TRP Raising Children Series: Controversial Study on Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria and Transgenderism: transgender behavior in children developed rapidly as a result of factors like peer pressures, social media, mental disorders, trauma, etc. I.e. – it’s not genetic.
I made a post on this a few days back on my site, because the study (I've found through article on Quillette) basically confirms what I've been seeing recently in groups of my female friends. Suddenly every other one and their fucking dog is trans now!
I also went to educate myself a little and, for example the ftm sub here is hilarious beyond belief, yet terrifying at the same time. How the girls imagine male world. How they even fully transitioned behave still basically like a little girls. How they imagine everything falls into place once they get their tits cut off. It's mental, guys.
No wonder they mostly all kill themselves once they realize the bullshit they mutilated their bodies for.
What's even more telling is that while suicide rates among the "trans" community (includes people that get hair cuts and never ops) remains higher than that of veterans, and even in certain subclasses (minorities) higher than POWs and people in concentration camps, they don't want to address it as a mental health issue. Every other possible hiccup in someone's joy can be immediately written off as depression or anxiety or ADD or BPD, but the moment you suggest the people thinking they're ANOTHER FUCKING SEX might be a bit off in their mental state the world is in for another war.
Theres a pretty damn simple explanation for a lot of this.
In my elementary school only two of my teachers were male, thankfully the majority of the female teachers I had were more elderly. There was a lot of touchy feely, be yourself nonesense going on.
The general idea put forth to me is that who you are is concrete and intrinsic. Your likes and dislikes are things you are born with. There are all kinds of people in the world. We even have names for the different types.
You see where Im going though. Children are very black and white in their thinking. When you set up the ideas "people either are, or are not" and "growing up and going to school is about discovering who you are"
Ok great, theres a bunch of possible identities and I belong to one of them. When I figure it out I get to go on living as that identity and life is just awesome
Kids understand the difference between the sexes. I sure as fuck did. So I fucking knew that when all my friends said a pop song was gay, all the girls liked that pop song, deep down I thought it was catchy... I still agreed with my friends that it was gay...
Thats all it takes though. You get this idea in your head about what being gay is, you match it up with your idea of what you are and when you start finding overlap its like "oh fuck I like pop songs and Im a guy. am I gay?"
but now theres even more hope! maybe youre not gay! Maybe youre just a woman born in a mans body!
Anybody following my recent posts will know that I've been focusing on the trans-trend recently, specifically in my focus discussion having children in today's climate.
It should be obvious the reason this is important - it's not because we're at risk or because I particularly care about what a grown adult does with their own body. It's because one of the biggest threats to the health and safety of your children is the indoctrination of your children by the establishment, and the trans-trend is one such indoctrination.
TRP exists to address multiple generations of boys raised without fathers or with feminist dogma running the show in their households, giving future men no direction and understanding of a positive identity.
The threat new generations are facing is much more sinister. Instead of teaching boys that they're defective girls, they want to teach boys that they're simply not boys at all. They are girls.
And with television, school, teachers, and other students flooding your kids with this information, it's going to be an uphill battle making sure your child doesn't jump on the bandwagon - as kids are apt to do.
The trans movement is being fought on many different fronts- it's being injected into pop culture and schools to convince young kids that it's normal- but it's also being pushed on the legal and medical fronts to prevent parents from being able to do anything about it- lest you be accused of child abuse if you don't use your 8 year old's preferred pronoun.
This issue isn't exclusive to boys either. The chart shows how much more affected girls are than boys- and this is to be expected. Girls are far more likely to try to fit in with social groups. There is enormous pressure for girls to follow trends. If that trend is cut off your hair and pretend you're a boy... well, they're going to do it.
There's a somewhat new term you need to get familiar with:
Trans-trendy
That's all this "sudden onset transgender" bullshit is. It's part kids having their minds poisoned by leftists in academia, and part peer pressure to fit in as it's the new edgy crap to do. Like all trends, this too will wear out and eventually kids will resist it as it's no longer the "in" thing. Just takes time.
What we do need to be wary of and stamp out wherever possible, is adults who are encouraging this garbage and ruining their minds and stoking the fires of mental illness.
