If I was you I would sell your daughter to a Saudi prince, pretend she is gone, and spend the money on drugs and alcohol.

I suppose in 9 years, 999 burkas, 999999 Arabian Nights and 99999999 beatings from now your daughter will be reformed.

I've got a younger sister, 14yo, and trust me - this shit gets worse (I'm 24 if you wonder) My impression is that children born after '00 tend to be somewhat arrogant, self-rightous characters... Dark Triad-ish maybe?

Could be the stereorypical "Omg those youngsters are way worse than we were" but I feel the next generations indeed do differ from previous ones for that matter.

Well, another way to view this is that life is giving that 11 year old boy what he needs - not what he wants. If he takes this shit, then he's equally as guilty as your daughter for dishing this shit...

She is a child. Childs do wiiiiiiierd stuff in there puperty. There is a age were its can be normal for kids too murder smaller animals. They are nust testing how far they can go and were they stand in the naturechain and what they can do and what they cant do. Teach her youre morals and ways of living.

I've watched my 10yo daughter shit test my wife. Much to my surprise and amusement the wife was failing hard, totally into daughter's frame, she was her bitch. The look on daughter's face (after wife eventually snapped and started screaming and cursing) was mix of triumph and self amusement with a touch of evil. It all came out of nowhere, there was no obvious reason for "frame battles". And I do consider my daughter well raised, with healthy values and good manners ... at least that's what other people (quite a few were older people) were often telling me. But this is the twilight zone of woman's true nature, this goes beyond any training, raising, habits and conventions.

EVO PSY RP theoreticians are right - it's deep programmed, something you're born with, not something society teaches you (AWALT). Shit testing, crab basket and various other effects are real, ingrained in their DNA and you can always count on them. If you let your guard down, you totally deserve what follows.

Good shit OP. A lot of these girls out her are divas, and don't get punishment for much worse behavior. This little punishment will hopefully stop her hopefully from being one of those"mean girls" in high school who sucks off the football team before graduation.

I have a buddy with a 16 softball player who thinks she tough shit. He bought boxing gloves when she was 14 and "teaches her defense" whenever she got out of line or he suspected slutty behavior. She's well on her way now to picking the college of her choice, free ride if she keeps it up.

In a world where strippers and talentless sirens tell girls to be bossy, you have to stop your own spawn from turning into a state sponsored fembot.

Had you not smacked her, she would do it to him in school. Young boy needs a friend. Play video games with him and tell him do football.

This sub is fucking psychotic. It used to be a decent place to talk about romantic/sexual strategy and self improvement. What does this made up story about some faggots made up family provide? Nice insight OP. your made up 11 year old acted like a cunt. She's going to be a dictator! Machiavelli! You faggots need some bleach

She's still young-- steer her in the right direction

Why the fuck is this getting upvoted? This is not TRP this is tumblrinaction.

EDIT: Oh and OP, in case you didn't realize yet. Your daughter is 11 and also your daughter. Not some random 30 yo woman.

Aren't most of the techniques used in this sub kinda manipulative? And she probably learned how to treat socially awkward and vulnerable boys(i.e. Betas), from you.

You should be happy, she's basically the female equivalent of what you guys would call an "Alpha".

TRP is not something for women, teach your SONS to respect themselves dont reach your daughter to respect betas.

I know that its hard to watch your own blood become the same thing you have grown to dislike but its female nature. The betas are non-entities. Valuing men like them would have put her at an evolutionary disadvantage

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As a teacher, I will tell you that fathers like you and girls like your daughter are what make people quit this profession. Take some command of your family, you pathetic man.

I think you are too soft. I would have the boy come over, make him slap your bitch daughter as hard as he can. It is also the only way to give him back his honor and God we know this fella needs it. Take all her toys and make a giant fire with it. Always give her less than what other people get. Give her the bare minimum. Then make her endure corporal punishment each time she wants or needs something. Needless to say, banishment and shaming should also be used extensively. Continue until you see real, constant change in her behavior. Hit hard and be merciless.

You've a long row to hoe, OP, but you appear to know what you need to do. Carry on.

Wow. That's insane. Good on you for punishing her. Let's hope it sticks.

Sounds like you handled it pretty well. Ignoring bad behavior only lets it propagate. Any lesser punishment wouldn't have gotten the message across. Good for you.

This is why religion is a powerful tool. TRPers regularly shit on religion. It's a tool. A weapon, even. Wield that shit to your ends.

Even if you aren't physically there to watch her behavior, Jesus Christ is ALWAYS watching and listening. Sins are punishable even if she doesn't get caught.

