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grundlecrunch 5y ago
Well they’re gonna like you at least partly for your body always. Your body represents you and your genetics and it’s based at least half on that that they’re selecting you. Lifting I think is a crucial element to the repertoire, but only insofar as it’s results. If you’re reasonably athletic and lean with decent genetics you don’t have to be huge. Comes down to how you stand based off your current routine and abilities etc. As for lifting injuries they don’t happen if you aren’t pushing beyond your limits and have good form. Same thing with those two guys having similar results. You see short term but not long term. Not to mention general quality of life. Being fit is about quality of life, not just getting pussy.
cxj 5y ago
I wrote this post years ago on PPD, it is my take on hypergamy and the 80/20 rule.
Do you think my post accurately represents TRP views? Or is it totally wrong? Do you agree with some of it and not all?
Would love to know why or why not.
Thanks!
max_peenor 5y ago
I'm not going to give it a line by line critique, but it definitely highlights a very common misunderstanding about 80/20. Bloops and confederates pretend that we are saying only 20% of men get sex. Some might realize this is idiotic and dial it back to only 20% of men get casual sex. No no no. We realize most men can get sex at some point. The question is how much and at what cost.
The 20% will get more mating access at less cost. In comparison to the 80%, their counts will be higher and sometimes much, much higher. The 80% will typically have to trade value for mating access--resources, commitment, etc. Sex with the 20% is value in itself. This is not to say a 20%er won't ever commit or give resources. It just isn't a requirement.
cxj 5y ago
Thanks!
What do you think about the top 20% of given social arenas being relevant as opposed to some 20% top overall?
Willcs 5y ago
M20 relatively good looking and lift but i have no self confidence and my social skills lack alot. Any advice?
clavabot 5y ago
One one condition will you
tryDO 100% what is recommended?[deleted] 5y ago
I'm stuck and need some serious help. Me m26 recently landed a 6 figure job. Gf 33 earns two times more than me. Been together over a year. I know I have fucked up alot by committing how do I get out. Help!! ALL we do is argue and fight we went on a holiday it was the most miserable time of my life.
grundlecrunch 5y ago
Be a man and make an objective assessment of the situation, and make a decision accordingly. You have TONS of options just given what you’ve said. Don’t waste them.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
You are 26 and making 6-figures? What in the hell are you doing dating a bitchy, post-wall career hag? Drop the bitch and go find some younger pussy!
max_peenor 5y ago
You aren't even married and this is how it is. Do her a favor and get out. She wants someone to steady her world as she confronts her looming fertility crisis.
dokoya 5y ago
Unfuck yourself and just leave. No explanations. Nothing. Just leave
EqualitysA2WayStreet 5y ago
Tell her you're done, wtf are you waiting for? The internet people to come and do it for you?
WorkWorkZubZub 5y ago
The RedPill, and this subreddit, offers a lot of wisdom, truth, and guides to becoming a better man.
But why the hell are so many posters so fucking antagonistic? Calling anyone who doesn't understand everything right away a faggot, for example. Can you imagine if other philosophies or life improvement groups did that? It's a big part of the reason some people just write you off as angry assholes - some of you seem far more interested in puffing your chests out and insulting people than you are in helping others improve.
mrmaldoror 5y ago
This is the only place I talk like this. In my head, if I'm spending my time helping other dudes just to get their dick wet, then I can say what ever the fuck I want to them.
max_peenor 5y ago
Locker room talk is by necessity rough. It is meant to filter out weakness. I'm not saying homosexuals are weak, bloops. The weakness refers to opinions, intellectual confidence and engagement. If you can't take someone calling you a faggot, then I doubt you have anything of value to offer.
That said, the mods shut down AMOGing assholes pretty quick. So yeah, don't go around calling everyone a faggot.
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FereallyRed 5y ago
I answered this deeper in the thread, but here's the pasta...
Bad words are a filtering tool. If me calling you a fag makes you lose your shit, then I know I don't need to waste any more time with you, because you're concentrating on the tone, not the content.
Bruce Lee quote....
'Its like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.'
Plus, write to your audience. There are for the most part angry young men here. They are through with simpering platitudes and bullshit advice., the so called Disney dream. That's not working for them. They want the fucking truth.
Fight club quote...
“We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.”
Last, it's a locker room. Where I can say pretty much what I want. That's an exceedingly rare space for men anymore, as most of the world has been feminized to the point that even saying a bad word is "toxic". You know, toxic may be the worst word out there. It means, I'm offended. I don't give a shit. You can be offended all you want. Your feelings are your own, I have no onus to change my behavior to supplicate to anyone.
Blue velvet quote...
"Fuck you, you fucking fuck"
WorkWorkZubZub 5y ago
Thanks for the thought out reply. Bitch.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Anytime, fag.
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krowitz 5y ago
We don't care if you don't want to lift.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
Nobody ever said it was necessary. Patrice was a pimp and he was fat as fuck. I never met Tyler or Luke or any of their girls. But I'd bet my left nut they would have more success if they lifted.
We say focus on the variables you can control to get laid. Lifting is one of the easiest, everybody can do it and improve his SMV significantly.
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ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
Not 'everyone' here says its necessary.
We only say it helps to get poon and it's an easy variable to control. Also it teaches you discipline and the hormones produced will make you feel better etc. which will make your life better in general.
I'd say that some people here exaggerate and say that it's 'necessary' because you'd basically be an idiot not to do it.
If you had 2 eyes and looked outside you would know it's not necessary but you'd also know there's without question a strong correlation between men with fit bodies and the hotties walking beside them.
grundlecrunch 5y ago
Think of it this way. Girl first sees you, she doesn’t see your sense of humor or net worth or skill set, she sees what she can glean from your sense of style, but more importantly she sees your physical body. Your body which presents itself as being fit, knowledgeable, capable, and disciplined, both in terms of diet and training. Having a fit body will convey to other all kinds of positivity, let alone the pheromones and good posture that also come as perks of the territory. Unfit people can potentially get laid, just the quality and frequency will 100% be reduced, especially if they’re fat and not just skinny.
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frameTrumpsShitTests 5y ago
Tyler invested his whole life in this. And the first 20 years were pretty miserable.
I think attraction is based on game, body, social status and resources. Of these 4 pillars the body is the easiest. If you are lacking the discipline to lift a stone up and down each second day, then all else is lost with you. Also, a fit body influences your mind and personality. Especially via testosterone. This signals your brain that everything is okay and that it can go all out personality wise. So a good body makes learning game much easier. It also gives you social status.
(blackpill advice: A good body can also give you resources)
Omnidempotent 5y ago
What do you think the age of consent should be?
max_peenor 5y ago
18
And it has nothing to do with sex. As a parent, I'm responsible for what my children do until they reach the age of majority. If you think they should be having sex at a younger age, then we need to start treating them like adults at a younger age--like we used to do. Instead, it seems we keep ramping up age limits for everything else, some of which has no lasting effects, while pushing to lower the age of consent. If we keep pushing more and more responsibility on parents for the acts of children, the children will never grow up.
I mean, just look at the fucking millenials.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
45.
I just want to see the world burn.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
15.
spooky-102 5y ago
13
stoicbotanist 5y ago
I think it should all be relative to the other person's age, as it is in many states. A 19 year old with a 17 year old shouldn't be penalized as harshly as an older man with girl.
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Omnidempotent 5y ago
That's a feminist meme used to excuse the sexual abuse of boys and young men. Older woman absolutely can take advantage of boys and do serious psychological harm.
AnAbsoluteSith 5y ago
2nd trimester
Battagliare 5y ago
My view on TRP is: I basically have a mission for myself, an ideal i want to achieve. And in order to achieve this i should instill self-discipline to myself and fulfill my sexual/relationship needs as its actually one of the very important things Men need.
And TRP shows me the right path to achieve these two aims. By reading the theory and implementing it in real life, i can work on myself and get closer to what i aim for.
Is this the correct view or is it flawed ?
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Battagliare 5y ago
I understand the resolve part, the driving force for your actions. But Dignity ? Would you elaborate ?
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Only you can determine what is correct for you.
But speaking for myself, that's how I view it.
Battagliare 5y ago
Hmm i see, thanks.
Dr-Berg 5y ago
You didn't answer my Question.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I did and you didn't like my answer.
How you describe it is how I view it.
But we're not here to give you prescriptions. We're a toolbox and source of info. You can do with it what you want.
Dr-Berg 5y ago
no, you didn't. you ignored my ques.
" To /u/redpillschool and Trp Vanguards
Have you read OSHO? if yes then What did you think about him?"
^ This was my ques if you scroll down. If you mean ignoring is the answer then okay I got it.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Sorry I thought you were OP of this thread.
Vellore992 5y ago
He's not answering any questions. Just handing out weird trp truisms. Waste of time.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I did, you just didn't understand it.
James_Rustler_ 5y ago
Mods: The quarantine is probably good for the long term benefit of the community. If this place had a big controversy Reddit wouldn't hesitate to ban the subreddit. The quarantine helps the sub stay under the radar.
max_peenor 5y ago
I understand not wanting us to show up on all. In fact, it was happening a lot shortly before the quarantine. And maybe I understand wanting to compartmentalize their own search engine, after all they do it for NSFW. However the part where they broke outside searches and mobile users is shitty. They may not think it is censorship, but it most certainly is.
And then they shit the bed with their editorial and a link to a known sexual.predator. That was pretty funny.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
"You're only making it worse on yourself!"
-Monty Python executioner to condemned prisoner
Selfishaltruist181 5y ago
Your not wrong, but its still just shows that because of the content that's discussed here we are not wanted and that even if we do follow the rules, we are still at the mercy of people who want to silence us.
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TheRedPike 5y ago
What are you testing?
axletruss 5y ago
When a red pill man's rationalization is built on logic then why do a woman's rationalization attempt is just "hamster is spinning"?
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
Man can spin too. A
betaomegazeta guy (z is the last symbol isnt it?) in my class tell me "if we lose, it is because of you" before we start.Mojiitoo 5y ago
Built on emotions? Hamster spinning is meant in a way where women do not claim their responsibility. They try to blame shift thats it not their fault or out of their control whereas ofcourse it was on them in the end.
For example they cheat, 'I was drunk and you couldnt pick me up that night and you shouldve blablabla'.
DespisedByWomen 5y ago
What's the lowest value man TRP can help? I'm pretty similar to an average beta but I'm also Indian in America so shits rough.
I'm going on a cruise in August and my main goal is to get laid while I'm on it, is this achievable? Can someone learn enough game in 6 months to do this? I have plenty of time and money, I just need direction.
Where do I start?
poohead5 5y ago
Go back to India and get an Indian chick.
RedForEducation 5y ago
The one who can shed his ego and learn.
Doll fucking incels don't want to win, they want to sulk
Mojiitoo 5y ago
Just start. Basic sidebar. You will not get laid on that cruiseship with this current mentality. Read the sidebar and top all time posts well and you'll realise that your mentality should be more like I dont care what happends on that cruise, Ima have fun. Abundance mentality. Plenty of fish in the sea (literally lol) You definitely dont need a cruise to get laid.
If youre a virgin, consider going to a prostitute? Being a virgin can be a huge blockade but after that the mental barrier is way lower to have sex. Just taking the edge off.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
Everyone can be helped, in the sense that everyone can increase their odds of success. However, nobody can ever get their odd up to 100% - not even the most top-tier alpha rock star has a 100% success rate.
A guy who starts out with a very low chance of success can be helped too. Maybe he starts out in a situation where he'd have to approach 500 women before he'd find one who liked him. Chances are, that guy is going to quit long before 500 though, because if you have no fucking clue what's going on - why you're failing, it'd be very hard to continue, right?
If that guy is really disciplined and works really hard, then maybe he gets his odds up from 1:500 to 1:400. That'd be help for that guy.
I hope you get it done. Do you have a wing man that you can work with during these six months? A lot of times, we can't see the shit we're doing wrong, but it's very clear to someone watching us.
nefariousdestiny 5y ago
You should start by realizing that just because you're Indian in America doesn't mean you're disadvantaged in any way whatsoever. If you're not doing well, it's entirely in you, not your "value."
antariusz 5y ago
Red pill advice can work for literally any man. Even if you go from sex once a year to sex once a month, that’s should still be considered an improvement.
That said, I’m at 250+ different women, and I’ve been on 6 cruises, not gotten laid once, it’s a terrible environment for pickup.
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antariusz 5y ago
Well in a way you’re right, all my lays have been in just the past decade. I never even went on a date until I was 25.
The internet really did make things a lot easier.
To be completely transparent, only on 2 of those cruises did I go solo, not that it would stop me completely being on a cruise with a GF, but obviously I was only “actively” gaming on 2 separate occasions. I do routinely get a lot more female attention when I’m with another woman though. Preselection is a real thing.
Things I learned. Play to your strengths, I’m not tall, or a good dancer, or even that athletic or good looking, clubs are not the best for me. You gotta find what works for you. For me, it’s the fact that I make 170k a year and live in Ohio. I talk to trailer park girls, waitresses, and gas station clerks that imagine themselves living a better life. I don’t put them on a pedestal because I know that they aren’t special and there are dozens of girls that I could sleep with this year alone that also want a piece of me. They all see themselves driving a Porsche to soccer practice (eventually), but none of them will ever actually see that. People on this subreddit love to shit all over letting your money work for you, but Christian Grey wasn’t a coal miner. So I fill in the role of the daddy they never had growing up.
But you gotta use what works for you.
Heinous_White_Man 5y ago
There is a lot you can do in 6 months. First, read the sidebar. Second, the best thing you can do is to get in some sort of shape. If you've never lifted before, 6 months will give you decent beginner gains if you work hard.
I will also give this advice: don't worry about trying to lay model-tier girls. Of course, you should aim high once in awhile, but there is no shame in going after a 6-7 that you find attractive rather than a 9, especially if you are new to this. If you're feeling good, go after those 9s, otherwise practice on the 7s on the cruise.
DespisedByWomen 5y ago
I've already been lifting for a few months, just gotta read the sidebar.
I dont need 9's, I just want girls that are not obese.
Heinous_White_Man 5y ago
Then keep going on the lifting, obviously. Like I said, read the sidebar, and I would also begin practicing talking to women before the cruise. Don't go in with the intention of sex, making out, or even a number. Set a simple goal and just do it; "I will keep this conversation going for five minutes" for example.
Doesn't matter how big your muscles are if you have shit game. Talk to one woman a day, doesn't matter where, simply to practice before the cruise.
PosnerRocks 5y ago
Read the sidebar. Start with the gym. Six months is plenty of time to get into shape assuming you aren't obese.
Indians in America have a reputation for being creepy, clingy, and not picking up on "back-off" signals. You're going to need to focus on making sure you cultivate a relaxed take it or leave it attitude when it comes to women. If you have an accent or poor vocab, work on it. I don't know many American women that are into it so it is an uphill battle. Probably the best start is with Indian women who will already be receptive.
Finally, in my experience, cruise ships are awful places to pick up women. If they are there, they are with someone, and, if they aren't, they are probably with their parents.
Good luck and don't get discouraged.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
No, there are singles oriented segments of the Cruise business. A regular cruise is a good way to get things like Norovirus; a deliberately promiscuous cruise ship adds STDs to that concern. Not my taste, and not a guarantee that a given guy (with no game or experience) will be able to get laid on board.
Kurush559 5y ago
Got norovirus from a girl once. Never again.
DespisedByWomen 5y ago
Yeah I've already been lifting for a while and I don't have an accent since I was born here.
PosnerRocks 5y ago
Perfect. 6 months is plenty of time to learn some game. Best start is just chatting up women without any attachment to their reaction to you and building confidence. It can be a numbers game and learning to read the signals that someone is into you before escalating. Examples: Laughing at your bad jokes or touching your arm is a good sign. When someone says something funny, if they look to see how you react first, they are into you.
Go on a couple dates, attempt to apply what you learn here, then come back and post an update. People here are usually pretty receptive to letting you know where you fucked up and how to improve.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
You start with Indian girls
DespisedByWomen 5y ago
Good luck trying to get an Indian girl in America if you're not a white guy
SimilarHamster 5y ago
Still that's where you start
NightFire45 5y ago
Be one with rejection and you'll do well.
DespisedByWomen 5y ago
Fuck outta here with this Mr. Miyagi one line bullshit
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The thing about Zen Koans is that they sound cryptic, trite, or inane, without the proper wisdom. But once you have the understanding, the encapsulating statement makes all the sense.
He's right – be one with rejection and you'll do well. It's obvious that you have an issue with rejection. Just look at your handle. If you didn't feel you were despised by women, if you didn't project that onto every woman you see as you walk down the street – what could you accomplish? How could you ever cold open if your brain presumes rejection?
If you had an eight-inch cock, you could approach every woman with the little smile of "I know something you don't know." But since you likely don't have that, how do you achieve that frame of mind?
Until then, you must be one with rejection.
DespisedByWomen 5y ago
I actually do have a big cock but big cocks dont mean shit if women dont want to see it.
meomeowmeoww 5y ago
prove it
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Then until you figure out the real problem, you must be one with rejection.
Even monks can't meditate easily for long periods without falling asleep, so a facilitator hits them with a stick when they start to drowse.
How many men drowse their whole life?
When we hit you with the stick, you should be thankful.
There are tips and tricks we can give you, and they're all in the sidebar. But your issue seems to be a mirror-issue. You can't see yourself for your benefits, and you don't know how to project them onto women. You're projecting your perceived faults, and premeditating your own rejection.
In the context of a life, waking up takes a long time.
NightFire45 5y ago
Great response. An NFL player doesn't sit in the film room all day and then try to lose on Sunday. You need to practice, practice, practice because without practice the sidebar is useless. With practice will come failure and learning and then success.
passepar2t 5y ago
How long does the average user even hang out here? Yes, you've got your Gay Lube Oils whose goal is to sell enough t-shirts to afford the rent and maybe the odd synthol injection; and the Arch Wingers, who have to have the upvotes to make up for only ever being with like 1.5 women but surely this place would be better off as a sidebar and maybe half an asktrp. I've never seen such circlejerking and I post on PPD.
321PK 5y ago
Awww Archwinger was actually good. I miss him, he was bitter but sensible. I hope he’s doing well and happy walking off into the sunset somewhere.
Crimson_Medicinal 5y ago
I stick around because there's nowhere else near as active that I can consistently hear positive male advice and experience. Any other places that offer advice to men is watered-down propaganda at best, feminist at worst. TRP even rarely bans anyone. It's good to come back and refresh material as well - swords require sharpening daily.
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nodepostgres 5y ago
You don't get around on reddit much, do you?
krowitz 5y ago
As long as he needs to.
RedForEducation 5y ago
The difference is the constant churn of new people. PPD is the same faces... Always
-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
Jesus, is he STILL trying to sell those shirts ?
He started that 4 years ago. Don't tell me he's still trying to monetise his contribution to RP that way.
GLO, move on. There must be a better way than this.
buartha 5y ago
Have you seen what BPP is charging for his life coaching sessions?
Guys, paypal me a fiver and I'll happily tell you that your wife doesn't like fat guys and that not being a useless lump around the house makes you more attractive.
RedForEducation 5y ago
And you can paint a nicer painting than Jackson pollack...
yet, still no exhibit in the moma... why?
321PK 5y ago
I know right!! Amazes me. If you’re going to get a life coach then get a hot one at least.
max_peenor 5y ago
What are you talking about? PPD gets far more posts and comments in a day than TRP. Topics are strictly controlled by the mods to keep it from drifting. This is far less an image-board (think the chans or SA) and far more an orderly forum (like the Roman one).
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max_peenor 5y ago
pttptppt You take us so seriously.
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max_peenor 5y ago
Missed opportunity for a "you are what you eat" joke.
Omnidempotent 5y ago
I know the answer to this is "no", but I am curious to see your reasoning: is it alpha to rape a woman?
SavingMasculinity 5y ago
it's beta. it means you are't alpha enough for her to consent to sex with you by her choice.
only betas rape women. truly red pilled men don't do that shit, regardless of what our detractors would have you believe.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Walk me though how desire aka alpha behaviours require force?
You've listened to the sewing circle too much.
ProFriendZoner 5y ago
If you're alpha you don't need or have to rape a woman. They will throw themselves at you. You don't even have to try.
CainPrice 5y ago
Raping a woman is something mentally ill loser men who can't get consensual sex do.
The kinds of guys who snap and commit crimes tend to be non-masculine men who have trouble with women.
That really hot, buff guy with well-developed social skills that everyone in the bar seems to like? He's not a rapist. Two or three of those women he's talking to right now would go home if he asked them to get out of here with him. And if not, he has half a dozen girls in his phone he can text to come over.
Those big, strong, confident, cocky, manly, aggressive guys aren't rapists. They have consensual sex partners. It's the timid losers who can't get laid that rape.
If you get caught alone in the parking garage at night after work, it's usually the quiet skinny guy who's been staring at you from two cubicles over and stammering out a hello every couple of days that you talked to that one time at the company party, which he built up in his head as some kind of connection. Then, when he approaches you in that parking garage and stutters and sweats while trying to ask you out on a date, and you gently shoot him down, his world is crushed. You're the closest thing he's had to a female connection in the past 12 months. He gets angry. How can you not feel the way he feels. He snaps. And now you're a rape victim.
If I'm looking out for a creepy rapist, it's never the hot, buff masculine guy. I'm keeping my eye on the scrawny guy with bad social skills.
Onein1024th 5y ago
it's alpha to push/pull, build tension, and escalate kino and make her want you. It's alpha to be an attractive man of value.
Rape comes from a SpergLord level of frustration with one's own inability to communicate or build attraction; and a misplacement of that frustration on a girl. It's "niceguy syndrome" cranked up to level 11 in the creepiest neediest way possible. (see the niceguy subreddit for examples)
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source: I have several Ex-friends on the sex-offender registry
Mr_Teutates 5y ago
Not only is it not alpha, I would argue that it is completely the opposite. It shows a lack of abundance and a needy desperation.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
TRP is about sexual strategy. Rape is generally considered to be more about power than sex. Therefore, rape is not even on topic here.
diffdedbed 5y ago
By feminists. I personally think most rape is about sex. A guys not drugging a woman for power.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Completely removing her agency is not about power? Think again.
Personally, I can't relate to topics like rape, sexbots etc. There has to be a personal connection to feel sexual attraction. Hell when I was a teen I couldn't even continue masturbating if my hand fell asleep; I'd have to fix it before continuing.
diffdedbed 5y ago
No I think its about wanting sex and using drugs/alcohol as a way to lower inhibitions or reaction. If rape was just power, I'd expect a lot more straight male rape eh?
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
First of all, it's a dumb question because why would an alpha need to rape a woman? If he's an alpha, women want to have sex with him.
But to address your question, no, rape isn't a behavior of somebody with abundance mentality.
Rape is an antisocial behavior that I don't think we really have a classification for with all our alpha, beta, gamma, etc terms.
Maybe Psychopathy?
SavingMasculinity 5y ago
The only weird case I can think of is Ted Bundy. Guy seemed like he was attractive enough to do just fine, but he went another way.
Maybe it's because he was 5'10 and not very buff. Had a handsome face though.
hammerhaunts 5y ago
Antisocial is dark triad, which is 'alpha', so...
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hammerhaunts 5y ago
Those are all antisocial qualities.
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hammerhaunts 5y ago
So is Cyanide
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
"Sexual strategy is amoral."
I agree it is amoral when everyone fucks each other like no tomorrow in a society. If you fuck a CC rider, this is her desicion too.
But why this motto includes fucking wifes but not rape? Or weird fetishes including pedo-necro-zoo philia?
If you wont explain it well, I will call it hamstering: "I want to do it so it should be amoral"
max_peenor 5y ago
Aside from the legal questions, some things are just repulsive. Rape is one of them. Look at ducks. They are very rapey. It's just how their species works. On the other hand, humans are usually repulsed by it. There is no moral position here.
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Never mind ducks....look at giraffes. When a bull elk kicks another bull elks ass, that's that. IIRC, often after a giraffe has dominated a weaker giraffe, it's rape time.
max_peenor 5y ago
Damn, don't go to the giraffe gym.
DrMrJrSr 5y ago
Don't go to G-Block either..
CosmicSpiral 5y ago
The point of the epitaph has gone over your head.
"Sexual strategy is amoral" = sexual strategy is dictated by what strategy is successful across a general population over a stretch of time. It may or may be optimal - I'm sure green sea turtles would prefer not to waste 85-90% of their offspring to the whims of the ocean - and it may or may not align with the beliefs of a particular society. If anything, it is antithetical to most of the productive institutions of modern-day life. But it doesn't mold itself to fit those institutions' shibboleths or any individual's prejudices on the topic.
Also TRP doesn't advocate fucking other people's wives.
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
I did not said anything about if polygyny is bad or not. But fucking a woman in commited relationship and cucking thr husband cant be moral nor amoral.
Fucking a sleeping women is rape, she will hurt when she wake up. Killing is bad too because it is destructive. But why fucking a man's wife is ok. Personaly, I would rather get my ass raped than get cucked by woman I love.
But if anyone shames fucking others wifes, he gets instantly banned. And people say it is amoral. It feels like advocating.
CosmicSpiral 5y ago
Rape and murder are nonconsensual acts. When a wife cheats on her husband, it is a consensual act with the third party. It is done without the approval of the husband. TRP concerns itself with why the wife willingly, clandestinely breaks her vows. Adultery isn't illegal so mods have little stake in supervising how other members spend their free time using the forum's principles. A lot of posters are quite homely and proselytize on the joys of the nuclear family.
You seem to have this bizarre presumption that the wife has no autonomy in the matter and TRP teaches men how to bamboozle helpless, ignorant brides into a life of sin. These women choose to betray their husbands' trust and fidelity, consequences be damned.
For good reason. People who can't read the sidebar, hence failing to respect Rule One, don't get shown mercy.
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
I bet some people here would use every pua manupulation tactic he knows to fuck a woman even if she is married. Shaming that would get a ban.
"Why you do this?"
"First rule say to do it"
"Why you have sjch a rule?"
Why Rule One is the reason to ban it? "Look at rules" is not an answer.
KeffirLime 5y ago
It falls outside of the law and consent(I don't mean in the cringes feminist way). If you're failing to obtain consent, and by association desirability, then it's not congruent with the red pill.
blr1998 5y ago
I'm only here to point out that the law is supposed to prevent you from acting amoral. If there is no right or wrong, good or evil, there is no purpose to laws. So chose to be moral or chose to be amoral. Either stay plugged in or unplug.
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cdogg75 5y ago
What is this "alt" and "Jw" you keep mentioning in this thread?
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cdogg75 5y ago
obviously not using as many shortforms as you. I don't really understand the need to short form characters to be honest, so I don't do it. The days of the t-9 phone texting are long behind us.
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cdogg75 5y ago
LOL...of course
mortsdans 5y ago
My only issue with TRP is placing sexual strategy above overall life strategy. I've come to believe that a mans achievements aren't only measured by where he sticks his wiener. If you're tryin to get laid though TRP is spot on.
Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 5y ago
Let's say you want to be an astronaut. So you get good grades, learn to code, stay in shape, get your PhD in astrophysics and also, you didnt get accepted into NASA. You still have a marketable degree, math and computer skills, and you're in shape.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
That's a misunderstanding or straw argument. We have a very strong position on this.
Pussy is a lagging indicator of success.
CainPrice 5y ago
TRP started out as a place where average, frustrated guys who were unsuccessful with sex, relationships, and women ended up.
These were typically guys who followed the normal, accepted, "successful life" path. Be nice and respectful to women, go to college, get a degree in a field where there's opportunity, get a job, a house, save money, keep being nice and respectful to women, and if you follow that path, eventually you'll meet the woman for you and get married and have kids and have a happy wife and family.
TRP started out with guys who were already "successful" at life, but couldn't get women because they were doing the relationship, sex, dating game all wrong.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Rule Zero: Stay On Topic
TRP's mission is to discuss men's identity, sexual strategy, and options in the context of our current global culture for the benefit of men. Anyone who does not share that goal will be banned the instant we detect them. We are not interested in debating or defending our experiences to those who disagree with the red pill, nor do we want to clog up our threads defending the morality of our choices.
It's not only about sexual strategy. But to most here a huge life strategy/goal at this point in their life is to obtain vaginas. So that's what most of the posts are.
Strangely enough, the tools that attract women also make you more attractive at life.
whatsthisgarg 5y ago
Where does it say that? Where THE FUCK does it say that?
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This ideology is for the losers, technically. Self-improvement became the MO on TRO once it became evident that 95% of treaders were too self-loathing and hamstrung to have their basic life foundations as bedrock.
Hard to get laid if you’re a trainwreck, unless you’re a sexy trainwreck, but that’s a long post about BPD that I’ll save for later.
