Currently I am reading Bertrand Russell's "The Conquest of Happiness".
For those unfamiliar Russell was a famous 20th-century philosopher, he was a brilliant guy writing simpler texts like these but also complex mathematical logical proofs.
In his book he makes points that many here would disagree, but also many that we would agree with.
One quote of his on women really stood out to me.
"In many women, especially rich society women, the capacity for feeling love is completely dried up, and is replaced by a powerful desire that all men shoulder love them. When a woman of this kind is sure that a man loves her, she has no further use for him"
This really struck him as he is mostly a romantic and talks much of the greatness of love. So to have him say this is really striking.
I also believe this is very true, truer now than it was when he wrote it. His perspective in the text seems to be that this is a new symptom of our society that provides everything and leaves women not needing protection or sustenance.
Now think about the fact this is a perspective from the 1920s.
I can't begin to say how much truer this has become.
The_Junto 5y ago
It hasn't become any "truer" it's simply a reality that is forgotten and rediscovered over and over again.
besantos10 5y ago
I think it has though. One of the bigger reasons they can behave like this is because society and government are filling in roles that men once stood in, so as women become more and more independent the nature of their hypergamy changes and love becomes a thing of the past substituted for cynicism.
This is sad but by all means a great thing. Those of us that understand the climate, either by virtue or because life forced us to, can game the system and become part of few that reap it's rewards.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Incidentally, Russell himself was a massive player. Had four wives and cheated on them constantly.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
This is the root problem we're facing. And, it's that way because of the force of government. The real red pill is to realize you need to do away with government.
AwakenedSovereign 5y ago
Government's main facility is to consolidate control over violence.
You take that away and a whole bunch of problems go away because of bigger problems. Like deathsquads and raiding.
Government needs to evolve and so do people.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
Your meaning isn't clear.
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Governments seek a monopoly on violence. This isn't a good thing. The death-squads and raiding you speak of are done by governments.
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People certainly need to evolve, and realize they don't need and should not want government.
AwakenedSovereign 5y ago
Raiding is sort of our default setting in absence of greater structure. It won't just be neighbors living side by side trading chickens.
Governments do all of that and worse, but more as a means to an end. In absence of that our way of daily living would become more routinely violent.
Anyways, under every such condition where government does dissolve it eventually resurfaces or reasserts from somewhere else. Government is another word for leadership.
So do monkeys have government? What about a tribal chieftain with paternal biological lineage? What's the difference between that and a silverback except words and feathers.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
You can't achieve good by doing bad
This is only because of people like yourself that think it's necessary and good. If your ilk were really opposed to other people that initiate violence, and willing to defend yourselves from it, the things you're talking about could not exist.
AwakenedSovereign 5y ago
You do not have sufficient direct experience with populations of people to comment.
Violence and conflict are human nature. Inescapable. Inevitable. Spontaneous, sometimes even within the confines of a family.
Removing government and taking self defense classes won't change that.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
Your idea of institutionalizing violence in order to prevent violence is incoherent. The reason you believe it is because you were brainwashed by that very government.
Zech4riah 5y ago
I think he just misinterpreted love and being depended on and thus showing "love".
When the times were tough, women behaved like they loved a man who they were depended on to survive even they didn't love him(would you anger someone of whom your life/survival is depended on?).
Now women don't have the need to fake love anymore. They survive on their own (in western countries), thus they only express "real love" which is much more rare so it seems to unknowledgeable men that women don't love as much as they used to.
This can also be seen on practise at present day. If you marry a "loving wife" from third world whose survival or at least a lot better quality of life is depended on you, she will play her part and "be in love". Once you bring her to western country and she realizes that she doesn't need you anymore for cozy life and/or survival, you are out. This keeps happening to lot of guys who bring wives from third world. Ofc there is a lot more reasons too but this is one of them.
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Oof feeling this hard right now
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Fulp_Piction 5y ago
It's been said before, it'll be said again.
There's a post on here somewhere about how women want emotional conquest. As soon as you 'give her your all' she gets bored, there's nothing left for her and she checks out and branch swings.
