I was informed of something very interesting by a plate yesterday (lets call her Akiko).
She was laying in bed and I was rummaging through my fridge for something to eat after having a shower. I didn't feel like spending the afternoon with her - she had been hinting at going to see a movie together (I avoid almost any activity that could be described as a date with my plates once I get them spinning on less they start to fall off then a lunch date or a dinner might happen if me cooking at home isn't enough to stem their sway), I told her I had other plans.
"What plans" she asks.
"I have a meeting with a heavy Iron bar" I responded
..... ..... Silence ..... .....
"How about you help me with that secret mission of yours" (its a joke we share, making her cum from sex) she asks.
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"Nagh, Im not the kind of man to skip his meetings" "ok mister, your loss" she says with optimism.
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"You care more about yourself than you do getting pussy" she offers.
It hit me hard hearing her say that, she was right. I do care more about myself than getting laid, and it feels fucking empowering. I drove her home, we made plans to catch up again in a few days time to work more on my mission and parted ways.
- Never negotiate for sex.
- Never concede who you are for her will when it doesnt server both of you.
- Hold frame, even when you feel there is no need to.
- You are the prize, at all times.
Leonidas_79 5y ago
Bruhhhh nothing makes me harder. Had something similar with a co-worker I’d been working on and already have in my pocket.
-”So you gonna walk me home today?^bats ^eyelids ”
-”Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm no. ”
-”No!?..... :( “
-”No. I already told you I was going to the gym”
And you just see the look of confusion and annoyance like “IM GOING TO MAKE HIM WANT THIS PUSSY!!”
Love it. Made her chase even harder.
Demiurge_Decline 5y ago
I wouldv'e been impressed had this been the first or 2nd date. After you have been with a woman and gotten off dozens of times, then its not hard to prioritize. Had this been the 2nd date or youve never been intimate, I wouldve been impressed. Good write up though. Truth still stands.
le_wolfe 5y ago
How did your meeting with the heavy iron bar go?
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BostonPillParty 5y ago
Hold. The. Line.
When men care more about themselves and their development, life has a funny way of starting to revolving around them like the sun.
Good job.
CasaDeFranco 5y ago
The most powerful word in negotiation is no.
It's a cruel irony that women want you to invest increasingly more time in them, but the moment you do you lose value because you acquiesce.
banthrow 5y ago
There has to be a balance. My LTR dumped me because I dreaded her too much, spend too little time with her and she fucked another men.
DopeIsMean 5y ago
Albeit irony, it is at the very core of what TRP taught me. It is a realization that broke me of my blue pill ways...
NorthEasternNomad 5y ago
This so succinctly sums up everything a guy needs to know about dating...well said.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
In my bluepill days when I would turn girls down and make them chase me I would tell myself that there must be something wrong with them because they always defaulted to crazy tactics to spend time with me.....
TheReformist94 5y ago
This shit only works if they like you. Women select the men they mate with period. Otherwise they'll up and leave and service one of the other 20 cocks on stand by they got
endertheend 5y ago
This is why lifting is important.
Increases the women that will like you.
TimmyTurnersNuts 5y ago
That last part, I haven’t experienced until the past 6 months. Shittttttt women will do and say ANYTHING to get some dick/be with you
thepontiff_ 5y ago
The gem comment of the thread especially that last part.
TheLensOfEvolution 5y ago
I mean, they’re wired to do whatever it takes to get sperm. If they don’t, their genes die out. History is littered with the corpses of women who gave up chasing men and ended their bloodline.
xtralargerooster 5y ago
It's a little bit the opposite there boss... We are wired naturally to be donors... They are wired for selectivity... The whole point of this post demonstrates this specifically. When you care more about yourself than "pussy" you are sending a clear message that you are confident you are prized and aren't stressed you are going to fall out of the genetic pool. That portrays a sense of value clear enough that they won't just select you but will put in the effort to chase you too... If they see other women competing with them then that reinforces to her your sexual value and she will double down her efforts.
The Red Pill is more about understanding that the comforts in life for men are in their very nature self destructive for a man. Always fight complacency, never become gluttonous of comforts.
