Apology to UCD students as 'consent app' proposal sparks uproar. "It's clear that the developer of the app's primary concern is not the safety of women nor is it to ensure that all sexual encounters are consensual."
Would there also be a questionnaire to grant consent to particular sexual activities or does giving consent mean the dude can do whatever he wants? Just curious.
This app would immediately destroy the corrupt #metoo movement and remove the weaponized false rape accusation that women can use against men, so of course feminists are against it.
It would be funny to see it in action, but there are some caveats:
No woman would sign it. She would claim that you've ruined the mood. Thus preserving the pussy cartel's right to change their minds in the future.
Women (and therefore society) still believe they can revoke consent without saying or doing anything to make it obvious they want to stop. (such as saying "stop")
Men could have notarized documents and he'll still be ruined if a determined woman wants to ruin him with false accusations from before or just after the event.
Any time a consent agreement was challenged, the woman would claim duress, invalidating the contract.
HORROR: men are asking women to sign consent forms to protect themselves from rape allegations
i just don't even
it's like, consent should be clear, unambiguous, in writing, but only women should have control of it? lol.
it was created more to be able to demonize any guy on a normal date, create the "everything is rape" myth to counter the actual rape crisis of europe
so when it was co-opted they screamed out in horror... while still holding the warm printed hand outs that stated the exact same thing... sounds familiar
I feel like there’s a lurking threat behind this type of app that nobody’s mentioning.
If they do ever get off the ground in a non man-bites-dog sense, you’ll almost be forced into needing to have and use one every single time. Why?
The general public has gone completely off the rails and either can’t understand or is willing to abandon such concepts as ‘censoring people you disagree with is a net loss to the fabric of society’ and ‘innocent until proven guilty is pretty neat.’ What do you think the odds are that they’ll be okay with, ‘absence of evidence is not evidence of absence’? If people start taking these apps seriously, and you don’t have one, you will be an accused rapist eventually.
True. The only real answer here is that any claims of rape and sexual assault should automatically be assumed to be false without some sort of evidence to prove it happened, and getting some other bitches to lie with you on twitter doesn't count as evidence.
That sounds suspiciously constitutional. If only somebody would establish a country with legal protections like due process and a fair and speedy trial by jury and presumed innocence without proof.
"It indicates a culture of nonchalance around consent and women's safety. It's clear that the developer of the app's primary concern is not the safety of women nor is it to ensure that all sexual encounters are consensual. The primary concern is to protect men from accusations of rape," Ms Wilson said. Other students described the proposal as "toxic masculinity at its finest".
Classic postmodernism at its finest! The intention of the author is more important than what he says or does!
An app, dedicated to consent, which formalizes and memorializes consent so that there is ZERO misunderstanding or miscommunication between two parties is demonized because they guy who came up with it thought, "gosh this could protect men!"
And so the school gets their panties in a bunch - and without a hint of irony says, "wait a fucking second mate, you can't protect men with consent! ONLY WOMEN!"
Nevermind the fact that the net result of fewer accusations means fewer women who believe (wrongly or not) that they were raped. Meaning that women might take consent as seriously as men.
Of course, any way you slice it, formalized consent can only help both parties. (According to their perverse worldview- but that's a story for another day).
So, it betrays their real view. If it helps men as well as women, then it's not helping only women. Feminism seeks to increase power and choice for women only. The false rape card is a major play, and this would undermine such power.
Formalised consent can only ever help MEN (and hinder women), which is precisely why the feminists will never support something like this being released.
Imagine a woman going to the club for a "Girl's night out" (I wanna cheat on my boyfriend on my night out) and having to formalise her consent to getting railed in the club bathroom - meaning that there is no rape fallback if her beloved boyfriend ever finds out.
No way that's ever happening.
How is this different than, utilising text message to confirm consent, “still keen to get kinky tonight” followed by “your place or mine” seems like a better way to solve this problem
In Sweden they have made a law where you need to give written consent before having sex. If this is the case, will you always be convicted of rape if you have no written consent? This seem like a very dangerous path to go down.
My mind is so blown right now, how can someone say 'i'm against an app that establishes things are how they should be'? Their reasoning doesn't even logically add up:
It indicates a culture of nonchalance around consent and women's safety
Uhh, wouldn't it do exactly the opposite of that? If not, then they're saying RIGHT NOW there's a serious culture around consent and womens safety - which if true means this app wouldn't have been invented...
the point is that consent isn't supposed to be a real, objective thing. it's supposed to be weapon that women can use on a whim to harm men should they not fall in line.
When people say "enjoy the decline," that's a tacit acceptance that these issues will not get better. See above.
