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I used to work with a girl named “Ciara” at a retail store. We worked together for about 3 years. During that time she was very very attractive and your typical college girl. Slept around a lot while saying she wanted a long term committed relationship and eventual marriage but still just fucking around.


I, on the other hand, was a fat virgin video game playing comic book reading boy. I orbited her for years. I drove her around in my car and talked to her about her boyfriends and shit. And I never understood why she didn’t like me. I just couldn’t see what I was not why the world reacted to me the way it did.


I’m leaving out a lot of details about me because they aren’t exactly relevant to this specific story, but Ciara moved away after college and we remained friends in social media. We never spoke anymore but we’re still friends/followed each other.


About a year after she was gone I hit my lowest low and was very close to suicide. I can’t remember if it was Reddit or somewhere else, but I remember someone making the argument to me that I had nothing to lose anymore and to just spend one year lifting, reading a few books and internalizing the lessons they tried to teach, and eventually building a better wardrobe. The typical advice that’s doled out on a daily basis, nothing magical.


I don’t know why, but I just decided to try it. I was probably scared of death and saw this as a way to procrastinate, honestly.


At any rate, a few months passed and I started to see progress. I was 340lbs when I started at 5’10”. Literally for about 6 months, I would just sit in my car outside the gym and I’d have to force myself to get out and go in. I was embarrassed and ashamed of myself to have gotten so big and disgusting.


I’m proud of the fat that each day, I did it. I got out of the car and went in, did my workout, and read a bit of the books that were suggested to me.


I still had low and difficult days, but I was moving forward.


Fast forward. 150lbs gone. Diet infinitely better. Wardrobe is much much better. And as a result, I feel more confident because of the mountain I’d just climbed and I also look a hell of a lot better. My dad was 100% a “Chad” to the point where one of his more unstable “plates” literally murdered him.


And with all that work, I finally unearthed what I inherited from him as far as genetics go. I lost my virginity and was dating and had friends and hobbies and got a new career. So yeah. That all worked.


But then one day I posted some photos on my Facebook of me the day I got hired by my airline to celebrate. There were pics of me in uniform and of me at the gym and it was basically an album of photos that showed me how far I’d come.


I posted this to share with friends and family because I felt very proud of what i had accomplished.


Guess who commented and then messaged me.




She messaged me and complimented the progress, was super interested in my new career, said we should catch up. At first I was thinking, oh, she’s just being a friend. She legit just wants to catch up. That’s cool.


I was already about to be in Chicago for a wedding shortly so yeah, let’s get together, Ciara. I fucked her literally every single day I was in Chicago. She came to MY hotel.


Again, maybe it’s the naive “blue pill” kid in me, but I thought that was it. But she kept texting me and snapping me nudes and talking about sex and I’d rarely respond because I’m not going to Chicago just for sex.


So she gets mad one day and sends one of those passive aggressive texts saying she hopes I had fun using her and turning into an asshole. I was already annoyed at the time so I responded saying I’m not interested in a long distance relationship and I’m not coming all the way to Chicago for sex.


Immediately she changes her tune and is apologetic and does that baby thing where she apologizes and admits she’s wrong but still wants to look like the innocent baby. Women do that shit a lot.


So then she says that she knows I said I wasn’t interested in a long distance relationship, but what if she came down here. So I said, “it’s not like I wouldn’t let you in if you showed up at my door.”


And she actually made that ~300 mile drive in the winter to come to my house and fuck me. I legitimately could not believe it when she was snapping me pictures of her driving.


I never met my dad but I half way wanted to call him and say “you’re not gonna fucking believe this”


The gas, the day off of work, the mileage on her car, it’s fucking cold outside...just for dick...but it wasn’t just for dick.


Because guess who wants to “try the long distance thing”?


“You’re a pilot you can be in Chicago anytime you want. We already know each other you can just stay with me while you’re up here and we can play house together and see what happens.”


That’s a literal quote from a text she sent me.


There is not a single chance I would ever ever ever date Ciara. She’s boring to talk to and not even all that hot, just a nice body and decent face. And a nasty attitude when she’s not happy.


And, just like I couldn’t see that I was a fat unattractive slob, she can’t see she’s one of the most unappealing relationship prospects ever. I’m 26. She’s 28, turning 29 in July. She has a super slutty background and a nasty attitude and she’s extremely materialistic. I guess this is the downside to wanting your former orbiter. I know too much.


So I told her I wasn’t interested in any relationship. And just like I continued to offer my time and money and friendship years ago, she’s planning on coming back down to stl in a couple weeks to fuck for another weekend when we’re both off.

I wasn’t even aware of The Red Pill until recently but my relationship with Ciara and the way it played out is insanely textbook so I felt compelled to share it.

To the younger men reading, it works. People can call it hateful or toxic or sexist or pathetic or whatever...but it works.

And if it’s stupid, but it works, it’s not stupid. Get to work on you and women will make it easy.

