'm not wearing a plastic cup around my dick all day.

'It is cleaner.' 'It looks better.' Lol... Circumcision is barbaric and you are a special kind of dumb if you believe it's not that big of a deal.

My parents didn't know better and I don't hate them for it. I wish they did and so, kind of, I do.

[-] -Fidelio- 4 Points 7 months ago

How old a kid were you? If done before puberty there is a good chance that it is a misdiagnosis.

There is serious lack of information about this in the United States in particular, where a healthy penis can be misdiagnosed for having phimosis, because the misinformation goes right up to the medical professional education.

[-] RedHoodhandles 1 Point 7 months ago

I guess I was 4 so yeah, the harm is done.

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[-] da_Crow 3 Points 7 months ago

Even though I haven't been negatively affected by being circumcised, if I ever have a son I won't have him circumcised. I'll teach him proper hygiene so he never has to get cut either. It just seems natural to me.

[-] Casanova-Quinn 3 Points 7 months ago

Totally agree with this. On a related note, if you're circumcised guy who has trouble feeling it during sex, your problem is likely caused by too much rough masturbation (aka death grip). Your hand can move faster and grip much harder than a vagina. This makes real sex seem dull. It can be fixed by only masturbating with a sex toy that can't be squeezed (like a flesh light). Furthermore, actually fuck the toy (thrust your body) instead of just moving your hand. The point is, your masturbation habits should be as similar as possible to actual sex.

[-] sammysep 3 Points 7 months ago

Wanna just comment on the restoration part, has anyone here tried restoration through a non-surgical procedure ie wearing a restoration device? If so any results? And if results achieved, how long did it take?

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[-] BrewandRun 3 Points 7 months ago

Why the fuck would anyone cut off the tip of their dick just to pander to the opposite sex. Or worse yet some bullshit religions organization who's leaders have never had a proper sexual relationship.

[-] djh860 3 Points 7 months ago

I didn’t have my sons cut now 23 and 25 and they don’t seem to be totally cool with being different .

[-] allSmallThings 1 Point 7 months ago

They are lucky to be intact!

There is a reddit here for intact men to discuss their feelings on the topic.

[-] Lionlocker 3 Points 7 months ago

Literally the only argument anyone can make is that women prefer the aesthetics of the mutilated penis. And no one is surprised how dumb that opinion is to have, or that argument is to make.

[-] Chitlinsandgravy 3 Points 7 months ago

My dad left me intact. I've had no major health issues related to my foreskin in 37yrs. Only negative side effect I'm aware of was enhanced tip sensitivity due to it constantly being wrapped up. Kept it pulled back until it was no longer sensitive to the touch when wearing tighty whiteys.

I've always wondered/considered if it was a measure of controlling/limiting male sexuality thru mutilation. The shaming that can come with being uncircumcised, from men, can be astounding. The conditioning required to program such a response...

Only issue I ever had with women was if I had a case of sweaty dick.

[-] banthrow 1 Point 7 months ago

The shaming that can come with being uncircumcised, from men, can be astounding.

How somebody can shame you with your dick in her mouth?

[-] Chitlinsandgravy 1 Point 7 months ago

The men I've mentioned it to bud. Most seemed conditioned to think that bring uncut somehow isn't masculine. I addressed my experience with women.

[-] banthrow 1 Point 7 months ago

If they think you are not masculine enough then you can prove them that your fist in their teeth still works perfectly.

[-] Chitlinsandgravy 1 Point 7 months ago

Remember, Spergy behavior is symptomatic of a society that suppresses male sexuality. Once you can get the masses to do the work, right?

No way I'll allow myself to be drawn into conflict with men that act out due to a need to do so. A need they themselves are unaware of.

[-] banthrow 1 Point 7 months ago

I still think a good punch is the fastest way to solve some problems.

[-] Chitlinsandgravy 1 Point 7 months ago

I don't disagree. However, I personally refuse to let other people decide which battles I fight. Not when 1. I can let them talk, unphased. Let alone my ability to maintain frame, and draw them into it later. And 2. Other peoples behavior is a reflection of the relationship they have with themselves/ their character/values.

I'm pretty aware of other men's need to maintain their current perceptions.

There's no evidence I can provide to a man who's not willing to consider it at any given moment.

[-] Chitlinsandgravy 1 Point 7 months ago

Never. Why would I enter another man's frame, especially if their acting on social conditioning?

[-] Chitlinsandgravy 1 Point 7 months ago

Given this some thought. I didn't address my experience with women. I was attempting to provide contrast between my experiences with both sexes in relation to being uncut.

My experience with women has been good. I learned early on no one likes sweaty dick. Showering with women solves that. And creates opportunity/feelz.

[-] EdAnt 3 Points 7 months ago

This is a great source of aggravation for me. I had my mind made up when my son was born not to have him circumcised. There was a young especially cunty nurse who I had to tell this to. I had just seen my son born, so I wasn't quite myself, anyway, and I was a total soy boy at the time. The nurse began screeching at me and telling me how fucking evil I was for not having him circumcised, berating me, Etc. I caved. My son is circumcised today, just like me. This is just one of a thousand little life-altering mistakes I've made that the red pill could have prevented. I find solace in the fact that my boy won't make any of those same mistakes.

[-] drink_tea_with_me 2 Points 7 months ago

What am I gonna do? Get un-circumcised? If I theoretically had the opportunity to get it undone, I simply wouldn't. I like how it looks compared to the...alternative. I guess I should count myself lucky that nothing bad happened. I'll consider this research if I ever have a son, but my personal experience will outweigh anything outlined here. Good post though.

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[-] drink_tea_with_me 1 Point 7 months ago

I'm just saying I like the clean look better. I agree, that's the only thing I can base my opinion off of.

[-] jmg83 1 Point 7 months ago

What am I gonna do? Get un-circumcised? If I theoretically had the opportunity to get it undone, I simply wouldn't.

When posed with hypotheticals like this, I always ask myself, if I could drink a magic potion to change x or y about myself, assuming I was sure there were no side effects, would I take it? In this case, I would. Why not? Given the choice between a potion to fix my penis or one to make it bigger, I'd go with the former without a second thought, and it's not even like I'm huge.

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[-] G5_Shadows 2 Points 7 months ago

I've always enjoyed having sex alot, even though im circumcised, it's the greatest natural feeling in the world.

It's upsetting knowing I could have been feeling even better with an additional 8000 nerves. I feel like I'm missing out and there's nothing i can do to get it back.

Then again I have nothing to compare it to. I will never really know what it'll feel like so i guess i shouldn't be bothered, but I only live once and my one shot has been tainted. Very upset with my mother saying the reason she did it was because "circumcised penises look better". Very upset.

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[-] fall0ut 2 Points 7 months ago

Check your math. World war 2 didn't end 50 years ago.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Right, I shouldn't have written "exactly when US took control" because I was forgetting about the korean war and such.

The 50 years is actually accurate, it's the rest of that statement/sentence where I was in error. Thank you and sorry for that.

[-] fall0ut 1 Point 7 months ago

Word. It's tricky when an author fudges some details. You never know they fudged other details.

I am a drone operator. I have actively been involved in air strikes that the media later reported incorrectly. Combined with other incomplete stories we get posted here on Reddit I know journalists get it wrong more often than not.

I know the actual truth, not just what some village claimed happened. So I know how important it is to get your minor facts straight because it takes away from the rest of your article.

[-] corioliskraft 2 Points 7 months ago

I'm circumcised and I will let all my sons get circumcised. Thats what my religion teaches and thats what we've done for 1400 years. I will not fail my religion and purpose in life just to gain some pleasure.

[-] MoDuReddit 3 Points 7 months ago

That's a very bluepill mindset, do you not have individuality? I urge you, please, for your sons' sake, to reconsider or at least delay that procedure until they're of legal age.

[-] corioliskraft 2 Points 7 months ago

Im as redpill as one can get. I read a lot of articles here and try to get as much input as possible. But that doesnt mean I implement everything written here. Im taking all things that benefit me and my purpose and leave all the other stuff. Getting circumcised is a part of becoming a man in the Islamic religion. If you dont do it you will loose all respect from your Brothers and elderly. We think it is beta/bluepill mindset if you change your religious beliefes because someone doesnt understand the meaning behind it and writes an article about it.

[-] MoDuReddit 5 Points 7 months ago

Im as redpill as one can get.

Getting circumcised is a part of becoming a man in the Islamic religion. If you dont do it you will loose all respect from your Brothers and elderly.

So bluepill as shit: do what others expect you to do, not what you want to do. I'm not even touching the religion aspect. You can claim yourself whatever you want, but I don't think succumbing to peer pressure is positive for yourself, and your sons.

EDIT: I'm confused, in Islamic religions, you cut your son's dick when he's a baby or when he's 12?

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

We cut the foreskin before the age of puberty.

