Cliffs:
- Man punches woman? Life + career ruined. Game over.
- Woman punches man? It's ok bro, suck it up.
- Woman cuts man's genitals? Talk shows laugh and make jokes.
- Man cuts woman's genitals? Life in prison.
- Guy beats his boyfriend? Who cares.
- Guy beats his girlfriend? 5-year jail sentence.
- Apartment building burns down? Women and children first. Men left last/to die.
- Want to go to college? Men have to sign up for selective service, symbolizing giving their life for their country JUST TO GET FINANCIAL AID.
- Women want to go to college? Just fill out FAFSA and that's that.
- Breast cancer awareness? Women have a whole month. NFL wears pink ribbons.
- Prostate cancer awareness? Lol wot?
- Woman claims rape against guy even without evidence? Jail.
- Man claims rape against women? Hah, pussy. Suck it up.
- Female teacher has sex with 13-year old boy? Sentences to community service. Guys make fun of him for telling.
- Male teacher has sex with 13-year old female? FBI 10 most wanted child molesters.
- Guy runs away from family? Deadbeat dad.
- Woman runs away from family? Poor woman. Probably abused and psychologically tortured.
Cliffs of Cliffs: In the western world, women own men.
I mean, I could go on and on and on. But sorry, your life means less than a woman/female's life in more ways than one. You may or may not agree with me, but society has already chosen.
So how do you feel being valued less just because you were born with a dick between your legs? Discuss pls.
[deleted] 9y ago
More like a whole fucking year. I even see dem ribbons up during November.
Then again, men dealing with this shit is mostly our fault.
Men need to identify as a separate political entity just as women do in order to prevent their exploitation. Women identify as female first, regardless of race/religion, and battle ferociously to take away the due process of men in order to guarantee their safety/protection. Men, on the other hand, are separated by race/religion and care about those first before Men's Rights.
hashtagpound2point2 9y ago
In Canada we have Movember where everyone grows a stache to raise money for prostate cancer. Certainly only a fraction of the funding and awareness breast cancer gets though.
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There's something that feels wrong about Movember in Canada though. It's become this massive hipster follower movement instead of something voluntary. Like the ALS challenge people don't even really donate, they just join in on the meme to be cool.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I think Movember is actually international. I think it was going on in the US and Australia.
Ill_mumble_that 9y ago
Yes sir, except most of us didn't know it was about prostrate cancer. Instead just awesome excuse to grow winter beard.
RPstudent 9y ago
From a RP perspective this is at the heart of sexual strategy.
Men are the disposable sex. This has been true for millennia. The primary reason why is that within a young woman are a finite chances at additional humans to propagate the species. Men can produce infinite amounts of sperm. Therefore from a strict logical perspective, men are disposable because they are so easily replaceable.
This is why hypergamy exists. Women have evolved to filter for quality males. This just proves in a nutshell, why TRP is so important.
Be a quality male.
krakosia 9y ago
true at the very core of life itself - every man produces millions of sperm with each ejaculation. Every woman produces one egg every month.
tracer123 9y ago
The world is trying it's hardest to fuck you over if you are a man, it's the strongest that rise to the top and then in the end get the mates. Turning up and even competing puts you at a better advantage than most. Work a little bit harder and smarter and you are on your way.
[deleted] 9y ago
And if you're a woman the world is just trying to fuck you.
circlhat 9y ago
Actually its not always like that, and in the pass millennial women were far more disposable and treating like property, you associate disposability with the fact men have to fight.
Be honest, do you really want a army of women fighting your enemy that is using men. You need your stronger and bravest to fight
Fighting for your country is the goal, not dying for your country.
The government without feminist out of the equations screws women over just like men.
Hypergamy allows men that aren't the fittest to actually have a chance at children, you can have money, looks or attitude, whereas a women only has looks.
Look at the middle east, do you really think men are disposable world wide? A women caught sleeping with a men will get stoned to death , the men will get a new girl.
chakravanti93 9y ago
So, logically, women should be the most valuable commodity toward proliferating the next generation
Yet they are 2.2B and we're barely scratching out 1. Maybe it's not about actually treating women with their logical value assignment. At least not in the sense of identifying with the greater social order we might consider ourselves of.