MisplacedSanityP 5y ago
You know maslow's hierarchy of needs? It's a well accepted theory in psychology that I whole-heartedly believe in. At the bottom of the pyramid is physiological needs. The obvious ones are food, water, sleep, and breathing. A less obvious one is sex. Sex is a basic requirement to have any sort of fulfillment or happiness(for most people). So what do you do when you're at 0? When you can't even fuck a fat chick? Should that guy focus on overall life strategy when he can't even fill a basic physiological need? Now will you die without sex? No. Will you be miserable? Yes. Every man should be aiming for minimum the ability to get laid. The funny thing is, everything that makes you high value in the sexual marketplace(and therefore making you more likely to get laid) also leads to overall improvement in life. Is TRP overly focus on getting laid? Yes. Is that a bad thing? Not at all.
mortsdans 5y ago
I pretty much agree with 99 percent of that. Almost everything you do to get laid is gonna help you in other aspects of life. But if you're making 60k a year you might not want to buy a brand new corvette, even if it does help you get laid.
MisplacedSanityP 5y ago
No one is claiming you should do something like that though. Everyone is claiming you should work hard to actually be a high value man, not try to fake it(unless you're just starting off then fake it till you make it). That's what PUA teaches you, now how to be high value but how to come across as high value.
mortsdans 5y ago
Maybe I misunderstood then
ruda_3 5y ago
I'm a girl and I've been reading TRP for a long time. So, I have a two questions TRP: how can I, as a girl who is aware of TRP and just wants to enjoy and fuck without drama, make it easier for ya'll?
Two: how do you feel about girls knowing/learning/reading TRP?
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Proto_Sigma 5y ago
Well, your hypergamous instincts help propagate and strengthen the species, so feel free to keep up with them. /r/RedPillWomen as mentioned by others is probably good for maximizing your long term sexual strategy.
If you want to make fucking better just keep yourself as attractive as possible and as long possible. Avoid scenarios that would damage your mental health or sexual desirability. Keep your shit together and expect men to keep their shit together.
If your partner is red pill aware and is starting to act beta, and if you're feeling nice, just call him out on it and nip that in the bud before it starts causing problems.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I'm assuming what you want to be is a "plate", i.e. have sex with different guys on a "no commitment" basis. If that's the case you need to find a RP or RP type guy and explain it to him that you're self aware, and you just want to bang and that's it. So either a guy who gets laid a lot already or a "low-drama" guy (older might be one way; one reason my OLTR sticks around is that I am no-drama, never get jealous or angry, etc.)
If you want an exclusive LTR without drama then don't nag, and basically agree to fuck the guy until his dick is black and blue. I'd also say "learn to express what you want or mean" instead of that thing that girls do where they say one thing but mean another. Women don't often understand that they are the "emotional fireplace" in the home and that they set the mood. If a man does well at home, he will do better for his family out in the world, so send him off to work with a full belly and empty balls and he will be a champion.
It's both good and bad. To the extent that it makes them more self-aware, it's good, to the extent that it makes their hamsters spin out, it's bad.
donkey_democrat 5y ago
/r/redpillwomen
Whisper 5y ago
If you're looking for how to build a good LTR, RedPillWomen is probably your best resource, although the percentage of users who are actually qualified to give advice is much smaller than here.
If you're just looking for good, trouble-free hookups, it's not really that hard. Just avoid thirsty guys who will cling.
Several of my girls read everything I write on this account. S'no problem. TRP is like makeup... it works even when people know you're wearing it.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Jesus fucking Christ.
_anothergumnut_ 5y ago
lol
FieldLine 5y ago
We made an entire subreddit for women on the internet (/r/RedPillWomen). The women in my life learn to understand TRP, even if not by name.
This tells me that while you may be aware of TRP, you don't actually get it, because just going out and fucking and having a good time is contrary to your long-term happiness. It is literally the worst thing you can do, you'd be better off sitting at home getting fat and doing nothing.
But if you're going to insist on doing it anyway, see me at a bar, and want to have sex with me, just walk over and buy me a drink. I'll take it from there if I'm interested.
ruda_3 5y ago
I don't claim total understanding, nah. That's what I'm reading here for. I've just stepped off the mental circus that is feminism, shaking off all the old kneejerks. Any advice/articles to point me?
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
Most advice here is directed at men trying to get into the panties of you and other women, so perhaps not the most practically useful advice for someone in your position. That said, much of the sidebar is useful- I'd recommend it to anyone and everyone. The 'Hjernevask' documentary series linked on the sidebar is especially good.
Omnidempotent 5y ago
Fucking married women: would you do it?
majorketone 5y ago
Feel like that could end up with you getting murdered tbh. men's entire lives can be ruined by their wives cheating on them and men with ruined lives can be psychos sometimes
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
It's easier for one night stands and to have as a plate. She has a lot more to lose then you, so it's less drama. If she seems crazy, don't.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Would?
Have.
max_peenor 5y ago
I avoid intentionally doing it, because there are plenty of fish with less drama hanging around their necks, but I don't ask a lot of questions. I have indeed fucked plenty of married/engaged/attached women. They will go to great lengths of avoiding the topic unless it's obvious you already know or you force it. Women are masters of compartmentalizing their lives. I've learned a lot on how to do it by watching them.
Oh, and I have bulled by invitation too.
WarViper1337 5y ago
Yes.
I say this because if she doesn't fuck me then she will just go fuck the next available guy. I don't make it a habit to be a home wrecker though and I conduct such encounters so that there is little if any chance her partner would ever find out. If it turns into more regular encounters then I make sure she understands that it is for the physical benefits and I will not be emotionally invested in her. Most married women are perfectly fine with that it seems.
redpillcad 5y ago
Am I a party to her vows?
FereallyRed 5y ago
Often and regularly.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
I have accidentally. They didn't tell me. Still feel shitty.
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CainPrice 5y ago
Women keeping their promises to their husbands is their business. It's not your job to enforce their promises for them. You didn't promise her or her husband anything.
There's this kind of funny old-school TradCon mentality running around about how it's somehow society's job to stop people from straying and if you're the one she cheats with, you failed your duty to society. That's silly. If she's a shit person, why should we as a society act to cover and prevent her from having opportunities to be shitty? That's like me doing your homework for you so nobody knows you suck at math.
SeasonedRP 5y ago
The way to understand tradcons is to know that their premise is women are never responsible for their actions, ever. Whatever happens is the man's fault. E.g., if a woman gets an abortion, it is the father's and abortion doctor's fault, not hers. As applied to cheating, if a married woman strays from her husband, it is the husband's fault and the fault of the guy she strayed with. But if a man strays on his wife, tradcons do a 180 and place blame squarely on the man who strayed. The wife and the lover are both considered victims.
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PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
This. After all she is approaching me. I won't exactly turn it down lol. But I don't go looking for married either.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
Thing is it's easy to say I wouldn't. But I'm like an average dude if there is a naked girl that is significantly out of my league begging to have sex in front of me. Id do it in that circumstance if I didn't know her hubby. But trying to seduce an average looking married women naaaaaaaah
redpect 5y ago
Quit the "out of my league thinking"
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You know your league, women surely not. If that werent true, PUA wouldnt work.
Self-honest 5y ago
My main issue with most (probably all) feminist discourse I see is that it only takes aim at men, what men do that is bad, what men need to do to change, how men can make women's oppressed lives better, what is toxic about men, who is the latest target of outrage etc.
If anyone wants to be taken seriously, I need to see them talking about what THEY can do, what's wrong with THEM, what toxic behavior do THEY need to cut out, what horrors they impose on others, how they are contributing to the problem etc. in conjunction with external problems.
Outsiders probably think TRP only bashes women, and complains about their behavior and things we would, in our misogynistic minds, change about women.
I believe TRPs inclination to inspect and change the behavior of men to better the situation for men, as opposed to the feminist concept of inspecting and attempting to change the behavior of men to better the situation for women, is what validates it.
My question is this: what are the behaviors you recognize in men that you think ARE actually detrimental to women and men (if any exist)? Why they exist? And what should be done (if anything) to resolve any issues?
sadomasochrist 5y ago
"Have you thought about fishing's impact on the environment?"
No. We want lots of good fish, tree hugger.
CainPrice 5y ago
Mentally ill men who don't get help and end up snapping then murdering and raping people are detrimental to women.
Fathers who don't teach their sons conventional masculinity end up with angry sons who can't get laid and have a harder time succeeding professionally. Indirectly, this harms women because they have fewer good men to date and non-masculine loser men are more likely to shoot up schools and other public places and rape people.
Whisper 5y ago
You're trying to fit TRP into the same sort of mental space that feminism occupies.
TRP isn't a movement for social change. We do not judge "society" as bad or good, or have a plan for what we want to transform it into. Instead, we choose to regard it as the terrain... it's there, it is what it is, and we plan accordingly.
What we do here is teach men to navigate that terrain, for their own purposes.
Self-honest 5y ago
That's why I included "(if anything)".
This was just an attempt to spark dialogue that might smash our visitors misconceptions about TRP.
I probably should have left that last question out (it was just an add on, bonus question), but if I did I wouldn't have gotten your excellent response and example of what TRP is all about.
Thanks.
FleetingWish 5y ago
Why should TRP care whether you take it seriously or not?
Self-honest 5y ago
Who is TRP? I never suggested anyone should care what I think.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
Great post. Well said. I've often made the same point right here in TRP. We talk about women because we're interested in them. If you try to imagine a group of women talking about their frustrations with dating, you will likely hear them complaining about men ghosting them and men not chewing with their mouth closed. That isn't meant to imply that women don't also do those things.
A great example is what we call "the hamster." What we mean by this is "post-hoc rationalization" or, making up an explanation for your behavior after the fact - an explanation that doesn't comport with the truth.
Picture some guy who thinks he's tough, brags that he would never back down from a fight. He gets confronted, and runs. Afterward, he makes up some excuse - "I would have fought him one-on-one but his buddies were there." That's just his hamster talking.
Self-honest 5y ago
It can cause an unlimited amount of problems for everyone.
Recognizing this process in myself and shutting it down was one of the biggest steps forward for me.
Great answer.
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Self-honest 5y ago
It's such a weak way to be.
It is. The only things I care to own are my own actions and behaviors. Everything else can come and go as it pleases. I'm not against having nice things, but the lessons taught around here on non-permanence have increased my quality of life and happiness tenfold and reduced my anxiety almost entirely.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
Yep, I'm an intermediate red that has moved out of the anger phase and into the revenge phase. And I don't give a shuck.
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redpill77 5y ago
When you realize that even though feminism is morally wrong that the most effective way to getting what you want in this world is through taking responsibility for the happiness and ethics of those around you, you will let things go so that you can make things better. Don't let things go in terms of accountability, but let them go emotionally.
If you're unable to avoid hating someone/something, that means you are under its power. Fix that.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
blah blah blah in a year when I'm done with my revenge ill move on
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I think is rare because anybody who suddenly became successful probably really liked the attention and got over it!
The real problem is the Eliot Rogers out there who never become successful. They are dangerous. (He was staunchly anti-pickup).
So in a way, TRP saves female lives too!
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Self-honest 5y ago
Absolutely does. In more ways than one.
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You’re spot on. There was an anger/depression phase in there where I hurt some gals just cuz. Without totally unpacking all of the motivations, it was revenge against the world for “fucking me over” now that I had the smv power to push back at the smp. Screaming at the sky really.
I mean it felt a little good for a bit till I realized I didn’t want to be that person.
Persaeus 5y ago
first, are you saying having no god or religion is problematic?
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Persaeus 5y ago
didn't figure. i've read a lot of GLO recent post railing on commodity fetishists. i'd say it get it and am guilty of it. what can i say, i like my toys.
"existential" is one of the $10 words that have different meanings to different people - so i looked it up. from Wiki - "An existential crisis is a moment at which an individual questions if their life has meaning, purpose, or value. ... This issue of the meaning and purpose of human existence is a major focus of the philosophical tradition of existentialism."
have never believed in god (even as an altar boy . . . lol). relative to purpose i would consider myself to primarily be a hedonist. my purpose is pursuit of pleasure and experience. said pleasure can take many forms - physical, intellectual, and ethereal (what i think most people ascribe to spiritual). i've never felt the need for a "higher purpose".
all that being said - i wouldn't consider myself a tranquil person - more driven.
btw - nice flair on MRP. maybe i'm getting you confused with someone else, but thought you had been previously/incorrectly banned.
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Whisper 5y ago
You need to stick your head in this bucket.
max_peenor 5y ago
Like as in what was western canon for 1500 years being the Catholic Church? Or the other 500 years since the reformation? What is the standard here?
mrmaldoror 5y ago
Barely anyone reads, get use to it.
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I love the Western Canon, shoutout to Mr Bloom.
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I'd say most smart modern men know that the university's have completely fucked the arts and shit.
It is nicer to teach a man a productive skill set then telling him to write poems for the rest of life in poverty. Sure, people can choose "artsy" lives, but for 99.999% of men, they just want to provide for their family. Who the fuck are you to say they are wasting their lives.
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DrMrJrSr 5y ago
No, come back..
We were having soo much fun...
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nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
This:
is no longer a component of this:
And because the great works of our ancestors are no longer respected, let alone taught, in liberal arts programs, people frequently ridicule those programs.
Here's a video making an argument that you should read the classics. I doubt many here would disagree with anything this man says. Take that as evidence that our problem is not with the books or their ideas, but with the new ideas that leftists have replaced them with.
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hyperrreal 5y ago
lol the Western Canon is absolutely still a component of a liberal arts education. Even people in gender studies programs read Hegel, Nietzsche, etc.
What is your degree in?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You are a moron.
hyperrreal 5y ago
rude tbh
RedForEducation 5y ago
Ssh, he wants to believe.
Then she may touch his dick
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
We should have clarified that any questions asked need to be phrased in English.
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FereallyRed 5y ago
"It should be possible to explain the laws of physics to a barmaid."
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FereallyRed 5y ago
Rompers. Do barmaids wear depends?
max_peenor 5y ago
Only after I'm done with them.
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concacanca 5y ago
What are your thoughts on Incels diluting your message? I'd say that at this point the average redditor assumes that the two groups are the same.
RedForEducation 5y ago
They need our help the most. They are least likely to accept it.
What others think of us is not my concern
max_peenor 5y ago
It's easy to dismiss uncomfortable things as being an undesirable other. It's a pretty normal behavior, which is expected from the normiesexual. It's equally easy for me not to give a shit what they think.
As for the actual incels, some are just lot and are looking for help. They are welcome. Some are just men looking to burn down the world because the world doesn't want them. Well, those guys are right; we don't want them either.
KeffirLime 5y ago
The way society is set up, it was always likely that this would be the case.
The most depraved, lost individuals are always in need of the most help and hence the most likely to discover Ther Red Pill.
For some men we're the last stop before ending it all and I think we've certainly brightened the path for a lot of those men.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
Who cares, just filter the noise.
FereallyRed 5y ago
I don't care if you listen or not.
I RP for me, and for the few who might lightbulb from something I wrote.
krowitz 5y ago
I could care less. People believe what they want to believe anyway, and the message is not for everyone.
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clavabot 5y ago
I am stealing that Line
CainPrice 5y ago
Most men suck and are stupid. Incels included. I type stuff so that just one guy will start lifting weights and talking to women. If that one guy improves his life, just a little bit, I did good in the world.
If I wanted to wage war against stupid, I'd have to quit my day job and dump my girlfriend and never sleep again. And I'd still never make a dent.
party_dragon 5y ago
Why aren't you endorsed? /u/redpillschool
concacanca 5y ago
You are one of the more reasonable reds and you make a fair point about waging an unending war against stupid.
I guess the point is that by losing control of the narrative and your own message, I see the odds of you reaching that one guy to be diminished. I find it strange that early TRP advice is 'lift, STFU, sidebar' but no one seems to have told the blackpillers to stfu.
CainPrice 5y ago
It's unreasonably optimistic to imagine that nobody is beyond hope or that everybody is receptive to improvement. But I can't individually judge every man and decide who's worth keeping around and who can't be reached.
So I just type stuff let them do what they want with it. That's how the internet works in most areas, so why not in the area of men learning about sex, relationships, and how shit works with women?
Along those lines, I try to be a good example to others. I try to carry myself, both on and off of the internet, with a certain positive-but-realistic attitude about masculinity, women, sex, and relationships.
There is plenty of Red Pill stuff that is true, unpleasant to hear, not accepted by the general public, impolite to say, and gets you branded as an evil woman hater. But just because that stuff is true doesn't mean women suck, life sucks, society sucks, relationships suck, or whatever. It's just something you have to work with and work around, like anything else in life. Your boss might suck, but you still go to work every day and find a way to make things work so you get your paycheck. Your house might have a lightswitch in a funny place, but you get used to it. Your dishwasher breaks, so you hand-wash dishes until you have it fixed. And the sex and relationships game might not work the way you'd always thought, but you learn to deal with it.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
They're annoying. But then again, we're conflated with bunches of groups.
We've been called MRAs, ALT-Right, Incels, Misogynists, Racists, you name it!
But I don't think they've had much effect on the content itself here. NPCs just don't have enough memory slots to keep all the different groups their supposed to hate separated.
-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
There is also the fact that they have copied and used all of the RP terminology and concepts.
They use that to support their, wrong, view that it's hopeless for them.... but it's our concepts/terms they use to say that even if the conclusion they reach from them are diametrically opposed to RPs.
This poses a new challenge to RP than those other groups. It's literally becoming impossible to tell the two groups apart except by content of message.
Even very active long term users on PPD who know the two groups core beliefs very well, and are acutely aware of the distinction, blur the groups together in long term memory. As in, "Why are all the twerps so whiny, passive and depressed these days ?".
It's going to be a real problem for RP and TRP in the future if they keep growing, because most people are going to come across the terms via incels first.... and when they hear an RP person using them to describe OP, immediately discount listening to that line of thought because "Ah, it's just another incel whining".
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-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
No, it's bad for the world and it's bad for RP.
When they take words and concepts that RP use to goad men into action and they turn those very same words and concepts into things to convince men to give up, turn off, lay down and die ... then it can no longer be used for it's original purpose.
Things we developed to be descriptive of reality, and the terms we gave those things.... are no longer descriptive of reality in the minds of people hearing them. They're now descriptive of a warped, nihlistic, and inaccurate reality.
To use a silly example... if "Gay" as a word was useful to the world in describing happy people. That usefulness was lost when it became repurposed to use to mean "Homosexual". It no longer created the concept in peoples minds it did before. If it was repurposed again to mean "Pillow" then homosexuals would lose the use of it to create a concept in peoples minds too.
Words like "Alpha" and "Beta" and "AF/BB" and "Hypergamy" were useful because the concepts they were associated with reflected reality.
Incels are changing those concepts and by doing so.... RP is losing the ability to describe reality using the terms it created to do so.
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-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
But they really are growing in volume and number.
And because people "don't listen to them"... when they see "alpha" now, or any TRP term... they don't listen to the RP guy either.
In their mind, he's just another incel. No need to read more. Why go to that TRP place ? Is that what they're calling their new refuge now r incels is shutdown ?
RedForEducation 5y ago
Brass tacks. The only time people listen to incels is when they rent a van, and even then they don't really.
You be the example for others to follow, and if doll fuckers can usurp you, then maybe you weren't that good to begin with. Your little sub spends an inordinate amount of time around incels, is it any wonder you over blow their influence?
As for eyeballs, Reddit is a dead end. The quarantine, VC funding round and lack of monetization made that clear. It will be another plume or digg soon enough.
Besides, the femenists hate would make crap up if they didn't have people to misinterpret it for them, they already have.
Whisper 5y ago
So, has PPD. So has TBP. The fact that our terminology is dominant is simply a reflection of the fact that we are dominant... we own the majority of the mindshare, and all these other groups are just a response to us, using our terms, thinking our thoughts, and spreading our ideas.
And?
They used to call us "misogynists" until it because clear that we gave zero fucks and that would stop us not at all.
Now it's "incel". We don't give a fuck about that, either.
Frankly, I'm glad the incels are hosting our memetic vectors. We might cure some of them. That's what we are for. If 100% of TRP is pussy slayers, then we would be a failure. Because we're not supposed to be a social group for dudes who are already pussy slayers. We're supposed to turn losers into pussy slayers. That means if there are no total losers here, right now, then we are failing our mission.
-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
OK, no.
A lot of the ECs are making this mistake. PPD is NOT “TRP for being purple”. We are not using your language to promote a purple pill.
We are a place where RP can cone and debate other people who are not RP. We have no position of our own. We either present RP... OR... argue against it.
This does cause some of our member to say “Well some of RP is right, and some wrong, so I’ll take a purple flair to denote this position”.... but each of them doing so is “rolling their own” mix.
There is no purple stance common to our purple flairs. PPD does not present one. We present RP concepts using RP terms an argue about RP.
To a certain extent that’s true if PPD, see above.
What I’m saying here is that’s not true of incels.
They’re taking our terms... scooping out the original content... placing their own fucked up idiocy in there... and using our”term” to refer to “their” concept.
That’s what is uniquely dangerous about incels to RP.
People no longer understand our concepts when we communicate them. Because we say the “term” (say “alpha”) thinking this creates our concept in their mind. It increasingly doesn’t. It increasingly creates the incel concept in their mind.
We’re saying the equivalent of “I’m Gay” thinking they understand that we’re happy people.... and they’re coming away with the impression that we’re homosexuals (to use a non RP example).
The incels by so doing are stealing your mindshare.
You think you’re spreading our mindshare... and increasingly we are unwittingly spreading their bollocks about the place.
Like lots of people talking about “how happy they are” using the term gay aren’t spreading mindshare concerning happiness, but convincing everyone that there are a lot more homosexuals than they thought there were.
Dude, they still say that. They didn’t stop. They didn’t give up.
You didn’t “win” by not caring. You just gave up the fight and let’s them convince everyone we were, which they did.
That’s not what they’re doing. No more than anyone describing themselves as “Gay” is unwittingly hosting the “happiness” vector.
That’s leffectly fair enough. But the incels aren’t dojng why you think they are.
As they’re growing in “mindshare” what they are doing is getting us to spread their “vectors” for them.
Like gay people getting everyone to say how happy they are... laughing up their sleeve at what useful idiots we are for their vector.
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-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
No.
When TRP and TBP collaborated to create PPD, you put it there.
As I said, were a place TRP and TBP members created, a long time ago, to debate RP. They needed to do so to have a place that wasn’t their subs to do so. (As on their subs such debate is banned).
The current mod team are about the 3rd-4th generation on from this creation. We continue to exist solely to debate RP, not in any sense to create a “purple pill” alternative to TRP.
We aren’t “taking your lingo” the people who use RP terms there are RP. It’s no more “taking the lingo from RP” than askTRP is doing so. Or that TRP is doing so.
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rus9384 5y ago
What original is there in TRP?
Maybe that's simpy local beliefs, but in my area around half of guys have similar views on how to deal with women, evem though they never heard about TRP. Damn, that attitude is even older than TRP itself, it comes at least as early as from the last decade.
Most advices, theory and so on is familiar to me. I heard it back from late 00's/early 10's. This also puts in doubt my view on TRP as something unpopular in society. But maybe things are different in the US or some other countries?
max_peenor 5y ago
Answered this elsewhere, so you get the abbreviated version. Everyone knows that eating to excess will make you unhealthy and unattractive fat, yet tons of people still do it.
EkMard 5y ago
The place you come from is an outlier. I see people in the Americas, much of Europe, South Asia and elsewhere, and the majority of males do not understand it. The vast majority are blue-pilled. Red Pill truth and advice is considered misogynistic in most of the aforementioned places.
EqualitysA2WayStreet 5y ago
If it is not unpopular and th ewidely accepted stance, why is a community of 300,000 on a site with 100s of millions of user attracting enough attention to be quanrantined? Food for thought
rus9384 5y ago
Ahem, I thought reddit has only slightly more than 20m of people. Actually I saw this sub only accidentally around a half year ago, and it's not easy to find it, if you don't look for it specifically. When you google "how to deal with women" and similar stuff, TRP is not going to be shown there. But google returns a bunch of other stuff, that on many points is similar to TRP guides.
Why quarantined? I don't know. I'm not sure it is due to a theory. I'm guessing someone had a hard time reading stories with guys being assholes to girls. Most of stories are not bad, sure. But if there was a popular (I think at least 100k subscribers) sub where girls posted something like "Look how I cuckolded this LOSER!" it could also be quarantined. Maybe.
EqualitysA2WayStreet 5y ago
Was drawing on this for the numbers. And there is r/adultery or r/cheating (can't be bothered to visit them at work) that allows for that kinda stuff. It's only recently that we've come to share notes on an open, popular forum like this. And it irks them. And we aren't being assholes any more than a girl allows us to be. Having sex and not wanting a relationship is perfectly ethical. Just like being in a relationship and not wanting to have sex is.
EqualitysA2WayStreet 5y ago
Was drawing on this for the numbers. And there are adultery or cheating subreddits (can't be bothered to visit them at work) that allows for that kinda stuff. It's only recently that we've come to share notes on an open, popular forum like this. And it irks them. And we aren't being assholes any more than a girl allows us to be. Having sex and not wanting a relationship is perfectly ethical. Just like being in a relationship and not wanting to have sex is.
rus9384 5y ago
Just like there are 15 times more readers of reddit than actually registered users, I expect TRP having more than 300k unique visitors.
Not arguing with your last point. I myself like sex with no relationships. Yet, that's not the whole point of TRP community.
The thing is that some people are more predisposed to like sex with random/more people and some are less. You can google 'sociosexual orientation' for that. And many members of TRP community treat women like they all are on the extreme point of the scale. The community got overwhelmed by ignorant people taking anything for granted and that's the case.
krowitz 5y ago
You are right. If there's anything, TRP is an attempt to explain the attitudes and views you describe. Some people do not default to your local beliefs and they can benefit from this.
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If most advices and theory and so on is familiar to you, this place is where you can have a deeper understanding than that familiarity.
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hottrash96 5y ago
I'm an art student making a fiber arts project responding to trp as a movement of men's rights activism. What imagery (red pills, phallices, etc) would you all like included?
Shady-mofo 5y ago
The first rule of fight club...
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
You're going to need some heavy gauge fibers to represent our phalluses, buddy.
hottrash96 5y ago
anything specific in mind?
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Submarine cable.
Whisper 5y ago
We actually don't care how we are viewed from the outside.
hottrash96 5y ago
I think y'all heard art student and assumed I'm some femme art bitch. I'm serious about men's rights and was hoping for actual ideas.
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whatdidshewrite 5y ago
We actually don't care
Whisper 5y ago
Same. Really.
First of all, we are barbarians who don't care about art. Second, we don't really care what your audience thinks of us, either.
This isn't about how we confront an audience that's assumed to be hostile. It's about how we really don't confront an audience at all.
We're not raising awareness, we're changing our own behaviour.
FereallyRed 5y ago
I think you'll find nobody cares.
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FereallyRed 5y ago
A literal bag of dicks. From a bunch of dicks.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
I have a true blackpill theory.
All women hate men and are simply waiting to have enough power to rule over us to make our lives miserable for revenge for their past treatment.
Toxic masculinity is equivalent to female hysteria of the past etc.
RedForEducation 5y ago
She acts real well for men she wants in her life
SimilarHamster 5y ago
They don't hate you unless they cant use you
KeffirLime 5y ago
Women who aren't desired by the men they desire are the ones who appear to hate men.
Hence their power struggle revolves around fat positivity, slut acceptance, career women. Essentially an attempt to force desirability.
Toxic masculinity is the same way a women attempts to betaize her boyfriend in an attempt to obtain more comfort, but at the same time making him less desirable to her and everyone else.
Toxic masculinity is simply this happening on a society wide scale, but will never succeed as long as that same masculinity is still sexually rewarded, which it still well and truly is and is why the majority of women are quite loving and caring towards most men.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
So the old joke about feminists being unable to get anyone is based in truth.
nodepostgres 5y ago
Most women I've met don't hate men. But they do hate man-children.
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Modern society creates man-children. Coddle anybody too long and they become arrested.
TRP was initially created for male sexual strategy, but there were so few people that ended up here as full-grown Men to begin with, in the ethos-ideal of the sense of Man, that TRP has gradually shifted according to need; now it angles to help man-children become actual men.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
You mean soy boys?
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TheImpossible1 5y ago
I'm honestly not sure it's a minority at this point, I read somewhere that 52% of women agreed with that shitty razor ad.
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Yeah, of course they did, because it tells men that they ought to be nice little providers. It's telling them that they have to do all these 'chivalrous' play-acts because it's the 'right thing to do.'
When you create moral imperatives, you destroy the fundamental truth of the world – that actions have consequences, or in this case, that a man should expect anything for working hard.
The next logical step is that children should not have to obey advice or commands from their parents, and that a parent choosing to have a child absolves that child of all gratefulness for being fed, clothed, etc.
By drawing this corollary, we can see that the fundamental essence of feminism is the same essence of every 'youth in revolt' movement that has ever been precipitated:
"We didn't ask to be born, you chose this, we don't have to do anything you tell us!"
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Wrong.
All women are instinctively submissive and will submit and defer to any man who appears calm, competent, and confident.
"Toxic masculinity" is just another gambit in feminism's world-wide tantrum, pushing the boundaries to see how much free shit they can get before Daddy Patriarchy finally puts his foot down and says "no".
TheImpossible1 5y ago
I don't think anyone will put their foot down.
This shit will go further and further.
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No, you won't put your foot down.
This is the premise of how feminism works – the individual male will not rise against the collective female unionization. Media feminism translates into a trickle-down effect between singular man-to-woman interactions.The hilarious thing about feminism is that by decimating the entitlement of the average man, it makes the world's easiest pickings for a superior man, ipso facto.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
Well what can an individual do exactly?
