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Nicolas0631

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There 2 aspect to any hobby:

- how much you enjoy doing it

- side effects: what it does provide on top: skills, knowledge, it effects on your brain and body.

The smart men do choose their to spend their time doing activities that provides them great joy and helps them toward their mission.

Examples:

Video game help with coordination, brain development and IQ, strategy, planning and social skill in some settings but mostly quite moderately.

Netflix help a bit with culture.

Dancing help a lot with coordination, getting in shape, be the king at parties and slaying pussies.

Reading fiction books help with spelling, culture and vocabulary.

Programming grows your brain and logicial thinking a lot and give you a mastering in a valuable carreer path with the prospect of high income but this isn't an activity that will help you with women.

If so many there advice against video games it isn't because video games are not entertaining or can't bring great joy. it is because the side effects of video games are detrimental to your body and the benefits for your brain are limited and finally that they are not popular with women.

I would say that programming as an hobby is strictly better than video games for what it does provide you. It grow you brain much more significantly, it help you getting money and have a nice career but like video games it is detrimental for getting pussy.

Dancing is the exact opposite, it help with girls & your body but isn't so great on money and brain.

Doing both look like a great combination.

Of course programming + dancing is just an example, but it would be hard, generally speaking for anybody to say that as hobbies it is better to play video games 20 hours a week rather than combining 10 hours of programming and 10 hours of dancing.

I don't say take this or avoid that, but I'd advise you to clearly think and plan on what you spend your time. Try to get balance and try to make it fit your objectives.

Review what are your objectives in life, what capacities and skills you want to acquire and and make that a big factor in how you choose to spend your time, in particular your hobbies.

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plasmapoot 4y ago

Dancing is actually very good for your brain. U work as a dance teacher and picked the skill up later in life. Ever since then my memory has shot through the roof due to memorizing choreography.

RedPill115 4y ago

Programming is terrible as a hobby for women. It doesn't build emotions that women view as successful so the emotional women stay away. It doesn't create status in a way women understand so narcissistic women stay away. It's ok as a career as it's status has gone up to "ok" though it has it's drawbacks there to. But as a hobby? No correlation to women it's a waste of time if you're not using it professionally.

Netflix is ok as long as it's only a mild hobby - inviting girls over to watch netflix works. You can't usually just say "come over let's fuck" directly to a girl she needs some plausible deniability. Obviously doing nothing but watching netflix by yourself is a bad idea via girls.

Dancing is sort of a mixed bag. Has advantages in that you actually meet girls in person, and that you interact with them physically. But...there's a reason why guys who are professional dancers are typically gay. It's a very female-dominated thing where girls go to practice getting flirty attention that doesn't actually go anywhere. Spending to much time dancing can be as bad as spending to much time watching netflix by yourself (from personal experience). Still, dancing can work in 2 ways:
1. You meet girls at dancing then pull them to somewhere non-dancing
2. You meet girls elsewhere and invite them dancing once or twice before going back to your place

But I spent years and years doing dancing and dated 2 girls - one of whom somewhat pursued me, the other because I met her and almost immediately started hanging out with her outside of dancing.

When I had no idea what I was doing in dancing I didn't do well with girls. When I got proficient that's when I pulled a few girls. But, weirdly, when I got really good at dancing I went back to getting nowhere with girls. You get to embedded in the dance culture, it's very feminine (flirt for attention then disappear when things would actually go somewhere) as pattern you don't necessarily want to let get to into your head to much. Still...it's useful if you maintain a healthy balance vs other things.

Metalcrazyx 4y ago

So is everything about women, eh?

Nicolas0631 4y ago

It seems to me you want your hobby to directly give you pussy instead of just helping on your mission, grows as an individual and then getty pussy.

Thing is directly doing your hobby, even a social one, more often than not, you'll not see that many new people every year and with the idea of not shitting were you eat, you may not want to go after pussy directly there.

If you want to get girls, you have to go after them directly. It is an activity in itself.

I don't say neither you have to do programming or dancing. Was just example, you have to find what is the best for you. But clearly dancing allows you to be comfortable with girls when going to a club and to impress her on top of getting fit/healthy. And yep I know a few dude who dance well (amateur competition lvl in salsa, got them 3 years to achieve that) and that use that to go to social events all the time that make them shine and allow them to get pussy.

And programming I did it myself, it is terrible to directly find women, but it really nice to make your brain work and to prepare for a job in computer science later on. That's something you do as teenager/university and that help to become good at it and go ahead of other people in your computer science carreer. In US such jobs get you very fast to 100K+$ a year and 200-300K$ a year is achievable with a decent carreer in the field meaning it solve all the money related problems you could have.

