Summary: After riding the CC for a decade and leading a party lifestyle, date is ready to marry sooner then later. Off Birth Control. High partner count. Red Flags.
This post is going to be divided by a bit of game advice and also a field report from a recent date. Instead of creating two different posts I decided to combine them into one.
I've been doing the same routine that's been easy on me time and money wise and so far provides positive results. I have a bar about 15 minutes away from where I live. Its small, mostly quite. Its kinda out there, location wise. I always insist on this bar even if it's far from the girls. I start the entire interaction on the right foot as they will enter my frame and follow my lead. If they don't want to meet there I make it clear its that or nothing. I figure that if they are willing to make the effort and drive all the way here they are into me. I arrive five minutes early, order a double shot of whiskey and a nice draft beer. The date comes we grab a table and after the first beer and shallow introductions and conversation I tell her about the "questions game". There are three rules:
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You must answer truthfully or not at all.
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If you are uncomfortable with the question you can pass and get asked a different one.
- You cannot ask the other person the same question you've been asked yourself. (this last one is great, as you can ask her things that she won't be able to turn against you and also keeps the game moving and interesting).
It seems silly, but the thing is, it works. Instead of the early shit interview conversation, you get to really know the person and ask her "inappropriate" questions that now are totally cool because they are under the guise of a "game'.
After she finishes her first beer, and its my turn, I smile and ask, "do you want to keep it PG13?". They always always say no. Here is where the fun begins. My personal favorites are:
What is the strangest/coolest place you ever had sex at?
What is the worst/most embarrassing sexual experience you ever had?
What is your favorite sexual position?
What is your most depraved/wrong sexual fantasy?
Within twenty minutes tops she will get another drink and all of a sudden the energy in the air is sexual and lustful with big eyes and blushing answers. This is where you start to kino. Look at her earring and touch it and compliment on it. The same goes about a necklace or a ring she has. Next is the hair, nonchalantly touch it and make some observation. If she doesn't recoils and is down with it, you keep touching her hair until you literally pull her hair with a slightly tight grip close to her scalp. They really like it because it looks sweet and innocent but gets the tingles going speed light. You lean for the kiss and it goes well. You show you are in control and pull away first. Maybe sniff/touch/lightly kiss her ear. That's it. Then there is more kissing and there is 50% she will want to watch a movie at your place because, hey its so close to here, what are the odds. If not that night, you already kissed so next date sex has very high probability.
So I went on a date a few days ago with a beautiful woman. The Red Pill truths and clichés she kept spewing made me almost ask "can you repeat that?".
From all the online dating I've done so far, she is the prettiest one, by far. Thin, very nice body. Attractive face. Long beautiful black hair. At 28 she is a hard 8. In her early twenties definitely a soft 9. She came dressed very nice and a bit overdressed for the shit bar we are in.
Here are some highlights of our conversation.
Her kino. As a very attractive woman that used her sexuality as currency for more than a decade her own kino was like poetry in motion. Most guys kino, including myself, is clumsy, crude and unrefined. Her's was very subtle, arousing, and covert. She would lean her foot for a few seconds to touch yours. Would touch your body to make a point, leaving it just a micro second longer than necessary. Like a master that put 10,000 hours in his trade, she was a natural.
Admitted ex party girl. She was going to Cancun for many years starting before she was even eighteen. partying, drinking and "dancing on tables". Used to love heavy drinking. She is a very good dancer. She has found the light so to speak, and decided to calm down, go back to school and get married and have babies asap. A classic, CC in her twenties, approaching the wall and now ready to cash out with Billy Beta.
Longest relationship is six months. After fifty random dicks in various colors, shapes and lengths the longest relationship she could hold was half a year. She is going to get married without knowing how it feels being in a long term monogamous relationship with all its boredom and compromises.
No longer on birth control. The moment she is done with her CC, its time to get off birth control and start hunting for beta bucks online. A surprise pregnancy is a matter of time.
Previous boyfriend was a 58 year old wealthy man. She said they were together for two months. had sex only three times. She hated the sex, he couldn't get and stay hard. The only reason they split up is because she is wanting children and he has a vasectomy (I almost laughed when she said it, because I'm seriously contemplating to do one myself exactly for the same reason that dude did it. Not knocking up some random whore). Ready to settle with a wealthy secure man that she had unsatisfying sex with three times in a span of two months. Bails out when she realizes that dude shots blanks and won't reverse his vasectomy.
Admitted to 50 partner count. During our little question game I try to ask how many guys she has been with. Including blowjobs, handjobs and anal. (no hamster loopholes apply). 9/10 times they will pass this question, but my girl tonight, inspired by our chemistry and our apparent honesty actually answered.
Her: "haha, I don't know, I lost count"
Me: "well, is it 20 or 200?"
Her: "I guess about 50, is that too high?"
Admitted to fifty. According to various formulas it might be double or triple that figure.
Her next question was funny and shifted the dynamic of the conversation. At this stage, I kissed her a few times, we talked about sex, she thinks I am an excellent BB candidate.
She asks: "when was the last time you had sex?". She wants to gauge how successful I am in the SMP and also how desperate I am for her poon.