Think about the volume of bullshit romance tropes thrown out over every entertainment medium and how romance is basically porn for girls and you get an idea about why intergender dynamics are so fucked up at the minute.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Damn! I think this may indeed be true. It's certainly been my experience.
[deleted] 5y ago
Absolutely true.
With my ex, I thought I had found the love of my life and basically gave up myself and my heart and everything to her immediately.
She told her sister “I’m bored with him” after 3 months of us dating.
If you give something for free, people will think it’s actually worthless.
And if a girl ever says you’re boring... it’s because you’re not making her chase you at all. She gets the thrill from earning your attention, affection, and commitment. It’s like a video game... if you use all the cheat codes and get everything instantly, you’ll maybe play around for an hour and then get bored and go play something else.
FederalAnxiety 5y ago
I'm convinced more often than not, women truly believe they are pursuing love. She has found a good man, she wants the dream of falling in love, but she doesn't realise that after gobbling a hundred cocks she's incapable of it. So she chases him until he falls for her, she feels nothing, so tries again. "If only I could find the RIGHT man I would fall in love", not realising that the kind of man she truly wants learned long ago that women should be leased, not bought.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
I haven't heard this take before, but it makes sense.
I can imagine all the sob stories that happens.
I'd like to see some practical application of this principle in terms of men using it to their advantage.
Do you never tell her you love her except for when she gives you anal or something?
Or make her give everything to you and act like she has only slightly satisfied you?
Tell her no a lot?
Turn her down for sex?
I'm sure it's not a simple thing where a guide can be written up, but there must be some basic principles to follow to prevent her from feeling as she has emotionally conquered you. Meanwhile, still getting what you want outta her (hot nasty sex of all flavors) and balancing that out with bitch maintenance.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
I think Ballosaurus his reply is correct he just forgot to add two things imo.
Emotional conquest = handing your balls over basically.
Anyway, this is not the full story. A part of it is familiarity as well. Women want to figure out how you think & how you see the world. If you have tight game a woman might never achieve complete emotional conquest, however she will figure out for 99% how you think etc. You always end up becoming 'too' familiar and then you go from 'being in love' to a more brother/sister kind of love.
Women will figure you out for 99% over the course of 3 years. That's why many relationships break around year 3 or the sex goes down etc.
Imo this is the reason you can't have like a decade long being madly in love with each other, fucking 2-3 daily kind of relationship.
No matter how fun you are in the end we all become predictable and a little more boring.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Yeah that sucks. I've been with this woman for almost a decade and would love to bang her 6 times a day. I like almost everything about her. Women truly don't love the same way men do. Granted I'd also love a (ffm) threesome and some kinky nasty sex that most people on Reddit would probably shriek at.
But that familiarity..
I see... It's a few things.
I am bout to juxtapose it up like a motherfucker.
I got kids so I have to push the envelope in my favor slowly but surely and not risk divorce rape. I'm not in a dead bedroom situation, just unsatisfied because my drive is like I said I could go 6 times a day, and she's good for maybe once every 2-3 days tops but there are also bad weeks where it's once every 7 days.
My goal is to get it up to "sex daily most of the time with 2-3 sessions on some days" and doing anal and other kinky stuff that I am into.
Down the road maybe get her comfy with adding another chick in a \r\cuckquean situation if she honestly can't keep up, but that feels like an impossible feat at the moment.
Thotwrecker 5y ago
A guide can be written up and followed, but there's no way to "do" this, you have to just be it. There is no "practical applications" really, it's a state of being called prioritizing yourself first, always and ruthlessly so. You have to be self-absorbed and wrapped up in your own missions and goals and general life trajectory, and that path has to be completely unflinching and uncompromising.
The best practical example I can give is genuinely not checking your phone because you're creatively engaged with something important, and genuinely letting your bitch fall to the wayside. A TRP nerd reads that as "OK, we want a 2 hr delayed response time" but no that's not really it, because a natural will be genuinely replying when he's available and interested, but not doing so when he's not.