Every second you spend expressing moral outrage is a denial of the new world or a failure to accept that your anger is that you, personally, do not benefit from this Fall of Babylon.
We will not return to a time where the overall average partnership outcome receives a bulwark by social policing of sexual behavior.
The losers will lose more and the winners will win more.
Which do you want to be?
It will be a future without men as 90% of men take the only logical and pragmatic option and leave the plantation -avoiding all contact with the opposite sex.
I find myself paying attention solely to the self improvement aspects of this sub because I have too much to lose to risk interacting with women on this fucking cultural hellscape.
Man if i were in college among these weirdos i wouldnt be touching the females with a 10 foot pole. Id just wait or date outside the college. Not even worth it if its this bad.
The universities are still leading that insanity, its just at least understood better now, assuming that you're right leaning. It hasn't zombie attacked every single lefter yet so they can still be in the dark about it.
Take this recent Twitter gem:
We are in a war between those who choose to be human and those who choose to be white. In order to effectively stamp out fascism, we must take on all hierarchies at once. White supremacy cannot be disentangled from patriarchy and class oppression. Liberalism is not the answer.
Well some older lefty people whom I know simply don't have the tools to parse that. It sounds like a unique and powerful response to the NZ massacre but if you're around this shit enough then you know that its just average 9am Tuesday college drivel. None of my lefty old people will ever be able to comprehend the shitty "intersectional" ideology behind it.
Old lefties may be a bit in the dark about what is going on, but older conservatives are literally clueless. I've had these conversations with my dad.
Shrugs I'm sure everything will be fine.
They literally cannot comprehend the evil that we are up against. I basically told him it's time for his generation of worthless conservative to get the fuck out of the way because they have done nothing but lose.
I'd like to think that I'd be fine with a son telling me that he can do things much better than me along the lines of our shared values. That has never been a possibility for me. I think that you should feel blessed if he isn't bucking you too hard when you tell him to sit his ass down. There is a lot said about the short comings of millennias (which I almost am), but the largely unsaid thing of the baber boomers and elder generations now is that they think that they are still the front runners and they refuse to become the support staff for younger competent people. If he isn't trying to be a hard one and is tacitly admitting that he doesn't comprehend the current state of affairs then perhaps just ease off on bludgeoning his ego too hard. My father is a know-it-all fuck who couch surfs [potatoes] professionally. I've been living on and through four continents over the last 9.5 years and I have many stories. The largest one was living in Ukraine during the coup and war. I came home for the following Christmas with stories to tell but INSTEAD they ganged up on me (so angry that they were spitting) and taught me about CNN and MSNBC. They didn't give a rats ass about my PERSONAL experiences or even me for that matter. So I'm saying that if you have a father you would at least say "Jeeze son, that sounds kind of crazy over there, what was that all about? than you've had far more than I'll ever have.
I can't understand how you could possibly think a consent app is bad. It's so obvious lmao. I'm usually on the fence concerning the whole "false accusation epidemic" but this is just blatantly anti-men.
Reminds me of the feminist outcry against that make up removing app.
Her power is her looks and the app allowed men to diffuse that power with one quick look at a photo.
Despite feminism being outspoken against supposed pressure to conform to modern beauty standards, they too are against any loss of female power in the form of make up.
Not to mention them being vehemently opposed to PUA which is the male equivalent of presenting yourself as higher value than you are....just like make up does for women.
The longer I live, the more I see that this whole "equality" thing is a hoax. We aren't equal. Women need to be treated like children as except childbearing they're unable to beat man on any level.
I believe that in the past there were many implementations of the "equality hoax". Currently we're at the stage I'd call exactly as you described -- "blatant anti-men". This obviously means that they have no other option than to resort to pure lies.
Why this "emancipation hoax" is a goal? Consumerism, taxes, taking power away from men? Anything else?
Women need to be treated like children as except childbearing they're unable to beat man on any level.
So I'm not the only one who gets that? I mean, they deny it.. but when I ask them why we need separate leagues for not only tennis, but e-sports and chess... they usually, at that point, have no logical response.
well I think it is pretty easy to see why, bc if a women presses consent then the guy could just go ahead and do whatever he wants to her like she is a piece of meat? how long does this "consent" last? what if someone uses a knife or gun to force the woman to state she gives consent on the app, then rapes her?
I understand the intent of the app but the logistics simply don't work.
This isn't just a problem with sexual consent, but a problem with finite human awareness.
We have immense technological powers compared to yesteryear, but the Objective Clinical Truth of something, anything, can still be extremely hard to pin down.
Just look at the science behind something like Soy products or any myriad other scientific endeavour. It can take years and sometimes decades to come up with a Real Answer, and that is for things you can experiment, repeat and demonstrate - not transitory events between people that are basically unable to be replicated to any degree of certainty.