I answer: "two days ago".
Imagine taking a hamster and injecting it with anabolic steroids in potency and amount intended for an aging 400 pound gorilla. The entire dynamic changed. If before she was confident in her sexual appeal and power over me, now she knows she is just another girl that I can bang or not, while still having my balls emptied.
She says, confused: "ehh, do you have like, a fuck buddy?"
I grin, sigh and chuckle: "did you say a fuck buddy or fuck buddies?"
Now the already over excited hamster can no longer contain itself and starts spinning so fast that its tiny wheel is jetted above the atmosphere, shooting to explore other planets that may support hamster life.
She says: "more than one?!"
The thing is. I have two plates. Both are younger then hers. One is 21 and the other is 24. I already scheduled to meet with my main plate later this evening, after the date. I know for 100% I'm going to get laid tonight, the question is by who. This type of abundance cannot be faked. If you get laid on the reg, even a very attractive girl suddenly loses her leverage and value.
We briefly talk about my situation. She keeps using fuck buddies. I tell her its an ugly description. We date casually, I say. "do they know about each other?", she asks. "no, they don't. They just know that we aren't monogamous." She keeps using fuck buddies and trying to shame both them and me. Jeez lady, for someone that hopped on fifty dicks with very little commitment to show for it, you sure don't have the higher moral ground.
We kiss a bit more. We get a tab. I walk her to her car. We kiss a bit more and I leave. I don't think I'm going to peruse this further, because having protected sex with someone not on birth control and that professed their strong desire for children whilst showing a ton of red flags is a gamble i'm not willing to take, especially when younger, less sluttier, and BC protected poon is abundant.
I can see it already. She will find an aging, socially inept, out of shape CPA type. Will get knocked up by him in a month's time. The thing is, the CPA type will think he won the lottery, and truly if you wait long enough and don't give up you will find your beautiful and loving angel. Not knowing that his sweet little wife was getting railed in Cancun in exchange for some cheap shots of tequila. He'll understand and empathize with his sexually distant wife, understand that "she doesn't like blow jobs" that she is "not that type of a girl" whilst his wife is disgusted by this frail, desperate, naive shell of a man. There will be cheating, there will be a divorce, there will be decades worth of child support and alimony. He will do everything that The Blue Pill matrix taught him, leaving him in an emotional and financial ruin in exchange for a few years with a used up slut, past her youthful prime. Be happy and thankful, gentlemen. Without The Red Pill, you could have been that CPA type. I know that I could have been one, that's for sure.
Lessons Learned: Abundance mentality and plate spinning is crucial and cannot be faked.
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Kinda late but OP, one thing I will steal from you is when she asked when the last time you had sex was. I will give the same answer as you from now.
hirjd 8y ago
Woman fantasy is to tame the womanizer beast. If you aren't a womanizer she can't tame you. She has to believe. Good job dude.
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nowboarding 8y ago
Great! Would you mind sharing an example of a text interaction where the girl is initially hesitant to come out that far and of how you insist, leading her to agree? I find that I cave in too easily to meeting somewhere closer to her or sound pushy/needy when girls don't agree to this, while you've found the middle ground.
king_of_red_alphas 8y ago
That line about "I already know I'm getting laid tonight. The question is with who." is beautiful and the ultimate pressure relief / abundance in action.
Ironically, this is precisely how any 4+ woman feels any night of the week she goes out and is feeling horny.
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Zanford 8y ago
Sounds like the end of the date went south? You phrase it as if it was you dodging a bullet (which is true, and is the right abundance mentality) but I'm also getting the impression that the date devolved into an argument over your fuck buddies (aka you didn't keep things light and fun amidst her shit tests) and she stomped off.
Sounds like you kind of blew it to be honest and are glossing over the details. That said, your attitude of 'her loss' is the right attitude to have, whatever the reality, and it's probably just as well you didn't score given her high pregnancy and STD risks.
Even when you decide you don't want the bang, you should try to leave HER wanting it, as it's good practice for your game, and will help your abundnace mentality with your next date and your plates.
Also, about your logistics game - sounds like the place required driving for both of you, or at least you if you were taking her home, but you were drinking heavily?
redparadigm 8y ago
No argument. It was more teasing. I was not apologetic about my arrangements.
Also we walked to her car afterwards and kept kissing so it didn't end on a sour note.
I do think that she understood that I won't commit nor BB her so it's either NSA sex or nothing. I think she's done with AF for now at least and is in full BB search mission.
RedHeimdall 8y ago
Yeah see this is what I was thinking, so when you said "two days ago" and "multiple fuck buddies" I thought nooooooo bad move if you want to bone her. In situations like this I would always undersell my sexual situation ("it's been a while... maybe a month or so") and let them continue thinking I might be a BB possibility. Then again, if you didn't care you didn't care.
dr_sust 8y ago
What does AF mean in this context?
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dr_sust 8y ago
Ahhh, gotcha I totally spaced. I knew what BB meant, AF confused me because I read it as "as fuck".
