Female students, knowing that they may have to repeat their allegations under oath in open court, may think carefully before bringing any unfounded charges
You mean actually demanding that the hamster stands behinds its allegations? Just because they both start with the letter "R", rape and regret are not one in the same.
Female students may think carefully because they are scared of testifying man. I support TRP but I think that in many cases, men need to take some fucking RESPONSIBILITY as the one with the dick. Regret is pretty close to the realization that "I was drunk, I was not thinking clearly."
This idea that men are being rampantly accused of rapes that did not occur is disgusting and detrimental to our cause.
how many drunk guys sleep with fat chicks and then wake up all embarrassed about how stupid that was? was it rape? let's face some simple fucking truths, women aren't lined up to fuck any decent looking guy with a dick. men are lined up to fuck any decent looking woman with a vagina. women need to take some fucking responsibility. they have all the power when it comes to casual sex. they have the power to say yes, and the power to say no, and the power to ask some random stranger to kick your ass, and to ask your school to kick you out. men are damned near powerless in these situations. women need to woman up, and take responsibility for their actions. no means no. being silent does not mean no. fucking speak up for fucks sake, grow some tits and say no if you don't want to have sex.
The phrases "one in the same" and "one and the same" aren't one and the same. Let's tear down the patriarchy with good knowledge of the nuances of the English language,
Personally, I've always said that people who think we're heading into a Orwellian dystopia are wrong, we're heading towards a Kafkaesque dystopia. The phrase "if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear", is from his play The Trial. The fact that serious people (including politicians and journalists) say this in defense of policies that take our rights away, without the slightest hint of irony has always completely confounded me.
We're living in a society, where an accusation can ruin your life. Even in instances where the accusation isn't of a crime. You can be accused of offending common morality and lose your job, accused of date rape by a private institution and lose your education...
Great business environment, non-intrusive government, easy to get residence/ work permit, friendly to foreigners, relatively developed, strong economy, solid property rights, minimal socialist idiocy.
About damn time. Entitlement's getting killed everywhere. Now if only we could get rid of the underrepresented minority business at universities, grad schools, med schools, and law schools and go back to judging people based off of their actual qualifications instead of color.
The Universities of California demonstrate what would happen if race is actually not a factor. Asians make up about 15% of the California population but make up something like 40% of the student body at these schools.
By placing a severe penalty on Asians, some researchers estimate at about 100-150 SAT points at the top schools, the Asians have actually done far better than other races because they know that being "average" would actually mean that they will be viewed as severely below average after then penalty. The joke is that the Asian tiger parents get severely disappointed when the Asian kid doesn't get an A. The truth is that society does not accept Asians getting B's, and the Asians recognize it which is why they study so hard and it is why the parents pressure them so much. Tack on a 150 point SAT penalty, and the B student becomes a C student.
whatever nomenclature you want to use we're still blaming slavery for holding people back and using it to give others a free pass when it's been over forever.
Well schools have no business discriminating against students based on accusations alone.
What feminists wanted was the law changed to grant them special favour but the principles of the law where innocence is presumed until guilt is proved doesn't fit their narrative, so they have to target places that can cause a practical problem for men, it's gaining a lot of the same power over men without it being codified in law.
Of course we still should be afforded legal protection from this all which is where we'll start to see the problem of accusations without evidence come in to play, and the legal backlash for that.
Hopefully we'll see some women making false accusations sued, we'll see the educational institutions sued and it will become to painful to maintain and be pulled through fear of the repercussions.
Then women who want to make false accusations have to go the legal system which is where this sort of issue should REALLY be taken and they can face proper scrutiny before someone elses life is torn to pieces.
Trial by combat does exist. It is what happens when a guy gets jumped by white knights after a girl accuses him of something. It might not be sexual assault, it could be as simple as her getting her feelings hurt.
Women don't have to deal with "trial by combat" in the U.S., which is why feminists don't give a fuck about due process or a right to a fair trial. I wonder what their opinions are about vigilante justice in the middle east where women can be victims of acid attacks if they are accused of adultery.
Acid attacks are more for women who learn without the approval of their family/husband... Adultery is traditionally dealt with by stoning (as in throwing rocks at the woman, not smoking weed)
This is a positive step forward in terms of 'leveling the playing field' but I just get the disheartening feeling that this theme of "girl accuses guy of rape/'rapist' sues", is going to become fairly commonplace in US Universities.
It will do nothing whatsoever to help male/female relations, but unfortunately this is the grave that extreme feminists have dug for the both of us.
This disallows women to accuse men of rape with impunity in university settings. This can only be good for male-female relations, since it evens an unjust power dynamic.
I just get the disheartening feeling that this theme of "girl accuses guy of rape/'rapist' sues", is going to become fairly commonplace in US Universities.
If these universities quit having kangaroo courts it will never happen.
They're throwing men a crumb at the ladies banquet. It's a victory, yes, but there are overwhelming amounts of laws still in place relative to this that offset this to the point of near invalidation. I treat this with suspicion more than optimism.
I feel like that would be almost all of them. I go to a large public research university and even here feminists control everything. We have slut pride marches, "Vagina Monologues" showings, freshman orientations where guys are taught that raping people is bad, and a well established feminazi/"multicultural" curriculum in most humanities departments.
When women lose their value, at the wall and more men swallow TheRedPill ....and go more alpha or MGTOW our society will come to a screeching halt as the pussy inflation bubble pops.
Exactly, the president at my alma mater recently just said that completely ending sexual assaults is not a realistic goal. Immediately everyone jumped down her throat for stating the obvious and now the pendulum is starting to swing towards giving rape education to everyone.
completely ending sexual assaults is not a realistic goal
Especially when the definition of "sexual assault" is so loose and you have thirsty sluts drunkenly parading about in their underwear Thursday through Saturday night.
I think we need to ramp up what feminists call "victim blaming." I'm sure rape allegations would drop drastically if girls learned that an unattractive guy looking at you the wrong way doesn't constitute harassment, and that dressing like a prostitute and begging for sex will obviously lead to regret and unwanted attention.
This is the college level. I wonder how long it until this level of thinking reaches high school and grammar school. When it does, school will be hell for boys at every level.
What should be happening on campuses is that if there is a rape, there should be an independent police agency these cases should be referred to. Either the town, county or state police. They should perform all the investigations and refer cases to the appropriate prosecutor.
Colleges and Universities are simply not equipped to adjudicate sexual assault. Their proceeding are designed to adjudicate matters such as cheating, drinking on campus/dorms, classroom conduct issues and so forth. Nearly all of these proceedings are designed such that evidence provided by an authority figure (RA, professor, staff) are all that is needed to action to be taken. With this slant in mind, a female accuser in a he-said-she-said case will be at a significant advantage and the accused at a significant disadvantage.
As we learned from Sandusky and Penn State, that when the college has a vested interest in the case on either side, the college will side with the route that causes them the least harm.
Having colleges adjudicate sexual assault will lead to bad outcomes for all. In most cases, colleges will not want to damage the future of the accused, and will not want to have high numbers of sexual assaults on campus so they will be very resistant to taking action in he-said-she-said cases. On the flip side, where something was borderline, or if the college/university doesn't like a particular campus organization (e.g. a fraternity), it is almost guaranteed that these rape accusations will be used as ammunition to shut down some fraternities. Thus, there will be young men swept up and labelled a rapist for questionable, but not illegal behavior simply as ammunition to shut down a fraternity.
At least with this ruling, there will be consequences for false allegations. However, due to the nature of how rape allegations work, the accused will be guilty until proven innocent and the legal recourse will likely be too little too late.
Colleges and Universities are simply not equipped to adjudicate sexual assault.
I don't understand how this even started. As if they are qualified to try cases of felony behavior. They don't have the knowledge or the resources to do a proper investigation and discern the facts in a legal manner. It's the height of stupidity IMO
I think having a voice recording to cover your ass is a good idea. Have the app running while the screen on the cellphone is off, and get her to say a few things to make it understood that it is mutual.
