...she said to me many times. "Yes, you're right.", I said, "if you could hear yourself, you wouldn't take yourself seriously, either".
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Summary:
This post is a reminder of something most of you already know. Look at her actions, not her words. You can't take women seriously, because they don't know what they want. Chances are high, that they want the opposite of what they tell you.
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Background:
I (28 y/o) have been seeing this girl (20 y/o) for a month now. In the beginning we were co-workers at a law firm, but as we both left the firm and didn't work together anymore, I started to make a move. We fucked on our second date. Until now we meet once or twice a week, I fuck her brains out and that's it. No "I love you's", not even an "I like you", but that's fine with me. Just casual sex.
She is absolutely disgusted with me, but can't get enough of me. Typical woman. So let me give you some examples of what happened so far:
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Second date (first sex):
We arrive at my place and she lies on my bed, belly down, pretending to read something. On the first date I had her half naked, but she blocked any further move and told me, that it is going too fast (I tried a few more times after that, but without success)...so next try:
I just laid on her, clothes on and bit her neck. She is very passionate, so that already turned her on and she started moaning. Once again she told me that "It's going too fast"- bullshit, meanwhile I took off her pants without resistance. 5 minutes later we fucked.
Meeting at her place:
After having sex multiple times we watched a movie, when she started to talk about the migrant crisis (we are living in Germany). She is a leftist (like most girls this age) and I am more conservative-right leaning (even though my father came to Germany in the 1970s as a migrant aswell). So she talked about the party she voted for and asked me what I voted for. I told her bluntly that I voted for the conservative-right leaning party and her eyes went big "Oh, no! I slept with a nazi!" (I am no nazi, as you can imagine...my skin tone is light-brown so I would be stupid to hate on people just based on their skin colour and ethnicity. I am just not a fan of uncontrolled migration with lots of migrants having nothing to offer, but living of wellfare and terrorizing the people living here). I just laughed at her, as she said that. She moved to the other end of the couch. I made no attempt to follow her. 10 Minutes later we fucked again. I said to her "I thought you don't want to sleep with nazis?". She said: "Well...I must have repressed that thought", while she cuddled up to me.
Next meeting at my place:
I invited her over to my place and asked her by text, if she wants to stay the night, only to get a short "no" from her. After that I went grocery-shopping and a split second I thought about getting a spare toothbrush for her, which I didn't get, because why should I spend money on her, when we are just fucking? She arrived at my place and soon we were lying in bed together. Guess who wanted to spend the night after having sex...So we went to the store once more and she paid for her toothbrush.
There were a few more occasions, where she said something and meant something different, but I think you get the gist of the post.
Closing:
As I am writing this post, a feeling of sadness creeps in... We were all taught how men and women are equal and as much as I tried to believe this, the more women I date, the less I am able to believe it. It may sound a bit jaded, but with time I have come to see women as pets/sidekicks. They may look human, but they live more on an instinctual basis, like "animals" (I know, we are all animals, but animals compared to human males) do. I am not mad at them, because they are what they are by nature. You wouldn't be mad at a wolf for killing a sheep. The best thing you can do is to not take them seriously and just keep your focus on yourself. Be confident in yourself by achieving something in life you can be proud of. Learn how to be completely fine without a girl in your life and that will make you the most attractive to them. Many times she told me "I would love to have your level of confidence!". Guess were I got that confidence from. By failing over and over again, not only with girls but with personal projects aswell. I can't remember with how many girls I failed and made a fool out of myself to reach the level where I am at now. Hopefully you could learn something from this post.
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My opinion. I have absolutely no academic or informal credentials upon which it can be based.
Both men and women, are primarily motivated by biological imperatives: namely, to procreate. Of course, there are people who are asexual, but sadly, they are caught up in the politics as well, so they cannot be completely discounted.
Anyway, for men, this means sex; I believe everyone can agree with that, fir better or worse. For women, this also means sex. However, for a very very long time, there have been sanctions against women having sex outside of marriage so it creates a kind of cognitive dissonance for women that is very difficult to reconcile. They DO know what they want, sex AND the freedom to do so freely, like men do. Sadly, these two things are BELIEVED to be incompatible. They are not, but the belief that they are creates this schism.
Because these are attitudes that are thousands of years old and so firmly ingrained, you essentially have a battle between them and our inherent biological imperative. Very difficult to change.
Saying that times have changed doesn’t help, because in many ways they haven’t. Women are still explicitly made to feel shame for their sexual desires/actions on a local level while media increasingly glorifies female sexuality within the larger context. Yet another schism.
Now in the past century we have pushes for equal rights, the sexual revolution, feminist movements...all add to the complexity of the matter. Any individual woman, in order to avoid the painful Madonna/whore dichotomy, must make a choice to be on one side or the other, ideologically, because where is balance in the face of increasing access to influential and polarizing opinion?
