This is something that comes to me so naturally that it truly bothers me when other people say it out loud.
So, we are all in agreement that typically the Blue Pills relate to feelings and the Red Pills relate to knowledge, correct? Then why does 80% of the common populace start every statement with: I feel like..?
Let me explain something to you right now: Your feelings are irrelevant to any conversation that you are participating in or are about to start.
When did "I feel like" become the common place in society? Oh yea! When you started letting feelings guide your actions.
Men, and this is for Men everywhere. STOP saying I feel like. Start pausing, thinking and say, "I think" , or "I believe that", etc etc. Anytime I hear a sentence, especially from a Man that starts with, I feel like, I tune them out. Their opinion is immediately irrelevant to me. Feelings do not trump thoughts and actions.
TL;DR Stop starting sentences with, "I feel like.." and replace them with "I think that..". You'll live a lot longer once you recognize the deficiency in your logic.
Just my .02 cents.
zyqkvx 5y ago
I understand the virtue fueling your thoughts here, though by drawing such a hard line in the sand you are starkly creating a me/them mentality which in turn creates a 'niceguy'/anger stage dynamic. I too struggle from rolling my eyes (literally or figuratively) when people start up the 'I feels' around me. Now sometimes start with 'I feel' as a form of eating a hair of the dog that bit me (or however that one goes). Also, on a Machiavellian level. Also, you can have some feelings and express them. Expressing feelings is a tool to create framework which you can vet out concretely. It's not that all feelings are bad. It's the epidemic of 'feelings' being misused as nonsense that must be acknowledged.
Using 'I feel' in a Machiavellian is something I've been daubling with lately. I'm not an expert. 'I feel' like it or not is relatable to people. It is a gateway to commonalities, and quite frankly, can be used in a manipulative way to stay clear of disadvantages others try to put on me (beat them at their own game).
As for where I'm at in my journey right now when I see people spouting 'I feel' I think, "act like others, think what you want." That might make it sound like I have it figured out, it's not that strong. I see these others as corrupted/defective. I shouldn't. I should see 'i feel' type communications as the language of children. You don't hate children, you learn to talk to them on their own level.
AAThrowaway5 5y ago
This is dumb drivel man... I don't disagree with you on the validity of your idea here...but you are really undercutting TRP.
I won't even start
IV-IVm-I 5y ago
100% right. Ignore these morons.
ThrowFader 5y ago
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modeler1945 5y ago
I'm glad to see there are others that believe in the "I think" statements over "I feel" statements. As an engineer, I have view the world in logical manners as far as I can remember. "I think" has always been natural for me. Facts and logic are unquestionable, rooted in science, and proven. Feelings are whimsical and can betray you. Drove my ex nuts with this as everything was "feeling" this, and "feeling" that. She didn't care about logic or reason. Only way to "reason and connect" with her were through feeling statements, so logic and reason was rather lacking.
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The world could use more "I think" people and less "I feel", both men and women. There is a place for feelings, but logic should prevail based on irrifutability.
jonpe87 5y ago
That is interesting, because here in Brazil we say "I think..." not "I feel..." and I doubt you will find a culture with more alpha behaviour than us lol. Here dark triad is the norm.
CraxoRB26 5y ago
Every time I hear this I want to puke. And that's coming from someone who doesn't live in a English speaking country.
TryingtoPassCivPro 5y ago
Where's the logic in ignoring emotions?
Aptote 5y ago
he isn't saying to ignore emotions
logic does not apply to emotion anyway
TryingtoPassCivPro 5y ago
I dont think English is his first language and while he doesnt explicitly say to ignore emotions, he certainly doesnt not advocate for using them, like, at all, when making decisions. I'm comfortable with my first statement.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say logic doesn't apply. Yes, they are separate categories - logos and pathos - but that doesn't mean they exist entirely separate from one another. They play off of one another.
That's all to say, what's life without emotions? Joy, sadness, satisfaction, and love make up some of the best moments of life.
Logic isnt some sort of silver bullet. Emotion isn't its antithesis.
Aptote 5y ago
he doesn't advocate using them (pathos) as the go to/default way for expressing your "thoughts" (thoughts are thunk and not felt, btw) in conversation, as doing so invites others to express their feelz (pathos) rather than than their thoughts (logos)
he is not incorrect, using pathos to express logos or vice versa sets up communication troubles, as the two are not aligned
TryingtoPassCivPro 5y ago
Ahh, man. Why did you have to go and mischaracterize what I typed and add content to OPs post?