This is a HUGE area of weakness in Legal Enforcement of anything, and why you see people go down based on opinion, intent and the appearance of negligence or malice.
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Give you an example that will sound silly but ride with me for a sec.
I built a gaming community in 2018. This community was open to public and about 5% of the people who joined the community were deliberately toxic and disruptive, and maybe 1/10 of those people proactively tried to conceal their disruptive behavior.
Despite the slim statistics these very few people caused the Lions share of the community's problems. Hence: one bad apple spoils the barrel.
It's the same behavior you see little shits doing when they try to tear down an established alpha, leader or group - they perceive a net gain in power or at least Flex if they can succeed.
In the game world that I was God of there was a very robust logging database that I had access to that could show the actions of players down to a very fine grain.
When they opened a door. When they were logged in. What they said and when. Who they killed and when. Where they were in the world and when.
Extreme levels of detail that any Gestapo state would absolutely salivate over.
And you know what?
It was still not enough to establish Objective Truth in some scenarios. Sometimes the players just knew how to work the system.
Like that Dr. who transplanted a tube in his arm with someone else's blood in order to beat DNA tests in his rape changes - until he didn't.
Very very quickly as the authority figure of that community it became not about objective data points, but rather a Pattern of Disruption and the attitude with which they responded. If they appeared conciliatory and genuine to my judgment, they'd get a slap on the wrist. If they didn't, they were banned. No matter how they appeared, if it kept happening and they were involved, they were banned.
This was absolutely the ONLY way to maintain any kind of Order in the community, and I KNEW a non-zero number of the people I banned were either innocent or less guilty than they may have appeared.
Of course I collected as much evidence as physically possible, especially in high profile scenarios like banning entire groups of players who were conspiring together.
But it was not perfect, even in "My World" that I supposedly had Godlike power and Omniscience over.
It was literally better for my "State" to go full Commissar on a few bad apples that were PROBABLY guilty than to sit there and wait until I had hard evidence, because waiting for hard evidence gives THEM the initiative.
If you've ever run any community that is open to public scrutiny and access you know this. You cannot just wait around for Hard Evidence in every single situation or else the fuckshit saboteurs will tear you down because the idiot sheeple will believe them and blame you for being ineffective.
We have come very far as a species, but Truth is one of those things that tends only to be revealed in posterity, if it is lucky enough to be revealed at all.
You are right of course... but the point is that this proves that there IS NO WAY to prove consent. It exposes their true motivation, which is to give themselves complete power over men, including the power to retroactively decide that any sexual encounter was actually rape.
The bone-deep truth is that it's not a females consent that we should care about.
What we should care about is whether an accused criminal can be established to follow a pattern of Disruption to a high degree of confidence, high enough to warrant destroying his reputation, life, and possibly freedom when measured against the good of the whole. Her consent is so transitory it basically cannot speak to that.
By this logic though eyewitnesses should not be trusted in general, and of course they often aren't, but sometimes are. That's how limited we still are.
The person who circulated the email was an idiot. Wording the proposal like that in an effort to prove a point was obviously going to spark controversy.
That being said, the double speak is palpable. Notice how when they can't criticise the idea that would solve the consent issue that puts so much power in the hands of women, they criticise the intent. Women and femimised men don't like to solve problems, they like to complain about them for attention.
You know, I'd probably remove the word 'consent' altogether - yet another misleading word. This word is too rational and logical, for something that happens emotionally and compulsively.
It's either attractive encounters or unattractive ones.
Actually we ought to have a proper indemnity contract in place at this rate.
Would could if the app have various boxes you could choose for various sexual acts such as oral, regular, anal, hair pulling, etc. Then potentially have a voice recorder that confirms consent and takes a picture or video to confirm whether or not someone may or may not be drunk since I'm from CA.
Nice. This sort of news, like feminists shutting down sex robot brothels for example, give the lie to the feminist narrative and reveal the concealed power grab. These are the potential splinters in the minds of men stumbling on it: “Wait a minute. Why would there be an outcry over something designed to protect women from rape, as is sorely needed?”
The entire idea that the consent movement would protect women from rape was nonsense from the start. What’s the one group of people who don’t care about consent? Rapists.
Teaching men to get consent to stop rape would be like teaching shoppers to pay for their groceries to stop shoplifting.
Consent can’t protect a woman from being raped, it only prevents the man from being convicted of rape.
It's the same everywhere but they seem to lack any understanding of it
No, they understand the situation EXACTLY. The phrasing is dishonest, but the intent is well understood. The consent war is designed purely and solely to vilify men while absolving women of all responsibility.