The biggest threat in modern society is transgenders imposing their ideology on biologically normal heterosexual people. I have nothing against them personally, but a trans' food is another man's poison. They should keep their ideas to themselves and let straight people be what nature intended.
Speaking of LGBT, it doesn't help that lesbians are at the top of the feminist ladder for e.g.
They should keep their ideas to themselves and let straight people be what nature intended.
This has become my general view - for homosexuals as well. Remember when gays said that they just wanted to be left alone? Now if you're straight and you say that you just want to be left alone by gays you are a bigot. This has happened in 20 short years. Gays went from social pariahs that the average person was disgusted by to a protected quasi-aristocracy that proselytizes their lifestyle.
I don't know and quite frankly I don't care anymore what causes homosexuality. All I know is that I tried the tolerance bullshit for a while because it seemed to make sense but lo and behold, it turns out that they don't actually just want to live their lives without being bothered. They want their abnormal lifestyle to become part of the mainstream, deeply ingrained in every aspect of our culture.
Sorry but no thanks. Two consenting adults should legally be allowed to do whatever they want in private, but that's where I draw the line. Homosexuality should not be part of mainstream culture nor celebrated in any way. Homosexuality should be recognized for what it is: a bizarre and maladaptive quirk of genetics or environment that we don't fully understand, and that has no parallel in nature beyond a few clit grinding bonobos.
The biggest threat in modern society is transgenders imposing their ideology on biologically normal heterosexual people.
This is reason that I'm very supportive of Russia's "homosexual propaganda ban towards minors". I don't know every detail about the law but I agree with it based upon what the proponents and opponents have said. It basically makes it illegal to promote this kind of shit towards minors. Full stop, you can't do it in Russia until they are 18. It seems even more relevant and visionary after considering the further developments towards universal transgenderism in the West since the passing of this law.
I don't anticipate much improvements in this department coming from the US since they have tied "human rights" issues together with military strategy on more than one occasion. If my memory serves me correctly, the US was planning on pulling another Libya in Syria (for the Saudi pipeline) but Russia reaffirmed their support to Syria. The US responded with a huge militarized propaganda push in the West to denounce Russia as redneck gay bashers. I feel that they actually thought that it would work since accusing their own cowed population of illiberalism is generally a coup de grace. Russia didn't flinch and instead did a partial debt jubilee in Cyprus so that NATO couldn't use it as a staging ground. Check mate.
All that to say that the US military believes that fancy ways of calling people illiberal is an extremely powerful weapon. The US elites also believe that its a powerful tool for domestic control for cowing its citizens. Its useful externally as well as internally. So its very unlikely that the US will change its course until the people and ideologies have exhausted themselves to the whimpering end.
LOL, such a self-contradictory concept. This is a product of gay pop culture advocates and runs counter to the serious body of knowledge for the small minority of people with genuine lifelong dysphoria.
I think the "forbidden" nature of gayness is the primary driver of transgenderism as a pop culture phenomenon. Much as the well-intentioned but misguided DARE program lent cachet to the Drug Culture and amplified the Gateway Drug effect of marijuana, so too does the forbidden and controversial treatment of gayness drive it to attractive subculture status.
Personally, I take a harm reduction approach to the issue. Fighting gayness as if it's a mortal enemy of masculine men only helps drive uncertain young fence sitters out of OUR influence and into the welcoming arms of activists whose underlying goal is to justify their OWN conflicted feelings, with no interest in the long term needs and good of the people they attempt to "recruit." The net effect will be an increase in "rapid onset gender dysphoria" cases and further entrenchment against "Toxic Masculinity" and TRP.
The opposite of embracing gender dysphoria isn't fighting it, it's dismissing/downplaying/ignoring it. Like a Judo move, this has the potential to turn the weight and force of our enemies against them with little effort on our part. Instead of driving uncertain young people away from our influence and into the arms of pop culture trans recruiters, we could present our version of masculinity as superior in the marketplace of ideas and capture some of the cultural "market share" currently defaulting to others.