Aptote 5y ago
my bad, must be the whisky
SeasonedRP 5y ago
"I feel" is a pet peeve of mine when editing persuasive writing, or reading it for that matter. I (and the reader) don't care what you feel; we want to know what you think. When presented with a set of facts, one shouldn't come away with a feeling, which is emotional, but instead should arrive at a rationally-formed conclusion. Better research journals will edit out "I feel," but it is surprising how many people who should know better speak and write this way.
whatdidshewrite 5y ago
Obviously in academics you strictly appeal to logos but in day to day life emotions play a much larger role. Appealing to feelings is the most effective way to persuade the majority of people
YourZenemy 5y ago
I'm in the process of learning copywriting. One of the major principles is getting your point across with as few words as possible, and one of the tips to do so is to eliminate "I think" "I feel" "I believe," etc from our vocabulary? Why? Because it's implied.
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I think the weather is nice today.
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The weather is nice today.
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The second is your raw thought without the 'filter' of announcing that you are about to share your opinion.
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Just MY 2 cents: Scratch the formalities all-together. This makes you sound more confident...in my opinion ;)
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Jackmilla8 5y ago
I feel like shit
I beleive that im shit?
That doesnt work
Coslin 5y ago
You walk around all day saying things like," I feel that we should take a left?". "I feel like we should have hamburgers for dinner." " I feel like I need to take a shower this morning."
These are all things that need to be phrased in the form of a thought. "I think we need to take a left here."" I think a hamburger is a good idea for dinner."
Once you take the sentence "I feel like" out of the equation, the sooner you are going to start to believe in logic versus emotion.
Logic always wins.
Always.
zyqkvx 5y ago
The logic of the sciences and math does not carry over to social dynamics. You can't just 'convert' logic to fit the social arena, or you are doing the same as showing up to a gladiator fight with a calculator. Expectations derived from logic only works with the given that all involved are 100% logic driven. That is never the case, and almost always far from.
RedKingRising 5y ago
You can even drop the "I think". I edit a lot of interviews and the first thing I do if possible is to edit out the "I think" and "I feel". It makes the statements stronger and more factual.
I think earning a million dollars changed life. vs. Earning a million dollars changed my life.
Rugeanu881 5y ago
Even the examples you gave lend themselves to passivity. Sometimes it’s better to just cut out BOTH “I feel” and “I think” before you state some opinion.
Compare “I think we need to take a left here” with “we need to take a left here”. Which one sounds more decisive? Or “I think a hamburger is a good idea for dinner” versus “let’s get hamburgers for dinner”.
By saying “I think” (EVEN as a replacement for I feel) you are handing off the decision to the other person rather than making it yourself. When talking to your boss, sure, fine, make suggestions using “I think”. Talking to a woman? Use commanding language and cut out the “I think”
hazelstein 5y ago
Well, "I think that" Bluepill is how society's social engineers have marginalized the original idea of society and masculinity, how they have rationalized the idea of equality in gender whereas there is no equality, there is balance. Redpill Is all about recovering yourself from this deceiving idea and how to become the better version of yourself, as there is saying from me, "to improve a society one has to improve himself first", utilizing the "happenings" for your own benefits. Redpill teaches us to be selfish for the goodness of overall lifestyle involving you and your family.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
OMG...this is like Red Pill robot stuff.
I say 'I feel' sometimes. You know why, because I am a human and we have emotions. What are you going to do, sit down at the end of the day and say 'omg, I said 'I feel' half a dozen times today. I've gone blue pill and the entire game is over'.
Bluepillers follow logic, too. Albeit a lot of logic based on false ideas, but suddenly classing yourself as either blue or red because you say 'I feel', or 'I think', is just...nonsense.
Charmingaxelotl 5y ago
Saying “I feel” is simply a figure of speech for a lot of people. It’s a way to give your opinion.
Aptote 5y ago
its more subtle than that, and for sure he has a point
using "I feel" or "i believe" as a qualifier, puts the object in a non-productive (empty) frame
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
I see what you're saying. However, it really depends what comes next. Sometimes I'm literally going to express my emotions. 'I feel pissed off', isn't going to work as 'I think pissed off'.
Of course there a plenty of scenarios where more direct language is going to create a productive frame. 'We're going to'/'I'll take'/'We'll Have
Expression of feeling, can also lead to direct action; 'I feel tense. I'm to fuck you like there is no tomorrow'.