Book list EDIT(remember, it’s easier to read than to do. Books are only the first step):

How to Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie

Meditations (I know it’s a cliche book to suggest at this point, but just fucking read it and internalize the lessons. Again, it works.) -Marcus Aurelius

Make Your Bed- Admiral McRaven (this one is the shortest and easiest to read. Straight to the point and clear. Possibly my favorite lesson I’ve learned is from this book. It’s the chapter on “sugar cookies”. It’s worth buying just for that lesson, in my opinion.)

[-] JustLurkingIgnore 1 Point 6 months ago

Had a similar experience with a woman I met on vacation once, before the discovery of TRP.

I was wingman and figured I had no chance with her and just decided to not chase/orbit her for the entire week while her friend and my friend hung out, drank, fucked etc... I spent a lot of money just getting there, didn't want to just drink all weekend and try to get laid.

While they were all hungover or screwing, we'd just go and do activities on the island together like scuba diving and jet skiing and all that touristy shit. I'd tell her what I was doing, welcome to join or not, leaving with or without at 7am, not paying for you. I made gentle fun of her for sucking at basically every activity and being terrified of the zip lines.

The last night of the trip she comes on hard to me and somehow I don't miss it and we end up fucking. Everyone gets on a plane the next morning, goes their separate ways. She sends me a couple texts wanting to know if it was a ONS or if I'd like to get serious and I tell her I don't do long distance relationships. She lives two states and 8 hours drive away. She took off work the next Friday, spent all day driving and we banged the whole weekend - morning noon and night, she left Monday morning.

We made tentative plans for me to drive to see her sometime over the next few weeks, but as you all know by now, her feelings changed due to the time apart and it didn't happen.


[-] redpillcad 1 Point 6 months ago

First, well done. Your life is now yours to do whatever you want


My dad was 100% a “Chad” to the point where one of his more unstable “plates” literally murdered him.

The stalking and harrassment by females who become obsessed Alpha Widows is very very real. I have had to get attorneys involved myself

[-] altcoinsrich 1 Point 6 months ago

So basically you were born to win beacuse your father was Chad and you inherited his genes? Interesting. Most people are not as lucky as you are.

[-] PolarAutomata 1 Point 6 months ago

Thanks for sharing and congrats on your life win dude! Color me inspired.

[-] supermario218 1 Point 6 months ago

When the orbiter roles reverse... This was very satisfying to read. Thanks for sharing


[-] magx01 1 Point 6 months ago

Just tell her how much pilots really make and she'll be gone before you can say "new number who dis?"

[-] RPSilverfox 1 Point 6 months ago

Great story. I’m older now but my best friend from the Navy became a pilot and told me stories of countless women that approached him on layovers and many ONS he had. Something about casual sex with someone they will never see again is obviously a real turn on to women so it’s definitely out there if you want it.

[-] GreetingsFromErf 1 Point 6 months ago

Enjoy yourself, but watch it. She is at the age where baby rabies takes hold.

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[-] InformalCriticism 2 Points 6 months ago

a super slutty background and a nasty attitude and she’s extremely materialistic

Congratulations, you're fucking women who are approaching the wall at terminal velocity.

Great job taking real advice. Don't stop. Sorry about your dad getting murdered. Hope they didn't just slap that bitch on the wrist.

[-] mgtow_daddy 2 Points 6 months ago

Being attractive and loaded makes you attractive to a desperate, wall hitting thot? Who would have thought!

Tell me when you get 18 years old hb10s chasing you thid way. Lol, not go na happen.

[-] Tek_Analyst 1 Point 6 months ago

Stay humble OP.

Your story is the most basic thing that a normal male should aspire to do/be.

You’re now being orbited by a female that’s post wall. Her clock is ticking.

My advice to you is to chill, and have fun. Focus on saving money. Find a younger conservative girl with the values you want and vet her very well. No matter how confident you’ve become, a bad relationship can turn it all around again.

Keep grinding. Stories like these are the good ones.

[-] setsuna0 1 Point 6 months ago

Idk you but I'm proud you got so far. I'm going through a lot right now and needed to hear this. It's crazy how we can change our life with the right mindset and action.

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[-] Synthetic_Citizen 3 Points 6 months ago

Im glad you have her figured out. Shes approaching the wall and remembers how easily you parted with your time, aytention and resources when you orbited her in the past. She expected to snag you easily as a provider but you wont fall for it, her plan now is to display an oscar winning performance of how she is worthy of your commitment and wiggle her way into your like by using the promise of sex on tap. Shes probably hoping one day you will forget to wear a condom, she may even blow you and use your semen to impregnate herself. The posibilities with a girl like this are endless.

I would suggest cutting her out of your life in order to avoid the risk. She remembers you as a beta and still sees you as a beta. Its like blood in the water, she believes in her ability to gain your trust and manipilate you into committing because she has doen it easily in the past.

[-] geo_gan 2 Points 6 months ago

She is playing such an obvious game she might as well be walking around with Nintendo controllers in her hands ????

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[-] BlueEstee 2 Points 6 months ago

Congrats man, your journey is impressive and inspirational. Stay hungry, don't settle for any girl, keep lifting and focusing on your career.