If you want or not, everyone is part of a community and is "succumbing" to it values. The red pill here is to understand this and to use it to your advantage. There are no lone wolf alphas without a community. Thats a hollywood fiction story.

[-] Zhuangthemang 2 Points 7 months ago

islam is a religion based on fear

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

We actually believe that its based on fear. But also Love and Hope. These are the three big motivators.

Beside that what is wrong with fear?

[-] Zhuangthemang 4 Points 7 months ago

Women worship based on fear. Dictators rule based off fear. It's simply pathetic.

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

Thats how the world works. Even in democratic societies. People dont steal, murder... because of the fear of getting cought and being sent to prison. Without fear every society will colapse because people will see no boundaries.

[-] Zhuangthemang 1 Point 6 months ago

Only if you suddenly take away boundaries at our current state. If you have a society which was from the beginning "anarchy" it would work perfectly.

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

Just to add something I forgot. Peer pressure of course shouldnt be the Main reason. It should be your believe. But peer pressure sure helps with that.

[-] allSmallThings 2 Points 7 months ago

There is a group of Muslims against circumcision, you can find it online.

See also

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

Yeah. "Muslims" who sold their values to please others lol

[-] jmg83 2 Points 7 months ago

You will let your sons get circumcised? This makes no sense. If you mean you plan to leave the choice in their hands, while this is admirable, you're not "letting" them do shit any more than my father "lets" my grown ass drink alcohol. If you mean you plan to inflict circumcision upon your sons, you're still not "letting" them do shit, the word "let" implies choice.

At some point, almost every parent has to tell their kid to think for themselves and not follow the herd. Maybe they should set better examples in that regard.

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

English is my third language. Pretty hard to nail every words exact meaning. I think you got what i meant.

Every man in our community has to go through certain things. What he does after that defines who he is. But first he needs to be part of the pack.

[-] jmg83 2 Points 7 months ago

It sounds like a load of tribal nonsense to me.

[-] corioliskraft 0 Points 7 months ago

Dont know about you but I live on Planet Earth where every human belongs to a tribe so it makes sense to me. If you think you dont belong to a tribe youre probably an outcast or just a nobody.

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[-] corioliskraft 0 Points 7 months ago

Not in my opinion. It means we give up some pleasures in life to become part of a bigger movement. Is there any stronger sign of believe than sacrificing your own pleasure for a greater good?!

[-] SnowMonkeyCracker 3 Points 7 months ago

Babies don't make choices therefor it is not a sacrifice from them. Rather it is a sacrifice made by YOU of your sons future happiness. With all due respect, that's kinda messed up.

A true sacrifice would be made, say, at the age of 18, with full consent of everyone involved.

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

I understand your point and you are right that it is not a personal sacrifice. If you convert and make this decision at an older age than its fine and better...and also a lot harder. But that is not how religious upbrining works. If you let your kids to choose than it will be hard for them to decide. Thats exactly why the west lost its moral values and nobody really practices christianity. They all let their kids choose.We dont want this to happen to our culture/religion.

[-] thomascoopers 1 Point 7 months ago

Lol I love you disillusioned cutfags. Always rejuvenates my breath.

[-] ventuspilot 2 Points 7 months ago

You might want to add a section on different circumcision styles. Sometimes doctors fold back part or all of the foreskin preserving the nerveendings as well as the frenulum, sometimes they cut away as much as they possibly can. Different styles very likely will have different impact.

Also keratinization and further desensitization due to lack of protection usually happens later in life.

Last I would guess there is a difference between circumcision with vs. without anesthetics.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

I'd love to read it if you did a writeup on this. I have not studied either keratinization or different circumcision styles sufficiently to wrote about it.

[-] berniel64 2 Points 7 months ago

Excellent post. My dad was from the old country, Italy, didn't believe in circumcision. I'm Glad he didn't the protection makes a difference.

[-] otszx 2 Points 7 months ago

Had to get circed because of phimosis. Only had sex once with my foreskin and it hurt and I couldn't finish.

[-] roosterinflight 2 Points 7 months ago

Outlier argument. Phinosis affects few men, and is usually correctable without surgery.

Your argument doesn't support circumcision for the vast majority of males.

I don't understand why people can't learn how to debate properly.

[-] otszx 2 Points 7 months ago

Not trying to justify circumcision. Multiple urologists told me that it was the only way to cure it for me, of course I would have liked to keep my foreskin.

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[-] SnowMonkeyCracker 1 Point 7 months ago

The rate of circumcision is crashing hard in Australia, but one non-consensual unnecessary procedure is one too many. 85% of procedures are still done for non-medical reasons.

http://www.circinfo.org/statistics.html

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Im pretty lucky to be uncircumsized. It's definitely awesome

[-] IndividualRegister 2 Points 7 months ago

The good news is there is a non-profit organization, Foregen, actively working to create a regenerative surgery for foreskins. Donor foreskins are taken, decellularized, which just leaves the foreskin scaffolding, then conduct microsurgery to attach the foreskin to the patient and allow the patient's cells to basically become the new foreskin.

www.foregen.org

[-] [deleted] 2 Points 7 months ago

Elliot Hulse recently posted a great video covering the topic as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4kSQq12osY

Not sure why mods would even question the approval of this post. The truth of MGM is as red pill as it gets. Thanks OP

[-] SnowMonkeyCracker 2 Points 7 months ago

Circumcision is a weird cultural practice and so is the relative acceptance of it. As a culture we would be shocked if parents tattooed a child, yet a tattoo is just a cosmetic procedure. We debate when is too young to pierce an ear, yet pierced ears heal over. But cut the skin of the top of a penis; sure, no problems at all.

[-] Rollo_Mayhem3 2 Points 7 months ago

try putting a cotton sock over your cock and jerk off...you'll see an increased in pleasurable sensation...it would make u cum faster because you would not be used to this type of stimulation. I think it is a better way to get use to fucking, particularly without a condom --if you do that.

i guess that was what the foreskin did. This my anecdotal evidence.

[-] MoDuReddit 4 Points 7 months ago

I was very late when I understood in American Pie, what the deal was with wanking, socks and lube was.

[-] corioliskraft 1 Point 7 months ago

Thats just stupid. You increase the coefficent of friction to much which will lead you to desensitize your nerve endings.

[-] eyewant 2 Points 7 months ago

It changes the brain permanently and irreversably. (higher anxiety, hyperactivity, attention problems, mood disorders)

Ive been trying to tell people this but they dont believe me. Isnt it common sense that if you put a baby through immense pain, its brain will change?

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[-] DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 Point 7 months ago

Ugh, only animals and babies illicit emotions of sympathy from me so the ptsd/seizures/etc got it out of me. I already was considering not doing it if I had a son but I think that decided it. Worst case I will always say, if it's important to him when he's older he can do it himself.

[-] BankruptAce5 1 Point 7 months ago

I am circumcised and I love it. Never had any problems, and I like that I don’t have all the loose skin. Also, not bothered for a second that the most sensitive part of my body isn’t present. I have enough fun just the way it is.

[-] allSmallThings 2 Points 7 months ago

That's great! At the same time, please don't do it to your children.

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] BankruptAce5 -1 Point 7 months ago

Yeaaah, I most probably will.

[-] jmg83 1 Point 7 months ago

What if, at some point, they tell you that they wished you didn't do that to them?

[-] BankruptAce5 1 Point 7 months ago

I explain to them why I did it.

[-] jmg83 1 Point 7 months ago

What if your explanation isn't good enough? You may not be bothered that the most sensitive part of your penis isn't present, but you don't know that your sons will agree with you.

[-] BankruptAce5 1 Point 7 months ago

Yeah, I’m not bothered. I certainly can’t get it back so why the fuck would I spend time even thinking about it?

I’ll be sure to raise my sons the proper way. And since our religion dictates that our foreskin be cut off, I’m sure my boys would agree with their dad.

[-] jmg83 2 Points 7 months ago

But you said before that you "love" being circumcised. If you feel that strongly about it, then surely it stands to reason that some people's feelings on the matter will lie on the other end of the scale? And regarding your future sons, why are you so sure they'd agree with you? Did you concur with your parents on every single matter growing up? People leave the religions they were brought up in all the time. Most of these people, though, were able to leave the religion of their parents unscathed (physically, at least).

[-] SMRII 1 Point 7 months ago

Every comment on here is "derppp it helps with masterbation!1!"

Yet, anyone worth their salt on here knows the merits of things like no fap, semen retention, etc

[-] bradwbowman 1 Point 7 months ago

My dick is circumcised and it works very well. I am very curious how having a foreskin would be however.

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[-] nearedge 1 Point 7 months ago

Does the percentage represent the amount of foreskin removed?

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Which line are you asking this question about? Can you quote it?