Morality can't be instilled through reason or logic, alone. And it can't be just you. It's a community effort. A church may be able to provide that community. At least consider it.

ITT, people that forgot what subreddit they're in. Sorry people miss your post OP. The SJWs are out in full force today.

I thought negging was cool?

I, for one, am proud of the way you handled this. You're immediately ahead of most people just for realizing what you were actually seeing and not buying into her hamster responses. I would bet it's easy in this situation to believe that your child wasn't completely at fault and let the "parental hamster" convince you that your child can do no wrong.

AWALT.

hard next her.

hit the gym.

I'm reading the book "How to Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie and read that positive reinforcement goes a lot better in teaching someone a desired behaviour than negative reinforcement.

I'm not telling OP how to raise his daughter or even criticizing him but I'm just genuinely curious as to what someone can do to fix this problem behaviour in a positive manner instead of a punishment. The daughter wanted to impress her friends so what kind of positive incentives (or any other solution) could solve this?

It'd be nice to know so that you guys all have more possible options next time something similar to this happens in your lives.

Get your Shit together with your daughter now, or This! is the future for your daughter you'll be looking forward to.

Edit 2: For all you judgemental pricks out there blaming me for creating demon-spawn, you don't know the half. I'm the sane one working hard to get these kids right. He mother (my ex) is a dark triad drug addict who successfully hid her double life from me for years. She still has contact with them thanks to the magic of being mommy & the family court system. Go fuck yourselves, you have nothing productive to say.

Being a good father doesn't mean your kids never misbehave. It means that when you do, you call them out on it.

What i would do: Tell my daughter that that behaviour is not acceptable and as a punishment she will not have a birthday party this year. Period.

Edit: Just read your edit. Glad you (and your wife!) thought the same thing.

Edit2: If you wanted to go one step further you could (although that would make her impopular with her friends parents) would be to not mention it to her friends, and when they arrive tell them one by one that there will not be a party due to your daughters behaviour. But i guess/think just not having a party and having your daughter telling that to her friend (and the reason why) is punishment enough.

I think this type of behavior starts even younger than you think. I have some close family friends and they have a young daughter, I think she was around 7 or 8 at the time. Now this little girl LOVED me. Always excited to see me, would follow me around, etc. When I started to bring my girlfriend around, she would give her dirty looks and wouldn't speak to her. She also started giving attention to my brother in an attempt to make me jealous. Obviously a very different situation, but it shows how early the catty nature of women and come up.

This is the behavior to encourage. Betas are meant to be dominated. A lot if girls I fuck have plenty of orbitors, and I always strongly encourage that. You should see the messages this one girl sends dudes literally right after we bang.

It's punishment time for her, that behavior was evil, despicable and cruel.

AF/BB is the sexual strategy of women, OP says he wants to teach his daughter not to use betas, he'll discover how futile this endeavor is too late and to his sorrow. For his daughter will only grow to resent him for trying to suppress her nature.

However, removing the cruelty in the way this nature is exercised, or teaching her to reserve said cruelty for those who have truly wronged her, is what a father should aim for imo.

Men must lead through example so showing your disapproval and administering justice immediately would have served as a valuable life lesson to her. This wouldn't have made her change her nature, but she would have learned that overt acts of cruelty bring about serious repercussions. You can't make her care for the boy, if she cared to begin with she wouldn't have done what she did.

Bad behaviour in public must be punished instantly in public; bad behaviour in private must punished privately

This is one of the cardinal rules of parenting.

Failure to punish her in public will encourage the other kids to repeat the same bad behavior. You will also be thought of as a bad father.

You missed an opportunity to give her a correction that will stick with her for life.

Jesus christ dude get your daughter in check. This isn't a "it's not ok to hit other people sweetie" moment. This is a "your party is cancelled everyone go home" moment.

Called daughter in, told her what I heard/saw, got predictable (juvenile hamster) response: denial, trickle truth, attempted blame shifting (it wasn't my idea, someone else told me to do it!), then apology.

You shouldn't be getting this kind of reaction out of your daughter, it's time to stop listening to the liberal media and spank your child. It's the only way to get through to them, the only thing they understand. And no, it wont mess her up mentally like all the scare tactics would like you to believe, I got spanked as a kid and I turned into the kind of person who wouldn't let a kid walk all over me.

Buy her some food she wants and do the same thing to her, then eat it in front of her and tell her what's up.

Good job, OP! I hope she got the point.

My.

Fucking.

Gawd.