In terms of removing their power, I have nothing.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Yes you do. You have the scope of your own power. That will control more bitches than you realize.
Plus, putting your own foot down will have the benefit of improving the quality of YOUR life and circumstances, which is presumably what you care about.
The Red Pill isn't a movement aimed at fixing society. It's a toolbox for improving your own quality of life.
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Bingo. And making men feel helpless against the Collective Womanhood is the precise principle of Feminist Unionization. TRP can't change that, it can only enlighten you re: the current tides of society.
Also, u/TheImpossible1, it's important to remember that contextually, you always have next to no power in the universe. This is where the Sagan-perspective is helpful. You zoom in enough, you are a god. You zoom out far enough, you are a speck.
You don't need to rob anyone else of their power, but you need to be dead certain of the scope of your own power.
hyperrreal 5y ago
/u/redpillschool can you explain why I was banned here? I've never commented/posted here until right now, and had no intention of ever coming over to participate.
On PPD, there's a perception that TRP is a hugbox in many ways. And doing SJW-style preemptive bans def makes that belief seem more credible.
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hyperrreal 5y ago
lmao dude, you're throwing RP memes/tropes at me rather than responding to my comment.
I never said I was indifferent, I said I was banned here despite the fact that I have literally never commented here, posted here, messaged modmail here, or had any other interaction with the forum. And I'm curious as to why the mods here banned me preemptively like many SJW subs do.
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hyperrreal 5y ago
A real answer would be nice.
But besides that, I'm raising the issue b/c I think how this forum is lead/moderated is related to why it seems to be on the decline in terms of traffic/relevance.
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RedForEducation 5y ago
Well, if you were treated poorly on a place you've never visited, I guess it's gone to shit.
Quarantine had nothing to do with it.
Then again, it's clear that the two forums have a giant disagreement on what counts as good moderation.
buartha 5y ago
None of what you said addresses the fact that he was banned without posting a comment. Prebanning people doesn't qualify as moderation to keep the sub clean, especially when it's someone like hyperreal that leans red anyway.
And for the record I'm guessing that it was almost certainly nothing to do with what you've said and was likely a revenge banning for the fact that a couple of TRP mods have been on/off banned from PPD.
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buartha 5y ago
Nah, watching the terp ECs discuss things is like a freakshow dedicated entirely to intellectual special needs, I underestimated how difficult it would be to tear my eyes away from the trainwreck. So am going to stick around here and enjoy myself for the duration
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
That's the spirit!
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buartha 5y ago
Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure that posting on TRP once in a while doesn't automatically make me that much of a loser
vandaalen 5y ago
And same as eating too much popcorn, it's a self-destructive behaviour. Maybe you should start to go cold-turkey in order to get yourself into a state where you are able to better yourself.
Both popcorn and outrage-porn that is.
buartha 5y ago
I feel like my enjoyment of terp cringe is not going to negatively affect my life in any way, but should I ever feel like it does I will be sure to stop and dedicate the time I've saved to lifting weights with one hand and furiously masturbating to Meditations with the other
sublimemongrel 5y ago
I really don't think he needs the lecture.
vandaalen 5y ago
Thanks for your opinion.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
We don't have a policy of preemptive bans. I don't know why you were banned. Mod tools are terrible so there's no way to easily look back in time and find out.
My guess is that you did participate, or at least on one of our sister subs.
hyperrreal 5y ago
Nah, you can tell because when you're banned without having ever commented/posted, reddit doesn't send you a ban message via PM.
I had no idea I was banned until one day I noticed the submit sidebars were gone when I was reading a post here. I know a number of people on PPD have had that experience with this forum.
It's an interesting similarity TRP has with a lot of social justice/left leaning subs, where mods also ban people who participate on subs they don't like, or who says things in other forums they disagree with.
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hyperrreal 5y ago
I didn't say anything about safer bot. I said preemptively banned, which could be automated via a bot or just done ad hoc by human mods.
But it's irrelevant. B/c arguably what you're doing here is worse than the subs using saferbot. At least they are upfront about what they do. They aren't making any pretensions about what kind of forum they are.
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TheRedPike 5y ago
Might have happened, but if it did, there would be a message. This is a site process, not a mod process. If it didn't happen, take it up with reddit.
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
You got us. You got us so good. I said "we don't have a policy of pre-emptive bans," but you replied on our sub on which you are not banned, in a thread where we invite people to disagree with us. I guess we really are like SJWs where we ban people who disagree with us.
cxj 5y ago
I for one hope u/hyperrreal remains unbanned !
hyperrreal 5y ago
You invited people to come here and disagree as a way to boost traffic in response to your quarantine. That's a reasonable thing to do, but it's not out of some love of debate/discourse.
Agree and amplify schickt aside, TRP does have a lot in common with left-wing idpol. I think that's why both sides try so hard to perform wokeness/edginess (respectively). Helps mask how bound up both groups/ideologies are together.
Texastentialism 5y ago
I mean this is all well and good, but the fact remains that u/hyperrreal at one time was preemptively banned. He had to be unbanned to participate in this thread.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Like I said, mod tools are not very good so I cannot confirm this is the case. We can take hyperreal's word for it that they didn't receive a notice, but I've had members who have participated and they also have missed or think they didn't get the message.
All I can say is, we don't have this policy, and I have unbanned them to rectify said issue. There isn't much more you can get out of it.
i_have_a_semicolon 5y ago
Ah a good ol he said she said situation but there's no cuck to take the fall
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DrMrJrSr 5y ago
Ooh, can we have red pill hats and march on Washington?
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DrMrJrSr 5y ago
Punch yourself in the dick for taking it seriously, dumbass.
GastrointestinalRein 5y ago
Hey guys, i am 20 and literally rock bottom beta i can't go to clubs because age limit, i am skinny, so my question is With all this can i still game? I want to be confident with girls so i was thinking to start talking to them during daytime i can even do night time, i will be alone so i am my only moral supporter, and i have currently got a drop in my academic year.
party_dragon 5y ago
Master PUAs can pick up without speaking.
Should you try to seduce girls without speaking? Well, if you want, but you don't need to... You're free to use any tool in your toolbox. Words are one tool. Looks is another. Sometimes, it might be beneficial to avoid using some tool, if you've become too reliant on it ("crutch" - master PUAs often try to improve by limiting what parts of Game they can use).
SimilarHamster 5y ago
The same bro 20-year-old here skinny as a stick and cripled as well. I go to college by myself. If i can game by myself you can too the thing is don't expect to start out being good at talking to girls unless you're naturally redpilled. The trick is finding what girls are attracted to you through eye contact, waiting for a time they are isolated and then just spending time talking to them or near them. Do that long enough eventually the feels will devolp.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Yes and no.
Any guy can run game. Any guy can be effective with game, regardless of his appearance. Physical attractiveness merely enhances the effect of good game applied correctly.
Your initial problem will be that you LACK PRACTICE. You haven't developed all of the non-verbal cues indicating confidence. Even if you nail down the correct things to say, your body language and behaviour will still be incongruent with your words, and girls will pick up on that.
You need to go out and practice. Fail a bunch of times, learn from your mistakes, and adjust. Get incrementally better each time. Game is an acquirable skill like anything else.
GastrointestinalRein 5y ago
Thanks man, i'll follow this!
Kurush559 5y ago
You also need to lift weights
Philhelm 5y ago
If you're too skinny, go to a gym and lift. You don't even need to be jacked.
Regarding women, the pain of rejection would pale in comparison to the pain of life regret.
GastrointestinalRein 5y ago
So can i even talk to them while on street like is it compulsory to hit the clubs?
Philhelm 5y ago
Clubs are a bad place. I would suggest using online dating and target the fugly girls just to get some experience under your belt. Think of it like an RPG - you start out killing rats before you can kill a dragon.
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If you have to ask this question, you are not ready.
When you no longer have to ask this question, then the answer will be "do as thou wilt."
PosnerRocks 5y ago
IMO clubs are a terrible place to pick up women. It's loud and it is going to come down to physical attraction first. Just practice talking to women in a context not involving trying to sleep with them. You're in school. Just doing study groups or grabbing a coffee to go over notes, legitimately, will help your confidence.
Hit the gym. Get bigger. You'll have this nagging thing in your head about being skinny that will hold you back. It will dissapate when you bulk up. (EAT EAT EAT. hardest thing for me was forcing myself to eat enough).
Finally, wearing clothes that fit is big. You're skinny so baggy clothes are out. Get something that fits more snug. Hit up male fashion advice and go from there.
whichbladeN 5y ago
Do you ever socialize with women outside the context of trying to ask them out?
GastrointestinalRein 5y ago
No dude
Mickleton_Mouseroo 5y ago
I think starting with cold pickup if you’re not really interacting with women atm would be fairly unsuccessful, are there any local social groups you could join to increase your interaction with women, like volunteering, sports, society’s etc? If so, that would be a good starting point to learn in parallel with lifting
GastrointestinalRein 5y ago
I'll search if there are any groups for me to join.
redbossman123 5y ago
What do you say to someone who's main fear of actually trying to get laid is becoming a victim of #metoo? Vic Mignogna just had this happen to him, and generally that shit ruins lives, so how does someone get over the fact that there is a movement to accuse men of things which aren't what they say they are?
Another question is generally, should men generally avoid girls who are taller than them? Something I've wondered for a while actually.
SavingMasculinity 5y ago
If it's a matter of you not thinking she will like you because you're shorter, you won't know until you talk to the girl. I have fucked taller girls I'd have at first thought would only want someone taller. Some girls just wanna fuck, and don't care about shit like that.
redpillcad 5y ago
Use common sense and know that Metoo is a scarecrow for betas. Its women opting out of obligatory sex with losers. They still chase alpha cock very aggressively
CainPrice 5y ago
Quit buying into the internet manosphere hysteria. Normal guys trying to pick up a normal girl in a bar are in no danger of getting into legal trouble. Normal guys having a hook-up with a normal girl are in no danger of being ruined.
If you're a celebrity, a politician, or a woman's boss and you try to hit on her, that's a different story. But if you're just some dude from Tinder or a bar, and a girl isn't going to face any social fallout from fucking you because you're not in her life and don't know her co-workers or friend circle, you're fine. She'll enjoy the sex and see you again if it was good, or not see you again if it sucked.
Normal guys who have consensual hook-ups with women have very little to worry about regarding rape accusations. If you're some random dude who isn't a celebrity, politician, co-worker, or part of a girl's social circle, and she had a discrete hook-up with you and nobody in her work or social circles knows that she's a casual sex girl, you're fine. If anything, accusing you of rape would put her casual sex habit into a more public light.
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grewapair 5y ago
Metoo is easy. If the cops show up, say NOTHING. NOTHING.
Here's what cops have to prove: 1) that you had sex and 2) the girl at some point (like later, after she changed her mind) believed there was no consent. #2 is easy as pie to prove because every jury will just believe the woman, but without #1, they aren't taking it to trial and they have no proof because no one does a rape kit when there was consent.
So here's what most dumbass guys say when questioned by the cops. I had sex with her but there was consent. Dumbass, you just gave them #1 when they had no proof. Had you not opened your mouth, there'd be no trial, no nothing. But you had to give them #1. And #2 is in the bag.
So shut the fuck up. Don't say one word. Just say I don't want to talk with you, I want to talk to my lawyer to protect my constitutional rights. Then shut the fuck up. Your chance of there even being a trial is zero. DO NOT admit to even knowing the girl. Once they realize they have to prove everything, they'll move on to an easier case, because without proof of sex, their case is sunk from the start and they will not bother.
mineralranch 5y ago
I support this advice. I'd just like to add that most of the damage done from a false accusation isn't legal, but social. Being labeled a rapist totally destroys your reputation. This happened to me a few months ago and I lost 90% of my social circle, many of whom were childhood friends. Also, people are fucking stupid and vindictive. They want to earn points with the in-crowd by destroying another person's life without a shred of evidence. Because people are stupid and vindictive, I don't how this will affect me moving forward. I'm more concerned about building a life I could be proud of just to have it fall apart again than I am going to jail. There is a .0001% chance of that happening (jail).
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And because I agree with your advice, I handled the situation by saying nothing even though I wanted to do the complete opposite. I contacted a lawyer who told me to shut the fuck up and move on with my life.
FlexTaper911 5y ago
mgtow
vandaalen 5y ago
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Littleknownfacts 5y ago
This is a good answer. I may steal it.
SavingMasculinity 5y ago
Yeah cause some women are gold digging whores. And thus will accuse you once they know you can pay up.
Vile bitches.
RedForEducation 5y ago
The whole movement was sociopaths throwing accusations at sociopaths. Most were false, and the one guy Weinstein is probably going to get off.
Kavanagh showed most people how false accusations occur. Couldn't have done more good for men
redhawkes 2 5y ago
Fear is the mindset killer. That's the goal of this metoo and similar bullshit, to keep you in check.
Those things are specifically targeted selected persons, you or your friend aren't that important. This shit is magnified thru the social media and mass media, that gets repeated over and over again, doesn't really happen in real life. Avoid crazy BPD bitches tho.
The result, generation of wimps scared to talk to women. Weeding out the weak.
Always let a woman figure out why she wont fuck you, never do it for her.
redbossman123 5y ago
I've read most of the sidebar before, it's just that I kinda refuse to look at the sub besides this thread since the sexual advice is useless until I start lifting. Other than the obvious shit (too many tattoos in too many blatantly visible places, etc) how does one identify BPD chicks?
redhawkes 2 5y ago
Mood swings, love bombing then withholding and acting cold, gaslighting, self harming etc.
You need to spend some time with them cos those symptoms won't reveal right away.
You should search the sub, there were couple of posts from guys who were trapped into BPD trap.
vandaalen 5y ago
Let aside the chances of having it happen to you are incredibly low anyways, you can virtually decrease them to zero if you follow two simple rules:
Don't stick your dick into crazy.
Tombert_Williams 5y ago
Crazy doesn’t always pre-disclose itself.
vandaalen 5y ago
It does
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Tombert_Williams 5y ago
With all due respect, that's just dumb. RP theories are useful but they aren't absolute, like physics. Yes, people and women do sometimes behave in unexpected ways. The question then becomes what do you do about it.
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Tombert_Williams 5y ago
Got it!
FieldLine 5y ago
This is a valid question that comes up quite often.
The answer is to realize that despite the amount of casual sex they are having, most girls aren't falsely accusing guys of sexual assault. It's not nearly as common as the internet would have you think. Women aren't interested in reporting you to the police, they're interested in "good vibes". Girls just want to have fun.
And, for what it's worth, the uncommon girl who is capable of falsely accusing you of rape is more likely to do so if you make her feel uncomfortable by being disingenuous with your actions rather then escalating as she is pretty much expecting, even if she ultimately rejects you when you make your move.
Stop reading all that MGTOW shit about rape accusations, they blow everything out of proportion. In fact, stop reading MGTOW at all. You have better things to do with your time.
No. Just make sure you are strong enough to pick them up/move them around.
redbossman123 5y ago
I used to read MGTOW before I realized a lot of it was defeatism rather than actually trying to be a political movement to repeal the gynocentric laws on the books. I think that what you're saying is rather good for my state of mind, it's just that right now, I'm mainly stuck saving fucking Reddit comments because before anything, I need to start lifting, and I have absolutely shit amount of self-motivation to start other than to not get diabetes and to get laid. That plus I've always been better following a written diet plan along with lifting before I got to where I am now.
I think why people blow rape allegations out of the window is the fact that if the literal personification of Chad that is Christiano Ronaldo can get falsely accused of rape, what stops Joe Schmoe from getting accused?
FieldLine 5y ago
That's as good a motivation as any. No one likes lifting when they start, and everyone has some stupid reason they stick with it. Usually it's women.
But after just a couple of weeks you'll see a change in the mirror and that itself will motivate you to keep going. For me it was seeing my traps grow after I learned to deadlift. It took just two weeks.
Nothing. It's a big problem that it is allowed to happen at all.
But you asked how you can practically get over that fear when escalating. You just have to ignore it. Ultimately there is nothing you can do to defend yourself against a mattress carrier, but it's kind of like there's nothing you can do if a plane's wings come off mid-flight yet you still have no problem flying Delta to the Bahamas every year.
But I disagree that this is the reason people blow rape allegations out of the window. More likely it's because reading rage bait is as addictive as watching porn. Looking at memes day after day about how shitty women are is the same as reading /r/TalesFromRetail and /r/ChoosingBeggars. That any of it is true doesn't make it productive to harp on.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
Speak for yourself. I loved lifting since day 1. A good way to get motivation is to go to a nursing home and observe quietly all the old people who struggle to stand up from a f'ing chair.
Had they lifted all their lives and ate well they wouldn't be in that position. Since I love autonomy and would rather get fed to piranha than be an elderly invalid I lift like there's no tomorrow.
redbossman123 5y ago
I get the #metoo stuff now, but one thing I wanna ask is how did you go about a diet plan? I'm the type of person who is going to eat unhealthily unless they have a written list of what they should eat to achieve X goal, did you like write out your meals or something like that? I feel like eating the junk I do at university is a part of why I might not have much motivation, since apparently food can effect emotions and that kinda stuff.
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That which is monitored gets managed.
Download MyFitnessPal and start off by simply tracking the food you eat for a few weeks. The barcode scanner is 90% effective so it’s braindead easy to do. Then say I’m gonna make one healthy meal a week and keep ramping up from there.
I prep my lunches and adjust my dinners to meet my calorie goals. I minimize processed foods as much as possible. It definitely helps mood yet I couldn’t pin that down to exercise or diet alone, it’s a synergy.
I loosely follow IF now. I was very religious about it when I was cutting hard. It helped me stay on the wagon with a feed window.
Chocolate milk is still my eternal weakness
RedForEducation 5y ago
Try intermittent fasting... It changes your appetite against crap
FieldLine 5y ago
I love to cook, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.
The important thing when you start is to make sure you are eating enough... plan your meals around some kind of protein, supplement carbs when you need energy, and work in some veggies here and there.
Eventually you will learn what your body needs.
Could be. Try working out while eating more university food. Not the healthiest option for the long term, but you might be surprised by how your outlook changes. Short of eating lots of sugar, and provided I am eating enough, I find hydration is more important for my mental state than the particular protein I eat.
Stop analyzing and just start, dude. You'll figure it out as you go.
redbossman123 5y ago
Thanks.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
Also consider finding healthier food at the university. Most places have a salad bar- hard boiled eggs are a great source of protein and dietary fat (and currently compose a good 20% of my diet).
Most of what is served in dining halls is shitty, but be conscious of the best possible choices and make a habit of selecting them. Fruits, veggies, chicken, eggs, etc.
Personal advice, stick with the diet no matter what temptations you see. When I first tried to go on a diet I would get broken by a perceived scarcity dilemma.' I can't quit dessert tonight, they have the good ice cream tonight, they hardly ever have that.' Habits form over time, if you turn something down once it makes it easier the next time, if you take it it gets harder. At this point I see the same ice cream that used to break me about once a week and laugh about it to myself.
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Pros/Cons of plating ex-wives.
Lets assume oneitis is not a factor here.
Heinous_White_Man 5y ago
Pros: More sex is cool and you already find her attractive otherwise you wouldn't have married her in the first place.
Cons: She's your ex-wife. There is a reason that "ex" is in front. Also, depending on the reasons why you divorced, she may harbor resentment which may make your life more difficult if you jump back into that pond.
krowitz 5y ago
Pros: If you have kids together, would be nice to see a degree of intimacy between the parents.
Cons: Pretty sure the reason for being the ex-wife is enough.
CainPrice 5y ago
Plating -your- ex-wife? Stupid.
Plating some other guy's ex-wife? That's great.
SynergisticSuccess 5y ago
Why bother when there are plenty of other women available?
redpillcad 5y ago
Is there a pro to eating a meal, vomiting it up, and eating it again when there is a full fridge in the next room?
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You know I came very close to reaching out to you on this one in greater detail as I’ve thought it over. We think alike in most situations.
I won’t lie there’s a bit of a revenge motivation somewhere in there.
The stock answer here is to cut her out of my life as much as possible. Life’s answers never fit neatly.
EkMard 5y ago
You deserve that username.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
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Persaeus 5y ago
only Pro to add would be multi-tasking. see your kids and bust a nut in the same trip.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Not sure if this qualifies, but my dad is so alpha he had his second ex wife foster his child from his third ex wife while with his fourth wife, my mom. So I'd say that's a possible perk.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Maybe, but is he getting threesomes or just child care?
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Ew. Child care.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Hmm. Looks like he might be underutilizing his resources.
Isbjornsolo 5y ago
Your right. Once you’ve got the basics. Most of the posts are newbies spouting the same stuff. However the ECs distribute some funny articles with nuggets of gold.
Personally I help because I know what it’s like to be on a long cold streak and if any advice I can give can break it. Then it’s no skin off my back.
The mutual benefit if more of a passing down the chain. The more established members help raise others up and so on.
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RedForEducation 5y ago
Ric flair
Battagliare 5y ago
Genghis Khan ofc
SimilarHamster 5y ago
Tyrion Lanaster game of thrones
FereallyRed 5y ago
We don't have heroes here.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
Note that in the past, before feminism, masculinity was not overtly demonized. As a result, there were many "manly" men in the past but those men might still have been clueless about women and thus essentially blue pill.
To take an fictional example (just because this is what pops into my head) consider the story of Samson and Delilah. He is unquestionably masculine, but he repeatedly falls for the same trick being perpetrated by the same woman and just constantly refuses to believe she isn't his unicorn.
By contrast, consider Shakespeare I have no doubt that he probably a ridiculous fop (in keeping with the standards of his day), but he was red pilled as fuck. He knew a lot of truths about men and women. There are a whole bunch of examples I can give, but consider just this one: Helena describing the depth of her love for Demetrius.
Demetrius: I do not, and cannot, love you
Helena: And even for that do I love you the more. I am your spaniel. And, Demetrius, the more you beat me, I will fawn on you. Use me but as your spaniel—spurn me, strike me, neglect me, lose me. Only give me leave, unworthy as I am, to follow you. What worser place can I beg in your love— And yet a place of high respect with me— than to be used as you use your dog?
Now to be clear, that's not a healthy relationship, right? But the point is, this is not something that a blue pill author could possibly write. He wouldn't be able to conceive of it. A blue pill author would write about a man beating a woman and her saying she's sorry. They cannot possibly imagine a man saying "nah" and a woman feeling the that Helena feels.
bowhunter6 5y ago
Great analysis. I hadn’t considered the one about Shakespeare, but it makes sense. I did, however, always wonder about Samson. How are you gonna marry a woman who came from the people of your sworn enemy and not sleep with one eye open all the time? Dude was an idiot. At least he (sort of) got his revenge in the end.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
To answer your question more directly than I did in my previous comment, I would say that Marcus Aurelius is probably the most red-pilled man to have ever lived. He was an adherent of Stoicism which, I think, would probably be what TRP would be if feminism didn't exist and sex wasn't such a core issue for so many men.
Maybe also Buddha. The idea that desire itself is what makes you unhappy is pretty red pill - it's the sort of kernel of an idea from which you could derive modern TRP. Specifically, I would tell men today that it's not women (or lack of them) that's making you unhappy, it's that you're focusing too much on them. I mean, that's my criticism of the incel community too.
dgrawrpla 5y ago
Yet here we are. Instead of in-depth discussions of "Meditations","The Art of War", "De Re Militari", understanding the Agoge etc. 99% of TRP is about plate-spinning and "managing your bitches", as if the greatest accomplishment a man could hope for is bedding a girl on the first date.
While you guys are doing a great job in enlightening a lot of young men out there, this whole focus on "sexual strategy" is leading them into yet another trap. I didn't read any passages in "Meditations" about plate-spinning or escalation etc. It'd be great if there'd be more of the content hinted at in this comment of yours, rather than the whole "spin-those plates" narrative completely dominating this sub.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
I guess a person's focus is a function with two inputs: (a) how important something is, (b) how difficult it is.
My career is important to me, but I've got that pretty much on lockdown. Plus, I discuss it on other forums with other usernames.
Dating is also important to me, and while I wouldn't call it difficult anymore, it's definitely not easy. It's more like, subtle, which actually kind of makes it interesting. Anyway, if I want to discuss the realpolitik of human sexuality, where else can I go but here?
sublimemongrel 5y ago
u/redpillcoach why did you dismiss your civil case against reddit or if not, what happened there?
buartha 5y ago
Best question.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
Because it will just costs him effort and money and he will gain... nothing?
sublimemongrel 5y ago
And why would you file the case at all if that's your belief? He's a lawyer, it was HIS effort and money to file it to begin with.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I haven't heard about this, what's the scoop?
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TheRedPike 5y ago
Put links through archive.is and repost. Automod nukes anything with hotlinks to reddit, even to our own subs.
sublimemongrel 5y ago
Ok I’ll try that sorry I didn’t know
TheRedPike 5y ago
automod is a retard. There is no way for us to keep him in a cage--it's all or nothing.
sublimemongrel 5y ago
Ok sorry for repeatedly replying to you but I got another submission removed message. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I assume you cannot see the other two replies I made because they were removed.
Essentially, u/redpillcoach made a post on MRP (which I tried to link here just now) about suing reddit for "discrimination" based on his Reddit advertisement being rejected. In his merp post he linked a copy of his complaint. Based on the public docket of the case, I think he filed it and then voluntarily dismissed it, I don't even think he served Reddit, and I wanted to confirm that was the case or find out what happened if not.
I tried to link you the MRP post and the michigan state court's online docket portal but apparently linking those is why my "submission" keeps getting removed. Sorry, if you tell me how to link those here appropriately, I will, or PM me and I can send them to you if you want to see the original post which prompted my question.
Edit: Here is the post (I think, I don't know how to archive so hopefully that works)
RedPillCoach 5y ago
Yes, I filed a case alleging that Reddit committed political and gender discrimination in refusing to do business with me or accepting my advertising money.
Reddit house counsel contacted me and a discussion ensued. Essentially they argued Reddit had the right to do business with whoever they wanted and to not do business with whoever they wanted. Remember, my case was not about "public use" but about using the forum for advertising. So I had not been Quarantined or Banned and I was arguing that they literally would not take my money and the only possible explanation was gender and/or political discrimination.
Reddit house counsel then offered to run my advertisement so long as I used another user name to run it. He argued that permitting "Red Pill Coach" to advertise under that name was a tacit endorsement and his client was not required to do that.
I essentially agreed with him that companies also have the right of free association and agreed to run the add under another name. They agreed to credit my account for the amount I spent filing the lawsuit (effectively giving me my costs on the case).
Once they agreed to run my ad even though under another name, my discrimination argument went away along with the case.
sublimemongrel 5y ago
So in the 2.5 months this case was filed you actually did serve Reddit, had this negotiation with in house counsel and they credited you $175.00 in your reddit advertising account? What name did you end up using can you share that? I feel like the advertisements I see run under the name of the product all the time.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Thanks. (it was removed because of inter-reddit links). But I got the gist from your post thank you.
sublimemongrel 5y ago
You can’t link reddit posts here? It was from the MRP subreddit.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
We're hyper vigilant not to allow inter-reddit links (even to ourselves or friendly subs). Don't want to give the admin any reasons to blame us for brigading (even if they're lying about it).
sublimemongrel 5y ago
Oh ok I wish he’d come answer me lol
axletruss 5y ago
When nearly all of the mainstream Movies/TV shows/fiction have blue pill references then what can a red pill dude watch or read for entertainment?
321PK 5y ago
Entertainment? Just no. You’re supposed to be slaving away on your hobbies, finding ways to “save time” and always be gaming. There’s just no room in the matrix for leisure or languor.
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
Tv shows - fuck that. Time waster.
Books - Read classic books, history, war, pshychology, autobiographies of great men.
Do other things for entertainment, pick a new hobby, start mma/bjj, rock climbing, learn an instrument, walk in the park etc.
Some podcasts can be entertaining and still good for you.
womans_algorithm 5y ago
Mongoian throat singing.
Mojiitoo 5y ago
Crazy Stupid Love is my favourite. More fun and less gay than it sounds, about divorced guy turned chad by ryan gosling.
FieldLine 5y ago
Read good fiction. Read non-fiction. There are also some good TV shows out there. Video games aren't my thing, but they can be useful to blow off steam.
Or else enjoy mainstream entertainment and ignore the parts you don't like. I'm a sucker for Marvel movies even with all the rah-rah, you-go-girl bullshit.
krowitz 5y ago
Watch Breaking Bad if you haven't.
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I enjoy re-watching series I enjoyed when I was still blue. HIMYM is one of them, really makes me see the difference in the mindset shift.
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Read religious texts with an RP mindset, see what the objective is.
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Kurush559 5y ago
I actually think barney as a character was more funny after finding trp
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max_peenor 5y ago
Same goes with porn.
ImaginaryBox 5y ago
What valuable takeaways can a gay guy take out of TRP? Besides lifting and maximizing appearances. I thoroughly enjoy the content of this sub, just don't know what things are and aren't applicable from here in life.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Mostly learning from other guys field reports. The "theory" posts? Not so much
redpillcad 5y ago
Hard to really say. Most of us dont know what arouses gay men.