Even if you go for a different carreer, almost all office jobs relies on a computer these day so having the skill to make them do what you want is quite valuable and help on having a upper hand. You can automate your daily job and do much more in any given day than your colleagues. You can make your own websites if you have a business or shop instead of paying dozen thousands of dollars for it, but yeah in that case I would not do it too much or for too long.

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Nicolas0631 4y ago

It is recognized that performing well as some popular video games are clearly linked with IQ. For team playing one against another for example, winning may means you have low reaction time (high correlation with IQ), good tactics & strategy (high correlation with IQ) and so on. They are so linked to it, that some expect think they could be part of IQ tests.

For some game there also a big social aspect, you need to bond with the right people, act at the team use everyone strength and componsate for their weakness. So they help with socializing, understanding psychology and group behavior.

People that want to excell as such games will improve their social skills, their coordination, their strategy. Of course this still isn't as good as many other activity that provide the same. Likely football offer as much but is better on other aspects.

Some games like chess are recognized to help with IQ like chess. In general anything that make you use your brain can help grows and improve it. More intelligent is hard to say, but at least more learned and experienced in some fields.

Some video game in moderation for kids is likely an asset to them in particular if you don't have anything better to offer them.

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Nicolas0631 4y ago

Yeah it is well known that IQ over a certains level is detrimental to social interraction because you just think differently that most of the population, meaning you don't understand them and they don't understand you so you don't have much common ground for enjoying each other.

But to go back to transfer of skills, it is said that often big progress are made due to transfer of skills actually.

It is very common to stagnate after a point going the traditional way and often people that go past that are the one that are able to relate to different unrelated experience/fields.

More experience and in various fields is what some call wisdom, this isn't really IQ, but it is still very valuable. This is something that is more common with old people because they seen moore things, but yourself experimenting more stuff can also help on that.

There likely a lot to learn by trying to master some video games, but likely too there no much reason to play video game for longer than what necessary to acquire that experience.

Likely, 1 year in your life playing some video game a few hours a week with the goal to master would be enough to get the most out of it.

And it isn't even to say that would be the best use of that time you could have.

Still you need to be well rounded to experience life fully, you need to experiment a lot and also learn from experiences of other. If you focus only on the most useful stuff, you'll miss lot of things to. You need to apply balance too.

farendsofcontrast 4y ago

Replace video games with any irl team sport and the benefits you mentioned are even better then. True growth is when mind and body are coordinated and pushed to the limit. Just growing your brain while you ruin your posture and physical condition is a pretty shitty outcome.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Agree that team sport are nice and if you are too dumb, you are a liability in such sports. But they don't max out IQ potential neither (and most video game don't neither).

TooManyThots 4y ago

Video games are for children.

hearse223 4y ago

I dunno it always seems like I'm out of the loop of whatever popular Netflix series is being discussed.

Then you get ostracized for being the only person who hasn't watched the new season, etc.

"Shh, we don't want to spoil it for Jim!" "Jim, you haven't watched it yet?"

Give me a fucking break with that shit, spoil it I don't even care.

Video games are trash and I encourage all my younger family members to avoid them like the plague.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Was mostly true of Game of Throne there but that was it. And even people would speak of it a few minutes a week so it isn't like you can't compete, there still lot of other subjects and opportunities.

And I am pretty sure that if you say you don't care people will just speak and so you can follow the borring conversation without being left out.

Huntbutt 4y ago

I'm shocked that you think programming as a hobby is detrimental to pussy. You are wrong. . Maybe it's because I don't seem like the type of guy who would be interested in such a career path, but honestly bro if you start coding hard as fuck and ignoring chicks (I'm using university for this example, anecdotal obviously) they find that hot as fuck. As long as you are driven are put your goal and ambition above women , they will find that hot.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Programmers (and engineers in general) are extremely logical. Women are not interrested and heavily under represented at uni and enterprises.

And maybe I am wrong but as a worker in the trade, I can say that programmers are no popular arround women overall. At best they are seen as beta bucks.

Metalcrazyx 4y ago

The more logical you are, the more human you are. The more emotional you are, the more subhuman you are. No better than a bonobo. Not fit for the master race. Engineers are the makers of civilization

Huntbutt 4y ago

That's a poor conclusion to come to. If you take what would be considered a masculine and attractive profession, if you grab a handful of those dudes, ANY dudes out of these potential categories(Even the fuckin army or police force) , most will be beta. That's because generally, most men are beta...in the entire world. But yeah, CS obviously has a lot of stereotypical nerdy betas that stand out.