11 yo and she's already acting like an evil bitch, while the boy is already a beta loser? Goddamn I am happy to be sterile... Mate, please remember that for every lesson you give her, society is going to give her 100 lessons. You can punish her once, but this society actively promotes and encourages this behaviour. Do not be ashamed if your lesson goes unheard. I bet that the only thing that she will understand is "hide from dad before being an evil bitch"

Holy shit i would not have a single clue how solve this AND let her learn some life lessons to grow. Good job

Girls squealing with glee... Jeez... Never let your girl get out of hand.

I woulda taught that kid to slap her back. Even if she was my daughter.

Such a rotten attitude deserves such ill treatment.

A lot of useless comments here. A lot of people here telling you what you should do, but I wonder how many are actually parents. I used to be quite judgmental of others' parenting, but now with a young daughter I realize how much of their personality is innate, and that you can guide a child, but not really control one.

In your case, you've seen a dynamic normally hidden from you: your daughter's behavior around her peers. I don't agree with the assessment that you are some kind of a failed father. This is behavior developing outside your vision. This happens at school, or when the kids are gathered outside adult supervision. The only way to take control would be to homeschool the child and strictly control her social interactions. This doesn't sound very realistic for a single father.

Now, people here think you need to take a hard line with her, cancel the party or whatever. That's fine, but what will the consequence be? Will the daughter be conditioned to behave more gently? Perhaps. Or she'll become resentful. She already has two motivators to behave crudely: (1) her awalt programming, and (2) the encouragement of her peers. A strict punishment will likely just add a 3rd motivator for her to be a little shit behind dad's back. Parenting is hard; there is never a right answer. You do the best you can.

Thanks for sharing OP.

For all you judgemental pricks out there blaming me for creating demon-spawn

Yeah, my situation isn't as bad as yours, but if the parents are not working as a team, it's hard to keep a handle... especially emotional time-bombs like 11 year old girls. They will say black is white for absolutely no reason, and they don't even know why they are saying it.

Kids have the capacity to be quite cruel but can be taught what is not acceptable to limit it. Now days it seems society gets more face time in a day with kids than their families. I could not be certain this is a sign of a natural Mach based on what is known. Kids like humans will work out their pecking order through various rituals but it sounds like she was possibly putting on a show for her friends for sure. It would be more insightful to her mental state if she did it of her own inspiration or if she was instructed from one of the friends.

Louis CK lays out girls vs. boys quite well...

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Remember, kids are cruel in a group. If your daughter was alone with this boy - she would probably just give him the invitations. But friends have social pressure, and lack of well defined boundaries - especially in a diverse group - some are well behaved, some are not - on each own they act differently, but together - this happens.
Speak to your daughter about being responsible in a group and voicing objections against stupidity and rudeness, even if it ruins the "fun". Friends who won't recpecj her anymore - are not worth having as friends.

Sorry to say this guy, but she is so far along at that age that only an ass whoopin or public embarassment wil fix her, no amount of reasoning or conversation will even come close.

Our elders knew it best

It sucks that this happened, but I think you and the wife handled it well.

Keep up updated post party, and I really hope that kid has a great time.

I would have brought the switch out. I've wittnessed this type behaviour in as young as 6-7. Before my brother got divorced my niece would constantly lie to me about what she did. I called her out constantly on her lies but her mom who was a conniving cunt had too much of an influence on her.

I don't have kids so maybe it's just me, but it appears that everyone is over-analyzing this entire thing. Tl;dr - Kids are shitheads.

If it were me, I would have taken the boy aside, asked if he was alright, and made sure she saw the gesture of sympathy. I would have made sure he got home okay. Then, I would cut off all attention to her entirely - not yelled, not screamed, not even made mention of it. However, she would effectively be invisible.

Shaming, out-grouping and withdrawing attention are like kryptonite to women, especially young girls. She'd understand right quick.

But that's only hindsight.

I'm half tempted to say inform the wife and see how the feminine side dishes out punishment, but then again I don't know who the main disciplinarian is in your family. Proper punishment is real tough when the event is long over because kids don't feel the immediate impact - there's no association between what I'm doing now and this bad feeling from being scolded. It's ineffective to inflict punishment long after the crime.

Your entire conclusion about your daughters behavior and AWALT only demonstrates to me that your daughter is mimicking your wife's behavior. I think that you're probably ABUSED by your wife and were probably abused by your mother. So, you actually are trying to find ways to justify your abuse through the redpill.

No, what your daughter did has nothing to do with hypergamy and everything to do with cruelty. She preyed on a vulnerable person and found amusement in inflicting physical pain an another human being. This is not normal behavior, be it from a boy or girl. The fact that you did nothing shows me you're PARALYZED WITH FEAR of the women in your life.

Don't use redpill theory to justify being abused by women. 'Well its okay, cause all girls are like that.'