REDPILLRECKONING 8y ago
I remember when I first became a physician and posted a pic of myself on social media with a whitecoat and stethoscope on.
I got bombed on by ONLY 28-29 YEAR OLDS
Good times.
epixs 8y ago
Bet you get bombed on by all the nurses as well.
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tjc1450 8y ago
Girlspeak: every 4 partners = 7 partners
Work at a rather nice Country Club. You just described about 1/2 of the younger wives here. Can't understand why guys 'buy' rather than 'lease' these types.
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I worked at an extremely upscale country club. The women were reserved, beautiful, well dressed, and for the most part within 5 years of their partners age. However, it's not like I would even know if any of them were shitty, though I would say that the younger ones there did generally have a lot of kids. Like 3-5.
newls 8y ago
If it floats, flies, or fucks, it's cheaper to rent.
tossabily 8y ago
For all the wealth some of these guys seem to have they sure do have a bad habbit of investing in something which will only depreciate with time.
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Soak up that knowledge and continue to share.
doritoesNcoffee 8y ago
Multiply their partner count by 3 to be even more accurate.
beginner_ 8y ago
50? Probably means anything from 100 to 1000. If I had banged say 200 chicks, I would have no clue how many it actually would have been. So saying "50" (a lot) does sound like a standard answer.
Dark-Ulfberht 8y ago
Lots of truth in your story, there. But I fixed one thing for you:
We need to stay realistic and grounded here.
Stayinghereforreal 8y ago
Don't worry, r/ sex and r/ relationships will there to tell her future husband it is all his fault when his wife is sexually bored and does not bother having sex with him after the kid shows up. Later, he will make Facebook posts declaring his love for his wife, before there is an eventual divorce.
The guy will start to clue in when he sees his alimony and child support payments go towards paying off some paroled, tatted-up bad boy's Harley, when that guy moves into his old house with his ex, and the kid(s). Kids will be dumbstruck at the changes, but they will try to pretend everything's okay, because mom demands it. The stress level in the house will be through the roof, as mom pretends she is happy, the kids live in dread of making the new boyfriend mad, boyfriend treats ex and kids like crap, and dad gets to eat ramen so he can pay for his ex wife's new sexual mistakes.
Welcome to Marriage 2.0, young men. Now, who wants to risk that outcome? Sign right up!
RPthrowaway123 8y ago
Ouch. That's so accurate it hurts.
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Or if she's anything like my mother, reap the money your father stored for your college savings and spend it on wine, pills, and vacations for her, the new boyfriend and his kids and not inviting her own biological kids.
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Dont forget that MOST of these chumps never learn and REMARRY.
En_sigma 8y ago
I've been married over 20 years (to the snowiest snowflake that ever flaked snow!!) but this is the version I give my son. Don't do, son, I know WE did it, but things are different now.
billcosbyeatsbabies 8y ago
Fucking eh, you nailed the long run buddy. Good on you for gathering your son properly
RedPillJax 8y ago
Sage advice.
Just because you did it well, doesn't mean the same rules apply.
Kudos for 20 years so far, and keep raising your son to be a man.
dyrone_biggums 8y ago
Spot on. Times have changed and not a lot of the older crowd understand that.
Tom_The_Human 8y ago
The thing is, it would be his fault; he fell for a beta seeking ho.
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doesnt matter had mediocre sex for a bit... right?
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RP_Student 8y ago
You're 90% right except for the part about it NOT being the beta's fault.
It 100% is his fault for buying into an idea (sex and loyalty in exchange for duty and provision) that is so clearly no longer true. Its also his fault for NOT being the kind of guy that excites women, almost any guy can be such a guy if he expends his effort in the right channels.
ProductivityMonster 8y ago
yes, courts can't enforce sex and loyalty, only provision (and unequally at that).
exit_sandman 8y ago
And a guy who fits the image can fail at it because he loses his edge over time.
rossiFan 8y ago
I don't think that could be any more concise than it was. Great wordsmithing.
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So fucking accurate it's actually causing me physical pain.
guest121 8y ago
You forgot to mention in between the r/ relationships post and the divorce, there will be a r/ deadbedrooms post where he will be encouraged to do more chores. Because she is tired, and that's why she doesn't want sex.
pantsoffire 8y ago
Yuck. A while ago I would of laughed at that truth. Now it's just- pitiful.
LionLaw 8y ago
So what you're saying is.... We should all strive to be the new boyfriend with the Harley?
Ok, I gotchu
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Nah, no point in dating/moving in with a single mother.
LionLaw 8y ago
Idk, having some beta pay off my bike while I pound his ex wife sounds pretty good.
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To each his own.
I don't want kids, no point being around or dealing with kids that aren't mine. I'd rather look towards women without the stretch marks or time restraints.
Plus, she has a track record of hooking men into this crap... I'll pass on that alone. One, I don't support that behavior and two, no matter how smart you are, someone else is better than you. I'd rather bypass this additional risk of taking on the seasoned professional.
NightGod 8y ago
20 minute trip to the urologist can ensure that you never fall into that same trap...