We talk about population boom and attribute it to technological development.
Here we see that's just not true by any stretch of the imagination.
RPstudent 9y ago
kindly refrain from projecting your biases onto my argument.
At no point did I assert anything like that. That is not, has not and never will be how I base disposability
Nicolay77 9y ago
I think most countries now want to be the first one to have an army of drones instead of humans.
[deleted] 9y ago
Honestly if I was working on one of those cruise ships that was going down I would get my ass on one of the life boats. I would rather live a coward than die a 'hero'.
Ill_mumble_that 9y ago
If you hold frame you can be the hero that helped women get onto the raft you are already on.
[deleted] 9y ago
Now that is a redpill answer if I've ever heard one.
Ill_mumble_that 9y ago
Opportunity is everywhere for those who are bold enough to lead.
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FortunateBum 9y ago
There's a certain freedom you have when no one gives a fuck about you. We can take way more risks and get way less attention. It's the only advantage we have as men. Take advantage of it.
krakosia 9y ago
losing all hope is freedom.
[deleted] 9y ago
This is one thing that people don't understand, no one gives a fuck about us so its easy to pass under the radar. Our worth for most people is directly proportioned to how much value we provide to them.
This is actually good in many ways, because people don't give much spare though to you or your happiness. This of course can be seen as a negative or a positive however you wish to view it.
[deleted] 9y ago
I agree with this. If you're a guy you can move away, travel, fuck women, pay minimal taxes, start a killer business, not have a kid etc. No one will care. It seems like women give in to societal norms more easily.
[deleted] 9y ago
Just remember, MGTOW is about not getting locked into the raping that life deals men over their lives. Tax, funding an entire set of kids, paying more tax than you'll ever recieve through pensions and/or healthcare, do the math. Buying that house, mortaging, health insurance, life insurance, car insurance.
[deleted] 9y ago
That isn't exactly from MGTOW.
This is called "the new rich" according to Tim Ferriss from 4hww and other "lifestyle designers." It's just leveraging your lifestyle by not buying into all of the traditional shit that you listed.
sailorJery 9y ago
You don't pay tax to receive a direct financial benefit down the road, that's an extremely flawed perception of the role of taxation. You pay taxes to contribute to the society that you enjoy, now when I say enjoy I mean benefit from. Be it schools to keep people at a basic level of education or social programs that keep the elderly in their homes. There are indirect benefits you reap that makes taxation not only necessary but morally compelling.
[deleted] 9y ago
As someone with all of those "raping deals": the house, the marriage, every kind of insurance....
Every decision you make is a tradeoff between Something Now and Something Later. A tradeoff between stability and flexibility. You can have your pick of a slowly-shrinking pool of options, or you can pick one and hang on for the ride.
If you make an informed choice about something, understanding the risks, you are not being raped. Choosing to save for retirement, for example; yes, you lose money now that you could spend on things you'd enjoy, but if you manage to survive until later, you will appreciate your actions.
Choosing to have children: you do realize some men actually want to raise kids, right? It's not just "funding" them, there's more to it than just raw resource input. But, it's a commitment, escaping from it is expensive, and so again, you need to make an informed decision - not something in the heat of the moment, not something under duress or pressure. These decisions are essentially irreversible. They need to be taken seriously.
MGTOW are making their own tradeoffs. Every decision results in the potential for some amount of regret. There are men in their 50s and older that never had kids that wish they had; there are men that age with grandchildren that wish they'd done something else entirely. A lot of this will depend on their actions leading up to their irreversible decision, and on the life context they're making the decision in.
What's your fucking point?
My point is that TRP, in my view, should not be about shaming perfectly reasonable life decisions. Having children, buying a house, getting insurance, none of these things are unreasonable, stupid, or necessarily in any way a "raping" - but you can get fucked over on any or all of them if you're stupid and uninformed and make a rash decision that you haven't thought about.