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Nicolas0631 4y ago

The easiest cure to Beta Bucks and oneitis is abundance. A professional dancer is much more likely to have abundance than a programmer.

And yeah obviously most male only activities are going to be detrimental because there no female to fuck arround most of the time and there no way it help on abundance.

bourbonhipster 4y ago

When I was a gamer in my youth, console games wound up teaching some unexpected life lessons and skills. Many games required a thorough amount of reading as voice acting was not viable given storage limits on cartridges. Many games rewarded inventory management and budgeting. I learned more about fundamental economics through games vs school. Games then were predominantly single player experiences. There were no social hooks or in game purchases to increase immersion and addiction. Like a good book, there was a beginning, a middle and an end.

Games are drastically different now. I would not let my children play today's games where I would allow and perhaps encourage supervised game time on legacy consoles (with select titles). There is an addiction component to games that exist today unlike their historic predecessors.

I think it should go without saying that hobbies that produce measurable, marketable results that promote personal growth are more worthy of ones time vs otherwise leisurely pursuits, even when those leisurely activities promote certain skill development. I don't really see what value there is to be gained by suggesting that learning a skill is a more worthy endeavor than watching TV. This should be an obvious truism.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

The point is more to use your leasure time for leasures that provide more that just spending a great time.

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

As someone who blew his mind open with psychedelics yesterday, videogames are good in moderation but honestly aint gonna do anything for your pussy potential.

some girls may wanna join in with gaming and that's great, just don't make it the only thing you do to unwind from reality.

remember most of us are recovering betas who hide away from the world with our fantasy make believe, invest in reality as it pays rewards than a meaningless story that will end in 10/100 hours

kantianluvboat 4y ago

You needed psychedelics for such a mundane and apparent observation? Ouch.

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

shut the fuck up and stop disrespecting someones observations you absolute fucking nause

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Quo210 4y ago

I'd call for everyone to reconsider their posture on videogames.

You can use them for making sweet money

Of course, can't monetize all games, only those online, with some form of currency or sellable accounts, with a large playerbase.

But money is money. Making about 2-10$/hour in my free time? Being paid for enjoying myself with some good relaxing music? That's hard to replace.

Most money makers in video games require some skill... but you can master that and become really good at it. Like I did. Being in the top 1% of a ladder and literally being paid for being so good that you can reach content 99% can't is a good feeling. There's always the risk of ban ofc, but no risk no reward.

Then that money can be invested in yourself to continue your personal growth.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

2-10$/hour isn't that great. A great job pay 3-20X more per worked hour and if chosen well can also be interresting.

Quo210 4y ago

Perhaps on America. Not all users are living in the US, and while over there 7,5$/h is minimum wage, it is rich folk salary in a lot of the world. 10$/hour for a video game in most of south america is an absurdly ludicrous number most people do not even believe to be possible.

I've heard of people pulling much higher numbers in WoW

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Is it still an hobby that you enjoy when you optimize for money ? And can you routinely do it enough for it to make a decent profit like a few thousands dollars a month ?

You can perfectly make 4-6K a month in bazil if you have a good job and I am quite sure it would come with social security, retirement and all. Meaning you need at least pulling 50$/hour, eight hours a day to make it work it as a job.

10$/hour, 1500$ a month without any social security, retirement etc isn't that great I think, even in brazil. $2/hour, $300 a month isn't nice at all, wherever the place you live.

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undeadxchi 4y ago

This.

I’ve seen several people who complain about games eating up time only to go spend more time on Facebook pretending its productive

The greatest thing about games is at least it’s entertaining. But like anything moderation is key.

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Cuts to the core. Smart phone use is easily my biggest vice

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

So is being a faggot and watching anime porn to get your rocks off.

Either way, living your life in fantasy land is not reality

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Agree completely. Also, as most people here should already know, if porn is an issue for you, even a minor issue, cut that shit out immediately from your life.

KagoKija 4y ago

I'm not sure in the modern age there is room for a flip phone or Nokia. Rather, it is managing how smart devices are used.

There are strategies to overcome smartphone misuse - greyscale mode, content restrictions etc. I am trying to limit my usage to a device of productivity: photos, navigation, books, scheduling, email and, of course, as a cellphone. Although I was never much of a social media user so it is not as difficult to unplug from all that stuff.

So far it is going well and I frequently delete apps I have decided are no longer helpful - my aim is to have just one page of apps.

Heizenbrg 4y ago

I agree, I tell myself all the shit I read on investing, productive stuff is worth reading but it just amounts to information overload, to the point where I’m just bookmarking stuff and that’s it.