But it seems that whatever choice she makes, she risks condemnation for not making the OTHER choice. And this condemnation comes from all quarters: men, other women, friends, the wider media.
Men are now being made to experience this same schism. They are either all inherently “bad” (following their biological imperative to procreate) or societally considered “good” by slavishly following the new ideal, which is to automatically respect her choice, regardless of whether or not they find it attractive or respectable or whatever.
It’s still so new, the rules are deeply unclear.
A possible, though undeniably unlikely-to-occur solution: about 50 years, or roughly 2 generations worth of time, of men and women getting the fuck off each other’s backs. Essentially wiping our minds of all preconceived notions of what it means to be a “good” and “bad”. The media getting the fuck off our backs. Our parents getting the fuck off our backs. Nobody making any effort whatsoever to directly influence our personal ideas/expression about our personal sexuality.
mrmaldoror 5y ago
I do think some of you sound stupid when you are put yourself so high above women. The large majority are probably more important to mankind than you little internet dweebs. (doctors, astronauts etc)
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_A_L_3_X_ 5y ago
In germany my experience with politics, is to generally not speak about it as long as you are not far left. Do yo have the same experience as i do?
Robster25 5y ago
Unfortunately yes. Everything which is not extreme left, is automatically labeled as right-wing propaganda. Most newspapers are controlled by left journalists, who publish extreme bullshit. In earlier times I read 3 different newspapers, now it's only one, because two of them are unbearable to read now. And the third newspaper pisses me off, because it reports the ugly truth, but it is still better, than to ignore the truth. One of the newspapers I don't read anymore explicitly admitted, that it no longer reports about crimes committed by migrants, because it doesn't want to scare the public more than necessary....talking about objective news coverage...But I think the country must burn first, to make people realize how bad it really is.
_A_L_3_X_ 5y ago
what do you read? Personally i think the big waking up will be when the car companies will start to lose money to china because of electric cars which are so much cheaper. In addition to that the energyshortage from shutting down coal and nuclear power plants will have devastating effects. Then there won't be enough taxes to support this absolutly huge state, plus that state will regulate any sort of economical growth to death.
Mefic_vest 5y ago
Why else do you think so many red-pilled men eventually go MGTOW? We were sold a bill of goods that advertised a meeting of equal minds, and all we got were spoiled children.
If all you want to do is get your rocks off, then fine. Maybe things will work out for you. But the larger equation of interpersonal relationships doesn’t even lead to an equitable solution, much less one that leans to our benefit. When you add everything up from a man’s position, it utterly fails any rational and logical risk-assessment analysis. Is getting your dick wet for seven minutes at a time really worth all of the societal and legal contraindications? More and more men think not.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Actually yes, it is. I don't want to live if I can't have sex. The vast majority of men agree with me and will always agree with me. 90% of MGTOW is ex post rationalization by men who can't get laid anyways. I'm not trying to employ feminist type shaming language - that's just the truth. Among men that are capable of getting laid, only a vanishingly small percentage are going to willingly become celibate.
conquersex 5y ago
Are you serious? Have you researched the benefits of celibacy? A vanishingly small percentage of men are wise enough to know that being celibate will take them to new heights that they won't be able to achieve with women diluting their energies. Research Ojas and semen sublimation.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
What the fuck is wrong with people? Get the of TRP you freak.
conquersex 5y ago
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Points addressed : Zero
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Mefic_vest 5y ago
No, you are thinking of Incels.
Most of MGTOW are men who have seen the other side, and have decided that the juice is just no longer worth the squeeze. That the playing field of relationships is so severely tilted against men - often hilariously so - that we have walked off of it in contempt.
I am talking about a majority of them having been married, then divorced. Sometimes multiple times. Along with the legally-sanctioned strip-mining for resource extraction that typically accompanies a divorce-rape. This does not sound like someone who cannot get laid, only someone who was late to being red pilled.
Or having been in relationships that have gone south in nasty ways that had them at a distinct disadvantage. Again, not someone who cannot get laid, only what a majority of men experience eventually.
It’s just that those who go MGTOW wake up from the blue-pill fantasy and accept reality of male-female relationships for what it truly is - something not worth expending our time and effort into. That we have much better things to do with our lives.
All red-pilled roads lead to MGTOW. All PUA either end up as blue pills back on the plantation and enslaved to the gynocracy, or as MGTOW. There is no middle ground, because it does not exist.
MGTOW is not about being celibate. Only Level 4 and above actually go entirely celibate. And yet, I have seen rough, back-of-the-envelope calculations that show that up to 20% of all men and perhaps as much as 50% of men over 40 have gone MGTOW in one form or another, even if they don’t know the term or the philosophy itself. Heck, I am a Level 3 myself, and the only reason why I haven’t gone full Level 5 is that I love my career (programming) too much, and the deep wilderness rarely comes with a symmetrical 300Mbps Internet connection.