TRP is supposed to be about sharing wisdom on topics that affect men regardless of their political correctness. Negotiation techniques for a man to use in the purchase of a home, car, or insurance policy would fit in with that, because they involve some of the same frame-holding aspects a man would use elsewhere in life.
dontaddmuch 9y ago
I wish this subreddit followed more along the lines of your last paragraph.
circlhat 9y ago
Marriage is never fair period, you can have a LTR without one, it provides 0 benefits and having two separate entities is stronger than one.
If you go into debt you can use your girlfriends credit, but if you are married than you both are screwed.
Marriage has 0 upside
sailorJery 9y ago
I think it has benefits for custody of children
[deleted] 9y ago
Can't one strike a balance?
Don't get married until you've built up your career or business, likewise, don't have kids until you are readily able to finance raising them and paying for college.
Peak SMV around these parts has been depicted around the age of 36. But men have less to worry about when it comes to losing SMV if they are able to maintain themselves throughout adult life.
widec 9y ago
I wouldn't say that's the only advantage. I'm a lot more capable to defend myself or run away from an attacker for instance. Part of that is my strong adrenaline response though, not sure if being a male plays a factor there.
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[deleted] 9y ago
And I say its by design. I think society has been engineered to marginalize men so they are less of a threat to the status quo. laugh all you want IDC.
MysogynyIsFun 9y ago
In an idea world, women past menopause would be sent to war as they have no biological value.
pupplenupple 9y ago
There's a theory that when people breed at a natural rate without modern medical care, menopause is perfectly aligned with the maths of at what stage it becomes more rational for a woman to devote her energies to her existing children and her future grandchildren rather than continue to risk her life producing children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmother_hypothesis#The_grandmother_effect
Nicolay77 9y ago
They would have no scruples about killing as well.
Their lack of physical strength makes them not optimal.
[deleted] 9y ago
Technology is changing that. Drones, robotic armor suits, computerized weaponry.
GeneralKraeg 9y ago
TRP is also about forming your own image of self-value.
Yes, men are perceived by society as less valuable. It's probably even part of our DNA because back in the prehistoric days it was less tragic for a tribe to lose half of its men as opposed to half of its women because of the reproductive differences in the genders (not to mention that from a genetic perspective it's not a bad thing when less capable men died, unable to pass on their inferior DNA).
But is this a reflection of the truth? Are men the less valuable sex? Men built computers, discovered and split the atom, and put one of their own on the moon. While women are valuable just for being fertile and being female; us men have the potential, necessity even to become valuable through our actions and accomplishments. Without action our DNA and lifeline will cease to exist.
I'd bet we would become frail and meek if we were constantly being rewarded with free stuff and attention from the opposite sex without having done anything to deserve it other than having a penis (and not being massively overweight).
Yes, the game of sexual strategy is asymmetric; but I wouldn't want to be on the other side.
trias_e 9y ago
Seriously, and it's not anything to get mad about, nor is it an injustice.
Yep, the average woman's life is more important than the average male's life in every society (except in post-war situations where the sex ratio is massively skewed).
Women don't own men. But the average woman has more value than the average men. This is something that is intrinsically understood by everyone. There's a reason that both men and women alike will prefer to save a random woman over a random man, and it's not socialization.
While the value of the average man is less than the value of the average woman, the potential value of a man far outweighs the potential value of a woman. Men hit the ends of the bell curve in most tests and most traits. Men make up the vast majority of millionaries, and the vast majority of the homeless and prison populations. You were born as the 'riskier' sex, assuming you are male. It's no more an injustice than the fact that women have periods, and have to deal with the physical ramifications of pregnancy while you don't.
tallwheel 9y ago
Don't you think that in a modern and logical society we ought to try to get away from some of our more base biological natures and try to value everybody just as much, regardless of whether they are capable of shitting babies out or not?
trias_e 9y ago
I think that's about as possible as willing yourself to be sexually attracted to a 70 year old woman.
Imagine yourself in bed with your wife or even girlfriend. You hear an intruder break in. You don't say, "well honey, since both our lives have equal value, lets go together to face this threat." Nor does she think that. You go and put yourself in immediate danger to protect her. That, intrinsically, her life is more valuable than yours is programmed into both of your DNA. Now, you may become more valuable by successfully warding off that intruder, but your value was not intrinsic.
tallwheel 9y ago
I know what you're saying, and I agree for the most part. I just think there are a few places where public awareness of misandry (if that ever happened) could allow us to make some changes on the more official side of things.