20 years ago a woman had to say "no" to signify disinterest in sex.
Now she has to scream "yes" at the top of her lungs to signify interest in sex. Or in other words: she doesn't have to say no to signify disinterest.
Responsibility has shifted from the female to the male, and this is the fundamental intent.
Who gives a fuck judging by the article the app is useless theres no way this shit would be taken as evidence in court... yea if there was a way to directly prove consent without reasonable doubt then thats one thing to get mad about... But you could just point a gun to a womans head if youre a man and if ur a woman then just say he had one to your head in court. Or any infinite number of things pressuring u into doing it. Then this shyt is void. Also theres a million levels of consent. If a bitch chooses to give me consent with the app does that mean i can fuk her with my spiked bat? This is retarded app and until we live with full surveillance everywhere were gonna have to rely on testimony. Maybe its weak circumstantial evidence... but its basically useless in court. Lots of guys that like to get emotional here just like women
I don’t think the app was necessarily meant to be useful in practice so much as prove the exact point that it just proved: fraudulent rape accusations, like the act of rape itself, are about power.
I had a lengthy discussion on reddit and the best we could come up with is encrypted audio stored on phones ONLY with the encryption key held by the app developer only.
The key can be subpoenaed, allowing the courts access to the audio file.
their objections seems to be that this app isn't meant to protect women. they seem to be offended that any activity around rape could be directed at protecting men and not women. they literally say so.
This is fucking ridiculous. It seems more like women don't want this to be the norm because they don't want checks and balances in the clown world of hook up culture. Fuck him for fun, then ruin his life in front of everyone. Fuck these people.
This absolutely has to be cross posted to XX and ask feminists... really anywhere leftists lurk. I'd love to see their brains explode on this one. Their brains never actually do explode when confronted with their absurdities though, do they? The leftist is completely incapable of thinking for itself (yes - they are no longer human in my mind), or using any logic or reason.
The wording or the article definitely will miss the point that there are failrly large number of cases of false accusations.. But Consent apps do not work.
The apps wont work because consent can be revoked at anytime and its practically very difficult to revoke the consent on the app if the person is inebriated or physically challenged to operate the app at any time
There will always be that "race condition" where someone revokes consent but the other person continues for the act for another 2-3seconds which would be a violation
One has to very explicitly list out all the acts the person consents to which can be very difficult
Just trying to be legally correct here.. There are pigs in both genders and the danger still looms even with the consent apps , men always need to be extremely cautions especially if your SMV is high.
There is no doubt consent apps will be a blow to the metoo movement and partly the reason why people will hate to give it publicity.
kerrielou73 5y ago
Would there also be a questionnaire to grant consent to particular sexual activities or does giving consent mean the dude can do whatever he wants? Just curious.
SouloftheVoid 5y ago
This app would immediately destroy the corrupt #metoo movement and remove the weaponized false rape accusation that women can use against men, so of course feminists are against it.
Fortnite_FaceBlaster 5y ago
I wonder how we design use this consent app in such a way that it would be accepted by the courts as legally binding.
ideserveall 5y ago
Basically they demand women should continue having the option to call it rape afterwards.
maxrp 5y ago
how would they pump up the rape statistics to make 1/4 otherwise?
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
It would be funny to see it in action, but there are some caveats:
U_LWIAY_U_LOSE 5y ago
also
i just don't even
it's like, consent should be clear, unambiguous, in writing, but only women should have control of it? lol.
it was created more to be able to demonize any guy on a normal date, create the "everything is rape" myth to counter the actual rape crisis of europe
so when it was co-opted they screamed out in horror... while still holding the warm printed hand outs that stated the exact same thing... sounds familiar
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
There's a consent app already used in production worldwide, with a funny name... "timber" or something like this.
valenin 5y ago
I feel like there’s a lurking threat behind this type of app that nobody’s mentioning.
If they do ever get off the ground in a non man-bites-dog sense, you’ll almost be forced into needing to have and use one every single time. Why?
The general public has gone completely off the rails and either can’t understand or is willing to abandon such concepts as ‘censoring people you disagree with is a net loss to the fabric of society’ and ‘innocent until proven guilty is pretty neat.’ What do you think the odds are that they’ll be okay with, ‘absence of evidence is not evidence of absence’? If people start taking these apps seriously, and you don’t have one, you will be an accused rapist eventually.
ELI3k 5y ago
Never mind someone may not want their sexual encounters tracked by the Governtechcorp.
SouloftheVoid 5y ago
True. The only real answer here is that any claims of rape and sexual assault should automatically be assumed to be false without some sort of evidence to prove it happened, and getting some other bitches to lie with you on twitter doesn't count as evidence.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You mean like every other crime...?