Keep it up!

[-] suxxos 1 Point 6 months ago

Huh, I didn't know you had to go on redpill to learn that being fat is considered unattractive. Lol.

[-] IFap2PoolPartyDraven 1 Point 6 months ago

I'm actually doing my PPL for rotorcraft right now, planning on doing it as a career - what's your pilot job?

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[-] Oscalev 2 Points 6 months ago

Good for you man shit like this makes me so happy. It really blows my mind how well the advice here works if you actually apply it. Very happy for you and your father would be proud. Keep up the good work and have fun out there brother.

[-] Wolveryn 3 Points 6 months ago

I had a similar kind of experience entering into the red pill world. I was never fat, I was skinny fat. Unhealthy and definitely not muscley or confident in my appearance to the outside world...

Anyway I made a lot of relationship mistakes once I started getting positive feedback, twice I fell in love, became blue pilled only for her to lose attraction permanently, and I ended up marrying an extremely attractive women who ultimately cheated on me because she would get attention from other men, often wealthier/better looking/taller than me...and now I’m divorced, I’m 32, I have enough plates and ability to pick up new ones so easily that I basically have the problem of too much pussy.

I only mention this to point out that, your red pill success has vulerabilities that can lead you back down blue pilled roads... at least in my experience anyway.

If you could learn one thing from me, never get married. And if you don’t believe me, talk to any guy that is married and get him to tell the truth about marriage after a few beers..

Zero men have a positive experience on the matter. Some will lie except to their closest buddies and say it’s a good experience... but over time you’ll come to see just how fucken dangerous it is your life’s happiness.

[-] ___Galaxy 2 Points 6 months ago

How does it feel being a chad?

[-] Kevin19Fish 2 Points 6 months ago

Congratulations on taking control of your life man

[-] Managicall 0 Points 6 months ago

tl;dr kid grows up and discovers adults don't give a fuck.

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[-] BrosefJones85 1 Point 6 months ago

I always let girls know this "I am not looking for a LTR right now. It's not completely off the table but very very unlikely. Just enjoying myself". I say that partly to cover myself, partly to keep her interested and partly because, hey, you never know.

More girls than not are fine with this but you get a few that will text you after a couple fucks with "so where have you been?" and get passive aggressive. I just ignore it.

[-] surf-excel 1 Point 6 months ago

I was a looser in highschool , looked v ugly w braces and everything , a year after i joined adclg, i got a 6 pack and chics who called me ugly in highschool wanna fuck me

[-] WakeUpAlreadyDude 1 Point 6 months ago

This is a great story. Amazing job.

[-] robikin 4 Points 6 months ago

First time commenting on TRP after a year and a half of lurking.

Had to comment because it's the first time I see a post about someone who's also an airline pilot. I can definitely relate with the part where people (girls especially) from your past hit you up out of nowhere to meet up/ catch up, pretty crazy. You made the right decision, with our job and this mindset towards girls, you're good. I know a lot of pilots (and I'm sure you do too) dating girls in one city while they're always flying and you can see how it affects their work, focus and mental health. It's a job where getting attached to women can make EVERYTHING go sideways extremely fast. Some guy told me he's scared his girl will leave him cause he's never there, and I heard about some other guy who asked the captain if he "could be pilot monitoring for every sector of that day because he can't stop thinking about something that happened with his girlfriend who lives in Paris".

Great post, keep doing what you doing. And like I always say to my pilot friends, do as many ILS touch and go's as you can on the bitch then divert due to runway flooded.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 2 Points 6 months ago

“Do as many ILS touch and go’s as you can on the bitch” ???????? that’s funny.

Just out of curiosity, what do you fly? Im on the e145 and hopefully I’ll be changing airlines and flying the 737 soon.

[-] robikin 1 Point 6 months ago

Haha so many great aviation related jokes, it's a shame most people don't understand what the fuck we're talking about.

I'm on A320 brother, got my airline job back in december, I love it to be honest, jets just give you a powerful feeling.

You'll love the 737, did my MCC JOC on it, you have a lot more freedom when it comes to manoeuvering and making decisions then we do on Airbus though, can't lie.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 1 Point 6 months ago

Well I could still end up on Airbus, especially with the airline I’m interviewing with. And if I do, at least I’ll have that posh ass table to eat off of

[-] robikin 1 Point 6 months ago

That brings me to one of my other fav things to say when someone on Boeing talks shit " Well at least we got a fucking table"

Best of luck and enjoy embraer 145, it will give you a lot of knowledge and skill as it flies almost like a heavier cessna, which will help when you move on to 737 or airbus

[-] MasterShake777 1 Point 6 months ago

How long did it take you to get to this point once you started?

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 3 Points 6 months ago

It’s been about 5ish years

[-] SensualSeduction01 1 Point 6 months ago

Dude what do u look like? Seriously

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 1 Point 6 months ago

I’d put myself at 6.5 or 7/10. I’m handsome and (now) I’m very fit, but I’m not especially tall at 5’10”.

