This is the story of my friends uncle, as it was told to me by my friend.
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My friends uncle, age 52, was babysitting a female "friend's" female child. And, according to my friend, the kid had a habit of taking her clothes off and running around the house.
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Personally, I believe it. I, myself, have ran around the neighborhood in my birthday suit when I was 5 years old.
Kinda makes me wonder just how common kids doing this sort of thing really is.
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One day, the mother comes by to pick up the brat, and overhears my friends uncle say "put your clothes on, your mother is here".
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Naturally, the mother assumes the worst, and starts making up unproven scenarios in her head. The scenarios later get stated as fact to the police, and eventually my friends uncle is on trial.
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Shitty lawyer says "Plead guilty for a shorter sentence", and he does.
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8 years. It's only been 2 months, and the man is malnourished, both hands have been mutilated to the point where they no longer function, his torso has several gashes, etc.
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I told my friend exactly what I believed was happening, how the prison system & inmates "deal" with pedo's, that his fate was sealed as soon as he pleaded guilty, and to slowly come to terms with the idea that his uncle was going to die in prison.
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If it doesn't happen, wonderful.
But if it does, it's easier to slowly accept it than to get hit with the realization all at once when he gets the phone call.
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friendandadvisor 4y ago
I was hanging at my brother's house years ago-brother, his wife and daughter were there. IIRC, his daughter (my niece) was 8 years old, but, could have been younger. At any rate, I was sitting next to her on the couch watching TV, and brother and his wife were off somewhere in some other room, outside, who knows where. She said: "You know what I want?" I said "No". She said "I want you to take all of my clothes off of me".
You can naturally imagine, I was stunned, and freaking out a bit. Fortunately, I had the presence of mind to say "We'll have to ask your parents about that." She said "I don't think I want to do that. Nevermind."
Sheesh! Talk about some weird shit. I'm just glad that that kind of shit never came up again! Our mother was usually available to baby sit, so, I ended up pretty safe in dealings with her. But, the girl could have done any number of things that could have got me either pummelled to death by my brother, or thrown into prison.
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animalapemachine 5y ago
There's one element of that story that is sticking out to me. If the kid had a habit of taking her clothes off and running around which most kids do then the mother would be fully aware of that.
In fact the man and the mother may have witnessed the kid running around naked while they were together several times before the babysitting incident.
Some of you know how mothers are around their children , they're very protective and territorial, like a mama bear-- nothing more dangerous.
In my experience the mother would not allow the man to babysit unless she had a strong level of trust for him.
In short, the mother trusted the man. The mother knew the kid likes to get naked. The kid has gotten naked in front of both the man and the woman when they were together. And finally the mother would not be surprised that kid got naked while the man was babysitting.
This is all conjecture. I'm not saying the guy did anything he probably didn't. I agree that this could happen to any man. However I suspect there are a few details about the story that have been left out of the retelling.
one thing we don't know is if there were some form of civil litigation prior to or after the criminal trial. Did the mother stand to gain financially by the false accusation?
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
OP: not blaming your friend in any way, but for everyone else: do not babysit.
You have zero protection from the risk of these kinds of accusations, and the instant they are made you have no friends. Who wants to be friends with a pedo? Noone will believe your innocence because "that's what a pedo would say". Everyone will doubt you. Noone will stand with you or help you.
Even if you video the whole day, it may get thrown out as evidence on a technicality, and that's assuming you managed to get constant surveillance of you and the child. And what if the kid takes their clothes off? Now you're videoing child pornography. That won't help you.
The mother or the child itself can make accusations against you. PROOF IS NO LONGER REQUIRED.
Sadly as a man you have to decline babysitting.