WillemDabro 4y ago

Internet 2.0 is the problem, not the internet. It's a resource and a tool. Same can be said about any technology. You can use paint to make a portrait, or use it to paint a house for money. You can use a hammer to build a house or break out some windows.

Understanding how the internet works helps you become aware of how you are using it, or in the case of social media, how it is using you.

Forums and technical YouTube videos are a godsend. Memes and mindless consumption are cancer.

silent_dominant 4y ago

A better analogy would be: You can use paint to create, or you can sniff it to get high like a retard

We_Are_Legion 4y ago

There 2 aspect to any hobby:

- how much you enjoy doing it

- side effects: what it does provide on top: skills, knowledge, it effects on your brain and body.

Condensed wisdom. Absolutely nailed in 3 sentences a concept I've seen expressed much more poorly using entire posts.

AdeHMar 4y ago

Again with this bullshit? Jesus.

You don't understand that people don't want to be productive all day long?

I am a computer engineer, I have a great job, I swim, I go to the gym, did carpentry, know two languages and I'll start the third next month, danced swing and still know how to, have a great social group. I do all things productive, and I if I wanna spend one day all day in front of the screen, I will.

Dancing and programming are obviously superior to Netflix (which I don't understand how people call that a hobby), but you can't have your mind learning all the time.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

First some people can and do enjoy it. Some people do nothing of their days, some do lot of things of their days and it isn't necessarily the one that do the most that complain they can't do more or do too much.

And you yourself clearly separate video games from the other hobbies, clearly stating that you don't expect to learn anything from it. It says something in itself.

In the end, the thing is the world isn't fair and doesn't care of your problems and preferences.

Sure balance is necessary and I wouldn't say to you that you shall stop your unproductive hobbies entirely. This is more of a reflexion for people to see how they can use their time. If you think you already use it in the best way and have good balance, that's perfectly fine by me.

SwoleBenji 4y ago

You should only bother with video games as an adult if you plan to monetize it or are working towards monetizing it.

I made $60 / hour in 2004 selling World of Warcraft and Runescape gold. That's about the salary of a pharmacist.

Standgrounding 4y ago

Then it was the business.

Likewise, you could reinstall Windows and get 30$. And now every fool out there knows how to do it...

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Wabbajak 4y ago

You have to ask yourself whether or not your hobbies increase your SMV.

If you play video games on a professional level, are a succesful streamer and belong to the top 1% of pro-players, then playing video games is able to generate a high income. This naturally increases your SMV.

The problem appears when you choose to retreat to hobbies which a) don't require you to leave your room and b) don't prepare you for situations outside of your room.

The thing is bluepill guys choose these hobbies (gaming, DnD, anime, mangas etc.) because they are the easy way out. They are afraid to confront reality and choose to confront imaginary situations like whatever the DM says or defeating whatever villain there is to defeat in a video game. These hobbies tend to be used as a simulation for life. You can derive no profit, unless you somehow turn it into a source of income or by actually improving your real-life skills.

In the case of gaming, it might train your coordination, but it won't help you making any improvements in being more charismatic, being a good conversationalist, won't do anything for your physique, emotional strength, or frame.

In 99% of cases gaming is an excuse, not a hobby. If somehow gaming increases your SMV, then continue gaming.

cQwVADrTi5BJ 4y ago

What i'd like to add is that, relevant to your SMV, is to imagine a common situation: You make eye contact with a girl, go over to flirt, and sooner or later she may ask "What are your hobbies?". The answer will define you.

Imagine if you answer something like: "I like to DnD/Gaming/Netflix/Mangas". This will generate sahara between her legs. This means you are boring.

But if you answer something like "kickboxing/shooting/dirtbikes/cooking", it instantly makes you more attractive. Strong, dangerous, courageous, fun to be around.

I think stuff like DnD can, for example, improve your storytelling and AA. Just dont fucking mention it to any girl.

Even if she doesnt ask you directly, its better to say something like "last weekend when i was climbing mount whatever, ..." than "last week in our DnD session, I..."

And, you already know her hobbies. It usually a combination of "Netflix, going out with girls, traveling, reading books, Snowboarding".

Wabbajak 4y ago

Your post is on point.

