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thedarkerside 10y ago
I think there are two sides to this:
Simply put: There are different body types and they will present differently. Someone with an Endomorph body will never look like a Ectomorph for example. So understanding these "limitations" is important.
On the other hand, saying: "Oh fuck it, I will never be rail thin" for example? That's just lack of self-respect.
Reading her article I would wager a guess that it wasn't just her diet that went on a vacation but probably other things as well and once the depression set in.... slip & slide.
LaserSoundMusic 10y ago
"loving" your body=letting it look like shit, stuffing it with shit, and never using it properly
MockingDead 10y ago
Yeah. As I lose more and more weight, and I become stronger and stronger, I buy that less and less.
Gawd, gassing out 2 minutes into porking some hamplanet... god damn. Never again. I have too much self-respect.
HanSolo7007 10y ago
Totally! I just wrote a post today about how there's an epidemic of fat asses roaming the land. 36% of adults over 20 are obese! Not just overweight but obese. And 69% are either obese or overweight.
When it comes to girl game, looking good is the number one tool and losing weight is the most tangible and doable way to up their looks.
You can read more about my 5 P's of girl game and the epidemic of land whales here:
http://www.justfourguys.com/girl-game-is-simple-yet-so-hard/
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
Yeah I'm on vacation in the states right now. Last night I went to a party and I think 3/10 girls there weren't fat as hell.
HanSolo7007 10y ago
Definitely too many fatties.
[deleted] 10y ago
These types of articles frustrate me so much. Oh really? People are happier when they're attractive and in shape? Weird because the internet taught me that people will love me for who I am regardless of my appearance.
Whether you're a man or a woman if you're part-orca you're going to have less self worth than if you worked hard to have a nice body. We shouldn't need articles, studies, or self reflections to know that.
mazzyTuff 10y ago
Flip the genders!!!
It started with a conversation between Dallas-based oil tycoon Tim Hall and his best friend.
"He was crying over the phone, lamenting the fact that he didn't want to be known as the 'poor' oil tycoon," Hall told the Huffington Post. "I felt empathy for him and what he was going through ... But it triggered me in a personal way."
Hall decided to find out why he had such a visceral reaction to his friend's comment, convinced that financial success had nothing to do with his value. Without telling his friend, Hall let go of all financial assets from March to July of 2013 "to show him, and show myself, that it's not about the financial. That it's got to be about something else. But I found something completely different throughout the process."
Hall realized that the people in his life truly didn't care how much he made -- but that he did. He told HuffPost:
The people who didn't know, who were just with me in my life -- there was no difference that I could tell in the way that they treated me. The difference came in my own perceptions of myself, and I began to treat myself differently. I was very judgmental, and I would look at my bank account and critique myself... I would pick apart my finances. Instead of looking at the whole of my body and personality, I would look at different parts and analyze what's wrong with them.
These new insecurities drove Hall to cover up his finances than he previously would have. In a Jul. 30 post on his personal blog, Hall explained how his self-esteem suffered:
The stories I made up about what people thought of me were changing and I was emotionally affected. Suddenly, my self-worth was proving to be connected to how much money I made –- something I completely denied giving a sh*t about before this experiment –- and that pissed me off. Guilt from not being able to afford material possessions was a constant companions in my thoughts. Shame did cameo appearances in my mind’s movie reel daily.
Hall also found that his finances affected his ability to run his oil business. He experienced trouble with debt, paying employees and taxes -- to the point where he dramatically cut down on paying his employees poses for his workplace and hire illegal immigrant workers. This also affected his self-esteem: "It made everything that was financial more challenging. It made it harder."
Hall's intention was not to make a statement about the lifestyles or purchasing habits of poor people, but rather to see how changing his own finances would affect how people felt about him. More importantly, acknowledging him feelings of shame and guilt allowed Hall to process how he thought about herself and what gave him value. In his Jul. 30 blog post, Hall revealed: "My most shocking discovery through the process is that I’m afraid of not being loved. I noticed the self-talk was that my success is only on the surface."
This project allowed Hall to change that conversation in his own head.
The next step? "I want to empower people to love their finances... if it's going to start somewhere, it has to start within."
Now that's a mission we can believe in.
GoGreenGiant 10y ago
Does anybody else not buy that she did this intentionally?
Sounds like she just is this way now and is trying to rationalize it. It's not like she got back into shape after her little experiment.
thebears1986 10y ago
She wasn't getting attention as an average 34 year old woman so she ballooned up and got herself some of that awesome internet attention with a large side of empowerment.
Clauderoughly 10y ago
She is never getting a cock again, that's for sure.
Sub8male 10y ago
Give me a break. She will find some beta provider to worship her. She's fine.
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Geezus she gained that much weight in 5 months? That isn't 'letting go of your dietary restrictions', that is jumping over a cliff into lard canyon.
Apart from that, I don't know how she reconciles her final comment:
With:
Her very livelyhood was affected by negative food and health choices... by this statement she couldn't do her job properly, AND her self-esteem was affected, but she wants people to be OK with being fat?