You're right, though, that it is pretty much impossible to undo men's biological tendency to protect women and children.
the99percent1 9y ago
wtf.. since when has red pill become ' the world is against me!'sort of rants..
Dudes.. wake up, you have to become valuable to society first before they start to care. The world only cares what they can get out of you. Women get preferential treatment because they have a PUSSY that I can fuck. I can't fuck you.. One way or another, everyone brings something to the table.
You want the world to care about your feels, go solve a problem in the world first..
Change your mindset. Stop bitching, adopt an abundant mindset, work hard on yourself and improve your situation.. It's that fucking simple.
Ether that or mgtow..
[deleted] 9y ago
No thanks. Ill mgtow. Society needs men more than men need society. If 25% of men drop out of the system, see who blinks first. What kind of awesome life does society have to offer men anyway. Everyone I know is miserable, trapped in a sexless marriage to a fat woman. Sure they arent RP, but I digress.
the99percent1 9y ago
suit yourself.. Come back when people depend on your leadership and direction. It's the greatest feeling in the world.
Following very closely is being allowed to spread my genes the way I want to with women who fall in line. When the world submits to your will, that is when you know for sure you are leading an RP life.
[deleted] 9y ago
I have tons of leadership and direction. I manage a Fortune 500 business. Doesnt matter. And Im not going to be spreading my genes anywhere. No thanks. RP is about doing whats in my best interests. Not necessarily the PUA variety for me.
loddfavne 9y ago
To me, my life is far more worth than anybody elses. At the end of the day, that's the only thing that matter. I don't help people who whine, nor do I expect any help if I start to whine. Survival of the fittest. Who cares what society says or does? As long as I live in an industrial economy with a decent living standard and the ability to improve my life, I'm good.
tallwheel 9y ago
I wish I was born with a pussy between my legs instead?
[deleted] 9y ago
Man punches woman who then marries him: career over. Wife suffers from lack of funds. What's that about not blaming the victim?
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TDCRedPill 9y ago
You're building excuses on the backs on hopes and dreams.
You're taking the view that there must be some sort of super zoomed out view where a man's impact on life the universe and everything can be weighed versus the achievements of women and therefore one is 'better' than the other by this omnipotent and arbitrary judgement. It's a crock viewpoint that is little more than you scrambling to believe God likes you. I don't care how much God loved the dinosaurs, they're still dead.
You are what you are, and only when you can look at all of that objective can you truly make the best of this life. The more you deceive yourself, the less effective you'll be trying to be important.
The point is, the natural behavior of mammals, including humans, is to value a woman's life over a man's, all else being equal. It's simply fact, and the morality of it doesn't change it's existence.
Don't judge people, just use the information to prepare, plan, and predict, so you don't make the mistakes that will keep you from making your life important. We're telling you about the minefield, not planting the mines. We're trying to help protect you, and you're blaming the messengers.
prodigyx 9y ago
This should be included with all RP advice. Too much time and energy is spent around here trying to justify/shame/rationalize things, when the only appropriate reaction is to accept things the way they are and maximize your happiness around them.
[deleted] 9y ago
The universe disposes with all of us after a relative brief period. We're all going to die. What's unique for men is that there are subtle, insidious ways that society and others will leech upon your hard work and use you up, only to discard you and shatter the "reward" you thought you were working towards. A perfect example is the coal miner who makes mediocre money, has to quit his job in his 50s due to health problems, and has discovered his insurance cannot actually be fucked to pay for any of the shit and he can't exactly fight against their legal teams. His specific ailment is simply not covered.
Or the military guy who returns from his service injured and the veteran care is shit, his wife is taking the house, and he cannot get any real lucrative employment as a injured vet since he has no education and cannot do security and whatnot due to his injury. No one gives a fuck now, go beg on the highway like some piece of trash because half of the incoming checks and retirement won't be shit in comparison to the child support / alimony / medical bills.