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[-] freew33zy 1 Point 7 months ago

Circumcision is bad, but for those of us who cannot undo it, take some comfort in the fact that many men who are circumcised as adults say sex afterwards is relatively similar. The non-scientifically studied hypothesized reasoning is that, if you don't have a foreskin, you can't feel it anyways--but you can feel what you do have. And you may have less nerves in what you do have, but those nerves are concentrated in a smaller area, so they're stimulated to reach a similar level of pleasure.

There's also thinking that if you're circumcised as a baby then the brain will re-wire the penis nerve receptors to allocate more space to, again, what you do have rather than what you don't. So I advocate heavily against circumcision as I've always wished I could experience "true" sex, but in all likelihood, we aren't missing out on a whole lot.

[-] Yekelton 1 Point 7 months ago

I was circumcised at the age of 30. One reason why is that I got a yeast infection when I was about 25, which the doctor told me wouldn’t have happened if I were circumcised. But the main reason (unrelated to the yeast infection) was that it got extremely uncomfortable during sex as the years went on. Even after getting in the habit of using lube each time, my foreskin still ended up getting slight tears in it. It eventually ended up as what looked like a paper cut forming a ring around my penis. It was very painful, every time I touched myself, even when I went to pee. It was especially painful when I got hard and the cut would stretch out and separate. I tried to let it heal several times, for months at a time, but each subsequent cut was even worse. It was obvious that the problem wasn’t going to get better on its own.

I had no choice but to get snipped. It was the best thing I ever did. Sex feels better, my penis looks better, everything is more comfortable. I remember there being sensitivity in the foreskin and I thought sex would be less physically stimulating after I got snipped but that isn’t the case at all. It is, without a doubt, a myth that sex feels not as good for circumcised people.

I was against circumcision before this, I didn’t see any medical reasons for it and I didn’t understand how it’s able to be done without consent. But now I trust that there clearly ARE medical reasons for it. It’s not something that was “made up” to make money or whatever. Life is much better now. I have a friend with a very similar story (he got circumcised when he was 18). People really need to be more open minded about this issue, there are two sides to the story.

[-] MoDuReddit 3 Points 7 months ago

I was circumcised at the age of 30.

So, you weren't mutilated by non-medically trained person when you <1 year old? Than you've completely missed the point. You can tear off ears and limbs if you want to, just don't do it on kids.

[-] WholesomeAwesome 1 Point 7 months ago

Is information about circumcision readily available?

this is an important heading. same wiht other subjects and is a very important point when every nigger starts asking for sources

[-] allSmallThings 1 Point 7 months ago

Your argument was also used to support FGM, which is, of course, banned in most countries.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 7 months ago

Here's how I've tried to explain being uncircumcised to people who are. It might sound a bit dumb, but we do also know what it feels like to be uncircumsised in a way. At some point in an uncut mans life our dicks get stuck with the foreskin rolled back for a bit and the helmet dries out. When that happens we sort of know what it feels like. You cut men can't relate to us because you're never getting it back.

The closest comparison for somebody who doesnt have a foreskin is if you pull your tounge out of your mouth and hold it there until it dries out. You still have feeling with your tounge, but its feels weird and numb. Thats kinda what it feels like when your uncut dick dries out, you can feel shit but it's reduced.

I believe there is one major advantage to being cut though, without a condom you can go through a hell of a fucking and not damage your dick(Im assuming). There have been a few times where my foreskin got super worn and red because of a massive fuck session, felt like it was going to tear at one point. This can also happen if a girl starts by riding you and the outside of her pussy isn't wet enough yet, as she might force it and do some damage.

Also you have to be way more careful with hygiene. I piss in the stall if I can, just to dry things off with some paper because that shit gets stinky if you don't clean it properly.

If I have a son I wouldn't have him cut but there are certainly advantages to it.

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[-] jamesol1 1 Point 7 months ago

I had a partial circumcision due to very tight foreskin of which would not be fixed through creams and stretching. Sucks for me. But i wasn't fully circumcised... a bit of my skin still glides over my head.

[-] jamesol1 1 Point 7 months ago

How does having a circumcised penis effect a woman's orgasm though? Makes no sense.

[-] EdmondDaunts 1 Point 7 months ago

The Philippines doesn’t circumcise babies. They wait until they are 12 or 13. It’s a “rite of passage”.

Most UK men aren’t circumcised.

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[-] RPInjectionToTheVein 1 Point 7 months ago

Uncircumcised born in the USA cause parents were European. What's with this happening in hospitals without consent? Would really like to avoid that for my boys when the time comes.

[-] bannedbyrnewsmods1 1 Point 7 months ago

A side reflect of being uncircumcised is that girls want to fuck without a condom

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[-] doorfly 1 Point 7 months ago

What is the default in the USA ? Do you have to tell your doctors not to cut or do they do it unless you tell them not to (for your infant son).

[-] allSmallThings 1 Point 7 months ago

80% of male babies are still cut.

Some places still do it without asking, but usually papers have to be signed.

Many vulnerable parents are pressured by doctors and nurses. See the other comments in this post.

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[-] -Fidelio- 5 Points 7 months ago

You misread. There is a (false) claim that circumcision helps prevent HIV.

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[-] MilkMoney111 1 Point 7 months ago

I'm just giving my own anecdotal input here so take it as you will, not meant to discredit your work on this post, just offering a different viewpoint...

My mother chose not to snip me when I was a baby after seeing my brother go through it. I was hypersensitive on the glans and could not tolerate any stimulation where the foreskin was pulled back.

At the age of 15 I had attempted sex with a girl and it was so uncomfortable I could not even stick it in without cringing away by the foreskin being retracted as I tried to stick it in.

At 16 years old I made the decision to get circumcised and was able to have insurance cover it. I much prefer it as my glans is no longer hyper sensitive and I can have sex without any discomfort whatsoever. I think it feels much better and looks much more pleasing to me.

Again, just personal experience.

[-] stevemunoz117 2 Points 7 months ago

Its normal for the foreskin to hurt at that age. Its skin after all so in essence the older and more sexual you become (the more you use your tool) the more flexible the foreskin becomes. You need to give it time to “stretch”. Sort of like breaking in a new pair of shoes.

After that initial period you would’ve been fine. But hey, different strokes for different folks. (No pun intended)

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[-] Rocopoco 1 Point 7 months ago

Conclusion everything is evil and has his hidden agenda. I'm gonna leave this sub reddit

[-] VoidInvincible 1 Point 7 months ago

I was circumcized. Am I fucked? Am I less of a man for it?

[-] SnowMonkeyCracker 2 Points 7 months ago

No because individual results will vary.

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[-] rubenescaray 1 Point 7 months ago

From someone who has been circumcised since birth but for a medical problem.

This is true, my life would be so different if I weren't circumcised.

Most pleasue in sexual encounters either solo or with a partner comes from estimulation of the penis's head, without foreskin we have lost a huge part of our sexuality.

[-] morval1310 1 Point 7 months ago

Man this gets me depressed as fuck.

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[-] SuperduperCooper23 1 Point 7 months ago

I’ve restored my foreskin like the OP mentioned. To give some comparison, sex is probably 10x more pleasurable than before I restored and I still enjoyed sex a lot before.

The difference is that the foreskin keeps the head moist and sensitive (it’s supposed to be an internal organ), and the foreskin protects the head from uncomfortable rubbing during sex so the experience is pure pleasure.

[-] TimRusso 1 Point 7 months ago

I've had sex with the same woman cut/uncut. Not many men can say that. Sex felt marginally better uncut. I chose to get circumcised as a teen because I was made fun when I was younger and it made me insecure. Nobody wants to be the only one in the locker room who's dick looks different. I really think that's what perpetuates it.

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

A question if you don't mind me asking: Did you have sex with or without condom with her?

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[-] [deleted] 1 Point 7 months ago

Nah I got cut when I was 16, I had medical reasons needing it done

[-] Thunderfin 1 Point 7 months ago

Did you notice a big change in penis sensitivity?

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 7 months ago

I was pretty much a virgin before that so I wont lie and say yes or no. I just know how much that tight foreskin hurt all my life and with one snip, that problem went away forever. I also pretty mjch made the decision myself, my parents were against it, they wouldnt believe me when I said it hurt ALOT

[-] memamu76 1 Point 7 months ago

It's a good point you raise; or as a child you were in pain, aware of what was happening and gave your consent.

Discussion with senior medical consultant yesterday: circumcisions for medical reasons are done to make the child (or adult) have less/no pain and so they can wash when showering.

Crucially, they're usually done when you're a child - not a baby.

There is also a group of men aged 17-21 who opt to have a circumcision so that sex isn't painful, but they make this decision as a consenting adults. This happened to two friends at uni: fully agree with their decision to do it as adults.

[-] BangFlashOut 1 Point 7 months ago

I myself am circumcised never really felt I was missing anything although I wouldn’t know if I was. Truth is hard to swallow

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

Despite the many things that you can suffer due to this, there are other people who do not suffer any of the consequences. It's like jumping out of a 2nd floor window. You shouldn't do it. It's dangerous. You'll likely get permanent damage. Although for a good percentage they'll have not a single injury.