You, too, will change. Once you get out of your teenage years and into your thirties and forties, you will also realize that life is a lot more than just sex. In fact, sex has almost nothing to do with a life well lived. I am almost finished my fifth decade on this rock, and sex is now so low on my priority list that I really don’t give a shit about it. Do I still desire sex? Of course I do. I have almost the same testosterone levels now as I did in my 20s. But the risks of engaging in any sort of a relationship with any woman beyond the strictly professional utterly fails any rational or logical risk-assessment analysis. And simply put, prostitutes are not my thing.
I would go so far to posit that if you really do connect your state of happiness to your access to sex, you will have a most miserable and unfulfilling life. You will be like a heroin addict - always chasing that next high, never able to achieve the perfect high because (AWALT!!) it doesn’t exist.
MGTOW know the truth - true self-sustaining and self-generating happiness is tied to yourself, your being and your frame of mind; not to external factors such as sex. Down the external path lies the blue-pill road.
Edit: And to reply to this post in such a way that even the mods, who are not fans of MGTOW, have to remove your post. Because it’s showing up as [Removed] (mod action) and not [Deleted] (user action). Wow.
wildtimes3 5y ago
Good explanation. Agreed generally.
If you can set up good sex everyday without too much risk I would posit that it can be worth the time spent.
After a recent encounter my fun partner said “thanks, you can’t do that by yourself”. She was right.
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beachbbqlover 5y ago
Hmmm. Normally I wouldn't even read all that. Thanks. I'm married with kids now, but I've long been aware of the possibilities.
Reaper1967 5y ago
I agree with you, my personal opinion is that MGTOW is a destination for a red pilled man. It’s not that one doesn’t get (or can’t get) sex any longer, it’s that it’s no longer pursued. I’m in my early 30’s, and I don’t pursue. If the occasion arises, I’ll fuck. But I don’t go out of my way for it, nor do I put any effort into it. I am bettering myself and my life, and have my own agenda.
Occasionally I’ll run into a girl that finds me intriguing or attractive, words will be said, and sex will be had. That’s the end of it, unless she wants more of it. But it’s on my time, and my whim. If I’m busy or just don’t feel like it, too bad for her. I enjoy sex as much as the next guy, but I have greater things to do than run around trying to fuck every attractive girl I come across.
Harleyskillo 5y ago
I think i'm into something like MGTOW without even knowing. I completely despise the game itself, all this BS where both parties know exactly what they are doing and just delay and mask their intentions for a short period of time because that's how things _have_ to be. AWALT, This almost uncontrollable urge to fuck no matter what, going against your likings, personal prefferences and even pride simply because a cock/pussy is right there being offered. I hate this, makes us as species look retarded. We _don't_ need to mindlessly find mates (the best possible ones, even though you don't like them for real) for survival reasons, so why the fuck we keep doing that? Like you said, all the effort is not worth just to fulfill some sort of impulse we all have. Not even with someone you want to. I might be talking shit here but that's exatly how i see things right now being 21.
wildtimes3 5y ago
They only have one thing to sell. We are not fucking for survival anymore; their instincts would help if we were. Of course there’s a game behind it now.
I would argue that more women know full well what they are doing compared to men. They don’t know that they know. But they figure it out faster then we do.
BobbyPeru 5y ago
They live according to how they “feel” in the moment. They mistake feeling with thinking and logic.
RealMcGonzo 5y ago
I wouldn't call them animals. They are not men. They are generally not going to be useful on your mission, other than in a support capacity. But they do nurture - cook, clean, take care of pets/kids/house. Do the laundry. Or at least they used to.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
What you call them is irrelevant. The point is that the more you get to know them, the more you realize that whatever is going on upstairs is just somehow...less.
Swamp-woman 5y ago
RedPill: "why do feminists hate men"
wildtimes3 5y ago
"A scorpion asks a frog to carry him over a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, both would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog then agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature."
--Fable of the Scorpion and the Frog
bakamoney 5y ago
Can't believe how many times women go on a self distruct emo mode in the middle of something good (conversation/dates/whatever).
And from what seems like a good flow and they drop in some shit.
wildtimes3 5y ago
It’s in their nature to shit test. Always comes at the worst times for us. Long day, Finally relaxing ...
bakamoney 5y ago
Well most men are retarded too.
Not just in a BP/rp way.
If you put yourself to it you could manipulate most men the same way you can with women.
Infact that's the 101 for Politics.
SoulRebel99 5y ago
I want to actually learn how to puppet men too, got any suggestions? haha
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bakamoney 5y ago
That's pretty hardcore level. No where there yet.
Its also heavily amoral.