First the Supreme Court takes down affirmative action, and now this? It's like judicial Christmas or something! The government is finally doing the right thing for once.
AA doesn't help the people who really need it. It helps people who would have done well regardless and ends up hurting the ones who need help. If you really want to help the people who need it then you'd be better off investing in public schools and abolishing AA. Ultimately this is a socio-economic issue, not a racial one.
Affirmative Action basically says because you have some trait (vagina, different skin color, wheelchair, whatever) that you deserve more chances or a lower bar. Except that all it does is encourage mediocrity among those individuals.
Some people are not in a position to better themselves and need someone to pull them up.
I reject this. This is same the shifting of personal responsibility from the individual to "society" that underlies feminism and all the other bullshit leftist philosophies I hate.
I'll admit that we're all advantaged, and disadvantaged, in different ways, but that doesn't mean I should bow down before other people until we're all on the same level. For me, equality isn't about making sure a school is 50% female or hires 10% blacks or whatever. As long as there's no rule that says, for example, "no blacks allowed," that's equal enough. They have the opportunity to get in if they work hard and earn it, same as us.
If you counter, "but they come from bad neighborhoods and go to bad schools," well that's just life. I wasn't born into some rich family either, but since I'm a white guy no one cares about me, no one is helping me out.
It's actually not quite as simple as I made it sound. They upheld a Michigan law that banned affirmative action. So while they didn't declare AA unconstitutional or anything, they established a precedent for other states to follow in getting rid of it. As a white guy applying to University of Michigan's law school, I'm thrilled.
I love what Arkansas Law does. If you get over the index score derived from a GPA and LSAT formula, you're in. No personal statements, no letters of recommendation, none of that shit unless you didn't get indexed in.
[Totally off topic with this]
Harvard used to accept people this way - but too many Jews were getting in and spoiling the WASP club. Subjective entrance requirements were instated to keep minorities out of the Ivy League. Affirmative Action is subjective requirements to do the opposite. Crazy world, isn't it?
As a white guy applying to University of Michigan's law school, I'm thrilled.
Yep, no more excuses from white men who fail to get accepted to their dream school. The uneducated, undeserving minority bogeyman will no longer exist.
Unfortunately now that I'm thinking about, it might not apply to the law school. It might only be for colleges.
Affirmative action is a HUGE problem in law school admissions. If you don't believe me, go look up the extremely low numbers a "URM" can get into top schools with. The average black guy can get into Harvard with the same numbers that would have a white guy rejected from Duke.
Yes! I know a black kid who got a full ride scholarship even though he scored 300 points lower than me on the SAT. And shit, the football players probably don't even know how to spell "SAT," yet they go to school for free!
After years of feminists screaming that rape is on pair with murder and should be punished as such, I can't for the life of me understand why they accept rape to be treated simply as a "Breach of school rules" instead of an actual crime.
Rape is a serious matter and those kangaroo courts should never have existed to begin with. Rape should be dealt with my the criminal system.
That's easy. This was never about combating rape, or advocating for victims or anything like that. This was always about using any means available to harm men and concentrate power in the hands of Feminists and overly feminized men.
Think about the scope of things the way that they have been going. Think about how may men have had their lives and reputations ruined by these accusations. This is very clearly a power thing.
Seriously, why is fast tracking expulsion and libel seen as a good thing by colleges? Who does this help? I think it keeps things quiet and quick to avoid scandal and keep the money flowing.
I think this is more than just a men's rights win, it might be the start of something bigger.
There's no way feminists are going to accept this decision. They're going to rally and scream and cry as usual, but the ones who can actually afford to do so are going to appeal this decision. The supreme court is going to have to decide once and for all whether or not women can just say rape after regretting a one night stand, because that's what this decision is effectively nullifying.
If the law stands, the collective hamster is probably going to break down completely. Women will have lost a powerful too for fucking men over (Inside and outside of court). Men will finally have a tool to use against them (Oh, I raped you? Let's go to court then). The only problem I see with this is the number of ACTUAL rape not going to court, because men will basically be able to sue their victim out of existence.
If it doesn't, America has finally admitted women are not capable of making their own decisions and should not be given responsibility. All those who are American citizens, good fight.
Women will have lost a powerful too for fucking men over (Inside and outside of court).
The problem lies entirely on the female gender thinking in terms of personal power rather than societal power. When you abuse a power too much you end up losing said power.
You can look at recent history to see examples... Terrorism worked well for a short period after 9/11... Child Porn worked good until recently when people realized the tools to handle it are already there and we're just signing away our rights under the guise of protecting children. Same with sexual assault... when rape culture became a thing rape accusations both real and false began losing their power.
The only problem I see with this is the number of ACTUAL rape not going to court, because men will basically be able to sue their victim out of existence.
This ruling only seems to concern university courts. If a woman is raped she should report it to the police not the university.
Bingo. If it is rape, go to the police and press charges there. I realize some cops in small university towns are loathe to move on rape cases, especially with athletes, but this is the only fair route.
Conversely, if women start reporting "regret sex" and "drunk sex" as rapes, it will do a lot of damage to cases of women who were actually raped. In other words, the feminist "rape culture" on campuses, if pushed forward, will ensure that innocent men are permanently punished for essentially nothing, while actual criminal rapists will be able to victim blame more easily and get off. It is essentially counterproductive.
Where it will be most counter productive are cases where actual date rape occurs. Before you get negative, I know what the difference between "regret sex", "drunk sex" and "date rape" are. For better or worse, there are criminals on college campuses that rape those they know. Date rape is NOT when Bobby and Sally take too many shots of tequila and end up in the sack together. As in the population as a whole, there are criminal men AND women who will use whatever means possible to rape. Fortunately there are few or none of these men AND women on college campuses. There is NOT a rape culture that gives the men passes (men don't discuss being raped by and large), and these rapists, both men and women, should be arrested and prosecuted. The number of these occurrences on most college campuses is relatively low (likely less than a handful per year) considering the amount of risky behavior women partake in. From my understanding, it is really hard to prosecute rapes, especially date rapes, and this will make things worse, not to mention the fact that is effectively impossible to prosecute the rape of a man by a woman.
I know what the difference between "regret sex", "drunk sex" and "date rape" are. For better or worse, there are criminals on college campuses that rape those they know. Date rape is NOT when Bobby and Sally take too many shots of tequila and end up in the sack together.
As Martin Amis has said "a woman can change her mind before sex, even during sex, but not after sex" (though I'd say that "even during sex" is already stretching it)
The only problem I see with this is the number of ACTUAL rape not going to court, because men will basically be able to sue their victim out of existence.
The men accused of rape are unlikely to sue the woman, but instead they will go after the university. A whole lot more money to make from big money than a singular person. Because of this, most unis will likely just drop their pseudo-courts and refer the plaintiff to the legal system and the police to protect themselves from being sued.
I don't see how allowing men to sue their accusers really solves anything. If we a have a fair justice system (which we don't but strive toward) then the accuser wont lose in court unless there is conclusive proof she lied. If there is conclusive proof she lied, she'd lose in court with or without this ruling.
Regardless, I'm very excited by the prospect of students getting to sue their universities. Universities that punish students for rape without proof deserve to be torn asunder. I just wish the courts would finally revoke this "she was drunk so it's rape" bullshit. If she gave consent, it's not rape. End of story.
Yes, but punishing an accuser without proof that she lied is no better than punishing an accused rapist without proof that he did it. It should, however, be illegal for law enforcement agencies to give any sort of information to the media about suspects until the person is convicted. Popular opinion doesn't follow the precept of innocent until proven guilty. To ensure, that the law actually acts as innocent until proven guilty we need to shield accused criminals from public opinion until they are actually convicted.
It's very hard to prove slander or libel. The burden of proof is on the Plaintiff. I think those Duke lacrosse boys could meet the burden. I don't think there was a kangaroo court there.