When you love her enough that you're compromising small or large aspects of your life to better improve her life (which is what BP love is -- self sacrifice for another's good, to earn validation and expect reciprocation), you are telling her that you love her more than you love herself. She knows then it's only a matter of time before you are getting needy, you're engaging in beta supplicatory behavior, and she's basically already conquered you instead of vice versa.
To answer your question: do your best to care about something so intensely and so passionately that women fall to the wayside, including your LTR at times. It is very, very important that women, particularly high SMV women, feel like they are playing second fiddle to you and your goals.
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
Basically the 16 commandments of poon.
Ballosaurus 5y ago
You put yourself first. Always. Your career is second. She is a distant third.
You never say “I love you” first. You withhold attention when she isn’t doing something to please you.
You have other options. Actively explore these other options.
Don’t be a pushover. Don’t be a provider. Say no. Treat her like a child.
It is simple. This is “dread,” and it is all available on the sidebar.
I don’t know where it’s from, and I’m too busy to search, but “she must never feel as though she ‘has’ you.”
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Ah. Dread - I am familiar. I just wasn't making the connection there. Though I am always looking for new and innovative ways to employ dread as a dad with several kids - married to the mother.
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This right here is one of the reddest pills there is, from my point of view. I have 3 close family males who are happily married, anywhere from 10 to 30 years, and all employ Dread in one way or another.
I have had this discussion with Bloopies and they really, really hate it....but Dread is hands down the best long term bitch management tool available, since we can't kill them or send them to convents anymore.
ruboski 5y ago
Can you give some examples of how they employ dread?
[deleted] 5y ago
Happy to, and I welcome feedback to see if this is worthy of a headline post, either here or for the folks over at MRP.
A great example is Dad. After my mother & I left, he started spending time with B...he'd stop by every day for dinner, and she finally said "dude, I want to get married, shit or get off the pot." Since Dad's seduction technique is domestic incompetence, they married.
About 3 months in, B got a call from some other woman who heard Dad was single and was sniffing around. Freaked her right the fuck out, and she told me the story....30 years later. Along with "you know, I've had 10 surgeries 'down there' but I still make sure to take care of your father."
So much for passive dread.
My cousin was much more active about things. He was always an alpha male type, very aggressive, and an absolute junkie for conflict. His wife didn't have kids until 15 or so years in....soon after that, he hopped online and started fucking around. Hardcore. He was busted....and she joined in. Unfortunately for them, Mexican women can hit the Wall HARD and she did 20 years ago. Sure, she could have Divorce Raped him, but not only that would be bad for their kids, she'd never have an alpha in her bed again.
So much for active dread.
Let's be clear, both of these men are good men, hard workers, and good fathers. When I say "Dread is the best long term bitch management system there is" it can be easily spun to "When you take good care of yourself and your family, but you are still a desirable man, of course your wife will step things up because she has it good, knows it, and doesn't want to lose it."
pridebrah 5y ago
She started having threesomes or she also started fucking around on the side?
[deleted] 5y ago
I don't have every detail, but the main point is that he had her "buy in" for a new lifestyle.
ihaphleas 5y ago
Russell was a brilliant mathematician and logician. One can generally not argue with his reasoning, but his assumptions, in matters of politics, economics and relationships, are best examined very carefully...they are often wrong, unjustified or just not stated.
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Sotokun3000 5y ago
I can’t find this quote in the text despite searching for keywords. Can you point the page/chapter?
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
My favourite philosopher. I liked "A history of Western Philosophy"; it's hard going but fascinating.
He's done a lot other fascinating things too, eg Principia Mathematica.
Some of his books changed the way I thought about things for life. (read him in my 20's...)
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Understatement of the year, but good to hear Russell getting some love.
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besantos10 5y ago
Hahaha it seems like it. This is my first time reading any of his work.
Nomsonfacekcool 5y ago
The book “Unpopular Opinions” was a huge impact on me, as it unintentionally solidified my political opinions. There are certain things in there I disagree with, but he makes a lot of really wonderful points throughout. Definitely the kind of author you need to stop and consider what he’s saying before you agree with it, but most of the time the root of what he’s saying is incredibly well thought out and based in hard truth.