The problem with that approach is that ignoring it does nothing to protect our kids from their teachers or their friends. Even though it's being carried by the mainstream, it still carries some of the taboo appeal.
I'm not suggesting we attack the lifestyle or people who engage in it. But those normalizing it and putting legal hurdles up need to go.
Understood. By "ignore" I mean disengage from the pop culture "war" that unwittingly drives people into the influence of active trans recruiters. Hate the game not the players principle.
Gay men are the closest cultural analogues to plate spinning TRP men. Imagine what a cultural coup it would be, and the far reaching consequences (including reversing the trend of ambiguous teens defaulting to toxic radical left influencers) that would follow if we steal them as allies?
By "ignore" I mean disengage from the pop culture "war" that unwittingly drives people into the influence of active trans recruiters.
This is a meaningless statement. I mean, I'm really trying to understand what you are advocating but it just doesn't make sense. So us ignoring the opposition and letting them do whatever they want is going to somehow help us...? No sorry. This is just bizarre and illogical thinking by a political faction that is so demoralized by defeat that it no longer really knows what to do. Like the baseball manager slotting his power hitter in the leadoff spot to shake things up. He has no answers.
Gay men are the closest cultural analogues to plate spinning TRP men.
No, they absolutely are not. They have nothing whatsoever in common except for leading promiscuous lifestyles. Generally a bold statement like this would have some sort of supporting argument.
Imagine what a cultural coup it would be, and the far reaching consequences (including reversing the trend of ambiguous teens defaulting to toxic radical left influencers) that would follow if we steal them as allies?
This is possibly the most delusional political idea that I've ever read.
I came to ask if you've given the comment below some further thought. I find it a defective/broken/outdated model of masculinity that considers gay people enemies. I see our energy being wasted in this direction, and no upside to continuing it into the future.
In what universe do you think that they have potential to be allies? It's nice that you want to reach out and form alliances, but their goals and outlooks for what a society should look like are diametrically opposed to ours. People with diametrically opposed outlooks and goals who look at the world in completely different ways do not generally make good allies. It just seems like your ideas aren't really grounded in reality, and it's difficult to debate against people who aren't grounded in reality.
So us ignoring the opposition and letting them do whatever they want
This is what you get when you approach a topic with your mind already made up to oppose it no matter what. You're arguing against a superficial misunderstanding of what I wrote.
The topic is removing the subculture appeal of pseudo-trans identity as manifested in "rapid onset gender dysphoria." You cannot and will not diminish the draw, appeal, and cohesiveness of a subculture by directly opposing or fighting it, for such efforts will have the opposite effect as intended. It's just as fundamentally counterproductive as abstinence-only sex education and "just say no" drug programs that cost billions, allow adherents to virtue signal as true to their misguided ideologies, but give them less than zero influence toward solving the problem.
They have nothing whatsoever in common except for leading promiscuous lifestyles
Which plate spinning RP men have 100% in common. Who else is closer? Tradcons? Feminists? Blue pill unicorn hunters? Why are gay men celebrated and RP men vilified?
In the last 50 years the gay community has thrown off far, far greater oppression than what RP men face today. What can we learn from that struggle to help with our own cultural war needs?
possibly the most delusional political idea that I've ever read
Possibility of aligning with gay people break your political brain? Alliances are the bread and butter of political power. "Fighting" gay people is a political and social liability today and beyond. By doing so, we give that entire bloc, and all of their allies, over to our opposition. As Dr. Phil might say, "How is that working out for us?"
Tackling the problem of sexually uncertain and impressionable youth being snapped up by transgender activists and taken into their fold is serious business. The Manosphere's status quo is obviously not working. Can you articulate a better plan for reversing these trends than what I have brought forward here?
Yep, if you react you have already lost. It’s about the cause/effect, be the cause, not the effect. Interesting thing with all leftists today is that the are “tolerant”, but not respectful. And concerning the classical masculinity they are not even tolerant. So if you teach your child how to be a real man/woman, you act proactive, not reactive.
Why? This is nonsense. It literally makes no sense. It sounds like something your dyke 4th grade teacher told you when the bully wouldn't leave you alone.