Verne42 5y ago
This is heartbreaking. A couple years ago I was the tough, I-find-kiddos-obnoxious kind of guy. But then my cousin's reached 7, and boy is he curious about EVERYTHING and I just love explaining him about anything, just with simpler words. But the little fucker is smart and has insights and startegies and I love the little fucker's mind All the time I've spent with him has been with the supervision of family, and I take it like an opportunity to train parental skills in a controlled environment What this times bring is the physical (and consequent emotional) distance from children to men. And that's a good thing when it's about men outside the family, but I fear the day I can no longer be around him It's thanks to his mere presence that I know if a girl is trash or not, if she loves children or just pretends. Clown world, man. Clown world
Andgelyo 5y ago
I don’t know who in their right mind would baby sit a persons kids, especially a 50ish year old guy babysitting a young girl. That shit is asking for a disaster to happen.
WalterEArmstrong 5y ago
It's like Russian roulette with six rounds in the cylinder.
Jake_le_Dog 5y ago
And the question here really is, how do you go about knowing things like these?
Because the warning: "do not babysit" isn't something you may have ever read here on trp or any other redpill community for that matter.
The answer is negative visualization. Every scenario, every venture you want to take on, you want to visualize every outcome imaginable, however impossible it may seem.
Meditating on the possible outcomes of a situation sometimes provide such solutions like avoiding it altogether.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
It's not a negative visualisation, it is deduction from first principles based on what is observed.
1: Children lie, women lie
2: We live in a victim culture in which victims are encouraged and supported and their honesty unquestioned.
3: People, the world, the courts are heavily biased against men.
Jake_le_Dog 5y ago
Those observations are exactly what you base your analysis on.
I don't see why you think foreseeing the negative outcomes based on that knowledge isn't negative visualization.
It isn't always easy to recognize a potential threat without walking through the possible outcomes.
Edited: had to separate your quote from my answer
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
I have to agree with this. This is just common sense. Men CANNOT babysit kids now. It's dangerous.
In fact, stay away from children in general, especially if you are a single man.
I have been stared at by suspicious parents merely for being male, in my 30's and being at a zoo alone...apparently no normal man would ever want to just go to a zoo and look at the animals so he must be a pedo...
(NB this was 20 years ago in Australia at Taronga zoo...)
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Great zoo, been there plenty of times.
I know the feeling. I often drive to this spot on a lake not far from where I live. I go there just to read or meditate. There is a children's outdoor play area, often with a couple of families.
I've sometimes been having a quick smoke, standing in direction of the play area, and get 'those looks' from the parents. I've had a few times where I've thought 'are you fuck'n kidding me'?
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
Yep, I loved it even as an adult.
At first I didn't know what was going on. I was just walking around enjoying the sights and then I saw this guy with his kids kind of squinting at me from the corner of his eyes.
And then another. And then another. I've never had a reaction like that before in my life (I'm not a sleazy looking person and I was well dressed...) and then it hit me what was going on. I was horrified.
I've been back once since then....but not on a weekday, on the weekend. And all was fine. I did notice on the weekday there was a lot of schoolkids and teachers. On the weekend it was everyone.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Yeah, it's weird. Oh well, zero fucks given.
Reminds me I need to check out the zoo in this city. I used to live in Sydney. Taronga is great
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
I no longer live in Australia...these days I live in China.
But I do miss Taronga zoo (and the restaurant in the centre that had GREAT pasta) and the Botanical gardens. I wish I could just be there with a book on a sunny afternoon and just quietly read while enjoying the sunlight ad bird noises.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Sydney is great, but gets old. Did for me, anyway.
I've seen that city from far too many perspectives. Once you see all the depraved shit, and the rat race, it's hard to understand it.
I moved to Canberra. People rip on this city, but I think it's great. Much more space, cleaner, and the quality of girls here is surprisingly high.
My main goal is Melbourne, though. Love that city.
Botanical gardens is great, and Bondi was good for the few years I lived there.
That city would drag me into this horrible frame of mind after a while, though.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
I've actually been to Canberra several times and really liked it. It seems so spacious..lots of wide open views.
Last thing I did before I left Australia in 2002 was I went to the war museum in Canberra (my dad had been in the vietnam war.)