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[-] ricoue 1 Point 7 months ago

https://stonetoss.com/comic/cutting-corners/

https://stonetoss.com/comic/flesh-and-blood/

So that this doesn't get counted as a low effort comment, can you give me a solid source where it says why and how he was removed from Harvard? The claim that he was removed for the linked video seems a little outlandish.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

See under the youtube video.

[-] knowledgelover94 1 Point 7 months ago

So what exactly are the motives for this global conspiracy? A plot to decrease male pleasure and sell foreskin? Or do you think scientists thought it would help but it doesn’t?

[-] -Fidelio- 5 Points 7 months ago
  1. It is mandated by jewish religion
  2. It is very profitable
  3. It is a tradition of fathers wanting their kids to look like themselves
  4. It is an effort to reduce sexual pleasure
[-] knowledgelover94 0 Points 7 months ago

I’m not sure that all adds up.

I doubt foreskin is very profitable. Who would buy it for what purpose? I don’t claim to be knowledgeable here, but I can’t imagine that the profit margin is high enough to cause this global conspiracy.

Perhaps the Jews made it to reduce sexual pleasure, but would you accuse the medical and scientific community of knowingly robbing people of sexual pleasure?

Also, who is perpetuating the conspiracy? Who fired the guy for speaking out against circumcision?

[-] -Fidelio- 3 Points 7 months ago

They use it for three things.

  1. In cosmetics for its rejuvenating effect
  2. For skin grafts, like in burn victims
  3. To test cosmetics on

A baby foreskin sells for about 300-400$ and is thus incentive for doctors to recommend more strongly.

The conspiracy isn't global, besides american sphere of control, countries do not do "preventative circumcision". It only happens in case of medical necesity or for religious reasons among jews and muslims.

[-] UpYourSMVorDieTryin 2 Points 7 months ago

To prevent bonding, that's the goal.

When you have a foreskin you make love, when you're circumcised you "fuck" and this is not blue pill shit.

I wanted to make a thread about this, read "sex as nature intended it" this book should be in the sidebar. The most important part of the 1st post was this: "It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him"

[-] _www_ 1 Point 7 months ago

Circumcision is a semite tradition.
The reason for US to adquire this tradition is because it had been populated by ortodox protestants aka quakers/menonites, and those had strong views on masturbation.
While I generally adhere to this post I would point one advantage of having a keratinized glans: female stimulation is stronger, and ejaculation control is easier is the middle of a female vaginal contraction.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

female stimulation is stronger, and ejaculation control is easier is the middle of a female vaginal contraction.

The studies I've read so far indicate lower female sexual pleasure and more female orgasm difficulty with a circumcised partner. Do you have any studies that indicate otherwise?

[-] _www_ 1 Point 7 months ago

Nope, just wild tells from SOME females, I'm myself uncut, and haven't seen much dicks in my life: I've been telled the glans collar seems to raise out with keratinisation on circumcised pals. The same women, however, also told me it seems to change the way mens are making love for something harsher, thats not the taste of everyone. But do YOU have contradicting refs?

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

There's this one from the OP:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark.

Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment.

[-] _www_ 1 Point 7 months ago

The male part seems plausible, the female part seems subjective ( circumcision in Denmark isn't common ). Yeah, probably difficult to draw a clear line here.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Since for some reason negative effects of circumcision can not be studied in Canada or the United States because that would be "unethical", European and Korean studies are the only ones you're going to get on the subject.

That coverup tells me more than any study could.

[-] WoodWizzy87 0 Points 7 months ago

I guess none of you have had to wash an old dudes penis in the nursing home. You can’t pull it back, it’s tight as hell, the guys get infections that could have been prevented. Half the time you roll it back to wash it and you can’t roll it back over the head.

[-] SnowMonkeyCracker 2 Points 7 months ago

Okay, circumcise old people. Leave the babies alone.

[-] roonacam 0 Points 7 months ago

If you prefer to be uncut you probably have an ugly head. Sorry for you

[-] Xexitar 0 Points 7 months ago

Why is this post even here? What's wrong with being circumsized? I've been circumsized since I was 15. Absolutely zero issues.

Is this literally just because the female equivalent is called female genital mutilation? We're starting to sound like fucking feminists if we're actually complaining about this.

[-] allSmallThings 3 Points 7 months ago

Glad you are well! The point is, don't do this to little babies.

Did you ever consider that your anxiety might have something to do with circumcision?

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] Xexitar 1 Point 7 months ago

I had mine cut because the foreskin was too tight. My dick is way more sensitive now and feels great. There's really no issue with circumcisions. Except babies I guess. There should be some element of choice involved.

[-] 8xin1nite 0 Points 7 months ago

10/10 would circumcise my son.

  • longer lasting erections
  • BJ anyplace any where no cheese
  • all my partners comment how nice my dick looks and their preference for circumcised guys
[-] Rakosnik 2 Points 7 months ago

retarded as the evil practice itself

[-] 8xin1nite 0 Points 7 months ago

I guess i must be dating evil sluts they all love it.

[-] Rakosnik 2 Points 7 months ago

well enjoy that then. while it has nothing to do with your cut dickie i wonder what is your statistical sample you based your benchmark results on.

eitherway pass on the retarded practice down to your genes. babies and kids really love it in your world.

[-] Reniboy -1 Point 7 months ago

Interesting stuff. But the science behind this is not quite as clear cut (pun intended). For one, quite a significant number of men who were cut later in life have reported no ill effects or significant loss in pleasure: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107101013.htm.

Some of the claims here are sketchy at best and for every study OP has picked to support his claims, I have found another study contradicting them (can cite more if need be). That being said, I do agree that circumcision is an unnecessary procedure and that it should be avoided unless needed for health reasons.

[-] allSmallThings 2 Points 7 months ago

Studies reflect the beliefs of the authors. Scientists are too often biased.

It takes a lot of study and dropping one own's ego to get to the truth.

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] Riversfomo -1 Point 7 months ago

I’m all natural and I don’t see why we should have to pick which one is better. Let’s just agree they’re both different. Why shame those who had no say when they were cut.

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[-] jmg83 1 Point 7 months ago

There aren't two different types of penis like there's curly or straight hair, or blue eyes vs. brown eyes, we're talking penises that are the way they're meant to be and penises that have been disfigured, most likely without the owners' consent. The fact that your cock is whole means that you've made a choice to not get circumcised, from which one can infer that you don't want to be circumcised. Neither would most people, given the choice.

[-] RedSkeller -1 Point 7 months ago

Life hack: get your frenulum pierced. Also in America, chicks love that circumcised dick from a random sample of white hos from my life. Second, it’s archaic and should be stopped completely.

[-] ImitableLemon -1 Point 7 months ago

I had to get mine cut when I was 8 due to a medical issue, the only real issue i have is how it feels the OP is biased. While the facts he gives are sourcable, OP presents them in a way that makes it seem like getting circumcised is equivalent to losing an arm or leg or eye. A lot of circumcised people are going to take that as something has been stolen from them, and while to a degree that’s truthful, it isn’t like you are now disabled. Life is still enjoyable and you are not missing out. I do agree that people shouldn’t circumcise a boy just because, if there’s a legit medical condition where problems are going to occur in the near future, it’s not like you are really missing out.

[-] JJ3314 -1 Point 7 months ago

Men have enough difficulties mastering their sexual urges even while circumcised, which is one of the chief reasons why gynocentric society has flourished in my opinion: the tendency to pedestalize pussy, and therebye defer excessively to women. I don’t see the magnification of this challenge by promoting men remaining uncircumcised as resulting in a net value to society, or men for that matter. There’s more to life than more intense orgasms, and there are few things in my opinion, more liberating for a man, than the ability to master his sexual urges. I was circumcised at birth, because I’m an american, and my father came from a patriarchal African culture that had that practice. I have always thoroughly enjoyed sex. I think men who talk about missing out on the enjoyment of sex are either medical outliers, or are basically whining.

Note that I am NOT advocating mandating circumcision: people should feel free to do what they think is right for their children in my view. If you are an atheist, or think that those extra nerve endings are important to your son’s living a more fulfilling life, go for it; but I would strongly oppose any widespread ban on male circumcision. Embedded in these discussions is a train of atheistic thought that dismisses the religious practice of Muslims and Jews, amongst other groups. Yet—shelving theological debates—on a practical level, orthodox muslims and Jews are far more successful at keeping the abuses of gynocentrism in check, and reproducing their ideology above replacement rate, than atheistic pickup artists. Even as the redpill gains traction, the “enjoy the decline” approach of this subreddit ultimately leads to sterility, or at best, siring children that will likely not be sufficiently innoculated against gynocentric society to perpetuate RP thinking into the next generation.

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

There is no link as far as I know between circumcision and birth rates.