Lastly, you should tell your daughter that you're ashamed of her, that you never imagined she'd do such a thing, and that such behavior will come back to haunt you. She might think its funny but when the other children tell their friends, and those friends tell their friends, she'll actually grow to be hated and people will enjoy trying to do things to hurt her when the opportunity arises as a form of 'justice.' And they'd be right.

When the kid comes to the party, maybe you could pull him aside and teach him a thing or two. He obviously needs help with how to deal with situations like this in the future. Maybe with your help, next time he's in a similar situation he can tell her to go fuck herself and leave with dignity. Gotta help build the frame before they can sustain it.

She has power at a young age. If she was some 11 year old girl who was overweight and had no friends and he asked her if he could come to her party it would have likely gone very differently. Attractive women get a lot of social power very early in life and they don't yet have the maturity to NOT abuse such power.

Men are generally very different. The most powerful men in their 40s and 50s weren't the most powerful boys from 9 to 25. Generally they worked at obtaining it for decades and have a much more mature attitude about it.

I hope you did that boy solid and gave him some real knowledge. He is probably being told

girls are really going to start liking you around 28 when they figure out that you have everything together

thanks mom

OP. You are raising a cunt. Fix it.

I see shades of my 10 yo daughter here.

She has a neighborhood orbiter. He's friend zoned for life. She disrespects him, bosses him around, just runs all over him. Now, I should take responsibility for creating my entitled princess, and I discipline and counsel when her behavior crosses the line. But, this boy needs to learn to deal with women. So I actively plot with him against my daughter.

So far, I've taught him dominant body language, how to.A&A, AM. Since he has no abundance, I've helped him "make up" a mystery girlfriend. Since working with him, I've heard him respond to her disrespect with "who do you think you're talking to?"

Obviously, he can't hold frame for shit. But we're working on that.

The highlight of our work is that another girl asked him to the 4th grade dance. My daughter is pissed that her orbiter was asked by another girl.

Slowly, this boy is learning to be a man.

Now, you're thinking I'm a horrible father. But I teach her to break a boy's frame. Because she will need to be able to attract a high value male, pretenders need not apply.

She goes to the Iron Temple 3 times a week, and has a program that I designed for her.

And since I'm the highest value man in her life, the bar is set pretty damn high. Those little boys had better bring their A game, because my little girl will chew them up if they don't.

I would have her sincerely (!) apologize to the kid as well - in front of the whole group, so she knows she can't BS about it later on. And take a pic or two - only to remind her once she starts to act up again.

OP you gotta nip this shit in the bud. As other comments said, she'll grow up a sjw or a total bitch. Quick story...

I know a middle school kid who calls herself a "bad bitch". Her mom is horrible, has more red flags than a Nazi convention, and most likely has some mental disorder. Worst part is her mom reinforces this "bad bitch" behaviour. She literally picks fights with the students and even said she was gonna beat some kids ass if they talk shit about her daughter. THE FUCKING MOTHER. I could go in for hours about this womenchild.

She told me "yeah I'm a bad bitch" with that bitch face I'm like......uh, no your just a regular bitch. Good luck with your miserable life later.

TL;DR: Girls turn into their mothers

Damn that must've been hard to witness, it's good that you've taken action immediately, even if over the years society ends up shaping her into another CC rider, its also possible that this sort of teachings will shape the image of her "ideal man" in a positive way.

All the people suggesting you discipline your daughter, aren't in the right. Clearly, she's going to win in sexual strategy and if you impart healthy lifestyle choices, she will be a winner in the long-run.

Honestly, I'd be proud if I had a daughter with such power against men, as does yours. However, the key is finding a balance with set boundaries. This is so she doesn't end up abusing her future family, as well as herself, and thus destroy your progeny from her.

And let's be honest here, if you gave two shits about that boy, you'd be talking to him so he doesn't get the doormat treatment again.

Don't destroy your daughter's personality and high intelligence because you 'think' she will be a bad person. Merely guide her into using her abilities to avoid serious backlash.

You did the right thing. No way could you let this slide, no matter what her age. She needs to treat people with respect. And 11 is pretty old anyways.

You know your wife secretly supported the slap.

Don't white knight the schlub.

I love this you should post it to MRP

Get your child checked, 10 years from now if she slapped another man and she gets slapped back shes gonna be surprised as fuck.

I don't envy your task.

The hell with all the responses about how this is bad parenting. This is what kids do unless strongly prevented from doing it. You're not only tasked with raising a daughter who will be a good person, you're tasked with doing it in the face of every outside influence that can fight you.