LionLaw 8y ago
Id bail at the hint of danger lol, but best to exploit a person whose exploiting another anyway
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Risk takers will get caught more often than those who avoid them.
If I saw some major loss on my end avoiding these women, I'd reconsider. But in this case, I'd actually prefer to avoid this woman even if there no risk. It's a simple opportunity cost of a higher quality woman elsewhere.
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KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
"Just tell me what to sayyyyyy..."
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trpdownunder 8y ago
I just say "respect..." with raised eyebrows. It's a definitive enough gesture that it counts as some sort of answer but she never really knows whether or not you think she's a slut. Of-course, it is important to remember that she is always a slut.
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Everyone else here is saying to act.
For a plate? Doesn't matter. Why should it? Go get an STI test, come back when you're done and we'll have a night. shrug
If you are looking for an LTR, that's a disappointment. Be honest about it. Informing her that you figure that puts a wrench in things means she can honestly face it.
If it's not the end of the world, but still a thing, then make sure that's clear too. She'll be brought to bargain, sacrifice a few things, and may be more conscientious of some of her own behaviours that can help her be a better LTR. Things like actually trying to stick it out when something doesn't go easy, and keeping you updated at the right levels and about the right things.
If it is a show-stopper, telling her that will help her. Whether it helps the next guy? Probably not, since she'll just lie about it.
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When a girl told me it was 36 I acted all relieved and was like "whew that's a relief, from the sounds of it I imagined it was more like 200"
She felt good it was only in the 30's and I gave her a strange back handed compliment. Her hamster: so does he think I look/act like a whore or that I'm so pretty it could be in the 200s?
newls 8y ago
Act like you're not really bothered by it, maybe even outwardly say that it doesn't matter all that much. She might feel compelled to give her count, she might not.
Girls are very aware that a low partner count heightens their SMV, but most will never admit it.
Obviously a high partner count has a profoundly damaging effect on a woman's psyche and LTR suitability. But what do you gain from telling her that? She then associates you with judging and negativity.
Lt_Muffintoes 8y ago
Or don't act. Simply don't be bothered.
Imagine you go to a car rental place. Now normally, you can afford to hire some family Honda, but today, today the sales guy pulls back the curtain on a 3 year old mazarati, which he's offering for less than the Honda. Sure, there's dings in the fender, and questionable stains on the seats, but fuck, you're not actually buying it, and it's a fukken mazarati.
Have your fun, do some doughnuts and race at the lights. Just don't buy out the lease, and don't let the cum stains detract from the fun too much.
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TamingDebt 8y ago
Hahahaha you speak Hamster fluently. Beautiful.
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This is going to become my new backhanded compliment for women. This is the best thing that I've ever fucking heard, because, if we're living in their reality, it actually should be a compliment, right?
the99percent1 8y ago
Spoken like a true Mach.
Conceal your intentions, and you shall get the truth.
BrunoOh 8y ago
And then don't actually judge her for it. When she starts nagging for commitment, don't tell her "ur a slut gtfo", but "I'm not ready" or bullshit like that. Don't set off her asd for the next guy.
waylandertheslayer 8y ago
Yeah, enjoy your turn then pass her along to the next guy in as good a shape as you can.
DuncanMonroe 8y ago
Love this attitude. No reason for a scorched earth policy, we're all in this together. As far as ravaging that pussy and leaving it a loose mess for the next guy, sorry, can't help you with that.
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vengefully_yours 8y ago
Take whatever she say x3, or better yet ^3.
RedBigMan 8y ago
I know I've been responsible for propagating the x3 rule.
However, I honestly think that the higher the number they're willing to admit to the lower the multiplier you need to apply. A girl admits to 8 dudes... you can safely multiply that by 3 and come to the conclusion she's had 24 dicks. If she admits to 50 dicks then you probably only need to use a x2 multiplier and she's probably had 100 dicks... If she's said she's had 250 dicks well at that point do we really need to use the multiplier system that's way too much dick.
NidStyles 8y ago
If she tell's me she's had 250 dicks I'm googling her name to find the video.
TheDialecticParadox 8y ago
If she says she's had 250 dicks you're probably talking to Sasha Grey.
Hatorader 8y ago
It's at least 150 probably higher. Holy fuck.
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Just add 1531 to the number bro...
onepill_twopill 8y ago
nah, add 1776.
'murica
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Might be a tad high for some, but I know a couple who could be there.
99639 8y ago
It depends on what your endgame really is. I don't care because I assume any woman I'm pursuing (attractive, willing to bang after just barely meeting me) has fucked plenty of guys before me. I wouldn't ask that sort of question and honestly any attractive woman who casually dates (a few fuck buddies in social circles, a few fuck buddies on tinder, etc.) is probably fucking 2-3 guys at a time anyway. They probably don't even know their number, after a while you lose count. If you have some personal prohibition against a high partner count then I guess you could just make an excuse and end the date early, but if that's how you roll I'd say you will only meet your ideal woman on Christian Mingle or some shit and you're wasting your time in any bar, party, or tinder/online.