Sometimes though, there is the expression of emotion, which every healthy male should be able to do, for emotional awareness is important.
The OP is too black and white, which is the problem with a number of posts. I do see what he is getting at, but he ignores the plethora of contexts where 'I feel' is totally fine. I think he needs to point out situations, context where direct language is more powerful and masculine. Instead of a general black and white notion that 'I feel' = bad, 'I think' = good.
Aptote 5y ago
as long as you are expressing feelings as feelings and not thoughts you should be ok
what OP is (trying to) saying is that expressing your thoughts as feelings sets the wrong tone or frame and thus derails whatever comes after
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Yes, I agree. That's a passive, 'non-action' form of communication.
A good one to be aware of. 'I feel like going to ***' 'I feel like having sex' etc does leave an empty frame. Feels like I am asking the other person to take control of the action and decision.
I thought it was necessary to acknowledge there are times where 'I feel' is important.
It's cool how understanding of language can actually make a more well rounded personality. It also can have a great impact on how people perceive you. A man who expressing his emotions, and says what he thinks and what he's going to do.
ZachMeadows 5y ago
You are right about this particular point. But it is useful to illustrate an opinion. You give extreme examples then you add subtleties.
Like in painting, take prussian blue and add titanium white to lighten it. Now you have a wonderful sky (thanks Bob).
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Again, I agree.
I have a pattern of self-righteousness. It's good to remember to acknowledge an idea, then add my subtle suggestions. You're right, as that is a FAR better process in reaching the eventual conclusive ideas, rather than tearing down the original brick upon which the wall can be built.
Thanks for pointing that out. I can be a righteous one when I want ;-)
kerrielou73 5y ago
This is funny. Women have historically said "I feel like," because they lack confidence. They usually mean "I think," they just don't phrase it that way, because "I feel like," is less challenging to a man's "I know" or "I think." I haven't noticed this trend, but if true, then it would seem men are adopting women's phraseology. I work really hard not to say "I feel," but I still do it ALL THE TIME! I annoy myself.
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frooschnate 5y ago
This place has changed a lot. I get your point OP, you’re making a shitty case for it but I agree with it.
AAThrowaway5 5y ago
I am just glad I found it years ago when I needed it. If I came across this crap today I would have never even stopped for a gander.
_A_L_3_X_ 5y ago
I feel that in English 'I feel like' means something more like 'I have the impresion' not actually what you feel. might be a false friend, but im not a native by far.
CC_ee 5y ago
yeah youre right op is autistic i feel
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Spicychickenaholic 5y ago
Prefixing something with "I feel like" is also a polite way to stop someone from constantly arguing with everything you say (e.g: a plate) because your emotional state is not debatable by someone else easily.
It probably isn't super red though
Aptote 5y ago
feelings only exist in your head, you are only shifting the "argument" to a comparison of feelings, that are not founded in reality
Spicychickenaholic 5y ago
Right, but sometimes shutting someone up is more important than being right ????
Aptote 5y ago
here is a "polite" phrase i learned long ago, that doesn't say anything, and doesn't use i feel:
'i think you might be right'
Spicychickenaholic 5y ago
That's entering their frame tho
Aptote 5y ago
how?
examine that simple phrase carefully, it says nothing
because "think" doesn't mean "know", and "might" also means "might not"
not entering anyone's frame with that phrase
GoingToMakeItBrahs 5y ago
I feel like having soy in my latte on my way to my gender studies dissertation.
ChovekaZavur 5y ago
An even better approach is removing yourself from the situation as a whole. Instead of mentioning "I", make it broader, ex. "I feel/think that iPhones have better software than Android phones.", make it sound like a fact, and don't attach yourself to the statement you've made. "iPhones have better software than Android phones.". You bypass the ressistance that usually occurs when you're debating someone, because they're most likely not against the point, but the frame of the conversation is a debate/argument and they're against you.
ZachMeadows 5y ago
Or... maybe it is just about the language.
In French (despite what everyone thinks about the people, it is a beautiful language) there is no equivalent to "i feel like..."
We have :
Now I am not a french litterature or language graduate, but it is my birth language and I am not stupid, and I may have missed some sentence starters, but I am pretty confident there is none.
With that said, I agree with you, facts and opinions over feelings.
Aptote 5y ago
i agree with this
"i believe" is just as bad (maybe worse) and shouldn't be used
feelz ain't reelz
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