They are not bullying you, they want attention. If someone verbally bullies you, you agree and amplify, you don’t react. Physical is not the same as verbal
moroi 5y ago
I made a post on this a few days back on my site, because the study (I've found through article on Quillette) basically confirms what I've been seeing recently in groups of my female friends. Suddenly every other one and their fucking dog is trans now!
I also went to educate myself a little and, for example the ftm sub here is hilarious beyond belief, yet terrifying at the same time. How the girls imagine male world. How they even fully transitioned behave still basically like a little girls. How they imagine everything falls into place once they get their tits cut off. It's mental, guys.
No wonder they mostly all kill themselves once they realize the bullshit they mutilated their bodies for.
daveed1297 5y ago
What's even more telling is that while suicide rates among the "trans" community (includes people that get hair cuts and never ops) remains higher than that of veterans, and even in certain subclasses (minorities) higher than POWs and people in concentration camps, they don't want to address it as a mental health issue. Every other possible hiccup in someone's joy can be immediately written off as depression or anxiety or ADD or BPD, but the moment you suggest the people thinking they're ANOTHER FUCKING SEX might be a bit off in their mental state the world is in for another war.
BurnoutRS 5y ago
Theres a pretty damn simple explanation for a lot of this.
In my elementary school only two of my teachers were male, thankfully the majority of the female teachers I had were more elderly. There was a lot of touchy feely, be yourself nonesense going on.
The general idea put forth to me is that who you are is concrete and intrinsic. Your likes and dislikes are things you are born with. There are all kinds of people in the world. We even have names for the different types.
You see where Im going though. Children are very black and white in their thinking. When you set up the ideas "people either are, or are not" and "growing up and going to school is about discovering who you are"
Ok great, theres a bunch of possible identities and I belong to one of them. When I figure it out I get to go on living as that identity and life is just awesome
Kids understand the difference between the sexes. I sure as fuck did. So I fucking knew that when all my friends said a pop song was gay, all the girls liked that pop song, deep down I thought it was catchy... I still agreed with my friends that it was gay...
Thats all it takes though. You get this idea in your head about what being gay is, you match it up with your idea of what you are and when you start finding overlap its like "oh fuck I like pop songs and Im a guy. am I gay?"
but now theres even more hope! maybe youre not gay! Maybe youre just a woman born in a mans body!
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Anybody following my recent posts will know that I've been focusing on the trans-trend recently, specifically in my focus discussion having children in today's climate.
It should be obvious the reason this is important - it's not because we're at risk or because I particularly care about what a grown adult does with their own body. It's because one of the biggest threats to the health and safety of your children is the indoctrination of your children by the establishment, and the trans-trend is one such indoctrination.
TRP exists to address multiple generations of boys raised without fathers or with feminist dogma running the show in their households, giving future men no direction and understanding of a positive identity.
The threat new generations are facing is much more sinister. Instead of teaching boys that they're defective girls, they want to teach boys that they're simply not boys at all. They are girls.
And with television, school, teachers, and other students flooding your kids with this information, it's going to be an uphill battle making sure your child doesn't jump on the bandwagon - as kids are apt to do.
The trans movement is being fought on many different fronts- it's being injected into pop culture and schools to convince young kids that it's normal- but it's also being pushed on the legal and medical fronts to prevent parents from being able to do anything about it- lest you be accused of child abuse if you don't use your 8 year old's preferred pronoun.
This issue isn't exclusive to boys either. The chart shows how much more affected girls are than boys- and this is to be expected. Girls are far more likely to try to fit in with social groups. There is enormous pressure for girls to follow trends. If that trend is cut off your hair and pretend you're a boy... well, they're going to do it.
bsutansalt 5y ago
There's a somewhat new term you need to get familiar with:
Trans-trendy
That's all this "sudden onset transgender" bullshit is. It's part kids having their minds poisoned by leftists in academia, and part peer pressure to fit in as it's the new edgy crap to do. Like all trends, this too will wear out and eventually kids will resist it as it's no longer the "in" thing. Just takes time.
