I can't claim these 30 pieces of straight RP wisdom, but I knew I had to share it when I found it. While all of it is as clear as you can get, I love the author's (anonymous) take on women, and how his feeling of captain/first mate mentality shines through (even though this post covers all aspects of society, not just relationships). Enjoy.
- Don’t pick on the weak. It’s immoral. Don’t antagonize the strong without cause, its stupid.
- Don’t hate women. It’s a waste of time
- Invest in yourself. Material things come to those that have self actualized.
- Get in a fistfight, even if you are going to lose.
- As a former Marine, take it from me. Don’t join the military, unless you want to risk getting your balls blown off to secure other people’s economic or political interests.
- If something has a direct benefit to an individual or a class of people, and a theoretical, abstract, or amorphous benefit to everybody else, realize that the proponent’s intentions are to benefit the former, not the latter, no matter what bullshit they try to feed you.
- Don’t be a Republican. They are self-dealing crooks with no sense of honor or patriotism to their fellow citizens. If you must be a Republican, don’t be a “conservative.” They are whining, bitching, complaining, simple-minded self-righteous idiots who think they’re perpetual victims. Listen to talk radio for awhile, you’ll see what I mean.
- Don’t take proffered advice without a critical analysis. 90% of all advice is intended to benefit the proponent, not the recipient. Actually, the number is probably closer to 97%, but I don’t want to come off as cynical.
- You’ll spend your entire life listening to people tell you how much you owe them. You don’t owe the vast majority of people shit.
- Don’t undermine your fellow young men. Mentor the young men that come after you. Society recognizes that you have the potential to be the most power force in society. It scares them. Society does not find young men sympathetic. They are afraid of you, both individually and collectively. Law enforcement’s primary purpose is to suppress you.
- As a young man, you’re on your own. Society divides and conquers. Unlike women who have advocates looking out for them (NOW, Women’s Study Departments,government, non-profit organizations, political advocacy groups) almost no one is looking out for you.
- Young men provide the genius and muscle by which our society thrives. Look at the Silicone Valley. By in large, it was not old men or women that created the revolution we live. Realize that society steals your contributions, secures it with our intellectual property laws, and then takes credit and the rewards where none is due.
- Know that few people have your best interests at heart. Your mother does. Your father probably does (if he stuck around). Your siblings are on your side. Everybody else worries about themselves.
- Don’t be afraid to tell people to “Fuck off” when need be. It is an important skill to acquire. As they say, speak your piece, even if your voice shakes.
- Acquire empathy, good interpersonal skills, and confidence. Learn to read body language and non-verbal communication. Don’t just concentrate on your vocational or technical skills, or you’ll find your wife fucking somebody else.
- Keep fit.
- Don’t speak ill of your wife/girlfriend. Back her up against the world, even if she’s wrong. She should know that you have her back. When she needs your help,give it. She should know that you’ll take her part.
- Don’t cheat on your wife/girlfriend. If you must cheat, don’t humiliate her.Don’t risk having your transgressions come back to her or her friends. Don’t do it where you live. Don’t do it with people in your social circle. Don’t shit in your own back yard.
- If your girlfriend doesn’t make you feel good about yourself and bring joy to your life, fire her. That’s what girlfriends are for.
- Don’t bother with “emotional affairs.” They are just a vehicle for women to flirt and have someone make them feel good about themselves. That’s the part of a relationship they want. For you it is a lot of work and investment in time. If they are having an emotional affair with you, they’re probably fucking someone else.
- Becoming a woman’s friend and confidant is not going to get you into an intimate relationship. If you haven’t gotten the girl within a reasonably short period of time, chances are you won’t ever get her. She’ll end up confiding to you about the sexual adventures she’s having with someone else.
- Have and nurture friendships with women.
- Realize that love is a numbers game. Guys fall in love easily. You’re going to see some girl and feel like you’ll die if you don’t get her. If she rejects you,move on to the next one. It’s her loss.
- Don’t be an internet troll. Got out and live life. There is not a cadre of beautiful women advertising on Craigslist to have NSA sex with you. Beautiful women don’t need to advertise. The websites that advertise with attractive women’s photos and claims of loneliness are baloney. All they want is your money and your personal information so that they can market to you. The posts on Craigslist by young “women” seeking NSA sex, and asking for a picture are just a bunch of gay troll pic collectors. This is especially true if the post uses common gay lexicon like “hole” as in “fuck my hole” or seeks “masculine” men, or uses the word cock(except in the context of “Don’t send a cock shot.”) There are women on Craigslist. They are easily recognizable by their 2-5 paragraph postings. Most are in their 30's or older.
- When you become a man in full, know that people will get in your way. People who are attracted to you will somehow manage to step in your path. Gay guys will give you “the look.” Old people will somehow stumble in front of you at the worst time. Don’t get frustrated. Just step aside and go about your business. Know that these are passive aggressive methods to get you to acknowledge their existence.
- Don’t gay bash. Don’t mentally or physically abuse people because of who they are, or how they present themselves. It’s none of your business to try to intimidate people into conformity.
- If your gay, admit it to yourself, your parents, your friends and society at large. Be prepared to get harassed. See rule 14. If someone threatens you or assaults you, call the cops. Have them arrested. You have no obligation to self sacrifice because of who you are. As a gay person, you’ll have more social freedom than straight men. Use it to protect yourself. Be prepared to get out of Dodge if your orientation makes your life unbearable. Move to San Francisco, New York, Atlanta, or New Orleans. You’ll find a welcoming community there.
- Don’t be a poser. Avoid being one of those dudes who puts a surfboard on top of their car, but never surfs, or a dude with a powder coated fixed gear bike and a messenger bag, but was never a messenger. Live the life. Earn your bona fides.
- Don’t believe the crap about the patriarchy. More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men.More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence,including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting fucked over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. You have nothing to feel guilty about.
- Remember, 97% of all advice is worthless. Take what you can use, and trash the rest.
reel_nikkas_dot_com 9y ago
Woman are not happier than men source: Freakonomics radio
pl231 9y ago
since 97 % of all advice is worthless, I'm gonna take # 3 "Invest in yourself" as my peach of this list, which is roughly 3 %!
spaced86 9y ago
You're already over your limit, since you already accepted #30 to not be bullshit ;)
denmaur 9y ago
As a former active duty Marine I whole-heartedly agree with number 5. What passes for national interest these days is just an excuse to send American troops to fight someone else's battles.
SeaRavenTX 9y ago
My dad served in Vietnam and forbade me from joining. As a separated veteran myself, I should have just worked harder to get into a better scholarship offer from more universities. The years that I served made me stronger but when I returned all of my civilian friends weren't damaged goods like me and already had homes, kids, cars and investments. I'm patriotic, but both the author and my father were right. You're right, most politicians just have their own financial interests in mind when sending good, middle-class men to the most wretched corners of the world.
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Magnum256 9y ago
I don't think the advice OP posted was advocating going out and looking for fist fights regularly, I think it's saying "get in one real fist fight in your life when you're a grown man" more than anything else.
I can sort of see the wisdom in that I mean with how complacent our society has become I think it's less and less common to actually find yourself in a situation that results in a physical fight and I can see how the "use it or lose it" mentality might come into play where someone who never has to face that situation wouldn't necessarily know how to respond, or they would be plagued with fear, nervousness, etc.
Again I don't think the advice OP posted was advocating looking for regular fist fights (nor do I believe it's a good idea) but winning a fight is certainly empowering and I can see how the experience has the potential to be beneficial from a psychological standpoint.
NeverPull0ut 9y ago
Couldn't agree with you more, man. One of my buddies got into some shit at a bar a few years back. Dude threw a punch at him, and he punched back. Turned out the guy had a pre existing condition he didn't know about, and he died instantly.
Buddy didn't have any legal ramifications since it was self defense, but he really hasn't recovered from the fact he killed a guy.
There's just too many negative possible outcomes when it comes to fighting. Unless it's truly self defense, I believe it should be avoided.
galvanised_computer 9y ago
I think by "Republican" they mean the American-Fox News stereotype that pushes for smaller government but not only fails to recognize when government is overstepping its power, but rationalizes it.
MartialWay 9y ago
The immense visceral reaction here against getting in a fistfight, to me, highlights the value of getting in a fistfight.
Everyone has been brainwashed with this endless "avoidance" strategy, everyone is afraid to get physical to stand up for themselves. People continually bring up (very rare and unlikely) worst case scenarios, giving themselves a terrible case of Paralysis by Analysis.
He's advocating getting into "a" fistfight, not a fistfight every day. Most men are going to have some situation at some point in their lives where they need to stand up for themselves physically and where it's perfectly appropriate to use your fists.
I came from a generation where fighting was much more common, and (although bad things can happen) it's extremely rare. You're much better off making sure that you buckle up every time you get in a car than worrying about every "what if" of a fistfight.
"How well can you truly know yourself if you've never been in a fight?" - Fight Club
Engineer3227 9y ago
Not to mention that in some lines of work starting a fist fight and having that on your record will mean getting black listed and being unable to ever work in that field again.
It's just plain dumb advice.
stillcole 9y ago
Respectfully, I think you are wrong. I have been in a few fights over the course of my life. Some times I've "won". Other times I have had my ass beat. Once I have even been beat unconscious after being jumped. Each time forces you to evaluate the state of your life, the situations you put yourself in and the way you treat your fellow man. If you have the benefit of not having been forced into a physical confrontation yet in your life, maybe your lucky. Still though, fighting back against an aggressor is a better remedy than not standing your ground, calling the police(in an even match), or internalizing inflicted abuse.
KettleMeetPot 9y ago
Well said, and goes hand in hand with what I initially responded with. I don't think just going out and getting drunk and getting into brawls in a good thing, but if you haven't at least been in a handful of fist fights by the time you're 18... you're not prepared for the shitstorm of life after 18.
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I remember the first time I was knocked out cold by six other men. How many modern men know what its like to be knocked out that way?
The women were all over me for months. Kissing me and fawning over my black eyes.
Stand up for yourself. You will only garner respect.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
Please explain how fighting someone (when absolutely not necessary to protect your life) is better than running calling the cops and suing them, sitting on your ass after a long day of work and collecting a check every month?
Believe me I would love to slam a dude's face into the concrete sometimes but it's just not worth the after math. Punch a punching bag or become an amateur boxer where there are no legal repercussions.
AFPJ 9y ago
A boy must pay his dues to become a man. People in the U.S. live monotonously numb, meaningless lives. Violence isn't an answer to anything and instigating it or fighting when you don't have to is dumb, but people's definition of "have to" is broken. There isn't a boy that has lived to see 30 without being sufficiently disrespected to warrant a fucking beating. When you roll over and take shit from enough people, you become a good obedient tax generator.