MockingDead 10y ago
I eat between 1600-2500 calories a day +/- 200. I do keto. I could get up to 300 in about 4 months if I ate pizza everyday. 2 of them. And a 2 litre of cola.
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so you eat 1400-2700 a day?
MockingDead 10y ago
Depends on the day. If I stay keto, I am sometimes full at 1400. Sometimes 2700. Often in between.
[deleted] 10y ago
Ok. Is it a part of keto to vary this much (don't even know if it is much, to be honest).
MockingDead 10y ago
As far as I know, sometimes.
I know that's not a perfect answer. Most people keep pretty close macros, I record them but don't keep close score. I eat when I am hungry, and sometimes I'm just not.
It beats when I was not on keto. i could pound 5k calories easy
Nitzi 10y ago
The attraction man feel for hot girls doesn't come from some cultural mind ray that tells them they are hot. It comes from genes and mating behavior. Fat acceptance will never work unless maybe in 2.000 years when humans are stripped from their humanity. That is no noble goal.
Helmut_Newton 10y ago
As long as there are SOME fit, attractive girls, men will prefer them to all the whales. But if/when everybody becomes a hippo (as in Wall-E), then things might change. As you said though, it's no noble goal.
Sub8male 10y ago
Fat fetishes are on the rise. Men are very adaptable.
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Eloni 10y ago
If they have to. We don't. If I couldn't get a hot girl, I'd rather masturbate than fuck a land-whale.
[deleted] 10y ago
id rather jerk off than fuck a dude or a fat chick. its not gonna happen unless you're some kind of fag or fat lover.
through_a_ways 10y ago
I'd have to disagree and say it could stem from culture, to an extent. I've read about men preferring fat women during times of famine, and the Venus figurines of Austria tell us that there were probably a good deal of men who enjoyed fatter women.
However, it's unclear whether this attraction was cultural/genetic. It could be, that as humans went through the neolithic, they evolved away the preference for such figures, due to excess fat in a more calorically abundant environment having lower fitness.
Still, we prize ample amounts of fat in the breasts, butt, and thighs.
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There's no reason to believe those figurines represent sexually attractive female bodies back then.
through_a_ways 10y ago
Reasons they probably represented attractive bodies:
Reasons they probably didn't represent attractive bodies:
[deleted] 10y ago
That's speculation, not evidence. It's guesswork.
Nitzi 10y ago
The Venus of Willendorf can also be a penis, we don't know much about it. Fat was a symbol of wealth in a society without much to eat. Today we life in another society of overflow and discipline is the new sexy. I also dig sport girls more since they have endurance and are more active. In times of famine the fat people will survive and the survival of genes is a important goal we have. Sure culture has some effect but culture doesn't grow out of nothing, culture grows on rich soil, a soil full of our genes.
through_a_ways 10y ago
lolwut
Nope, culture evolves much more quickly than genes do. Certain elements of culture can grow out of genetics, but certainly not all of them.
Not saying we should all like fat women or anything, but your preferences could be pretty different if you had the same genes, but were a paleolithic hunter 30,000 years ago.
[deleted] 10y ago
what exactly is your contribution to this conversation?
Spewing some psuedo-science evo-psych bullshit ? Maybe the paleolithic hunter gatherer liked women with big tits and small hips.
listen dude, bottom line, attraction is not rational. nobody looks at scarlett johansson's tits and thinks "oh since i'm in america, i'm supposed to like tits". Its instinctive. You show her tits to jihadists, they'll all get hard, regardless of culture.
This fat venus figurine...that just high society stuff of the time. Art. It has NOTHING to do with the sexual preferences of the millions of men who lived during that time.
Because michelangelo carved a nude statue of a man, was everybody in ancient greece a raging homo?
Its the same principle with runway fashion models today. Very few men think rail thin runway models, with no tits, are attractive. I don't know anybody that finds kate moss attractive. That is just art/media of the day pushing a product.
There is no mass conspiracy by media to promote 'thin' people and a particular body image, like most depressed fat chicks like to believe.
through_a_ways 10y ago
Lol mad
No idea how you took that from what I said
Paleolithic subsistence doesn't permit the existence of "high society". It's quite likely that these were essentially pornographic figurines.
I think this question is a lot more relevant to your post. Mine was that preferences aren't 100% grounded in genetics, and that our preferences have some fluidity depending on the environment that we're in.
LaserSoundMusic 10y ago
"fat" back then and "fat" now were different things
through_a_ways 10y ago
Not really. The venus figurines are quite fat.
Now of course, the figurines focus on fat in the breasts, butt, and thigh regions, or the gynoid (feminine) regions, from where fat is used for giving birth. They feature fairly low waist/hip ratios.
A flat chested, flat assed woman with a fat belly will never be attractive, in any man's eyes.
Takincharge55 10y ago
I think what he means is far back in those time frames were valued because if you were far you were of a higher class and looked up to by the lower class, especially during times of famine who is going to be envied? The ones who are well off enough to get fat, regardless of gender in that time frame being fat meant value and status.
through_a_ways 10y ago
Ah, well, I still take issue with that theory, since it would imply that the desire was cultural, and based on the woman's status.