I’m definitely handsome, but I’m not like Brad Pitt level attractive. I appeal to some womens’ tastes very well.

[-] SensualSeduction01 1 Point 6 months ago

Bruh pm me a pic (blur out ur eyes). I need to see this lol

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[-] gerfcam 2 Points 6 months ago

What happened with your dad and his plate

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 4 Points 6 months ago

According to his/my cousins that I spoke with, he was sleeping with a bunch of different women and had them paying for his apartment, his clothes, his car, everything. Tensions built and built and one of the girls went to his place and ended up shooting him in the head. The true story of what happened there, I’ll never know. So I just let it go

[-] bitopansad 3 Points 6 months ago

And people wildly speculating about him not being a true role model. I'm pretty sure there's a backstory which the OP doesn't know and since we're talking about RP and not Role Models, let's keep it at that fellas.

To OP, good job. The biggest thing that controls us mortals is fear. I remember the time when I was ragged in college so bad that one day I just decided to DGAF and tell me, ' They're not gonna kill me, so what do I have to lose '. Trust me, in a room full of 100 guys, that's what earns you respect, and saves your ass. And if that works on guys, that girls are no match to that fucking awesome aura of yours.

It also made me a particularly red pilled 21 year old back then.

[-] rb-14 1 Point 6 months ago

Any issues like loose skin/stretch marks from losing that much weight?

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 1 Point 6 months ago

I lucked out. I have loose skin not nearly as much as other people at my height and who weighed as much as I did. That, and I do lift (shocker, I know), so I’ve been able to add about 5lbs and it’s noticeable when I’m naked, but nothing major.

If it was bad, I’d have the surgery. But at this point, I don’t think I will

[-] ainihon 1 Point 6 months ago

A PILOT in here?!! This is insanely motivating!

[-] SuperCrazy07 1 Point 6 months ago

Well, an unqualified one anyway.

[-] ainihon 2 Points 6 months ago

Just noticed the username hahaha

[-] bestsparkyalive 1 Point 6 months ago

We’re all super proud of how far you’ve came and we’re so happy you’re alive and with us my friend. You’re an inspiration.

[-] budfox26 2 Points 6 months ago

Loved reading your story. Loved the line where you said you wanted to call your late father and tell him about your achievement. I'm sure he's 'watching'. :)

[-] jon94 1 Point 6 months ago

Fellow STL guy here. You done good.

Fun fact, I used to work on the ambulance at lambert

[-] nofilmynofucky 5 Points 6 months ago

Probably 1% of the guys on here have reached the point that you have. Well fucking done my man, you've earned it.

[-] Yakatonker 0 Points 6 months ago

"The traveling woman", its a concept I've seen myself. The things women will do for what they perceive as quality dick, though as you rightly pointed out she was doing this more out of desperation for fear of not locking down a quality partner. She also likely perceived you as an easier target because she likely assumed you to have some lingering beta characteristics. Ergo she likely thought you'd be an easy, quality mark.

Though its important for the young and inexperienced to understand women, not men have far more geographic mobility in terms of partners. MT-DNA(female DNA branch) historically is shown to be vastly more mobile, not surprising given the basic premise of the female hypergamous instinct and the nature of such things in the sexual market place.

[-] VillagersUnite 13 Points 6 months ago

300 miles for dick sounds strange. Play carefully.

[-] magx01 5 Points 6 months ago

It wasn't for dick. It was for $$$$ She thinks he's making/gonna make bank.

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[-] VasiliyZaitzev 3 Points 6 months ago

Congrats on your improvement.

Careful with the girl though, that she doesn't pull the goalie on you.

Since she liked to be dominated, have a look at these:

Uncle Vasya’s Guide to Submissive Women

-How to lead when she wants to follow.

Of Human Bondage – Uncle Vasya’s Guide for Men Who Like To Tie Up Young Ladies.

-The Field Guide to playing knotty games with naughty girls.

[-] opper-hombre1 2 Points 6 months ago

so are we just gonna ignore the fact a plate murdered your dad?


But honestly, Good work man. I don't even know who you are, but I'm proud of you.

[-] OSaraiva 2 Points 6 months ago

Nice job! What did you do to improve your career in a year? That's something that usually takes some time.

[-] juddshanks 2 Points 6 months ago

This was a great read.

I think your dad would be unbelievably proud if he saw how you'd turned out and how you'd overcome your weaknesses.

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[-] DigitalDragonSlayer 2 Points 6 months ago

It’s like gravity, fuckers in the first century may not know it, but jump off a cliff and it’s there. The SMP, and ways to improve and increase SMV always existed, whether one believes in it or not is aware of it. TRP is just the first, publicly known collection of SMP/SMV content and ideas crowdsourced from men who care. Glad you improved, and glad you discovered TRP, and even better you are sharing your story.

RIP to your dad.

[-] F_Dingo 2 Points 6 months ago

She drives 300 miles for an O, nice job man.