I think I get the essential message of the article, which is that women who go to university "courts" in order to exact their demented version of justice will have to actually go to a public court of law in order to get a more solid result. This ruling effectively gives men the ability to sue a school for a false conviction (provided he can prove it was false I assume?).
I just want to make sure that I've got the points of the article down straight - I've never been good at interpreting legal-ese and I welcome alternative interpretations/corrections.
there isn't a massive witch hunt against men. what there is, is individuals who exploit the system as petty vengeance. sleep with a vindictive girl's best friend and she can push a false rape claim to get you kicked out of school so she doesn't have to look at you. that is the problem. its not a massive witch hunt, it is individual women who abuse the system in order to enact their own fucked up version of personal justice. they destroy men who might be assholes but haven't actually raped them.
if you think this is as uncommon as falsely reporting a burglary than you just haven't really thought about how mean some women are. men aren't afraid of honest decent women, they are afraid of a vindictive bitch that passes herself off as an honest decent woman. some women can't handle being dumped and they will key cars, destroy property, spread lies, and press false rape accusations. not all women are like this, but some women are, and men are generally powerless against them.
Hi. I'm an attorney. You got it for the most part. It's more about what rights a student who has been convicted in a university court has. For starters, a university court is not a real court. Thus, you can allege that remarks made about you were defamatory. Normally, remarks made about you during a judicial proceeding are "privileged." But they're not privileged in the university court because like I fucking said (like the real judge found) a university court is not a real court. Second, everyone is potentially liable for defamation in the university court proceedings. The school, the girl, everybody. Also, a whole bunch of other tortious claims will be allowed like interference with contract. Plaintiff lawyers will probably be happy with this precedent because it opens the door to sue big pocket universities for their imposter court systems. Schools now have two options if they don't want to be haled into federal court for a multitude of tortious claims that have now and will probably found to be non-frivolous: a)be really fucking careful or b) immediately cease and desist from conducting these non judicial proceedings.
This is beautiful. The university tribunals were an overreaction to being held liable for sexual assault and now the tribunals themselves have become a liability.
Is this only for rape accusations, or does it apply to all university "court" proceedings? Do you think it will in the future?
I mean the false rape accusation part is more relevant to TRP, but I think that these University court systems are an abomination. Sexual assault charges aren't the only things Universities try to screw people on if they just don't like you.
In my opinion the only thing Universities should be investigating is plagiarism and academic dishonesty charges, and anything that involves an actual law should be left to the courts. Maybe change the acceptance terms that the school can kick you out for any convictions, although I'm not sure if that's already possible..
Its not entirely a win for students though. Often the non-judicial proceedings are there to protect students from a criminal record over minor crimes(most student judicial hearings deal with drugs and alcohol).
Why do university courts even exist? Cant they just use a regular court? If someone is murdered at a university, you wouldn't take the accused to university court, so why do they do it in rape cases?
They can be useful for settling disputes where you don't want the police involved(drugs and alcohol) or academic violations(cheating).
If someone is murdered at a university, you wouldn't take the accused to university court, so why do they do it in rape cases?
Because the university court has a much lower burden of proof. Rape accusations absolutely should not be in a university court. They only get there because universities are scared of feminist groups calling them "soft on rape".
I imagine that universities want a place to resolve issues that involve violations of the student conduct code. They probably do have their own murder hearings. I wouldn't be surprised.
if they don't want to be haled into federal court for a multitude of tortious claims that have now and will probably found to be non-frivolous: a)be really fucking careful or b) immediately cease and desist from conducting these non judicial proceedings.
Tenable? Maybe. Invulnerable? Not by a long shot. Firstly, many states have statutes that do not allow a party to disclaim their tortious conduct through contract. Second, as many universities are state run institutions they're sorta obligated to provide a little thing guaranteed by the 14th amendment called procedural due process. Impeding that by contract is such a stupidly bad idea. Again, this falls into the category of something they'd better be really careful about.
I think the universities will add a clause into their entrance application that requires students to accept their fake courts and sign away their legal rights to do any of this federal court faffery in the future.
It very easily falls into the realm of making that clause and possibly the whole contract unconscionable. Which basically means noone in their right mind would sign away those rights.
Plaintiff lawyers will probably be happy with this precedent because it opens the door to sue big pocket universities for their imposter court systems.
The fact that this went unnoticed for so long is further evidence that the ability to study law and having good business acumen are mutually exclusive traits.
I think you have to understand that by now in most western liberal democracies there has been an extreme divergence between feminism and women's rights.
THIS. I hate this bullshit argument of NAFALT when someone uses the word "generally".
It's not an all encompassing term.
As the chick in that video clearly stated and many of us know, there aren't many/any feminist loudly condemning their hate speech. That's the same as supporting it.
But there are a shit ton of feminists who don't wear that title as a badge...
In other words, NAFALT because there might be secret feminists who defy the general trend? That's an unfalsifiable claim, and should be absurd for obvious reasons.
Don't expect any justice for the falsely accused, though! Remember, shit lords, 1 out of every 1 womyn are raped, but only 1 in 1,000,000 ever report it, and out of those accusations only 1 in 1bn result in a criminal conviction. Out of those real rapes, only like, 1 in 1gpx is a false account. Way lower than other crimes! It's like one false accusation on Planet Earth, ever... and that guy should go to jail for the rest of his life anyway, because he probably thought about doing it.
Falsely accusing someone of rape is definitely an injustice, but I feel that depicting men as the victims of some kind of crusade of false rape accusations is...disgusting. I am a male, and supporter of TRP.
I can't believe that you guys don't think that women need support after sexual assault. I don't claim that every accusation of rape is warranted, but come on....do you guys REALLY think that men are being persecuted in this way? Come on
Guys are afraid because any of us could be the victim of a fake rape allegation, and there is almost nothing we can do to fight back against it. Even if you aren't convicted, your name will be in the newspapers and internet. Nobody wants to hire a suspected rapist or be friends with a suspected rapist.
I can understand that, but I still think the odds are staked in OUR favor. Rape is rape, there is no such thing as 'date-rape' or 'we were drunk and they wanted it,' all of these situations can be avoided.
Blatant lying about a rape is one thing, but I fear that this issue is just another cudgel for TRP men to solidify their ideas that we're fighitng some kind of revolution against women taking over.
We need gender EQUALITY, for everyone, not just men. That means no to extreme feminism and no to patriarchy at the same time
The answer for university males is simple: boycott university females. Date solely outside the population of the school. Don't date them, live with them, touch them, or even look in their general direction. If university women are so worried about being raped, then the men should just ostracize them from any and all potential sexual situations on campus. Only interact with non-student women, and only off campus. That way, any rape charges will be handled by the agency that should be handling it, and that's local law enforcement. I don't know what it is about a university environment that sparks all of this "rape" talk, at a level so much higher than any other facet of society.
I suppose it could be...depends on the campus I guess. I went to a school with pretty close access to a large city, with a good population of non-student females.
Who says the patriarchy has to win... All those 500 pound lard asses are eating themselves into an early grave everytime they bust open a Costco sized box of cookies for a meal.
Got into something like that to with 2 submissions :/ However... being targeted by the downvote brigade is somewhat of an achievement mark. It must mean you realy hit something sore...
for every dozen that never come forward 6 of them are men. and for all those swept under the rug, imagine how easy that is when "forced to penetrate" doesn't count as rape. before you go saying that a man can't get erect and be raped, consider this, if a woman gets wet does that mean she wasn't raped?
Some women even have reported to have orgasms during rape this must be double consent , so orgasm, and/or wetness = consent if hard = consent. Sounds like equality to me lol
I'm new to the redpill and I don't know much about the way things work in America. But what's the deal with the false rape accusations? I mean surely, it can ruin your image but you can't go to jail if it really was consensual? The girl needs to prove that it was rape, right? There needs to be signs of violence or something like that, no?