Once that happens your dreams, aspirations & creativity become as non-existent as your sense of self(respect).
Guntlips 9y ago
Its a hard reboot... I needed to get my ass beat when I got my ass beat. It was gigantic wake up call. Sure it was dangerous and stupid, but so is Surfing and drunken sex.
Engineer3227 9y ago
I don't agree with the whole starting a fight thing (if it's self defense fine) but your attitude about running away for the sole purpose of suing them just makes you sound like a pussy.
HighPiracy 9y ago
I don't think the CL OP meant go out and fight people whenever the situation arises, instead more of a stand your ground. If all you ever do is run from a fight and call the police in hopes of one day suing so you can be a societal leech then you're not much of a man. Also, if you've never tested yourself physically against someone and know how to defend yourself and others when you are forced to do so you will never stand chance.
aguy01 9y ago
I've seen dozens of fights that didn't end in charges. Might as well stop having sex for fear of rape charges.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
In NYC they all end in charges. Everyone has a camera cellphone and everyone is a witness.
Engineer3227 9y ago
Just the risk of charges is enough to avoid it depending on what career you have. When you work in a sector that will entirely black list you if you get criminal charges then it's not fucking worth it unless it's clear self defense.
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Iupvoteforknowledge 9y ago
Scared to fight...for anything.
vakerr 9y ago
It's absolutely necessary for a young man to engage in some kind of full contact sport. It doesn't have to be boxing or wrestling, hockey, football or water-polo do just fine.
But in today's litigious society getting into street brawls risks far more than a black eye.
RobertCarraway 9y ago
A man should not fear a financial black eye any more than a physical one. Fear them enough to engage sparingly, but sometimes they are unavoidable. Plus, high-school fights are different from manly brawls, and that should be recognized.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
A High School fight while seemingly simple can result in your parents paying thousands of dollars to the other kid's parents in damages.
RobertCarraway 9y ago
And excessive consideration of consequences like this can result in a life spent taking it in the ass from every two-bit bully. The possibility of paying thousands of dollars does not outweigh the consequences of consistently rationalizing your way out of self respect.
TheSliceman 9y ago
I think the idea is that you need to get in a fight to conquer our built in fear of getting our ass kicked.
Once that happens, you realize that while yes it did suck, you know it won't kill you.
KettleMeetPot 9y ago
There's a number of reasons why that bit of advice is good. And it's open to perception, taking boxing or MMA and fighting in the ring is in essence a fist fight. I'm pretty sure the meaning, is so that you know what it's like to take a punch. Why? It resonates in a lot of his other bits of advice. While the softer gentler world would have you believe the whole "you don't hit people" routine, sometimes... there's no choice. Other times, you can be hit for no reason at all. Just ask the people who are victims to the knockout game.
You can dismiss it and argue it with "but guns" and "but knives"... not everyone carries a knife, or has a CWP, how do you protect yourself then? Just take it in the ass and hope for the best?
Guntlips 9y ago
This current generation of young men are the most sheltered and pussyfied there has ever been in human history. Some of my best friends now are guys I got into fights with in high school.
RobertCarraway 9y ago
Agreed. Very disappointed in the number of posters here who are so afraid of consequences that they can't acknowledge the value of a timely brawl.
KettleMeetPot 9y ago
What they fail to remember, back in the day ones ability to fight and defend themselves and their family garnered more respect than their /r/malefasionadvice abilities.
Relevant.
CunningStunt_1 9y ago
I believe the point of 4. is to encourage young men to be young men, and push themselves into uncomfortable situations.
AtticusWarhol 9y ago
I want you to punch me as hard as you can
MaxManus 9y ago
Find a good friend, get some boxing gloves and do it.
AtticusWarhol 9y ago
His name is Robert Paulson.
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TheWastedYearz 9y ago
Dont trust a man who has never been punched in the face...
brvheart 9y ago
Just so everyone knows... you can totally trust me!
johnyann 9y ago
The best way to avoid fights is to look like you can win a fight. AKA put your rage into the gym.
CORDOVA40 9y ago
Well this was written by an "older man," and most likely one who is used to guys fighting as a means to blow off steam wear scars like badges, not the current trend of knives being pulled as soon as a confrontation ensues.
MegaSuperCritic 9y ago
Pretty sure the first fight thing is more about knowing what you're capable of in the event of an unavoidable fight.
You wouldn't go to a club and pound 5 shots the first time you drink, either. You'd probably do it in a pressure free environment.
Know your limits, what you can do.
vengefully_yours 9y ago
There is something to be learned in a fight. Multiple fights will teach you more about yourself and about others than you can imagine, if you've never been in a fight. I had no choice, it was forced upon me but I learned to defend myself the hard way. I've been beaten so many times I can't remember all of them, but since I turned 16 I haven't lost a fight and I've had plenty in the next 30 years, none of which I started.
You can learn some martial art, but if you're never tested, never hit full force, and only see the same things over and over, the first time you can't avoid the fight and you get hit, your chance of winning or not getting beaten senseless is pretty small. Fighting within the rules and confines of a particular form doesn't prepare you for the things you've never seen before. You might think so, but without experience, chances are against an experienced opponent you're fucked.
If you've never been in a fight, you will either be cocky and arrogant without cause, or you'll be too afraid and unwilling to do damage, or even able to deal damage against someone who is intent on fucking you up. You won't have the mindset required to overcome the other person, and you'll either pussy out and open the door for more harassment, or get fucked up. I've known many of the arrogant without cause types, they talk big shit hoping to intimidate others, but some of us simply won't be intimidated.
There is a difference in knowing how to defend yourself, and going looking for a fight. The jarhead who wrote that knows something about that. Getting your ass kicked is something everyone should experience.
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cascadecombo 9y ago
Then you don't see the point in why he is saying that. Doing that gives you some kind of perspective that most people don't have. He wasn't talking about self defense, it's a way to see your current limits, even see just how frail human life is, and/or how quickly and easily something can be decided.
Simply because you find it to be terrible does not mean the next person can't/won't learn something from that. This is also not the same time period that the supposed "old man" is from, when fighting was common place and people would get into a scuffle and it would end with that. Nowadays fighting is so taboo that if someone is fighting then serious shit is probably going down (yes there are exceptions to this).
But back to your original point and your second point, it's also key to look at the first and last things he said. Advice is usually worthless, and geared more towards the benefit of people giving it. Also, with the time periods republicans and democrats go full shift in positions and how people view them. Old time republicans were like the democrats today and it has swapped around.
ghee99 9y ago
regarding your comment:
"with the time periods republicans and democrats go full shift in positions and how people view them. Old time republicans were like the democrats today and it has swapped around."
Actually, to my knowledge, the Republican party has never been about creating victims, and dividing people into groups (which seems to be the primary focus of the Democrat Party today).
The Democrat Party is all about "taking care of people" (even those who do not need it).
And any ideology that promotes victimhood (such as modern day feminsm) is embraced by the Democrat Party.
So, yes... I agree, positions within both parties tended to shift over time (on many issues) but the Republican Party has never been the circus side show of whiny, detached-from-reality victims and greedy takers that is the Democrat Party of today.
This is not to say that I dont have a problem with much of the Republican party (especially the establishment Republicans), but its nothing compared to the blue-pill mentality embracing Democrats of today.
Besides, the few times I ever hear a politician saying anything that makes sense, its inevitably someone who is a Libertarian, but who's run in the Republican Party (so for providing a home for those few politicians who actually make sense, I will give the Republicans props)
needmorefat 9y ago
Fights are either 1) near-random dice rolls, if they are serious fights where you're actually trying to harm each other or 2) a matter of aggression, posturing, and shoving in which both parties are doing a dominance display but it's implicitly understood that no one really wants to hurt each other 3) a cringe-inducing situation where the weaker person realizes they can't win and just kind of folds and cowers.
If you're a reasonably good person, the only "confidence boosting" type of fight is a type 2 fight in which the other person kind of backs down or someone breaks it up and the situation ends up going your way in the social dimension. That's probably the sort of fight which is creating this advice, and the degree to which it works will vary depending on social acceptance, as you said.
If you're a bad person, you might get a boost out of type 3 fights. Otherwise you'll feel vaguely bad about yourself.
And everyone should pray they never get into a type 1 fight with anyone. Just take a step back and think about how easy it is to destroy a body part, if you really wanted to. It will take less than a minute before one party succeeds in permanently damaging the other, if both are male. You might learn how frail people are, but you'll wish you hadn't had to learn that lesson.
Worst of all, if there's no social understanding of what sort of fight it is, you might think it's a Type 2 fight but then the other person just goes right ahead and snaps a collarbone or rips off an ear...
aguy01 9y ago
The thing is that those guys going for the 'cheap shots' like eye gouging and nut punching are rare in a society that is comfortable with people fighting. When men fight to defend their honor their goal is to physically dominate the person, but not hurt them, and society encourages a fair exchange to see the victor. In today's world of pussy betas that fear for their life we have people that do coward shit like pull a knife or gun or go for eyes or balls, because they are terrified for their life.
LuvBeer 9y ago
Agree. Getting into a street fight, win or lose, doesn't tell you much except for your performance in that particular fight. I don't think fights should be avoided at all costs, but going out looking for one to "prove yourself" can result in permanent disfigurement on one side and life long guilt on the other, over nothing.
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I think you may be missing the point why he's saying it's terrible advice. Getting in a fistfight isn't just "testing limits" anymore. As you said, getting in fights used to be common place (my dad and grandfather have a million stories about them), but now they're a situation that's extraordinarily likely to escalate to something else.
In the "old man's" day, guys generally stuck to certain rules when it came to fighting, to the point where most street fights were similar to boxing. No low blows, back off when your opponent was down, etc... It was generally about respect, ego, and settling differences. Not sticking to those rules was taboo since it could lead to an outcome which was the exact opposite of what those types of fights were meant for. There was usually a loss of respect if you kicked a man while he was down, or kicked him in the junk. Plus, breaking those rules could escalate conflicts, resulting in more people and/or weapons becoming involved.
But this is no longer the case. Fights are about causing the maximum amount of damage to your opponent, then claiming self defense to get out of any legal ramifications. In fights with few/no rules, severe injury and death aren't exactly uncommon, which is why getting in a fistfight nowadays is stupid.
If you really need to test your limits in this fashion, join a boxing/martial arts gym or get together with some friends and start a fight club.