Sotokun3000 5y ago
Can you point exact source? Page number, chapter as I’m searching for keywords but cannot find this quote in the book
besantos10 5y ago
On my version it's chapter 1 page 27.
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"Why I'm Not a Christian" is perhaps his most infamous non technical work but I loved it. He was definitely a philanderer but not particularly "Red Pilled" about it, so I think the love he'll get here will be minimal.
One thing to keep in mind about Russell was his paradigm shift after the Great War. Before that, he was the prototypical mind in the sky intellectual who took things like Platonic forms seriously. After Europe nearly destroyed itself, he was deeply, deeply shaken which led to his much more popular work focused on the real world....while his technical work was not always accessible even to experts even while they shook the foundations of mathematics and philosophy (look at Russell's Paradox).
He did turn to socialism and all that, so there are definitely problems with Russell but he is well, well worth reading and contending with.
Have fun!
JohnnySixguns 5y ago
This is a brilliant way of looking at knowledge, and being well read. One of the challenges of our society and media consumption is that we tend to seek out confirmation and choose our media accordingly.
Your statement urges us to seek out alternative views and contend with them. We need more of this.
killedontheprivy 5y ago
I mean I might be a socialist if no one had ever tried it in practice. Sharing and all that is nice.
It's just once you see it in practice...
Didiathon 5y ago
Being a socialist before the results of it’s attempted implementation was fully realized is more forgivable, and he was grounded enough to see through Lenin, so I don’t knock him too much for it.
He wasn’t driven to socialism by the resentment or desire for personal gain that fuels a lot of modern proponents.
[deleted] 5y ago
That's a really important distinction I hadn't considered. Great points.
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Crimson_Medicinal 5y ago
Sums up my last LTR.
Was putty in my hands until I relaxed and shown extra affection. Felt like a box got checked off and then she crumpled up the relationship and threw it in the trash.
Nov51605 5y ago
Pretty damn sobering consdering the source/era
WaspOnAWall 5y ago
I have an interesting anecdote on the topic : there was this girl I pursued, she knew it, she put me in the orbiter category. Then one day I got pissed off with something she did and gave her cold shoulder. Suddenly, she was anxious to win back my affections, to the point she offered me money as compensation (I kid you not). Eye opening.
DarkAndWormyNight 5y ago
emotional withdrawal = torture
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Can’t say that’s a normal situation honestly.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
I'll make the following statement about hypergamy:
there's alpha fucks & beta bucks. as society gives women more and more rope, allowing them to run feral with their ways, the beta bucks side will become a lot less important.
women will seek "super" alphas... the ultimate sex partner. this guy will be highly valuable but only from the physical side. so if you're not getting any pussy now, your chances won't go up any time soon... and will likely get worse.
80/20 is gonna go to 85/15 and it will be primarily based on sex. women won't need us as providers & protectors. big daddy govt has that role in the laws, courts, & society. they will sexualize men more and more... while they slut it up more & more.
y'all better learn how to fuck... and fuck well.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
it's going to change only a very teeny tiny bit... Women are lazy as fuck lol, you give them too much credit, most are too lazy to go to the gym even when that increases their SMV (their most effective and important tool to acquire $ and dick).
Also... it's wired into their brains to seek BB and AF.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
the laziness to workout is already solved by more and more ways to deceive your eyes.
more and new types of surgeries... makeup, wigs/hair trickery, and clothing improvements to hide flaws and body issues etc. those things will only get better in time.
their game has always been to deceive and fool your eyes... playing on your desire for pussy and looks.
betas will always be needed for what they do. but the alpha types will be even busier fucking as society freely accepts the "catch as much cum as possible" behavior of feral vagina owners.
RightHandWolf 5y ago
but the alpha types will be even busier fucking as society freely accepts the "catch as much cum as possible" behavior of feral vagina owners.
I guess the Red Pilled can call themselves Explorers for the National Pornographic Society. Time to start filing those grant applications . . .
lettucebogs 5y ago
learn how to fuck=have above average dick and stamina
awalt_cupcake 5y ago
you're getting downvoted but this is true in my experience. The bar is so low for quality sex. Just get into it and try to last she'll come back. People are hooking up but not having good sex.