You have misconstrued this basic premise and have perverted your own frustrations into disrespect.
Zeimma 5y ago
Actually this isn the case as much as you think. Genetic history tells us that most woman procreate while the majority of the men die out. In some studdies I've seen it's a 17:1 raito of women to men reproducing. "Whatever it takes" for a woman is dirt simple, just accept sex and done. Basically I just don't understand your comment would you mind explaining it more?
votre-mere 5y ago
That boils down to:
Oh shit all the men are dead
Oh shit I want to have children
Oh shit I guess I've got to fuck the ugly weak guys, who didn't go to war and die, before any other women do
It applies rather interestingly to modern AF/BB mechanics, only instead of them dying in war, it's the women hitting the wall.
dryenz 5y ago
a.k.a fitness test, never let her take any conclusion about your feelings, she’ll persuade you to do that, but only AFC fall for that
Fryguy48 5y ago
I don't think I understand, would you explain it?
dryenz 5y ago
A woman should never think that she has control over you, should never know how much you love her, they want to be loved, but problem is that attraction doesn’t work like logic, it means that if you show her that you love her, she instantly loses interest, that’s why she must be in a situation where she asks herself if you love her or not, she must be confused
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dank4us12 5y ago
Size is the prize! Swole is the goal! It's gains o'clock motherfuckers!
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MoDuReddit 5y ago
RF does get me pumped. Did you know today is international chest day?
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CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
I love going, I especially love going after I have told myself every excuses to not show up.
Killing my inner bitch has been the best.
Jenny-Taylia 5y ago
I did that today but much further behind on the timeline. Finally paid for the gym, did shopping, going to get an early one and try something new for once instead of reading field reports and saying "women are crazy"
Veretox 5y ago
That feeling is life itself. Like, you lay in bed after work, too tired to move a muscle, but You stand UP and swing that fucking clanging piece of iron at the gym like a sword, devouring all your weaknesses with each stroke of a brush.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
I like to take it easy on myself, some days are a real struggle, no worries 20 min session 5x5 get in, get out.
Veretox 5y ago
The further you are to your limit, the harder it gets. Don't let yourself down, don't take it easy, it is easy to waste potential. It is a lot harder to fulfill yourself.
Yourgonnagofarkid 5y ago
20 min session is a warm up, what?
psycho_sid 5y ago
nah, some of the most efficient sessions last 20 minutes. I've made some fantastic gains training for less than 20 minutes 5 times a week. the 5x5 are awesome like that. (assuming you target one muscle per session and mix in core exercises while you wait)
Brantmobile 5y ago
I truly hope by "target muscle" you mean movement. If you're actually running 5 x 5 on target MUSCLES, dear lord help your soul...
psycho_sid 5y ago
yea, my bad; one exercise, ie I only do bench press, squats, deads, overhead press and barbell rows on 5x5
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pieredforlife 5y ago
You are the boss . However you will be spending the night with your right hand
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
Hahahaha you got me there, but to be fair I romanced the fuck out of myself first.
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OfficeDoug 5y ago
It's hard to understand that sometimes we can be the prizes, but this reading make a certain point at negotiations.
fcking77 5y ago
Great, it's good to say no sometimes.
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abudun79 5y ago
Because everyone that's what everyone does.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
I like to let people know that I enjoy asian women.
zarathustrahhh 5y ago
I, too, have Asian fever. Luckily my city is full of them. I just don't feel the same way about white girls. They tend to have shitty habits, shitty hygiene, too much fat, and they embody the worst of the worst of what we call AWALT.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
I see the AWALT tendencies but they are just a better quality women to me, And yes, my city has more than I can ever get through.
3d_truth 5y ago
I am sleepy and read the last sentence as you are the pizza, at all times
MasterfulStudent 5y ago
Once you internalize this truth, you will finally reach enlightenment.
OfficerWade 5y ago
I love how you didn’t subject yourself to any criticisms by lying. You were bold and it gets you very far in life compared to low life pick up artists. You get an A+
it_takes_the_redpill 5y ago
5 bucks says her name is legitimately Akiko.
SocialEng 5y ago
Dedicates a name for her for the story... Never calls her by the name again.