Personally I do not partake in the "enjoy the decline" position, or I would not have posted this. I am more of a "enjoy the rebuild" mindset, although a lot of sickness has to be purged from thus clown world before we can fully effectively rebuild.

One thing your post has not touched on is the psychological effects of circumcision on children. What do you think about those? The data on psych effects pulled me over the line in being an advocate against it.

[-] JJ3314 0 Points 7 months ago

Re: birthrates. It’s not that I think circumcision directly impacts upon birthrates. What I’m saying is that some of the religious ideologies that practice circumcision have higher birthrates, and for them the practice of circumcision is part of the package, even if the overall ideology, approach to female modesty, is likely to play a more dominant role in their large family sizes, as well as checks against female excesses. I don’t favor compelling them to discontinue the practice, as this is likely a mandate for them, and they don’t share the assumptions of an atheist, or a person who belongs to a religous group that doesn’t place value on circumcision. I think the secular amongst them (particularly secular Jews) would pull the statistical birthrates down, but when you look at the individuals who are likely to preserve a patriarchal culture above replacement levels (the orthodox) their birthrates are certainly higher than the societal average. And they would not countenance discontinuing the practice.

I don’t know about systematic studies on the psychological effects of children. I only can extrapolate from my experience at this point, and I would be lying if I felt there was some void in my life due to having been circumcised. I believe most men—if they were being honest with themselves—would feel the same way, but this is just an assumption. An honest appraisal of the psychological and physical effects on circumcized men should probably be cross-cultural, because I think cultural factors could potentially influence a given man’s assessment of the damage done on himself by the practice. The quotes from Maimonides and Philo, above, were probably taken from men who thought it was positive for men to not place sexual pleasure as the highest value: I don’t think they were criticizing the practice.

However, if a person doesn’t hold male circumcision as having any independent religious value, I think a decent case can be made for it’s lack of justification. You point out what appear to be minor health benefits, which in the mind of an individual man may pale in comparison to any gains in sexual satisfaction he may achieve otherwise.

I think in the broadest sense redpill thinking can be incorporated into a societal rebuild, but I don’t see how this can be done without reasserting a kind of enlightened patriarchy, that places reasonable restraint on sexual excess for men and women (but particarly women, since slutty women influence the behavior of men more than vice versa). This top-down approach is likely to be more effectively implemented by existing ideologies (typically religious) that have already achieved that since time immemorial. I’m in favor of letting them flourish, as long as violent practitioners can be kept at bay. I think the redpill sub focuses more on practically responding to the current reality—Western women are promiscuous, so learn to game them—since you can’t force them to not be promiscuous.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Good post. Will probably respond later when I have time.

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[-] NoDescription4 7 Points 7 months ago

Don't forget to marry them and give them 50% in a divorce, they like that too.

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

Third world.

That shows once again what girls know.

Here's the circumcision map from the OP: https://imgur.com/a/vCZ2BlH

Tell me, is the third world more cut or uncut?


If you like it for aesthethic / social reasons, that's fine and up to you.

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[-] MoDuReddit 2 Points 7 months ago

Ignoring manipulative data is not the same as ignoring reality.

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[-] MoDuReddit 1 Point 7 months ago

So, basically Jews and Muslims? Not even the Orthodox or the Hindi do it. Interesting.

[-] bootstraps_atx -1 Point 7 months ago

Too late for this but regardless: had my kid (he's thirty now) cut because "the other boys will make fun of him." Which is true. Would choose now not to have done that; would prefer maybe that it wasn't done to me. At the same time, I LOVE my dick and my boy ... we've talked about it ... LOVES his dick. I personally wouldn't have imy cock any other way. So yes, FGM absolutely = MGM but! That doesn't mean you non foreskin having motherfuckers are weird or scarred or missing out. There's nothing to fix. It just is so own your cock! It's beautiful. Your cock is THE COCK. Maybe don't put that on your own sons, but don't be all mopey about your circumcised cock either. YOUR COCK IS LIFE.

[-] kiwifx -1 Point 7 months ago

Anecdote: Recently fucked an older married woman, claims I'm her second. She was prattling on about how uncircumcised (me) feels 'so strange, weird, feel all that skin!'. Her husband was cut so it was a big difference for her. This was after sex when the boner had died down. She didn't seem to complain during the reaming. Also first time it'd ever come up, so either all the other women I've fucked had no problem with it, or uncut was all they'd know. I'm not sure if it's common here in NZ or not.

I'm actually considering adult circumcision. Based on some reading and online reports from guys having had it done in adulthood, they say it makes a major difference in hygiene and.. 'smell and taste' - guessing wife was hovering over the keyboard when they wrote their report. Aesthetically looks better. Plenty of reports going either way that sex is better or worse due to sensitivity, but I can see benefits in both outcomes.

Every article you look at will either be for, against, or show what seems to be the truth - everyone has a different opinion. Studies all seem to come to different conclusions. You can find a wealth of studies and anecdotal evidence to support whichever side of the argument you take.

Brutal Pun Warning

I guess it really is different strokes for different folks.

[-] -Fidelio- 11 Points 7 months ago

I hope for your sake that you don't. Some people have no problems with a circumcision and some people have deep and permanent problems as a result of it. I know it's hard who you should trust, why should you trust me, a random stranger, over another random stranger?

Please do one thing for me. Watch the full video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

I mean it's your penis to do with as you please. But you should take at least the two hours to get more informed, as you might regret the choice for a lifetime.

Another pun coming

It's just a little tip.

[-] Diabolo_Advocato -1 Point 7 months ago

This is a very unique topic that I was pretty much on the side of not doing it. Then I got into the urology career field. It has changed my mind.

Circumcision a very simple procedure that very rarely has complications.

What I’ve seen first hand are anecdotal and mainly the worst cases of what the doctor sees since I’m only a part of the OR procedure. When you see old men, mentally challenged men, and small boys to infants with infections, necrotic tissue, and permanent nerve damage due to poor cleaning from their lack of caring or the care taker’s negligence is absolutely astounding.

When you see these men in surgery to fix a problem that could easily be prevented by being circumcised in the first place, then you begin to understand why mit’s a thing. You understand why men get it done later in life and all the issues that comes with even a small procedure.

I held a similar position with euthanasia, I was firmly against it. Then I started working in the medical field. You see people at their worst, whose skin breaks and bleeds profusely at simple sponge baths, people who can’t breathe because they are drowning in their own fluids, or people whose bowls rupture and are slowly dying of sepsis. These people who, in many cases, just want to die because they are trapped in a broken body that is doing nothing but slowly torturing them to death.

The people who advocate against medical procedures often haven’t seen the worst cases or the life styles many have to under go on a day to day basis.

Sure men for centuries have lived with foreskins, but I’d argue that just because we have it doesn’t mean we need it, much like our tonsils or appendix. If a procedure existed that easily and quickly removed the appendix on a newborn with minimal effort, people would do it to prevent a possible outcome. But on a realistic level, I would bet that advocates would argue against that in time, similar to vaccinations.

But on that topic, just because circumcisions are a relatively new thing, does not make them bad of evil.

[-] -Fidelio- 4 Points 7 months ago

When you see these men in surgery to fix a problem that could easily be prevented by being circumcised in the first place

Why not prevent it with washing instead? We don't cut off ears because dirt can gather inside them and that can get infected.

The argument of permanent nerve damage is the weirdest one: Why would you cut away nerves to prevent nerve damage?

The people who advocate against medical procedures often haven’t seen the worst cases or the life styles many have to under go on a day to day basis.

The worst cases of complications as result of circumcision are no less horrible, or even the ubiquity of circumcision on infants without anesthetics. I'm not advocating against circumcision in the case of necrotic tissue anymore then I'm advocating against amputating arms with life-threatening infections. What I'm advocating is the removal of this healthy tissue in infant boys for supposed preventative medical reasons that are based in falsified evidence.

When Germany outlawed let's say "preventative circumcision" in 2012, it only became legal 3 months later due to religious arguments in a court of law; not medical ones. They know they would have lost the medical argument.

[-] Diabolo_Advocato -3 Point 7 months ago

Washing is a good measure and many people do. If you say 1% or even .5% don’t do a good job washing (which isn’t an unreasonable estimation), you are still talking about 10’s of thousands of people that have to deal with the outcome.

Also preventative care is doing things ahead of time before they become an issue later. You don’t wait until your healthy wisdom teeth are crowding your mouth to remove them. You don’t leave the gallbladder in after specific surgeries just because it’s healthy and functioning now.

And who said they were performing the procedure without anesthetic. My son had a lidocaine injecting before his circumcision. l’d be more upset about the non-anesthetic part than the circumcision itself.

[-] allSmallThings 3 Points 7 months ago

It is ethically and mortally wrong to do this very harmful procedure on children against their will. Read the AMA ethics papers on this from 2017.

If I could sue the doctor who did this to me, I would sue him into oblivion.