These are the extreme examples, but you can find this type of "forced martyrdom" and leeching off of male sacrifice / labor in all areas of your life if you look. When all is said and done, when you factor in how much more expensive everything is that we buy because of taxes, as well as how much is taken straight out of your check (and how out of control property tax is in some areas), you effectively get 1/2 or less of your actual income.
The health insurance you pay is jacked the fuck up because you are risk-averaged with a nation of lardass, carb-guzzlers who gobble up whatever the food industry churns out, until they need everything big pharma churns out.
You, as a healthy male who eats healthy, works out, and so on, will "carry" the system, getting the shit end of the deal, while the lardasses with 123123 health problems throughout their lives get extreme efficiency out of insurance.
There is no real choice. I don't want to get hauled up for tax evasion and I don't want to live in some commune in the wilderness. 50% after all the bullshit is done is better than 0%.
Men working hard and spending their whole lives caught up in some consumer lifestyle working a corporate job they hate carry the nation. Similar to beta bucks, alpha fucks - your stable type guy enables our system to work, while the alphas basically run train on society and reap the great rewards (as long as they don't get caught in foul play, but even then they can usually tip toe out of trouble).
So what to you do?
The only way, the absolute ONLY WAY, that participating in this society seems worth it to me (and this is just MY opinion, someone else may find a lot of dignity in their 9-5 middle class life, and great for them) is if you reach the TOP. The climb is everything; reaching the top means being the exploiter not the exploited. It means having the power to actually protect yourself from all the ways society impels you to sacrifice yourself for the "greater good". The ladder, as Baelish says, is the only thing that gives beauty to our fucked up, ruined society.
cantstopper 9y ago
Wow! Well said, you hit the nail in the head x100 over.
fungussa 9y ago
Doesn't that concept extend beyond the male / female divide, to what society perceives as valuable / less valuable men. ie wealthy and influential men are undeniably afforded more freedoms and shown more leniencies, than poorer and less influential men.
Leaders are protected with the lives of many.
[deleted] 9y ago
Another way to look it is that men are in general held to a higher standard than women because we're more capable of being self-sufficient.
cantstopper 9y ago
But my problem is...a woman CAN take everything away from you with just 3 words.
Andress1 9y ago
Are you living in America? If you do,stop living in that shithole.I swear America looks like the country with most rampant and radical feminism in the world.
[deleted] 9y ago
I think that's Scandinavia. But true, Anglo countries come second after them.
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RedPill4LYF 9y ago
It's pretty awful. What's sad is that the average male has no clue what's going on.
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Ill_mumble_that 9y ago
There is no reason to hit someone over petty emotional squabbles. If an event arises where I need to hit someone, it's going to be with intent to kill or disable, whichever comes first. Self defense is one such situation that merits it.
gabilromariz 9y ago
The thinking that women's lives need more protecting came from so early on it probably doesn't have a date. It would make sense for early humans to keep the women at home and let the men hunt and possibly die in tribal fights and such. Imagine a tribe with 50 men and 50 women that is at war with another:
So, due to our respective reproductive cycles, men have become more expendable than women because of their wombs. This has continued to be this way thoughout history.
That said, the point to which it came to these days is just ridiculous, especially in the criminal part. Don't you guys have some sort of law to ensure the same crime recieves the same sentece for black/white people or rich/poor people? Why isn't there a similar law for men/women?
vvanderbilt 9y ago
Because women are viewed as victims. That's it
BoyMeetsHarem 9y ago
No. Its because each individual woman is far more important to the survival of the species than each individual man. A healthy man could theoretically father 4+ children PER DAY for his entire adult life. A woman can only make a baby or two every nine months. They are more precious biologically than men, and human society evolved in recognition of that fact.
TDCRedPill 9y ago
Other way around. Women are more easily accepted as victims in the same situation because a woman's hardship is less acceptable in everyone's eyes than a man's hardship. Comedy is when a man falls down a well; tragedy is when a woman experiences unpleasantness.
the_doodabides 9y ago
Ya know i was watching a feminist video and she was talking about this. I thought she made a valid point, what do yall think ?