Guntlips 9y ago
Lol watch gangs of new york... They sure faught dirty back then and that was in the early 1800s.
cascadecombo 9y ago
I covered this. Did you read everything I wrote, or simply decide to reply when you came upon something you didn't agree with?
asd1100 9y ago
It's actually great advice, you only feel safer without having aver fought, in fact you aren't. And having that experience as a adult is quite empowering. You don't have a irrational fear built upon projections that makes you back of in situations where you really do have to stand your ground and defend your interests.
This is the red pill, this is not seduction 2.0. A man needs to be able to fight, he should not be easily intimidated. Wishing your life was as easy as a woman's will not make it so.
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RobertCarraway 9y ago
very good advice. A man who goes through life afraid to take a beat-down for whatever cause he deems worthy (metaphorical beat-downs included) is not a man.
To be a man is to fight, in every sense of the word.
TRP is a god-send in many ways, but it undervalues sacrifice, suffering, and acceptance, which are all ingredients in the glory of manhood. It frankly pisses me off that your parent post was upvoted and your's was downvoted.
wiseclockcounter 9y ago
or you're a man if you're secure enough with yourself that you don't need people on the internet to tell you what it means to be a real man. If a man is willing to beat my ass over something that I deem truly "worthy" he's either an idiot and there's no pride in being beaten by him or I need to reevaluate whatever cause I support so strongly. Beliefs are abstract and remain forever, teeth can be removed permanently.
But I should disclaim, I simply don't agree with your framing. For example, I believe a worthy cause would be some guy messing with my children (I have none, so this is principle here). But taking a beat down doesn't exactly enter the equation, at that point it is about doing what's necessary to protect your family. And that's the thing, the safety of your family is something real. Some idea your ego has placed on a pedestal isn't real, at least not in the sense that is worth risking your life over.
I'd like to hear an example though of what you think would be worthy.
RobertCarraway 9y ago
Well that goes without saying. We talk about manhood here. You can respond in the above fashion to almost every post. You don't really expect me to soften my statement by saying "this is my opinion" do you?
I must not be communicating well, because I don't think my framing is understood. Here is what I said, with emphasis on what I feel you missed:
"A man who goes through life afraid to take a beat-down... is not a man"
I want you ignore the phrase "beat down." I'm not primarily talking about that at all. I'm talking about fear. It helps to get into scuffles in high school (those especially are rarely truly damaging) because you learn that taking a punch is not the worst thing in the world. I completely agree with /u/gymsyms.
Good luck differentiating between your real and unreal ideas. Piss your pants when a man challenges you and watch your wife's idea that you are a strong, capable man evaporate. Watch the sex life die. Then tell me that my ego's ideas aren't real.
This phrase here is exactly what I'm talking about. It's exactly the type of melodramatic thinking that getting in a few real scuffles helps to dispel. I know the difference between a life-and-death situation, and some asshole who needs to be stood up to. Do you?
wiseclockcounter 9y ago
ok, i can respect your stance, glad to clear it up.
thebeautifulstruggle 9y ago
This right here. You summarized it for me "TRP is a [good] in many ways, but it undervalues sacrifice, suffering, and acceptance, which are all ingredients in the glory of manhood", and in that way is simply some more of the childish whining that is already so prevalent in members of this society.
RobertCarraway 9y ago
Wait, I don't understand. You're saying that I'm whining?
thebeautifulstruggle 9y ago
No. I agree with what you said about TRP, that it ignores a lot of the nobler qualities and often degenerates into this whiny childishness.
RobertCarraway 9y ago
They understand the basic dynamics of masculinity/femininity, but they fail to see it from a society-wide perspective. The concept of correct manly attitude and behavior changes in subtle but important ways when you ask "what is good for society and me?", instead of simply "what is good for me?". We are such social creatures that the two are necessarily tied together. I like your username.
CriticalThink 9y ago
Few things in life will make you feel alive as a fistfight, even if you lose.
Rugnardl 9y ago
Dude I totally agree. Party participation is just declaring for your team and it does nothing but promote mob mentality. I didn't want to alter the original so I left it in. As for fighting, I would say that if you go your whole life without knowing if you can kick ass when you have to, you'll always live with some kind of doubt. Perhaps this rule is inflammatory on purpose to stir discussion about the natural aggression in male tendencies, and how we shouldn't suppress ourselves. Perhaps it's hinting that we should fight for sport, in a regulated environment. Or maybe it's suggesting that you do something foolish, crazy, scary or otherwise just to test your ability under stress. Regardless, it gives you something to think about.
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Street fights are complete shitshows. Whoever lands the first lucky punch "wins", and they are often fueled by rage. If you end up losing, the other guy might not let up. He might start slamming your head repeatedly into the concrete. He could pull out a weapon.
You could hit/push the other guy, he falls backward, hits the back of his head, and ends up brain damaged, or just dead. Good luck in court, or carrying that on your conscience.
Don't get into some stupid brawl. Do your best to defuse the situation, then walk away. Only fight if you 100% must.
And like watermelon said, do a combat sport.
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Yupp, I know a guy who is now in jail because he got into a fight and after swinging just one punch he life-flighted the dude. fighting is never worth it - you never know what will happen.
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OhThat_ThatsNothing 9y ago
A poster on reddit got in a fight with some dude after he stole his parking space outside the bar. Guy ends up falling back, cracking his neck on a table, dead. Redditor sentenced 5 years. Got his sentence tripled after he had to fight to save his own life in prison. 20 years...
KarmaEnthusiast 9y ago
This is why I wrestle as part of MMA. For starters, most people don't know how to wrestle. Secondly, any action I take is carefully weighed and highly technical, so I'm never going to do something unintentional. Thirdly you're already on the ground so it's far less likely somebody's going to get hurt from falling. Fourth since it's highly technical I can choose how I want to hurt the person.
A dislocated elbow, shoulder or kneecap is far better than beating hammerfists into the back of their head and possibly damaging their brainstem.
Just a tip for any guys out there interested. If a guy is shoving you both hands to the chest, move one hand up and one hand down with your hands. It'll cause them to lose balance so you can tackle them easily. Think of your hands like an eggbeater.
aww40 9y ago
This is great advice until you shoot a double, (which, btw, asphalt is not nearly as forgiving on your knees as a mat) take the guy down and then his buddies start stomping your face. I wrestled for six years and wrestling is only good for getting off of the ground should it happen in a street fight.
mercuryg 9y ago
I completely agree, but getting into a fight you know you'll lose isn't the answer, if you lose a fistfight how will you know you can kick ass? Learning martial arts and self defense will take care of that doubt, getting into a fight just for the sake of getting into a fight won't, especially if you know you'll lose.
Otherwise great post though.
2tardeddogz 9y ago
Well I bet you wrote some of this and either stole or paraphrased much of this from somewhere else. Sorry.... no way an "old man" beyond the ripe old age of 30 was involved in this writing.
freebytes 9y ago
Fighting with rules limits potential outcomes, but without rules, your physical prowess is even more questionable. Can you outfight a gun or knife? Can you outfight a gang of people? Because, those are the types of situations you may encounter. Grabbing hair, sucker punches, head butts, punching scrotum sacks, and weapons are just a few of the wonderful surprises waiting in store. Whoever strikes first usually wins because the other person is honestly not expecting it most of the time. There is no need for macho garbage. While it is good to know some self defense, it is best to never use it and those with the most experience and intelligence often avoid conflict.
Guntlips 9y ago
You can also get in your brand new BMW and get T-boned by a drunken japanese broad. Life is unpredictable.
CDBaller 9y ago
If you were paying attention, you could have seen the drunken Japanese broad before she hit you. Knowing it is definitely useful, but more as a deterrent than as a weapon.
94redstealth 9y ago
I think the statement is meant more to show you why you shouldn't fight. it hurts and it's hard. when you are young I highly recommend a good scuffle at least once. of you have never had to defend and counter, you are missing a big chunk of 'being a man'
heist_of_saint_graft 9y ago
Yeah, I think it's fine advice for 10 year old boys sparring on the playground. Less so for men where the an adult man hitting the ground is going to do a lot of damage.
Iupvoteforknowledge 9y ago
How do you know yourself if you have never been in a fight? All these people saying join MMA gym...its not the same. I'm already doing that.
Chicago1871 9y ago
Real fights, are shorter and more random than any MMA sparring I've ever done. They're pretty lame and boring for the most part.
There's no honor in it.
I'm more embarrassed than proud of the fights I've had in my adulthood.
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This isn't a joke. This is life and death shit. This guy is giving a list of advice which includes (1) getting into a fight (2) losing the fucking fight.
I do like to be right (who doesn't?), but damn, it worries even more that some people think looking for an unsanctioned fight is a good idea. This is serious shit and it needs to be called out.
Rugnardl 9y ago
Man if you even read my comment you'll see I wasn't even disagreeing.
You're just trying really hard to assert yourself here.
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Nope. I'm trying to have a discussion.
And yes, I did read your comment.
I did not get that impression.
I don't know what the author originally intended for sure, since he isn't here and we can't talk to him, and there's no other real context, so I'm reading it at face value. I imagine other people read this at face value as well, and that is not a good thing, which is why I said what I said. It wasn't even completely directed at you.
As I said, I'm worried about people reading this and thinking, "Fuck yeah, let's get into a fight like a real man!"
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pl231 9y ago
the part about " if you don't know if you can fight, that means you can't fight" is huge. it's not something that some people can just magically do well. the only group of people I've ever seen do decently in fights that have no prior experience are people that wrestled in high school or college and I'm pretty sure everyone can understand why.
if someone is skilled to the point where with 99 % certainty they know they could win in a fight against some random, they're going to know it because that would mean they're at an incredibly high level.
Also a lot of street fighting is just who is willing to take more damage. 1 of the 2 people almost always will be ok with it going further than the other is and that person wins 10/10 times
desylid 9y ago
Not getting punched by some dude's friend who is to the side or behind you is tough as well. This is the problem with BJJ.
I strongly agree with you about not fighting.
It's pretty much a guarantee to not get pussy.
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copralalic 9y ago
Krav maga is the only defense type that claims to address multiple assailants, and they say, "Don't." They teach that by using one assailant's body to block the other assailant you can try to eliminate the first one quickly while the second is screened... but they still say you are probably going to get fucked up.
The best way to deal with multiple attackers is with a weapon.
esco_ 9y ago
Boxing has better answers for these 2v1 situations than traditional martial arts (including BJJ) for sure.
You do NOT want a street fight to hit the ground. Here you are incredibly vulnerable to being booted in the head or stomped out by the guy's friends.
For a person who is untrained, boxing will be the best art to practice to defend yourself. The idea is not to fight, but if shit goes down you act decisively.
Boxing is better than kickboxing solely for the reason i mentioned earlier : Stay on your feet. kicks can be caught, and you can be tripped more easily.