[-] macheagle 25 Points 6 months ago

Fantastic story, thanks for sharing. Fellow aviator here. Just a reminder - you might not wanna share the part about having contemplated suicide. You never know who here’s in the FAA or FSDO and may link you to something personally identifiable in your profile. I’ve seen a few cases like this online where the pilot bro lost his job this way. They take this shit seriously for your 2nd/1st class medical as you may know.

From an aviator to another - congratulations on the transformation. Blue skies and tailwinds!

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 18 Points 6 months ago

Thank you, Germanwings 9525 and MH370. But jokes aside, thanks for the tip.

[-] BuzzLightGear321 2 Points 6 months ago

I guess this is the downside to wanting your former orbiter. I know too much.

The funny thing is, she doesn't see the things you know/she did as negative things. The thought of what type of girl you want for a relationship doesn't even cross her mind, the answer always is "Me, I'm the type of girl he wants". It's like the advice they tell guys, "Just be yourself" she thinks being her slutty used up materialistic self is good enough, despite the fact that the fat lazy old you wasn't good enough for her.

[-] TRP8myfeels 3 Points 6 months ago

Big smile for you sir. Shit like this is great, it's nice to see a woman give that much effort for a man.


Hope you two are friends a long time, she sounds like a great chick to see now and then.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 10 Points 6 months ago

She’s loud annoying and entitled, but if she’s gonna drive to me, feed me, and fuck me, I’ll keep talking to her for a few more weeks

[-] donkey_democrat 9 Points 6 months ago

Watch out, she may be plotting something. She sounds a little crazy. Consider switching girls

[-] Bad_nuggets69 3 Points 6 months ago

Congratulations dude.

This is the kind of story that this subreddit is built for.

[-] Fyrjefe 11 Points 6 months ago

and I’m not coming all the way to Chicago for sex.

I know that this was a bit of a throw-away line, but it spoke to me about your level of abundance. Clearly, your job and lifestyle have captivated you so much that a woman doesn't get more than a penciling in in your schedule. So much outcome independence. Thanks for sharing and keep doing what moves you.

[-] ArdAtak 2 Points 6 months ago

I love stories like this. Stories that highlight the evolution of a man's mind (rather than stories about how an HB 6.2 touched your arm when you made her laugh). Good for you bro. Keep on keepin' on.

[-] grewapair -14 Point 6 months ago

Oh geez, let me save you the trouble. This is the easiest profile for a guy with a good career ahead of him: Female, 28-32 heading down, seeing all her friends getting married and looking for a nice guy with a big wallet she can use. Still reasonably attractive, but she knows the clock is ticking, and her options are thinning. In my case, usually she has a fairly well off dad.

This is not a success story by any means. Your crowing about it just proves how nieve you are.

Listen to my success story and you'll see how pathetic you look: "Hey everyone, I've been a loser my whole life, but I started taking some night classes in bitcoin and after working my ass off at improving myself, a Nigerian Prince just e-mailed me and boy are my fortunes turning around!! I sure am glad I did this and that and this other thing because let me tell you, life is about MAKING THINGS HAPPEN and I just did! I'll let you know more, because I just sent him $1500 that is going to turn into $15,000!!!" Think of how pathetic someone is with that kind of "field report".

So no, nothing has changed. She's reaching her sell-by date and here's what all that lifting and weight loss did for you with the 28-32 crowd: told them you are so desperate for a woman you'll do anything to get one. That's it. 28-32 year old women are equally as desperate, so they will hold their nose and date anyone with a wallet. Particularly a woman with an exciting career in retail.

You've now labeled yourself as an easy mark for women looking to use someone. Call us when the 22-26 year olds start chasing you. What's that? They aren't. Then hold onto your fucking wallet or you're going to get used. The 28-32 year old demographic is going to eat you alive.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 16 Points 6 months ago

I went from suicidal to living a great life. That’s success by the only metric that matters: mine.

You act as if I’m about to marry this girl. Idk. Your comment seems much more about you than it is about me. Good luck.

[-] BPasFuck 8 Points 6 months ago

A nice response to u/grewapair.

Between the lines of his excess negativity, I think he's trying to point out as others did, that this chick and her demographic probably still see you as a beta, and are super desperate to lock you and your paycheck down.

You already seem aware of this issue, and that's good. Because ultimately, it doesn't matter what these women want-- all that matters is what you want.

It's the same thing as if you won the lottery and had a swarm of golddiggers buzzing around you. Doesn't matter if they're after a ring and your money, as long as you're getting what you want, (the sex) and refusing to let them trap you.

Anyway-- I enjoyed reading your story, and I'm glad Marcus Aurelius and Dale Carnegie helped you save yourself.

[-] grewapair 1 Point 6 months ago

Yes, do this for yourself. But don't measure success by how many 29 year old retail clerks suddenly want to fuck a guy with money. They are worthless. You are the prize.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 6 Points 6 months ago

I don’t measure success by that, she worked retail when she was in college. This is a specific story that I shared because a girl I orbited is now obsessed with me. I also have literally not spent a dime on her and I won’t.