Your list of women's hobbies is accurate. But what is it about the snowboarding girls? This must be a regional phenomenon, definitely not a thing where I live.

cQwVADrTi5BJ 4y ago

Snowboarding is regional. Replace it with some sporty activity they do twice per year, maybe just in their holidays. Snorkeling, surfing, hiking, billiard

sanitypanacea 4y ago

I play trading cards through hard times. I'm having a hard time. Spiritually I've grown so much this year from unplugging. The cards help and so does my bicycling. I'm now supervising in a clinical environment and theres a lot of new input. I'm on the autism spectrum and I struggle a lot because I cant get out of the office without something crazy going on and my phone ringing every hour and I need time. I yearn to see mountain trails and pedal where my soul can be sated. When I power over a hill I want to jump off the bike in joy... I would kill for some austerity. The cards distract me from wanting to hurt myself or do something stupid or relapse. I just hate these politics... coming to terms with the empty shell of my life can be hard and all I hear in my head is "cope"

chazthundergut 4y ago

I dont think dancing is a great hobby. Too feminine

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Exact activity doesn't really matter as long as that's something you enjoy and something that give you benefits. It is you that choose what you do, not me or whoever else.

The core idea is to leverage your rest/chill/hobby time to effortlessly improve yourself on top of enjoying yourself.

If dancing doesn't fit your criteria, choose something else !

treetrunkbranchstem 4y ago

Programming is a truly terrible hobby for status, life experience and quality of life. Do it professionally or not at all.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Tend to agree that for status and quality of life it only provide benefit if that help you as a pro. In that case, I can say to you that for status and quality of life, earning 100-300K$ a year do help for status and quality of life. You just have to stop it as a hobby when you made it your day job.

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Wabbajak 4y ago

What if it improves your CV? Having acquired proficiency in python and C++ through self-studies, because programming is your hobby, is a good sign. The same applies to learning languages as a hobby.

hammerhearth 4y ago

What if you truly love it as a passion? Programming can be art. Not everything is about money.

frykidse 4y ago

Programming is literally modern "magic". I type incantations into the spell book and cool shit happens. If you cannot make that cool, that's on you not programming.

Telling chicks hey check out this cool website I made and having her pull it up on her phone may not make the panties drop right there, yet my passion and intelligence is clearly communicated. DHV in the lingo if you must. Plus I've met some cool chicks that taught me shit once they see what I've made. Specifically I met a gal that was way better at CSS than me and helped fixed some responsive shit in really slick ways. I still build off her methods for fixing sticky top navs that stick after scroll.

I would definitely agree that addressing sitting all day is an issue. stand up & walk often or get a standing desk so you don't fuck up your hip flexors is hugely important.

Gravyness 4y ago

Perfectly put. Being driven and passionate is attractive, no matter what. Sure you could be fighting lions or killing dragons, but let's be realistic here.

Picture this mindset: I have fun programming but avoid it to go surfing in a wave because of how other people will think of me.

treetrunkbranchstem 4y ago

computer- so called ‘science’ - actually has a lot in common with magic

https://youtu.be/rdj6deraQ6k

clanleader 4y ago

Nonsense. I'm an entrepreneur and have written programs that have made me money from my own products. Not too complicated, but with good marketing you can live independently without working for "the man".

Why would you learn magic without creative thinking and ways to implement it for yourself? Because programming is magic. I've always seen working as a code monkey to be a waste of such magic.

AdeHMar 4y ago

He said "do it professionally or don't". If you are winning money off it, it's profesional.

treetrunkbranchstem 4y ago

True. I’d class this as professional but you couldn’t have gotten there without it being a hobby first. Reality is more subtle than what I said.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

He could perfectly, this can be studied at universities and then he could have done it professionnaly and never gone to the hobby part.

But if you like it a lot and did it as hobby, chance are you are better at it and get more money out of it.

Jowemaha 4y ago

Snapchat was started as a weekend project. Zuckerberg liked to build social networks. None of these guys thought they'd be billionaires, they were just messing around. Programming can be a phenomenal hobby because it so easily transitions into something that can make money.

disciplinedFreedom 4y ago

Haha, that is literally one in a million. Right time, right place, genius IQ for a handful of them. Low hanging fruit like facebook no longer exists in the industry. You are incredibly unlikely to make a billion dollar app. And now you are just a boring guy

Nicolas0631 4y ago

No but that's almost 100% certain to give you a high wage job, reliably and to allow to find a job almost anywhere in the world.

Kingern 4y ago

Low hanging fruit like facebook no longer exists in the industry

There wasn't even low hanging fruit in the industry when facebook was created. I can think of three large established competitor social networks I had accounts with off the top of my head, all of which were vastly superior products to facebook at the time other than ease of access for the IT-inept normie market facebook attracted, not one of which anyone cares about anymore.

Jowemaha 4y ago

Wow "all the good business opportunities are already taken" is such an unbelievably original take I've never heard it before. Good on you to be the first person to realize it. Where will you share your insight with the rest of the world?

disciplinedFreedom 4y ago

The point of your post was that you can make billions from a "hobby". This is incredibly unlikely is my point. Apps do not easily transition into money, especially now. 10-15 years ago, maybe. But a lot of the real estate is already taken up. Why are you so offended pussy?

