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Intro

Growing up, we are taught by the men in our family these four concepts that comprise almost the entirety of manhood. You must respect those that are experienced and skilled, you must be loyal to your word and your family, you must honor your traditions, and you always have to do the right thing. This is what kept early societies in order. For without a proper hierarchy, chaos would ensue.

These early civilizations knew women. They understood their hypergamic nature. In every major religion, adultery was a crime with severe punishment. Harlotry was frowned upon. Either keep your hypergamy in check (or in secret) or you will be ostracized. This is why “slut-shaming” exists. Promiscuous women carry a certain guilt, while every natural instinct in a man screams to avoid committing to one. All this time, hypergamy was kept in check... Until now.

Manipulation

For those who are Machiavellian in nature, identifying an individual’s core values is vital to attaining what you desire from them. Women are simply better at manipulation than men. They are more attuned to displays of emotion than men are, and thus are able to prey on these emotions more subtly.

Does he have a reputation for being loyal? Good. I can mimic displays of loyalty to keep him in line, while at the same time know he isn’t cheating behind my back.

Is he honorable? Good. I can appeal to his sense of honor by sticking to my word every once in a while.

Does he have a good moral compass? Good. When in doubt, I can always amplify my victimhood to convince him that his minor wrongdoings have significant weight.

While displays of these qualities are pleasant, they are but displays. They are only advertisements that are used to convince you that the product is genuine. When a situation calls for necessary actualization of these qualities, they will either present themselves reluctantly or not at all. Whenever a woman presents to you a quality that you would appreciate in a man, be wary of her intentions.

Amused Mastery

Fundamentally, this is why Amused Mastery works. You are acknowledging her attempts, and communicating that you know exactly what she’s doing without verbally stating so. One of the reasons Amused Mastery is so attractive is because it’s pre-selection done easy. It says “I’ve been with enough women to know what you’re doing”.

Whenever she displays the aforementioned qualities, I like to playfully acknowledge her attempts. “Wow you are sooo trustworthy”, said with a smirk. Or “You are truly a man of your word”, said with exaggerated surprise. The key is to never take these attempts seriously. Never seriously accuse her of manipulation, there will always be plausible deniability.

Flip the Script

Use these qualities to manipulate her instead. The better the display of these qualities you are reputable for, the more convincing it becomes.

If she is convinced you are trustworthy, you can do all kinds of things without her knowledge. As a side note, I find it more useful for her to stay curious about whether she’s the only one I’m seeing, but some might revel in her cathartic emotional breakdown when she finds out she isn’t.

If she is convinced you are honest, you have the steering wheel of her imagination to guide it wherever you so please. You can take her on multiple emotional trips with your words alone. Tread carefully, this can backfire if she figures out what you’re doing.

If she is convinced you are morally superior, you can get her to do almost anything. Remember, her morality does not come from her, it comes from whatever she feels is right at the moment. As a relatable example, she can think that cheating is absolutely immoral, yet she will manage to justify it as moral when she does it. If you have the moral high ground in her eyes, you can highjack the hamster by feeding it the appropriate rationalization.

Conclusion

To women, these qualities are not as binding as they are to men. They are illusion spells that she can cast upon unsuspecting men. Women no longer need these qualities to survive, they only need our sexual desire to achieve their goals. As men who are pulling back the curtains of society, we must be aware of how our core operating values are being preyed upon.

[-] wildtimes3 50 Points 3 months ago

Going down the rabbit hole of purposeful manipulation of LTR is risky business IMO. I think the line is hard to see and very thin sometimes between being the prize who is aloof and full on planning to manipulate everyday.

If she requires that much work, is a LTR worth it? If we’re going full dark triad, that’s one thing, but aren’t we supposed to avoid that?

Sure is easier closing the empathy door but it can’t be healthy long term.

[-] whatdidshewrite 31 Points 3 months ago

I’m not condoning this, but I had 2 stunning LTRs that I used to manipulate emotionally and they literally ate shit out of my hand. So it works.

(I have a therapist now)

[-] TheScarletScholar 40 Points 3 months ago

Genuinely curious, do you have a scat fetish? Or was this a colloquial use of 'literally'?

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[-] wildtimes3 1 Point 3 months ago

Oh I know it works. That’s part of the quandary, isn’t it?

[-] p3n1x 3 Points 3 months ago

If she requires that much work

For some, it isn't work. It is second nature.

That is like saying female emotions are "work" for them.

[-] wildtimes3 2 Points 3 months ago

Upvotes. I fully understand that point. It’s actually more difficult for me to live with empathy. I find myself moving to the triad as a default. Ive spent a lot of time working on not letting that happen unless I want it to.

I think my point is that: if we plan to live within the standard acceptable moral framework and let our virtues be the things that people see and respond to, not our manipulative nature, a long-term relationship doesn’t necessarily seem like the place to make an exception.

[-] p3n1x 2 Points 3 months ago

Ah, thank you, I see your point more clearly and agree.

[-] Popeman79 39 Points 3 months ago

Righteousness is what differentiate us from women. Don't undervalue it. The strong and righteous will always prevail over only the strong.