Why do you think they have rape shield laws which enable prosecutors to not have to have the accuser into the court room or bring up anything about her past...
Personally I find past behavior a very important aspect in rape accusations. If she's got a history of false accusations that needs to be addressed as well as past behavior indicating promiscuity. Sluts are less likely to be raped and more likely to have 'buyers remorse' type deals where they regret the sex the next morning.
In a criminal court - Yes in theory. Though a lying slut can sure do a number on a jury when she dresses up real nice with thick stockings and butter wouldnt melt smart clothes, throwing a few tears into the mix never hurt either.
The issue here is that alleged campus rapes arent being investigated by the police and persued to criminal trials, because half the time theres zero evidence for the police to act on, so the universities started implementing kangaroo courts of other students, and conducting "Trials" on allegations. Problem being theyre not legit courts, as such you have no due process rights, no right to representation and the standard of evidence required to find guilty is the civil court standard (Preponderance of evidence, basically 50.000001%) rather than the criminal standard (Beyond all reasonable doubt).
Only upside is, as you say, you cant go to jail for this. But what can happen is you can be thrown out of university, fees not refunded, have the "Conviction" recorded on your academic record so no other university will take you either, and generally spend the rest of your life not having the career you worked hard for because someone regretted some drunk sex, or wanted to make an excuse for herself.
Jesus, so basically your career is in the hands of some people that have nothing to do with the law. I'm from Eastern Europe (Romania) and if you would have asked me what I thought about life here a year ago I would've told you that it is pretty shitty. The level of corruption is so damn high and only a very small percentage of the population can say that is living a good lifestyle. Most are poor as fuck.
But after awhile I started to be grateful that it could've been much worse. I could've been born in India, Bangladesh or some African country. And after lurking for some weeks on redpill and seeing all these things like crazy ass feminists, fat acceptance movement and false rape accusations everywhere I'm starting to be grateful I wasn't born in Western Europe or the United States.
The West seems pretty sad at least from where I'm standing without first hand experience at least. In Eastern Europe you can still find beautiful girls that are still virgins until their 19 or 20. Not a lot obviously but it still says something. Patriarchy still plays an important role and there are decent amount of redpilled guys. Adding the fact that the girls are absolutely gorgeous, from a redpill point of view, Eastern Europe can be pretty damn awesome.
"Also, the court ruled that the mere fact that the tribunal found that the male student had committed the wrongful act complained of was not conclusive as to his guilt or innocence, and did not shield the female complainant from this type of legal liability."
So apparently, even if you actually commit rape in Virginia, you can still sue anyone who attempts to hold you to account for it. I see a rape epidemic in your future Virginia, but with a name like that maybe it's appropriate.
So apparently, even if you actually commit rape in Virginia, you can still sue anyone who attempts to hold you to account for it.
No, dumbass, it's talking about if the school's "court" finds you guilty, you can still sue the female complainant. What you quoted had nothing to do with the actual legal system.
You can't see how being able to suit someone for the damage they caused to your life, by reporting the criminal sexual act you committed, might be used in an intimidating way? o.O
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
You mean actually demanding that the hamster stands behinds its allegations? Just because they both start with the letter "R", rape and regret are not one in the same.
AutomaticJack320 9y ago
Female students may think carefully because they are scared of testifying man. I support TRP but I think that in many cases, men need to take some fucking RESPONSIBILITY as the one with the dick. Regret is pretty close to the realization that "I was drunk, I was not thinking clearly."
This idea that men are being rampantly accused of rapes that did not occur is disgusting and detrimental to our cause.
greycloud24 9y ago
how many drunk guys sleep with fat chicks and then wake up all embarrassed about how stupid that was? was it rape? let's face some simple fucking truths, women aren't lined up to fuck any decent looking guy with a dick. men are lined up to fuck any decent looking woman with a vagina. women need to take some fucking responsibility. they have all the power when it comes to casual sex. they have the power to say yes, and the power to say no, and the power to ask some random stranger to kick your ass, and to ask your school to kick you out. men are damned near powerless in these situations. women need to woman up, and take responsibility for their actions. no means no. being silent does not mean no. fucking speak up for fucks sake, grow some tits and say no if you don't want to have sex.
mrmrchoice 9y ago
The phrases "one in the same" and "one and the same" aren't one and the same. Let's tear down the patriarchy with good knowledge of the nuances of the English language,
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Two in the same sounds like a porn movie
mrmrchoice 9y ago
Or a good result
Mikesapien 9y ago
'One in the same' sounds like a weirder porn movie.
a-memorable-fancy 9y ago
Isn't one in the same just monogamy?
Mikesapien 9y ago
One in the same would be one in itself, so no.
TRPsubmitter 9y ago
You know a society has become broken when it allows someone to accuse another of a crime without even having to substantiate their claim under oath.
MrDaddy 9y ago
Personally, I've always said that people who think we're heading into a Orwellian dystopia are wrong, we're heading towards a Kafkaesque dystopia. The phrase "if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear", is from his play The Trial. The fact that serious people (including politicians and journalists) say this in defense of policies that take our rights away, without the slightest hint of irony has always completely confounded me.
We're living in a society, where an accusation can ruin your life. Even in instances where the accusation isn't of a crime. You can be accused of offending common morality and lose your job, accused of date rape by a private institution and lose your education...
TRPsubmitter 9y ago
One more reason why I choose to live in a society where this doesn't happen (I don't live in America anymore).
biffsocko 9y ago
where did you go?
[deleted] 9y ago
Likely Filipina land or Brazil or Chile.
I've got plans to head that way myself.=)
SwimmingDutch 9y ago
I have read about The Phillipines and Brazil before, I am curious why you included Chile. Could you elaborate on this a bit?
johnniegreen 9y ago
Great business environment, non-intrusive government, easy to get residence/ work permit, friendly to foreigners, relatively developed, strong economy, solid property rights, minimal socialist idiocy.
There are more. There's a lot to like.
tylerthecreature424 9y ago
About damn time. Entitlement's getting killed everywhere. Now if only we could get rid of the underrepresented minority business at universities, grad schools, med schools, and law schools and go back to judging people based off of their actual qualifications instead of color.
through_a_ways 9y ago
We still don't judge people based on color, as evidenced by the conspicuous lack of "Asian/Indian American" on any Affirmative Action policy.
We judge based on political expediency.
noblepaladin 9y ago
The Universities of California demonstrate what would happen if race is actually not a factor. Asians make up about 15% of the California population but make up something like 40% of the student body at these schools.
By placing a severe penalty on Asians, some researchers estimate at about 100-150 SAT points at the top schools, the Asians have actually done far better than other races because they know that being "average" would actually mean that they will be viewed as severely below average after then penalty. The joke is that the Asian tiger parents get severely disappointed when the Asian kid doesn't get an A. The truth is that society does not accept Asians getting B's, and the Asians recognize it which is why they study so hard and it is why the parents pressure them so much. Tack on a 150 point SAT penalty, and the B student becomes a C student.
HitlersCow 9y ago
Supply and demand.
tylerthecreature424 9y ago
whatever nomenclature you want to use we're still blaming slavery for holding people back and using it to give others a free pass when it's been over forever.
Gstreetshit 9y ago
Stefen Molynuex destroys this argument with cold hard logic.
through_a_ways 9y ago
Yes, that's where the blame gets placed, and where the justification comes from. But that's not the reason affirmative action exists.
tylerthecreature424 9y ago
elaborate further and when's affirmative action going to exist for white males when they become minorities?
Gstreetshit 9y ago
I'm thinking it was actually started to keep minorities out of Ivy League schools.
EvilNando 9y ago
cant wait to see what happens
AnotherLostCause 9y ago
The question is, how big will the settlements be?
[deleted] 9y ago
Punishment should be jail until hitting the wall. Get out have a shitty life and be frustrated to no end.
FrostyGoingHisOwnWay 9y ago
Well schools have no business discriminating against students based on accusations alone.