Otherwise, the same advice as always applies. Be funny, be sexually forward. Don't shame her for the number, you're only going to encourage her to throw up LMR/ASD.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I've tried to write them all down, get a different number every time. I have to think of what car I was driving at the time to get an idea of them. I remember all kinds of shit from decades ago, but damned if I can remember every bitch I've fucked. At least Korea is easy, two over there, two in the states. Longest dry spell since the 80s.
Anyway, if I can't remember 100 girls with a very good memory, there is no way a girl can unless shes fat, ugly, or a religious nut....especially at my age.
grendalor 8y ago
Exactly.
I mean, this is just for sex, so it really doesn't matter what her count is. And in 2015 any woman who is attractive, and doesn't have hangups about sex, has a very high count anyway -- we all know that. It's irrelevant -- she's just a plate, and higher count women do sex better for the most part anyway, so it's all good.
darkrood 8y ago
You guys are actually doing the multiplying?
You do realize we are talking about partner count, right?
so random fling/ONS/drunk blackout/ don't count.
Now add those random encounters into the final count.....
And OP kiss her multiple time through out the date?
mrmeyhemn 8y ago
she admitted to 50, we all know the rule, double or triple that. aaaand you kissed her.....wtf man.
mryddlin 8y ago
'She was never yours, it was just your turn'
Remember that phrase and come to terms with it, it applies to all of them.
mrmeyhemn 8y ago
oh i get it, i just don't want to be the guy that gets his turn at 150...
mryddlin 8y ago
totally fair, high partner count suggest many things that are ultimately going to be negative.
If you're out to slam pussy then just make sure you dome up and wash up right afterward. Keep an eye out for the safety red flags (doesn't insist on condom, pussy smells like dead fish, gets awkward over the STI testing questions, etc)
Smart CC riders take care of their pussy health, they know it's their main asset. It's the fucking dumb ones you have to be careful of, low hanging fruit is easy to pick but goes bad the fastest.
The lower the fruit, the faster the rot.
TechnoRaptor 8y ago
i dont think it applies to realistic numbers. if she said like 6 i would say okay 12?
Purecorrupt 8y ago
I would say 50+ is realistic if they admit to being a "party girl" and procrastinate stuff like school until they are 28 with the inclusion of being a soft 9 or solid 8.
docbloodmoney 8y ago
realistic numbers for who, a 16 year old? Any 28 year old 8/10 will be in triple digits for sure
TechnoRaptor 8y ago
triple digits? you think thats commmon ?
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rossiFan 8y ago
Fucking classic comeback, dude. Nice thinking on your feet.
Deeze_Rmuh_Nudds 8y ago
That last paragraph niiiiice/brutal.
Also...the fuck is plate spinning? lol
Ok downvoted me but don't tell me what it is. It sounds dumb as fuck. All I can think of is like those clowns or something.
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"If it flies, floats or fucks, it's cheaper to rent." - Rev. Lawrence Shannon
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50 means 500. always add a zero
RedPillscientist 8y ago
"Now the already over excited hamster can no longer contain itself and starts spinning so fast that its tiny wheel is jetted above the atmosphere, shooting to explore other planets that may support hamster life."
Lol great touch with the recent discovery of Kepler 452. Very much enjoyed this little gem.
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Lhtfoot 8y ago
This post is all that is man... This is text-book work, my friend. Coupled with a remarkable analysis! You are on top of your game buddy! You just basically told a hard 8 to fuck off... because you KNOW you're better than that! This is a victory for all us Red-Pillers... Bravo motherfucker! Bravo!
FaustoRMD 8y ago
"Now the already over excited hamster can no longer contain itself and starts spinning so fast that its tiny wheel is jetted above the atmosphere, shooting to explore other planets that may support hamster life." Fucking lol
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BramRhodesDouglas 8y ago
That's exactly how I felt. I go to a pretty conservative southern university and there are plenty of chicks I know who bang a different dude every week and sometimes even more. It's crazy how high these chicks' number count is.
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mrmeyhemn 8y ago
cc= cock carousel
kino = physical contact
Kid_Crimson 8y ago
CC = Cock Carousel (promiscuous sex) and Kino (from Kinesthetic) = Physical Touch
The sidebar is that way =========>>
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oddMahnsta 8y ago
Yikes calling out an entire profession has never been so harsh. some young bright cpa bound redpillers seriously reconsidering their career choices after that note at the end. Rip to that profession.
Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
From my experience all women have had sex with a prime number of people.
Burner1701 8y ago
My wife's number was zero before me, no prime there.
GoldPisseR 8y ago
Lucky fuck.
Most guys can only dream of marrying a virgin now.
She didn't suck any dick before right?
Burner1701 8y ago
Hi, nope. She's tall, the kind of tall that makes some girls shy and nerdy. She was in a nerdy awkward girl group in highschool to judge by her old friends, then her uni friends are mostly religious (though she is an atheist). Then she met me. Frankly I think the fact that she has never been a drinker is a big factor.
Sherlock--Holmes 8y ago
Nice..
But is that midlife crisis coming up? Just curious what you are doing on redpill?
Burner1701 8y ago
Ha, no I'll get another new car and keep the sweet wife.