Take a look at the shapeless models on television, and the downright emaciated ones in high fashion. Now take a look at some standard pornography. The difference is night and day. Guys today don't give much of a fuck about social status, and guys in the paleolithic probably gave even less.
Male desire has always been largely biologically motivated. A preference for fat would have evolved as a response to the fact that women who carried more fat were more reproductively fit. Such a woman would have not only required fewer resources, but would have also had a lower risk for cardiovascular disease, and a healthier baby.
Takincharge55 10y ago
I agree with your opinion full, I think the issue with trying to compare ancient "art" of that time to a mans biological sexual preferences is going to cause confusion for modern guys thinking that men of the past were ok with that kind of figure... Which like you say is probably complete shit
through_a_ways 10y ago
I didn't say it was shit, quite the contrary. I said that I believe paleolithic men were okay with, and even desired those types of figures. If you consider the evolutionary pressures on a paleolithic population, this kind of makes sense, as there definitely weren't very many fat women around, and a fatter woman (fat in the tits and ass) would be more reproductively fit.
We had different priorities in the neolithic and in the current modern age.
Takincharge55 10y ago
Well if I would read thoroughly I would've seen what you were trying to convey. I can agree with this as in the past having any kind of extra weight would be seen as desirable
LuciusExitius 10y ago
As a bigger guy I can tell you that being out of shape sucks, its not just how you look its how it makes you feel. It wears on you, you get depressed easier, you eat because it becomes comforting. Going into High school I was around 300lbs, it sucked. After a family member died I decided to play sports starting my junior year and lost 125 lbs that year, any self esteem issues I had were gone, I never cared about eating, I felt good and I felt like I could accomplish anything. After high school I slipped back into my old ways in college and gained the weight back. Now i'm working twice as hard to lose the weight which I worked so hard to get off and I have to fight with myself everyday but at least I know what I will gain when I lose the weight.
brimmyz 10y ago
I hear ya. I was 355 pounds and 6'1" going into high school. Senior year i slimmed down to 215, got a date to prom, and went into college with a fresh start. It's crazy how much of an impact it can have on all aspects of you life.
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300 lbs going into HS? Jesus, please tell me you're at least like 6'3"
LuciusExitius 10y ago
Nope, just 6'0. I was big, but I started playing football, wrestling, and did 4 events in track. I also was part of a racing club which I later became the president of. Anyway, my life sucked before that, pretty much raised by my mom who decided every 6 months that I was "too hard to handle" then would drop us off to my fathers house, but because she was a woman she got full custody even though she was a drug addict and lived off of the system...
lifesbrink 10y ago
Keep fighting the good fight!
LuciusExitius 10y ago
Thank you, I will be jacked soon enough!
through_a_ways 10y ago
Two things I want to remark on.
I've noticed this a LOT in girls. My own mother would always try her best to make everyone around her eat dessert, probably so that she wouldn't feel like a fatty while eating hers.
The second thing: has anyone else noticed that women really like sugar, when compared to men? I've noticed it in my own family, among friends, and on plenty of TV commercials. From what I've seen, flavors go something like this:
Male: meaty smoky sour bitter
Female: sweet
Both: salty fatty spicy (I've heard a lot more females talk about their love for spicy foods, though)
I've read that sugar helps the body produce more serotonin, which might be a possible reason for the taste difference. Men also require more protein than women, so it makes sense that we enjoy meat more, but that still leaves smoky and bitter without an explanation.
JohnPeel 10y ago
What my mother would do, and it's rather sneaky, is increase everyone's portion sizes such that she had the right amount to eat. It was no problem for me as I was getting enough, but my sister could only ever eat 2/3rds of her meal.
through_a_ways 10y ago
Hah, well at least you lucked out with dinner portions. I'm a guy who generally hates all things sweet; overly saccharine dessert is like a trip to the doctor.
My mother is a vegetarian, and never ate meat upon any of my attempts to get her to, but had no problem forcing me into eating sugary bullshit so she wouldn't feel tubby.
through_a_ways 10y ago
At least her hamster is burning calories
Whyver 10y ago
Women love sticking to their pretty little lies
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monsieurhire2 10y ago
"Hall also found that her weight gain affected her ability to practice and teach yoga. She experienced trouble with stamina, certain poses and breath control -- to the point where she dramatically cut down on demonstrating poses in her classes and would instead walk around the room assisting her students."
What an idiot.
A fit-looking body is a byproduct of a healthy body, which is a byproduct of proper fueling and function. You eat right and exercise so you feel good across all dimensions.
So, her weight gain affected her ability to exercise. That should be reason alone not to gain weight. The more you weigh, the more stress on the joints, the harder it is to walk, jog, run, stand, etc. And not only that, but this will affect her livelihood. The teacher is supposed to be an example for the students. What kind of moral authority does a fat, slovenly fitness instructor have? None at all.
AlmostRP 10y ago
I'd be okay with never seeing this again.
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AlmostRP 10y ago
Sadly enough, Alexa puts Huffpost at #21 in the United States. I doubt if all 17k of the subscribers to TRP, it would make one iota of a difference. But okay.
Edit: Cain't spel.