We learned that women respond to very different behaviors than what they say. We compared notes and TRP was born
Hope that helps
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Submissive femininity responds to masculinity regardless of gender
DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
Ahh. So this is why butch dykes pull cute chicks?
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
There is an “altTRP” for gay guys but I’m a zero on the Kinsey Scale so never visited it nor do I know how active it is.
max_peenor 5y ago
I typo'd asktrp once and it autocorrected to that. I commented in a couple threads, but I was very confused until I looked at the sidebar.
Whisper 5y ago
Probably nothing.
By all means read if you find it interesting, but I would be quite surprised if any of this material had any relevance for homosexuals.
We made an "altTRP" for gay guys, once, as an experiment, but it fizzled, because gay guys don't need one. Picking up men, apparently, is as easy as falling off a log.
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GlobalAsshat 5y ago
So do women.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
A phenomenon I noticed: gay men and trans females lurking RedPillWomen to learn the nuts and bolts of feminine behavior. It was interesting to see them far more interested in femininity than the average straight young woman.
Exile_In_Redditville 5y ago
Gay men and trans females are probably more confused and/or interested in femininity compared to the average straight young woman for whom it's not a mystery.
Kurush559 5y ago
Tbh trans women are more likely to want to be and appear feminine than your average woman - notice how theyre always glammed up?
Exile_In_Redditville 5y ago
They're more likely to have to glam to appear as feminine as the average woman! Some are exceptional at it, I imagine it has a lot to do with where they're at/how they respond to hormone treatments as well as individual effort at hair, clothes, and makeup. Honestly in the age of YouTube tutorials anybody who wants to look femme can.
One of my more girly hobbies has many trans women participants. My absolute favorite conversation is when they figure out glam = high maintenance to men, it shocks more than I thought it would honestly. Vetting from the other "team's" side is a great conversation.
EkMard 5y ago
What do you mean by the following?
Exile_In_Redditville 5y ago
Well I worded it badly because I was in a hurry but I should've said "glam = high maintenance to SOME men."
What I mean by it is a trans woman, no matter how short the actual time span is, spends 100% more time growing up male than a cis woman. So it's interesting that they act surprised at this. It's my favorite conversation with them because of the irony involved. Also because if you're glam you're never gonna make some guy looking for "cool girl" happy, and he's going to make you miserable too. Take your glowy skin and shiny hair elsewhere where it will be appreciated minus some "JuSt WeAr JeAnS aNd a PoNyTaIl!" guy's n-count notch.
DaftOdyssey 5y ago
How can I differentiate between the reasons of why I'm fucking women: is it because I want to or is it to gain personal validation? And if it's the latter, is it normal/healthy to gain some personal validation?
FereallyRed 5y ago
When you aren't successful, women become a leading indicator of success in your mind. All kinds of validation tied up in the hunt, the sex, the neediness.
When you realize that with success comes women, they become a lagging indicator of success and therefore you don't derive as much validation...it becomes more of a "check yourself" metric.
But we're social animals, and sex feels good, man.
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max_peenor 5y ago
Fucking slam dunk.
PosnerRocks 5y ago
If you value your self-worth by the women you fuck, it is not healthy. Strength and self-confidence should come from your intrinsic value and not be dependent upon the women you are sleeping with.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
I agree. Thinking that way is having an external locus of control - it's dangerous, because we're all going to fail or fuck up occasionally, and you can't let that bring you down. This is the mistake that famous people make. They're flying high thinking everyone loves them, but when they crash, they crash hard, because their entire self worth was in other people's opinions.
beachredwhine 5y ago
Do you guys hate the whiny helpless incel brigade as much as the rest of us?
max_peenor 5y ago
Your answer
EDIT: whoopsie, fat fingered SAVE.
Anyway, I don't hate anyone. As I pointed out earlier today, there are two sorts of incels we so. Those that want to fix themselves and they are welcome. Then there are those that want to burn the world down because they think the world hates them. I really don't like that second crew around here.
Whisper 5y ago
I don't hate anyone.
Help-resistant complainers can, however, be somewhat annoying.
FereallyRed 5y ago
I don't think about them at all.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Fairly strong emotion to have over online words.
FieldLine 5y ago
I don't hate them. I feel sorry for them.
beachredwhine 5y ago
Happy cake day
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Vikingcel 5y ago
Wat
Have you been fucking incels or something?
DespisedByWomen 5y ago
What's our problem and what's the simple fix
Ill_Will7 5y ago
Actually experiment with what you read. See if approaching women and getting rejected leads you quicker to getting pussy or quicker to going back to being an incel
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DespisedByWomen 5y ago
Ah so big talk and no follow through, what else is new with you RP guys lmao
axletruss 5y ago
If a father went on to "spinning plates" while his children are dying in hunger then should the child abandon the father when he grows up because his mother is the only one looking for him?
max_peenor 5y ago
Do what you feel is right.
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ProFriendZoner 5y ago
I did.
Adeus_Ayrton 5y ago
You're dealing in extremes here. Reality has lotsa shades of gray, not just black and white.
But if it's exactly as you describe, then yes.
clavabot 5y ago
Question: How do you close?
I notice that I seem to be doing everything 'right' except closing, I can chat people up, leave a positive impression, joke around, etc but have no clue how to 'go for the kill', how to say 'Hey, lets have sex, back at your place' without risking a 'sexual harassment/rape' charge. [The deeper question is how can I get over my fear of being accused of sexual harassment, this is paralyzing me, from finally losing my virginity]
max_peenor 5y ago
This is by far the hardest question for anyone here to answer, because a close is ultimately a confluence of situation, attractiveness and positioning. These are huge variables. However, let's see if I can give you a few tools for your box.
Female arousal is multi-factor. A woman can just simply touch your dick and it's off to the races. You need to feed the hamster more than that. She wants to feel your attraction to her. She wants to feel her apprehensiveness turn into desire. She wants to feel how the setting carries the mood--music/noise, surroundings, etc. You need to set this stage and put something into each of these pots--your desire, her submission (not the same as submissiveness) and environmental mood. Work all of these things and once.
As you work this, you will get feedback but most men don't recognize it. One thing to look for is they gently sway their body, almost as if offering it towards you, but pulling back to see if you engage them more. If you are into dancing (I'm not), this can be either more obvious or sending the wrong message, so be careful. Motion is always a sign, so learn to ready it. It's either telling you interest or a desire to retreat. Lack of motion is indifference and that's not a good sign; pull the sheets.
Once you are in her head, you will need to start working on her body. I've long held that the female neck and shoulders are the key to initiating their physical arousal. Start there; not on her tits. Take control of it without sperging out and straight up throttling her (though some will want to get there eventually).
The right music always helps. It depends on their tastes to some degree, but gear towards something that creates mood, rather than making the music itself a feature. When I was younger, I can't tell you how many women I closed while playing Shine On You Crazy Diamond. Lately it seems The Eden House does the trick. (Mind you, I'm older and women will hold different expectations of me.).
There is already tons of bloop-triggering content around LMR; review it all again.
Again, I've left a ton out here, but it's a taste of what has worked for me,.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Never state directly that you want to have sex. That will scare girls off.
Instead, you need to phrase your sex proposal as an indirect speech act.
Signal the safest relationship to the target (come over to my place and let's watch the jungle documentary on Netflix) while counting on your target to read between the lines and entertain the possibility of sex occurring in a private setting like your apartment.
FereallyRed 5y ago
This is slightly autistic and cringey, but the core principles are solid and since you're new and can't calibrate, the...
DiCarlo Escalation Ladder: Concise and Emphasized
Is a five year old post on how to kino (touch) and escalate so that you don't go from zero to hero, from chatting about the weather to spewing,"Come home with me so we can fuck"!
The asktrp board has a sidebar article..."how to open and close" you should read. Read the whole sidebar while you're there.
That sub is where this question belongs, btw.
CainPrice 5y ago
Touch the girl. Touch during your date. Kissing should be a mid-date activity, not a climactic close. Your date should include an intimate place you can sit, touch, and talk.
If you met the girl off of Tinder or through some other way where a hook-up was the understanding, like at a bar, after an hour or two of drinks, just ask if she wants to get out of there. That's expected. It would be weird -not- to ask unless you're not feeling it for her or it's obvious she's not feeling it for you.
If it's a real date, invite her back to your place for drinks, a movie, whatever. She knows what's up. It's expected that you'll ask. If she wants to wait, she'll tell you it's late and she's tired. She won't get all offended and accuse you of being a perverted rapist. If she comes back with you, she's down.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
As long as your isolated and you think she likes you. Touch her and see how she reacts. If she reacts positively take her hand and put it on your crotch she will get the message.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
That's... leaving out a lot of detail. Read up on push-pull. There is a mutual escalation process that can be completely nonverbal and everyone puts their own hands where they want and when they want to.
rayguar 5y ago
me and my girl just started dating for 2 months and its safe to say we're in love. i've been red pilled for a while but is falling in love with a girl blue pill? how can i still keep myself centered without giving too much to her and keeping this afloat without becoming blue pilled. she digged me because i was RP'd but its hard to keep that attitude when love requires you to be intimate and all that shit.
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
Abundance mentality. Always keep at least one side girl to fuck. It keeps you leveled and not desperate for her pussy, which is her main tool to control you. Indirectly, it's the best thing you cand do if you want your relationship to work.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Putting your blinders on is the issue.
Every horrible divorce started with starry eyed lovers who would be together forever.
Mojiitoo 5y ago
They call that infatuation and or the honeymoon phase. Its like a drug, you cuddle and your stomach feels like a rollercoaster. It has high highs and low lows.
She out partying? Bam you feel terrible the whole night. What if...
At least thats how I experienced it with my ltrs.
Love supposedly is more like a warm feeling for each other.
Dont focus too much on it, keep yourself in check - stay fit, dont become needy or dependent on her, but also enjoy your time. Be ready to walk away if something happends. But just, enjoy it man. Dont be an ass because you think TRP says you need to be, because TRP doesnt. Keep yourself #1
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
Feelings themselves are neither red nor blue. Feelings are the physical manifestation of instincts. The red pill truth though, is that your instincts were designed by natural selection to serve your species, not you as an individual. As a result, following your instincts may lead you to person ruin (and you'll find little consolation in the fact that maybe you engaged in a bit of kin selection).
What you do with the feelings is what will be red vs. blue.
The best advice I can give you is to love her from a position of strength. Be strong for her. Be her rock. Listen to her problems but don't lean on her with your problems. Get some guy friends for that.
Don't imagine that because you love her that means you're secure.
rayguar 5y ago
thanks for reminding me about not leaning on her for my problems. i will be sure to stay strong and never weak. good stuff bro
TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
2 months isn’t enough to really “fall in love”
Psychology tells us that it’s at least 6 months until you really start to see the “real them”
Even then, the “Love” you’re feeling is just a chemical imbalance in your brain
I’d really take a step back & re-evaluate the commitment you’re giving this bitch
The fact you’re trying to Rationalize your feelings to a group of random strangers on the internet is not a good sign to begin with
Be careful, Pleighboy
rayguar 5y ago
good point, im not 100% in love love, but im falling, but im still taking advice and shit, whereas someone fully in love and blinded i feel wouldn't even ask this far. so ur right im not in love completely, but im feeling her heavy. i been spinning plates for a while and this girl is me with a dick. we're on the same mental plain atleast. she isnt a unicorn as physically she isnt the hottest, but mentally for me she's a 10. good point there though, i'll see ho her real self develops after a few months more, but as of right now im just enjoying the ride.
Self-honest 5y ago
Hahaha I'm dying at all the layers there
rayguar 5y ago
LMFAO NAA i fucked up i meant without the dick
Self-honest 5y ago
Haha for sure. Had me rolling though.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
How many of you are typing one handed right now so you can use the other hand to pleasure yourself while practicing your shit test dodges on us?
RedForEducation 5y ago
That would be the people in your after party thread high giving each other over their superior intellect and debate, well honed from years on PPD.
VeryTalentedCheff 5y ago
Holy fuck a shrewd woman who knows how to lash out. Gonna wear my spandex real quick, whip me mommy.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
About tree fiddy
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Voice-to-text baby, I need both hands. ;)
SeamusAwl 5y ago
She just wants to be the center of the TRP bukake party.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Agree and amplify. 4/10 - did make me exhale through my nose sharply.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Agreed and Amplified.
Whisper 5y ago
The girl crouching under my desk is supplying extra hands so I can type properly. Unfortunately, her sister won't fit... I need a bigger desk.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
-1/5 - thoroughly skeeved out.
Whisper 5y ago
Oh, I don't think there's a desk out there that could fit 5.
Self-honest 5y ago
Sounds like somebody's got one hand double clicking the mouse while her other hand is triple clicking refresh on these comments. Get your mind out of the gutter you perv.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Nah man, fancy new technology allows me to be notified on my device when someone comments. No need to pound refresh anymore.
Self-honest 5y ago
Makes sense. Anticipation is key. Hope you've got it set to vibrate.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Just as it's a common rookie mistake for certain guys to assume RPW are deferential and submissive to any man, not just their Captain, it's not safe to assume that we are attracted to every woman who passes by.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Negging. 4/10 because at least you didn't follow the herd. Congrats on not being the lowest common denominator.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Funny, because negging comes rarely in my repertoire of behaviors or advice, hence the third person phrasing. Your question spawned an interesting subthread, so thanks.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Got the candles lit, with some Barry White
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Also agree and amplify, 2/10 - not as funny as redpillschool.
KeffirLime 5y ago
You've clearly never jacked off to Barry White then
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Why does most of the TRP sidebar look like it was written by an angry or juvenile teenager?
krowitz 5y ago
That makes it pure.
As long as the point makes it across, I don't think elegance is required.
Whisper 5y ago
It's written for angry teenagers.
NextBad 5y ago
The same reason early feminist writings seem like angry incels
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They probably were angry femcels..
redhawkes 2 5y ago
If that's really your problem, you're missing the forest for the trees.
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Tell me about the forest as you see it
redhawkes 2 5y ago
Learn to read the context, not the data.
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CainPrice 5y ago
Most people are shitty writers. Some internet essay written by a real world person who's not trying to be professional about it or publish a book is likely to be very badly written.
Your average TRP guy is in his 20s, probably majoring in a STEM field instead of English literature, over-analyzes things, and doesn't communicate well. That doesn't make the ideas themselves bad, but it does decrease the likelihood of finding an entertaining and well-written article on something of interest.
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Their stuff reads like bottom barrel teenage angst .. literally
CainPrice 5y ago
Your standards are too high. It's literally some thoughts some guys had while taking a shit that they fingered into their phones and flung on to the internet in their spare time, without editing or proofreading.
It's not exactly highly curated content. Just content that expresses decent ideas, however bad the writing.
I mean, your comment above has two periods for an ellipses and doesn't end with any punctuation and reads on a fifth grade level, but it's a comment on Reddit. I don't expect you to take the time to proofread it and make it present well.
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CainPrice 5y ago
I know, right? It's actually kind of humbling.
Some random, inarticulate crap I type into my computer today, even if I'm a bad writer who's not that bright, could change a life. A hundred thousand TRP subscribers could read it, and if 0.1 percent of those guys think just a little differently about something because of it, I have literally affected 100 lives today with some random inarticulate idea I typed.
It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from or what your native language is or how educated you are or whether you're a skilled writer or not. You have the power to affect people's lives with your words if your ideas are decent and the people are receptive.
Persaeus 5y ago
"know your audience"
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Ah so most people here are assumed to be angry teenagers?
Persaeus 5y ago
the students are angry young men with the lower end of the distribution being teenagers.
the instructors are older men, and we are not angry
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
N00bs often show up here because they've gone through a rough break-up or are just pissed off because all that "movie shit" they've been told to do doesn't work.
Show up at someone's house at 3am with a boombox held over your head blasting "In Your Eyes" is more likely to result in a restraining order than anything else.
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I disagree that this is effective especially for getting results vs getting their attention. Actually I'm more interested in your movie comment. What supposed movie shit did they see and doesn't work?
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
You only notice when you start paying attention. Many movies and series portray women like goddesses/princesses. Many male characters are being treated like losers.
More so, the fantasy hollywood is trying to create that it's sexy for a man to stalk women give up everything for her because it;'s so romantic blahblah. Buy her presents 100s of roses on valentines etc.
basically that you should treat women like princesses to get some poon... while in reality it's more like the opposite.
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VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Whatever bullshit Hollywood puts in rom-coms. One girl I know actually had a guy tell her, when she dumped him, "but I did all that 'movie' shit."
IMO, the culture misleads men about what women really want, which is, in general, a guy who can handle life, and provide good leadership in a relationship. Sure, some women will say they want a "50-50" relationship...until shit gets real. Women want Leaders not losers, and teaching young men to do whatever girls say they want is the road to being forever alone and isn't good for anyone.
Source: I've had women tell me, point blank, that they feel "calm and relaxed" around me because they are confident in my ability to "handle all problems."
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max_peenor 5y ago
Why are you asking about an arbitrary criterion of your own invention?
I think your comment looks like it was written by an angry or juvenile teenager. This is true because I wrote it on the internet.
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Boring diversion
max_peenor 5y ago
Boring platitude and made up shit.
If you want intellectual respect, you need to be intellectually honest. Name calling is childish and deserves disdain.
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There's grown up came calling and juvenile name calling.. key point.
[deleted] 5y ago
I appreciate your spelling and coprophagia
redhawkes 2 5y ago
and you're in the second group
max_peenor 5y ago
No. In debate or discussion, there is just name calling. We aren't playing in this thread.
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Kurush559 5y ago
Could you point to some instances of this?
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Anything with bitches in the title, any of the ones with toilet humor as well as excessive profanity . If you've read that crap you'll know where to look
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FereallyRed 5y ago
Bad words are a filtering tool. If me calling you a fag makes you lose your shit, then I know I don't need to waste any more time with you, because you're concentrating on the tone, not the content.
Bruce Lee quote....
'Its like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.'
Plus, write to your audience. There are for the most part angry young men here. They are through with simpering platitudes and bullshit advice., he so called Disney dream. That's not working for them. They want the fucking truth.
Fight club quote...
“We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.”
Last, it's a locker room. Where I can say pretty much what I want. That's an exceedingly rare space for men anymore, as most of the world has been feminized to the point that even saying a bad word is "toxic". You know, toxic may be the worst word out there. It means, I'm offended. I don't give a shit. You can be offended all you want. Your feelings are your own, I have no onus to change my behavior to supplicate to anyone.
Blue velvet quote...
"Fuck you, you fucking fuck"
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toobass 5y ago
Writing in that "teenager angst" style serves a very important purpose for the reader, to begin to see the raw truth. Without filters or sugarcoating, it stop us or anybody from being offended like a little faggot and to see the message and not the medium.
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You can write in a serious tone without the teenage angst
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That teenage angst that you seen so quick to dispense with is the driving force of creation, rage, disillusionment, and organization, while it's faced with chaos, lies, isolation, loss, and all of Stacy's games. We would be robots without it.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
The negative tone is a defense mechanism to scare away people who care about things like sensitivity. We're the locker room of the internet. We're obnoxious. We like it that way.
Could we say the truths of the red pill more tactfully? Possibly, in the same way it's possible to play Grand Theft Auto without actually breaking any laws. But that's boring and takes the fun out of the game.
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Deadlybeef 5y ago
What make you think a teenager wrote it?
[deleted] 5y ago
Choice of specific words.. normal, well adjusted people don't speak like that
max_peenor 5y ago
More made up criterion of your invention.
[deleted] 5y ago
Yeah I bet the majority of people would agree with my criteria
Vikingcel 5y ago
Do you go to the gym?
LandoChronus 5y ago
That doesn't make it true.
Most men believe their girl would never ever cheat on them under any circumstance. But they would, if even under 1 circumstance.
A belief being widely held does not make it true.
[deleted] 5y ago
Where did you get the idea most men believe that? That's millions of men. Personal experience can't
max_peenor 5y ago
A majority of people would swallow the blue pill. That doesn't make them right.
We deal in ideas and reality, not a mindless mob mentality.
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Everyone uses the blue and red system in a different way so I can't know exactly what you're talking about or thinking
max_peenor 5y ago
WE deal in ideas and reality. I don't give a fuck that other people trade.
Deadlybeef 5y ago
Just quoting here, but it puts things into perspective:
So, you need to see thing from our side. We realized we're being taught bullshit, and lies. Some of us might express their anger more so than others. But all you do is generalize. You haven't read any of it, just because you thought that some 12 yo wrote those texts. That's called ignorance at best.
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I'm commenting on the style of writing via word choice which reveals something about the poster so take it or leave it
Deadlybeef 5y ago
So, do you think just because someone used words you don't like, makes the content any more untrue? You're funny :)
[deleted] 5y ago
No it just brings doubt to the accuracy of what is written because it makes the source look bad to most people per my experience
subnauticalife 5y ago
Just because somebody doesn’t want to type out a well formed and edited essay while shitting/ trying to share a thought with a likeminded community doesn’t mean they lack credibility. Do you message your friends online with perfect grammar? No. You don’t even take the time to edit your own posts REGARDING other people’s grammatical inconsistencies. Does that seem like a fair standard to hold others to if you don’t meet it yourself?
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Comments and sidebar material are not equivalent.. what a stupid comparison
SkookumTree 5y ago
I'll bite.
Why the fuck do y'all not have any ethical guidance whatsoever for your guys? There's a lot of pissed off and lost young guys that turn to TRP for guidance, and in many respects it's worse than useless. It teaches that sexual strategy is amoral and that being a sociopath is a good thing or at least attractive. Sexual strategy, like fighting strategy, is deeply moral; people have been studying the morality of both for thousands of years.
Besides, if you give these guys some ethical guidance, they're less likely to royally fuck things up by being nerds playing at being Tough Guys.
AutisticusMaximus 5y ago
Because sexual strategy is amoral. You learn that first from the women, after you pass a certain attractiveness threshold.
TRP has vastly improved my sex life (among other things!), but I have wilfully declined to have anything with married women or girls in relationships.
There is nothing stopping me taking a pizza slice from a skinny highschool kid on a park bench, I love pizza, and no gods are going to punish me for it. But I am not going to do it, because I do not want to hurt the kid.
BloodSurgery 5y ago
Some people act by morals, others don't. Here, things are said morals aside thought. "Just fuck this girl, who cares if shes married", for example. But TRP it's a toolbox.
If you want, do what you want with the info provided here. If it goes against your moral code, then don't. No one can't say "don't do X guys, it's a bad thing" because someone will day "to me it isn't that bad because of Y".
nodepostgres 5y ago
I don't think a strategy has any moral aspect. A strategy should define the best or most effective path to achieving a goal. It's up to me to apply my personal morals to these strategies, not for the strategies to define my morals.
krowitz 5y ago
We don't, because it is up to them to calibrate. It is common sense to not believe everything you read without testing it first. You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make it drink. And it goes both ways.
CainPrice 5y ago
The Red Pill is about how to get laid. How the sex and relationships game works, how women work, and what to watch out for from women. It's not about how to become some kind of upstanding, good man.
Being a good man is fine. Great, even. But being a good man is orthogonal to getting laid. Some good men get laid, many good men suck at getting laid. Some bad men get laid, some don't.
You can be a good man or a bad man. That's up to you. The Red Pill isn't here to tell you to be a good man. It's here to tell you how to get laid.
Bear-With-Bit 5y ago
Exactly. Even with fighting strategy like the original commentor mentioned, it's not about why you should fight or if it's moral, it's about how to fight and win.
"I want nasty! Show me nasty!" -Coach Pop
whatdidshewrite 5y ago
As you said, TRP is amoral. There is nothing that is taught simply because it is 'good'. Sociopathic traits are effective in today's society, which is why it is discussed so much.
Ethics/morals are individualistic. Just like I wouldn't require you to follow my moral guidelines (ie. veganism), TRP doesn't push an arbitrary set of morals on men.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
What's ethical to you might be unethical to me. That's subjective so it really doesn't have a place in an argument.
Amoral basically means not having the knowledge of knowing between right and wrong. And even that van be fairly subjective bar black and white law... And even then... Well you see where I'm going with that.
RP gives advice on how to be your best self. I'm not sure the sidebar says anything about becoming a sociopath.... BUT if you look at the way women are attracted to men I could see how you would come to that understanding.
Most narcissistic, machiavellian, and psychopathic personalities in themselves are a bad thing. But if used correctly in a sane man is extremely attractive to a woman.
max_peenor 5y ago
This is ultimately why we can't, even if we wanted to do it. The human species is global. Ethics are local. What I would suggest would probably be disastrous in other corners of the world. Whenever /u/GayLubeOil gets dragged into a moral spat, he gives a much better explanation of this than I can.
Whisper 5y ago
In this life, there are always people who want you to do things, and who want you not to do things. The difference between them is how they try to incentivize that. Arguments fall into one of several broad categories:
Moral arguments fall into the second pair of categories. They are essentially a shock collar that attempts to compel behaviour without giving value in exchange. They are, in fact, how the "seduction" subreddit was destroyed from the outside by people who cared nothing for its goals, thus inducing us to create TRP.
If you ask why I do not teach young men to treat others morally, I will ask you why their own culture has taken no pains at all to treat these young men morally. All of its plans for their behaviour run counter to their well-being. So I am teaching them to reject a moral system that places them outside not only its circle of protection, but its definition of acknowledged humanity.
They are, of course, free to use their developing wisdom and judgement to develop their own definitions of morality. But I am not going to allow more of the poison that brought them here in the first place.
redpill77 5y ago
Men are considered to be either subhuman or superhuman.
Whisper 5y ago
Or both.
FereallyRed 5y ago
There's nothing TRP that says be a sociopath or be amoral.
"Act like you're the most important person in your world" is where the sociopath comment comes from, and it's taught because you're here because you haven't been putting yourself first for a long time. Look out for number one is significantly different than...have zero empathy for anyone else.
"TRP is amoral" is not saying that you need to be amoral. It's saying we don't use morality or ethics to decide which tool is more ethical or moral, because that is an unwinnable circle of an argument. Of course you think your moral code is better, that's why you follow it. Of course I think my moral code is better. What's the best religion? Just clouds the waters.
From the forum rules on the sidebar....
No moralizing. Nothing in TRP prohibits you from having and following a code of ethics. You're welcome to discuss why certain morals or values might exist, or their benefit in the context of strategy, however arguments that stem from morality (i.e. this is evil, therefore) are strictly prohibited.
SkookumTree 5y ago
Yeah well there's a lot of DARK TRIAD ROCKS BROOOOOO bullshit in TRP.
FereallyRed 5y ago
I'm a high functioning wealthy happy dark triad person.
We often do very well for ourselves.
Take any set of characteristics out to absurdity and the result is a caricature.
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FereallyRed 5y ago
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
What our culture calls ethics has been used for a long time to control men's (and women's) behavior.
Men, being the expendable gender, are often shamed and ethically compelled to perform acts that are not in his own best interest for the good of others. (women, children, society).
So of course we're wary of somebody waving around a control stick like that.
SkookumTree 5y ago
And so now y'all have a bunch of maladjusted motherfuckers running around. For one, your PR is absolute dogshit and your ethics are nonexistent. No man is an island.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Who say's we're maladjusted? Because we don't follow the rules to benefit you and rather benefit ourselves? Who's at fault for that?
I think it works well to attract the people who need TRP.
htbf 5y ago
I'm not sure, there has been a lot of cringy newcomers and they take part in the discussion without internalizing anything. Imo new accounts should not be able to post top comments in asktrp.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
They aren't able to.
orthros 5y ago
Every religion in the history of the world?
You can ignore it and insist that TRPers by definition must emulate the Euphoric Atheist if you want.
But reality is that there are such things as absolute right and wrong. And many who know this will reject the TRP message because of this fallacy before even considering it.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
And abuse does not negate the proper use.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Major religions contradict each other. Which one is right?
orthros 5y ago
I'm willing to be corrected: Which major religion says that promiscuity by either gender is anything but condemnatory?
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
By that standard, the entire west is maladjusted, not just TRP.
If everybody is maladjusted at the same time, does that just make us all adjusted?
orthros 5y ago
The entire West is maladjusted. I didn't think this was in dispute. The only dispute is over 1) how and 2) why.
Despite the common aphorism, 50,000,000 Frenchmen really can be wrong. Because truth is truth even if the vast majority of people refuse to accept it.
Since you propose TRP as true even though the vast majority reject it, I believe we're aligned on that statement at least.
diffdedbed 5y ago
Ok since I'm a bit drunk and bored...
Lets hear some TRP feedback. I'm a swinger. This means other men fuck my wife while I fuck theirs. I've been doing this for ... er 15ish years.
90% of the women I've had sex with are 5-15 years younger than my wife. I'm the one that got her to do it.
I've had sex with playboy models, stippers, and many with PhD's, no fatties though.
So how beta am I? When is my wife going to branch swing? When is it all going to fall apart?
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FereallyRed 5y ago
You do you.
max_peenor 5y ago
Maybe dial in the troll a bit? It was working well. Don't blow a good thing.
diffdedbed 5y ago
100% true.
krowitz 5y ago
If it is how you described, why does it matter?
diffdedbed 5y ago
I'm curious as I'm often called a cuck while having a fantastic sex life by people claiming to be RP. I'm not really concerned.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Kids shit talk on the internet over anything
How novel.
krowitz 5y ago
I see. Well, I won't. We don't judge. Hell we don't even say it out loud we are RP. RP or not, there will be haters, so there's that.