I've been a redditor for a while, on another account. The redpill interests me intellectually, though I'm far from agreeing with it all. I'm 46 so older than a lot of users here, and have had a very different life experience from the redpill ideal. Marriage has worked for me and the more I read here the more I realise how lucky I am with my wife. Her brother is a natural alpha with a long history of relationships, one nighters, affairs, dating younger women, hell he is 49 and his girlfriend for a while last year was 21, but he is depressed and all he wants is to find a partner for life, actually a wife. I find it all interesting. Some of the young hotheads are idiotic of course but there are morons on all subs.
BetterRedThanRed 8y ago
If you had said "well, is it 50 or 500?" she would give you a umber between 50 and 500.
"I guess about 100, is that too high?"
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Kid_Crimson 8y ago
Solid post Op! Good detail and nice actionable tips with the question game bit description.
flightmac 8y ago
I loved this post. Sometimes this sub gets a bit over the top with theory, I found this to be a treat to read. The truths you spoke were spot on and I learned a great deal in a short read. Thank you for your time
TheyHaveToGo 8y ago
I like the energy but I think the guise of a "game", is unnecessary to turn her on and data mine. It worked but it just isn't my style but I may just be a cranky olde. Keep up the good work.
iamz3ro 8y ago
I would like a follow up on this OP. No doubt she will contact you tomorrow or some time soon.
urmomsacct 8y ago
CPA type checking in. This man speaks the truth. FML
puppy2010 8y ago
What does CPA mean?
CPA is an accounting qualification (which i'm studying towards) but I don't think it means that in a redpill sense.
urmomsacct 8y ago
Haha, it means accountant. He just means a safe, hardworking sucker. No offense to accounting, it is a great profession.
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How old are you man? You gota be close to 30 no? If so how the f do you plate a 21 year old? Those kids are fucking insufferable.
slutnip 8y ago
I plate 18-21 year olds, and I am 33 get a new one every weekend, I have yet to find one I like more than a weekend but there are amazing ones out there, full of energy and sass. Next the insufferable ones and keep looking
I wouldnt date a girl over 25 unless she was cool as shit. They seem to lose their spunk/zeal and have nothing left when they hit this age and you can watch them start to Kaboom into heffers
RojoEscarlata 8y ago
PFF what? if you are into your late 20's and 30's you should plate ELUSIVELY 18-22 y.o. tops.
TheyHaveToGo 8y ago
You can plate a 21 year old at 30 without knowing anything about her pop culture. Just be strong, straightforward, and confident. Those traits are rare in their cohort so you will appear to be even more alpha than the most alpha man her age.
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I've been told that I am way too old by those chicks. And I'm 27!
TheyHaveToGo 8y ago
Nah man you aren't too old at all. Just root yourself in your masculine traits and girls that age will be attracted because it is something different and unique that is also what they crave. Keep it up and you will be fine. I had three 22 and under plates in the past year until I entered my most recent LTR. You will do well.
Burner1701 8y ago
My 49 year old brother recently dated a 21 year old, fell in love with her, wanted to marry her, then she smashed his heart into tiny little pieces and went immediately back to her abusive and shitty young ex.
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What'd you think was gonna happen?
Burner1701 8y ago
Me? I thought she would break his heart. Her parents were dead against him and he still doesn't understand why. That was 2 or 3 "girlfriends" ago though, and who knows how many hookups, but he is still mooning over her.
Burner1701 8y ago
Me? I thought she would break his heart. Her parents were dead against him and he still doesn't understand why. That was 2 or 3 "girlfriends" ago though, and who knows how many hookups, but he is still mooning over her.
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Even the best of us falter. Your brother's cool.
[deleted] 8y ago
Maybe flogging some dead horses but a thoroughly well put together post. It's been too long since I read one.
grewapair 8y ago
I probably know a half dozen women like the end result you forecasted for this one. HB8, well above average, suddenly stops dating good looking losers and settles down with the most boring , slightly chubby guy on the planet. The guy thinks he's hit the jackpot. Little does he know that he's the jackpot, and he's about to be hit.
Three kids later, and when the youngest is a year or two past Kindergarten, and thus, in school for most of the day, the hardworking guy gets hit with divorce and can't figure out what happened.
The woman gets the kids, the car and the house, and sufficient payments to keep her life going while working minimally for the next ten years while she returns to the CC.
darkrood 8y ago
Or what my buddy heard during tea time:
Succubus: "I just stop having sex with my ex-hubby, start getting side-dick, and when he is so desperate for sex. He end up cheating on me with his secretary. I guilt trip him during the divorce process, so I end up with the house, the kids, and tons of money and free time for afternoon teat at these type of places all in less than 5 years!!!"
Friends: "Did you get a lot of money from the divorce?"
Succubus:"(Laughs) He had to surrender his monthly salary before we married, and he only had allowance to spend."
Mind you: This is in Asia, so that blue-pilled buddy is retelling the story like it's nightmare on the Elm street.
sparkleselite 8y ago
If she was a party girl and is approaching the wall then her partner count is at least in the 100+
the_number_2 8y ago
Yeah, he gave her a range of 20 to 200, so to her he must think 20 is a really low number. Okay, don't want to sound prude. He thinks 200 is high... shit, if only he knew my REAL number. I'll say something low to seem normal but not too low to seem prude or undesirable.