I would never advocate a grappling martial art over boxing for a noob who wants to learn practical skills. BJJ has its place, but it involves hitting the ground. You do NOT want to be on the ground in a bar trying to choke someone out while their friends are there.
You DO want to be able to deliver a decisive knockout blow.
I'm a blackbelt in taekwondo and i would never suggest it as a useful self-defence mechanism (although it is great for kids in terms of mental fortitude and skills). I am a huge fan of martial arts, and frequent mixed martial arts forums. The general consensus even on BJJ-flavoured forums is that boxing is your most practical skill for someone who is untrained. Train grappling after you have learned how to dodge/deliver punches
raiseurT 9y ago
You're damn right, ground work is really only optimal in one on one unarmed fights. You can grapple with a guy and be in control and he can still grab a knife and stab you badly. And if it's more than one opponent when you're grappling with one guy the other can strike you, even if you're in control. Most people can't defend kicks, but in order to kick you need a good amount of room. Hard to get if the street fight takes place somewhere crowded like a subway or bar. You also can't evade multiple opponents while throwing a kick. The only way to win against multiple opponents is to stick and move. And what does boxing teach? If you're a trained boxer you can most likely throw punches to quickly neautralize an opponent while staying on your feet and evading other opponents. I wonder what karate kid fag dwn voted you.
KarmaEnthusiast 9y ago
The only way? Sorry but that's not the only way. If you're outnumbered then all notions of a 'fair fight' suddenly go out the window. If I know I can't avoid a fight and I'm outnumbered, the first things I'm going to go for are the eyes. If he starts swinging wildly while blind, good chance he hits a random person, his friend, the air, it's ok as long as it's not you.
For smaller opponents I would go for a high kick to the chest, neck or face or simply a straight punch. Bigger opponents I'm going groin or budha kick their knees.
raiseurT 9y ago
If he starts swinging wildly while blind, good chance he hits a random person, his friend, the air, it's ok as long as it's not you
Actually no, there's a really low chance of that happening. You watch too many movies
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From the sound of it you'll be doing nothing other than taking it up the ass from a bunch of AIDS infested thugs.
Chicago1871 9y ago
As someone who is about to be a a jujitsu blue belt and someone who has taken boxing seriously for the last two years and who really likes both sports.
Not not take anything away from boxing but Jujitsu was one really good answer that boxing does not vs multiple opponents and it's called osoto gari. Osoto gari the first guy, kick him in the head and then do the same thing to the next guy, repeat this act until people get the picture. It's dead fucking simple and most people have no balance at all, especially the big fat guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nESyIcul344
Trust me....I'm probably not gonna be the one hitting the ground if I fight an untrained guy. Also, it's better than breaking my hands on someone's teeth, the ground will always hit harder than you or I ever could.
And if somehow, a bigger stronger guy manages to surprise me and take me down onto my back...oh good thing I know how to hit a technical standup or a sitout without even thinking about it, thanks to all that drilling.
I actually prefer muay thai training for a noob over boxing, just solely for the clinchwork and elbows. Forget the kicks, the real money is in controlling the clinch, hitting elbows up close to the head and teaching people to punch the body.
Dokkobro 9y ago
This. Muay Thai is a healthy mix of both. For those who think kicking is practical catch a real live old school Philipino Muay Thai kick to the gut or knee and talk to me. Elbows can draw ALOT of blood and are very very useful as a follow up to punching in a brawl because let's be honest who does that? Wanna know why Alistair Overeem was feared? Cuz he can clear the entire ring and knee you in the face while raining haymakers. Muay Thai gets my vote in all aspects, a little Krav Maga and Sambo never hurt anyone though.
esco_ 9y ago
Sounds like you're talking more about judo techniques than jiu jitsu, correct me if im wrong though. I think judo and BJJ are also great.
CDBaller 9y ago
He's talking traditional Japanese Jujitsu. Judo is simply the throws from Japanese Jujitsu made into a sport. BJJ is simply all the ground techniques taken from Japanese Jujitsu and made into a sport.
The general philosophy you need to have when fighting is that you came for a FIGHT and you're ready to break bones in order to protect yourself and you're not gonna fuck around. Violence of action, immediately and without hesitation will usually cause hesitation in your casual drunk frat boy who's out to prove he's tough to his buddies.
The thing that I would say about O'soto Gari and Jujitsu in general is that it requires balance and timing on your part. You might be all kick-ass in a dojo going up against people who've studied it with you, but you need to have no hesitation in that moment of "hell under the upraised sword" as my teacher liked to say. It's generally harder to keep people alive and breathing than it is to hurt them badly.
desylid 9y ago
I wasn't denouncing BJJ in favor of other martial arts. I'm still a white belt, but I've spent many hours rolling (and I have a tournament win!)
I was agreeing with your comment and adding to it.
Unless I ended up tussling with a skilled wrestler on the street, I'm pretty confident, even with my shitty-white belt stand up, that I could pull guard and sweep someone untrained.
I have had to use BJJ twice on my own friends when they were outrageously drunk and trying to fight other friends (a standing guillotine and a rear-naked). But I wasn't worried about getting blindsided by someone else.
But yeah we agree.
Chicago1871 9y ago
Why would you ever pull guard on someone that's untrained?
Jeez, learn a foot sweep or two. ;)
This is why I like training with MMA people, vs pure jujitsu people. All it takes is one afternoon sparring with strikes to realize that pulling guard is such a shitty idea when hitting is involved. That's when I decided, that yeah...I needed to work on my takedowns more, cause even though I survived most of the time, that shit was no fun.
desylid 9y ago
Awesome man. One of my biggest regrets is not wrestling in high school. My takedowns suck.
MMA dudes are cool people though. I always felt welcome even when I at a new gym as white belt only white boy. I miss it man. This thread is giving me the itch to start training again.
CDBaller 9y ago
Same here. The feeling of slamming people into the ground is just so satisfying.
Judasace 9y ago
"get in a fight" is reasonable advice for anyone age 12 and under or involved in a combat sport. Otherwise all fighting is is a massive loss of frame.
If you're a grown ass man and getting in fights on the street, you're a fucking idiot.
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robertpaulsontitties 9y ago
Good point. #7 is correct but incomplete. It should really say something like "Don't do politics at all. Mass politics operates above a human scale and is beyond almost anyone's control at this point. Politics in our time largely consists of massive rival propaganda machines competing for public head space. For you, it is a complete waste of time. Like a lot of spectator activities it creates an illusion of accomplishment and power where none exists. But worst of all, it is fueled by and in turn nurtures self-destructive emotions and personality traits."
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sailorJery 9y ago
you want the government to not exist?
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sailorJery 9y ago
I think its interesting that the founding fathers shared that sentiment, but once they were in power, did the opposite. I think that speaks of to the attractiveness of an extremely hamstrung govt vs the utility of it.
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wakenbacons 9y ago
The State is the 1%'s favorite tool of control and oppression. It's friggin' streamlined for them, how do people not see this?
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Honestly, this should be part of the old man's advice. Everybody feeds off the public trough. Use whatever term you would like for the transfer of money
To the top 1%: Incredible tax breaks, favorable legislation for business, eminent domain land grabs at cheap prices, subsidy, draconian tariffs on foreign goods, etc
To the bottom 20%: Section 8 housing, food stamps, WIC, medicaid, medicare (in some instances), soup kitchens etc.
What is hilarious is that people are too stupid to recognize that they are getting fucked by both sides.
zephyrprime 9y ago
Without the state, the process would be even more streamlined because there would be nothing to oppose their power. Large corporations and extremely rich peoples would supplant and take on the powers of mini states themselves.
Mikesapien 9y ago
People who have money know how to get it and know even better how to keep it.
There will always be a "1%" who "exploit" society.
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All the Democrats in office are part of the 1% as well. they don't give a shit about you they only make public speeches pretending that they do.
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Wise_Kruppe 9y ago
It should have been, don't identify as either because both parties are dumb assholes.
cherrypoptart27 9y ago
It's sad that as a society, we as Americans have adopted this "victim mentality" wholeheartedly.
My great grandad was an "Eisenhower Republican" in that he believed in everyone just doing their part and creating great commerce. Building roads and the interstate system and things like that to facilitate commerce. He wasn't a whiny complaining asshole...in fact he came to this country from the old country by himself when he was 14 (knowing zero English), started his own business and when he died he left the family a lot of money. Anytime I start to feel sorry for myself I think about him and what a pussy I'd be compared to him if I continued to indulge myself. It's a shame what each party has degraded into.
cocaine_face 9y ago
Of course you should. You don't actually have to care what they think, but joining a political party officially is... shrewd in some cases.
randomchaos1 9y ago
Exactly, ideology is cancer in general.
FerrusMan 9y ago
Actually, they are far smarter than you think, it's us the public they think are dumb assholes, because we keep voting back in the same corrupt incumbents, whichever party it doesn't matter.
Don't identify with either party, because they have only their own power in their interests.
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john-b 9y ago
I prefer to call myself a classical liberal independent. Political parties are garbage and attaching yourself to one subjects you to the party's reputation. If someone in your party fucks up, you are guilty by just associating with such a lowlife. That's why being an independent in my opinion is the best course - your entire reputation is in your own hands and not attached to anybody else. This philosophy goes hand in hand with an RP lifestyle which is why I like RP so much.
A classical liberal is someone who values Freedom of the Individual above all else, as long as the individual does not interfer with the Life, Liberty or Property of another individual. This includes the individuals own life, which is of course his own property (the first thing one owns). This idea is the basis of the American Republic, and to much lesser degrees the rest of the western world.
You look around today and see a gigantic 5000ft wall of regulations, restrictions, rules, dictates, mandates, advisories, recommendations, tariffs, taxes on everything, licenses and much more.
The farther you go back in American history, the more you see a freer, mature people.
sailorJery 9y ago
I agree with your sentiment and applaud it as a fellow classical liberal, but the thing about American politics is that the greater your level of participation the greater level of influence you can have. By not being a member of a major party you lose the ability to choose candidates in the primaries for elections. This is especially pertinent at the level of local elections.
Nicklovinn 9y ago
I enjoy the idea of libertarian philosophy but I disagree with the implications of the near anarcho-capitalism that is usually attached to it. Too much free market has undesirable social implications like obesity related to food monopolies which that they can influence elections, this is only one example of many, including the design if our cities in unsustainable ways that do not cater to a fulfilling human experience are essentially concrete deserts.
sailorJery 9y ago
cities designed during the 20th century, absolutely are urban wastelands.
john-b 9y ago
Free Trade was practiced without government interference since the founding of the US to around 1930s/40s. This produced the greatest outpouring of research, invention, increase in standard of living & charitable activity the world has ever seen.