KeffirLime 5y ago
There's a lot of factors at play here, but essentially, she has your providership while having unrestricted access to alpha seed, it's a great set up for her.
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Yeah, but it sounds like he’s implying she gets the raw end of the deal (heh).
Only thing I can offer is that commenter is a man at her ‘alpha ceiling,’ where his wife’s relative ambience of men tops out at damn near his own SMV. No obvious branch swing, provisioning met, and human lust for novelty slaked on all counts.
It’s a take on married redpill that most would balk at, but hey, let the Normcores weep and wail and self-flagellate.
diffdedbed 5y ago
Its a rare day that shes got the better deal.
I should add, what are their wives getting then? More alpha seed?
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
She wouldn't wanna fuck other men if she saw you as her alpha. If you get better women than her anytime, she would see you as her alpha. This is why your story doesn't add up.
trpcounsel 5y ago
Correct. His wife looks at the other women he's fucking as lower value than her, and the men she fucks as higher value than him. She gets to fuck up, while he fucks down.
Edit: How can this be tested? Go an extended period of time ONLY having sex with women hotter than your wife and watch her freak the fuck out.
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William_Howe 5y ago
Hello, TRP ECs et al. Why do so many of you find it so difficult to abide by PPD rules that you get permabanned? Seriously, do you know how hard you have to work to get permabanned?
I suspect it's at least partly due to difficulty with cognitively switching from TRP, where you guys obviously spend most of your time, to PPD, which is a very different place, but I am open to hearing other possibilities.
TheRedPike 5y ago
I'm pretty sure you all hate me. heh But I really was just trying to help.
Whisper 5y ago
I suspect it's mostly about not caring. TRP teaches how not to give fucks, and how a flippant answer is often better for the speaker in the long run than the most well-reasoned argument.
PPD is really nothing but a flea in the tail of the TRP bear. Nothing serious is happening there, so there's very little reason not to screw around.
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redpillcad 5y ago
I never post there. Waste of my time. I am willing to help but the guy has to want help and actually be open to it
321PK 5y ago
The lightbulb has to want to change....
William_Howe 5y ago
Thank you for providing this valuable perspective.
sublimemongrel 5y ago
I don't think that's what she is talking about.
WarViper1337 5y ago
No idea. I have only been to the PPD sub a handful of times and never posted there. My guess would be that there are a lot of young angsty men around here that are not afraid to start up an argument.
sublimemongrel 5y ago
A lot of new people come to PPD just like, itching to fight. At least that is what it appears to be when they start going all overly aggro from the get-go and super defensive for little reason, if any.
But some of the terper ECs/older members seem like they are trying to keep up some manospherian caricature type persona. Like they rarely if ever break from it. It's weird. Others come and try to AMOG a lot, which is really annoying and it's like at some point you have to realize that we are used to that shit so geez get a new schtick or something.
Exile_In_Redditville 5y ago
My favorite is that when they bring their pissy and snap for no reason it's always at a female poster. When you ignore it and carry on they try to go all "HYPOAGENCY BOYOS AWALT IN ACTION!!" When really it's just a giant skidmark of misdirected anger phase blathering.
Edit: mobile formatting weirdness
WarViper1337 5y ago
I mostly see that type of behavior you describe from the MGTOW community. Like I said though there are a lot of angsty teens around here that have no issues with being assholes on the internet because there are no repercussions for doing so. The mods here do not endorse harassing other sub reddits.
sublimemongrel 5y ago
I would not put what I am describing in the category of "harassing other subs" I do not at all think that occurs. PPD is open to all as long as they abide by the rules, obviously given our subreddit's topics, we rely on terpers participating. But I mean what I described is based off of 3 years of observation at this point, and when I'm talking about newcomers I do not mean just terpers either, that happens with a lot of newcomers regardless of how they identify.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Edit: I'm misremembering I think I'm thinking of a different sub. Don't listen to me.
William_Howe 5y ago
Yes, many many forms of taunting are perfectly legit on PPD as long as it doesn't devolve into incivility or personal attacks. On my main account, I am a snide and impatient piece of shit about 80% of the time, and in four years of participation, I have had one comment deletion and no tempbans.
(I am curious in general about people who get themselves banned from PPD but have never had the chance to ask any of them what the story was; now that you guys have made yourselves available, I'm taking advantage of the opportunity.)
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Proto_Sigma 5y ago
I fart in your general direction.
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RedForEducation 5y ago
first answer ive heard that makes sense
William_Howe 5y ago
It is remarkably easy to do.
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-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
When I was modded I was sooooooo disappointed to see I didn't have one single mod note.
I'm condescending as fuck, swear a lot, generally act like an ass half the time, can be snide and snarky... but, nothing.
My behaviour didn't even cause one single blip high enough to register as a mod note in 3 years of active participation.
Yet.... some guys come in and just can't keep to the rules enough to not get banned in their first 24-48 hours.
SteelSharpensSteel 5y ago
You think that's bad? Try MRP.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
max_peenor 5y ago
I'm not banned.
-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
No, you’re an extremely sensible RP poster who comes and contributes within our rules in good faith.
In a reply elsewhere I was actually going to use you as my example of “an EC who consistently posts high quality content to our sub and keeps our rules”.
In your case I wish you’d drop by more often, because we desperately need people who can present/defend RP concepts well in a smart way that makes RP attractive to our lurkers.
It’s hard holding up the temple all on my own, or with only the assistance of a few dumbfucks who are more trouble than their worth.
OK, perhaps that’s unfair. Perhaps we have 3-4 RP posters who can present it well to some level. But we need... and TRP would benefit from.... more guys like you strutting RPs stuff in front of the 2k-3k non-aligned lurkers most of our threads attract. It’d help raise the quality of TRPs intake.
max_peenor 5y ago
I used to post there a lot but an ex-mod decided I was her pet and went full bitch mode on me. Don't have time for that. I will admit I'm much more fond of the new crew, though bigDtard is tiresome in general. Perhaps I should visit more.
-TheGreasyPole- 5y ago
Please do. You’re very welcome.
We need people who can debate an RP position well within our rules.
From the viewpoint of the PPD mod team this event was agreed to in the hope we could attract people like you to come back and get a really high quality debate concerning RP going.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Doing a bang up job so far.
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321PK 5y ago
Lavender. Duh.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Tiger
BuzzLightGear321 5y ago
Was vanilla, haven't had ice cream in years since I started lifting.
clavabot 5y ago
Combine, Mint Choco Chip with Moose Tracks/Butterscotch, And Toss Peanuts, Hazelnuts, and Lightly sprinkle coffee grounds on top (Optional) serve with a wafer.
Bilskee1 5y ago
Mango... mango everything
meomeowmeoww 5y ago
Matcha!
Exile_In_Redditville 5y ago
Beta tears with a fudgy atm receipt ripple. Ehrm I mean mint chip.
CainPrice 5y ago
I don't like sweets. If they made steak ice cream, I might try it. Or I might just grill a steak.
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meomeowmeoww 5y ago
Make it yourself
max_peenor 5y ago
I don't like ice cream. Yes, I am that evil.
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PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
Chocolate fudge brownie...
Matches my skin in color and taste.... Well... So I've been told anyways.
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RedPillLawyerGuy 5y ago
Mint Chocolate Chip
clavabot 5y ago
I see you are a man of culture as well
teeekuuu 5y ago
Preach
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
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TheRedPike 5y ago
Permabanned
TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
Y’all better not sleep on my homie Mint Cookies & Cream
Used to be a fan of Pistachio until I watched a former plate puke some up after a rather rough Facefucking sesh
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TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
Italian Ice deserves its own thread
So many dope flavors
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Even more dope flavors of Italian women.Sidebar, their men are notoriously pushy and their economy is in the shitter, so having a few spare bucks and a few smooth lines will land you a glorious bonanza of olive-sheen vajeen.
kez88 5y ago
Does anyone else feel kinda lonely in a RP world? I look around me and just see everything as some sort of pre-conditioned game that we're all playing out where we all just seek validation from each other and nobody really connects or does anything meaningful. Then I feel like I can't talk to anyone about it because the notions and ideas in TRP are fairly unknown and people won't really understand. I can't/don't want to talk to any girls i'm seeing about it because any time you try confide in a women it just shows weakness, and my guy mates won't really get it either. I just feel stuck and like I can't connect with anyone really.
I know game, I'm fairly popular, i've fucked over a hundred women, I've been happy most of my life, but as I'm hitting 30 soon it just feels a little empty and hollow and I don't know how to find fulfillment and joy in a post-red pill world. Anyone else found something similar or how to help fix it?
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
What is the problem with Games? As Eric Berne puts it, "Games are substitutes for real living and real intimacy". They have “ulterior quality” and have profit as their goal. “Every game … is basically dishonest”.
There is only one answer to the lack of intimacy, and always have been: friends.
stoicbotanist 5y ago
Maybe you should consider being around a young relative who considers you a role model more often, or having children.
Children are more real and honest, and can create strong bonds
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
Seek to bring about fulfilment from within by setting meaningful goals and strive to make them manifest before your last breath. Learn to enjoy the journey to the utmost in a wholesome manner. The value you derive from life is what you place into it. Create one worth being happy about.
krowitz 5y ago
It is lonely as you try to shed the blue bits. Then you get used to it.
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JagsDontCare 5y ago
You’re just overlooking the fact that even waking up and being able to play the game is a blessing enough. Literally you’re alive in this strange matrix reality that no one can explain; that’s just amazing.
Whisper 5y ago
It's possible you want a girl you can actually love. Nothing in TRP advice precludes this. Read my articles on control game.
kez88 5y ago
Thanks i'll give it a look
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
I don't see it as empty and alone. I see it as cheat codes to an on-going massively multiplayer game.
I'm always excited to see what I can do next, and how the other players will react.
dingleburry_joe 5y ago
This is a better attitude towards it. Like your fucking Neo in the matrix. I enjoy the whole interpretation like "fulfillment comes from within" as if their fucking monks sitting on a rock. I enjoy zen views on life but rather act like a badass character in a movie.
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Yes, I'm beginning to feel that reality. at 27, soon to be 28. Mostly I think about how I'll be gone someday and so will everyone I see throughout my normal day. Things like leaving a legacy are meaningless, as everyone who remembers you when you are gone will be dead as well...there's no point in trying to be remembered as eventually every atom will break down into nothingness at the end of the universe anyway, so, life is pretty meaningless other than the meaning we choose to give it. I choose self-betterment. It certainly beats indulging in things like drinking to intoxication every night and jerking off and playing video games. Some might disagree. For me, the game sort of fills in the gaps between life and death. It makes reality easier to swallow too. If someone steals my cell phone, I wouldn't care as much anymore. People do things to further their own interests, whether it's stealing your shit, fucking your bitch, taking your credit, or just plain fucking you over...it doesn't really matter, it's just a game.
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A far as making it better? I don't think it gets better...I see people laughing at jokes, but part of me believes its some sort of insecurity about death. Life isn't really that funny. It's cognitive dissonance within jokes that usually makes us laugh. The more I understand reality, the less funny things get. And maybe I'll become funnier to people for speaking the truth, which most are unwilling to accept and instead they spin it into comedy. I suppose it's a way of unplugging people gently, through comedy.
Tl;dr: Live, Game, Die
LordTilde 5y ago
Nihilism will get you nowhere. Find some meaning.
321PK 5y ago
Alternatively, maybe you’re suffering from depression?
dingleburry_joe 5y ago
I'd recommend reading some zen/taoist books. Really will help with that meaningless stuff IMO
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
If a set of ideology cannot give you all the answers, it cannot be the truth alone.
You have found the red pill, but your'e not fully unplugged. TRP is only book one. It introduces you to the ugly truths of reality. It aims to make you strong and compromise those hostilities.
Now you need to find book 2, which introduces you to the beautiful truths of reality and more answers (which is not less difficult to swallow than TRP) and who knows where that will lead you... Fullfillment, is knowing that you're doing the thing you were born to do. You need to go after it at least as much as anything TRP offers.
i_have_a_semicolon 5y ago
Find a rpw maybe?
kez88 5y ago
I dont think the answer is trying to find a unicorn, awalt etc. It's more about the whole ideology and mentality behind trp, which I agree with, but not quite sure how to proceed
i_have_a_semicolon 5y ago
i mean, well. awalt is faulty. all women are not literally the same there is some variation obviously. TRP stipulates that getting close is opening yourself to getting fucked over because you cant control her actions, you can only control your actions. Being vulnerable is hard and means you can get hurt but theres also a pay off in the sense that this existential emptiness goes away.
zyqkvx 5y ago
Being vulnerable alone is not the silver bullet. Thinking so will give you moments in which you believe you finally got what you wanted. This feeling will pass soon when she says or does something to shatter the illusion. The truth is all interactions between human beings is the same as dog training. You just have to be the wiser, smarter, just-er dog trainer, and not be trained by stupid dog trainers. After that there's more room for vulnerability that isn't dysfunctional. There's usually room for some vulnerability.
i_have_a_semicolon 5y ago
I believe more people are capable of genuine non illusatory love, attraction, and commitment. The ability to be open with each other is very important to having a bond.
blackrzyz 5y ago
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with TRP's most uncontroversial advice: lift and get big.
That's not to say you shouldn't lift, but the emphasis definitely shouldn't be on size. I've seen many a girl fawn over the physique of a ripped and skinny guy, while completely ignoring the jacked guys with a little too much extra bodyfat. Having been in the latter category, I can say my results with women have improved a lot more after losing that chub than after packing on the muscle.
For those of you who would say lift for yourself, I agree, which is why I have been lifting for many years. But unless your goal is to compete in bodybuilding or powerlifting, I'd argue you're a lot better off aiming for athleticism and health than raw numbers. I'm due for a hernia operation not too long from now, which research shows is correlated with heavy lifting.
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KeffirLime 5y ago
Size is a minuscule aspect of gaming women, there's several other factors that need to align with it in order to be successful.
It's a great intitial indicator of strong masculinity to both women and other men. This can either be squandered or converted.
In my experience, most really big guys lIft out of some form of insecurity, which is not exactly the best approach to gaming women. Having said that, I've seen a lot of big guys with good looking women.
Crimson_Medicinal 5y ago
You're not disagreeing with anything, that's exactly what we say. Telling someone to "lift" doesn't mean you should get on PEDs and devote your life to lifting. It means look better. Become top 10%. That's it. We're not out here giving ourselves hernias.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
Nothing wrong devoting your life to lifting if you enjoy it. Makes all the fringe benefis that much easier to acquire.
321PK 5y ago
Ya imma say lifting is def one of the things they get totally right.
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max_peenor 5y ago
Most of us say it is a very bad idea in this day and age. However your own personal calculus of the situation may come to a different conclusion. Understand that if we were able to rewind to what Whisper calls Marriage 1.0, a very large percentage of our readership would get on board with that. Alas, you can't rewind.
Selfishaltruist181 5y ago
You kinda answer your own question there, yes if you can get a rich girl who has higher social status to marry you then go for it, but its abit of a fallacy. Why would a woman with higher social status who's rich want to marry you? Sleep with you sure, but why would she commit? TRP teaches about the hypergamy nature of woman, or to put it shortly, the reason why woman marry up and never down.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
Heard of Jeremy Meeks? When a woman is so high up and there is only so much option for richer guys, she may as well lure in someone she thinks is a peak alpha.
Would be interested in someone else’s opinion on this idea.
Selfishaltruist181 5y ago
Only problem with this is she got my dad when she was 18 not 40.
DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
My challenge is about TRP & nihilism. And I’ve read a ton of “enjoy the decline” type of posts/responses with plenty of rationale-backed arguments that leave me little room to respond or debate.
My request is to not expand on this connection, but if you could play devil’s advocate against the case for nihilism, I’d like to see that in response to this comment.
Thank you.
KeffirLime 5y ago
It seems every previous generation viewed the current crop as a "decline", using their standard operating practice as the peak of civilization, when in fact it's simply familiarity and incongruency with change.
There's evidence that we're not in decline, looking at infant mortality, life expectancy, violent deaths, war etc.
Media at our fingertips 24/7 does a great job of convincing people the worlds falling apart, amplifying our exposure to negative media.
Others say its neither a decline nor an incline but rather a natural process of evolution. It is what it is.
Neither in my opinion is "TRP", the more important part of the statement is meant to emphasize making the most of your situation regardless of the external climate.
mrmaldoror 5y ago
Read Nietzsche.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
I'll be honest with you, I'm a bit bothered by the macabre acceptance of so-called decline. If civilization is destined to fail, it (probably) isn't going to completely collapse during our lifetimes - there's probably enough momentum to last at least a generation. But when it does, oh boy is it going to suck. So, people joking about it are basically joking about the misery of innocent people not yet born.
But if you want to play devil's advocate, I would suggest reading Kurzweil (the singularity guy). He makes a good case that we'll be okay. You can also look up a lecture that Steven Pinker gives (there are several versions) about the decline of violence worldwide. This recent article is along the same lines, it makes the case that we've just had the best year ever.
DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
Thank you.
I saw Pinker speak about his recent book, Enlightenment Now the other weekend. And it was a great chat with a lot of empirical based evidence about how mankind has/is/will likely (although shouldn’t be taken for granted) is improving over time in just about every measurable metric across life (morality rates, education, wealth, etc.)
Never dove into Kurzweil, but I will add that to my reading list.
Philhelm 5y ago
I don't like "enjoy the decline" either. I'd rather the people who are ruining the nation/world to be dealt with like the rats that they are.
TheStoicCrane 5y ago
"Enjoy the decline" simply means "Enjoy (your life in spite of) the decline". People take these phrases too literally.
Joshua_Pectorals 5y ago
Enjoy the decline is a weak defeatist self help book for weak defeatist individuals. A lot has been written on European Nihilism in the west but the best way to put it is Nietzsche's quote, "God is dead." Without getting too complex, essentially what this means is a loss of meaning for life and any justification for living. Hence why we see Aaron Clarey advocates for suicide if things get too hard.
In the past there were traditional institutions for people to go to to realize their meaning, but these have since vanished, and were replaced by opiates (porn, TV, mcdonalds etc..) to numb and distract from the pain of modern existence.
So we're in a predicament here. Julius Evola endorses a position of "self-transcendence" and complete revolt against the modern bourgeois world (The source of nihilism). I'd start with his Ride The Tiger.
I'm currently working through it right now and it's a challenge. Definitely not for the modern man. But if you feel there is something deeply wrong with nihilism and the world today, you should give it a try. You might need some help getting through it, if only there was someone on this very forum that taught people these books hmmmm..
max_peenor 5y ago
What are you fighting and what are you trying to win?
Joshua_Pectorals 5y ago
Defeat the modern world (liberal society) or The Matrix (false reality), these are essentially the same thing. Both need to force you into a false reality in order to exist.
First defeating the culture distorter AKA America which destroys everything traditional for the sake of profit. The good news is that it's on its last limbs. After the collapse start building a traditional society.
max_peenor 5y ago
wot? So America gets a bad wrap for being puritanical, yet somehow it's leading the degeneracy? And just for money? This is a country that still outlaws prostitution in 49 of 50 states and severely limits it in that last one. This is the country that lost its mind when someone showed a millisecond of nipple at a televised football game. I think you haven't started your hunt in the right place.
Nevertheless, you still haven't told me what you are trying to win.
DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
Thank you.
I’m going to reread this response a few times, but lots I like.
Adding Julius Evola to my reading list!
Omnidempotent 5y ago
Legal issues aside (Duluth model, etc.), would it ever be ok to strike a woman? In what circumstances would it be advantageous to do so?
RedForEducation 5y ago
Well, everyone knows the concequences in hitting a woman, both legal, social, and physical.
Let me ask you this, at what point does solving a problem by violence outweigh the concequences?
Having said that, there's multiple failures that have to happen before a guy has to even address your question.
I try to focus there, so it never comes up
party_dragon 5y ago
same circumstances as striking a man.
and sex (consensual BDSM) of course
CainPrice 5y ago
Self defense and defense of others. The same defenses that apply in a legal setting.
If a woman is coming at you with a knife? Kick her ass until she's not a threat any more.
If a woman is beating the shit out of your child? Kick her ass until she's a puddle and plead temporary insanity.
If you're having sex with a woman and she screams at you to go harder, hit the shit out of her pelvis with your pelvis until she tells you to stop.
If a woman is saying mean stuff and you're angry and hurt and rejected, don't hit her.
nodepostgres 5y ago
Yes. The only two acceptable situations that come to mind are self-defense and between two consenting parties.
I've had a few partners that liked to be slapped in the face in the bedroom. 100% consensual, they requested it, and they loved it.
WarViper1337 5y ago
I would only strike someone if my life or the life of someone I really care for depended on it. Otherwise my policy is to just walk away and be done with the whole situation.
tnegaeR 5y ago
Women are not fragile, glass-made creatures. If my life is threatened or I need to act at all in self defense, I’d do so without a second thought.
Striking a woman out of anger or rage is never acceptable, however. All that proves is the weakness of the man who hit her.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
Some girls want some really rough sex man you'd be surprised!
That said I'd never partake... A phone call is easier to make when it's only 3 numbers and AWALT.
Out of protection just don't.
TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
What’s your go-to music genre for flexing on uncultured swine?
eccentricrealist 5y ago
Death metal. I'm listening to early Sepultura a lot these days.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
Rap is often the most explicitly RP, but I like good music in virtually every genre (except country.... shudder).
Score Music, Classical, Classic Rock, Jazz, Blues, R and B, even some of the better Pop (Michael Jackson).
redf5 5y ago
Some EDM: Deadmau5 & Getter confuses them.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Culture club
Ceeda 5y ago
Electronic/Dubstep all the way.
TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
I’m a big fan of Madeon’s fuego music. If you haven’t listened to him, then you’re missing out big time Pleighboy
RaYnDaWg1123 5y ago
Rap. But not the 21 Savage, Lil Peep, Lil Yachty, Post Malone crap that most people are used to hearing. I’m referring to artists like Maxo Kream, Rittz, J.I.D., Hopsin, Tech N9ne, Wale, Kendrick, J. Cole, Locksmith, R.A. the Rugged Man, OverDoz., Run the Jewels, Logic (excluding the 1-800 song, that is total trash), Action Bronson, Vic Mensa, and tons more. Things you wouldn’t ever hear at a party but are actually quality records. Old hip-hop has its place in my playlist too, like Em, 2Pac, Bone-Thugs-n-Harmony, NWA, Dr. Dre, etc. It can take a while to find any sort of quality rap amongst the sea of garbage, but it is out there.
chadwickofwv 5y ago
Those are the ones I hear the most at parties. I do have some unusual friends though.
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Shady-mofo 5y ago
Yeah he comes off as an elitist who just got into rap with the most typical ‘look at my good taste in hiphop’ list of all time.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
Yung Gravy is simplistic but lines up to some extent with TRP and is rather catchy.
Example
RaYnDaWg1123 5y ago
Ever heard Hopsin? Lots of people claim he’s corny as fuck, and he can be, but he spits tons of knowledge related to TRP. Not something you’d wanna necessarily play when you’re with your buddies, or chicks, but it’s very insightful. Check out Ill Mind of Hopsin 5 and Nocturnal Rainbows by him.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
I like some of Hopsin. I really like Nocturnal Rainbows. Ill Mind of Hopsin is technically impressive but a lot of his music tends to be really preachy, often more than I'm in the mood for, even if I tend to agree with him.
I'm more of a singles than an album guy for the most part, which is often a problem, but I'd be open to hear more of his tracks if you have recommendations.
RaYnDaWg1123 5y ago
Hm.
I’d recommend some album tracks first and foremost because he has a lot of good content on them, if you’re a singles guy you might not want to check them out, but they are:
Sag My Pants
Rip Your Heart Out feat. Tech N9ne
Ill Mind of Hopsin 7
Nollie Tre Flip
I Am Raw feat. Swiz Zz
He does have good singles though. I’d recommend:
You Should’ve Known w/Dax
Low-Key
False Advertisement
FereallyRed 5y ago
Mongolian throat singing of course.
max_peenor 5y ago
That stuff makes me want to kill things. It sort of makes sense when you consider history.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
This is fantastic
TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
My test levels just rose by 300 points
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VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Those dudes are the Central Asian version of the Dropkick Murphies. Or Flogging Molly. One of them.
FereallyRed 5y ago
I like. Makes me wanna wrassle.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Check out The Hu.
FereallyRed 5y ago
9 million views and english subtitles, even.
Vikingcel 5y ago
If you like The Hu, you might enjoy Heilung as well. My personal favorite.
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As someone whose go-to culture flex is that I was training to be an Opera singer before I deviated to my chosen field, part of me greatly hopes that you can actually Mongolian throat-sing.
Probably just trolling, though.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Jazz, man.
60's ad 70's funky jazz
Brubek,(Take Five and listen), Davis, Parker, Coltraine, Baker.... mellow but you can both feed and fuck with them in the background.
Then I bust out the throat singing during the bridge. Or orgasm, whichever comes (pun intended) first.
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Love it. Once I get my tuvan throat singing together I'll hav to give it a try. By the way, you might appreciate "Money Jungle." I's a trio record that almost didn't get made, because each of the musicians was a band-leader/composer and they fought constantly while making it. On drums, Max Roach. On piano, Duke Ellington. On bass, Charles Mingus.Literally a 'who-the-fuck put these guys in the same room' record. Their of Caravan is one of my favorites ever.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Thanks for the recommendation.
It's on the youtube!
Listening now..
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izzyinjurious 5y ago
Girls will go wild no matter what. It's you having to make them feel comfortable in order to get that wild to come out. You have to make them feel judge free and able to be themselves around you. They have to be able to have fun and let their slutty side out without getting judged by you and hidden from society. I know because it's something I'm working on, kinda. Now, in private with practice you can get them to sleep with you and hopefully become nasty for you. Good luck Brodie. You'll figure it out if you really want it.
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
I used to live in a very conservative country and I observed the same behaviour in women. Even the finest modest women can act very inappropriate and be naughty depending on the circumstances.
6RedPandas 5y ago
any advice for that? to make them more comfortable/kinky
Shady-mofo 5y ago
Lol you have a lot to learn.
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
*about fucking.
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PsychedelicDentist 5y ago
Let's discuss the ethics/morality of cheating
Have you any issue at all with sleeping with a women who is in a relationship if you are single? (Is it different is she is pursuing you or if you are pursuing her?)
Are you willing to cheat if you are in a relationship?
Are married women off limits at all?
Whisper 5y ago
Marriage is a contract between two people. I am not either of those people.
FieldLine 5y ago
Any "relationship" I have ever been in was with the understanding, sometimes explicit, that I could sleep with whoever else I want. You have bigger problems than your relationship if you have to "cheat" behind your woman's back.
CainPrice 5y ago
Regarding women cheating, if a woman wants to cheat on her man with you, that's her business. She's the one who made promises to someone else, and she's the one breaking her promises to that someone else. You didn't make any promises to her significant other.
It's not your job to enforce her promises for her.
Regarding men cheating, if you promised somebody you were exclusive, then you cheat on her, that's not very moral. But you don't have to be a morally upstanding man to get laid. Lots of good people suck at getting laid, and lots of bad people get laid. In general, it's good to keep your word, whether you tell your boss you'll do something, tell your mother you'll do something, or tell your girlfriend you'll do something. Guys who say they'll do something then don't do it tend to suck. But it's not my job to keep other guys from cheating. It's not my job to enforce their promises for them.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
This is completely subjective.... It really depends on you. Thing is you stick to YOUR guns and not what everyone expects.
As long as you're honest stick with your agenda.
Me?
I have no issue with sleeping with a taken woman. My reasoning is if the bf/hubby had his shot together she wouldn't be pursuing me to begin with. In fact now that I think on it there hasn't been a single woman that was taken, and I slept with, that I ever pursued. It just doesn't happen that way especially when she sees you as valuable and/or she's a woman of "loose morals".
Would I ever cheat? I have before in LTRs... I won't now. But I also won't commit so there's that. In order for me to commit you'd have to really be something.
PosnerRocks 5y ago
There is a split in mentality that I have noticed here. Some people want to hold themselves to a higher standard of morality and respecting this institution. Being the change they want to see in the world.
Others believe that it isn't their business if a woman wants to cheat. If she was willing to sleep with you then she'll probably eventually find someone else to sleep with at some point. So enjoy the fling while it is there. She is an adult and has the agency to make her own decisions, even if poor ones.
Personally, it hasn't stopped me but I don't like to continue an affair. The drama and potential fallout just isn't worth my time. I don't need some angry husband showing up at my house because his wife was unfaithful.
As for cheating, I think the most important thing a man has is his word. If you are willing to enter a LTR and be exclusive, don't cheat. Pretty simple. If you aren't getting what you want from the relationship, man up and fix it or end it.
nodepostgres 5y ago
I don't have any issues sleeping with a women who is in a relationship. I'm not breaking any commitments I've made.
I have not and will not cheat on someone I've committed to being exclusive with. If there is a problem I will address it. If the issue can't be resolved then I'll end the relationship. Simple.
tnegaeR 5y ago
We share the same principles.