Twentyfivedeep 5y ago
Next season of American Dad there'd better be an episode name "Steve learns AWALT."
gains_o_clock 5y ago
honestly laughed when I read that
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Alpha_Jedi 5y ago
A great reminder post. Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
Most welcome friend, I should file a field report from our first date but it would just read like bad TRP fan fiction.
Alpha_Jedi 5y ago
If it's true, then post away. Sure there will always be haters but someone will learn from it. Cheers.
send_it_for_the_boys 5y ago
Nice work! I’ve left a girls house who was all over me just to go to the gym. Got to build the Mental toughness too!
MangoRefreshments 5y ago
So true, mental toughness is equally as important.
Yourgonnagofarkid 5y ago
Thats physical and mental discipline at its finest, keep it up
Ihatemoi 5y ago
In my Blue Pill Days (I have always lifted, even in those times), I wanted to go to the gym after waking up with the girl in my arms and having fucked her like crazy. She of course started to call me out on how obsessed I was with the gym, my body, how there are more important things in life etc.
Needless to say as I was BP, I stayed with here, I felt shameful. NOT ANYMORE. FUCK THAT.
send_it_for_the_boys 5y ago
Done the same thing in my bluepill days. Hey..benches before wenches. ????????
Newbosterone 5y ago
My goto for rejecting a woman's frame is "You say that like it's a bad thing".
gonzo1986_2017 5y ago
Did she try and shit test you again? What Happened after that "incident"?
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
WOW, I wouldnt call it an "incident", it was just her reacting with direct communication to express her frustration. One day she will find a nice beta one day and turn him into a wage slave (shes openly admitted to this plan).
halfback910 5y ago
It's long term vs. short term. Yes in the short term you can get more sex by skipping that workout. In the long term you'll get less.
magx01 5y ago
Nice brag post disguised as a "lesson."
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nasenbohrer 5y ago
so you answered to her "You care more about yourself than you do getting pussy" or did you just not respond to that ?
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
I just said "yep" cause I wasnt fully sure if I was being shit tested or not.
abudun79 5y ago
I am missing the point in your post. It seems like you stopped in the middle. Nothing happened. Or is the point that your plate did not break?
You wrote about no accomplishment because of that mentality and then praise it in four points of absolutes.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
I'm illistraiting something that struck me as she said it in that moment, her recognition of somthing I was internalizing honestly made my day.
Aureayte 5y ago
OP showed abundance when he declined pussy for the gym. Which yes maintained his plate and made it even better. Girls want guys that other girls want. Maybe try reading the comments to get a better understanding
abudun79 5y ago
I completely understood that all, I just cannot find "the point" he tried to make in the story he told. At least not to a degree that justifies a post, apart from being happy he did it.
Self-honest 5y ago
This post has a ton of great points all boiled down very nicely.
He's already not spending an extra minute on her than he desires to. He wanted a shower and some food. He moved on to a shower and some food.
And he was already making that clear to her through his actions.
Girls communicate covertly. Pick up on her hints, laugh them off, maintain your plans and your frame.
Again showing through his actions that he wasn't committing more time or effort to her. And keeping it vague makes her hamster start spinning about the other girls he may be meeting.
Bitch maintainence.
She's chasing. That's just an example of how to keep that dynamic at play. Spin away little hamster.
Silence is golden. If you're strong enough to stay more silent in the silent times, you will enjoy the rewards. I love this answer because OP might as well still be going to fuck other bitches. Improving himself when already not committing to Akiko will make him less likely to commit to her in the future, this making her work harder to please him.
So she attempts to see what, if any power her pussy holds.
I'm stealing that, OP. That "secret mission, secret agent" shit is gold.
Casually declining sex and keeping a prior committment to himself is making a statement about what an awesome man he is.
She sounds like a child , she's happy with the answer.
And it stands out to her. It's makes OP seem better than all the weak, no willpower, thirsty motherfuckers out there. And she loves it. Women don't communicate overtly. The fact that she's saying it directly means she fully hooked.
Well played.