[-] grewapair -6 Point 6 months ago

My only point is you are aging into the 28-32 year old demographic with a good job. You can't trust their actions or words in this situation. You don't know if she's obsessed with you or your wallet and in that demographic, you need to be extremely suspicious because there is nearly a 100% chance it's your wallet. And by nearly, I mean somewhere between 100% and 105%.

Women lie to get what they want. They will sleep with a guy they couldn't care less about if they see him as their only option. In the 28-32 range, they will do this with abandon. A woman in the 28-32 year old demographic can be trusted no more than a common drug addict.

My only point is don't come on here and say "Gollllliee Gee Whilikers! I sure done turned myself into a dandy!" when it's a 28-32 year old.

In all likelihood, you're being set up to be used. A 28-32 year old woman is a Nigerian Prince. I'm sure there's a real Nigerian Prince somewhere, but your chance of meeting a real one is almost zero and the chance that a 29 year old who sees you in a pilot's uniform suddenly falls in love is just about zero. Call us when the 22-24 year olds are driving across the country.

[-] ex_addict_bro 18 Points 6 months ago


Hope you had a condom or two.

You may or may not be a Chad, but she's fucked up in the head for sure.

[-] jas1989 20 Points 6 months ago

She's a woman in 2019 then

[-] ex_addict_bro 14 Points 6 months ago

Well, yes, kind of... but that's another thing.

In my past times I've had a few girls get on tran and ride about 10 hrs to get to me. One was sexually abused as child and had abusive father. Me in turn - I was an alcoholic.

Today I see a friend of mine having a bf literally 2.5 hrs away by plane.

My theory is that people like this actually use those relationships to escape their lives. Nothing more.

The worst idea is "when we'll move in together everything will be fine". It won't be. Numerous proof IRL, on TRP and AskTRP.

[-] jas1989 12 Points 6 months ago

Long distance relationships are fucking dumb. My friend is in one, basically has an invisible friend who influences his life.

[-] SuperCrazy07 2 Points 6 months ago

I’ve never had nor will I ever have an LDR, but “invisible friend who influences his life” is the best description I’ve heard yet.

[-] jas1989 2 Points 6 months ago

Now I think about it, I'm pretty sure Rollo said something similar so don't credit me lol.

[-] ex_addict_bro 3 Points 6 months ago

This exactly.

This is an escape from everyday's life and it tends to be addictive.

I remember posting some shit about that long, long, long time ago.

[-] jas1989 6 Points 6 months ago

My friend gets fuck all out of it though, she's overweight and filled with drama. I'm trying to sprinkle a few redpills here and there but I might have to just straight up tell him his gf is a fat bitch

[-] PublicQuantity 2 Points 6 months ago

What were the books you read?

[-] Risesu 171 Points 6 months ago

Yes but she's also approaching the wall and sees $$$ in her eyes at you. Wrap it up, and don't be surprised if a happy "accident" comes along soon.


I can imagine it now,

"oh we always had sexual tension in the past!"

"I guess it took so many years for our friendship to evolve into something more!"



[-] BobbyPeru 10 Points 6 months ago

Yes but she's also approaching the wall and sees $$$ in her eyes at you.

My exact thought. She remembered the fat beta orbiter who got ripped and expected you to still have the fat beta attitude. She was looking for beta bux. I guess she didn’t get that. Props

[-] BrainDamnedged 4 Points 6 months ago

If you are impressed when you look back at the days when women gaslighted you, you wouldn’t believe the intensity they do that shit to themselves.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 105 Points 6 months ago

Lol. I always wear condoms but she’s also into being dominated so I’ve only ever cum in her mouth or on her face. But yes, I hear you and you’re right. Always a condom. Always.

[-] ethbytes 8 Points 6 months ago

Spermjacking is real, flush them rubbers and make sure they drown...

[-] weag5l 19 Points 6 months ago

flush them rubbers

Don't be like female idiots who think technology is magic. Plumbing is not a black hole.

[-] dr_spirits 3 Points 6 months ago

I am a plumber and can confirm

[-] gtslow 31 Points 6 months ago

Bro, don't be surprised if she runs to the restroom and redeposits your spunk. It has happened before, and it can happen to you. Careful what you put your dick in.

[-] Avicythe 56 Points 6 months ago

Fukken hell nigga you impress me

[-] NuclearMelonMan 2 Points 6 months ago

Would you mind sharing all the books you read that helped you become who you are today?

[-] AdmirableStretch 1 Point 6 months ago

Good for you man, very motivating.

[-] cat_magnet 19 Points 6 months ago

Your dad was killed by a plate? Awesome work on turning your life around.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 31 Points 6 months ago

Shot him in the head 9 months, to the day after I was born. Never even held me. Why? Mommy wouldn’t let him see me. I’m not to the point of saying all women are like that, but it’s gonna take a whole fucking lot for any woman to earn my trust

[-] cat_magnet 15 Points 6 months ago

Jesus. Very sorry to hear that. Ive plated a few bi polars and crazies in the past I could see how it happens.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 19 Points 6 months ago

Be careful. I don’t deal with women who have mental illnesses that severe. They’re not worth the risk.