Been to melbourne too and liked it a lot. Sydey in some ways seems cut into little chunks by the enormously busy roads; Melbourne felt much freer, as if I could wander across the street at any time to check out a shop (And I did! This was back in the 70's though.)
I think from memory I went to the gardens in Melbourne too but my recollection is a bit rusty on this...
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Canberra is one of those cities you have to make work for you. It's easy to get stuck in an outer suburb and say it's too boring. If you make an effort, though to get in to Civic, there is great lunch spots, coffee, decently busy. The war memorial is always a must.
The views are amazing. I'm down south, so near the Brindabella Ranges. The skies here are breathtaking sometimes, so it's cool to be able to drive home and take it all in.
70's Melbourne. Sure that was an experience.
It's an interest SMP here, too. A lot of the guys who you'd consider 'top 10 to 1%' are all boring, bluepill politicians. Many are public serant, family oriented. Then most of the younger guys are inexperienced bloopers, or wanna-be gangsters. Makes it interesting being red pilled here.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
The dirtiest look i ever got was when my foreman and i took his kids to the park.
That group of single moms hated seeing us have fun
throwlaca 5y ago
> in my 30's and being at a zoo alone
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Dude you are a fucking weirdo.
WayTooCyber 5y ago
He should visit the congo jungle and see them in person. Why tf would he go to the zoo?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Fuck off. You are not wanted here.
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BluBlac59 5y ago
Don't date single mothers and don't babysit any single mothers kids (even relatives) for these are the people that use victim status for power. Its incredibly painful to watch a guy that you know is a great guy get mixed up with one of these nasty bitches. And you see blue pillers dropping their "friends" to please one of these unwanted pigs, hoping to get approval and maybe some second rate pussy from them.
fuze_me_69 5y ago
no good deed goes unpunished. if someone wants you to babysit their kid, tell them to fuck off. if you're going to do it for a family favor, wear a cheap 1mp cam and record the whole day. honestly same thing probably goes for dates these days
McVaghunter 5y ago
This entire thread in one sentence.
maxrp 5y ago
This. Even when single tinder momma hookup says "can you watch my kids I'ma pop out for a minute"
Imperator_Red 5y ago
If women are so paranoid about pedophiles watching their kids, why do they dump them off with babysitters/daycare and go to work all day? Oh yea, feminism. Another win for the most destructive ideology in human history.
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monsieurhire2 5y ago
Exactly. Also, they send them to school, into extracurricular activities, overnight camps that least weeks or months. But those are "professionally" run. And everyone does it. Whereas, if the babysitter molests the kid, well, you hired them, so you were neglectful for not doing enough screening.
pk3348 5y ago
For males: Don't babysit. just avoid the trouble. If you need money, do yardwork or odd jobs. AVOID RISKS AT ALL COSTS.
D3athN0te101 5y ago
I agree with everything, except for this.
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There is good risk & bad risk.
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Good risk is when the best potential outcome > the worst potential outcome.
For example, starting a lawn mowing business. Worst case scenario, business flops & you sell the mowers.
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Bad risk is when the worst potential outcome > the best potential outcome.
In this case, Pedo Accusations > Minimum Wage = Bad Risk.
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Another example of bad risk would be picking a fight with Mike Tyson.
Dead > 15 Minutes of Fame = Bad Risk.
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I understand the point you were trying to make, but I thought I should add this, if only to break the confirmation bias cycle of the paranoid/fearful few who frequent this side of the internet.
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To further stress the point above: Fear is good, but fear without reason is not.
SouloftheVoid 5y ago
Moral of the story: Don't EVER babysit if you are a man.
D3athN0te101 5y ago
I think we can all agree to that.
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Take this upvote, my good man.