What feminists wanted was the law changed to grant them special favour but the principles of the law where innocence is presumed until guilt is proved doesn't fit their narrative, so they have to target places that can cause a practical problem for men, it's gaining a lot of the same power over men without it being codified in law.
Of course we still should be afforded legal protection from this all which is where we'll start to see the problem of accusations without evidence come in to play, and the legal backlash for that.
Hopefully we'll see some women making false accusations sued, we'll see the educational institutions sued and it will become to painful to maintain and be pulled through fear of the repercussions.
Then women who want to make false accusations have to go the legal system which is where this sort of issue should REALLY be taken and they can face proper scrutiny before someone elses life is torn to pieces.
_grump 9y ago
This is a big win
Venividivixii 9y ago
This is amazing news. I was starting to get depressed at the number of kangaroo courts popping up at universities. Awesome!!!
3toss 9y ago
Best thing I've heard in years.
Party_Liquor 9y ago
The rad fems are going to go fucking crazy over this...I love it!
deville05 9y ago
But I want..... TRIAL BY COMBAT!!
johnnight 9y ago
Easy there, Halfman...
noblepaladin 9y ago
Trial by combat does exist. It is what happens when a guy gets jumped by white knights after a girl accuses him of something. It might not be sexual assault, it could be as simple as her getting her feelings hurt.
Women don't have to deal with "trial by combat" in the U.S., which is why feminists don't give a fuck about due process or a right to a fair trial. I wonder what their opinions are about vigilante justice in the middle east where women can be victims of acid attacks if they are accused of adultery.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Acid attacks are more for women who learn without the approval of their family/husband... Adultery is traditionally dealt with by stoning (as in throwing rocks at the woman, not smoking weed)
bradyo2 9y ago
This is a positive step forward in terms of 'leveling the playing field' but I just get the disheartening feeling that this theme of "girl accuses guy of rape/'rapist' sues", is going to become fairly commonplace in US Universities.
It will do nothing whatsoever to help male/female relations, but unfortunately this is the grave that extreme feminists have dug for the both of us.
Mikesapien 9y ago
This disallows women to accuse men of rape with impunity in university settings. This can only be good for male-female relations, since it evens an unjust power dynamic.
Gstreetshit 9y ago
If these universities quit having kangaroo courts it will never happen.
bradyo2 9y ago
What the hell is a Kangaroo court?
Gstreetshit 9y ago
You are connected to the internet, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court
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biffsocko 9y ago
and .. progress for the mens movement. Good stuff.
Meatclap 9y ago
They're throwing men a crumb at the ladies banquet. It's a victory, yes, but there are overwhelming amounts of laws still in place relative to this that offset this to the point of near invalidation. I treat this with suspicion more than optimism.
General_Fear 9y ago
The Red Pill/ MGTOW community should create a blacklist and boycott schools that are misandric.
ibuprofiend 9y ago
I feel like that would be almost all of them. I go to a large public research university and even here feminists control everything. We have slut pride marches, "Vagina Monologues" showings, freshman orientations where guys are taught that raping people is bad, and a well established feminazi/"multicultural" curriculum in most humanities departments.
[deleted] 9y ago
*shudder*
When women lose their value, at the wall and more men swallow TheRedPill ....and go more alpha or MGTOW our society will come to a screeching halt as the pussy inflation bubble pops.
nsummy 9y ago
Exactly, the president at my alma mater recently just said that completely ending sexual assaults is not a realistic goal. Immediately everyone jumped down her throat for stating the obvious and now the pendulum is starting to swing towards giving rape education to everyone.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/university-head-criticized-over-sex-assault-remark
ibuprofiend 9y ago
Especially when the definition of "sexual assault" is so loose and you have thirsty sluts drunkenly parading about in their underwear Thursday through Saturday night.
I think we need to ramp up what feminists call "victim blaming." I'm sure rape allegations would drop drastically if girls learned that an unattractive guy looking at you the wrong way doesn't constitute harassment, and that dressing like a prostitute and begging for sex will obviously lead to regret and unwanted attention.
General_Fear 9y ago
This is the college level. I wonder how long it until this level of thinking reaches high school and grammar school. When it does, school will be hell for boys at every level.
ibuprofiend 9y ago
Probably not long. The people who will teach this generation of boys are currently college sluts riding the cock carrousel and learning feminism.
everyone_wins 9y ago
Society as a whole is more or less misandric, and said boycott is well underway in case you haven't noticed.
General_Fear 9y ago
Nope have not noticed because I have not been in college for years.
When I read about male college students quitting school because they can't stand the hostile campus environment, something has to be done.
everyone_wins 9y ago
College is worthless these days anyway so it's probably best that it's hostile for men.
[deleted] 9y ago
You forgot the "TRIGGER WARNING"
_and_a_PhD 9y ago
What should be happening on campuses is that if there is a rape, there should be an independent police agency these cases should be referred to. Either the town, county or state police. They should perform all the investigations and refer cases to the appropriate prosecutor.
Colleges and Universities are simply not equipped to adjudicate sexual assault. Their proceeding are designed to adjudicate matters such as cheating, drinking on campus/dorms, classroom conduct issues and so forth. Nearly all of these proceedings are designed such that evidence provided by an authority figure (RA, professor, staff) are all that is needed to action to be taken. With this slant in mind, a female accuser in a he-said-she-said case will be at a significant advantage and the accused at a significant disadvantage.
As we learned from Sandusky and Penn State, that when the college has a vested interest in the case on either side, the college will side with the route that causes them the least harm.
Having colleges adjudicate sexual assault will lead to bad outcomes for all. In most cases, colleges will not want to damage the future of the accused, and will not want to have high numbers of sexual assaults on campus so they will be very resistant to taking action in he-said-she-said cases. On the flip side, where something was borderline, or if the college/university doesn't like a particular campus organization (e.g. a fraternity), it is almost guaranteed that these rape accusations will be used as ammunition to shut down some fraternities. Thus, there will be young men swept up and labelled a rapist for questionable, but not illegal behavior simply as ammunition to shut down a fraternity.
At least with this ruling, there will be consequences for false allegations. However, due to the nature of how rape allegations work, the accused will be guilty until proven innocent and the legal recourse will likely be too little too late.
Gstreetshit 9y ago
I don't understand how this even started. As if they are qualified to try cases of felony behavior. They don't have the knowledge or the resources to do a proper investigation and discern the facts in a legal manner. It's the height of stupidity IMO
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Gstreetshit 9y ago
I hope
peoplemen start suing the ever living fuck out of them.Alpha2013 9y ago
This is huge.
silverfox007 9y ago
I think having a voice recording to cover your ass is a good idea. Have the app running while the screen on the cellphone is off, and get her to say a few things to make it understood that it is mutual.
ibuprofiend 9y ago
First the Supreme Court takes down affirmative action, and now this? It's like judicial Christmas or something! The government is finally doing the right thing for once.
Bigmachiavelli 9y ago
I understand that TRP is all about self-improvement, putting the onus on you to make yourself better.
Am I the only one here that is in support of AA? Some people are not in a position to better themselves and need someone to pull them up.
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AA doesn't help the people who really need it. It helps people who would have done well regardless and ends up hurting the ones who need help. If you really want to help the people who need it then you'd be better off investing in public schools and abolishing AA. Ultimately this is a socio-economic issue, not a racial one.
Here's a quick explanation from Thomas Sowell: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eUbOcgj8AjQ
femmefatale1 9y ago
Then support programs to help the poor afford college. Don't make it based on race or gender.
hc1218 9y ago
Affirmative action is literally institutionalized sexism and racism. It's a bogus gimmick.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Probably...
Affirmative Action basically says because you have some trait (vagina, different skin color, wheelchair, whatever) that you deserve more chances or a lower bar. Except that all it does is encourage mediocrity among those individuals.
Gstreetshit 9y ago
I don't support it in the slightest. I also don't like government, so there's that.
ibuprofiend 9y ago
I reject this. This is same the shifting of personal responsibility from the individual to "society" that underlies feminism and all the other bullshit leftist philosophies I hate.