What we do need to be wary of and stamp out wherever possible, is adults who are encouraging this garbage and ruining their minds and stoking the fires of mental illness.
SKRedPill 5y ago
The biggest threat in modern society is transgenders imposing their ideology on biologically normal heterosexual people. I have nothing against them personally, but a trans' food is another man's poison. They should keep their ideas to themselves and let straight people be what nature intended.
Speaking of LGBT, it doesn't help that lesbians are at the top of the feminist ladder for e.g.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This has become my general view - for homosexuals as well. Remember when gays said that they just wanted to be left alone? Now if you're straight and you say that you just want to be left alone by gays you are a bigot. This has happened in 20 short years. Gays went from social pariahs that the average person was disgusted by to a protected quasi-aristocracy that proselytizes their lifestyle.
I don't know and quite frankly I don't care anymore what causes homosexuality. All I know is that I tried the tolerance bullshit for a while because it seemed to make sense but lo and behold, it turns out that they don't actually just want to live their lives without being bothered. They want their abnormal lifestyle to become part of the mainstream, deeply ingrained in every aspect of our culture.
Sorry but no thanks. Two consenting adults should legally be allowed to do whatever they want in private, but that's where I draw the line. Homosexuality should not be part of mainstream culture nor celebrated in any way. Homosexuality should be recognized for what it is: a bizarre and maladaptive quirk of genetics or environment that we don't fully understand, and that has no parallel in nature beyond a few clit grinding bonobos.
destraht 5y ago
This is reason that I'm very supportive of Russia's "homosexual propaganda ban towards minors". I don't know every detail about the law but I agree with it based upon what the proponents and opponents have said. It basically makes it illegal to promote this kind of shit towards minors. Full stop, you can't do it in Russia until they are 18. It seems even more relevant and visionary after considering the further developments towards universal transgenderism in the West since the passing of this law.
I don't anticipate much improvements in this department coming from the US since they have tied "human rights" issues together with military strategy on more than one occasion. If my memory serves me correctly, the US was planning on pulling another Libya in Syria (for the Saudi pipeline) but Russia reaffirmed their support to Syria. The US responded with a huge militarized propaganda push in the West to denounce Russia as redneck gay bashers. I feel that they actually thought that it would work since accusing their own cowed population of illiberalism is generally a coup de grace. Russia didn't flinch and instead did a partial debt jubilee in Cyprus so that NATO couldn't use it as a staging ground. Check mate.
All that to say that the US military believes that fancy ways of calling people illiberal is an extremely powerful weapon. The US elites also believe that its a powerful tool for domestic control for cowing its citizens. Its useful externally as well as internally. So its very unlikely that the US will change its course until the people and ideologies have exhausted themselves to the whimpering end.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
LOL, such a self-contradictory concept. This is a product of gay pop culture advocates and runs counter to the serious body of knowledge for the small minority of people with genuine lifelong dysphoria.
I think the "forbidden" nature of gayness is the primary driver of transgenderism as a pop culture phenomenon. Much as the well-intentioned but misguided DARE program lent cachet to the Drug Culture and amplified the Gateway Drug effect of marijuana, so too does the forbidden and controversial treatment of gayness drive it to attractive subculture status.
Personally, I take a harm reduction approach to the issue. Fighting gayness as if it's a mortal enemy of masculine men only helps drive uncertain young fence sitters out of OUR influence and into the welcoming arms of activists whose underlying goal is to justify their OWN conflicted feelings, with no interest in the long term needs and good of the people they attempt to "recruit." The net effect will be an increase in "rapid onset gender dysphoria" cases and further entrenchment against "Toxic Masculinity" and TRP.
The opposite of embracing gender dysphoria isn't fighting it, it's dismissing/downplaying/ignoring it. Like a Judo move, this has the potential to turn the weight and force of our enemies against them with little effort on our part. Instead of driving uncertain young people away from our influence and into the arms of pop culture trans recruiters, we could present our version of masculinity as superior in the marketplace of ideas and capture some of the cultural "market share" currently defaulting to others.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
The problem with that approach is that ignoring it does nothing to protect our kids from their teachers or their friends. Even though it's being carried by the mainstream, it still carries some of the taboo appeal.