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CainPrice 5y ago
That sounds suspiciously constitutional. If only somebody would establish a country with legal protections like due process and a fair and speedy trial by jury and presumed innocence without proof.
MrBougus2 5y ago
That's a great Idea! What would you call that country if you were to make it? Vespucciland?
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Fortnite_FaceBlaster 5y ago
You guys made great points.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Classic postmodernism at its finest! The intention of the author is more important than what he says or does!
An app, dedicated to consent, which formalizes and memorializes consent so that there is ZERO misunderstanding or miscommunication between two parties is demonized because they guy who came up with it thought, "gosh this could protect men!"
And so the school gets their panties in a bunch - and without a hint of irony says, "wait a fucking second mate, you can't protect men with consent! ONLY WOMEN!"
Nevermind the fact that the net result of fewer accusations means fewer women who believe (wrongly or not) that they were raped. Meaning that women might take consent as seriously as men.
Of course, any way you slice it, formalized consent can only help both parties. (According to their perverse worldview- but that's a story for another day).
So, it betrays their real view. If it helps men as well as women, then it's not helping only women. Feminism seeks to increase power and choice for women only. The false rape card is a major play, and this would undermine such power.
GirlsHateMtgplayers 5y ago
Formalised consent can only ever help MEN (and hinder women), which is precisely why the feminists will never support something like this being released.
Imagine a woman going to the club for a "Girl's night out" (I wanna cheat on my boyfriend on my night out) and having to formalise her consent to getting railed in the club bathroom - meaning that there is no rape fallback if her beloved boyfriend ever finds out.
No way that's ever happening.
valenin 5y ago
App: Takes consent so seriously it tries to maintain valid legal evidence of its presence.
Douchebag: ‘[The app] indicates a culture of nonchalance around consent...’
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Not a goal, obviously.
Fortnite_FaceBlaster 5y ago
What does it matter what the guy did it for? Why should he care about the safety of women? His app is still effective.. yea, hate these idiots.
cupshadow 5y ago
The narrative is what matters, they don't care the end result is gonna be the same.
In fact, I disagree with this, since they take identity before intention. Therefore, everyone would be pro-consent app if a woman was the author.
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quansau1 5y ago
Well said, I can't believe this bs, so you want proof of consent, how about we put it into writing so there is no gray area? Male pig! Wha.....?
Wolveryn 5y ago
How is this different than, utilising text message to confirm consent, “still keen to get kinky tonight” followed by “your place or mine” seems like a better way to solve this problem
Aro2220 5y ago
Here here! I am very excited about the mods on a subreddit for the first time in my life.
Phaeer 5y ago
In Sweden they have made a law where you need to give written consent before having sex. If this is the case, will you always be convicted of rape if you have no written consent? This seem like a very dangerous path to go down.
OptimalAdhesiveness 5y ago
My mind is so blown right now, how can someone say 'i'm against an app that establishes things are how they should be'? Their reasoning doesn't even logically add up:
Uhh, wouldn't it do exactly the opposite of that? If not, then they're saying RIGHT NOW there's a serious culture around consent and womens safety - which if true means this app wouldn't have been invented...
Dravous 5y ago
the point is that consent isn't supposed to be a real, objective thing. it's supposed to be weapon that women can use on a whim to harm men should they not fall in line.
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When people say "enjoy the decline," that's a tacit acceptance that these issues will not get better. See above.
Every second you spend expressing moral outrage is a denial of the new world or a failure to accept that your anger is that you, personally, do not benefit from this Fall of Babylon.
We will not return to a time where the overall average partnership outcome receives a bulwark by social policing of sexual behavior.
The losers will lose more and the winners will win more.
Which do you want to be?
chrispp1 5y ago
Nigga Im 5 weeks into a test cycle and slayyyyin
thatzombieoverthere 5y ago
This is the future females chose.
PS2Errol 5y ago
It will be a future without men as 90% of men take the only logical and pragmatic option and leave the plantation -avoiding all contact with the opposite sex.
Radioactivebuny 5y ago
I find myself paying attention solely to the self improvement aspects of this sub because I have too much to lose to risk interacting with women on this fucking cultural hellscape.
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AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Remember that morning after text, gentleman. Get your own record of enthusiastic consent.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Nothing is more important.
jvgkaty44 5y ago
Man if i were in college among these weirdos i wouldnt be touching the females with a 10 foot pole. Id just wait or date outside the college. Not even worth it if its this bad.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
University is usually about 5-10 years ahead of the culture at large. We'll be seeing all this soon anyways.