50!
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rossiFan 8y ago
You know, for cheating bitches, there is the 20% rule, and it's been verified many times. If they say they've been with 2 guys, it's 10. I wonder if it's the same for party girls. So, more like 250? If she was passed out drunk in Cancun at 18 (or rohypnols), many trains have been run on her, I promise.
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Shit yeah, that's only 10 guys per year; not even 1 a month.
anecdotal 8y ago
She said she was partying before 18, and she's what (did the OP say?) 28 ish? That's 120 months of party life. Even if she had one new partner a month, that's 120. Probably closer to 200, but she dated an older man for money which shows her hypergamy may contain a little pragmatism.
Regardless, lol. I don't see how any self-respecting man could sign a contract with someone like that.
RedPillJax 8y ago
Always hard to fault a woman for pragmatism, but she'd have to be a perfect 10 to get me in there after Donald Trump.
asianmasaccount 8y ago
Dude this is a really good field report.
Although maybe I'm just bias cuz I also had s cozy nice little neighborhood bar I took most girls too.
My approach wasn't as smooth as your "questions game" thing though, but was workable. Your shits genius.
sabinmightyfist 8y ago
Really great post. Junior accounting student though and the CPA comment is right on point. Most CPAs are extremely overweight and socially retarded.
Squeezymypenisy 8y ago
Same with engineers too. Really most high paid professions.
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I am glad to hear this. A lot of dudes (at least 50 of them lol) would take the gamble, and one of those poor bastards will lose.... bad.
When will we get to control our own reproductive rights? When is male birth control going to be an option.
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[deleted] 8y ago
NOPE.
Maybe if we improve test-tube babies instead...
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I think you have missed my point.
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tdh4u 8y ago
Keep in mind the slut filter when even a girl trying to be honest tells you her number. They often don't count the ones they are ashamed of or were just ONS. When I was full blue pill last year, I was orbiting a girl, full wall, recently divorced and just turned 30 and we talked and texted all day everyday. She would tell me who and when she was dating and so would I. Although, I was secretly hoping she would end up picking me, but that's a different story. Anyways, her number was 3, the guy she married as a virgin and then 2 guys post divorce. I knew she had sex with a fourth guy she met a few months earlier at a golf driving range. They met, went out a few nights later and they had sex. She never heard from him again. In a random conversation, she mentions her number was 3 and I reminded her of the golf guy she hooked up a few months earlier. Her response was, "oh yeah, that guy". So sometimes women just don't count every guy. Especially when it didn't mean anything.
RojoEscarlata 8y ago
Sex is so incredibly available for the "average good looking woman", and add that to the insatiable sexual nature of women and you have a pretty crude reality of sex that even most RP men don't see.
OP, if that girl "admitted" to a 50 partner count, she is well deep in to the triple digits.
[deleted] 8y ago
Solid post, well written, great mix of theory, FR and advice. This is what I come here for. Thanks.
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The last paragraph wasn't exactly necessary, was it?
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BramRhodesDouglas 8y ago
I don't get what you're saying. Alcohol lowers a man's SMV?
tallwheel 8y ago
Yeah, it's fine to tell a woman you smoke, drink, and eat greasy food. Might even raise your SMV. What you don't want to show are the negative results from it. What she really wants is a thin healthy guy who shows invincibility to all of those things.
braking_point 8y ago
This is truth. Woman saw me eat like a monster, and said I'm so jealous of you. A couple of months later with a bigger tummy, my smv dropped like a rock.
tjc1450 8y ago
Would it be better for all y'all if she'd had only one long term partner -- if he was successful and good looking with a thick 10" that made her come all the time for years ? Or despite having received miles more dick, would she just be a better person ?
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Burner1701 8y ago
So, she found out you are casually screwing two other girls and so lost interest in you. Isn't that exactly what she should be doing? If she had continued to throw herself at you she would have fit the mold but she didn't.
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"About 50" I guess she lost count?
So apply the Rule of Three and factor in she's had an STD.
FrameWalker 8y ago
Are you so upfront with all girls? I dabbled with laying it out explicitly and communicating strongly. Always lead to resentment., even though they were seeing other guys at the same time. I wait for them to bring it up and i deflect for many months first.
redparadigm 8y ago
Yeah, I'm trying to be honest. I know that a lot of girls won't accept this arrangement but I am fine with that. With certain girls it activates constant dread and a huge preselction tingle fest. "If other girls are fine with that arrangement, I bet this guy is something special and worth a try".
The key is to be subtle about it and not rub their face in it. Never mention other girls. Just be clear at all times that your are not monogamous.
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popthatpill 8y ago
Guffaw. Women are shameless like this.
cover20 8y ago
To me the PIV penetration count is important. Only that causes the woman's body to release oxytocin to bond her to a man. Those are the guys she might fantasize about. Those are the guys who injected their DNA. (Does swallowing cum have the same effect of DNA transfer? I would assume not since it goes thru the digestive system, and we don't absorb DNA when we eat a steak do we?)