Some women are righteous, they're akin to unicorns. Usually it's because it's been strongly ingrained in their education, most of the time by their father. A man can become righteous on his own, a woman will be taught to be righteous. Religion was a great tool in the past to keep women from straying.

In your ltr you can teach your woman to be righteous. Women are malleable creatures, by punishments and rewards you can slowly make them behave. But best to find one of those few who have been educated with strong morals.

You're absolutely right in that we shouldn't listen to their displays of righteousness. Watch what they do, not what they say.

[-] whatdidshewrite 14 Points 3 months ago

I think in total, the value of righteousness has gone down (as part of the decline of society). It’s disadvantageous to constrain yourself to a set of rules that no one else follows - especially ones as dumb (in my opinion) as morals.

I work in the finance industry and I see this every day.

[-] p3n1x 1 Point 3 months ago

righteous

Subjective and nature isn't righteous by your definition. Nature is greater than any humans ideology.

When people deny their nature they become vanilla and boring.

[-] WarriorMonkMode 2 Points 3 months ago

It is in a man's nature to be righteous.

And sometimes all a man needs is a nice, simple cup of vanilla ice cream.

[-] TopOccasion29 1 Point 3 months ago

It is in a man's nature to be righteous.

Bullshit...Most men aren't "righteous". Nature and biology isn't righteous or evil. It just is.

[-] WarriorMonkMode 3 Points 3 months ago

It is natural for men and women to engage in morality on some level.

Explain to me what natural means to you.

Dolphins rape for fun.

Dolphins also help man.

Monkeys know when they're getting a raw deal, when they receive stones whilst their brothers receive grapes.

I say it again, a man being righteous is natural. Men have been bred to be moral beings through thousands of years of religious evolution.

Now, is being moral always conducive to sexual success? No. Being totally moral in today's age is definitely not conducive.

For example, Hitler believed he was performing a righteous fury, even if his results were atrocious.

Righteousness isn't always moral in nature. Perhaps it's hardly moral at all.

[-] p3n1x 1 Point 3 months ago

Again, "righteous" defined by whom??

Is righteous action? or Belief that you are?

Why throughout history have we followed so many "non-righteous" leaders?

And sometimes a man needs a nice cup of "what the fuck wooooo" to stop being a lazy punk or a blind sheep.

[-] ruga2 1 Point 3 months ago

That's blue pill bullshit.

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A woman doesn't have self control, so his education means nothing. Her instinct is not rational.

[-] TheObservationalist 1 Point 3 months ago

Her instinct is 100% rational. Her instinct produced you. You don't need to understand it or even like it. Hypergamy is evolution in its original form.

[-] ruga2 1 Point 3 months ago

Her instinct has a reason, but is not rational itself. It is mechanical, preprogrammed at birth, written on her DNA.

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Her instinct purpose is to make sure that her education, opinions and social conditioning doesn't affect her matting with alpha males.

That's why "teach your woman to be righteous" is a waste of time.

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You NEED to understand her instinct, if you want it to work on your benefit.

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[-] wildtimes3 1 Point 3 months ago

Serious question. Do you base the idea that righteousness wins out in the end on anything?

I don’t disagree, but I’m curious to hear what you have to say.

I think the fact that there are more people than ever and it is the safest time to be alive along with consistently increased age expectancy and decreased infant mortality are signs that humanity will generally move in a positive direction on a long enough time scale.

It’s hard to think that way all the time though. On small timescales righteousness doesn’t always pay off for the practitioner

[-] Popeman79 3 Points 3 months ago

First, generally speaking the strength you derive from others is bigger than your own. For example, if you have to climb a mountain because at the top there is a medicine that cures your fatal disease, if the mountain is too high, maybe you'll collapse and accept your faith. But if the medicine is for your dying child or brother, it gives extra strength and you might get further.

Also, it really depends on how we define righteousness. To me, it's doing both what is fair to be done, and what needs to be done. When I'm a slob and still decide to go to the gym, I do it because it's the right thing to do. So I wouldn't say righteousness is always a synonym of weakness. Being righteous with myself is to fight when necessary, instead of coming up with excuses as to why not to fight because it's easier.

Finally as men, we constantly have the ability to grow. But to grow, we have to be humble. For instance we all got to the TRP by being humble and accepting that what we knew could be wrong. Being righteous is the humility of the soul, it helps you to grow by looking beyond yourself.

You're right though that the righteous ones aren't always the winners. In my professional area maybe I could have had better results by cheating, I don't know. But I wouldn't trade it for the efforts and the lessons learned, which have brought me to be pretty well off anyway.

[-] wildtimes3 1 Point 3 months ago

The strength argument is good.

The difference between righteousness and morality is falling apart for me though. The definitions don’t help me much.

Nouns:

mo·ral·i·ty

principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior - - More- -a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.

right·eous·ness

the quality of being morally right or justifiable.

Adjectives:

right·eous

(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.

mor·al

concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

ETA:

Is this the righteousness parable?