Basically she states that men are disposable and women really are not. She states this from a biological sense in regards to repopulation. According to her, a nation cannot repopulate if there are very few women however a small group of men can easily help repopulate a nation, assuming women are doing their baby making job. She goes on the state that society does indeed value a female life more but it stems from an antiquated time where men were killed by the thousands in a single battle instead of an entire war. BTW she states shes a feminist but she is hated by them and seems to make some sense in the few videos ive seen.
So a womans worth in society is created by mere existance while a mans worth in society is earned through blood sweat and tears. Opinions ?
DianaDewAsmr 9y ago
In a perfect harmless world it can be true.
In a world with dangers and a non perfect environment men are needed for babies and women to survive.
MightyTaint 9y ago
If it were true from a biological standpoint, then the birth rates of female babies would be much much greater than male due to evolutionary pressure. It appears there are slightly more male babies, but the reason being young and teenage boys are much more daring and likely to die due to it. Layer on top that young men are more likely to die in war or their profession, it brings the ratio of reproductive aged women and men to be about a 1:1 ratio, maybe even in mens favor a little.
Point being that if she's going to make a biological argument, look at how the species evolved for christ's sake. There is 0 biological evidence, and a little to the contrary.
Now, on top of that, who's to say maximizing population is the best thing for the species? Some natural resources are limited, and we're blowing a lot of them for stupid people to have TVs and gas guzzling 4x4s. We're supposed to appreciate the fact that there was a uterus available to make these wastes of oxygen? Please.
[deleted] 9y ago
Excellent point, I did not consider that.
From Wiki:
Fisher’s principle Main article: Fisher's principle
Fisher’s principle explains why for most species, the sex ratio is approximately 1:1. Bill Hamilton expounded Fisher’s argument in his 1967 paper on “Extraordinary sex ratios”[7] as follows, given the assumption of equal parental expenditure on offspring of both sexes.
In modern language, the 1:1 ratio is the evolutionarily stable strategy (ESS).[8]
the_doodabides 9y ago
the male deathrate and female birthrate are kind of mutually exclusive. Yes the female birthrate would decline but the probability of a female being born would still be untouched. You forget to mention the forced population changes due to Chinese policy as well as traditional reasons. But what does population ratio have to do with what I said ? I'm also not looking back into evolutionary times but from the beginning of civilization and forward. I stated it a biological reason because a single man can make 100+ babies (Ghengis Kahn) while a woman can make 50 babies, maybe. I also never said anything about maximizing population.
Granted I can't write worth a damn but the gist of what was said is summed up by trias_e much better
MightyTaint 9y ago
China's policy is modern, and in fact supports the exact opposite of what the fem-monster was trying to claim: that in the modern era, woman are more valuable than men. Really? Because when child bearing is limited, people will go so far as to abort their own children to at least have one male offspring.
It's really really obvious to state women can only have a few offspring, while men can have millions. Thanks for pointing that out. Yet still here we are, with biology set at a 1:1 ratio, and when society is pressured to pick a sex, men come out on top. I'm seeing 0 evidence to her argument having any merit.
trias_e 9y ago
She's sort of correct, and I'm guessing you were watching camille pagilia. The only thing she gets wrong is that this doesn't stem from an 'antiquated' time: It's a fundamental distinction between men and women and doesn't necessarily have to do with war and repopulation, but rather stems from the fact that men can impregnate many women. Women have a clear hard limit in how many offspring they can have. Men have basically no limit (at least until you get into the 100:1+ ratio.) An alpha female picks the best male and gets resources from them. An alpha male fucks many high quality women and provides few resources to any one in particular (yes, there is a contradiction here).
Thing is, all this shit is in our minds. It's not some logical process we come to. It's what's built our sexual make-up, what we find attractive as men and women. So even if society changes abruptly in such a way that this doesn't apply (like, perhaps, in hardcore monogamous religious communities), it doesn't mean that our sexual instincts would be different...just that they would be contained by societal mores.
the_doodabides 9y ago
No not her, she seemed like a blogger and her name is karen straughan. Heres the link
Feminism and the Disposable Male: http://youtu.be/vp8tToFv-bA
She kind of picked apart the idea that society always places males higher. She might be of a dissenting opinion to the red pill but she does have a solid point and seems to be logical instead of emotional.
cubesntricks 9y ago
Dude! Karen Straughan aka GirlWritesWhat is a prominent Men's Rights Advocate(MRA) and a strong opponent of feminism. She is no way, a feminist.