The worst and weirdest thing is that you can't just discourage all behavior related to this. Definitely, punish and explain and fight this behavior, but I see otherwise-functional men combat this behavior by trying to raise a girl with boy morals. It doesn't work, and it leaves her ill-prepared to deal with her peers.

At a certain point she needs to learn to act like a girl, and that means some level of manipulation. So, you get the unenviable task of allowing that while keeping her from diving into the delusion and evil that it can so easily become.

Best of luck, and thanks for an informative story.

I think AWALT is linked to current social conditions and attitudes. I'm glad you're teaching your girl to not be a vicious cunt.

If a girl said something like that in my family when I was a kid, she would've been smacked by her poppa.

/u/RedPill808, I commend you on doing what you did. Many guys on here are (rightfully so) empathizing with the boy, so they are upset with you (which is misplaced) and your daughter (which is, whatever).
I have 2 daughters myself, and they do much of this shit to my son, regardless of how much I interfere. When I pick them up from their mom's place, they are at his throat ("he's so slow. he's so dumb.") I spend the next 30 minutes putting them in their place, but I see the toll it has taken on him. Honestly, thank you for sharing this; I was thinking that I was the only one seeing what I see.

That was a punishment moment and you missed it. Punishments have to be quick, fair and equitable (punishment fits the crime - you don't beat a kid senseless for stealing a cookie), and the child told precisely what she's being punished for.

My grandfather raised a bitch. My aunt. She was a loudmouth and abusive to her three brothers. Every adult in her family kowtowed to her and her wishes. She ended up having 8 kids by 3 dads. All but 3 of her kids have disowned her. She wrecked her own family and marriages.

Much of why western civilization is disintegrating because the girls don't feel consequences for her actions. It's very simple here, reverse the genders. Would you have stepped in? That's how you prevent a cunt and make her life happier in the long run.

OP, in the post you say you punished her by canceling party, and in the comments you say "it will be dealt with." Did you not punish her? If you didn't, what are you planning to do about it later?

Upvoted for the second edit!

Bullshit. You sound like you're either a negligent or beta father yourself if you're daughter did. This isn't typical young girl behavior. This is the behavior of a girl whose mother is more in control than her father.

I think you handled it well considering the circumstances.

There's a lot of judgement in this thread. A few helpful comments.

I don't know what's up with these comments saying that you should let this behavior slide, or worse, encourage it. I get it, women are horrible and can get away with anything, so you should encourage your female children to be as sociopathic as possible.

Except they can't. The sort of attitude this behavior cultivates will leave her a failure of a human being. Maybe romantically there will be people who put up with this sort of behavior, but these gross displays of sadism won't serve her well academically or professionally.

I think canceling the party and forcing her to apologize to the boy are the bare minimum things you need to do to start with. The fact that she's doing these sorts of things at age eleven is a bad sign in my opinion, and you need to help fix her.

If you've got daughters from about 11 upwards until they are 16 or so, your eyes will be opened to the Red Pill. You know about these cyber bullying instances you read about? That's mostly teenage girls bullying the shit out of each other and other hapless betas. It's scary shit. One 15 y o bitch manipulated her father into attacking me about my daughter bullying his daughter online - turned out to be the opposite scenario with her hurling a long line of abuse over weeks to my daughter and she replied she was a bitch, and this was supplied as evidence of bullying.

The same daughter was out getting off her face on vodka any chance she got - and sent a topless selfie with her and my daughter's ex bf (who turned out to be gay) and that's only the stuff I knew about. The parents were oblivious to this.

Don't worry, I know my own daughter is no saint either, AWALT - but I've left her in no doubt about my thoughts as to how she should behave. In fact she sees me as a role model and not her mum, which I see as an achievement.

It gets worse. I wasn't allowed to be part of my kid's lives, the courts made damn sure about that. They grew up with their neglectful abusive bipolar whore of a mother as a role model.

The youngest of the two is 19, she chews up boys and spots them out, using them for anything she can get from them. She has the looks to pull it off, at 13 people were amazed she is my kid and I got tons of dirty looks from ugly girls when she was with me somewhere. Everyone assumed we were dating. Last year she told me she was around 60 on her N count, which is where I was at 25 when I met her mom.

She knows exactly how to manipulate boys into anything she wants, and she has fucked guys close to my age. Yeah I fuck sluts in her age group, so I know it happens. She admitted to a 36 yro when she was 17. Barely legal where she lives. This is what you get when the mother has control of things and the father isn't allowed to guide them, or he is a weak spineless wimp like her step dad.

Not much I can do about it now, I have zero leverage. The state prevented me from being there, and her mom tried very hard to keep me away. In Nebraska nobody cares about the father, he is only a wallet to plunder.