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DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
Holy shit, what a great fucking comment.
RedForEducation 5y ago
PPD usually goes full aspie with the marriage contract, and starts talking legal process.
Can't tell if on purpose or not
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I honestly believe that any man unwilling to do this subconsciously thinks "but what if she tattles and I have to fight her man?"
Lift regularly, train seriously, fuck wantonly.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
Men have killed men with whom their woman cheated. Idk not really worth the risk to get butchered by some chump over poon.
Personally I can't even understand why a dude would be angry with the dude his chick cheated on. Literally makes 0 sense to me, imo all he did was do you a favor. But apparently many are.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Nowadays, men apologize to the guy...
Men today are terrified of conflict
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the_strat 5y ago
"Crazy and abusive" because she says so?
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the_strat 5y ago
This sounds exactly like how my ex would frame her side. But my ex is completely full of shit. She would say and do some truly fucked up things and then try to initiate a conversation and provoke me. Then she would beat the kids. And I bank rolled her private cash under the table businesses while she took the victim complex of both the entrepreneur and the SAHM when she insisted on both pursuing her dream career and being a SAHM. I caught her using blow, she blames me for not being there when it was offered to her on a GNO. She then convinced me to go to a neurologist because she was gaslighting me and I ended up spending an afternoon in a mental hospital after finding out that I was only her first husband. She exchanged vows with someone else (what did he care, it didn't mean shit to hi, it wasn't legal) after she had slept with 65 other people. That's what I get for marrying a sociopath. I ended up here on TRP as I was discovering the depth of her deceptions.
Just saying, maybe you don't know the truth and perhaps shouldnt celebrate someone else's misery so gleefully.
-world's biggest cuck.
Vellore992 5y ago
What's with RPW and why does it exist?
Do you think that men can give relationship advice to women while keeping the female sexual strategy front and centre? ie should the fish be teaching the fisherlady how to fish?
Whisper 5y ago
There's a interesting problem with getting RP advice, from a woman's perspective. And that problem is: who exactly can be regarded as an expert?
For men trying to seduce women, this is easy. An expert, to whom you should listen, is a man who has seduced many, many women. He has a track record of success. He knows how to do. So long as he also knows how to teach, you're good to go.
But female mating success is creating a good, lasting relationship.
So who's the expert?
A man who has seduced many women? He might know a lot, but he's a fish in this context.
A woman who has been in one very successful relationship for all of her adult life? Well, she succeeded, but she has only one data point.
A woman who has been in lots of relationships? She's a failure.
The best answer, although it's still not as good, is "multiple examples of all of the above". The men are a source of understanding of sexual dynamics. The successful women are a source for examples of what has worked. The women who failed are a source of examples of what not to do.
There is no one "expert" for women, unless it is someone who has listened to a great many of all of the above, and aggregated some good advice.
Kurush559 5y ago
Its mostly women giving advice to other women
RedForEducation 5y ago
Not my cup of tea.
But I kind of get it. Women used to run it then had a temper tantrum and trashed it.
I remember the OG reason was for women who had an overly alpha test man with strategies to keep him committed. No idea how close it hits
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
This should be fun. Following.
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Littleknownfacts 5y ago
No, I pretty much left during the Great Divorce. I'm more curious to see the guys on trp answer this question.
redblueninja 5y ago
Why is trp open to people? If you have knowledge of something the general people either don't know about or don't believe it to the point of shunning trpers, then why does trp try to help other blue-pilled guys.
Wouldn't it be beneficial to individual redpillers to just keep this knowledge among themselves, have a competitive advantage in the SMP and truly enjoy the decline?
CainPrice 5y ago
I don't try to help "guys" in general. Most guys are idiots.
I try to help you. Or him. Or that other specific guy over there.
If just one man reads something I typed today and starts lifting weights and talking to girls in line at Starbucks, I did more good today with that 15 minutes during my lunch break than I did during the entire workday at my day job.
Bear-With-Bit 5y ago
Whenever I see u/CainPrice, I fkn read and pay attention. I was that skinnyfat bloopie who started lifting heavy because of words written by good men like him.
redblueninja 5y ago
That's a respectable motivation.
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bowhunter6 5y ago
Why are you so worried about what others think of you?
He who dares, wins.
CainPrice 5y ago
You do know that when 99.9 percent of normal, average guys talk to 99.9 percent of normal, average girls in line at Starbucks, nobody makes a scene, right?
This idea that if you dare talk to a girl in public when you're not hot, she'll start shouting you down and shaming you, and the entire room will go silent, then join in crucifying you for daring to talk to a girl while not hot and accusing you of being a rapist - that doesn't actually happen. That's just internet manosphere fearmongering.
If you talk to a girl and she's not interested, she just won't look up from her cell phone and will tell you to buzz off. Nobody will even notice.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
As others said (Iron sharpens Iron). None of us is as smart as all of us.
We can compare notes and improve on our strategies. Can't do that if we don't have at least some amount of openness.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
I have a teacher who teaches one semester every year for about 50 hours in total. He is paid maybe 200$/hr. He probably makes 1000s$/hr working for his own investment firm. Why does he do it?
ABUNDANCE he doesn't give a fuck about a few more or a few less dollars. Money doesn't mean that much when you have plenty. Same applies to women. When you have more poon on your hands than you can handle it doesn't hurt to give some good advice away for free, even if it might cost you some pussy in the future somehow.
He enjoys teaching. He actually wants to start teaching more.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
When I was younger, before there was a TRP, fuck before there was an internet (in the way that it exists today) older men helped me. I'm simply paying it forward.
Beyond that, with BILLIONS of women in the world, supply will never run out for high-value men.
Incidentally, my inbox overflows with "Thank you for your post on 'X'" and "Thank you for answering my question on askTRP, it really made a difference in my life."
To me, that's much more satisfying than trying to screw someone over.
Isbjornsolo 5y ago
Iron sharpens Iron, we can learn from each other with what works with women. Avoid pitfalls etc. If i can learn from 10 other guys within a month what would take me a year or 2 on my own. Why wouldn't i? In addition humans are social animals who like to share & cooperate if their is a shared benefit.
The aim is to help men get laid & improve themselves. Your odds of being in direct competition with someone also on TRP is quite low also.
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redblueninja 5y ago
You made some great points.
If you've been here for more than 1-2 years, I doubt you can learn anything from the majority of posts here.
What are the benefits of sharing and cooperating with newbies and bluepillers for you?
Let me give you an example: Americans have a shared benefit of sharing and cooperating in their country. But there is a barrier to entry in the country and rightfully so. The barrier to entry to trp is an internet connection and being an incel, heartbroken or both.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
Established people also get the payment of stroking their ego. This is a topic they're interested in and they take pride in being good at it. They take more pride in being praised and respected by a community, a pleasure that is somewhat rare in a world of more fractured communities yet a deep human need. There is an altruistic impulse as well where it can be pleasurable to help others if it is of your own volition.
Isbjornsolo 5y ago
Your right. Once you’ve got the basics. Most of the posts are newbies spouting the same stuff. However the ECs distribute some funny articles with nuggets of gold.
Personally I help because I know what it’s like to be on a long cold streak and if any advice I can give can break it. Then it’s no skin off my back.
The mutual benefit if more of a passing down the chain. The more established members help raise others up and so on.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Some people climb the ladder of life and help those who follow. I consider myself somewhat of a Red Pill Bodhisattva, in that my own enlightenment feels incomplete and inadequate if I cannot bring others to it.
Others climb the ladder of life and pull it up behind themselves and gladly stomp on the heads of those who aspire to the same path. I can't relate to this type of hypercompetitiveness but it exists on a spectrum and correlates strongly to "masculine" identities for different underlying reasons.
FereallyRed 5y ago
You need to continually harvest food for the village or the village dies.
A fresh influx of new ideas and new blood is necessary as there is a leveling off of the knowledge base here, and attrition as those who have achieved what they needed here leave.
You have to thresh and winnow, though, to remove the chaff from the wheat. That means you beat and throw the grains into the air so the useless bits blow away. That's why TRP is not a "safe space". If you're offended by direct talk, then you're probably chaff and useless to the community. Blow away, we're only interested in the solid useful chunks.
Plus, there is a community aspect to this, as much as we say,"do things for yourself, do the things you want to do", well, that doesn't preclude helping others if that's what you want to do.
That said, the chaff here is almost Pareto principle level (80:20) rule, and that's where a lot of the statements that TRP is full of angry misogynist losers comes from. They haven't learned, never will.
We're such a small percentage of the population that redpill to redpill competition is unlikely, and if I did meet a redpill guy in the wild, he's be a kindred soul. No need to hoard knowledge.
SynergisticSuccess 5y ago
For me, it’s about becoming a better man above anything else.
Ever since following TRP years ago, my life went from a depressing pile of shit, to a glorious example for other men that I surround myself with.
Sharing red pill wisdom/truths/etc won’t work on everyone; and that’s fine. But the few that picked up some of the info have also seen improvements in their every day life.
Also, abundance mindset; Stop being concerned that there won’t be enough pussy/money/etc out there for you.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Most redpies are not insecure and/or dark triad.
EkMard 5y ago
So most have some idealism.
EkMard 5y ago
It is better if more Caucasoid (Europoid race) people in places where Caucasoids are a large group, and especially places such as the West where Caucasoids are native, become red-pilled. They need it, and deserve it. Of course, the "deserve" part is idealistic, and separate from a red-pilled persective. But when the opposite is pushed on them, I want them to rise up, even if those who succeed with such information are a minority. Actually, it is better that way. Only good genes deserve to mate.
redpillcad 5y ago
Plenty to go around. TRP operates out of sense of abundance
KeffirLime 5y ago
We do not "fear" the SMP as it is, if we do not qualify we know why and improve or make peace with it.
TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
As you traverse this microcosm of humankind’s total existence you tend to run into a bunch of dumbasses
The douche in the red Porsche with a Napoleon complex who neglected to replace his blinker fluid
The boss who sits on his ass & leads from the back
College losers who get fatter while smoking pot all day
And more
It’s very seldom you meet someone else who is driven, self-motivated, & wants to make smart changes for intrinsic reasons
It’s ever rarer when there’s a whole group on them sharing notes in one place
When you meet those people you help lift each other up.
As the old cliché goes, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink”
Not everyone is worth helping, & they have to be willing to help themselves
This is a community full of people who have been lead to the water, drank it, & are finding others who want to drink water too.
It’s really that simple.
krowitz 5y ago
Knowledge is shared here with the knowledge that many would not accept it as it is. It may be open to people, but not everyone would believe in it.
The competitive advantage is not needed, plenty of fish in the sea. If the fish do run out, I'm sure it is my fault.
Mojiitoo 5y ago
Well, its about where you come from too. If I never stumbled on the red pill, Id probably be very miserable atm. Im glad I found the missing puzzle piece in my life.
All it took was realising I am responsible for my actions. A purpose. Getting fit. A job. Finished my bachelors.
I love to help my friends with lowkey trp truths and I am open to help anyone who needs support so that they can get their life back on track.
Whisper 5y ago
That's scarcity mentality, son. Plenty of chicks to go around.
max_peenor 5y ago
When you see an obese person stuffing their face, do you believe they think it is a good idea? That they don't know they are harming their health?
redblueninja 5y ago
I fail to see how that relates to my question.
max_peenor 5y ago
Because knowledge isn't the problem. People know better. Most of what we say we can stealth even bloops into agreeing with as long as we stroke their egos and fragile sensibilities enough. The problem is when we don't reject the donut, even if we know the donut is fake.
redblueninja 5y ago
That clears it up. Thanks
Dr-Berg 5y ago
To /u/redpillschool and Trp Vanguards
Have you read OSHO? if yes then What did you think about him?
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
A cult leader that used platitudes, simple tactics and manipulation to bulid himself an empire and have naive people worship him. Not the first or the last.
321PK 5y ago
Osho?? That’s was Ma Annan Sheela’s show.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
What the fuck is an OSHO?
blackedoutfast 5y ago
lol he was the leader of that crazy cult in Oregon in the early '80s. there's a great netflix miniseries about them called "wild wild country" highly recommended.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Not surprised. Many NEET's love to reference something they just watched on NETFLICKS and how it shows the current woes to society.
did you know FRIENDS was homophobic?
Dr-Berg 5y ago
Listen to Osho’s talks at the Press Conferences given in Rajneeshpuram on youtube highly recommended.
Dr-Berg 5y ago
He was a philosopher. I found some of Trp senior member's ideas, thinking similar to him. It looks like they have read him.
grundlecrunch 5y ago
any specific examples?
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Dr-Berg 5y ago
I don't have any specific examples but if you pay attention you will see the similarities with his talks. I'm not a follower of Osho but I've seen many(especially self-help gurus even Eckhart Tolle )use his philosophies but claim their own.
grundlecrunch 5y ago
Interesting I’ll have to check some out. I wonder if those other top guys just came to the same logical conclusions that are universal when given the same knowledge and the intelligence to be able to work it out.
redblueninja 5y ago
Whisper recently commented:
Everyone seems to have different definitions for what game actually is. What practical advice do you have to get good at game if someone talks to hot chicks as if they are his boss's wife.
Whisper 5y ago
TRP in its entirety is here to answer that question. I cannot meaningfully distill it for you. You're going to have to read, test, and sort like everyone else (because that is a necessary part of the process).
Abandon your desire for a step by step guide, and take responsibility for yourself.
NextBad 5y ago
A lot of good looking guys can't get women, well looks are important it doesn't excuse being boring, bad in bed, no social skills. Game is romantic social skills , You don't need a six pack to get women, but six pack and game help a lot
Shady-mofo 5y ago
IMO if you’re following basic trp advice i.e lifting, eating right, abstaining porn, working on passion/hobbies you naturally exude the aura of not giving a fuck and being outcome independent, which women can sense.
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Shady-mofo 5y ago
It’s not no fap as much as it’s about not being a slave to instant gratification. Porn can be addictive and I personally find it unhealthy to indulge in, however I don’t mind it once in a week
CainPrice 5y ago
I tell guys to get their asses off of the internet and talk to women. If you read too much crap on the internet about how to talk to women, it makes you stupid as you try to over-analyze and stress out over everything.
Just talk to 10,000 women. The first 9,999 times, it's going to be embarrassing and stupid and go very badly.
That's the hard work. There aren't any short cuts or cheat codes. There aren't any tricks. Once you learn the 15-minute basics of game, nothing you can read on the internet is going to teach you any special tricks that will get you out of doing this work. You have to talk to 9,999 women and embarrass yourself and endure the shame and learn from it.
NextBad 5y ago
Once I learned game I slept with the first women I went on a date with. The key component was I had to kiss her without asking. And man did she have IOU's, she basically begged me with her looks. No one is looking for a short cut, That's like saying math cheet sheets are short cuts, they are helpful tools. You don't need 10,000 failures
CainPrice 5y ago
We're all starting in different places. I got out of a really bad relationship, started online dating, and was getting laid on first dates. But I also had girlfriends most of my life - not casual sex, not plates - girlfriends. And not great relationships. But still girlfriends. I at least started out knowing how to talk to women. You'd be surprised how many guys don't know how to talk to a woman in a way that makes her want to go on a date with them.
ProFriendZoner 5y ago
Any progress on the quarantine? I think it's funny that on the side of the page it says "This community is quarantined: It is dedicated to shocking or highly offensive content."
Seriously?
It's shocking to tell a guy to lift, get his shit together (and how to do it), and how to be a man that women want to be around?
Highly offensive content?
Some woman can show her coochie or even a video or a woman having sex and all of the comments from thirsty beta's are NOT highly offensive?
I'm missing something here I just know it.
So, is anything going on or is there anything we can do to end it?
Oh, and what's PPD?
RedForEducation 5y ago
Radio silence.
I wager that will he until their new VC goes through, surely the Chinese investor loves free soeech
WarViper1337 5y ago
I would imagine TRP will remain forever quarantined unless there is a drastic change in leadership over at reddit HQ. We haven't broken any rules and this sub reddit is very heavily policed by our mods for content. However we go against the feminist imperative and Reddit is not a very profitable company. They need outside investors and they only way to get them to sign on is appear as feminist friendly as possible.
beachredwhine 5y ago
u / PurplePillDebate used to be a sub to debate between the blue pill and the red pill but now it's got a ton of whiny incels who migrated over after their sub got trashed for constant threats of rape and violence. There are a lot of rules that were put in place to shut them up, but much like that annoying little brother that won't leave you alone they won't go away.
Their theory is that only people born with the ability to get a girlfriend (normies) can ever get one and that no matter how much self improvement they do and how many girls they ask out they will never be able to get a girlfriend.
Both red and blue pills are united in despising these guys. So now the sub is a combination of false debate posts that are really just thinly veiled insults towards other members or so called "black pillers" (incel losers) claiming constantly that 80% of men are like them so it's all hopeless. Don't encourage them to commit suicide though that's against reddit sitewide rules.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
/r/purplepilldebate
beachredwhine 5y ago
Thanks I'm not good at reddit
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
????
randomTATRP 5y ago
why isn't this comment deleted?
Whisper 5y ago
In this thread, we are taking steps to ensure that automod doesn't get overzealous.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Why would it be?
RedForEducation 5y ago
We go above and beyond to enforce reddit TOS. This includes any perception of brigading. So we ban all references to other threads directly.
Use archive.is or screenshots.
And yes, it's not granular, so it blocks everything from the domain
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Oh okay but a link to the sub is okay?
RedForEducation 5y ago
Anything that links to anything Reddit wide is a no. If it's something more than a one word quip, mods can override it, but we have a policy of not making exceptions.
I personally don't trust our userbase enough to do so.
ThatOneDrunkUncle 5y ago
Why is TRP not an ideology? It seems to me TRP was meant to fight dominant ideologies, but in that sense, has become an ideology in itself by fighting ideology in ideological terms.
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It is a rational response to other bullshit ideologies, like feminism and egalitarianism, but it has become a set of normative beliefs within this forum.
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I hear time and again that TRP is a praxeology (despite being admittedly "unscientific"), or a toolbox, but now Rollo (among others) seems to have taken an individualistic standpoint himself in his latest post. If "x" is alpha and "y" is beta, how is that not a limiting belief?
Whisper 5y ago
In order to understand why TRP is full of imperatives, but not a movement, you need to understand [the difference between a hypothetical and a categorical imperative] (https://www.coursehero.com/file/p656jqq/19-What-is-the-difference-between-a-hypothetical-and-a-categorical-imperative/).
Feminism alleges categorical imperatives.
TRP alleges hypothetical imperatives.
Kurush559 5y ago
Read gaylubeoil's post about total rejection
RedForEducation 5y ago
Ideology is a worldview, or what we should want. It contains values
TRP is a Praxeology. You bring your own values and use the tools to get what you want
max_peenor 5y ago
Thought exercise here: what do you think we are telling you to do?
KeffirLime 5y ago
Call it what you want, it comes down to the individual and not the group.
There's no pre conceived end goal, no prescribed dogma, simply information that can be used or discarded as each individual sees fit.
There's no penalty for not complying there's no exclusion. No one is bound to it.
It does not want anything from you, it does not require you, the information will exist in some form or another without the group.
Essentially it's observations and not prescriptions. "We see that this works, try it" instead of "you need to do this and in sure it will work"
MrMidazolam 5y ago
This isn't meant to be aggressive, I'm genuinely curious. "Lift" is one of the most frequently used phrases in regards to self improvement.
How well do you follow your own advice? TRPers and ECs what are your ohp/bench/squat/deadlift #s?
Also TV and videogames are often named as vices to avoid. How do you spend your time? What are your hobbies or ones you'd recommend?
Kurush559 5y ago
Ive been lifting for about 18 months, Im still too young to be fully grown and at full strength capacity, so Im looking forward to my body's final stage of development
Deadlift 360 but havent tried a 1rm in some months, so it may be more like 340
OHP something like 160-170
Bench Press 200, this is my weak lift because of a shoulder and pec injury I sustained last year
I exclusively front squat and recently managed 205, really need to work on this one because its lagging behind DL
Quit videogames when I was 17, very glad about it and never going back. I watch TV/movies with plates sometimes before/after sex, but dont generally do so on my own. My free 'alone' time (excludimg social occasions and having plates round) is a mix of reading, practicing my instruments, writing (for example for reddit or song lyrics), learning a language, pretty normal productive but relaxing activities
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Took me 3-4 months lurking to get off my ass and start lifting. Stopped for a wrist injury for a few months, other than that I’m also 2yrs into lifting. Just got home from deads day. Wednesday is by far the best day of the week.
Lifting did change my life for all the reasons that we sell here. Confidence in myself and a sexy appearance. Camaraderie in the gym with the regulars. Hitting 2 plates on my deadlift was a moment I was incredibly proud of.
5RM
Hobbies are writing and side gigs in my off time from corpland. I smoke tall weed so that’s a hobby I guess. I use it as a reward: if I get these things done I can burn a bowl etc. I’d certainly offer the advice that weed is bad and to put it down without feeling like much of a hypocrite.
BuzzLightGear321 5y ago
I play maybe 3 hours of video games/week on average. I limit it to after important things like lifting are done.
I'm currently on a 5x5 program, with focus on slowing down the eccentric portion of each lift (Read: Lower #'s than normal lifting). All numbers are current working weight, not 1RM.
OHP: 95 lbs (fuck I hate OHP)
Squat: 145 lbs
Bench: 165 lbs
Deadlift: 255 lbs
Row: 165 lbs
I throw in 5 accessory lifts split between A/B workouts. And workout about 4-5/week. I'm still weak, but in the past 9 months, I put on 18 lbs with similar level of Body Fat %.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
Lifted since 16. Benched 200 at 18. Nowadays I don't bother with ORM. Too many fucking injuries from heavy lifting. I'll be a cripple by the time I'm 60 if I care about the #s. I don't do anything for less than 10 reps. Usually around 20. Still going to the gym 3-4 times a week.
Furthermore, I study, play chess, ride my motorcycle, read books and fuck bitches.
htbf 5y ago
The people who do lift had no issues answering but it's true that there a lot of braindead incel don't don't do any effort and just like being part of an "edgy" movement that is anti feminist.
max_peenor 5y ago
I have lifted since I was 13, as my brother was a very serious body builder and brought me into it. I was never remotely that ripped, as I valued functional strength and endurance over visual physique. (I did a lot of rough sports and then eventually military). I'm not as cut as I was at 30 but I'm far stronger than the vast majority of peers. I still lift frequently, but I've wrecked a number of my joints tot he point it limits me, so it's just to keep what strength I have. And at my age I realize it is a battle I will slowly lose.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
No clue what my maxes are, but I exercise my core 3-4x week, and I also do extensive walking/hiking for general fitness, and I swim and play beach volleyball in the summer. For me it's more about general fitness and feeling good and not about getting big, although I am naturally able to gain muscle easily.
I spend zero hours a week on video games. The problem with video games is not that they exist, it's for guys who spend 4+ hours a day playing them, blowing up their free time.
As for hobbies, beach volleyball in season, and I write and perform original music. I also enjoy the shooting sports and SCUBA.
For young guys, esp teenage years, I would suggest playing at least one team sport to learn team work, and one individual sport to learn self-reliance. I'd also recommend the "social" sports - golf and tennis - although they are declining in importance I think, but still useful. Also, learning a martial art for fitness, discipline and confidence.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
I can barely lift 5 pounds due to being a cripple...still bang bitches
4thAndLong 5y ago
145/265/360/380 are my current training maxes. I can do 2-5 reps of each.
I still play a little bit of video games in limited amounts. It's more of what could you be doing instead? I enjoy cooking, working on my vehicles, camping/hiking, going out and being social, etc..
Batmanforreal2 5y ago
Bench 120kg Deadlift 180 kg Squat 140 kg Overhead 38kg dumbels.
Hitting the gym about everyday, except on sundays.
Hobbys: gym, dating, working on my cars, reading, programming useless programs, going out
Only watch tv to watch football(barca and about all champions league matches)
Videogames, idk sometimes i like to play fifa with friends
whatdidshewrite 5y ago
Lifting is probably the easiest pieces of advice to follow.
I used to have my gaming set up on an old pool table in my basement. I've since taken it down, dusted off the table and started learning how to play pool instead of Overwatch.
nodepostgres 5y ago
I've been a climber for years and mostly focus on sport specific training now. Prior to climbing my best lifts were nothing special; approximately 155 / 245 / 315 / 375 for 5RM @ 165 lbs. They'd be much lower now since I primarily focus on things like finger strength and pulling strength. Squatting 3 plates just isn't beneficial in climbing.
I do watch TV and play video games - in limited amounts. My hobbies include climbing, mountaineering, reading, running, cooking, and backpacking. I'd recommend anything that allows you to learn or be physically active; there are too many options to list.
willbrown72 5y ago
I don’t think it overly matters what the lifting numbers are currently as long as they are progressively increasing as many men here are either starting or haven’t been lifting long enough to have impressive numbers, but I’m sure there are some impressive yoked dudes in here. As far as good hobbies go, reading, hiking, socializing, and physical activities are all good. Anything that is either stimulating to the mind or where you are learning, meeting people and practicing game/being a social person, or being physically active is generally good.
nefariousdestiny 5y ago
What do you say to games that are stimulating to the mind know the same way as a book, puzzle, or social activity? I read, bike, and write, but I also game a good amount. In my opinion it very much matters what types of games you play and how you approach gaming in general.
willbrown72 5y ago
It’s definitely not a black and white thing, I think redpill generally denounces gaming because many people waste away their lives when they could be doing many other things to better themselves and don’t have a balance.
Vikingcel 5y ago
1RMs rougly 155/250/330/470 at 190 lbs.
I have done squats like twice in the last 3-4 months. All time best squat was 405. All time best DL 500.
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Gnosiis_ 5y ago
As a red-pilled man I want to take this opportunity to voice my displeasure about the simple correlation of Liberal = Beta SJW, cuck, etc., and Conservative = Chad, strong etc.
While I can't stand the left's constant sense of victimhood, I really can't stand the right-wing supremacy that goes on in this subreddit. Men with alpha traits come all along the spectrum of right and left. In my experience righties tend to be no-nonsense and rigid, but usually not too bright. (No offense). But from a redpill standpoint it works. However as a liberal I feel my tolerant mindset and community-driven values contribute to society more effectively. Now you could make the argument that self > society but I stand by principle.
Anyways, enough of the right-wing supremacy. It really puts me off when I come back to read up occasionally. Thanks.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Your displeasure cannot overcome the truth, unfortunately.
JagsDontCare 5y ago
Liberals principles are largely socialist which really benefits the female imperative. Hence, Liberals = Cucks, Beta etc.
rus9384 5y ago
One thing I hate in left movement is political correctness. There are many things I like in it, but political correctness is BS. Also, loom for anarchists. They are left, they are ultra-left, but I don't see how they are betas.
diffdedbed 5y ago
Anarchists who are left are like libertarians who are left, they are doing it wrong. How can you be an anarchist and be pro-government in all aspects of life?
KeffirLime 5y ago
The red pill does not align itself politically.
In the current climate however, it seems to be incompatible with a larger portion of the left.
It's incompatible with parts of the right too, however I'd argue there's less of a war on masculinity being championed from the right.
The influence of feminism and "toxic masculinity" are factors of the left that greatly influence the sexual market place, masculine identity and sexual strategy and therefore influence the discussion of the red pill far more.
Gnosiis_ 5y ago
I agree with you feminism is definitely affecting the SMP. Their imperative is power and control without worry of consequences. Hypergamy is destructive. However, feminists still crave alpha traits no matter how much they squeal. Does the feminist movement really affect YOU personally? How many girls have you missed out on? The feminist movement will lose power when people - particularly strong men - call them out for their deception. As I said it's about power and control, and limiting the amount of beta contact they suffer from, not true equality of the sexes. As my feminist baby-mama says, penis envy is a real thing. I'd actually be fine with a little pussy-power, but as I've seen time and time again, women are not very responsible with power.
redpill77 5y ago
I too am wary of the right wing supremacism. I try to temper against it, but because there're so few comments from a liberal perspective, I find myself thinking: 'well feminism provides a great argument against allowing women to have power' and 'social safety nets are very vulnerable to abuse by single mothers.' I still consider myself a liberal, but I'm becoming skeptical of the efficacy of social programs, because so many people will just leech and not do anything, which is unfair to anyone who pays taxes on income from a job they don't like.
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KeffirLime 5y ago
You realize there's countries other than the US right?
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KeffirLime 5y ago
Nope, just this one.
diffdedbed 5y ago
To be fair in the US, whats left on the left for men who have their balls?
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RedForEducation 5y ago
We run the spectrum, some of the loudest voices are right wing Americans.
Many things can just be ignored
Joshua_Pectorals 5y ago
The red pill is incompatible with liberal bourgeoisie values, it puts you off because you're still blue pill. Let's look at an intolerant and strong society do you think any of these men would have trouble getting laid or telling their wife what to do? If you don't like white people then let's look at the intolerant Muslims in the middle east, they certainly don't need any help getting sex. Women are attracted to strong men.