Nicklovinn 9y ago
But monopolies are the ideal situation for businesses, you have a monopoly on the market, essentially no competition
Snivellious 9y ago
This is a slightly petty point, but I think it's an important one. Free Trade has never been practiced in the United States outside the confines of too-hard-to-manage border regions.
We have seen increasing regulation, but since the days of the Interstate Commerce Act, we've seen a strong and regulation-intensive central government. True security-or-less free capitalism hasn't ever been practiced in the United States, nor in much of the Western world.
Nicklovinn 9y ago
but the US is arguable thee most free market orientated, I doubt that if you decreased the regulation even more it wont magically turn into a utopia
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franklinzunge 9y ago
Totally, after reading the Powertalk essays by Venkat, I see how often the government uses Hanlon's Dodge, based on Hanlon's Razor, never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. They are always "incompetent", when in reality it was an engineered outcome.
Its my understanding that the parties both serve the same masters and a lot of their conflicts is really a show to get the outcome the want, which for us is the worst of both worlds. They are set up as Heads I win, tails you lose scenarios for the public and you get to vote on how you get fucked.
Snivellious 9y ago
The entire Powertalk series reads like a primer on government. Perhaps most significant, a lot of the stupidity we see really is stupid - those people are put in front of us for a reason. We rage at the stupidity of officials and PR flacks, but don't think about where decisions are coming from.
There's a reason Lee Atwater was too smart to run for government.
asd1100 9y ago
It's more subtle than that, the progresion towards failure is originated in weak points(stupidity). Rulers only need to predict the failure, and let it fall in their desired direction.(which is not reall hard if you are in the system) You do not need to push a elefant, that would be stupid, you just lead it toward your desired butcher.
Not really they serve different masters, those masters just aren't actually adversarial, the conflict is just for show. They don't set up failures, they occur naturally in a bloated bureaucracy by mismanagement and neglect. So when reform is painfully necessary almost anything will be better than the status quo-
CDBaller 9y ago
I'd have to say that they both give a fuck...about their own bottom line.
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wiseclockcounter 9y ago
... i'm not sure how you came to believe what you've just typed. but it is entirely about money. like 100%. A politician is simply a face and a slogan to give the public masses the illusion of control when really we have none. The corporate/political complex has become a wretched cancer whose blood is money surging through needlessly existent channels by the millions and billions. This constant exchange is what keeps the creature running. And there are thousands of people behind the scenes all parlaying for plausible deniability and personal gain.
CDBaller 9y ago
Congressional Insider trading is a thing. Why do you think Washington wants to pick winners and losers in the markets? They hold the power and prestige and so won't get caught.
asd1100 9y ago
Do you think that if you'd pay all of the people in power a king's ransom so their whole dinasty would not have to worry about money, they would be honest?
Because I don't. Human indifference is not a consequence of self servitude, it's a consequence of evolution. We can not give a infinite amount of fucks. We instinctively can only honestly care about a couple of hundred people, which usually are the people we know and we meet.
Yes we can care about a "class" in a abstract fashion but we lack the ability to create universally good measures that has no externalities. But in the process of establishing a good intention more closer pragmatical interest take over. Being reelected, helping your former college profesor or the guy that financed your campaign corrupts the initial measure, that is before you enter the public debate and the oposition gets it's hands on it. So the final law is a shell of it's former self.
Not to say that the initial measure was applicable or effective in a absolute fashion, because as you can see with feminism(or libertarians if you will), ideologues and think tanks are exponentially more delusional and lack realism than politicians. They have absolutely no understanding of the negative side effects of their policies and do not care about the real world effects. And they are the ones that are promoted as "sane" "honest" or generators of "solutions".
And that is how the game is played. Think tanks pander to their base, politicians pander to think tanks, companies pander to politicians. There is no pure intention or pure self servitude that can be reduced to money or power
CDBaller 9y ago
You misunderstand. I'm not saying that politicians are slaves to money. I'm saying they're slaves to their own self-interest, which includes money, but also extends to power, prestige and women (or men and little boys, but this post isn't about the catholic church). On that point, everyone else, constituent or not, becomes ultimately expendable, at the end of the day.
I agree that there are some who enter the system with good intentions of making the world a better place for those they know, and that the system then spits them out, but I'm talking incumbents who sail through elections year after year and have learned to abuse their power with minimal risk of getting caught.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
asd1100 9y ago
it's not that they are expendable, they aren't even in the equation except the electoral one.
I did not say that, I said their intention is an abstract. We can discuss about how bad ebola is, and we would agree that it's bad, but when it comes to taking measures or even sacrificing our views would differ, in any case we would have a much more nuanced view than a african that lost a family member to ebola.
lemonparty 9y ago
Yeah, I ain't getting in any fistfights or voting Democrat if I can help it.
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sailorJery 9y ago
Yes, please don't vote. Politicians are very aware of who does and does not vote. By keeping the uninformed people from voting, (anyone who would listen to the do not vote it only contributes to corruption, tripe) it allows me to wield greater influence. By all means, don't vote and let me speak for you.
asd1100 9y ago
IF you think your speech means anything by all means, vote away. But it only brings you false comfort. You are living in the same system I am, and it is equally indifferent to both of our concerns.
sailorJery 9y ago
If voting didn't mean anything, no one would bother trying to control it. I'm trying to understand how one arrives at the position that being an informed and politically active citizen isn't in one's best interest.
asd1100 9y ago
Oh, voting means a lot, it's the equivalent of being anointed by the gods or being the heir to the throne, it gives faux legitimacy to rulers.
It's very important, it's just not a control measure for people against their rulers, it's a control device for rulers against their people.
can you understand that being a good husband, a good christian, a good soldier, a good worker could at times not be in your own best interest? It's basically the same thing, the process and effects are structurally similar, the value system you commit to is just different.
feelinglazy 9y ago
Someone will win, whether you vote or not.
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Someone will win, whether you vote or not.
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sailorJery 9y ago
lol unless you're Bobby Lee Swaggert living in the mountains by yourself growing and killing your own food, you are not self sustaining. You do owe loyalty to the country that you call home and that protects you and you it. This anarcho-Molyneux infused circle jerking is so incredibly unsophisticated, and without a basis in reality.
asd1100 9y ago
If you are capable of having a job, you are self sustaining wherever you go in the civilised world. Lterally the only barrier is your own comfort and language.
Why? Why be loyal if it's against your better interest? Why be loyal when that loyalty isn't reciprocated.
My assertions are actually only based in reality and modernity. I am not advocating living without plumming. I am advocating moving to a country where you don't have to pay for tap water for example.
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And what, not vote there, too?
I suspect you are one of the trolls telling (white) people not to vote, because minorities vote in DROVES. Just another tactic to get white people to commit societal suicide as the ghetto thugs take over every city in the USA.
The lack of loyalty is the problem with this country. A multicultural society is a failure. Countries with a strong sense of identity, heritage, and common sensibilities makes for a much stronger country than one where everyone is out for themselves, and has no sense of duty to their nation or country.
One of the responsibilities that grown men have is to vote for moral/ethical leadership every chance they can.
SupALupRT 9y ago
agree. look at ferguson they railed and wailed about this poor innocent black kid getting killed. The prosecutor clearly laid out why there was no indictment TONS OF LYING WITNESSES. Not even good ones, that would change their stories, or say "well I wasn't there but heard that happened.". When the physical evidence made what they are saying impossible. Every single one of these lying assholes should of been prosecuted.
feelinglazy 9y ago
But will they leave you alone?
asd1100 9y ago
Still not your concern. You need to adapt to what you can not control. Not fight it just to feel good about yourself. Whether in a prison or a dictatorship you make the best out of the circumstances.
thebeautifulstruggle 9y ago
Mostly yes, unless you're Osama Bin Laden.
LibertarianLibertine 9y ago
I agree. Voting just provides the cunts with legitimacy
sailorJery 9y ago
that doesn't make sense, unless everyone doesn't vote, which will never happen, you're just giving your voice to a smaller minority by not voting.
R4F1 9y ago
Who says you need to lend your voice to a candidate? Maybe I support a politician or leader who isn't running at all (i.e., Ron Paul)? Maybe I believe in a philosophy that doesn't even consider voting because it has other direct methods of influencing society (i.e., Agorism)?
If there's 2 people in an election, and I don't agree with either, not because I'm undecided but because I believe in someone or something totally different, why do we need to vote?
sailorJery 9y ago
by you not voting, you're letting my vote decide for you
R4F1 9y ago
Maybe I believe in Agorism, which is the practice of engaging in gray and black market activities thus rendering the state moot. If you support a candidate A, and he's against cannabis, and candidate B isn't really a proponent of cannabis either. Agorism would advise that we ignore them both and trade/partake in cannabis anyways. When enough people ignore a law, the law becomes ineffective and meaningless. Eventually that laws creases to exist.
sailorJery 9y ago
well the problem with that is the state is never moot, also that's not an effective way to change law. All forms of anarchism are ineffective in the face of organized opposition.
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workunit13 9y ago
4 and 7 are just plain stupid. Should read, "Dont be afraid to get into a fist fight if the situation calls for it, even if you might lose" and "Dont get involved in any politics, both wings are self-dealing crooks with no sense of honor or patriotism to their fellow citizens"
mithridates1 9y ago
He says "People who are attracted to you will stand in your path." The far harder lesson is: "People who you are attracted to will sometimes stand in your path." Don't ever forget to stand up for yourself.
Gerneral_Disdain 9y ago
stale old copy pasta really it just comes off as trite.
SeaRavenTX 9y ago
It's just advice and wisdom. It says more about a man to ignore the wise than to heed it's guidance.
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pissoutofmyass 9y ago
On 3, according to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs we can't effectively self actualize without ALL of our other needs being met first. Trying to will result in sub-par performance. To self-actualize essentially means to pursue our dreams. According to Maslow we need our basic needs and the love of others to effectively self actualize. It seems to stand counter to the idea of acquiring self-esteem and social standing via accomplishments.
Not that I espouse this point of view, because its defeatist, but it is a prominent part of psychology. And I will admit going it alone has been a big part of my life, and it is extremely mentally exhausting just to know that no one has your back.
emptyform 9y ago
I found this to be true in my case, attempting to self-actualize without getting some of my base needs met ended in chaos, until I took the time to build my life from the ground up.
randomchaos1 9y ago
I disagree with #7. Liberals lie even harder than republicans in my estimation. I say be a libertarian and oppose both parties.
Nice read overall.
chagad 9y ago
Doesnt #6 concern Liberals?
kawasutra 9y ago
At some point I started reading this in the voice of George Carlin.