RPSilverfox 5y ago
Another reason not to date single moms.
animalapemachine 5y ago
Exactly because these days women have a financial incentive to destroy men's lives
elgodo7 5y ago
why plead guilty if your innocent dumb man.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
A really unbelievably shitty lawyer
monsieurhire2 5y ago
The "evidence" could have been sufficient that in similar scenarios, people that tried to plead not guilty, and failed to win, were then sentenced to 20 plus years as a punishment for not just admitting guilt. It's called plea-bargaining, and it happens in a lot of cases, especially at the federal level, where the federal government has a 96% plus conviction rate, so a plea of not guilty against them is asking for trouble. The only way you plead not guilty is if you have a mountain of evidence in your favor, diligently gathered by private detectives and attorneys.
This sounds like a case of she said / he denies. So, also, given the public climate of hysteria about these things, nobody wants to disbelieve a child and their mother, so they are defaulted to be believed, even if they are full of shit. It happens all the time
So basically, the guy was in a no win situation, or perceived it that way, and chose what he thought was the lesser of two evils. It might have been better for him to flee the country or otherwise go on the lam, but perhaps he lacked the resources. Also, that would make him also look guilty, and nobody wants to help someone accused of his crime.
elgodo7 5y ago
Pedophiles rarely get 20 years and I'm sure there would be signs of entry on the child if he did rape. Anyway it's mainly reputation thing you can never say your innocent if you plead guilty.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
I'm not really up on the sentencing rates of any offender groups, but I did assume that if they pled 8 years, the other path would have been much worse, because 8 years, or any time in prison, for that matter, sucks.
It also varies by jurisdiction. I know that much. Some states are very lenient, and others, like the Southern Bible Belt states, can throw the book at you.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
I can see cases where pleading guilty makes sense even if you’re innocent, but not when the accusation involves raping a child.
elgodo7 5y ago
Yeah pleading guilty makes sense sometime but like you said raping a child is a no. Reputation is everything guard it with your life.
D3athN0te101 5y ago
That's my theory on why the lawyer gave my homies uncle bad advice.
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He'd be known as "The Lawyer Who Defended A Pedophile".
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Our reputations are heavily influenced by those we associate ourselves with.
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To defend him, even if provably false, would tarnish his reputation. And knowing that my homies uncle trusted him with his life, he leveraged that to his advantage.
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It's fucked up, but I understand why he did it.
friendandadvisor 4y ago
Hillary did it, and she's doing alright.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
I disagree. Unless someone is really famous, no one remembers who the attorney was.
I’m assuming your uncle was a nobody (in terms of name recognition). Name one other guy, accused of doing what your uncle is accused of, attorney. Blank? Thought so.
JayRock379 5y ago
Nobody pleads guilty at the risk of serving 8 years if they didn't commit the crime. People in my country get less time then that for murder. The uncle did that shit for sure. That or him and his lawyer both have Down's Syndrome.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
People plea to crimes they didn't commit all the time.
animalapemachine 5y ago
Plea bargaining is foundational to the US criminal justice system. Every day There are hundreds of plea bargains being processed in every County in every state in the country.
The system would collapse if every case went to trial. That is how the state makes its bones.
Any JD can confirm.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I didn't make any normative statement. I simply said that people plea guilty to crimes they didn't commit all the time, which is certainly true.
animalapemachine 5y ago
sir, i am in complete agreement with you.
JayRock379 5y ago
So you would be willing to do an 8 year bid for a crime you didn't commit when the accusing party have no physical evidence?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Did I say fucking say that? You're like that now infamous female reporter in the Jordan Peterson interview.
"So what you're saying is...."
JayRock379 5y ago
Touché, my bad. What did you mean?
animalapemachine 5y ago
Like one of the other commenters mentioned the state intimidated that man into accepting the plea bargain. So perhaps he was facing 12 to 20 years and his lawyer convinced them that 8 is a good deal. A lesser of two evils. but that man's life is completely fuct forever
JayRock379 5y ago
Not really a lesser of two evils. I would murder my bunkmate and kill myself immediately if I got 8 years, fuck that. Life isn't worth 8 years in jail. Specially if you go for messing with kids.
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empatheticapathetic 5y ago
How do you feel about false rape accusations.