Today men living in Western liberal countries you're taught that masculinity is bad, which is essentially symbolically castrating and weakening men. Now men need to go on the internet to find a vagina guide to learn how to stick it in a woman, and even that is becoming too "toxic and hateful" (Red Pill is 1 step away from being deleted). Your liberal petty morality of tolerance and equality got us into this situation, if you can't understand this then it's best to unsubscribe now.
adool777 5y ago
That's retarded. I'm middle eastern and most men are beta af. They have no issue getting married and the marriage is generally secure with kids and commitment. Dudes do not sleep around more though. You literally have to marry a girl to get pussy, in the west you just have to buy her dinner and be good conversationalist.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Who the fuck cares if your wife does as you tell her or the trains run on time when it's because you live in a fascist country? I really don't understand you hard right authoritarian fanboys thinking you are the solution to the left wing authoritarian bogeyman.
Literal hitler admirers, lecturing that liberals are why TRP was quarantined... /smh
Joshua_Pectorals 5y ago
I used National Socialist Germany and Middle Eastern Muslim countries as an example of anti-liberal masculine countries that don't need to log on to a fringe corner of the internet to read AlphaAnalGaper66's 10 point guide on how to put your dick in a whore. They know how because they're masculine.
Not sure how it's a bogeyman when the SPLC, Silicon Valley, University, Mainstream Media, Payment Processors, Banks, Politicians, all work in accordance to vehemently supress and eliminate right wing, conservative, red pill views, thus enforcing the blue pill on people. But I guess it's just in my head right?
The SPLC got TRP quarantined out of hate for masculinity and Europeans.
I'd rather live in a fascist country than one that wants you broke, dead, and brainwashed for the color of your skin and being naturally masculine, and I'm sure many others here would too.
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
I lived in a fascist country.
All of you guys fantasize about a zombie apocalypse, because you assume your'e not gonna start as zombies.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
That makes one of us. We have no common ground here.
RedForEducation 5y ago
You sound like the bougie asshole who wants to live in Venezuela..
Well, not anymore
Gnosiis_ 5y ago
I hate feminist ideology. Feminists values are left-leaning, but please don't try to lump us all in neat little boxes like you conservatives tend to do. Don't confuse feminist ideology with liberalism as an ideology. You fail to understand the basic premise of liberalism. What I hope to achieve is to allow everyone the same opportunity. What you do with that opportunity is up to you. Either use it or squander it. No one should be deprived of basic human rights or anything less than their neighbor. Everyone deserves the same starting point. Most of you (in bluepill fashion) will say to "enjoy the decline". Does a leader watch as the world burns around him? Does an alpha man not seek ambition and power in order to put the fire out?
The redpill does not put me off. Right-wing values put me off. I'm a very powerful man in a very powerful position. I can choose to share my power with people who have less than I do, or I can hoard it for myself. Does it make me soft for doing this? Do I lose any power for showing GRACE? Does the right's constant need for safety and security prevent them from doing the same? When I came across theredpill I instantly realized the wisdom of it. I was always good looking but red pill wisdom put me over the top. I'll leave you with this: I'm getting ready to make a very public appearance. You'll know me when you see me. My name is Gnosiis.
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Joshua_Pectorals 5y ago
When your main moral values are tolerance, equality, and progress, liberalism quickly turns into feminism and always will.
Women want to murder their babies? Their body their choice! Gays want to get married and have sex with your children? Love is love bigots! Letting a bunch of foreigners outbreed you and destroy your culture? It's good for the economy!
What's happening in Europe and US is absolutely degenerate and disgusting. My goal is to accelerate the decline by allowing more liberalism so it will collapse the country and something beautiful can be built after.
Tarmyniatur 5y ago
Thinking you belong to a certain geographical area just because you were born here and trying to deny others access to your geographical area is such a stupid idea if you think really clearly about it.
This could work in your favor, say you don't want children and accidentally impregnate a chick, do you want to be financially responsible for it?
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
Abortion is salt feminism, it doesn't represent leftism. The baby should have a chance to live, due to leftism.
Chadster113 5y ago
How are most of the top level authors/mods here very well read and articulate and also write very well? This question has always intrigued me
max_peenor 5y ago
My writing for top posts drive people nuts, but it is a bit on purpose. I will admit it is a bit choppy.
As for my comments, they tend to me very focused and right to the point. Having been in senior management roles for a very long time, you quickly learn it as an effective means of communication. So it's just how I'm wired to communicate this stuff. Luckily, TRP has room for plenty of styles of communication.
party_dragon 5y ago
outcome bias.
articulate people that like to read and write are more likely to become top authors.
FieldLine 5y ago
I wish I was as articulate as some of the top dogs here.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
People are nominated for EC status because they have demonstrated competence at communicating RP principles. No great mystery here.
CainPrice 5y ago
Most of the TRP bigwigs are graduate-level educated guys in their 30s who have read and posted things on the internet in some capacity for a couple of decades, who speak English as their first language.
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I think the subject matter itself attracts higher intelligence people than average. Beyond that, the way to become well read is.. well.. read!
Writing is a skill that you get better at when you practice. Reading helps with vocabulary.
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redpillcad 5y ago
Why cant you knuckledraggers write poorly like I wish you did????!
Chadster113 5y ago
Naw I wasn't trying to give you a back handed comment. Just wondering how I could become as well read as y'all.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Practice. Everyone writes a lot on here, and generally improves at it
redpillcad 5y ago
Would you have asked the same question from a pudgy accountant who played she is the boss! with his wife?
the_strat 5y ago
Well, you could read.
axletruss 5y ago
If you're not supporting marriage then what is "married redpill"?
Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 5y ago
I wouldnt advise you to jump in a shark tank, but if you're gonna, I'm gonna send you an amazon link to a sharksuit
max_peenor 5y ago
Some of us went stupid decades ago.
I would NEVER get married now. It's also a big reason why I don't get divorced. Why bother? I'm not going to do it again.
RedForEducation 5y ago
They are for men who got married before getting redpill.
And it's not like marriage is frowned upon by TRP, it's divorce.
RedPillLawyerGuy 5y ago
I always take this phrase to mean "redpill within the context of a committed relationship." Just because someone gets into a relationship doesn't mean their fundamental biology changes. Women like to know that they have a high-value man, and men like to know that their woman is loyal to them.
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My belief is that most RP'ers who don't support marriage are actually against the consequences (and likelihood) of a marriage failing, and the total working-over men get in our family court system. Some are afraid of their emotional turmoil in the event of a failed relationship (AWALT means that women are predisposed to always search for a higher-value man, implying that loyalty is difficult, if not impossible). We brush this off by saying "She's not yours, it's just your turn." Even if that turn lasts 30 or 40 years. It's an attitude of acceptance that to be in a LTR is a state of constant vigilance.
redpillcad 5y ago
I dont support cancer but I donate to cancer research
clavabot 5y ago
A hero of the people
antariusz 5y ago
A different group of people latching on to popular ideas for their own benefit, much like how TRP stole its idea from the matrix, “married red pill” stole their idea from the red pill.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
It's people who made a mistake trying their best to keep it together.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Guys don't keep relationships together, women do.
MRP is about making guys the prize, and deciding who gets to stay in their life once they are a prize
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I disagree. We address both:
Don't get married and have kids if you want.
I plan on starting up a series soon about raising kids in the current social climate.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
I'm hyped. Any idea when it's coming out?
RedForEducation 5y ago
The red pill parenting is an offshoot of MRP. It has some good stuff, though isn't popular enough to get a ton of traction
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NotDeadJustBroken 5y ago
I know TRP is a journey and the journey can be different depending on the person.
What is the advice that you found here that helped you the most in your journey and What are some advice you’ve found in here that have not helped you much or maybe not caused a big impact?
Quo210 5y ago
Helped the most: The way society works by gynocentrism. The ways of Machiavelli. Power dynamics. Help identifying all the gears in the background, how they spin, why they spin. Body language. Really, the list is inmense but in short: How people work.
Did not help: All the PUA and field reports of the sluts behaving as, who would believe it, sluts. If anything I wouldn't spend a single hour wasting resources to obtain a dopamine release. It's useful for manipulating and making things go my way without people not even noticing, but it ends there.
whatsthisgarg 5y ago
My top advice (and you can find my own posts about it in my history) is
you don't do things FOR women, you do things TO women and you will find that women, especially really hot women, do not want you to do things for them because they already have enough chauffeurs/ATMs and they want a real man to treat them like a real woman (IE throw them around like a ragdoll and then ignore them, I'm not joking).
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don't be afraid to have a women be mad at you because she subconsciously knows that her whims and preferences are petty and stupid compared to the interests of a real man. She would much rather you do things your way because you know the better way to do things (don't you?) so that she can join along and pretend that she agreed right from the beginning.
Whisper 5y ago
Success doesn't come from intense effort, but from consistent effort.
Persaeus 5y ago
you're not special
krowitz 5y ago
I just take what I need and go my own way. Everything is helpful in a way, even the bitter anger phase posts, as it reminds you why you went on this journey.
The_LongJohnDon 5y ago
No more mister nice guy.
TheGreatGatzb 5y ago
Advice that helped me the most: Clint Redwood’s posts on Business
Advice that fucking sucks: Field reports from losers who need to brag about lays online to feel good about themselves
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
For me it was an overall concept of "putting me first" and being the best man I can possibly be...
Most anything about spoken game was kind of irrelevant to me. Mainly because it's situational. It does give some ideas but ultimately nothing but experience will help here... Why you really should just go talk to 100 women... Right now. Get it out the way and learn from it.
CainPrice 5y ago
Talk to women. All the time. Even if you're not hot and not social and not interesting today, right now, talk to women anyway. No "monk mode" bullshit. Just talk to women.
Nobody talks to anybody any more. Everybody fucks around with their cell phones and made all the friends they think they're ever going to need in high school.
If you walk up and talk to a woman, even if she doesn't like you, thinks you suck, and blows you off, you walking up and talking to her might be the most interesting thing that happened to her today. You probably did her a favor. Everyone else was fucking with his cell phone. Everyone else is too chicken-shit to just talk to people.
Talking to people is good practice for you. And if you get rejected, it's good practice withstanding rejection. If you can't take rejection without it affecting your emotional state, that's something to work on.
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FereallyRed 5y ago
This.
Extreme ownership.
max_peenor 5y ago
Kill the beta.
Simply making friends with it and sharing a beer isn't enough. It must be removed from you or you'll always go back to old habits. I tried to negotiate with my old ways more than once, thinking that nascent RP knowledge would win, but it doesn't work that. It must be put to death.
Battagliare 5y ago
How did you kill it ?
max_peenor 5y ago
Answered the other guy.
redblueninja 5y ago
What was involved in that process for you?
max_peenor 5y ago
I could probably ramble on about this to no good end, so I'll just nip off one that could be actionable. If you get that uncomfortable feeling when resisting someone that is taking advantage of your beta ways, that is a good sign and it is telling you to hold the line. A lot of beta behaviors are an aversion to what happen when we stick up for ourselves. Embrace that discomfort as a sign that you need to examine the situation with a critical eye and that if you believe you are right, suck it up and do what you believe is right. Sometimes you will decide otherwise and that's ok. The point is that the "bad feeling" should be a signal for introspection, not a flag to immediately retreat.
The pill is bitter. Suck it up.
Battagliare 5y ago
Look i am 20, i know i'm still at the start but if only i'd know this 2 years ago.
axletruss 5y ago
How do you deal with your female superiors in professional setting? Doesn't submitting before a woman compromises your redpill Alphadom?
Whisper 5y ago
I work in an field where we actually get shit done, so I've never reported to a woman in my life.
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Being a proper leader requires being a proper follower when appropriate.
Somewhat related, one of the best gifts you can give someone high in the hierarchy is human connection on a personal level without wanting anything in return. They don’t get treated like people after a certain point.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Same as anywhere. Professionally, with understanding that they are more status than results focused at times.
WarViper1337 5y ago
I work for a large corporation so I have female bosses. It doesn't change my behavior as far as my job goes. I will always perform it to the best of my ability. Obviously I am careful with my interactions so I don't put myself into a position where I would become a #metoo statistic.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
No more so than submitting before a traffic cop who has pulled you over does. Life is full of compromises and times when it's strategic to compartmentalize.
Perhaps you're seeing dominant and submissive as the only modes of interaction. Consider the dimension of assertiveness.
nodepostgres 5y ago
I'm curious why you would think this doesn't align with TRP. The general rule is "don't shit where you eat", hence TRP as a sexual strategy is not relevant in the work place.
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I'm paid to do a job and I do it to the best of my ability. I don't have any issue with female superiors. I do have an issue with incompetent superiors, but gender isn't relevant here.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
This question doesn't even need to be about women as bosses. Consider this: the majority of women are attracted to men whose behavior could be summarized as "leadership." I mean, all those masculine qualities like strength, confidence, assertiveness, that's what all that is.
So if I'm trying to put the moves on a girl, that's the way I act.
But if I'm on a team at work, some of that shit just isn't appropriate. Sometimes, the project leader makes a decision and I need to go with it even if I disagree.
Now, if you have this shallow understanding of TRP where you think it's like a religion and you imagine that I can't ever turn off my assertiveness and take the role of a follower or else ...what, exactly? Or else I'm sinning against TRP and I don't go to TRP heaven??
Come on. I behave in ways that are appropriate to the situation. This isn't that difficult.
PosnerRocks 5y ago
No issue with female superiors. There is just a different set of rules for how to deal with them than you would a male superior. Men and women communicate different and have different priorities. Understanding that and operating within those guidelines is key.
Otherwise, I have a job to do. Why would I waste time bitching about the gender of my boss?
RedPillLawyerGuy 5y ago
Redpill is, at its heart, a sexual strategy -- an acceptance that in the world of romance and sex, women and men have biological tendencies that have to be acknowledged. In a professional setting, where everyone is acting professionally, this may not even apply. I've had women bosses, and women employees, and as long as everyone does their jobs and is civil to each other, everything is fine.
Isbjornsolo 5y ago
Do your job to the best of your ability & learn as much as you can. You're in a professional arena, so behave like a professional.
You don't "submit" to your boss, as you're being paid to do a job.
N.B. Don't try and fuck your work colleagues, it will not end well.
MisplacedSanityP 5y ago
Female superiors? There stop being female superiors very quickly in most companies. Business is ruled by men.
redpillcad 5y ago
No
Omnidempotent 5y ago
Would you ever knowingly cuckold another man? That is, would you ever impregnate a woman and let her convince her beta bucks that it is his child?
RedForEducation 5y ago
Be in control of the birth control
bsins 5y ago
Yes definitely. Probably have at least one already.
Actively gaming an ex coworker of mine who has hinted directly to me that she's wanting to procreate, just not with her husband.
I have two with my wife and might have more if I remarry. Kids are fun and I'll sire as many as I can.
WarViper1337 5y ago
No, because I want to raise my own children.
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clavabot 5y ago
100%, that's a fantasy of mine
RedPillLawyerGuy 5y ago
Whoever's downvoting this, come on, people are allowed to have fantasies.
clavabot 5y ago
Exactly I mean MLK had a dream, so did Hitler
Battagliare 5y ago
Moralising is banned ik but still, are you okay dude ?
clavabot 5y ago
Yea, I want to have tons of kids but there's no way I could support them all, so I think of I have 2-3 kids that I raise, and those that strangers raise and monitor their progress, to see if my nature creased superhuman kids, of if me raising them did
max_peenor 5y ago
I've received explicit invitations to do so. One didn't stop his wife from trying to pull me in raw. Another explicitly wanted me to go raw on his fertile wife because the risk it give him was, as he called it, an unmatchable thrill. Didn't do it.
clavabot 5y ago
How did you end up in those situations?
max_peenor 5y ago
Certain fetish circles. You'll find it more common with older people.
clavabot 5y ago
Looks like I'll have to wait a bit before I can experience this then
TheImpossible1 5y ago
If anyone says they would, I'm very disappointed in this sub.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
I don't know if I would. Morals would get in the way.
I can definitely see the appeal from an evolutionary standpoint.
beginner_ 5y ago
TRP is amoral. It just explains how it is. What you do with it and how you use the material is up to your own moral rules and hence subjective. basically such discussions are irrelevant because there is no "one truth".
the_strat 5y ago
Biology is amoral. How you deal with it is a question of moral VS immoral. Choosing to stop thinking at "amoral" is hamstering your way out of feeling guilt for acting immoral.
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
No because I want access to my children.
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Yeah, you'd have to be a pretty sadistic fuck to let your own progeny be tainted by Billy's Beta Upbringing.
RedForEducation 5y ago
You mean like the divorced guy who is barely allowed custody?
Omnidempotent 5y ago
I ask this because, in terms of pure sexual strategy, it is basically a freebie. You get to procreate without having to commit.
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Is it worth procreating if you doom your procreation to failure?
This is why any liberal Green New Deal will eventually lift the taboo on procreation limits or certification, and I, for one, am all for it.
Also, this is a forum generally about how to open the pink gates, not how to pour yer demon spawn forth from said gates.
Sexual strategy ≠ procreational strategy
PlatoTheWrestler 5y ago
TRP has given me a certain amount of existential anxiety. How do you guys deal with the existential angst that comes along with basically getting laid and just doing you for the foreseeable future?
I have my mission, my passions, but without those traditional ideas of growing old surrounded by loved ones, it feels a bit empty and pointless.
krowitz 5y ago
It takes time but once you learn to not give a fuck about what others think, you'll be on your way.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
The thing is if that's what your goal is then why aren't you trying to achieve it?
If your mindset is to find "the one" you can just simply vet your prospects.
JagsDontCare 5y ago
Most of those ideas aren’t created by you but rather conditioned in your psyche by people who lack thinking ability. Considering this, as novelty as the idea feels good to try to attain- it doesn’t account for all the current variables that make that pursuit an inevitable crash and burn. It’s our responsibility to adjust because it’s necessary for our survival plus the epiphany is entirely fulfilling once you see everything for what it is. Basically, don’t create your own problems and your problems are often just anxieties of your mind; your mind in this case being fixated on something that is no longer what you want it to be(you were lied to).Change how you approach your thoughts and work with what is actually practical more so then the pipe dream of “I hope it works out” and you’ll get it. Resist it and you’ll lead a life I’d wish on nobody.
PlatoTheWrestler 5y ago
Wow damn, thank you very much for this. I needed to hear this
blackedoutfast 5y ago
TRP, we all know that the fossil record tells us that the "ladybrain" of female homo sapiens has been smaller than a walnut for at least 100,000 years. please reply to this comment by listing the various ways in which female humans are inferior/flawed compared to MENkind.
bonus points will be awarded for replies that include scientific sources because redditfags love that shit.
Whisper 5y ago
Try this again when you have huffed slightly less glue.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Depends what standard you're using to measure.
Physicality, aggression, competitiveness, then sure they're inferior.
If you're using persuasion, empathy and nurturing women are far superior.
We are different, have different strengths, which complement each other to make the whole, it is foolish to attempt to hold each other to one standard.
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blackedoutfast 5y ago
your mom thought it was funny
RedForEducation 5y ago
Redditors ????
Isbjornsolo 5y ago
Men and women are different. Not inferior. Both have inhenrant weaknesses/strengths.
As others have mentioned we treat/interact with women as they are, not as we wish them to be.
whichbladeN 5y ago
The definitive behavior of all women is the point of contention.
Isbjornsolo 5y ago
I haven't mentioned all in my reply. However "all" isn't all and it's on a scale within that. Women generally lie within a distribtution for all their behaviours (as do men). You adapt your tactics to the individual, depending on your strategy. Some girls like Party-Alphas others Stoic-Alphas (its a multi-dimensional spectrum). It's up to you to decide which women you are attracted to & play accordingly.
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Lets do this-
Pros/Cons of plating step-relatives. Would you do it?
There is clearly a moral factor. I understand that. I will not accept moralizing as in “thats just wrong you sick fuck”
krowitz 5y ago
Whatever works for you. Really not my cup of tea.
haughtyhay 5y ago
That’s just wrong you sick fuck
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Hypotheticals that are vanishingly rare IRL for $200.
Raised together from childhood = complicated and potentially problematic
Met in adulthood? Main risk factor isn't the relationship itself but the potential for intractable family problems if it goes bad. A man of abundance would strategically pass on such an "opportunity."
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Close enough situation. That was my assessment as well. Theres unambiguous attraction both ways yet the potential downsides have clear disadvantages. The tension is fun however.
Goes to show how deep beta disdain runs comparing myself to her man
CainPrice 5y ago
Having sex with an adopted sister - somebody your parents have literally adopted and you are both being raised in the home as siblings - is weird as shit.
Having sex with a female roommate? That's fine. When she's your step-sister who's being raised by your parents? That's not weird to you?
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The front page of any porn site will tell you there’s a market demand for this situation/fetish or whatever you want to name it. As the blended family rate increases, this situation becomes increasingly more common.
I do see what you’re saying here. I have a challenge defining weird. I want “normie” opinions. I know I enjoy experiencing the darker and twisted side of my sexuality. The more you chase that dragon, the deeper that rabbit hole takes you.
To be clear all involved are well past the age of consent into adulthood and were not raised in the same household
Self-honest 5y ago
It's the definition of shitting where you eat
Shady-mofo 5y ago
Do you wanna be known as the guy who dates his relatives?
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
That about sums it up. (Moral arguments aside.)
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max_peenor 5y ago
In my experience it is always far easier to find a new plate than to fix a broken plate or spin a difficult plate.
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VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I can't say I have a problem with 1st or 2nd wave feminism (i.e. "equity" feminism), but the 3rd wavers are just a bunch of whiners who want equality of result without putting in the work.
Insofar as "feminism" equates to 3rd wave these days, put me down as "anti-feminist", I suppose.
CainPrice 5y ago
None of the above. Men and women are equal (though not identical or equally capable in all areas of life).
I refuse to let feminism co-opt the very basic understanding that all human beings are equal and entitled to certain inalienable rights as a feminist position. That idea existed long before feminism. The "If you think men and women are equal, you're a feminist because that's all feminism is" line is bullshit. Feminism is a pro-woman, anti-man movement, and I'm not pro-woman or anti-man.
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Whisper 5y ago
d) Superman
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HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
e) Sexist misogynist cis-dinosaur who identifies as a hairy cheeseburger-loving manbaby.
Whisper 5y ago
You're disgusting! I am deeply shocked!
Who the hell likes hairy cheeseburgers?
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
The question as asked is a Kafka Trap.
What I can say is some peoples' response to the problems of modern Feminism is to roll society back to pre-suffrage; others think the best aspects of 70s era feminism are workable in a frame of equality of opportunity, not any attempt at equality of outcome.
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MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I'm an equality of opportunity kind of guy if that helps. I bristle at equality of outcome based positions common to modern day Feminism.
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nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
Try to imagine a world in which Christians have somehow completely coopted words like "friendly" and "neighborly." In this hypothetical world, they'll ask you things like, "are you friendly? You are! Well then you're a Christian!"
If you say that you're not a Christian because there are manifold "christian" ideas you disagree with, people say, "omfg!! You don't believe in friendliness?? You don't love your neighbor!! You awful person!!"
...and then someone asks if you "identify as a Christian" - it's a trap.
Here's the thing: I believe that women deserve equality under the law. I believe that all people have equal value as humans.
It's unfortunate that I live in a world where the word "equality" has been coopted by Feminists such that, if I say I believe in equality, people say "well then congratulations, you're a Feminist" and if I say that no, I'm not a Feminist because of the many other "feminist" ideas which I find abhorrent, people say, "well then I guess you don't believe in equality!"
It's a trap, and it's dishonest.
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nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
The three big ones are:
belief in a blank slate. It's the idea that men and women are essentially identical at birth, and that therefore any difference in outcome (for example, more male engineers) can only be a result of society.
the post-modernist denial of objective truth. It's basically the idea that, "all interpretations are equally valid" and it's what allows feminists to make claims about things like rape culture - a great example of where this leads is the recent sokal squared hoax - the "grievance studies" papers. They all made use of Feminist ideas.
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Vikingcel 5y ago
I am glad this is not a question for me. I would not want to be forced into picking out of those options.
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Vikingcel 5y ago
You need to define "feminism" first of all. I am all for women being able to vote, wear shoes and not have to cover their faces with rags. That is not what I imagine when I think of feminism though.
As is, I would have to pick d)neutral
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max_peenor 5y ago
I consider everyone B) with large members of society (75% women/25% men) actively working against themselves to chase some vapid dream of a happiness they can never have. The happiness is a fairly tale told by political types to further their own ends, but more so marketing types that wish to take your money and resources in a vast whirlwind of unsustainable materialism. (A certain level of materialism is necessary and good.) I will admit I have benefitted from the latter to some degree.
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max_peenor 5y ago
How did this word confuse you? Did it confuse you so much you had to stop there? Read the rest of it, skippy.
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max_peenor 5y ago
No, I consider everyone B) but with people maintaining a delusion and behaving against their own interests to obtain things they don't actually need. Why is this so difficult?
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
We are overriding the automod today. Feel free to post as you wish.
And I would consider myself (B) Anti-feminist.
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Posting personal information is strictly against reddit's TOS.
trpthrowama 5y ago
seriously, just because it's anything goes doesn't mean people should go straight to doxxing. what is wrong with people?
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Once again, doxxing is against reddit's TOS. Even your mistaken version of it.
trpthrowama 5y ago
I didn't see what they replied to me with
I think red pill is as vile as it gets. you guys are awful humans, but that guys, that doesn't mean we need to stoop to their level, why do you think doxxing is okay?
RedForEducation 5y ago
Only good moral people try to harm others in real life.
Hopefully it doesn't interfere with the idea that your camp is good people
whichbladeN 5y ago
Do you think male sexuality is predatory?
KeffirLime 5y ago
By nature no, it's designed to be a voluntary process, hence mutual attraction.
It can manifest as predatory in certain scenarios however.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
No. But it is active vs female sexuality which is passive.
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I think comment-OP is referring to harassment and sexual violence, which are two of the actual solid arguments that Feminists come knocking with. Predatory, as best as I can gather, in the minds of pro-Fems has extended from the classical sexual rape (taking sex by force) to any sort of sexual unpleasantness.
But as TRP knows, if you're giving someone predation and violence that they *want,* it ain't either of those two things. And the line between them is simply whether or not the active party is attractive to the passive party.
So the real problem is that Betas keep wanting sex, and some of them get desperate enough to try to force it, despite being unattractive. If only they were just attractive instead!
SimilarHamster 5y ago
idk mod I've seen some predatory women
SimilarHamster 5y ago
50/50 really
max_peenor 5y ago
Predators kill their targets and consume it. The last thing I want to do is kill a woman's sexuality.
whichbladeN 5y ago
That's pretty literal.
You do want to consume the sexuality. It's just a renewable resource lol.
Whisper 5y ago
Wait, we're not supposed to roast them and eat them afterwards?
Have I been doing this wrong?
max_peenor 5y ago
It's ok to coat them in syrup before tasting them either way.
Sir_Koopaman 5y ago
Have y'all considered that women just aren't worth time, money, nor effort? This is why y'all should go MGTOW. Disregard women and their constant shit tests and just focus on yourself.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Redpill - How do I win this game?
Purplepill - Lets trashtalk about which team will win.
Blackpill - I can't win, I'm not playing.
MGTOW - I'm just gonna go home.
Incel - I'm too short to play.
Bluepill - What game?
TheRedPike 5y ago
+1 from /u/HumanSockPuppet
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Nailed it. Mods, a point for this guy here.
clavabot 5y ago
Nicely Put
Battagliare 5y ago
haha this is great
LunarTears0 5y ago
I love this
RedForEducation 5y ago
Most aren't, some are.
I get horny, so it's worth finding out
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
No.
Time) Occasionally spending time with women is enjoyable for me. Going on first dates with women, flirting with them especially, is fun as fuck. Also after fucking them having them tell bat shit crazy stories about their girlfriends amuses me greatly at times. I don't spend much time with them generally because they're so predictable and it gets boring. Also I have many hobbies and too little time.
money) I have never spend money on a girl. I've never bought a random chick a drink in my life and I never will. I always have them get the first round. Regarding dates, I either split the bill or let them pay everything if they want. To be fair I've bought a few presents but they did the same for me. Birthdays, Christmas. Also, their gifts were more expensive.
effort) First off, I barely put in any effort. I make them put in effort. The more effort they are putting in the more effort I'm willing to put in. They always put in more than me.
I do just like you say focus on myself. I don't see why I should go MGTOW to focus on myself. There are times I'm monkmode as we call it but it seems ridiculous to me to go on like that forever.
whatsthisgarg 5y ago
No I have actually never ever considered that.
My experience has been that women are most definitely worth the time it takes to have sex with them. There is nothing on this earth like being a real man and having sex with a real woman.
My experience has also been that women are NOT worth any money at all, but I never wondered about it because I found that women have never required any money at all and have never been interested in my money and never concerned whether I had any money.
My experience has also been that women are NOT worth any effort, because I put all my effort into other things. I never wondered whether women were worth any effort because I found that they have been very interested in my fun life, my sense of humor, and my body.