[-] SilenceOnTheWire 10 Points 6 months ago

Those women are horrible but it's not like your father was a pure and innocent angel led astray by the evil women, you know. It's honorable that you are trying to make him proud but becoming like him maybe isn't the solution. Just pointing it out.

[-] bitopansad 10 Points 6 months ago

He was murdered by a plate. That might nothing to do with why his mom won't let his father see the kid? Who knows maybe even he was a blue-pilled beta until conscience kicked in and he knew that marriage was eating him alive.

[-] SilenceOnTheWire 5 Points 6 months ago

It has to do with the fact that he let one crazy woman around and another who wouldn't let him see his kid. Red pilled or not, maybe he wasn't the best role model.

[-] sevenlast -5 Point 6 months ago

Gtf outta here with that gay shit.

[-] bowhunter6 10 Points 6 months ago

I don’t know you, but, being a dad, I am certain that your father would be very proud of you. Now you just have to keep grinding until you die.

[-] B-L-G-Y 47 Points 6 months ago

Not that it matters, but it sounds to me like she thinks you've become a better man on the outside but that you might still be her provider on the inside. I can't point to anything that stands out. Just a gut feeling I have considering what she says she wants, your illustrious new career (congrats, man!), and her age.

Anyway man, you've got your head on straight it seems. Good on you.

[-] Auvergnat 7 Points 6 months ago

You’re right, women’s epiphany phase always help but would have she contacted him without his hard work in the gym and career? And would she be throwing all that sex at him in the vain hope of getting him to commit?

OP will know soon if the girl sees him as a high beta provider or as alpha stock - she’ll either stop seeing him or not after she sees her efforts to get him to commit don’t bear fruits. If it’s the former, she’ll move on to try to ensnare another provider and OP now redpill aware will move on to other plates. In all cases, it’s all benefit to OP

[-] An_Actual_Politician 28 Points 6 months ago

Her reiterating his own career back to him (high earning potential and social value/prestige being a pilot) gave it away. She's trying to lock that paycheck down.

Yep - I agree with you 100%. At least this is a rare post where OP isn't being Capt. SaveAHoe and recognizes her beta-seeking game, too.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 36 Points 6 months ago

Could be, but if that’s true it’s so funny how we literally switched spots as far as who is deluding themselves. In spite of all evidence, I thought I had a chance back then.

Now, she’s paid for food when we’ve been together. She drove to my hotel. She drove to my house, she’s putting in all the effort. Me? I’ve got an interview with a new airline soon and a dog to care for. Both mean infinitely more to me than anything she can offer.

[-] HotHead121 5 Points 6 months ago

You just motivated me and im really proud of you m8 keep up the good work.

[-] toolate4redpill 81 Points 6 months ago

Nice work! I tell all the young guys this, no matter how "unobtainable" a young woman is- nature has a way of leveling the playing field if you improve yourself. The old age "women age like milk-men age like wine" so so damn true. By my age women are cast away by society, while I'm celebrated for being successful and young looking for my age.

[-] BrosefJones85 5 Points 6 months ago

Early 30s, constantly thought to be in early 20s. Even teen girls are fawning after me (I have mid teen-late teen cousins and their friends love me). I stay away unless they are over the legal age in my area obviously. Older married women with husbands who are... well... not effective in bed have even chased me.

I teach my younger female cousins that exact quote "women age like milk-men age like wine". Have fun but by your mid-twenties you should be married. The younger one has double Ds but isn't some instagram whore. They seem level headed. No they aren't perfect virgins but I don't think that is valuable or even realistic.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 21 Points 6 months ago

To add on to this, people always thought I was much older than I was. I would get offered drinks at restaurants when I was 14. Now, all of a sudden, I look younger than I am (26) to people.

Idk the reason, but it’s true. People guess I’m like 21/22

[-] ScratchinCommander 5 Points 6 months ago

Unrelated question, what was your journey to ATP? Did you go all the* way to CFI on your own and then hired on for ATP after 1,500hh?

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 7 Points 6 months ago

I went to CFI on my own and started working for my own flight school and I was also able to work as a dispatcher for my airline at the same time. I was already in the door at my regional, so they hired me pretty much straight away.

[-] ScratchinCommander 1 Point 6 months ago

Cool. Do you mind sharing how you got the dispatcher gig? Does it have to be at one of their bases?

[-] ratpoison987 191 Points 6 months ago

Lol you did it without the pill. Then discovered the pill.

You’re a champion.

[-] Auvergnat 56 Points 6 months ago

Props also to the guy who gave him red pill advice at the right moment without calling it red pill.

[-] jcm95 33 Points 6 months ago

This madman reinvented the pill. Big respect

[-] WizardSenpai 22 Points 6 months ago

so youre saying all that time invested in her is finally paying off? /s

[-] Son_of_lakes 6 Points 6 months ago

Nice work. Curious, which books were initially suggested when you started your transformation?

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 21 Points 6 months ago

How to Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie

Meditations (I know it’s a cliche book to suggest at this point, but just fucking read it and internalize the lessons. Again, it works.) -Marcus Aurelius

Make Your Bed- Admiral McRaven (this one is the shortest and easiest to read. Straight to the point and clear.)