If an adult wants the procedure, fine, go ahead.

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] NeverGiveIn56 -2 Point 7 months ago

So I disagree, but not completely. I just don't think this is as big of deal as this thread makes it. I know plenty of American men who have fantastic sex lives, are circumcized, don't have PTSD, and live very happy lives who "got cut."

I think we just need more information, like you said. We need real multiple studies conducted by financially independent parties. You show some sources but like the Mod said (thank you for the disclaimer, good work Mods) they aren't definitive.

Honestly it sounds very similar to others who scream that doctors are evil and cancer is a conspiracy and can be cured by juicing vegetables. Who cares if they sell the foreskins, it's called economies if scope. They would literally be throwing money away if they didn't. But I know I know... I'm an autist because I disagree with the dogma in this thread.

Here's the bottom line problem I see: we won't ever get the research we need on this because as you said, it's a "man" problem and men don't deserve an opinion in today's world. Doctors operate according to the scientific method, and untill we can get definitive proof of a theory that supplants the current procedure, it won't change, and that's not bad. However you may very well be right, and if the research proves it, I will happily not circumcize my future sons. Untill then, I'll stick to letting them decide when they're older.

PS someone earlier said that religion is the reason hospitals still circumcize today. I'm sorry, are you kidding me? Religion has been kicked out everywhere that makes decisions for the masses. Don't be a dumbass.

[-] -Fidelio- 5 Points 7 months ago

You won't get anything definitive. Because eric clopper was fired from Harvard for the video above. A canadian group was stopped and threatened with litigation for wanting to study adverse effects of male circumcision. When they tried to make circumcision on babies illegal in the netherlands it was stopped by the jewish lobby. When they tried in iceland it was stopped by the one rabbi they have. Denmark is in the process of making it illegal. Not many people will want to risk their medical careers to study adverse effects of male circumcision.

[-] wmat213 -2 Point 7 months ago

We all know that it's tougher for our middle eastern brothers to control their sexual drive. Same for africans, just worse. So it might not be that bad of an idea to circumsize particularly those people. I don't think Europeans need it though. There's a gap in sexual drive and how well certain races are able to control it. Europeans in general have no problems with their drive, unless they're being bombarded with porn, which many nowadas sadly are, which makes circumcision for reasons of lust / sexual abstinence obsolete.

[-] allSmallThings 2 Points 7 months ago

The circumcision actually INCREASES deviant sexual behaviour.

[-] wmat213 1 Point 7 months ago

How so? Doesn't it decrease the intensity of an orgasm for example? (Not that that's relevant for lust, but still)

[-] allSmallThings 2 Points 7 months ago

Since feeling and intensity are reduced, the orgasm tends to be less intense. It is much more difficult for a circumcised man to get to full body orgasm, so sexual tension remains.

There is data which shows more deviant behaviour, as well as much higher use (4.5 x) of viagra in circumcised men.

[-] wmat213 0 Points 7 months ago

More deviant behaviour? I'd like to see some data on that. Don't believe it. In my point of view, it decreases the intensity of the orgasm and therefore the cravings too. Makes much more sense.

[-] allSmallThings 1 Point 7 months ago

see

https://genitalwholeness.wordpress.com/article/circumcision-and-human-behavior-2y9nanfagw8nr-13/

and

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/and.12101/abstract

[-] wmat213 0 Points 7 months ago

The second study shows that there is a lack of sexual desire in men who've been circumsized. I couldn't fathom how that lack of sexual desire might lead to men raping more for example. I concede that circumsicion has lots of negative aspects, but I don't see how "deviant behaviour" would be one of them. If the identity of a man is centered around his phallus, wouldn't that make intersex people basically alien, at least considering their behaviour? It's an outrageous claim in my opinion.

I don't think circumcision is good-I just think it might be a necessary evil for people who can't control their sex drive.

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[-] uniquestone -2 Point 7 months ago

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-circumcision-helps-prevent-hiv-infection/

[-] -Fidelio- 6 Points 7 months ago

This is an intentionally deceptive study. This study is discussed in the video I linked in the OP.

They taught the group of circumcised men to use condoms and not to the group of uncircumcised men in Kenya.

After a while the circumcised men had less chance of HIV. Well no shit. The study proved that condoms prevemt HIV, not that circumcision prevents HIV. Why would doctors falsify a study like that? Welcome in the rabbit hole.

[-] Profdiddy -2 Point 7 months ago

Articles about loss of sensation have been widely debunked. This body modification is just arbitrary.

[-] lawrencewidman -2 Point 7 months ago

Thats like a whole book, here

the flaps penis where they do their special cut called the circumcision, is what holds the cum in while you are doing sex. normally a man will cum for 3 minutes, and prior to then fuck for at least 45 minutes. But, we are all gay now. Because men are circumcized. Thank You Orange Star. My pretty ballerina :) Thor

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[-] uniquestone -3 Point 7 months ago

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/decreased_risk/male_circumcision.html

Official website of Centers of Disease Control and Prevention.

[-] -Fidelio- 3 Points 7 months ago

Why don't they link the study that the HIV claim is based on? Because that study was done in Kenya.

They taught circumcised men how to use condoms. After a while circumcised men got less HIV than uncircumcised men. Wow who would have thought?

This is why the video in OP is important. It goes into this study as well as other commonly held bluepill myths..

[-] bduxbellorum -3 Point 7 months ago

I mean, male circumcision is a bit brutal and pointless, but it doesn’t prevent men having orgasms (even if it reduces their frequency and intensity). I’ve noticed a lot of anti-male-circumcision propaganda focused against jews recently and frankly i think male circumcision is fine as a cultural aspect, though i’d prefer for men to make that decision themselves rather than having it made for them by their parents before they can talk. What can i say, the Sanhedrin were disbanded 1620 years ago, and jewish law has been seized ever since.

Female circumcision can and does make women unable to achieve orgasm so I don’t think it’s quite equivalent.

That said, i’m uncut and very happy about it.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Female circumcision can and does make women unable to achieve orgasm so I don’t think it’s quite equivalent.

Some can still have non-clitoral orgasms. Some circumcised men do have strong difficulty with orgasm.

It's different equipment so you can never fully compare the two, but even the nick (ceremonial small scratch) is illegal to do on women, though that is far less severe than removing foreskin.

[-] MordecaiMaxwell -3 Point 7 months ago

uncircumcised dicks look fucking ugly tho, i'll give them that

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[-] allSmallThings 3 Points 7 months ago

If you pull back your foreskin it looks the same as uncircumcised. No cutting needed.

[-] jmg83 2 Points 7 months ago

Go and get circumcised, then, if it means that much to you. If fixing my penis were as simple as that, then I'd have done it years ago, I wouldn't even care if it hurt.

[-] cyberkrist -3 Point 7 months ago

Anecdotal - Circumcised for 42 years. No health issues, no PTSD, no sexual discomfort, like sex, women keep coming back so....

Another non-issue for our way too bored society! And some of you comparing FGM to male circumcision need to do some homework. FGM is the equivilent of cutting your penis OFF!

[-] -Fidelio- 7 Points 7 months ago

Clitoris has less nerve endings than the frenulum and the frenulum is part of the foreskin that is removed. Maybe you should take your own advice and do some homework. For example watch the video I linked.

Or this quick one that compares male and female circumcision

[-] Zahlix 7 Points 7 months ago

I've heard this argument quite often and I agree that FGM is worse. The same people tell me that FGM should be illegal but don't care for circumcision.

Why even waste time arguing which one is worse? Just make unnecessary genital operations on children illegal. Once they are 18 - let them do what they want with their bodies but don't allow parents to make these kinds of decisions for their children.

[-] eyewant 5 Points 7 months ago

Why argue which one is worse? Why cant people realize men have less rights in this regard. You cant even pinprick a girls vagina, but you can lop off an entire foreskin. Also the clitoris cutting fgm is rare.

[-] PS2Errol 2 Points 7 months ago

Frenelum contains the most densely packed nerves of any part of the male anatomy.

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[-] pm_me_tangibles -1 Point 7 months ago

The ignorance is strong with this one. I suppose this guy also thinks FGM is OK.

[-] KingWhiteRabbit -4 Point 7 months ago

Haha f that. Glad my parents circumcised me.

[-] foogauzie -4 Point 7 months ago

honestly who cares, I don’t see the reason for this post. it’s up to the person circumcised to decide how they feel about their parents circumcising them, and the person uncircumcised to decide if they want it or not. i keep seeing these shitty posts about subjects irrelevant to the purpose of this subreddit

[-] allSmallThings 3 Points 7 months ago

It's not about you, it's about your children, and your friends who are having children.