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babybelly 9y ago
fuck you craigslist guy 97%, thanks 3%
thegman84 9y ago
It's obvious that it's Thanksgiving week and the youngsters are at home for this post to get upvoted....
I'd buy this post Negative Reddit Gold if such a thing existed.
Doctor_Mayhem 9y ago
Also as a former Marine, I can tell you that you should consider the military, maybe not so much the Corps. Sure, the military fucks you, but you get lube. And when you get that debt-free college degree, well there's the reach around.
Yes, because the feminist party is sooooo much a better option. I'll give this guy a pass because he sounds like a Boomer who did time in Vietnam.
YoMammaSoThin 9y ago
He bashes on feminists later. Why would you defend the GOP with a comparisson?
It's not up to you to give him a pass. He does not recommend any political party.
You seem to be a republican, which is OK as long as you respect this guy's post and do not act like you have something more important to say. If you want to positively link TRP with being a republican, write a post and wait for the votes.
cantbelieveiwasbuter 9y ago
As a former grunt, maybe not so much the army either. You might get lube but it's generic shitty lube that ant worth a fuck that just makes a mess of things and leave a nasty film thats a pain in the ass to get rid of.
Besides a college degree means shit these days and even with the VA it still ant exactly free
ghee99 9y ago
I agree with some of this, but not all.
As for "Don’t be a Republican." OK, sure, I am not one, but I am a Libertarian, and I dont expect the govt to take care of me (or anyone else who is of able body and mind).
Today's Democrat party is the ultimate in Blue-pill mentality. They strongly support all the feminist, PC nonsense to the hilt. Not to say, that real feminism is bad (the idea that women don't get fucked over is a good idea). But feminism, as it is in today's world, is about preferential treatment towards women, at the expense of their "oppressors" (i.e. men). And the Democrat Party is all about victim-creation, and the idea that everyone must be taken care of (even if they could provide for themselves easily enough, and even if they have to give up freedom to the government to be looked after).
In the Democrat-mentality, people can't decide whats best for themselves, they are not allowed to make their own choices, and the "educated-elite" decide what's best for the unenlightened masses. So, fuck that! As a Libertarian I say let people have all the freedom they want (at least up until it impinges upon another's freedom). Let people make their own choices (and yes, make their own mistakes too), and stop treating people as groups, who are little more than victims who "need to be protected".
Is the Republican Party much better? in many ways, no (at least not the establishment Republicans) but the Republicans are the only friends that Libertarians have, and MANY (but not all, of course) are Libertarian-minded, or sympathetic to Libertarians. Besides, the Republicans are the only party that calls "bullshit!" to much of the feminist/PC/victim speak coming from the Democrat party.
So, if this anonymous guy wants to shoehorn in his retarded anti-Republican opinion into his piece, I say "screw him!".
In saying such a thing he's proven himself to be both inconsistent and an idiot. As such, its hard to take anything else he says seriously (even those other things he does say that make sense).
galvanised_computer 9y ago
Screw the term feminism. Just go with egalitarian. Feminists hate the word egalitarian.
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williamwilliam2 9y ago
Beneath this 'advice' is a claim to stand-up for your self at the risk of getting into a fist fight. Also, knowing you are willing to be in a fist fight will you put you in a state of mind to prepare.
Who is more likely to go the gym, a pacifist, or a guy willing to stand-up for himself?
Settlethefuckdown 9y ago
Republicans and conservative people are literally the opposite of transgendered, SJW, welfare queens, feminist, professional victims.
fuck this guy, and fuck OP for sharing this garbage. goes against all TRUE RP mindset. How many Blue Pillers and Tumblr queens are conservatives? absolutely 0.
awfuljokes 9y ago
How about don't have sex unless you can deal with the consequences, mainly having a kid.
adamlikesprettygirls 9y ago
Great post, great advice (with the exception of the fist fight thing)
The homophobia and miscellaneous vitriol of some posters here is amusing. I read somewhere there is a huge crossover between our beloved TRP and various white supremacist subreddits... nothing is perfect, I suppose
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ForPr0nandStuff 9y ago
"Advice to young men from an old men"
Okay I reject all of your advice then?
thegman84 9y ago
It's obvious that it's Thanksgiving week and the youngsters are at home for this post to get upvoted....
I'd buy this post Negative Reddit Gold if such a thing existed.
IllimitableMan 9y ago
On point 4:
To be honest this whole shit show of disagreement about whether you should fight or not in the comments, at a glance just appears to be guys getting indignant over a piece of advice they considers to be "toxic."
This is how I took it: obviously don't go around getting into fights your whole life, but do not spend your whole life avoiding them either. You need to fight, you need to learn to fight, you have to know how to defend yourself and watching videos online won't do that for you. You actually have to get on a mat with people who can break your neck and practice that shit - the technique - the speed - the execution - instead of being some conflict averse pussy. You ever work in a shop with a bunch of bitches and no security guard?
Guess who everyone will look to if someone comes in AND GETS VIOLENT or TRIES TO STEAL SOME SHIT? They won't step in. THEY'LL CALL YOUR NAME, AS A MAN. If you're like "OH LET'S WAIT FOR THE POLICE" what fat lot of good are you? I honestly hate pacifists, they indirectly enable even more violence. Better to be righteously violent, to impose justice and defend civil liberty than be some "all violence is evil!" kinda faggot. To be honest I think this veneer of "I have higher morals than you, that's why I won't fight" is just bullshit used to hide the fact that people with this mentality are conflict averse pussies. They lack courage. There is no courage or gumption behind failing to control a situation, making a phone call and hoping some other man will come and fix your problems for you.
Knowing how to fight helps you to know yourself, when you have confidence in your ability to defend yourself and your entourage, you don't have to live life fearing that some goon may attack you and you will be powerless to do fuck all about it except bend over and take it.
Then when someone attacks you or your friends, rather than running like a bitch or hoping the police dont take 20 minutes to get there, you can take the fucker out.
This whole point is pertaining to "street smarts" and IMO you and the other commenters getting butthurt are totally missing the point of what old timer OP was trying to convey. Too much "VIOLENCE IS EVIL NOOOOOOOOOOOO THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" heard in school by you guys, I think.
Shades of grey motherfucker, shades of grey.
Society's views on violence is basically "masculinity is violent and evil, but when we need violence to protect us - it's great!" I call it "the masculinity in a box principle." "Violence is evil!!!!!" when it doesn't benefit society, but as soon as you can protect a little girl, or a woman, or a little old lady? All of sudden the self-righteously pompous hamstering ass of a society we have decides that such violence is acceptable. I mean shit if you wanna go all the way with the non-violence principle why bother even having police or a military who use weapons? They should just go around trying to "reason" with everybody right? No. That's not how human nature works. You all have to realise that. Realise when violence is necessary and use it instrumentally. If you are forced to fight you always go down swinging, don't make it easy on him.
Sometimes just a willingness to fight can prevent a fight. The west is so full of men afraid to give into their instincts and defend their property/friends that often a guy looking to just steal some shit will think you're not worth the hassle if you show a willingness to defend yourself and will instead move on to a more vulnerable group to threaten. At which point you can just call the police and file a report, protect you and yours, using violence in defence doesn't mean you need to become superman and prevent crime before it happens.
Rugnardl 9y ago
A voice of reason, finally. And with the experience to back it up. Unfortunately buried. Thanks anyway.
robertpaulsontitties 9y ago
4 is too vague and really bad advice depending on how you want to read it. School yard sparing or taking up training in a combat sport or not looking/sounding like a soft target all sound perfectly reasonable. But ultimately anyone who is very keen on starting a street fight is a total wildcard, has a high level of aggression, and believes, correctly or not, that he has the upper hand. If that belief is entirely based on intimidation or self-delusion then it can certainly be gratifying to call their bluff. But there isn't a reliable way to discern people who will merely give you some bruising and scrapes from people who will stab you in the face or shatter your teeth. Steer clear of street fights and situations that lend themselves to street fights. Don't travel on foot through certain neighborhoods. We all want to be more badass but don't go through life thinking you're an action movie hero.
SupALupRT 9y ago
stopped reading at 7. Dems whole platform is victimhood. Interesting that hes a vet when most lean republican.
SeaRavenTX 9y ago
I think you should talk to more veterans. A lot of us are actually Independents by our cynical nature.
SupALupRT 9y ago
full disclosure Im in the midwest which is skewed more republican. I consider myself a independent. Republicans are just closer to my beliefs than dems. It appears their beliefs would line up more than dems with military folk as well but I could be wrong.
Pippimack 9y ago
Where did you find this stuff? It's great.
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ionlyuseredditatwork 9y ago
A baby boomer might have the view of an "internet troll" being someone who spends most, if not all of their time in their basement perusing the internet for every piece of consumable information out there, not unlike a troll living under a bridge, rarely seeing daylight.
Our younger generation has equated the term "internet troll" to someone who specifically goes out of their way to rile up the emotions of other internet users, when really the meanings are one in the same. It's all about perspective.
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TheJohnDough 9y ago
Hmm, so why should I listen to anything you have to tell me?
kinkydiver 9y ago
This particular advice already contains the answer to your question: consider it, but also be critical about it, including be wary about who would benefit from it.
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RedPillWatchTower 9y ago
This whole thread is adolescent garbage. Play nicer, gents.
TheJohnDough 9y ago
I have noticed jokes and people who are offended easily do not mix very well.
RedPillWatchTower 9y ago
Has nothing to do with nothing. I am about maintaining quality content of this sub. What degenerates into stupid bickering gets sniped from the WatchTower.
TheJohnDough 9y ago
Hail based watchtower Thank you for ridding the sub of shitposts and maintaining quality.
RedPillWatchTower 9y ago
I'll take your reply as genuine and not sarcastic until you undoubtedly reveal otherwise.
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d3gu 9y ago
I love this; it's what I've been thinking for a while, but OP has phrased it better.
I do standup comedy and occasionally perform music, too. I can't count the amount of times I've been asked to perform for free, in return for 'exposure' or 'progression' or similar vague things.
I don't mind performing free for charity, or for my own personal enjoyment, or practise, or as a favour to a friend. But when the owner of the night pockets the cash & I come away with 'exposure' (to who? I didn't see any agents scouts there), well that's just not right.
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Conservatives are whiny and portray themselves as victims? Whiny victim-hood is the Left's domain.
galvanised_computer 9y ago
Look at Fox News facebook comments. I'm not saying the left is better, jut that both are fucked.