Jowemaha 4y ago

Doesn't have to be billions to be worthwhile dumbass. But that it CAN be billions speaks to the lucrative nature of the hobby. Many tens of thousands of people have made great money from hobbyist programming. Most people though, like yourself have such a loser attitude that they never will.

DoYouBruh 4y ago

All you fucking idiots have black or white thinking. Even the OP.

You think skills, knowledge, and experience in any field won't translate or transfer into another skill or hobby? Jesus Christ, everything is interrelated. I think it's hilarious that OP said stop playing video games in one breath, but pick up programming in another... as if the two aren't interconnected... like many programmers didn't learn through gaming or because of gaming? Like WTF? Stupidest thing I've heard.

If gaming is driving your fuel for coding... why the fuck would you ever stop gaming? Wouldn't that then stop your coding? You would no longer feel like doing it... Just because Joe Blow OP said it's not valuable?

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Nicolas0631 4y ago

Any profession can be an hobby and any hobby can be a profession. It isn't about what you do but if you enjoy doing it (hobby) or if you make money from it (profession).

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kantianluvboat 4y ago

You rely on the mixed upper and lower case style to exaggerate your point because you aren't a strong enough communicator without a gimmick.

AshyLarry27 4y ago

haha or maybe Im just having fun with this topic as a whole because its been constantly brought up and debated for years here. I could care less what people are doing with their free time. I just love pulling in some popcorn to read the predictable rage-fueled exchanges from both sides.

spaceraverdk 4y ago

Developing parts for a Sim pit is a great way to develop your skill set and prepare for a great gaming session.

And doing 3d CAD just for the sake of it is also a great way to pass time..

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someonesopinion6969 4y ago

where do you start with learning this shit?

Nicolas0631 4y ago

A master degree in the field is likely your best option. Otherwise there quite a few online course online that can get you quite far.

kantianluvboat 4y ago

I'd start by writing less faggy shitposts and minding your own business for a while. Once that catches on, it's time to learn a programming engine for your platform of choice. Cuck.

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someonesopinion6969 4y ago

What i do with my free time isn't for you to judge.

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

I asked for help and you called me a cuck? what the fuck is wrong with the majority of this sub lol

RidiculouslyFarOut 4y ago

his comment there was shit but tbh if you can't figure out how to google and search reddit with "how to get started with programming" then you probably aren't cut out for it

i have seen probably hundreds of posts/comments explaining how to get started at this point, shit is everywhere.

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

Oh i know how to use google. it's a case of how you get started with bringing in finance. I'm a music producer so in reality, I'm interested in creating an app for the whole financial thing

RidiculouslyFarOut 4y ago

search google for

"how do i earn money from programming"

"how to get started with programming apps"

search google for "reddit programming" and "reddit programming apps"

click on all of the relevant subs, check side bars of all

I'm interested in creating an app for the whole financial thing

search google for

"reddit make money from programming"

tlrd, no you do not know how to google or you are not serious at all about learning this shit so how can you expect a random on reddit to put effort into trying to tell you

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

I love it when nerds try and school me on how to use google. man up ffs

Nicolas0631 4y ago

But he is right, the information is here. Just get yourself a master degree in computer science (better) and learn by yourself. It isn't like complicated.

There more demand for the skills than they are people skilled with it, so this is quite easy.

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RavelsBolero 4y ago

I recently started learning the guitar!

MrTrizzles 4y ago

A hobby should produce something interesting and tangible. Improved hand-eye coordination is neither.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Each to judge that. I guess could help a bit driving and for sports, but yes pretty minor. Still video game improve IQ and IQ is highly correlated with reaction time.

But yeah, however you slice it, video game while it may help a bit children if used wisely is likely not providing much interresting side effects for an adult, agree.

masterpiece00 4y ago

The programming meme, the market is over-saturated with this job because suddenly people are wanting to do it, in reality it's mind numbing and boring, confines you to the office, not really a great aspiration.

disciplinedFreedom 4y ago

Couldn't agree more with some points. Is the job market oversaturated? No. I made 6 figures my first job out of college. Is corporate programming (the jobs 90% of people have) mind numbing, boring, confines you to an office, makes you uninteresting because the work you do is so mundane and abstract that no one besides fellow programmers can understand your work, yes. This is not even to say that I completely hate programming in general. But corporate programming is a much different animal than the more "fun" and interesting projects you can do on your own and in school. I thought that this job would help with dating because I make a piss load of money for my age. But in reality, the job is insanely boring and Im surrounded by nerdy guys the majority of my time. If you are a normal guy who wants some satisfaction from his job, I would avoid programming. Become a nurse, cop, tradesman, hell, most other jobs that pay over 70k a year, instead.