I'm not suggesting we attack the lifestyle or people who engage in it. But those normalizing it and putting legal hurdles up need to go.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
"Just ignore them" or "just laugh at them" are clearly failed strategies. So why are people still advocating this?
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MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Understood. By "ignore" I mean disengage from the pop culture "war" that unwittingly drives people into the influence of active trans recruiters. Hate the game not the players principle.
Gay men are the closest cultural analogues to plate spinning TRP men. Imagine what a cultural coup it would be, and the far reaching consequences (including reversing the trend of ambiguous teens defaulting to toxic radical left influencers) that would follow if we steal them as allies?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
This is a meaningless statement. I mean, I'm really trying to understand what you are advocating but it just doesn't make sense. So us ignoring the opposition and letting them do whatever they want is going to somehow help us...? No sorry. This is just bizarre and illogical thinking by a political faction that is so demoralized by defeat that it no longer really knows what to do. Like the baseball manager slotting his power hitter in the leadoff spot to shake things up. He has no answers.
No, they absolutely are not. They have nothing whatsoever in common except for leading promiscuous lifestyles. Generally a bold statement like this would have some sort of supporting argument.
This is possibly the most delusional political idea that I've ever read.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I came to ask if you've given the comment below some further thought. I find it a defective/broken/outdated model of masculinity that considers gay people enemies. I see our energy being wasted in this direction, and no upside to continuing it into the future.
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Also....to be well enough built to be visible to women is to be well enough for the fags to throw themselves at you. It's all good. Whatever.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
In what universe do you think that they have potential to be allies? It's nice that you want to reach out and form alliances, but their goals and outlooks for what a society should look like are diametrically opposed to ours. People with diametrically opposed outlooks and goals who look at the world in completely different ways do not generally make good allies. It just seems like your ideas aren't really grounded in reality, and it's difficult to debate against people who aren't grounded in reality.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
This is what you get when you approach a topic with your mind already made up to oppose it no matter what. You're arguing against a superficial misunderstanding of what I wrote.
The topic is removing the subculture appeal of pseudo-trans identity as manifested in "rapid onset gender dysphoria." You cannot and will not diminish the draw, appeal, and cohesiveness of a subculture by directly opposing or fighting it, for such efforts will have the opposite effect as intended. It's just as fundamentally counterproductive as abstinence-only sex education and "just say no" drug programs that cost billions, allow adherents to virtue signal as true to their misguided ideologies, but give them less than zero influence toward solving the problem.
Which plate spinning RP men have 100% in common. Who else is closer? Tradcons? Feminists? Blue pill unicorn hunters? Why are gay men celebrated and RP men vilified?
In the last 50 years the gay community has thrown off far, far greater oppression than what RP men face today. What can we learn from that struggle to help with our own cultural war needs?
Possibility of aligning with gay people break your political brain? Alliances are the bread and butter of political power. "Fighting" gay people is a political and social liability today and beyond. By doing so, we give that entire bloc, and all of their allies, over to our opposition. As Dr. Phil might say, "How is that working out for us?"
Tackling the problem of sexually uncertain and impressionable youth being snapped up by transgender activists and taken into their fold is serious business. The Manosphere's status quo is obviously not working. Can you articulate a better plan for reversing these trends than what I have brought forward here?
RStonePT 5y ago
I like this, some of the best machiavellian ideas in a while on the subject.
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German8835 5y ago
Yep, if you react you have already lost. It’s about the cause/effect, be the cause, not the effect. Interesting thing with all leftists today is that the are “tolerant”, but not respectful. And concerning the classical masculinity they are not even tolerant. So if you teach your child how to be a real man/woman, you act proactive, not reactive.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Why? This is nonsense. It literally makes no sense. It sounds like something your dyke 4th grade teacher told you when the bully wouldn't leave you alone.
German8835 5y ago
They are not bullying you, they want attention. If someone verbally bullies you, you agree and amplify, you don’t react. Physical is not the same as verbal
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