I'll admit that we're all advantaged, and disadvantaged, in different ways, but that doesn't mean I should bow down before other people until we're all on the same level. For me, equality isn't about making sure a school is 50% female or hires 10% blacks or whatever. As long as there's no rule that says, for example, "no blacks allowed," that's equal enough. They have the opportunity to get in if they work hard and earn it, same as us.
If you counter, "but they come from bad neighborhoods and go to bad schools," well that's just life. I wasn't born into some rich family either, but since I'm a white guy no one cares about me, no one is helping me out.
greycloud24 9y ago
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140519160609.htm
learn some facts and rethink your position
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theecharon 9y ago
To be fair America lost hockey in the olympics. so no take backs
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[deleted] 9y ago
Whoah! When did they take down affirmative action?
ibuprofiend 9y ago
It's actually not quite as simple as I made it sound. They upheld a Michigan law that banned affirmative action. So while they didn't declare AA unconstitutional or anything, they established a precedent for other states to follow in getting rid of it. As a white guy applying to University of Michigan's law school, I'm thrilled.
bam2_89 9y ago
I love what Arkansas Law does. If you get over the index score derived from a GPA and LSAT formula, you're in. No personal statements, no letters of recommendation, none of that shit unless you didn't get indexed in.
ubrayj02 9y ago
[Totally off topic with this] Harvard used to accept people this way - but too many Jews were getting in and spoiling the WASP club. Subjective entrance requirements were instated to keep minorities out of the Ivy League. Affirmative Action is subjective requirements to do the opposite. Crazy world, isn't it?
bam2_89 9y ago
That's not off topic...and it's hilarious.
[deleted] 9y ago
Yep, no more excuses from white men who fail to get accepted to their dream school. The uneducated, undeserving minority bogeyman will no longer exist.
ibuprofiend 9y ago
Unfortunately now that I'm thinking about, it might not apply to the law school. It might only be for colleges.
Affirmative action is a HUGE problem in law school admissions. If you don't believe me, go look up the extremely low numbers a "URM" can get into top schools with. The average black guy can get into Harvard with the same numbers that would have a white guy rejected from Duke.
Dubba 9y ago
But... but... Bogeyman!
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ibuprofiend 9y ago
Yes! I know a black kid who got a full ride scholarship even though he scored 300 points lower than me on the SAT. And shit, the football players probably don't even know how to spell "SAT," yet they go to school for free!
BustaHymes 9y ago
Medical school is the same way. Keep that in mind when choosing your doctor.
Gstreetshit 9y ago
Unless of course they are Asian or Indian
BustaHymes 9y ago
the race quotas worked against Asians, so their test scores had to be extra high
Gstreetshit 9y ago
Yeah I know, that's why I said that. Not the case with Indians?
BustaHymes 9y ago
probably lumped in with Asians
FuriousMouse 9y ago
After years of feminists screaming that rape is on pair with murder and should be punished as such, I can't for the life of me understand why they accept rape to be treated simply as a "Breach of school rules" instead of an actual crime.
Rape is a serious matter and those kangaroo courts should never have existed to begin with. Rape should be dealt with my the criminal system.
[deleted] 9y ago
That's easy. This was never about combating rape, or advocating for victims or anything like that. This was always about using any means available to harm men and concentrate power in the hands of Feminists and overly feminized men.
Think about the scope of things the way that they have been going. Think about how may men have had their lives and reputations ruined by these accusations. This is very clearly a power thing.
GM3d6 9y ago
Best news I've heard all day.
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myschadenfreude 9y ago
The Bill of Rights does exist! /s
Seriously, why is fast tracking expulsion and libel seen as a good thing by colleges? Who does this help? I think it keeps things quiet and quick to avoid scandal and keep the money flowing.
StasisNation 9y ago
I think this is more than just a men's rights win, it might be the start of something bigger.
There's no way feminists are going to accept this decision. They're going to rally and scream and cry as usual, but the ones who can actually afford to do so are going to appeal this decision. The supreme court is going to have to decide once and for all whether or not women can just say rape after regretting a one night stand, because that's what this decision is effectively nullifying.
If the law stands, the collective hamster is probably going to break down completely. Women will have lost a powerful too for fucking men over (Inside and outside of court). Men will finally have a tool to use against them (Oh, I raped you? Let's go to court then). The only problem I see with this is the number of ACTUAL rape not going to court, because men will basically be able to sue their victim out of existence.
If it doesn't, America has finally admitted women are not capable of making their own decisions and should not be given responsibility. All those who are American citizens, good fight.
RedBigMan 9y ago
The problem lies entirely on the female gender thinking in terms of personal power rather than societal power. When you abuse a power too much you end up losing said power.
You can look at recent history to see examples... Terrorism worked well for a short period after 9/11... Child Porn worked good until recently when people realized the tools to handle it are already there and we're just signing away our rights under the guise of protecting children. Same with sexual assault... when rape culture became a thing rape accusations both real and false began losing their power.
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This ruling only seems to concern university courts. If a woman is raped she should report it to the police not the university.
_and_a_PhD 9y ago
Bingo. If it is rape, go to the police and press charges there. I realize some cops in small university towns are loathe to move on rape cases, especially with athletes, but this is the only fair route.
Conversely, if women start reporting "regret sex" and "drunk sex" as rapes, it will do a lot of damage to cases of women who were actually raped. In other words, the feminist "rape culture" on campuses, if pushed forward, will ensure that innocent men are permanently punished for essentially nothing, while actual criminal rapists will be able to victim blame more easily and get off. It is essentially counterproductive.
Where it will be most counter productive are cases where actual date rape occurs. Before you get negative, I know what the difference between "regret sex", "drunk sex" and "date rape" are. For better or worse, there are criminals on college campuses that rape those they know. Date rape is NOT when Bobby and Sally take too many shots of tequila and end up in the sack together. As in the population as a whole, there are criminal men AND women who will use whatever means possible to rape. Fortunately there are few or none of these men AND women on college campuses. There is NOT a rape culture that gives the men passes (men don't discuss being raped by and large), and these rapists, both men and women, should be arrested and prosecuted. The number of these occurrences on most college campuses is relatively low (likely less than a handful per year) considering the amount of risky behavior women partake in. From my understanding, it is really hard to prosecute rapes, especially date rapes, and this will make things worse, not to mention the fact that is effectively impossible to prosecute the rape of a man by a woman.
exit_sandman 9y ago
As Martin Amis has said "a woman can change her mind before sex, even during sex, but not after sex" (though I'd say that "even during sex" is already stretching it)
legauge 9y ago
The men accused of rape are unlikely to sue the woman, but instead they will go after the university. A whole lot more money to make from big money than a singular person. Because of this, most unis will likely just drop their pseudo-courts and refer the plaintiff to the legal system and the police to protect themselves from being sued.
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That is a good thing.
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AnotherLostCause 9y ago
They can sue everyone.
Endless_Summer 9y ago
Good.
[deleted] 9y ago
I don't see how allowing men to sue their accusers really solves anything. If we a have a fair justice system (which we don't but strive toward) then the accuser wont lose in court unless there is conclusive proof she lied. If there is conclusive proof she lied, she'd lose in court with or without this ruling.
Regardless, I'm very excited by the prospect of students getting to sue their universities. Universities that punish students for rape without proof deserve to be torn asunder. I just wish the courts would finally revoke this "she was drunk so it's rape" bullshit. If she gave consent, it's not rape. End of story.
Endless_Summer 9y ago
An accusation can do life changing damage, regardless of guilt.
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Yes, but punishing an accuser without proof that she lied is no better than punishing an accused rapist without proof that he did it. It should, however, be illegal for law enforcement agencies to give any sort of information to the media about suspects until the person is convicted. Popular opinion doesn't follow the precept of innocent until proven guilty. To ensure, that the law actually acts as innocent until proven guilty we need to shield accused criminals from public opinion until they are actually convicted.