Even if it's a simple "yes" when you have something else planned. You can't always be available, sex doesn't change that. You hold the sex card, she gives that pussy up when you want it. The second you blow something important off for sex, she sees you in a different light. She knows she can use sex to manipulate you. It won't be the last time. Make sure there is no first time.
Be the stronger one in every way.
Everything is a power play on her part. Even if it doesn't feel like it.
God damn correct.
abudun79 5y ago
I like to see that we agree on the details. Thanks for your efforts!
Aureayte 5y ago
Pretty sure you can see all that through a) the title and b) the bullet points at the end of his post
abudun79 5y ago
Maybe my expectation is to high. I'm just not the guy that hands out participation trophies.
baseballfan0 5y ago
Just hold frame brah you didn't get laid cause you don't spin plates run kino escalation brah
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NormalAndy 5y ago
Girls function to shit test. First be in a position to realize it, next be in a position to welcome it.
rcsob 5y ago
Commenting to save this for a rainy day.
Stabiel 5y ago
That story is the story that kick started me taking the red pill in the first place.
swolemanriver 5y ago
Ugh. Reality can be a drag.
ManguZa 5y ago
He didn't do everything right. He didn't frighten her that he'ld leave if she don't behave. And/or he didn't choose a woman who had already integrate that infidelity have consequences. They are like children they need to be discplined.
Be better than others & be sure that she understand that you leave her the second she don't behave.
smallpoly 5y ago
Ask yourself, what kind of leader focuses on threats and discipline to get others to follow him? If that were your boss at work, would you want to stick around or would you be shopping around for a new job?
He's doing fine. He's respecting himself and sticking to his goals over the whims of others.
ManguZa 5y ago
There are threats and there are consequences. All leader use consequences, all the time. You don't do correctly your work? You're demoted or fired (or bankruptcy if you work for yourself). And you know it, that's why you give your best. No consequences? Well if i'm payed the same i stay at home and watch Netflix.
WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 5y ago
To me (as in what I get from these exchanges) it's a matter of prioritizing yourself first and setting the bar for them. If they chose not to meet that bar, as a friend of mine used to to say, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. IE meet the bar I've set or make space for someone who will. Some will stay, others will leave. Simple.
smallpoly 5y ago
Your previous comment sounds much more like the kind of boss that tries to keep people on their toes all the time, either out of insecurity or because he's trying to exploit you as much as possible. It's not a place you're going to want to stick around in if you can help it, even if the pay is good.
We all know how employment works and what happens if you make yourself a liability. You can tell what's not going to fly without anything needing to be said because it's already shown in the dynamic.
ManguZa 5y ago
Maybe it's something that some women need to be reminded regurlarly in a relationship.
smallpoly 5y ago
There's a time and a place for that, and actions speak louder than words. If someone is acting shitty, a self-respecting man won't feel the need to be around that person.
ManguZa 5y ago
Well, it's the nature of women to shit testing. Do you leave each time one do it? Or do you make her learn to behave with you?
English is not my first language but i'm pretty sure i didn't talked about threats. Just to be sure that she knows, and dreads the consequences.
smallpoly 5y ago
The goal is for her to see you as a leader worth following, and follow you out of admiration, respect, and not wanting to let you down. That kind of mindset can't be forced or negotiated.
Shit tests - if you want to find out if someone is going to be unbreakable in tough situations without just waiting for them to occur naturally, you have to try to bend them. Caving in shows weakness, anger shows insecurity, and either show a lack of self control. This is where approaches like agree and
escalateamplify come in. If she can get under your skin, then you aren't the rock she's looking for.Edit: corrections
ManguZa 5y ago
Escalate what? I don't talk about having sex with her, who cares about that. I talk about making her submit to you. Of course it's not something you do with a plate (honestly who even try to do everything right with those?). But if you build a relationship with a woman you should train her to behave. If you don't, there is no need to be surprised when she cheat on you.
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She is right and correct. Sex is sex. There's 300,000,000 adult females in the world.
There is only 1 you***. So of course you put yourself before pussy.
*** if you don't believe in spirituality / Self.
SheenCharlie 5y ago
There’s way more than 300 million adult females lol. It’s in the billions
The_Real_Cannaman 5y ago
U gonna travel to the center of africa
tylerden 5y ago
Domt go to Africa, I live in Africa. Its like theNational Geographic here...and not in a good way.