An_Actual_Politician 5y ago
They sure like to think they are. Then a phenomenon like Trump comes along and causes that bubble to burst in the most entertaining way possible.
destraht 5y ago
The universities are still leading that insanity, its just at least understood better now, assuming that you're right leaning. It hasn't zombie attacked every single lefter yet so they can still be in the dark about it.
Take this recent Twitter gem:
Well some older lefty people whom I know simply don't have the tools to parse that. It sounds like a unique and powerful response to the NZ massacre but if you're around this shit enough then you know that its just average 9am Tuesday college drivel. None of my lefty old people will ever be able to comprehend the shitty "intersectional" ideology behind it.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Old lefties may be a bit in the dark about what is going on, but older conservatives are literally clueless. I've had these conversations with my dad.
They literally cannot comprehend the evil that we are up against. I basically told him it's time for his generation of worthless conservative to get the fuck out of the way because they have done nothing but lose.
destraht 5y ago
I'd like to think that I'd be fine with a son telling me that he can do things much better than me along the lines of our shared values. That has never been a possibility for me. I think that you should feel blessed if he isn't bucking you too hard when you tell him to sit his ass down. There is a lot said about the short comings of millennias (which I almost am), but the largely unsaid thing of the baber boomers and elder generations now is that they think that they are still the front runners and they refuse to become the support staff for younger competent people. If he isn't trying to be a hard one and is tacitly admitting that he doesn't comprehend the current state of affairs then perhaps just ease off on bludgeoning his ego too hard. My father is a know-it-all fuck who couch
surfs[potatoes] professionally. I've been living on and through four continents over the last 9.5 years and I have many stories. The largest one was living in Ukraine during the coup and war. I came home for the following Christmas with stories to tell but INSTEAD they ganged up on me (so angry that they were spitting) and taught me about CNN and MSNBC. They didn't give a rats ass about my PERSONAL experiences or even me for that matter. So I'm saying that if you have a father you would at least say "Jeeze son, that sounds kind of crazy over there, what was that all about? than you've had far more than I'll ever have.Imperator_Red 5y ago
I didn't literally tell him to get the fuck out of the way. I did tell him that his generation of conservative is a failure in every possible way.
destraht 5y ago
I don't know why you needed to clarify that.
yeezusshityall 5y ago
I can't understand how you could possibly think a consent app is bad. It's so obvious lmao. I'm usually on the fence concerning the whole "false accusation epidemic" but this is just blatantly anti-men.
max_peenor 5y ago
A female's most powerful tool is the malleability of truth. They will naturally veer things from objective to subjective to increase their power.
Of course the irony of this being they don't actually want the power. They just want to see who will stop them.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Reminds me of the feminist outcry against that make up removing app.
Her power is her looks and the app allowed men to diffuse that power with one quick look at a photo.
Despite feminism being outspoken against supposed pressure to conform to modern beauty standards, they too are against any loss of female power in the form of make up.
Not to mention them being vehemently opposed to PUA which is the male equivalent of presenting yourself as higher value than you are....just like make up does for women.
darkmoon09 5y ago
What!? I never heard of this, can you post a link?
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ex_addict_bro 5y ago
The longer I live, the more I see that this whole "equality" thing is a hoax. We aren't equal. Women need to be treated like children as except childbearing they're unable to beat man on any level.
I believe that in the past there were many implementations of the "equality hoax". Currently we're at the stage I'd call exactly as you described -- "blatant anti-men". This obviously means that they have no other option than to resort to pure lies.
Why this "emancipation hoax" is a goal? Consumerism, taxes, taking power away from men? Anything else?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
If only it was just this. We would be living in a relative paradise right now if women were just less competent men.
Fortnite_FaceBlaster 5y ago
So I'm not the only one who gets that? I mean, they deny it.. but when I ask them why we need separate leagues for not only tennis, but e-sports and chess... they usually, at that point, have no logical response.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
We obviously need separate leagues for debates too!
Could they come up with feminism? I DON'T THINK SO!
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destraht 5y ago
In such a scenario the matriarchy would criminalize fapping.
LilB2fast4u 5y ago
well I think it is pretty easy to see why, bc if a women presses consent then the guy could just go ahead and do whatever he wants to her like she is a piece of meat? how long does this "consent" last? what if someone uses a knife or gun to force the woman to state she gives consent on the app, then rapes her?
I understand the intent of the app but the logistics simply don't work.
AwakenedSovereign 5y ago
This isn't just a problem with sexual consent, but a problem with finite human awareness.
We have immense technological powers compared to yesteryear, but the Objective Clinical Truth of something, anything, can still be extremely hard to pin down.