[-] AllahHatesFags 6 Points 6 months ago

Good for you! It's awesome to realize your old oneitis ain't shit and that you can and are doing better than her.

[-] Pill-de-Blasio 40 Points 6 months ago

Fucking hell dude. This story is eerily similar to my life. Used to be a fat fuck, lived in STL for a little bit, studying to become a pilot, orbited a girl from Chicago area, used to drive up to see her and got nothing out of it, started getting into TRP, now she will lie to her new bf and drive down to see me. Now I’m moving out to California and she is already planning on visiting.

I used to make fun of TRP and shit until I actually took the time to see what it actually is and yeah... shit just fucking works.

Off topic but do you mind if I ask how long it took for you to get all your training and time building done?

I started my training a little while ago but decided to postpone it after a while due to financial reasons and getting a job offer in an unrelated field. I like the job I have now but being a pilot will forever be my dream job. I’m just worried I’m going to wait too long saving up money at this job and I’ll just never get around to it.

[-] toker420blaze 1 Point 6 months ago

Kind of similar story here guy. Currently just finished college, skinny guy, trying to become a pilot. Found the red pill and am starting to take control of my life. I approach a lot more, upgraded my wardrobe, and am putting on some decent weight, 167 to 176lbs in about 6 weeks.

Also working on becoming a pilot, have my PPL and am working on instrument. Wx hasn’t been playing ball though so stuck on the sim the last two weeks.

Live in NW suburbs of Chicago. My advice is just go full send and see if you can get a loan for an ATP part 141 school and crank everything out as quick as possible. No point in working at a job that’s whatever when you can have your dream job with just hard work and focus.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 15 Points 6 months ago

It took me about 4 years to go from never touching a control yoke to being hired by my current regional airline, but that’s only because I needed a 4-year degree to get the interview I’ve got coming up with a major. I’d say 18 months-two years is reasonable. Get studying and knock out your licenses, work as a CFI/dispatcher while you build hours. That’s what I did.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You know your situation better than me, but if you know aviation, you also know that now is the time to become a pilot if you want this career. Massive growth in the industry.

[-] ariky 20 Points 6 months ago

Good reading, I like how you skip through. So what is your “aha” moment of being an alpha?

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 48 Points 6 months ago

I guess when I was no longer pretending at not being stuck on one girl. I’m not pretending to have options anymore, I have them. Right now, I really do hold all the cards for a guy who wants to either fuck or get into a LTR. I have a great career, I have a healthy network of friends and professional contacts, I’m fit, I’m attractive physically, I dress well, I’m a good conversationalist. I could go on.

I have the things women want to fuck, and the things they want to marry. And I’m well aware of where I stand and what I have.

Compared to the majority of women, I’m the rarer commodity.

It’s like when women know they can get away with anything because they know the guy wants to fuck them. Only I know that they want to fuck me, AND that they want to be with me. And I know I have more and better options than she is, most of the time.

[-] cat1eren 5 Points 6 months ago

Hey man, what were the books you read? Im interested. Also, what would your advice to a 17 year old guy who is getting ready for collage/studying? Any advices? Im really in need of some, althought everyday life gets better with red pill.

[-] jihocech 11 Points 6 months ago

Choose the college wisely. STEM.

[-] UnqualifiedPilot 10 Points 6 months ago

I posted them in another comment in this thread but as for advice, focus on you and your own development. Obvious advice is obvious-fitness, grades, professional network, get some hobbies that make you get up and learn something (woodworking, blacksmithing, cooking, building things, working in cars or motorcycles, dancing, a martial art, whatever. Just not video games or anything passive).

Definitely read the books, though and think critically on the lessons.

[-] theredfinance 23 Points 6 months ago

That's very motivational! I am glad that you had the power to change and now you can see the results of your work.

Keep moving forward and don't get trapped into oneitis again

[-] Atheist_Utopia 215 Points 6 months ago

Wow holy shit, well done. Great success story. I'll be following suit too, soon. Congratulations on your fat loss and becoming an überchad. Hats off, massive respect.

[-] TheRedPillRipper 14 Points 6 months ago

Great job but just remember homie; wear a hat(aka dick down crazy covered)!

[-] FractalNerve 57 Points 6 months ago

Fuck. I'm going to the hotel gymn, even if it's shit. I'm so motivated now.

[-] evilassaultweapon 1 Point 6 months ago

Be sure to ask if hotels have arrangements with local gyms as well. Went to a buddy’s Wedding in PA last September; no hotel gym. Asked at the counter and got a pass to walk next door to Gold’s.

[-] Deadlybeef 3 Points 6 months ago

Motivation is good. Discipline is better. Stick to discipline, and throw that motivation bullshit away ;)

[-] BloodSurgery 16 Points 6 months ago

A shitty gym is better than no gym, that's for sure.

[-] bestsparkyalive 16 Points 6 months ago

Bro you can get shit done in those tiny hotel shacks!!!

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