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SheenCharlie 5y ago
We’re talking about how many adult females are in the world, not what my travel plans are.
The_Real_Cannaman 5y ago
K, i just hate this argument, like you can travel 24/7.
SheenCharlie 5y ago
I can travel whenever I please but I have no clue what that has anything to do with a statistic?....
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CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
lol I think ill keep this one around, shes meets some criteria that drives me wild.
Self-honest 5y ago
Good job. You got the right idea man.
flee_market 5y ago
As long as it is on YOUR terms!!! She dictates nothing! She can get with the program or she can get lost!
There are a million other women out there, and thousands of them with her "criteria".
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2muchtequila 5y ago
So I'm the first to admit that I think a lot of redpill stuff goes overboard.
That said, acting confidently uninterested did more to attract women than any bad pickup lines, negging or "game" ever could.
It's not about being mean, or rude or putting them down. It's about showing that you're fine no matter the outcome. You go home with the girl? great! She turns you down? Who cares, there will be others, it's her loss, not yours. There's no need to be mean about it, she's already lost out, move on and don't look back.
When I see guys doing things like negging it looks like the opposite of being fine with whatever outcome. You care so much about getting a prize you're expending energy to purposely make someone unhappy.
I had a woman explain it to me that when we first met I had such an air of "I don't need you because I'm already awesome" that it drove her crazy. She pursued me to prove me wrong, and when I didn't pursue her back it only pushed her further. She was beautiful and smart, so she wasn't used to having guys not fall all over her.
Again, I wasn't mean about it, pretty much the exact opposite actually. I was friendly and a little flirty but I had other people I wanted to talk to at the party so I wasn't just hanging around her. I'd say hi, offer her a drink chat for a couple minutes and move on.
Pretty much like OP said, YOU are the prize. Just do your best to constantly be improving yourself and have confidence in your knowledge that in the end, if someone doesn't want you, it's not your loss.
flee_market 5y ago
As if it should be any other way?!
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GarytheGreat123 5y ago
Most guys it’s the other way
nekosenshi 5y ago
In my country I would be called a stupid or a madman for doing that, for most people here a woman is more important that self integrity and discipline and they are willing to do anything to get their hands on one and get laid, most of them are bluepilled also.
BewareTheOldMan 5y ago
"In my country...a woman is more important that self integrity and discipline and [men] are willing to do anything to get their hands on one and get laid, most of them are blue pilled..."
That's the unfortunate power and strength of lifetime Blue Pill Conditioning. What's even worse is there are women who take full advantage of these desperate men - and these men allow it.
This does not bode well for your fellow countrymen. Their time would be better spent on their own personal development and self-improvement.
I'm not saying that men don't have to put zero effort toward pursuing women, but the pursuit of women should NEVER be a man's primary focus.
A man's primary focus is his "mission" - whatever that is...and it most certainly does not include women.
GarytheGreat123 5y ago
What country if you don’t mind me asking ?
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
It could apply to a lot of countries. The USA is pretty blue-pilled. The whole "happy wife, happy life" BS and men pretty much lose power once they get married.
PrideInIndividuality 5y ago
Just curious, which country?
nekosenshi 5y ago
Uruguay, from experience I could say that most of the women here are a selfish, egocentric, and unbeliviable believed, even some bizarre overweight woman can get laid easily has there's always some desperate guy willing to bang her, even if her personality is terrible, and with most people plugged to social media, they can get validation with no effort, has a result their ego is so high that you can climb it and do a base jump from it, although this is probably like this in most western world.
Disquedisxo 5y ago
I didnt expect a fellow uruguayan
finclover9 5y ago
In a relationship, the person willing to walk away has the most power. You gave a great example of that, nice job.
PrideInIndividuality 5y ago
In a financial transaction too.
mattattack3000 5y ago
“I have a meeting with a heavy iron bar” bro just say you’re going to lift LOL
EnragedParrot 5y ago
I thought it was a great line
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
hahaha yeah yeah, she caught me off guard trying to grab some nibbles.
norwaydre 5y ago
Women want you even more after you tell them no, it’s like they can’t handle it
smallpoly 5y ago
The ability to say no shows security and options. It's also easier to respect people that don't seem like they can be easily manipulated.