Just look at the science behind something like Soy products or any myriad other scientific endeavour. It can take years and sometimes decades to come up with a Real Answer, and that is for things you can experiment, repeat and demonstrate - not transitory events between people that are basically unable to be replicated to any degree of certainty.
This is a HUGE area of weakness in Legal Enforcement of anything, and why you see people go down based on opinion, intent and the appearance of negligence or malice.
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Give you an example that will sound silly but ride with me for a sec.
I built a gaming community in 2018. This community was open to public and about 5% of the people who joined the community were deliberately toxic and disruptive, and maybe 1/10 of those people proactively tried to conceal their disruptive behavior.
Despite the slim statistics these very few people caused the Lions share of the community's problems. Hence: one bad apple spoils the barrel.
It's the same behavior you see little shits doing when they try to tear down an established alpha, leader or group - they perceive a net gain in power or at least Flex if they can succeed.
In the game world that I was God of there was a very robust logging database that I had access to that could show the actions of players down to a very fine grain.
When they opened a door. When they were logged in. What they said and when. Who they killed and when. Where they were in the world and when.
Extreme levels of detail that any Gestapo state would absolutely salivate over.
And you know what?
It was still not enough to establish Objective Truth in some scenarios. Sometimes the players just knew how to work the system.
Like that Dr. who transplanted a tube in his arm with someone else's blood in order to beat DNA tests in his rape changes - until he didn't.
Very very quickly as the authority figure of that community it became not about objective data points, but rather a Pattern of Disruption and the attitude with which they responded. If they appeared conciliatory and genuine to my judgment, they'd get a slap on the wrist. If they didn't, they were banned. No matter how they appeared, if it kept happening and they were involved, they were banned.
This was absolutely the ONLY way to maintain any kind of Order in the community, and I KNEW a non-zero number of the people I banned were either innocent or less guilty than they may have appeared.
Of course I collected as much evidence as physically possible, especially in high profile scenarios like banning entire groups of players who were conspiring together.
But it was not perfect, even in "My World" that I supposedly had Godlike power and Omniscience over.
It was literally better for my "State" to go full Commissar on a few bad apples that were PROBABLY guilty than to sit there and wait until I had hard evidence, because waiting for hard evidence gives THEM the initiative.
If you've ever run any community that is open to public scrutiny and access you know this. You cannot just wait around for Hard Evidence in every single situation or else the fuckshit saboteurs will tear you down because the idiot sheeple will believe them and blame you for being ineffective.
We have come very far as a species, but Truth is one of those things that tends only to be revealed in posterity, if it is lucky enough to be revealed at all.
beginner_ 5y ago
And it's obviously not legally binding eg. 0 value in actual court.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You are right of course... but the point is that this proves that there IS NO WAY to prove consent. It exposes their true motivation, which is to give themselves complete power over men, including the power to retroactively decide that any sexual encounter was actually rape.
AwakenedSovereign 5y ago
The bone-deep truth is that it's not a females consent that we should care about.
What we should care about is whether an accused criminal can be established to follow a pattern of Disruption to a high degree of confidence, high enough to warrant destroying his reputation, life, and possibly freedom when measured against the good of the whole. Her consent is so transitory it basically cannot speak to that.
By this logic though eyewitnesses should not be trusted in general, and of course they often aren't, but sometimes are. That's how limited we still are.
There. I'm on a list now.
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Fulp_Piction 5y ago
The person who circulated the email was an idiot. Wording the proposal like that in an effort to prove a point was obviously going to spark controversy.
That being said, the double speak is palpable. Notice how when they can't criticise the idea that would solve the consent issue that puts so much power in the hands of women, they criticise the intent. Women and femimised men don't like to solve problems, they like to complain about them for attention.
SKRedPill 5y ago
You know, I'd probably remove the word 'consent' altogether - yet another misleading word. This word is too rational and logical, for something that happens emotionally and compulsively.
It's either attractive encounters or unattractive ones.
Actually we ought to have a proper indemnity contract in place at this rate.
archaic-guy 5y ago
Does it cost so much to activate the sound recorder on the phone?
It is legal as long as you are in public or recording your own interactions with others
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KakarotSSJ4 5y ago
Would could if the app have various boxes you could choose for various sexual acts such as oral, regular, anal, hair pulling, etc. Then potentially have a voice recorder that confirms consent and takes a picture or video to confirm whether or not someone may or may not be drunk since I'm from CA.
JohnIan101 5y ago
That should've been in there from the beta stage.
Sadly we've come to this. But I can see women calling that toxic too.
RedPillAlphaBigCock 5y ago
the app should have a yes i consent button and a call police button - this would eliminate "he forced me to say yes" bullshit
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chadwickofwv 5y ago
It makes it harder for them to successfully lie about it later.