SalporinRP 5y ago
Eh I agree to an extent but realistically there's not enough alphas to go around (especially as America gets fatter and fatter) for things to get to the extent you describe.
Women who have splatted against the wall will still seek out beta bux. Because why work and have to provide for yourself if you can marry a guy and not have to do shit and you always have the backup plan of just cheating or worst case scenario divorcing him for half his shit.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
they will marry other females. if you don't know, women despise betas.
SalporinRP 5y ago
No they will still marry betas just have their action on the side or divorce after a 5 year loveless marriage or both.
You underestimate a woman's drive to be as lazy as possible as well as the social pressure for them to get married (and don't forget women are extremely susceptible to social pressure). Why would a woman work into her 30s when she can just live in a nice house and do nothing all day.
Women despise betas yes but look how many betas still get married these days.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
very true. but with women making more money and being encouraged to slut it up more plus hating men more... fewer betas will be burdened with their social pressure to get married.
i can't wait for the divorce rape to start within those same sex marriages. then they might understand why men are so exposed/afraid/reluctant to do it.
jd6736 5y ago
I just want to chime in with something... Being able to fuck well is not a replacement for being red-pilled. Girl who taught me how to fuck and took my virginity (I was VERY late so def happy for her help) always bragged about how hard her boyfriend could fuck her and how I could never compare (and I didn't and still don't). Apparently this guy was over 8 inches and could go for hours at a time and leave her sore and satisfied. They were long distance, so that worked against him... But by all indications he was the perfect boyfriend and loved her intensely. After he found out she cheated on him with me they briefly broke up and after they got back together he gave her permission to fuck other guys (as long as they weren't me) "from time to time" while she was away from him because he knew she had a high sex drive -- doesn't get any more beta than that. Anyway, she predictably dumped him eventually. By all other accounts, this guy was perfect - successful, tall, funny, and could fuck like a god. But he loved her too much and placed her above himself.
I bet her leaving him was the best thing that happened to him.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
this is true. being good in bed or having a monster unit means nothing if you're not a man about his purpose & motivated.
my cousin is currently dating a guy called, "mr. Pringles," because in her words, he literally has a unit the size of a Pringles can. but he's a wimp... a big wimp.
she has two kids but tells people she has 3... bc she considers him one. even his two kids (not by her) refer to him as "bitch-made." he's small in stature and very skinny and always gets pushed around & punked out.
but to some women, they don't care... they still seek him out to fuck him but not one respects him. so having a freakishly large unit and the rep that comes with it does not equal respect or admiration.
you ALWAYS have to be a (dominant) man first. or as my cousin says, "my pussy remembers him, but i don't."
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Why does it even matter honestly if they fuck him but don’t respect him? They’re fucking him. Who cares what they say about it after.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
bc good sex can make you want to consider a relationship with the person.
maybe fwb, a "maintenance" lover, or even a committed LTR. no matter what degree of relationship it is, respect is essential.
good sex can often change your perspective about a person's role in your life.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
So why is she fucking the guy with a big dick if she sex isn’t good and she doesn’t respect him?
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44361066 5y ago
How do you fuck well?
VigilantCMDR 5y ago
https://archive.is/wdn37
good old /u/vasiliyzaitzev has a great guide, he is like one of the most red pilled guys on here
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TRPLazarus 5y ago
Bend over and I'll demonstrate
awalt_cupcake 5y ago
oh shit bro you forgot to say no homo
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thewrecker8 5y ago
It's been said before on here. Men are the hopeless romantics. They want to find the one woman who will care for him when he needs her most. He wants to spoil her give her the best he's capable of supplying her with and love her unconditionally.
That's the fairytale men want to believe. Unfortunately it's just a fairytale. It's no more believable than an elephant with huge ears that can fly.
besantos10 5y ago
Actually that's not exactly what he talks about. I recommend checking out the book its a great read.
He puts forth the idea of love but with some cynicism.
But I agree about the illusion modern men are under.