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I guess whoever comes across as whiny has to do with whether you agree with their views or not. Seems to me like the Left makes up problems to be outraged about (like oppression of trannies and voter suppression) so it looks like they are just whiny because their "problems" aren't even real problems. The stuff that the right complains about (like immigration and the public school system) are actual problems. They are outraged because the current situation is outrageous. If two chicks always complain about having a headache when their husbands try to have sex them, and then it turns out one of those chicks had a brain tumor, were they both frigid bitches? Of course not. One is a frigid bitch, the other had a brain tumor.
sailorJery 9y ago
Well, I mean listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, they have whining down to a science.
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zarus 9y ago
It's the domain of everyone who joins a large group to complain about x. looks around
through_a_ways 9y ago
There's a difference between complaining and claiming victimhood, and it's a fine line.
In any situation where people are trying to bring about change in a feminine way (by persuading a higher power, like government to push it through), victimhood will be claimed. Much like the a kid will complain to his mom that his sibling hit him.
Such examples include feminism, MRA (sorry, no matter how warranted that shit is, it still tries to bring about change through politics), most politics, etc.
TRP doesn't preach a political tune, just a truthful one. Feminists put a very conspicuous emphasis on policymaking, as do MRAs, but TRP doesn't, at all.
TRP simply exists as a self-improvement site, which, if ever applied to a large enough pool of men, will improve things in a masculine way that political change cannot.
TimmyBuffet 9y ago
Hey you shut your whore mouth right there
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lemonparty 9y ago
Except this is a place where we tell each other how to not be a victim. Leveraging victim status and group-identity politics is basically about half the DNC playbook.
ghee99 9y ago
agreed!
not to mention, the Democrat Party adores modern day feminism and its fight against the "oppressors" (i.e. men).
socrates2point0 9y ago
Men are supressed by the masses and everything is unfair stupid bluepiller fucking us over women need to learn they are the weak one THEY ARE THE WEAK ONE
Also, you should lift
Also, conform to my ideas about the world or you're just an idiot like the rest of em lot
Also, don't and do do everything but nothing and feminism is contradiction
Welcome to the red pill, be ready to be hated by everyone who hasn't been enlightened
ghee99 9y ago
lol, so true!
they call states that are run by the Democrat Party "Blue States"
But with all their whining, blaming of others, non-acceptance of any personal responsibility, embracing of victimhood, and how they think their happiness is someone else's responsibility,
we'd be better off just calling them "Blue Pill States"
GOATLin 9y ago
Do as he suggested and listen to conservative talk radio. It's ALL playing the victim.
ghee99 9y ago
"playing the victim"?
what?
generally speaking talk radio is just saying we do not want your help, we just want to be left alone, and we'll make it (or fail) on our own.
thats basically the opposite of being a victim, and its certainly the opposite of the other side, which spends all its time blaming others, and saying it needs more from others for it to be happy.
lemonparty 9y ago
Try listening to Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow sometime. Hell, even John Oliver, Stewart and Colbert are just whiny victim-pimping bitches who wrap their tantrums in sarcasm and tired humor.
ghee99 9y ago
yup!
and you forgot the ultimate whiny liberal, Lewis Black
GOATLin 9y ago
I don't think you know what playing the victim means when you throw in Oliver, Stewart, and Colbert in with Schultz and Maddow but ok. Pointing out things you don't agree with isn't playing the victim.
Playing the victim is declaring there is a war on Christmas cause a Muslim wants to put up holiday decorations in City Hall along with all the Christmas ones.
through_a_ways 9y ago
I don't think you've been watching Colbert and Stewart lately then, but ok.
GOATLin 9y ago
Not Colbert but Stewart. Examples please.
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Victims of what? The Left always complains about being the victim of "institutional racism" and "greedy corporations." What do talk-radio conservatives get all whiny about? Immigrants?
GOATLin 9y ago
Immigrants. War against Christmas. Non existent voter fraud. Affirmative action.
Not that there isn't a basis in fact for some of this but it's no doubt victim-y.
edit: forgot the war mainstream media is waging on conservatives. they complain about that constantly.
ghee99 9y ago
hey, they are not against "immigrants" (nice try though)
they are against ILLEGAL immigration, and there is nothing wrong with saying WE get to decide who comes into our country, and that just being able to sneak across a border doesnt mean YOU get to decide that you now have a "right" to be a citizen, even though you broke the law, are working here illegally, and you did not follow the rules to apply for citizen the correct way (like those who are legal immigrants do).
i will agree, some of them do whine about the "war of xmas".
voter fraud? maybe it happens, maybe not, but its hardly racist (as the leftists claim) to say you should show an ID to vote.
after all, you do already need to show an ID to open a bank account, apply for a job, file for unemployment, apply for welfare, Medicaid, food stamps, Social Security, to buy a home, apply for a mortgage, to rent a home, to drive a car, to buy a car, to rent a car, to get on an airplane, to get married, to check into a hotel, to buy a gun, to adopt a pet. to pick up a prescription, to donate blood, to enter a casino, to buy a video game that’s rated M, to see a movie rated NC-17. heck, you even need an ID to hold a rally or protest, against requiring a photo ID to vote.
but requiring an ID for any of those things is fine, but ask for an ID to show who you are when you vote and thats "racist"
lol
besides, who the fuck doesnt have an official ID of some sort? seriously? WTF?!??!!
Affirmative action? hey, nothing wrong with saying hire the best man or lady for the job, as opposed to youre only allowed to hire the best lady or minority for the job. no thanks! i'll choose to hire who i think will do the best job, regardless of divisive factors like what their skin color is, or whether its a cock or pussy that they have between their legs.
all they are saying is let people make their own choices in life (although i will agree that the 10-15% of Republicans who are the religious conservative can be busy-bodies at times). Still, most are live and let live, mind their own business types (which is the opposite of the know-better progressive Democrat Party types, who want to poke their nose into everyones wallet and life).
in other words, the democrat party is a perfect home for the victim minded, its everyone elses fault that i'm not happy, blue pill types out there.
for anyone who takes responsibility for their own life, happiness, success, i'm not saying you are necessarily Republican, but you sure as hell arent a Democrat!
GOATLin 9y ago
Lol mind your own business? I'm a pro poker player. Wanna guess who banned online poker without even debating it in congress? Anyways, I wasn't saying republican positions didn't have merit. Only that talk radio whines and plays the victim almost the whole time they're on air. This Mexican taking a job lol. This black guy might be voting twice and electing a socialist. This atheist wants to destroy Christmas cause he doesn't want his taxes to pay for a Ten Commandments statue.
ghee99 9y ago
oh, i will agree with you, the establishment Republicans are horrible, nearly as bad as the Democrat Party.
but at least many Republicans are Libertarians, and the Republican Party welcomes Libertarians into it (unlike the Democrat Party).
Still, the few times I hear a politician say something good, Its usually someone in the Republican Party.
and when I see someone saying something retarded, like defending protesters who burned down a store, or blaming everyone but themselves for their own problems, lack of success, well... that persons nearly always a progressive Democrat.
although i will also agree, the 10-15% of Republicans who identify as Religious Conservatives need to mind their own business (for example, i am polyamorous, but according to them, my healthy relationship with two women is "wrong" - but hey... its not like they can stop me, they just whine, and as i am not a baby, it could care less, i certainly dont act like a liberal and claim i'm a "victim". After all, someone else's whining doesn't stop me from living my life fully).
As for "This Mexican taking a job" thing, thats real. Well, to be specific, illegal alien, not mexican (just using your words). For example, when I was younger, i worked in construction (20 years ago) and a good carpenter could make about $20-25/hour (which would be about $40/hour in todays money). Now-a-days a top carpenter gets paid $15/hour (if he's lucky - and its 20 years later!) Why? because there are endless illegal aliens willing to work for much less. The same is true in the restaurant business (and meat packing, , maids/housekeepers, janitors, taxi drivers, hotel workers, fishermen, mechanics, gardening, etc, etc, etc) Entire industries have had their wages SLASHED, are are essentially american-free workplaces.
These are generally not glamourous professions, but they were decent paying jobs held by many Americans (Americans who were able to have the dignity of making a living by doing them).
Granted, its not an issue that personally affects me. I currently work in an industry that has not been overrun will illegal alien labor (i work in the Film/TV industry) So I make good money, and my job is safe from that sort of thing. But its the poorest americans who are hurt by this sort of thing (especially Black Americans, and those without college degrees). I mean, you allow 30 million illegal aliens to stay here, and with most of them working, do you really thing that doesnt fuck over Americans who would be working in those industries (but are now working for a fraction of what they used to make, or are unemployed)? You can blame the "evil companies" but businesses will always hire the a good worker is he is willing to work for much less. thats just reality.
and our politicians refusing to enforce our existing laws screws over actual poor americans in favor of those who snuck over here. So, if talk radio or whomever wants to say something, or do something to help, i dont say "oh he's whining" i say "more power to you".
(note: i am actually an immigrant who came to the US the legal way, so I know it can be done, and is done, the right way, by many people. no need to let anyone who sneaks across the border now say they have a "right" to be here. thats for us to say, not for someone who came here illegally to tell us.)
so, to wrap things up, i concur, neither party is ideal (to say the least) I'm just saying the Democrat party is SO BAD, that we need to stop them first. After we stop that train wreck (or perhaps simultaneously?), THEN we can work on cleaning up, and getting rid of the establishment elements in the currently-imperfect Republican Party)
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there are people who still believe in right or left
intrcept 9y ago
This reads like it was written by either a young man, an old gay man, or a young gay man,
QuiteFrenchlyToasted 9y ago
I'm confused. I read both blue and red subreddits, but it seems to me that this one is dedicated to being a farce of the red pill. Do you guys offer any support to your subscribers, or just a comedic avenue for anyone who stumbles upon this sub?
Rugnardl 9y ago
There are some old men who are well spoken, updated and knowledgable of younger culture. There are clearly evident truths within, however, no matter who wrote it.
ghee99 9y ago
Well, gay guys (not that there's anything wrong with being gay, of course) tend to almost always vote for the Democrat Party.
Straight men tend to vote for the Republican Party. (so do married women). Its just single women who are taught to think of themselves as "victims" that seek out the Democrat Party (because it says it wants to "take care" of them - because, you know, its not like an able-bodied, single woman can take care of herself, lol)
So, that "he" is gay (or perhaps a lady) is certainly a good possibility (based on his political rantings).
galvanised_computer 9y ago
That's pretty big reaching.
LastRevision 9y ago
Was it because he said "cock" and "hole"?
ThirdLegGuy 9y ago
I was reading it in this guy's voice, and that was awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7NgLArJidY
vakerr 9y ago
Also what's with #7? Is he recommending voting for the other party that's pushing cultural Marxism (feminism, mass immigration, homosexuality and affirmative action)?