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

people are fucking sheep etc

Nicolas0631 4y ago

It under saturated that's why it pay well and un-employment rate is so low and even people quite bad at it still manage to get some money out of it.

Jowemaha 4y ago

Oversaturated my ass. People are easily making six figures right out of college. Don't call something "mind numbing and boring" when you have never done it and don't know anything about it.

disciplinedFreedom 4y ago

Sounds like you either A. Lucked out in a high paying start up B. Have yet to work in the industry C. Are an actual nerd

Jowemaha 4y ago

Are you sore because you don't make six figures but the median starting salary of CS/CompE graduates at good schools is $90,000+ and 40-45% of them start out at $100,000+, and that motivated people even without such degrees can easily do the same? Share your insecurities with us, please.

disciplinedFreedom 4y ago

Lol, how about you read my original comment in the thread. Ill copy and paste for you, but go ahead and look for yourself: Couldn't agree more with some points. Is the job market oversaturated? No. I made 6 figures my first job out of college. Is corporate programming (the jobs 90% of people have) mind numbing, boring, confines you to an office, makes you uninteresting because the work you do is so mundane and abstract that no one besides fellow programmers can understand your work, yes. This is not even to say that I completely hate programming in general. But corporate programming is a much different animal than the more "fun" and interesting projects you can do on your own and in school. I thought that this job would help with dating because I make a piss load of money for my age. But in reality, the job is insanely boring and Im surrounded by nerdy guys the majority of my time. If you are a normal guy who wants some satisfaction from his job, I would avoid programming. Become a nurse, cop, tradesman, hell, most other jobs that pay over 70k a year, instead. My point is yes, you get paid a lot. No, there arent many other benefits besides pay and the job can have a much more negative influence on your life than other jobs that pay similar or slightly less. Unless you are a true nerd who actually likes this stuff, there are much better industries out there to work in

Nicolas0631 4y ago

As a Principal Engineer in the field if you find your job borring while you enjoyed it at school and personal projects is that you didn't find a good/interresting project to work on.

Like in every field there very different projects, team, companies and there no reason for you to stay in a borring job. Typically the most interresting jobs are even more well paid anyway.

Jowemaha 4y ago

Okay. What are some industries/jobs that pay comparably or slightly less and are much better for quality of life?

disciplinedFreedom 4y ago

I named a few. Tradesmen I know make more than a lot of programmers. Do they make that right away? No. Most plumbers/electricians/HVAC guys start out at like 30k a year. However, they dont go to college. Within 5-10 years they generally aquire enough licenses and experiences that they become foremen, specialize, or start their own businesses (which are much less competitive than starting software companies due to issues of scaling. Each town needs its own set of plumbers. One app can reach everyone on the planet). That is when they begin to make around the same as we do. And when there businesses take off, or they become specialized, or sit in the union long enough, they make more than we do. I have experience working in some of these trades (plumbing/construction). The work is better. I like physical work and not being chained to a desk. You get to see what you build immediately. The work environments are generally non political. No corporate PC bullshit you have to deal with. You generally work with a ton of red pill guys. When I worked in construction, every guy was red pilled. In tech, almost everyone is a blue pilled beta. Other options could be nursing. They make a similar salary. Great job security. Surrounded by attractive women. A much more social environment. Potentially more mentally stimulating (idk about this one). On your feet and moving around constantly. Less political environment. Can leave your work at work. Police officer/Military Officer: Start out lower pay, but generally good job security. Can be dangerous. Move around more. Pensions. Can be more interesting work. Better work colleagues (You deal with a lot of beta male/ feminist guys in the tech industry). These are just a few off the top of my head

saladon 4y ago

And if you really want a high paying career out of it, they might start considering shipping in H1bs to cut costs.

DownyGall 4y ago

Or outsource the coding overseas

etiQQue 4y ago

It is all in quantity, there is no problem of playing a video game for 1 hour per day, or watching one movie per day. If that is all what you do, you have a problem.

FinancialThanks1 4y ago

a movie a day is quite a significant amount of your waking hours js

Nicolas0631 4y ago

Sure but even that hour isn't that productive. If you could replace with something that would make you unwind and entertain the same but would provide more side benefits, that would be even better.

Not saying you should, but the point is about having a tool to improve your life, not to look for escuses to not change anything.

Diablo-D3 4y ago

I disagree on the 1 hour part, that's the weird thinking all of our mothers tried to bang into our heads, along with "just pause" (but its a multiplayer game, Mom!)