It’s a wise role of the dice to play it safe in a ten-year career while doing nothing wrong. But if you’re trying to be a disruptive prophet, be prepared to be a martyr on the short term even if you do everything right.

[-] Gaboyski_ 18 Points 3 months ago

Old-school courtship worked in past generations, not because any young man was offering his loyalty to the woman he wants to marry, but the woman's father instead. The suitor was trying to negotiate on clear, if not equal terms, with another male to whom the woman submits to. If he fails to keep his word of fidelity, he does not really offend his wife, but his father-in-law instead.

[-] Batmanforreal2 3 Points 3 months ago

How do you even come up with this stuff? It makes perfect sense.

[-] midnight_metro 3 Points 3 months ago

It's how society operated for almost all of human history.

[-] wildtimes3 1 Point 3 months ago

He didnt' come up with it, but it is good info. It's pretty amazing how much basic information is hidden about a time that was not all that long ago.

[-] SeasonedRP 15 Points 3 months ago

You mention early civilizations and how in every major religion, adultery was a crime. One point I'd like to add is that in Judaism, adultery had a specific meaning much narrower than how the term is used today. Adultery meant someone other than the husband having sex with a married woman. It did not include a married man having sex with an unmarried woman, or a man divorcing his wife and remarrying, or any of the other meanings taught by Christian churches today. Thus, the Seventh Commandment forbids having sex with a married woman, and does not include other sexual behavior. This meaning used by the ancient Hebrews indicates to me that, in key ways, they understood sex differences much better than the modern world does. Note how no Christian churches today use that meaning of adultery and instead focus almost exclusively on male sexual behavior without regard to who the male's partner is.

[-] Imalostman_ 3 Points 3 months ago

I didn't know that about Judaism. Islam is somewhere in the middle there. As a man, if you fuck an unwed woman, you get lashed, if you fuck a married one, you both get killed.

But you can marry a second (up to 4) wife without your first's approval as long as you can provide. And the woman is to submit to you by law. Not a bad deal IMO.

[-] James_Rustler_ 6 Points 3 months ago

Imagine having to deal with 4 modern women!

[-] wildtimes3 2 Points 3 months ago

I’ve had 2 together for about 5 days in a row. Not saying it’s a good goal, or worth it, but they do entertain themselves quite a bit. With one, you are the only one responsible for that.

[-] archaic-guy 7 Points 3 months ago

Honor doesnt mean being stupid you only kept your word as long as others do the same.

Neither is having honor being weak in fact it is the supossed morality of the Kings and Noblese.

Heck it is a power source as having honor makes you angry when an injustice is comitted agaisnt you forcing you to react against it and also becuase having honor gives you reputation wich is vital in bussiness , you just said it trustworthy persons are scarce that makes them valuable and among the flock.

[-] redpill77 3 Points 3 months ago

Remember, her morality does not come from her, it comes from whatever she feels is right at the moment.

This really is hard to remember, because we can't understand what it's like to think this way.

[-] uwey 2 Points 3 months ago

Those claimed ancient name have no place in the law of power.

Law of power do not discriminate, deviate, or exonerate itself. It is the quasi rule of situation and by pass of what it appears to be realized or perceived.

It ignore the superficial and explain what is going on underneath its fake grandiose show. It expose the player on stage.

Never forget about the law. Because gun powder knows no honor, since sword, comes arrow. Armor, comes crossbow.

Honor earn you a rightful death so winner can write history.

Be ruthless, and appease only to the law, because that is the real master in the core of its game.

[-] adam-l 2 Points 3 months ago

An Early Frame Announcement, something along the lines of "I don't think men are monogamous by nature" - don't analyze, it, of course - can save you a lot of trouble later on.

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[-] SteroidsFreak 1 Point 3 months ago

Manipulating a woman ain't the right way brotha. Used to enjoy the shit out of this in my early 20s. U don't have to manipulate a women to sleep with her or for her to find u attractive. Be yourself, confident and assertive and she will sleep with you. Just remember that not all women want to sleep with you the same way you're not attracted to all women

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[-] Bilskee1 1 Point 3 months ago

"Does he have a good moral compass? Good. When in doubt, I can always amplify my victimhood to convince him that his minor wrongdoings have significant weight." Fuck this hit me hard. I have run into this numerous times and manage it. But still have more to learn. How do you deal with the victim routine ? I've tried mocking, calling it out bluntly and punishment, amused mastery attempts.

[-] strikethrough123 2 Points 3 months ago

You don’t reward a child for throwing a tantrum. Withdraw attention.

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[-] BuzzLightGear321 1 Point 3 months ago

You're not pointed, or an EC. Once upon a time, TRP required a TL DR for every post because there was too much filler. When did that rule get dropped?

[-] zyqkvx 1 Point 3 months ago

This is a typical high quality post which doesn't get enough votes for deserved visibility.

[-] ntvirtue 0 Points 3 months ago

Sounds like way too much effort....I would trade her in for a pair of younger models.

[-] SilenceOnTheWire 0 Points 3 months ago

If she is convinced you are morally superior

I thought women liked immoral jerks? I'm confused.