Auvergnat 5y ago
Nice. This sort of news, like feminists shutting down sex robot brothels for example, give the lie to the feminist narrative and reveal the concealed power grab. These are the potential splinters in the minds of men stumbling on it: “Wait a minute. Why would there be an outcry over something designed to protect women from rape, as is sorely needed?”
alexzang 5y ago
Oh I want to see the story on that one. You have a link?
Auvergnat 5y ago
I’ll let you google it. It’s happened in a couple places
neveragoodtime 5y ago
The entire idea that the consent movement would protect women from rape was nonsense from the start. What’s the one group of people who don’t care about consent? Rapists.
Teaching men to get consent to stop rape would be like teaching shoppers to pay for their groceries to stop shoplifting.
Consent can’t protect a woman from being raped, it only prevents the man from being convicted of rape.
u-r-silly 5y ago
It's the same everywhere but they seem to lack any understanding of it: only law abidding citizen are concerned.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
No, they understand the situation EXACTLY. The phrasing is dishonest, but the intent is well understood. The consent war is designed purely and solely to vilify men while absolving women of all responsibility.
20 years ago a woman had to say "no" to signify disinterest in sex.
Now she has to scream "yes" at the top of her lungs to signify interest in sex. Or in other words: she doesn't have to say no to signify disinterest.
Responsibility has shifted from the female to the male, and this is the fundamental intent.
beginner_ 5y ago
Or they have a complete understanding of it as the law abiding citizen = beta and the rules really don't apply to Chad anyway.
listeriosis69 5y ago
How the fuck? The world's gone to shit. Apparently protecting both parties during intercourse is "toxic masculinity at its finest"
chadwickofwv 5y ago
The problem is where it also protects men.
nope3333r 5y ago
Who gives a fuck judging by the article the app is useless theres no way this shit would be taken as evidence in court... yea if there was a way to directly prove consent without reasonable doubt then thats one thing to get mad about... But you could just point a gun to a womans head if youre a man and if ur a woman then just say he had one to your head in court. Or any infinite number of things pressuring u into doing it. Then this shyt is void. Also theres a million levels of consent. If a bitch chooses to give me consent with the app does that mean i can fuk her with my spiked bat? This is retarded app and until we live with full surveillance everywhere were gonna have to rely on testimony. Maybe its weak circumstantial evidence... but its basically useless in court. Lots of guys that like to get emotional here just like women
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
I don’t think the app was necessarily meant to be useful in practice so much as prove the exact point that it just proved: fraudulent rape accusations, like the act of rape itself, are about power.
RPAlternate42 5y ago
"He took my phone when I was drunk"
I can see this actually happening and it being true.
beachbbqlover 5y ago
I had a lengthy discussion on reddit and the best we could come up with is encrypted audio stored on phones ONLY with the encryption key held by the app developer only.
The key can be subpoenaed, allowing the courts access to the audio file.
pm_me_tangibles 5y ago
their objections seems to be that this app isn't meant to protect women. they seem to be offended that any activity around rape could be directed at protecting men and not women. they literally say so.
Onarde135 5y ago
This is fucking ridiculous. It seems more like women don't want this to be the norm because they don't want checks and balances in the clown world of hook up culture. Fuck him for fun, then ruin his life in front of everyone. Fuck these people.
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_Anarchon_ 5y ago
In other words, chicks don't like it because it's a way to remove the most powerful tool in their kit.
wench_enabler 5y ago
Dave Chappelle called this years ago.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This absolutely has to be cross posted to XX and ask feminists... really anywhere leftists lurk. I'd love to see their brains explode on this one. Their brains never actually do explode when confronted with their absurdities though, do they? The leftist is completely incapable of thinking for itself (yes - they are no longer human in my mind), or using any logic or reason.
TigerXtrm 5y ago
Lol what? The app is literally called 'Consent'.
TRP8myfeels 5y ago
Time for someone to make another one of these apps, someone who doesn't need to apologize.
centaursg 5y ago
The wording or the article definitely will miss the point that there are failrly large number of cases of false accusations.. But Consent apps do not work.
Just trying to be legally correct here.. There are pigs in both genders and the danger still looms even with the consent apps , men always need to be extremely cautions especially if your SMV is high.
There is no doubt consent apps will be a blow to the metoo movement and partly the reason why people will hate to give it publicity.
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TheImpossible1 5y ago
Why? What's wrong with what they said?
The article details a very good idea shot down because women want the ability to false accuse. There is no other explanation.
It's not hate speech to say inconvenient truths.
Besides, if you're going after hate subs, women have several. I'll PM them to you if you want.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You need to be sent to a facility for the mentally ill. Now.