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Kyogata 5y ago
Girls like it when you place your own physical health and fitness first. They want a healthy man who's going to be strong in the years ahead. I regularly put yoga or lifting ahead of meetups with women. They get turned on by it.
Self-honest 5y ago
Great example man.
You can only truly commit to one person at a time. Be committed to yourself and things will work out as well as they possibly can.
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She, too, was truly dumbfounded at such a bad response.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
I have always been more handsome than smart. In case it pops up again in my life, what do you think I should go with next time to communicate what is needed?
BlackMarmoset 5y ago
Somebody with a scarcity mentality would think you turned town an easy lay for nothing. Somebody with abundance mentality would see that you were being offered something you already have (free access of sex) in exchange for giving up something you wanted to do and making something she wanted to do.
I find fascinating how accepting that simple exchange would have resulted in her learning that she can buy you off with sex, and consequently making you lose frame and likely her in the long run. No negotiation with hoes, must be your way or the door.
Btw I liked the secret mission thing, hoes love mystery.
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dsldragon 5y ago
lol, red piller down the road ended up bangin her while you were at the gym
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
Lol, I guess you could say, she isnt mine, its just my turn...
psycho_sid 5y ago
And if OP is red piller (which he def sounds like) and she's a plate, he won't care if another is banging her. I never asked, and didn't care. You shouldn't.
dsldragon 5y ago
sounds like bullshit to me
psycho_sid 5y ago
then you've never experienced multiple plates and everything in life going as fucking great as it can be. Once you have, if you ever do, you'll know it's not. I seriously didn't give a fuck. I had a girl that was a stretching coach for the cirque du soleil gymnastic athletes, and she was a good 8, but with an insane body and well, great flexibility. She was telling me how guys at work wanted something serious with her and that I should go LTR with her, that I risked losing her. I DIDN'T give a fuck. And that was early in my awakening. SO many other times. Anyways, you can think what you want. I know you've never had that from your reaction.
dsldragon 5y ago
lol, you care enough to write a paragraph justification . . . it still sounds like bullshit. go ahead write another paragraph, lol
psycho_sid 5y ago
I cared enough to reply to your legit bullshit accusation. If you chose not to believe it's fine. If ever you're in the Ottawa area, hit me up. We'll meet and you'll believe.
dsldragon 5y ago
there's a cattle farm up the road . . . that's as far as i care to go to view bullshit
whydib 5y ago
You care enough to respond 3 times. If its Bullshit, why do you care so much?
domable19 5y ago
Play nice my sons. We are all here for enlightenment, this is not literal fight club so let's all be adults here and "debate", not argue please. Although i wish someone would start a literal fight club and like leave a mysterious letter in my mailbox or something lol. You guys are cool and i appreciate you but i require "space." Feeling a bit suffocated to some extent. Unless you catch me work then is cool because I'm always in a good mood when making money, or at the gym.
dsldragon 5y ago
calling out bullshit is a hobby of mine
MindFuktd 5y ago
Gotta agree...maybe he got some pussy, has a couple oneitises, still reeks of self-delusion to me as well.
I think Ross Jeffries once said if you believe you are the god of the universe you'll walk outside and end up stepping in a big pile of dog shit
7mile_ 5y ago
Why you so bitter about OP and others turning down pussy because they got better things to do? Not everyone puts pussy on a pedestal like you.
I bet youre the type of guy who would do anything or say anything just to get a piece of action. That's sad.
dsldragon 5y ago
im the type of guy who calls bullshit when i see it. you can be sad all you like.
phenethyljammin 5y ago
There's a fine line between realism and delusional cynicism and you've crossed it.
I pity you.
dsldragon 5y ago
alright sigmund freud thanks for the pity party . . . still bullshit
victor_knight 5y ago
More men should learn how to reject women.
CMajorThe3rd 5y ago
MGTOW isnt for me, im 6 foot tall, lean and mean ;)
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