EdmondDaunts 5y ago
I would even go as far to say that men being hopeless romantics at times is an emergent property. Even with being raised by a decent mother. If you spend your life with challenges it is likely your antagonist idea will be a carefree life where you are loved unconditionally. The same could be said for women.
If we didn’t have greener grass it would be necessary to invent it.
The only advantage is being aware of it
FINDTHESUN 5y ago
And why the fuck we even so incompatibly hardwired then??? I'm curious.. men are hopeless romantics pretending to be realists, and women are realists pretending to be romantics. Is a true romantic love even possible then? or are men doomed unless you become an arrogant goat!? I'm confused a little..
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
We are incompatibly hardwired only in modern society - it was not always so if you read romance/adventure novels from before 1940s, you will discover stories about me being romantics but at the same time capable of doninating a womans emotions. These men knew how to do it because they lived violent lives. When your life is violent, you become a violent man and through romance a man showed his restraint towards a woman - but there was always that element of violence that was hidden beneath the surface, always striving to bubble forth and sometimes the violence would come forth (drama women crave) and the women would be overwhelmed by the intensity of his emotion satisfying her feelz. He would own her like an animal and he was incapable of fearing her because he faced far more danger everyday - if she wished to leave he would hardly notice (or kill her) which to women was also tintillating. This is lost in the modern world.
Thats why a guy who cultivates a bit of an edge is so successful in the modern world.
thewrecker8 5y ago
True romantic love possible? I don't know there's such a thing honestly. There's too many factors involved to make it realistic over the long term. People naturally tend to change over time. For example the things you liked when you were 10 aren't the same when you're 20. Same thing 20-30 etc. Men tend to believe it because for one thing most of our grandparents and great grandparents were together forever. Met as kids married at 20 and were together until death.
Secondly guys with relatively normal childhoods first female relationship was with their mother. And a womans child is about the only thing she'll love unconditionally. Mom always took care of you and will until she's no longer around. So we seek that in a partner, another woman who no matter what has your back. In reality women love conditionally. As long as she feels you're protecting and providing and she respects you she'll stay. There's countless examples of guys getting injured and the like and they're wives leave them after a certain period of time which is usually when it's apparent to her that the man she married isn't the same because he's bedridden or unable to continue his career and her lifestyle changes for the worse.
Lastly is Hollywood, basically every movie ever made that has a man and woman as the main characters show them somehow falling in love and living happily ever after. Toss in the media and general stereotypes pushed on men about "being a man" and "doing the right thing" with regards to women have been programmed into guys since we were children.
FINDTHESUN 5y ago
Thanks for your reply, that very much clarified some things for me.
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[deleted] 5y ago
Way to drop a red pill on Dumbo.
RightHandWolf 5y ago
Wait a minute . . . you mean cartoon stuff isn't real? I should give up on finding Jessica Rabbit? Time to put my head in the oven . . . a Kenner^® Easy-Bake oven.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Google the max land speed of both coyotes and roadrunners.
Your entire childhood was a lie.
RightHandWolf 5y ago
Mommy! Uncle Vasya is violating my safe space and hurting muh feewings! Make him stop! /s
[deleted] 5y ago
That's one way for the light to come on.
.....and we're both tagged for being the over 40 y/o dudes we are.
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reluctantly_red 5y ago
You can't even buy the incandescent light bulb for those things anymore.
[deleted] 5y ago
I prefer mercury with my pi.
RightHandWolf 5y ago
Sssshhhh . . . you're scaring the Chadawans.
Managicall 5y ago
Shills whom are 'try-hard' would sleep with anything if locked in a room long enough. They promote Conformists (The rich females of society) whom through apathy have no love because they are quitters all the same. Disrespect the Risk and therefor devalue the Reward.
The female imperative psychologically seems to be removing the behavior pattern of DARVO, the 'motherfuckers' of society. That is what is also implied as being blue pill. So in short the three letters in PUA should be a three pronged attack upon said pattern.
anusbomber 5y ago
Bertrand Russell was a literal cuckold.
lala_xyyz 5y ago
I don't know why you're being down voted but that's true. He had an open marriage and his wife was banging other dudes.