Its more like, do one achievable goal per run. Maybe this is a chapter or segment of a single player game, maybe it is a single speedrun attempt on a shorter 2-3 hour game, maybe play 10 rounds of Quake (no matter if you win or lose, or if the rounds are short or excessively long).

Do something that is meaningful to you. Video games are an art form and part of our collective culture, just as much as TV, movies, music, and reading are. An hour of video games isn't really a meaningful exercise, in most cases.

The rest of what you said, I do agree with, quality over quantity.

etiQQue 4y ago

You have to limit yourself somehow, the problem with having a fluent limit is that you can trick yourself in saying, "I'll just finish this one and then I am really over... " while you keep playing for another 2 hours...

In case of multiplayer games, yes, you should use rounds, in single player with option to save/pause I would stick to the time limit (might be 2 hours in your case).

Nicolas0631 4y ago

But if it require 5 hours to achieve that goal, likely you can't do it more than once per week or even month...

bakamoney 4y ago

I do close to a movie a day.

(No TV/YouTube other than this)

However it is a lot tbh. I could be less lazier.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

On a weekend maybe that's nice. On a work/study day that's too much I think to be ideal.

clanleader 4y ago

I personally have a video game addiction, and go through periods of the gym, developing myself, working on computer programs (currently studying AI) and socialising, and then other times spending months of sitting in my room, ordering takeaways, and doing nothing other than wasting thousands of hours, usually on some new sandbox type game.

I think a lot of game addicts like me try to justify this in any myriad of ways, like with a tonne of other blue pill traits. The reality is, there is no justification for this shitty hobby if you're playing it more than an hour a day as you say. It's a complete waste of time, life and causes all the good things you've built up to slowly decay.

Many gamers are "all or nothing" when it comes to gaming, hence why it's so dangerous and the "1 hour a day" thing isn't possible for many of us. Currently I haven't played a game for a while, uninstalled Steam completely, but I know like a drug addict it's always there calling me to go back to its fake, make-believe world. The matrix itself basically.

Like all addictions and blue pill habits, acknowledging the problem instead of trying to justify it somehow is the first step (I made all sorts of justification like "well I'm going to turn pro one day (think dota2)" or "this game has scientific/engineering elements (think factorio)" etc. All of those justification are complete nonsense and a complete waste of your life.

If like me you're a gamer at heart but can't play 1 hour a day, quite simply uninstall Steam and ignore any neurochemical reactions in your brain that are always tempting you to play it again. Like with all forms of blue pill conditioning, time can heal it and remove the impulse. The biggest motivator is when your entire 20's are suddenly gone in the blink of an eye and you realize the sooner you stop doing shit habits like this, the better.

Nicolas0631 4y ago

1H per day is about 3-4 years of your life. That's huge. All the studying to get a master degree going to school from 7 year old to 23 years old is about the same than that, about 2-3 years of your time. You work time over your career is about 8-10 years of your time on that hearth.

I do agree that other stull like getting ready for the day is taking about as much and that sleepling is taking 8 time more, but for this you don't really have choice.

If you do just spend 1H/day on getting pussy, including lifting and learning game and all you'll rock it in 1-2 years.

So yes why not 1H a day, as long as you can give as much to other more important activities in your life ;)

Heizenbrg 4y ago

The subreddit stopgaming is a good resource.
I’m going through the same and it’s hard when you use your pc for work too.
It’s crazy how these games are like hard drugs when you’re deep into it. When you come clean and stop for a bit nothing rivals the emotional response you get when you’re sucked in a virtual world.
This is going to fuck with a lot of newer generations that are glued to a screen. If you have a kid get him outdoors trust me, if my parents did the same I’d be in a better place

Count_Giggles 4y ago

have you considered nuking your accounts?

Create a temporary email address. e.g. 10minutemail
open a text document and smash your keyboard. südpoifrhjnasüoidjhad+as <- something like that
use the result as your new account password.
link the account to the temporary email.
after the email selfdestructs, there will be no way for you to restore your password.
make sure you deleted any evidence of the password form your machine.

and there you go. new chapter of your life

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TheFowo 4y ago

I'd much rather sell an account, not only will he get rid of the problem but also get some cash. The only problem is in games like Dota being free but that's a different story. The only solution right now would be moving to Iraq which got banned from steam, league of legends and many more

someonesopinion6969 4y ago

or piracy mate. it takes discipline, not some quick fix

Standgrounding 4y ago

I also was addicted to gaming(10 hrs of Minecraft a day), but I gradually - hour by hour - replaced it by other activities(gym reading getting a part time job and fixing my life in general).

I just grew bored of the games as well, so that contributes