You could say morality is a huge blue-pill invention to keep society intact.
And since we were born in it it takes hard work to undo that conditioning.
Which means people who are naturally amoral by default have a much higher advantage.
Nicolas0631 5y ago
Morality is a way for immoral/amoral people to keep others in check and keep an edge as they are not affected.
wildtimes3 5y ago
“You don’t take me seriously” is a perfect example of a shit test.
Apologize, get all worried, try to coddle her fefes and immediately the attraction disappears. Agree and amplify.
sebastianconcept 5y ago
Good one about the “agree and amplify”!
Playful arrogance comes to mind
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Sh-sh-shaa 5y ago
What would be the proper response?
Ignore her altogether?
I mean, you're doomed either way.
old_ex_commie 5y ago
I'm no expert, but IMO the best answer would be a terse, "True."
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grandmasbroach 5y ago
You might be doomed, but that doesn't mean everyone else is. The only reason why a guy can't get away with this, is because he isn't seen as attractive. There's no such thing as sexual harassment if you're hot enough or rich enough. Do you go to the gym and lift heavy stuff? If not, there's your problem. No female sees you as a strong male, and they will endlessly shit test you until you do fail.
The proper response is to agree and amplify. You're right, I don't take you seriously at all, sandwich time! All said with a shit rating grin.
The problem is, and I guarantee it because of what you just said. You aren't going to the gym like you should. Why? That is the single best thing a man can do to be more attractive.
But, that's hard work! You don't want to do any of that stuff, it's so hard! You want to come on here, and try to learn a magic bullet to getting women because you currently don't get many chasing you. You probably are the chaser thinking you have a chance, but you're really just a beta orbiter she keeps around for extra attention and validation when I'm not in her bed with my cock jammed halfway to her stomach. You want the easy way out, completely not realizing that is what got you here in the first place. Once your big five lifts are over 1,000 pounds, come back and learn the rest. You probably don't even know what the big five lifts are. That is the ONLY thing you need to be working on. Then, once your body is in shape, you can start to actually work on your mind, and eventually make good money. Again, that's all going to be nothing but hard work, and a whole lot of it. If you don't like the idea of working on yourself like that, and just want the shortcut. Go find a pick up sub or book. That isn't what trp is about.
Trp is about being the best version of yourself possible. If you can't even be bothered to work out and make your body look good. You aren't really going to have any luck in other parts of your life because you have no discipline, work ethic, etc. Lifting is the best way to get women. But, you should be doing it for yourself. If you do it for someone or something else, it won't last.
RedDeadlift 5y ago
Just look at her and smirk
dulkemaru51 5y ago
You're doomed to make her tingle...
Imitate her squeaky voice and lisp out "Uoo don't take mii theriouthleee", and when she gets "mad", laugh at her and tickle-attack her ribs.
It's a shit-test. Read the sidebar to learn how to handle them. When you get the basics, you can begin to creatively bend the rules.
aherrns 5y ago
Once I made her vagina imitate her. We were naked in bed after a mediocre fucksession. She said smthing like that (you want me only as your fuckdoll) so I grabbed both her lips and imitating her voice I repeated what she said. She attacked me and tickled me. We had a better session after that.
I wouldn't have EVER done that without TRP.
poshmarkedbudu 5y ago
You just reply with your second option but do it with a sarcastic tone and a wry smile and you're fine. If she keeps it up you just ignore her, make fun of her or drop her. Really it's all about not giving a fuck.
wildtimes3 5y ago
Exactly. The funny part that comes to mind is that as long as you don’t take that comment seriously, you’re good.
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Imperator_Red 5y ago
My LTR always tells me that she suspects that I secretly don't care about her career. What can I say, I really don't. It is of no consequence to me. I'd rather she do well than fail, but overall it really just doesn't enter into the equation of shit that I care about.
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manbearpiglord 5y ago
Great post. Agree with you completely on this. Including Migrant Crisis.
lukee-z 5y ago
Great post! I like the analogies haha ????????
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NobodyP1 5y ago
I like this sub I’m 19 and I guess you would say I took the red pill but I have a ton to learn still. Especially with girls
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Neutral_User_Name 5y ago
Read up my friend. Hang around, read the daily threads, read the sidebar.
For some people, it takes a while to shed the blue-pill shades, for some other it's quicker, or even right away! Believe it or not, it took my 2 YEARS before I had that major "click" in my brain. I'm older, perhaps slow. Welcome and good luck.
DeChef2 5y ago
Better idea: actually go out and do it. Make your mistakes and then you can learn from them.
But you can't improve without first doing it.
NobodyP1 5y ago
Preach it for the past few days I’ve dropped a good amount of bad habits and been working out and eating right and what’s shocking weird I’ve had girls come up to me and ask me for my number... this is my second semester in college and that’s never happened