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It's very hard to prove slander or libel. The burden of proof is on the Plaintiff. I think those Duke lacrosse boys could meet the burden. I don't think there was a kangaroo court there.
SecondBullRun 9y ago
I think I get the essential message of the article, which is that women who go to university "courts" in order to exact their demented version of justice will have to actually go to a public court of law in order to get a more solid result. This ruling effectively gives men the ability to sue a school for a false conviction (provided he can prove it was false I assume?).
I just want to make sure that I've got the points of the article down straight - I've never been good at interpreting legal-ese and I welcome alternative interpretations/corrections.
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greycloud24 9y ago
there isn't a massive witch hunt against men. what there is, is individuals who exploit the system as petty vengeance. sleep with a vindictive girl's best friend and she can push a false rape claim to get you kicked out of school so she doesn't have to look at you. that is the problem. its not a massive witch hunt, it is individual women who abuse the system in order to enact their own fucked up version of personal justice. they destroy men who might be assholes but haven't actually raped them.
if you think this is as uncommon as falsely reporting a burglary than you just haven't really thought about how mean some women are. men aren't afraid of honest decent women, they are afraid of a vindictive bitch that passes herself off as an honest decent woman. some women can't handle being dumped and they will key cars, destroy property, spread lies, and press false rape accusations. not all women are like this, but some women are, and men are generally powerless against them.
modawg 9y ago
Hi. I'm an attorney. You got it for the most part. It's more about what rights a student who has been convicted in a university court has. For starters, a university court is not a real court. Thus, you can allege that remarks made about you were defamatory. Normally, remarks made about you during a judicial proceeding are "privileged." But they're not privileged in the university court because like I fucking said (like the real judge found) a university court is not a real court. Second, everyone is potentially liable for defamation in the university court proceedings. The school, the girl, everybody. Also, a whole bunch of other tortious claims will be allowed like interference with contract. Plaintiff lawyers will probably be happy with this precedent because it opens the door to sue big pocket universities for their imposter court systems. Schools now have two options if they don't want to be haled into federal court for a multitude of tortious claims that have now and will probably found to be non-frivolous: a)be really fucking careful or b) immediately cease and desist from conducting these non judicial proceedings.
alclarkey 9y ago
TLDR; Schools should mind their own business,(academics), and let the legal system handle crimes.
bam2_89 9y ago
This is beautiful. The university tribunals were an overreaction to being held liable for sexual assault and now the tribunals themselves have become a liability.
JJTheJetPlane5657 9y ago
Is this only for rape accusations, or does it apply to all university "court" proceedings? Do you think it will in the future?
I mean the false rape accusation part is more relevant to TRP, but I think that these University court systems are an abomination. Sexual assault charges aren't the only things Universities try to screw people on if they just don't like you.
In my opinion the only thing Universities should be investigating is plagiarism and academic dishonesty charges, and anything that involves an actual law should be left to the courts. Maybe change the acceptance terms that the school can kick you out for any convictions, although I'm not sure if that's already possible..
femmefatale1 9y ago
Its not entirely a win for students though. Often the non-judicial proceedings are there to protect students from a criminal record over minor crimes(most student judicial hearings deal with drugs and alcohol).
SecondBullRun 9y ago
Thanks for the additional information! I feel much more informed on the subject.
themasterof 9y ago
Why do university courts even exist? Cant they just use a regular court? If someone is murdered at a university, you wouldn't take the accused to university court, so why do they do it in rape cases?
femmefatale1 9y ago
They can be useful for settling disputes where you don't want the police involved(drugs and alcohol) or academic violations(cheating).
Because the university court has a much lower burden of proof. Rape accusations absolutely should not be in a university court. They only get there because universities are scared of feminist groups calling them "soft on rape".
modawg 9y ago
I imagine that universities want a place to resolve issues that involve violations of the student conduct code. They probably do have their own murder hearings. I wouldn't be surprised.
trpalternate 9y ago
Thank fuck for that.
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modawg 9y ago
Tenable? Maybe. Invulnerable? Not by a long shot. Firstly, many states have statutes that do not allow a party to disclaim their tortious conduct through contract. Second, as many universities are state run institutions they're sorta obligated to provide a little thing guaranteed by the 14th amendment called procedural due process. Impeding that by contract is such a stupidly bad idea. Again, this falls into the category of something they'd better be really careful about.
SgtBrutalisk 9y ago
I'd say it would hold the same weight as a EULA.
RedBigMan 9y ago
So basically toilet paper...
ubrayj02 9y ago
I think the universities will add a clause into their entrance application that requires students to accept their fake courts and sign away their legal rights to do any of this federal court faffery in the future.
femmefatale1 9y ago
And then we get a lawsuit over whether this clause is legal.
RedBigMan 9y ago
I'm not sure if the universities could do that.
It very easily falls into the realm of making that clause and possibly the whole contract unconscionable. Which basically means noone in their right mind would sign away those rights.
enticingasthatmaybe 9y ago
Contracts don't supersede law. You can't sign a contract giving someone permission to murder you.
drallcom3 9y ago
They're not above the law, no matter what clause they add.
Mikesapien 9y ago
Easiest way to cover their asses. Reading comprehension is in decline, and students don't read the material anyway.
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Plus in reality even if they did read it, whats a kid to do? Not go to college because he might get accused of rape and have no rights?
Thats never going to happen to him, surely, not him right?!
zirzo 9y ago
and its not like he is planning on raping while in school. Why would he want a right to challenge decisions for a crime he doesnt plan to commit. Sigh
Glenbert 9y ago
The fact that this went unnoticed for so long is further evidence that the ability to study law and having good business acumen are mutually exclusive traits.
[deleted] 9y ago
I can't imagine there are that many cases to be had.
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Feminism does an excellent job at delaying things like logic and basic human rights when feelings are involved
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[deleted] 9y ago
I think you have to understand that by now in most western liberal democracies there has been an extreme divergence between feminism and women's rights.
87GNX 9y ago
NAFALT moar.
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Mikesapien 9y ago
Maybe if it was 1919.
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Mikesapien 9y ago
We're talking generally. You are aware that a generalization is not intended to be wholly comprehensive, yes?
Gstreetshit 9y ago
THIS. I hate this bullshit argument of NAFALT when someone uses the word "generally". It's not an all encompassing term.
As the chick in that video clearly stated and many of us know, there aren't many/any feminist loudly condemning their hate speech. That's the same as supporting it.
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[deleted] 9y ago
Get offended if you want. No one here gives a shit about your feelings.
Mikesapien 9y ago
In other words, NAFALT because there might be secret feminists who defy the general trend? That's an unfalsifiable claim, and should be absurd for obvious reasons.
invisiblephrend 9y ago
to be fair, both sides are guaranteed to get fat paychecks regardless of the outcomes in these lawsuits.
Tavald 9y ago
Not really, that is just a very odd combination.
sheriffbigbywolf 9y ago
Don't expect any justice for the falsely accused, though! Remember, shit lords, 1 out of every 1 womyn are raped, but only 1 in 1,000,000 ever report it, and out of those accusations only 1 in 1bn result in a criminal conviction. Out of those real rapes, only like, 1 in 1gpx is a false account. Way lower than other crimes! It's like one false accusation on Planet Earth, ever... and that guy should go to jail for the rest of his life anyway, because he probably thought about doing it.
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Talk to a seasoned prosecutor after a few beers. I would guess a third are false. Some transparently so. Lots of "he touched the kids" in divorces.
sheriffbigbywolf 9y ago
I believe you. It happened to me.
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gekkozorz 9y ago
I haven't checked Facebook yet, but I'm sure it's eagerly waiting for me with a mighty torrent of jimmie-rustled statuses and Buzzfeed articles.
I expect "but according to statistics collected by feminists only 0.6% of rape claims are false!" to be the primary rallying cry.