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] foogauzie 0 Points 7 months ago

still pretty irrelevant to this subreddit

[-] Blackops_21 -4 Point 7 months ago

This seems like propaganda from someone who isn't circumcised, made just to feel better about themselves because girls really want an attractive penis like in pornos. My dick has never been sore, infected, or smelled bad unlike most uncircumcised mens. It also gives me slightly less sensitivity meaning I can fuck like a champ

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[-] roonacam -4 Point 7 months ago

Yah but your penis looks way better

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 8 Points 7 months ago

It only looks better to you because you're used to it looking that way. You are acculturated or acclimatised.

If you were used to seeing them the other way you'd probably think that way looked better..

[-] MoDuReddit 7 Points 7 months ago

I don't know about you, but I leave my dick appreciation for my plates.

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[-] digg_is_awesome 6 Points 7 months ago

If a girl won't blow you for not being mutilated then get a new girl.

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[-] digg_is_awesome 2 Points 7 months ago

Living up to your username.

[-] Cum_Master_0 2 Points 7 months ago

well first of all you're clearly gay

[-] MoDuReddit 1 Point 7 months ago

who wants a disgusting goopy anteater cock?

In this context of discussion, this is equivalent of saying "who wants to cut off half their dick and not being able to cum" when talking about circumcised men.

Ffs guys wake the fuck up

Do as I say, not as I do.

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[-] MoDuReddit 5 Points 7 months ago

You surely are living up to your /u.

[-] RoninUnderground 2 Points 7 months ago

purely subjective, firstly most women who want your dick won't care if it's cut or not, secondly some women don't even know the fucking difference

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 2 Points 7 months ago

I know a guy who was rejected for having an uncut one.

I am cut but was never asked; personally I would prefer to be uncut.

[-] PS2Errol 5 Points 7 months ago

Probably a lucky escape from the girl in question - who was presumably an abhorent specimen.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 1 Point 7 months ago

She was an aerobics instructor. Great body. Owned her own home at the age of 28. Made good money. Worked a regular job as a food photographer during the day then did aerobics at night. Driven and successful.

At one stage on her birthday he gave her some roses and a copy of the script from a movie he knew she loved. Her reply was this:

"Please don't take this the wrong way but..when someone gives me a gift I like it to actually be worth something..."

He was really upset and talking to me about it and I advised him straight away to dump her....before he did though she dumped him for the penis thing.

Honestly though he's better off without her. I knew her too, I went to the same gym. In a moment of self-reflection she told me "one day I'll probably wind up a lonely old maid in a house on my own.." and I thought, yes you will. BUT you'll deserve it.

Didn't tell her that though.

[-] Andgelyo -4 Point 7 months ago

Idgaf if I’m circumcised or not. I’m American born Filipino (catholic) so my penis is circumcised. All I care about is if my penis is hard enough, can last long enough, and meets the minimum threshold for size to please the majority of women.

[-] Thunderfin -5 Point 7 months ago

I don't see the point of this post. First of all, it's not really relevant to this sub's mission. Then, you talk about increased PTSD / anxiety, yet by posting this, you've probably caused circumcised men to feel more anxious, since they'll feel obligated to keep researching the negative effects of the [irreversible] procedure. And let's not forget about those who may have had their son(s) circumcised. Lastly, who are you to tell people what to do? There are obviously pros and cons to circumcision--I'm not denying that--but I'm also sure we have more than a few Jewish, Muslim, etc. members who believe in circumcision. This feels like someone trying to stuff superfluous information down my throat. Surprised this wasn't removed.

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[-] 2914iwiK -5 Point 7 months ago

Most studies show that circumcision has little impact on male sexual pleasure. It really does not matter whether you get it done or not.

Personally I am glad I got circumsized, it looks better. And if you lack sensitivity I recommend less wanking and more sex.

[-] -Fidelio- 10 Points 7 months ago

Most studies show that circumcision has little impact on male sexual pleasure

I do not think this is true. Source?

[-] 2914iwiK 3 Points 7 months ago

I do not think this is true. Source?

I have no bias here. You can find studies that show decrease sensitivity, and find studies that show no decrease. At the end of the day this debate is largely driven by your feelings.

If you want to believe that you were wronged because you were circumsized, so be it, you can be angry. You can indulge your feelings all you want. But the science does not support your feelings in this area.

And, since I quite hate discussions without facts, I will link a few studies for you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17155977

RESULTS: There were no significant differences in sexual drive, erection, ejaculation, and ejaculation latency time between circumcised and uncircumcised men. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.

Study shows decrease in pleasure.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18086100

Read the study. There was no decrease in sexual pleasure for ADULT CIRCUMCISION.

Just google it. You can find lots of studies, and they will go both ways. You cannot conclude one way or the other, unless you use your feelings.

Cheers mate. /u/quicksiver is also right here.

[-] -Fidelio- 3 Points 7 months ago

I will analyse both sources in seperate posts. Here is the study about sexual pleasure that you mentioned. I didn't just read the abstract, I read the study itself and I'll give you my thoughts on the study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18086100

This is a study done in Uganda. I suppose that is one of the few places in the world where you can have a large study and randomize who gets to have an adult circumcision, as they did for the study. Besides south-saharan africans being genetically substantially different from people with asian or european genetics (which are both much closer to each other).

But that's just my preliminary observations. If I look at how they judged "sexual satisfaction", it is notable that they have it at 98% for uncircumcised and 99.9% at circumcised. In any case, those percentages seem high for either group, so let's look at what it's based on.

Another notable point: 72% has not had a high school education, which explains the juvenile level questions that the results are based on.

The single question that they're basing the result on "no decrease in sexual pleasure" is

Over the past 6 months, how would you generally rate your satisfaction with sexual intercourse? Do you feel; (PROMPTED)

Very satisfied 1

Satisfied 2

Dissatisfied 3

Very dissatisfied 5

No response 9

Other (specify) 6

And they're not publishing the full results of this either; they're combining "very satisfied" and "satisfied", so even if satisfaction decreased somewhat, we wouldn't know from the results they published. Let's say they were not being intentionally deceptive with this, a single question is a very poor way to judge this kind of thing on; typically you want to have a couple of questions that cover it. The other questions all had a 98% result of the first option given in the questionnaire, which may mean they were just trying to get through the questionnaire as quickly as possible. Which given that they had no high school education, they would not likely see the value of such study and were likely given an incentive to participate.

But even if you discard every single thing I wrote above; then a final glaring point remains; both groups had to wear a condom for every sexual encounter for the duration of the study.

[-] 2914iwiK 1 Point 7 months ago

>This is a study done in Uganda.

Right. Demonize the location, rather than focus on the results. That is a common tactic to ignore science and stick to feelings.

>Besides south-saharan africans being genetically substantially different from people with asian or european genetics

Still unrelated to sexual pleasure. Are you really telling me that sexual pleasure is based on race?

> Another notable point: 72% has not had a high school education

Again, has absolutely nothing to do with sexual pleasure. Your level of education does not impact how your dick feels.

>But even if you discard every single thing I wrote above; then a final glaring point remains; both groups had to wear a condom for every sexual encounter for the duration of the study.

You ignored the results of the study for irrelevant reasons that have nothing to do with sexual pleasure.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

Both groups had to wear condoms for every sexual encounter, so each of these points are void in the first place.

Not that I believe that they actually did use condoms every time, but that's another point.

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

In this post I'll analyse the other source you've provided.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed-/17155977

RESULTS: There were no significant differences in sexual drive, erection, ejaculation, and ejaculation latency time between circumcised and uncircumcised men. Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.

Okay, so from that I have to take that there was as you previously claimed:

circumcision has little impact on male sexual pleasure. It really does not matter whether you get it done or not.

But the very quote you give shows that sexual pleasure did decrease. It decreased in a huge way for masturbation. And a larger percent reported that their sex life worsened after circumcision.

So here's another quote from that same study. Their conclusion in full:

There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual functioning many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings

And let's consider the following; they only selected sexually active men for this study. But that's also getting a non-average sample, because we don't know which circumcised men would have been sexually active if they had been uncircumcised.

Finally one more quote from the same study:

However, circumcised men were more than three times more likely to report less enjoyable sex lives after circumcision than better sex lives (28 vs eight men). While decreased sensation was the most frequently cited reason (21 of 28 men) for a less enjoyable sex life, complaints about the physical effects of circumcision on their penises and consequent adverse effects on sex life were also prominent (13 of 28; multiple complaints were separately counted)

So I think these two are very poor sources to support the idea that "Most studies show that circumcision has little impact on male sexual pleasure", because one of the two studies shows that male sexual pleasure does decrease as a result of circumcision and the other is a study that is best thrown in the trash for more than a few reasons.

[-] 2914iwiK 1 Point 7 months ago

>because one of the two studies shows that male sexual pleasure does decrease as a result of circumcision and the other is a study that is best thrown in the trash for more than a few reasons.

You trashed the study that doesn't conform to your viewpoints (feelings), while accepting the study that agrees with you.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

No, I trashed the one that had shit methodology and didn't even check the methodology of the other, because the results proved the opposite of what was claimed.