Feminism and the Disposable Male is really good introductory RP Material.
the_doodabides 9y ago
ah I apologize, totally thought she was a logical feminist.
Dis_mah_mobile_one 9y ago
Contradiction in terms my friend.
tallwheel 9y ago
At least Camille Paglia identifies as feminist, so your posts here would have made more sense if it was her and not the most fucking popular MRA on youtube.
Ill_mumble_that 9y ago
Most popular MRA is a woman? Just goes to show most MRA guys are betas still putting pussy on a pedestal.
tallwheel 9y ago
The sad truth is that newbies to any type of pro-men thinking are going to be less likely to look away in revulsion if the message comes from a woman. That's just how it is.
Also, the fact that Karen Straughan actually has some of the most intriguing ideas in the MRM helps.
Rougepellet 9y ago
Why is it this way though? I mean majority of women don't do shit for society except make babies and (hopefully) raise them well. That's about it. Most successful people are male. Men practically built society yet women are valued more when they just sit on their ass to reap the benefits? Genius.
Jar_of_apples 9y ago
A real woman doing her role is a very important part of raising a family,creating strong children, and being a supporting figure to the very hard job of being the patriarch to a family. Western woman, and women of many countries have lost a lot of this, but don't let them make you think that a woman is just a commodity in the world. A devoted, and dedicated wife and mother is a pillar of her community, and treasure to everyone around her.
tallwheel 9y ago
That's all they need to do, and it's the most important thing. Life exists to reproduce itself, and women have a more valuable role to play in reproduction.
[deleted] 9y ago
There's a reason why it's women and children into the boats first and it's not related to /r/pussypass.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Sure women and children might have been more important when we weren't overpopulating the world as a species.
Women have done their job so well they've made themselves useless. Remember AWALT and there are about what 4-5 billion women out there. Why does this woman get special treatment.
Flyingbuffaloman 9y ago
I assume because you can fit more of them on? Actually makes sense to me from a utilitarian perspective. However, I'm a skinny motherfucker right now, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to snag a hambeast's spot on the liferaft even if I made that argument.
Involution88 9y ago
It makes sense from a reproductive perspective.
1 man and 100 women on an island leads to a population explosion.
1 woman and 100 men on an island leads to population collapse.
Survival to old age is much more certain than ever before. Infant mortality rates have dropped to the point where almost nobody knows people who have lost children, rather than "parent" being virtually synonymous with a person who has lost a child. Overpopulation is a potential problem. There is little justification for preserving male and female privilege or gender roles. Men are still far more disposable to society, the movement to blame "patriarchy" for everything is symptomatic of it. No attempts are being made to provide a veneer of civilisation over those instincts.
PostPilot 9y ago
Although your utilitarian analysis is true that's not why we do it. We're instinctively preserving our tribes reproductive capacity and future.
circlhat 9y ago
This is due to a lack of mrm , things aren't. Like. This in the middle east
ultrasuperthrowaway 9y ago
90% of men typically died in war
Yes we are the disposable of the two sexes
Just be glad you aren't on the front lines
[deleted] 9y ago
How about ... don't enlist if you don't want to?
ultrasuperthrowaway 9y ago
Oh I agree, unfortunately most men who die in war don't enlist they are drafted. I you live in US as a male they require you to register for "selective service" when you become 18 years old. Anytime the government wants to have a war it's drafting time and males are forced to war like grains of sand against a brick wall.
[deleted] 9y ago
Right, but it has been 40+ years since the draft was used in the US. If we are talking about today, that just isn't very applicable.
ultrasuperthrowaway 9y ago
The ratio of 50:50 of women born to men born wouldn't take into account the last 40 years of evolution. Thousands upon thousands of years of evolution more likely.