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Politics are a waste of time. They don't help you improve yourself. Ignore the chatter and make yourself a better man.
vakerr 9y ago
No need to tell me. But the "wise adviser", he needs some advice himself.
Guntlips 9y ago
See thats the problem right there with our cultures current mentality. Just because you are against one thing doesn't mean you endorse the other. The GOP has always been known as the scared old man's party.
vakerr 9y ago
"Don't vote for either established party, they're both corrupt" would have been fine advice. But he didn't say that. He implicitly tried to steer. Fuck that sneaky BS.
galvanised_computer 9y ago
They are old and probably unaware of the cultural marxist bullshit that has been happening recently. From their perspective it's "actively damaging and counterproductive" conservatism or "slightly less damaging and counterproductive" libralism.
Guntlips 9y ago
A young republican is way more gross than a young dem. Not even close.
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Liberal arts idiot detected.
ghee99 9y ago
Well, at least a young Republican will not be on welfare, or taking someone else's money to support himself (that is MUCH more likely to be the case with a Young Democrat).
And a Young Republican won't be urging anyone else into "sensitivity training" or donating to the "Womyn's Studies Department" at the local college (so that they can spread their hateful, anti-male message).
And even though Republicans are more generous with their own money (as far as helping those out in need) he doesn't insist we use the power of govt to take someone else's money against their will to help the "needy" (as they define "needy" of course).
So, judging young Republicans and Young Democrats by their actions (not just some preconceived stereotype, or media-fuled bias), I'd have to say that a Young Democrat is WAY more gross!
feelinglazy 9y ago
Do you really believe in trickle down economics? It's a scam. The rich work to make themselves richer, even at the expense of others. You are either stupid or rich yourself and advocating something that serves you.
vakerr 9y ago
Trickle down is BS. But /u/ghee99 didn't talk about that. He described the core difference between an upstanding, responsible person, and whiny cunts and parasites demanding 'sensitivity' and handouts from others.
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ghee99 9y ago
huh? no, you are wrong. i'm just not a victim. i know i can make it with hard work, and i take control of my own destiny. if some rich guy gets rich, good for him, that doesnt take money out of my pocket, nor does it mean i wont succeed. whether i succeed is up to me. I dont blame others when i fail, or say i am not rich because some other guy make a bunch of money. and i definitely know that just giving people stuff that they could get on their own removes incentive in them. In fact, i have had to struggle not to give into the free-govt-give-a-ways where i live, not because i dont want a check for doing nothing (like many of my friends get) but because i know that taking money that i dont need (that was taken from the paychecks of hard working people) will just revert me back into being some kind of blue-pill victim-minded loser. Of course, if someone is truly incapable of taking care of themselves, then we should give them help, but the Democrats want to give stuff to anyone who wants it. fuck that, i take care of myself. and, if you want to end the loser blue-pill mentality that you live under, with your envy and blaming, i suggest you stop drinking the kool-aid that the Democrat party hands out to those who want to blame everyone but themselves for their lack of satisfaction in their lives. If you are not happy, here in America in 2014 (where you can do anything you want) then you better get off your can, and make it happen. because, you know what, if you have dreams bigger than a small weekly check, or some government housing, or meals bought with food stamps, heres a secret.... the government will never be the one to make it happen (no matter what the progressive Democrats tell you.)
feelinglazy 9y ago
Except sometimes when a rich man gets rich, it does take money out of your pocket. The guys at the top use their power to make sure people at the bottom stay their. Over time, it'll become impossible to get out of the slum, unless poor people unite together and take a stance.
The reason America is in such a deep shit because the guys at the top holding all the money is fucking it up for everyone else.
ghee99 9y ago
i'm sorry to hear that you feel like such a victim to rich people.
and yes... its true (and has always been true) that those with lots of money and lots of power have always misused their power at times.
and, i oppose those who mis-use their power.
but, in the USA today, no matter how poor you are, you can make it, be a success, and no one can stop you from being a success (except yourself).
if i want to work hard, and create something of value, or follow my dreams (whatever they may be) i can do that.
if i just sit back and think "the guys at the top holding all the money is fucking it up for everyone else" (as you do), then of course, i will just give up and be a failure.
of course, that is not how i think, which is why i am not resentful of other people's success.
in fact, i know that in most cases, if someone succeeds, they bring others with them for the ride. just look at steve jobs, or bill gates, they made billions, but look how many thousands and thousands of others made money, and achieved success as a result of what they did.
i know, personally, that I came to the US as a child immigrant, and i spent my later teenage years homeless, and living on the streets, or bouncing around from couch to couch. i never even got a high school diploma. eventually i took some classes at a local community college, got a two year degree (while working construction), transferred to one of the top universities in the US, where i studied alongside the wealthy and fancy types (while still working construction on my off days and week-ends). did i resent them? no, it wasnt their fault that their parents paid for everything. and when I was done, i got a job in the film/TV industry, i have an exciting career, and make more money than most.
if it werent for rich guys building movie studios, i would not have all the opportunities that i have.
Point being, no rich guy made me homeless as a teen (that was MY choice - i was a junkie).
and no rich guy stopped me from cleaning up, and then going to college.
no rich guy looked at me when i was doing construction work, and said "thats far enough, you can not rise any higher".
if you want to not be a loser, the first step is to realize that its up to you, and no government program will ever make your happy/successful, and no rich guy is there stopping you.
if you want it, you can go get, but its you who has to do it, not anyone else. no govt bureaucrat will ever care as much about you, your success as you will, and no govt bureaucrat will ever fight as hard for your success as you can, so stop thinking that people need the government to help them to make it. as long as you are willing to get off your ass, and actually take personal responsibility and make it happen, you can make it.
as such, i am fairly certain that once you stop blaming others, and stop thinking of yourself as a powerless victim, you will shed your blue-skin mentality, and awaken to the fact that its actually your failure-excusing-leftist blaming that really is what is keeping you from being happy or successful.
you have the same choice that Neo (and Alice) did. do you take the blame-others, blue pill? or do you take the its-up-to-me red pill?
the decision is yours.
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DownvotesCatposts 9y ago
Arguably the worst post I've sen on TRP in months.
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Yeah this post is dogshit. This sub has been getting a lot of these crap posts lately at an increasing rate
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Baylien2 9y ago
This could be side bar material
i_am_Kevin 9y ago
This is brilliant stuff, thanks
RedbullF1 9y ago
very intersting. commenting to save it for later.
cherubym 9y ago
This "advice list" is old as the internet and terrible.
tsotha 9y ago
Well, I can write this guy off as an idiot.
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That and OPs replies leave a sour taste in the mouth. The advice is littered with BP and politically motivated ideology. It's too flawed to be considered viable advice.
Rugnardl 9y ago
There's a lot else in this thread that leaves a sour taste. A whole lot of smugness and big heads. So many people are in this thread trying to put somebody down instead of looking at their own faults, and that's clear. They are just so full of themselves. If I were getting more downvotes I'd delete the post out of respect for the community, but I think much of what was posted holds true, the list and my comments, which is why I haven't. This is the last one. I hope we can look at this fucking list and not comment on the orientation or the age of the author, or the incompetence and unsavory aftertaste that I have left, but instead take it for the bit of advice that it does offer. The ideas on this list are challenging, like a lot of the red pill, and all I see is little boys pushing food around their plate instead of fucking eating it.
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thegman84 9y ago
It's obvious that it's Thanksgiving week and the youngsters are at home for this post to get upvoted....
I'd buy this post Negative Reddit Gold if such a thing existed.
miss_sogony 9y ago
Most of this is solid advice. 29 being pretty much TRP in a nutshell.
I got an email from a very good tech employer recently looking to hire a woman or someone of such and such race for diversifying their employee register.
I then went to a presentation on campus from a different employer. The woman giving it was both female and black, they clearly give her the job of going to universities because she's fucking useless as an engineer (and is even applying for chartership), could not answer ONE question on what work life was about. Maybe they get fined for not having a diverse enough employee spectrum.
I know I'll get sacked in an instant for bringing this up in the future.
Male privelege I tell ya.
JahRussian 9y ago
This advice is shit. Absolute shit, wrong, and depressing. Please, do not take it seriously
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Rugnardl 9y ago
I also vehemently agree that AWALT. My mom has been using me for her own ends for a long time, at least until I started seeing clearly. More than likely, nobody has your back but the rare friends you develop as you become a man, and even then they have their own responsibilities and they can't be depended on, to no fault of their own.
PowerLevelOver420 9y ago
AWALT but there's a clear exception when it comes to biological children. The majority of women can/will be able to love their children unconditionally, something that doesn't occur for them with regards to a sexual partner. This behaviour has roots in evolutionary biology, women will tend to stick with men who give them better chances to raise their children well (betabux) but desire the genetic quality their potential children with alphas could have. If you can accept this, then it only makes sense for women to have their offspring's best interests at hand as it can allow them to continue their genes on to another successive generation.
With regards to your case, I can't really comment since I don't know any details but there are obviously exceptions to the rule of thumb, AWALT is more like 95%WALT in my opinion.
thegman84 9y ago
It's obvious that it's Thanksgiving week and the youngsters are at home for this post to get upvoted....
I'd buy this post Negative Reddit Gold if such a thing existed.
Blaw40 9y ago
Terrible list, this old man wasn't wise.
knitro 9y ago
2 is lost on people who never leave the anger phase.
Also, 21 & 22 aren't contradictory - it's about having the correct expectations going into a situation.
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
4 can get you killed depending on the situation. Even as a kid. A lot of these youngsters light the block up with AK's particularly outside of the North Eastern U.S.
DaSaw 9y ago
I'm guessing you live in the North Eastern U.S.?
TekkomanKingz 9y ago
Yes, yeah you have your illegal gun holders up in NYC but they tend to only use heat in secluded areas where a quick getaway is possible. Texas and Florida I imagine they can blast you dead and argue it was self-defense.
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700b 9y ago
I liked #25. It's really true. People's spite is a passive subconscious thing.
ColDax 9y ago
This wasn't written by an "old man", not enough real insight.
New_Horiz0ns 9y ago
First point is to do with morals.
Please delete & dont post.
Rugnardl 9y ago
Not that I really care, but if a person forsakes morality, whether universal or personal, he will walk a very long, dark and lonely road until the day he fucking dies. Wherein do you find the strength to go on if all is evil and your efforts towards goodness are in vain? Where does your resolve spring from if not the honorable heart? Where does an immoral man find his integrity? How can a man, the leader of people, defender of what is his, have the courage to face a world of strife if his soul is black and tainted? So again, not that I care, but morality should be first on the list, because if you can't keep your own shit straight first and foremost, how will you ever have power to affect the rest of the world?