You are just making this personal feels argument, because you can not address any of the points I've made.

[-] 2914iwiK 1 Point 7 months ago

I did address all your points. I am waiting for your response.

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[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

Let my response to these sources not mislead you: I appreciate that you're taking a factual approach to this. I am always open to the idea that I might be wrong and I place value in the fact that you looked and sourced studies to support your position. It is far more valuable than having any kind of shouting match about these things.

I think if you read the studies carefully and think about them, you will not find them to be a good support of the original position you took. There may be better studies out there that would support it. If you find them, I hope you will continue to share them.

[-] quicksiver -1 Point 7 months ago

Likewise, you should have to source that circumcision does cause decrease sensation, since... you are the one arguing against it.

At the end of the day both will be anecdotal and hard to differentiate what is true and false

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

When people try to publish their findings about circumcision they often run into trouble with the jewish lobby. People are threatened with legal action for simply wanting to study adverse effects of male circumcision.

Also, at the end of the day it's not necessarily anecdotal. After all, there are nerve endings INSIDE the foreskin that is being removed. If you cut off something that has nerve endings, you won't be able to feel those nerves anymore. The frenulum has a higher density of nerve endings than the clitoris or any other part of the penis, including the glans. The frenulum is also removed for a circumcision. There is no debate about whether you lose sensation.

His claim was different though, that there would be little impact on male sexual pleasure, so I was interesting to hear if he was speaking from a position of personal experience or actual studies. He claimed on the basis of studies, so I'm curious which studies those are.

[-] quicksiver 1 Point 7 months ago

Also, at the end of the day it's not necessarily anecdotal. After all, there are nerve endings INSIDE the foreskin that is being removed. If you cut off something that has nerve endings, you won't be able to feel those nerves anymore. The frenulum has a higher density of nerve endings than the clitoris or any other part of the penis, including the glans. The frenulum is also removed for a circumcision. There is no debate about whether you lose sensation.

This is all sound logic, very few people will disagree with this.

However, I still believe that whether sexual performance is increased, decreased or unchanged needs to be researched. You nor the other person can speak from a place of absolute truth.

Personally, I am circumsised and never has it been something that I felt held me back. Why do I care if there may or may not be a slight decrease in sensation? It's easier to clean and maybe a decreased chance of infections and cancer.

Honestly, I'm not sure where I stand on this debate. I can tell you I am in medical school and we strive to use empiric data whenever possible. I'm not doubting that studies may have been silenced or not properly conducted by the powers at be; but there is just no definitive proof to your claims (or anyones)

I will add that at the two hospitals I've done circumcisions at, neither sold the byproducts to other companies. It was just disposed of. So I think that claim mostly comes from weird rich celebrities and I liken it to grinding up rhino horn for medical benefits or eating placentas.

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

What is your interpretation about Eric Clopper being fired from Harvard over the linked presentation? Or the link I just gave?

You're familiar with "do no harm" and if you follow the link about the psychological effect of circumcision on infants, then you would know there can not be a single argument in favor of infant circumcision.

Now as to the topic of degree of sensitivity and sexual pleasure experienced, I agree that it needs to be studied. But I also know that this is a subject that the jewish lobby and lawyers come down hard on. They did soin Iceland, in the Netherlands, in Canada.

My experience with human nature tells me that whatever can not be studied (adverse effects of male circumcision) is likely to be a significant subject and likely to hold truths thst some people are trying to keep in pandora's box.

Can you think of any other reason?

[-] quicksiver 1 Point 7 months ago

I will read over your material and the PTSD sources you linked when I have some time.

Tbh, the PTSD claim sounds like a bunch of bs and it's a non issue in the medical community. PTSD has very specific diagnosis criteria and you are telling me 50% of the male circumcised population has it? Bull fucking shit. In infancy our brain is not developed enough to make those complex connections. (As far as we know). I've seen real PTSD and circumcisions are not causing that. Now, some other psychological conditions?... maybe.

Question, are you circumcised?

[-] -Fidelio- 2 Points 7 months ago

I'll answer personal questions, but not if you refuse to answer the question I've asked first.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 6 Points 7 months ago

Not what I heard; I heard most studies showed there was quite a difference.

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[-] RoninUnderground 9 Points 7 months ago

Then let adults choose whether to have an elective cosmetic surgery. This is about taking that choice from our sons.

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[-] mc_md -5 Point 7 months ago

SMFH, this dude is claiming SIDS is from circumcision. Whole thing is utterly ridiculous. There are arguments for and against circumcision, and then there’s rabid evangelism like this.

[-] allSmallThings 2 Points 7 months ago

The balance of evidence shows that we should keep our hands off babies' genitals.

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[-] Palikan27 -6 Point 7 months ago

Circumcision is a scar that the boy should bear to become a man in traditional societies. Scientific argumentation have nothing to do with it.

[-] -Fidelio- 6 Points 7 months ago

People in the west tend to place some value in scientific argumentation over religious dogma. Do what you gotta do, I guess.

[-] FeralRed -8 Point 7 months ago

Jesus.

Nobody cares.

I was circumcised late (phimosis), so I can tell you there is ZERO difference in cut v.s. uncut.

Besides...

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

Whining about a cut on your dick when you're a baby is such a feminist attitude. What's the point of this?

If stretching your foreskin is a life goal for you, then go for it, but stop trying to drag others into your particular flavor of crazy. What is your desired result? You think creating the magic foreskin will do ANYTHING to enhance your life?

You need better goals.

[-] bonerpotpie 14 Points 7 months ago

Whining about a cut on your dick when you're a baby is such a feminist attitude. What's the point of this?

Not who you're responding to but maybe because if I had a son I wouldn't want his dick mutilated to fit in with ancient historical practices. Set down the kneejerk RP buzzwords and think for a moment.

[-] -Fidelio- 7 Points 7 months ago

I mean the following sentence for your self-reflection, not as a gotcha. For someone who doesn't care, your post sounds quite emotional. I will answer your questions.

Whining about a cut on your dick when you're a baby is such a feminist attitude. What's the point of this?

I am not whining about anything. I am spreading information about a harmful medical practice and informing future fathers about the facts in regards to circumcision. I know that circumcision is regarded as "normal" in the united states (and the other above mentioned countries). It is also considered normal to be a feminist, drink soy, be a bitches betabux and marry a woman.

If it is a false belief, that belief deserves to be destroyed. Just the 51% of circumcised kids that meet PTSD diagnosis alone should be more than enough reason to spread information about this.

The point is help other boys and men from making a mistake. I'm sorry if that hurts the feelings of people with circumcision, though why should it if you personally had no difference?

Not everybody dies when they jump out the window, not everybody who marries gets divorce raped, but if there's a significant chance that these things result in something negative, then it should be pointed out for the benefit of others.

What is your desired result?

For boys to stop being mutilated against their wish

You think creating the magic foreskin will do ANYTHING to enhance your life?

I have a foreskin. I am doing this for other's benefit. Not sure why you think that should need to be defended.

[-] FeralRed -7 Point 7 months ago

Re. 51% PTSD... logical fallacy... Correlation is not causation.

"harmful medical practice". So what? Harmful in what way?

Say we live in a culture where the right of passage into manhood is to be cut on the left bicep and scarred forever.

Is that bad/harmful/unrefined?

No. Just part of the culture you live in.

"I am doing this for other's benefit." Here's your crown of thorns. It's not an issue.

And stop with the "mutilated" "ptsd" "false belief" trigger/container words... you sound like a woman.

[-] pm_me_tangibles 9 Points 7 months ago

Either you haven’t been circumcised or you are in denial.

The links between circumcision and dysfunction are clear for anyone who can look without a deep seated bias. There is nothing wrong or feminised about speaking out against institutionalised reduction in male sexual pleasure from birth. It is mutilation and it can cause PTSD in any infant old enough to have awareness of the amputation.

[-] FeralRed -4 Point 7 months ago

PTSD...

"I shot 24 guys in the face as a sniper and that haunts me."

V.S.

" I can't remember someone cutting my peepee, but I must have been traumatized by it. Now I hang weights from my dick to try get back that missing foreskin."

Definitely equivalent PTSD.

I'm cut. WAY Late. Puberty. Which means you didn't even read. I prefer my mutilated dick, as does my triple digit n-count.

Fuck. It's a non issue, akin to having pierced ears.

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[-] Thunderfin 1 Point 7 months ago

Agree with you. This was my comment:

I don't see the purpose of this post. First of all, it's not really relevant to this sub's purpose. Then, you talk about increased PTSD / anxiety, yet by posting this, you've probably caused circumcised men to feel more anxious, since circumcision is irreversible. Especially those who may have had their son(s) circumcised. Lastly, who are you to tell people what to do? I'm sure we have more than a few Jewish, Muslim, etc. members who believe in circumcision. This feels like someone trying to stuff superfluous information down my throat. Surprised and dismayed this wasn't removed.