[deleted] 9y ago
Not sure what evolution has to do with this. I was just replying to your post about war and subsequent clarification regarding the draft. But I agree, obviously no human evolution happens in 40 years.
ultrasuperthrowaway 9y ago
Thread is about male disposability so evolution is very important to determine why. I think humans evolved to have 50:50 split born of sexes because 90% of men were born betas an meant to die, the remaining 10% are alphas meant to mate since it's easy for 1 man to in pregnant many women.
[deleted] 9y ago
I mean..that sounds ridiculous to me. Most species have approximately a 1:1 sex ratios. Is the reasoning the same for them? Do you really think the human species evolved to a way that females waste absurd amounts of energy over 9 months (multiple times in life) just to birth some offspring that is "meant to die" 9 times out of 10?
ultrasuperthrowaway 9y ago
Yes many species have disposable worker males used for drones to do nothing but serve their female masters.
[deleted] 9y ago
Yes, but you are talking about organisms displaying eusocial animal sociality (i.e. termites, wasps, bees, ants), which requires collective care of younger generations and often results in severe inbreeding. Oh and most of the drones are pretty much sterile. There is zero evidence to indicate humans are the same or even similar.
MightyTaint 9y ago
Wow make up shit much? War is way low on the cause of death totem pole.
[deleted] 9y ago
Yup welcome to the world. I've been telling my son his entire life that "life is not fair".
These same arguments apply for rich vs. poor.
If you go back to you list, and seriously think about it. Most of the things you have listed are criminal offences or moral crimes.
These are things that people with no values or moral do. They also have to live with the fact that they are idiots.
bama79rolltide 9y ago
Life is fair because it is unfair to everyone.
ArtilleryCamel 9y ago
This thread could use some more grounded examples, I don't remember anybody getting on an FBI most wanted list.
AFPJ 9y ago
Those viewpoint's aren't that of society, they are that of the overwhelming majority (95%) of society which consists of women & pussified betas who circle-jerk each other with equality, affirmative action, quotas and trophies for everyone.
Somewhere, somehow men stopped caring & allowed women to speak and participate in society. The cancer became omnipresent, small parts of it uniting and dividing / conquering men and masculinity.
False statement. The only standard of value I recognize is my own opinion and the opinion of people who've earned my respect. I don't care what subhuman scum (betas and women) think of me. Strength defines justice.
Women rose because men allowed them to and now they stay relevant by pitting one lesser man against another.
This is not power, it is folly. Never forget how true value and power is defined and where it comes from.
EuphoricWizard 9y ago
I wanted to make a thread on this video but since I'm new I'm automatically a troll and can't make any new threads. ABC did a "social experiment" where they set up hidden cameras and fake actors and documented peoples reaction to women abusing men in public. They wanted to see how it differed from a video where men were abusing women and the obvious result was white knights descending on their steeds to protect the woman. Here's the link to the video which is only about 6 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks
anonlymouse 9y ago
What's to discuss from a red pill perspective? There's plenty to talk about from a men's rights perspective. But from RP, it's basically don't be a white knight and let white knights rot. Support boys especially, and non-white knight men.
cantstopper 9y ago
Just made this post as a brainstorming piece of mine. Listed the obvious double standards between men and women in society...and to my surprise, came with a long list in less than 60 seconds.
Could probably go on and on.
wheyapartment 9y ago
Men>women>beta males; if it applies to social hierarchy, why wouldn't it apply here?
Just look at who women value. Women will gladly screw over betas or other women to get on the alpha's good side. Women just get so much special treatment due to all the beta influence in the media.
If any of you have ever worked in a big office environment going through hard economic times, you've probably seen the pattern already. First, the betas get fired, then the low tier eye candy, then the inept hot females, and finally the alphas all get to keep their jobs. I think this happens because leaders are absolutely indispensable and if we lose all of them, the tribe goes to shit while all the lesser males fight over positions of power. That level of disorder would easily destroy the community.
Zanford 9y ago
Don't forget the 13-year-old boy paying child support to the female teacher who raped him.
[deleted] 9y ago
He clearly didnt get his patriarchy membership card yet.
[deleted] 9y ago
Bu... b... but... patriarchy?