Feminist tears are delicious.
AutomaticJack320 9y ago
Falsely accusing someone of rape is definitely an injustice, but I feel that depicting men as the victims of some kind of crusade of false rape accusations is...disgusting. I am a male, and supporter of TRP.
I can't believe that you guys don't think that women need support after sexual assault. I don't claim that every accusation of rape is warranted, but come on....do you guys REALLY think that men are being persecuted in this way? Come on
femmefatale1 9y ago
Guys are afraid because any of us could be the victim of a fake rape allegation, and there is almost nothing we can do to fight back against it. Even if you aren't convicted, your name will be in the newspapers and internet. Nobody wants to hire a suspected rapist or be friends with a suspected rapist.
AutomaticJack320 9y ago
I can understand that, but I still think the odds are staked in OUR favor. Rape is rape, there is no such thing as 'date-rape' or 'we were drunk and they wanted it,' all of these situations can be avoided.
Blatant lying about a rape is one thing, but I fear that this issue is just another cudgel for TRP men to solidify their ideas that we're fighitng some kind of revolution against women taking over.
We need gender EQUALITY, for everyone, not just men. That means no to extreme feminism and no to patriarchy at the same time
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JP_Whoregan 9y ago
The answer for university males is simple: boycott university females. Date solely outside the population of the school. Don't date them, live with them, touch them, or even look in their general direction. If university women are so worried about being raped, then the men should just ostracize them from any and all potential sexual situations on campus. Only interact with non-student women, and only off campus. That way, any rape charges will be handled by the agency that should be handling it, and that's local law enforcement. I don't know what it is about a university environment that sparks all of this "rape" talk, at a level so much higher than any other facet of society.
femmefatale1 9y ago
This is equivalent to "be celibate" if you are in a college town.
JP_Whoregan 9y ago
I suppose it could be...depends on the campus I guess. I went to a school with pretty close access to a large city, with a good population of non-student females.
hc1218 9y ago
More concern trolling. Get a life. Report.
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neutron_ 9y ago
And fire alarms. You forgot the fire alarms.
incraved 9y ago
Nice writing style
everyone_wins 9y ago
I'm sure there will be many a feminist blogger and Tumblrite falling ill and "nearly puking all over their keyboards".
RedBigMan 9y ago
Yeah too bad they wont puke long enough to lose some of the 500 pounds of lard they have on their body.
everyone_wins 9y ago
Lol, we would need to see some serious victories for the patriarchy before these land whales start seeing any weight loss.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Who says the patriarchy has to win... All those 500 pound lard asses are eating themselves into an early grave everytime they bust open a Costco sized box of cookies for a meal.
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They'll just make even stronger efforts for fat acceptance
RedBigMan 9y ago
Dont wait... Peak Fat will happen... just like Peak Oil
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Music to my ears
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Menadian 9y ago
Seems like we are getting infested with bugs?
87GNX 9y ago
The only good bug is a dead bug.
rebuildingMyself 9y ago
Dude, a submission I made a few weeks ago suddenly has everyone at -4 or below. Talk about desperate downvote brigading.
Menadian 9y ago
Got into something like that to with 2 submissions :/ However... being targeted by the downvote brigade is somewhat of an achievement mark. It must mean you realy hit something sore...
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hc1218 9y ago
concern trolling. press report and move on. mods will ban this imbecile like all the rest of the concern trolls.
greycloud24 9y ago
for every dozen that never come forward 6 of them are men. and for all those swept under the rug, imagine how easy that is when "forced to penetrate" doesn't count as rape. before you go saying that a man can't get erect and be raped, consider this, if a woman gets wet does that mean she wasn't raped?
ilovemyself101 9y ago
Some women even have reported to have orgasms during rape this must be double consent , so orgasm, and/or wetness = consent if hard = consent. Sounds like equality to me lol
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Zemiatin 9y ago
I'm new to the redpill and I don't know much about the way things work in America. But what's the deal with the false rape accusations? I mean surely, it can ruin your image but you can't go to jail if it really was consensual? The girl needs to prove that it was rape, right? There needs to be signs of violence or something like that, no?
RedBigMan 9y ago
Why do you think they have rape shield laws which enable prosecutors to not have to have the accuser into the court room or bring up anything about her past...
Personally I find past behavior a very important aspect in rape accusations. If she's got a history of false accusations that needs to be addressed as well as past behavior indicating promiscuity. Sluts are less likely to be raped and more likely to have 'buyers remorse' type deals where they regret the sex the next morning.
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In a criminal court - Yes in theory. Though a lying slut can sure do a number on a jury when she dresses up real nice with thick stockings and butter wouldnt melt smart clothes, throwing a few tears into the mix never hurt either.
The issue here is that alleged campus rapes arent being investigated by the police and persued to criminal trials, because half the time theres zero evidence for the police to act on, so the universities started implementing kangaroo courts of other students, and conducting "Trials" on allegations. Problem being theyre not legit courts, as such you have no due process rights, no right to representation and the standard of evidence required to find guilty is the civil court standard (Preponderance of evidence, basically 50.000001%) rather than the criminal standard (Beyond all reasonable doubt).
Only upside is, as you say, you cant go to jail for this. But what can happen is you can be thrown out of university, fees not refunded, have the "Conviction" recorded on your academic record so no other university will take you either, and generally spend the rest of your life not having the career you worked hard for because someone regretted some drunk sex, or wanted to make an excuse for herself.
Zemiatin 9y ago
Jesus, so basically your career is in the hands of some people that have nothing to do with the law. I'm from Eastern Europe (Romania) and if you would have asked me what I thought about life here a year ago I would've told you that it is pretty shitty. The level of corruption is so damn high and only a very small percentage of the population can say that is living a good lifestyle. Most are poor as fuck.
But after awhile I started to be grateful that it could've been much worse. I could've been born in India, Bangladesh or some African country. And after lurking for some weeks on redpill and seeing all these things like crazy ass feminists, fat acceptance movement and false rape accusations everywhere I'm starting to be grateful I wasn't born in Western Europe or the United States.
The West seems pretty sad at least from where I'm standing without first hand experience at least. In Eastern Europe you can still find beautiful girls that are still virgins until their 19 or 20. Not a lot obviously but it still says something. Patriarchy still plays an important role and there are decent amount of redpilled guys. Adding the fact that the girls are absolutely gorgeous, from a redpill point of view, Eastern Europe can be pretty damn awesome.
hc1218 9y ago
basically if you're a man in university any woman can ruin your life with ease.
iggybdawg 9y ago
That they drew a Venn diagram graphic telling me rape and false accusations are separate problems is hilarious.
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http://imgur.com/QPYiqwB
Relevant picture to any /r/twoX /r/feminism or /r/bluepill faggot that wants to contest this.
SnowCrabThunderDick 9y ago
Lol what is this from?
bama79rolltide 9y ago
Captain America, is that you?
schweppesy 9y ago
"Also, the court ruled that the mere fact that the tribunal found that the male student had committed the wrongful act complained of was not conclusive as to his guilt or innocence, and did not shield the female complainant from this type of legal liability."
So apparently, even if you actually commit rape in Virginia, you can still sue anyone who attempts to hold you to account for it. I see a rape epidemic in your future Virginia, but with a name like that maybe it's appropriate.
Gstreetshit 9y ago
Yeah, because the only reason regular guys don't rape is because its illegal.
You are a fucking moron beyond comprehension.
bicepsblastingstud 9y ago
No, dumbass, it's talking about if the school's "court" finds you guilty, you can still sue the female complainant. What you quoted had nothing to do with the actual legal system.
:)
Mikesapien 9y ago
Virginia was named for Elizabeth, the "virgin queen."
The fuck does that have to do with rape?
schweppesy 9y ago
You can't see how being able to suit someone for the damage they caused to your life, by reporting the criminal sexual act you committed, might be used in an intimidating way? o.O
Mikesapien 9y ago
You said,
which is utterly ridiculous.