It was good to probe alternative forms of sex she may have had, but I would want to have the PIV only total broken out too.
Why is it impossible to fake abundance? Fake it til you make it is a great rule of game. If you're not desperate it should be doable. Whereas if you're desperate it's hard to act as if you're not.
redparadigm 8y ago
Faking abundance is hard. If you haven't gotten laid in two months and an attractive girl is touching you and there is the real possibility of getting laid your frame is weak and you'll likely will jump through a lot of hoops that you would ordinarily not.
cocaine_face 8y ago
This is why it is important to cultivate real, life long abundance by going out a lot and seducing a lot of women. And when you're rejected, moving on to a new one immediately. That takes time and it takes effort and it isn't easy.
But when you've done the seduction process enough, when you know you can get with girls of at least moderate attractiveness without much effort anymore, even not fucking someone for months isn't really an issue (though arguably you'd only experience that in self-imposed situations, like monk mode).
JumpXVI 8y ago
Eh, I landed one LTR after not having gotten laid for over a year (graduated in a LDR and a shitty job market). The frame you should really be projecting is one that doesn't place that pussy on a pedestal.
I had her (new girl not LDR girl) in bed within three dates, after swatting away the "I have to know the guy is into me" shit test and the "my third HPV dose is in three months I shouldn't have sex until then" shit test that was evidently only slightly less subjective. I just didn't care how fast I got into her pants.
I may be more "relationship" oriented than "plate spinning" oriented, and it is honestly very powerful to be able to say/think "I'm going to get laid tonight, the question is by who". Not being able to claim that shouldn't sway your frame, though.
WishfulTraveler 8y ago
What did you say to each shit test?
JumpXVI 8y ago
Basically, I said "Oh. Okay." To both. That's it. They both came at the same time as a literal numbered "list". I'd call it LMR (last minute resistance), but like I said, I wasn't interested in sealing the deal asap for some +1 notch count.
We were being intimate, but I wasn't escalating aggresively, so she wasn't "resisting" as much as she was checking her own desire to fuck. And then hamstering it away the next date when I similarly did not aggresively escalate.
We were fooling around again, and she literally said out loud unprompted: "...well...that first point I brought up...I don't think that's a problem...and I was looking up online earlier about the HPV thing, and one site said it's actually okay to have sex...so..."
So yeah. Without me fixating on boning her, she literally looked for reasons to fuck me, and soon enough we were fucking up to 5-6 times a week. "Sweet humblebrag bro" and all, lol, but I think this is a really crucial takeaway.
Kaitohi 8y ago
Your question game sounds like something 13 year olds play
1independentmale 8y ago
Women eat that shit up. Look at any women's magazine, they're full of lame games and surveys that teenagers would play. Yet adult women buy these magazines every day.
There's a reason we call women "the most responsible teenagers in the house."
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ah the all too prevalent shaming of men's game. The questions game has been in the community for years now and is great.
NiceTryDisaster 8y ago
The question game is one of the strongest tricks in my game
pillpapa 8y ago
I agree! Sounds like a perfect game to play with the most resposible teenager in the room!
cocaine_face 8y ago
The younger and sillier you act the more they eat it up. What do you think gaming a girl is? Having long drawn out discussions about historical trends? Act like an overgrown kindergartener that dgaf and you'll be golden.
BramRhodesDouglas 8y ago
Dude big kid game gets me laid constantly in my little college town. It helps women feel safe and like they're having lots of fun.
franklyforthright 8y ago
I can't wait for four years from now when all the women my age start hitting the wall! I'll be still climbing and they'll all turn to dust
Garathon 8y ago
Man, that sounds pathetic. Work on improving yourself instead.
franklyforthright 8y ago
I'll still be climbing / I'll still be improving
VancouverSucks 8y ago
I'm. Witnessing it as an speak. It's awesome.
ericatx 8y ago
There are a lot of CC riding women like this out there who are smarter that this chick was at hiding their real intentions. In vino veritas worked in your favor man. Good post.
loin_fruit 8y ago
So many red flags. I find it fascinating when women finally tell the truth about their partner count. Most women especially feminists, will complain about how it's ok to be a slut and how it's absolutely fine to sleep around, yet you ask them their count and they lie.
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loin_fruit 8y ago
Oh I know about the term. Thanks though.
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NotRAClST2 8y ago
too late, she's already spread the herpes to you, bro.
bnine_ 8y ago
I like the question thing. But my sex life is without much of experience, quite embarassing.
Should i lie about that playing it?
vengefully_yours 8y ago
50? Yeah fucking right. It's far more than that if she's relatively attractive.
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fitnesstested 8y ago
https://youtu.be/esuEWfguU2s
chadchadington 8y ago
"The thing is. I have two plates. Both are younger then hers. One is 21 and the other is 24. I already scheduled to meet with my main plate later this evening, after the date. I know for 100% I'm going to get laid tonight, the question is by who."
You sir, have gained 'Baller' status. Bravo.
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