It's really that simple.
krowitz 5y ago
I enjoy the company of women but I still focus on myself. Really don't understand people who thinks it has to be one or the other.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
Yes, I have considered it deeply. I think the losers of the red pill toat the phrase focus on yourself, don't fap, go monk mode. The game has its limits, I think the one thing that should truly be taken away from the red pill. Is that is all it is, in fact, a game. Thus leads to my question if you had to pick between nothing or playing a game for all eternity what would you pick? Remember that choice and use it as a shield from the vicissitudes of life.
CainPrice 5y ago
I think we've all considered that. And we decided the opposite. That having sex with women is very much worth investing time, money, and effort.
I think the only reason on earth I would ever stop trying and go MGTOW is if having sex with women were impossible for me. If I was just too ugly or too boring or too weird and there was no possible way I could ever get to a point where women will fuck me, then I'd probably give up and go MGTOW.
But otherwise, I'd just do the work and get laid.
Whisper 5y ago
I've enjoyed myself. Sorry you didn't.
Persaeus 5y ago
get your T checked
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
Personally I think MGTOW is a good place to gather your thoughts...
But ultimately no one wants to be alone. And I believe MGTOW is more geared towards men who have been seriously hurt by women... Just my observation anyways.
PS No woman is ever worth my time, money, or effort.... I am worth their time, money, AND effort.
catattackoh2 5y ago
So why should you be worth their time, money and effort but their not yours? What’s your intruinstic value? Having a dick?
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
Having a dick helps.... What it MEANS to have a dick is why I'm so valuable.
catattackoh2 5y ago
And what does it MEAN to have a dick?
buartha 5y ago
Judging from this whole thread it means that you'll have an easier time circlejerking
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
It means being a man... And not just any man. Being a man amongst men. A man that is decisive. A man that is attractive in stature. A man who doesn't care what you think. A man who provides for himself YET has the resources to provide for you as well....
catattackoh2 5y ago
Yet if that was a guarentee that comes with having a dick, you wouldn’t be here. But only you, and not women, can become attractive, decisive, independant and apathetic because...?
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
That's just it... It ISN'T a guarantee that comes with having a dick! Hence why you're here asking me what it means to be a real man...
It doesn't matter what a women can or cannot do... I'm not interested in that.
catattackoh2 5y ago
Mm, yeah. God bless the woman who wants an LTR with someone who wouldn’t give two shits about her.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
I know someone who had their gf cheat on them while he was having cancer treatment.
LTRs are a joke.
hotcaulk 5y ago
How do Red Pill men/ladies feel about the Tea Consent approach to consent? (It's a 3 minute long cartoon.)
I'm an Autistic lady. The BF is the more nurturing one and I'm the robot, to put it crudely. I'm a stay at home lady, though. We compliment each other well, but half of our "expected" roles appear to be reversed. How do relationships like ours (Red Pill in some ways, blue pill in others) fit in a Red Pill worldview? i.e. If we have kids, should we try to switch those "nurturing" type roles, etc, to be more in line with gender stereotypes and social norms OR should we each take the lead where our personal strength lies, regardless of gender? Or some other option?
blackedoutfast 5y ago
fucking dumb as hell.
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max_peenor 5y ago
When did I consent to taking responsibility for the safety of someone that drank themselves unconscious? Sure, I'm not going to fuck them, but why do I have to make sure they are safe? I'm feeling a bit assaulted here.
hotcaulk 5y ago
Let's say that the "make sure they are safe" part is optional, like the "add milk to tea" part. (If you'd like, I can try to consider "let's say the milk is mandatory, too. I didn't consent to milk in my tea," or something like that, if you think that's fair.) Focus on the parts about tea ingestion. What are those thoughts?
If you refuse to consider the above: If you are out with a person, visiting their home, entertaining them in your home, or just otherwise socially engaged with them and they are suddenly unconscious after you stepping away for 5 minutes, how would you react? (If you don't think your state has a good samaritan law, let me know, we'll check. Odds are it does.) I check on unconscious strangers, but i'm the bleeding heart type. Maybe you feel differently about acquaintances, though?
max_peenor 5y ago
I think you got other answers; I was just focusing on the unintentional irony.
I don't think those laws mean what you think they mean, but indeed most states compel you to alert the authorities if someone is in danger, as long as it doesn't cause you unreasonable harm. That still doesn't make you responsible for their safety. For instance, if some retard jumps into a wild animal cage at the zoo, I only need notify the zoo. I don't have to jump into the cage too and fight off the toothy thing. And if the toothy thing escapes its cage to eat three assholes, it's totally ok if I just run for my life and not tell anyone about the three assholes getting eaten.
But I think your question was a good one.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Are you happy in your relationship?
spooky-102 5y ago
Some random redpill woman opened a store under GLO's name. Is it you? maybe Gaylubeoil opened it. who knows.
hotcaulk 5y ago
Oh, fuck yeah! I thought I would hate monogamy, but I love it with him. I trust him more than anyone, except my Dad. (I'm kinda weird about my Dad. In a good way, of course.) I feel safe with my SO, even in my most vulnerable moments. I've seen him go through extreme changes, but the core of who he is, why I trust him and why I love him hasn't even faded. (We're only 5 years in, though, admittedly.)
Yeah, I get frustrated sometimes. We disagree. I like the way we work through those kinds of things, though.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
So why change anything at all? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
hotcaulk 5y ago
I agree with some Red Pill stuff. Where I tend to veer away from it is how set in stone gender roles can be within that community. I offered my relationship as an example where Red Pill philosophies have a place, but up to a point. (Example: friends come to me for practical advice, but BF for emotional validation. I'm sure you see the implications for child rearing.)
Does Red Pill have room/commentary for "gender bender" relationships like mine? To put it another way.
redpill77 5y ago
I think there's room for it but there is almost no discussion. The inclination at first would be to identify how your relationship could be better by following a more red pill dynamic. It would surely be suggested that your relationship cannot be stable with the role reversal you have at play, and that you may not see it but you are likely to branch swing.
There may not be a lot of support for you, but I for one would be interested in updates, because it could help me fine tune my understand of the dynamics at play (perhaps a case study of an unemotional autistic lady could provide some interesting insights).
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
Yes. The best RPW advice I can give you is find a good man and follow his lead. It sounds like you have a good man that you are happy with. If he is happy with the current situation, then follow his lead by keeping things the way they are.
hotcaulk 5y ago
Did I misunderstand the purpose of this post? I'm not asking for advice. I don't need it, we're happy. I am asking questions in an attempt to understand a perspective I don't necessarily agree with. I mean, I know there is more to Red Pill Women than "he always leads, she always follows."
I thought "the pills" were about acknowledging that different people are better suited for different roles, and we should each fill the role that's fits us best. Red Pill sets those roles based on gender stereotypes, blue pill sets those roles based on each individual's aptitude/ability compared to their partner. Am I getting something wrong, here?
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
My comment answers your question all the same.
Exterminatus4Lyfe 5y ago
Well TRP is usually from the perspective of the man, because it gives information that (usually) the man will use. Yes, women would find insight from this info, but maybe not too much as few people like being told truths about their group that they dislike (e.g. the black pill is really that you need to change yourself).
The reason gender roles are so relied upon is that most people will always conform to gender roles in most things, and it's a more universal kind of advice.
"Judge people by their individual aptitude" is a wonderful ideal, until 90% of people can't handle the fact that they're never going to be in the top 10%, they'll never be famous or rich. Of course people are never going to be happy with the "you're not really that special compared to the other 100 million in the country", which is why the blue pill descends into lies to compensate (e.g. everyone is special and has unique worth).
hotcaulk 5y ago
Do we/they? (I think I'm purple pill but get called blue.) Myself and the feminists I role with tend to view stereotypes as guidelines. Red Pill appears to treat them as set in stone. I recognize statistical patterns amongst gender guidelines. I wrestled in high school as a female, I recognize the advantage they had in developing muscle density, upper body and core strength. The guys recognized that the legs were the exception to that rule. You can be blue pill and acknowledge that stuff.
FindWittyName 5y ago
morals and dignity aside. How do you get woman to cheat, how do you get them away from their boyfriend. how do you make them loose interest in their current relationship.
I bring this question up because I live in Wisconsin. In a small city where every girl I know is already in a relationship. And I feel like being better, working out and socializing just isn't enough to get them away from the BF.
blackedoutfast 5y ago
by being better than her boyfriend in important ways and giving her something that she isn't getting from him. usually it's that exciting alpha sexiness. she's seen her boyfriend at his worst, being weak, supplicating, predictable, etc.
RedForEducation 5y ago
You can't do anything. She wants to, you signal discretion and availability.
If she's happy, you can't change that
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lagerea 5y ago
This makes a lot of sense, my girl and I do the threesome thing with other girls and they always turn out to be in a relationship already, it's a one and done each time and we keep asking ourselves why, then find out they have a dude.
axletruss 5y ago
As a dude, I've read The Manipulated Man book. I've learned a lot & it has opened my eyes. Author tried to present logic & let me walk through it. She knows that when she allows me to rationalize by myself without using unnecessary foul/strong language then I will be more receptive to the truth.
You guys are doing good. But your sidebar or your manual or something, some of them consist of some obscene language. Threads like "How to manage your bitches", " Spinning Plates" etc. And this is my only frustration with you guys. These things piss me off on this sub. I mean I know that you want to expose some hurtful truths, why don't do it in some soft gentle tone. Look. Yes we're not living in a civilized world. But that doesn't gives us an excuse to have a bad mouth. Sometimes I feel that since your argument or logic is weak so you try to amplify your point by using those strong tone of foul language. Yes majority of people here are in their 20s. People have young blood but yes we're open to hear you & reason by ourselves. We're open to you if you try to get your point across in decent manner. Why don't you guys serve your truth in pure logic. Use flowery language if required but it is needed to do it. Otherwise people will confuse you guys as angry Incel. So why not do it? I personally believe that if you would have taught things using pure logic & no terms like "handling/managing/training bitches", you would not have had quarantined at the first place.
RedForEducation 5y ago
The harsh tone is on purpose.
Keeps women out, and they are notorious for ruining male spaces. Also, men have to be Ok with being unapologetic, now justifying bad words helps with that
WarViper1337 5y ago
With some of the business dealings surrounding reddit recently it seems that our quarantine was to please the corporate overlords and allow reddit to be more advertiser friendly to potential investors. It has almost nothing to do with what we talk about here because there are other subreddits dedicated to some truly heinous acts against humanity and they are all doing just fine. The truth is that we were affecting their bottom line and ability to advertise to feminist friendly corporations who want to invest in reddit.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
You obviously didn't read My Guide on Training Bitches very closely, otherwise you would know the answer to this is contained therein.
Allow me to link for you -- see the final paragraph for the answer to your question, but read the whole thing to understand the context of the remark:
SimilarHamster 5y ago
We got quarantined because Reddit is a business. They make money off you being here. They deemed us a danger to there business because snowflakes like you would get offended and stop using their site. But they still wanted our ad revenue so they just quarinteed us instead of an outright ban. Although personally, I blame the guy that called Jordan Petersons daughter a hoe.
FereallyRed 5y ago
This was answered many many times at the bottom of this page.
My reply includes three distinct reasons for the phenomenon.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
Why should we pander to those who would be offended by generic labels?
Electra_Cute 5y ago
How do you know what you are reading on here(The Red Pill) is true?
Whisper 5y ago
Because I tested it before I wrote it, and then I tested it again by hearing the results achieved by those who learned from me.
The TRP that you see written on the internet is less than half the actual phenomenon. The majority of takes place in the experiences of individual students when they test all this stuff in the field. This part is not accessible to anyone who isn't trying it (and thus, it's not accessible to women at all).
This is why I don't really spend much time justifying or "proving" TRP to non-participatory observers anymore. I don't really care if they believe me or not. They don't have any skin in the game. So I tend to ignore them or toss out flippant answers, toy with them, and chuckle as they rage at my refusal to engage in whatever debate they were expecting.
Because ultimately, they are not my intended audience, and, moreover, they never CAN get it, because they're never going to go out and do it. They're never going to understand what it looks and feels like put into practice.
Auvergnat 5y ago
I apply three filters to my TRP reading:
Does this match the majority of my own observations?
Does this match the majority of other men’s experience?
Everything on TRP is often colored (some would say “tainted”) with bitterness or anger, but anything that passes my filters deserve my full attention.
JagsDontCare 5y ago
Because it’s principle based. Anything opposite is largely unsound and manipulative and essentially built on sand. TRP is consistent always because it accepts the reality of it all rather the hypothetical or illusion.
RedForEducation 5y ago
Try things out.
Most guys generally have experienced a decent amount of it and it resonates, after a while you add things that jive with your experiences and continue to
max_peenor 5y ago
Because I wrote it.
rus9384 5y ago
Many if not most advices here come as early as from 00's and probably even earlier. No one can ensure you this is the best strategy so far if you are resistant or sceptical enough. Maybe some machiavellian guys are even better, but their machiavellian nature does not let them reveal their methods.
I notice that TRP is not simply a guide like "do X and get a girl". There are controversies. Ones tell that the truth of life is that "you are not hers, it's simply your turn". Others say this rule is for losers. Same with other theories. Some rules and advices I consider to be a BS. Many are obvious, though. But some are useful.
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
Because I heard redpill advice on diffrent places and diffrent languages It is consistent as long as there are women involved.
krowitz 5y ago
How would I know it is not?
nodepostgres 5y ago
Much of TRP wisdom is based on personal experiences and anecdotal evidence. It shouldn't be accepted blindly as truth and I doubt that most people here approach it that way.
I view TRP as more of a toolset. I read, experiment, and figure what does and doesn't work for me. I wouldn't know unless I tried it out for myself.
beachredwhine 5y ago
Why would anyone ever lie anonymously online?
321PK 5y ago
Lol! ????
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
sivarias 5y ago
Shits and giggles. Trolling. Look at 4chan's history of pranks to see why.
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Littleknownfacts 5y ago
/u/-Thegreasypole- right now.
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
7 out of 10 the butterfly should have been a redpill.
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
I'm working with limited resources okay?!
Proto_Sigma 5y ago
SO AM I!!
Littleknownfacts 5y ago
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EkMard 5y ago
The target audience for this question is TRP. Non-TRP bloops are welcome to reply, but they might feel offended.
Humans evolved. Physical differences emerged. We classify humans into races and sub-races and even further. Do you believe that all humans are fundamentally equal? Do you believe that they can all co-exist in a flourishing orderly society, inter-marrying? Why? Why not?
The division of humans (and I differentiate between humans and people) into races is vague, yes. Race is social, and the boundaries are too blurry for comfort, yes.
Certain racial and sub-racial groups have an elevated general intelligence required for modernity, while others have a less developed one. It is true that culture and the environment created racial differences. Culture is now racially determined though.
Certain racial and sub-racial groups are biologically pre-disposed to certain personalities, criminal tendencies and modes of self-identification. Racial discrimination through appearance is deeply rooted everywhere. As the progressive worry, there is still large-scale racism prevalent in the most tolerant of societies.
Humans of all kinds are the result of thousands upon thousands of years of evolution, leading to particular strains of phenotypical variety (e.g. thin lips or full, large heads or small, freckled pale skin or sun-protected black-brown skin) among different populations. Skull variety. Scientists are able to decipher one's sub-racial group by looking at one's bones.
It is imperative for the various racial groups to self-segregate, voluntarily, into an order stratified by race and ethnicity, in different regions, such that children born in the future do not deal with lack of an identity of their own, such that the incredible diversity among humans is not lost, such that the highly-civilised, overall-intelligent societies that White Europoids have created not be decreased in social cohesion, in economic efficiency, acting as a nanny hosting every person they can, without benefit. Especially in the face of other societies, East Asian, Jewish, Arab, South-east Asian, and all of African, staying monolithic, staying the same.
I invite everybody to destroy this argument.
Whisper 5y ago
All of this may be true, but what does it have to do with "How get laid?" ?
EkMard 5y ago
It is unrelated to sexual strategy, Sir Whisper. I want to see the community members' view on this.
CainPrice 5y ago
All humans are equal in the sense that we all have inherent human potential above regular animals and are all entitled to equal protection under the law and certain inalienable rights.
That doesn't mean all humans are the same or that all humans are capable of the same things. Even if we forget about race or sex entirely, two seemingly similar humans can have wildly different potential in different areas.
Anyway, liberal co-mingling of races and cultures is, itself, another culture. Some crazy segregationists have their own culture and want to keep to it. Some crazy liberal people have their own culture of political correctness and co-mingling. Being liberal and wanting to co-mingle and appropriate things from other cultures, and change and abandon things from your own cultures is, itself, another culture. Liberalism is just as much a culture as segregationism.
EkMard 5y ago
Sure.
I probably understand what you mean. What I attempted was to make the case that racial qualities are important. At the end I also added what I think 'the West' should do. You have not expressed an opinion about what I proposed, only said that people choose to live this or that way. Not expressing an opinion is allowed, though.
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EkMard 5y ago
'White' is not a race. Caucasoid is a race. Modern intelligence is also high in some other groups, but let's ignore them for now.
Eurasians split off from other humans. They branched off into Mongoloid (Asians, Amerindians) and Caucasoid (Europeans, Middle Easterners, Indo-Iranians). Empirical data makes it clear that both these groups, especially Caucasoid people it seems, are more capable of building civilisation today and have a better mind and skull, in comparison with Negroid people (sub-Saharan Africans, roughly) and various other peoples. I am driven to make the case against miscegenation, in favour of segregation, in favour of Caucasoid racial consciousness. To some degree, the Western half of Europe may be preferable.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
Let's take a specific example and then use it to answer the rest of your post: statistical evidence appears to show that one group in particular is more likely to commit a certain type of crime, namely, school shootings (or church shootings if you prefer that example). That group is: white males.
For whatever reason, white males tend to commit those crimes more than, for example, asians.
But the question that makes up the body of your post is essentially, if I may summarize, "can we create a society where white males can live along side asians." The key to answering that question is knowing what portion of the difference is being exacerbated by society. My personal non-social-scientist opinion is that our often fucked-up society is making the difference (in criminality between white males and asians) significantly worse than it would be otherwise.
If I try to imagine a perfect utopian Star Trek society, I still thing there would be some difference in criminality. I mean look, if there were 10 billion people in this star trek society, then I don't doubt there'd be one crazy asian dude that walks into a church (do they still have those in Star Trek??) with a phaser and fucks shit up. And if there are 10 billion people, there are probably two white dudes who do the same thing.
But if that was it - 1 asian terrorist and 2 white terrorists, I think society continues to function just fine. And that's the answer to your question. The answer is "yes" you can create that society, though "no" you cannot eliminate all differences.
The fundamental problem isn't the mere existence of the differences, it's that the differences are exaggerated in the bad direction by society (frankly, the blue pill ideas of society) so that we're not living in a world where 3 people 10,000,000,000 are terrorists - it's a lot worse than that.
Have you ever heard the theory that the clean air act saved civilization? If you look at statistics, violent crime was through the roof into the '70s. If you go find a video of a place like New York, it looks like a hell hole. Then suddenly, crime rates started decreasing. The authors of the book, Freakonomics argued that we were all being poisoned by the lead in gasoline. That we passed the clean air act, and that 18 years later we are not seeing boys born without fucked up brains and they do less crime.
If you looked at the state of the world in 1970 you might ask the same question you're asking here: can we create a society with ____ people in it? Well it turns out, we can. We just have to stop poisoning them.
And there are many other helpful changes we can and should make. Ending the war on drugs would be a huge help. Just look at how we are telling our police officers that they have to find minuscule quantities of drugs - and that, in order to find these drugs, they are forced to stop random people and do these really invasive searches like checking in their underwear and inside their mouths! That's fucked up. That's a huge part of the anger that people feel in our society.
There are lots of things we could do better. Start researching epigenetics. There are choices you made as a child (or even choices your parents made) which result in different gene expression in you today - affecting your mood and therefore your behavior.
Violent crime is going down and I expect it to continue to go down as we learn about and fix more of the things that are hurting us. The racial differences you bring up may never be completely eliminated, but the differences will be reduced to levels low enough to be insignificant.
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poohead5 5y ago
Crime rates went down because Clinton threw a bunch of black males in prison. Only good thing he did.
blackedoutfast 5y ago
the reason is that there are far more white males than any other race of males in this country. if you consider the relative proportions of each race, then white males do not commit mass shootings at a greater rate than other races.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
I mean, you can pick whatever crime fits into the example. I also offered church shootings. Surely there have been more white dudes shooting up churches than asian dudes.
blackedoutfast 5y ago
white dudes shoot up more churches or whatever in terms of raw numbers, but that's just due to the fact that there are a lot more white dudes than any other kind of dudes, NOT because white dudes have a greater propensity to commit those kind of crimes. if anything, white dudes do it less than expected.
diffdedbed 5y ago
Where does RP put love in this equation?
I agree with RP up to awalt, once the woman is hooked on you. I've seen women who should branch swing because the guy is a total loser stick with said total loser because she "loves him".
RainySeasonInPH 5y ago
Where does RP put love in this equation?
Pretty close to here I would imagine.
A man can love a woman sexually and regard her as a subordinate, but for a woman to regard a man as a subordinate would make him sexually repulsive to her. Male love to a woman is protective. Female love to a man is respectful.
I believe that the current best model is actually this, which was posted here recently but didn't get the attention it deserves. It's much more explanatory than hypergamy --> branch swinging, IMO.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
Love is a temporary emotional state to women. When she says she loves some “total loser”, she is highly attracted to him at the given moment. Female attraction is emotional and subject to change; a general rule about women’s attraction to “higher status males” is valid both on its generality and the fact that higher status is so subjective.
Also, “should branch swing” is a massively off-the-mark statement on the idea behind the phrase “branch swinging”, as well as moralizing, which TRP tries hard not to do:
“Branch swinging” means when a person lines up their next relationship to jump to, before they exit their current one. There is no reason anyone “should” branch swing; it is merely a preference of those who don’t want to be without some sort of relationship for any gap of time. What you mean to say is that those women “should” leave, which is still subjective and gets us to...
VisiblePlan 5y ago
That loser has better frame. I've seen guys with gas station jobs date successful girls and hold on to them.
max_peenor 5y ago
Men - love -> Women - love -> Children - love -> Puppies -> love -> Men
No one is loved the way they want to be love and nobody loves the way they are loved. Well, except maybe the puppy.
When you come to terms with this, life can become a lot less distressing. The funny thing is that most mature mothers understand this when dealing with their own children. These are the same mothers that flip their shit in bloopland when we suggest it's the same between men and women.
whichbladeN 5y ago
So when there are no children in the equation, men and women love equally?
Or do women now love the dog more?
max_peenor 5y ago
No.
I saw a sticker on a car yesterday: "I'm a husky mom." I could see a man in the car with her. He didn't rate a sticker.
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sublimemongrel 5y ago
The stats that I’ve seen show men leave sick wives more than vice versa although yes women leave unemployed husbands more but how does that factor into your statement?
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rus9384 5y ago
Boundaries of AWALT?
Obviously, I'd say that lesbians (at least some of them) and asexuals are not covered by this.
But is there a boundary for straight/bi women? That is, we don't say "All men are like this". There actually are many men whose principles are different from TRP principles.
So, if men step in the shit, why women can't?
Whisper 5y ago
We don't say "all men are like this", because we don't say anything about men. We're not trying to seduce men. There may very well be some "this" that all men are like. We just don't care.
By the same token, we don't care about lesbians... at least about the ones with no interest in dudes. Asexuals likewise.
321PK 5y ago
Ya but you don’t exist in a vacuum so it’s def a weakness.
rus9384 5y ago
I like your response, that is about men not trying to seduce men. It looks like this phrase can be a good peacocking. Seems like it's exactly that stuff RP men do like in women. I mean AWALT stuff. (no sarcasm)
CosmicSpiral 5y ago
Be more specific.
AWALT is about recognizing the primary motivations that drive women's sexual preferences and decision-making, not whether they follow them regardless of circumstance. Innate urges don't have to be followed as long as other incentives are sufficiently enticing i.e. fear of social ostracization, praise and respect from other members of the community, relative security from negative consequences, positive externalities stemming from chaste behavior, moral principles derived from experience or environment, etc.
You do, just not in a concrete fashion. It is known subliminally that men's sexuality is visually oriented, that they value beauty along a gradient and respond more eagerly/invest more emotionally as the scale slides towards higher estimates, and they possess some vestigial instinct that compels them to protect and comfort women over other men. This is why women cry to gain sympathy, lie about sexual abuse, and wear revealing clothing despite all the consternation about unworthy randoms salivating over their body.
Principles are either outwardly expressed byproducts of social conditioning or internalized norms. It is a separate topic altogether.
AWALT =/= moral condemnation. There are different consequences for men who indulge in the same behavior, except the ramifications manifest as externalities rather than personal unhappiness.
rus9384 5y ago
AWALT is something like an optimal strategy for a woman. Being a lesbian seems not to be an optimal strategy, right? I don't understand why being a hetero/bi automatically imply an optimal strategy. In fact there are guys with weird preferences. Not many, for sure. I certainly heard a debate between a self-called 'feminist' and a youtuber where she argued women have no vaginal orgasm at all. And that she'd have a vaginal sex with a guy only on holidays. Seems like a violation of AWALT.
CosmicSpiral 5y ago
If everything shakes out, AWALT priorities (what you really mean is Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks strategy = strategic pluralism in evolutionary biology) lead to an optimal scenario for gaining and raising children. Note this is ideal in the abstract sense of guaranteeing the best offspring are nurtured in the best environment. This doesn't equate to optimal conditions for long-term fulfillment, security, or material gain for the woman herself.
It wouldn't be by definition.
Optimal sexual strategy is about behavior that leads to successful mating, not preference.
Hence why they are few in number.
AWALT and common sense are two different things lol.
notmainacct278 5y ago
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with TRP's most uncontroversial advice: lift and get big.
That's not to say you shouldn't lift, but the emphasis definitely shouldn't be on size. I've seen many a girl fawn over the physique of a ripped and skinny guy, while completely ignoring the jacked guys with a little too much extra bodyfat. Having been in the latter category, I can say my results with women have improved a lot more after losing that chub than after packing on the muscle.
For those of you who would say lift for yourself, I agree, which is why I have been lifting for many years. But unless your goal is to compete in bodybuilding or powerlifting, I'd argue you're a lot better off aiming for athleticism and health than raw numbers. I'm due for a hernia operation not too long from now, which research shows is correlated with heavy lifting.
_-_FanGirl_-_ 5y ago
All this talk of improving yourself and hitting the gym.
So I suppose the natural question is: how much can you lift, bro?
FereallyRed 5y ago
Your Momma.
Persaeus 5y ago
how much do you weigh?
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
How much do cookies weigh? About 2 times that.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
5 pounds tops... but I still get laid
Batmanforreal2 5y ago
Depends on the lift + reps
Whisper 5y ago
https://youtu.be/Y3lPhq0Ky_M?t=30
_-_FanGirl_-_ 5y ago
Haha accurate. Such opportunity. What do I ask?! Drawing such a blank on Good General Questions (vs one I might venture to ask you specifically)
Whisper 5y ago
So, you don't have a question to ask, you just want to ask a question. Why do you suppose that is?
_-_FanGirl_-_ 5y ago
Attention seeking, probably? You probably know better than me!
In part I think this is a neat exciting experiment and want to be involved. But I'm not one to answer, and don't have anything to ask, so just... barging in anyway
blackedoutfast 5y ago
getting pussy is nice and all, but who wants to discuss the JQ?
poohead5 5y ago
I've been told that a lot of EC's and mods here are jewish. That's probably where the "enjoy the decline, be a degenerate" shit comes from. I have no proof, just a hunch.
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MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
It's off topic for the main sub. Some people are interested in the topic, others dismiss it. Because TRP and the JQ are considered "forbidden topics" there tends to come some "crank magnetism" where people interested in one topic find their way to the other despite no direct connection between the topics.
RedHeimdall 5y ago
This topic is forbidden goyim.
blackedoutfast 5y ago
oy vey! the holocoasters and masturbation machines were real in my mind
Vikingcel 5y ago
Long-nose tribe say six die in holobunga. Six? Grug think that a lot. Grug give berry to long-nose tribe.
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RedForEducation 5y ago
They killed his dog, the last thing his wife did for him before she died
blackedoutfast 5y ago
they haven't done anything to me personally, and honestly i think their efforts to eliminate white ethno-nationalism by flooding western nations with shitskins are going to backfire spectacularly.
CainPrice 5y ago
You're too late for that. They already control the entire universe. Did you know that when the Mars probe landed, there was already a star of David carved into the surface of Mars when they got there? Next, they'll claim Mars is also their holy land and the politicians who were paid off with sacks of Jew gold are going to give Mars to them as New Israel.
Guys like you totally need to put a stop to this by meeting in your trailer park after dark and fantasizing about how cool it would be to attack old geezers in synagogues to send your message to the world about how you're on to those evil, evil Jews.
Turkerthelurker 5y ago
Ah, shame tactics, nice. Don't see those used to coral men away from wrong-think very often.
CainPrice 5y ago
It's also common to highly exaggerate the position of the opposition to make them look ridiculous. My Jewish friends gave a presentation on what to do when we find people like you in the wild at liberal camp last summer. Jews make the best Power Point presentations.
Persaeus 5y ago
Jews are better than most at a lot of things. Preaching to the choir here - but it's a basically a conspiracy of success. Losers going lose.
blackedoutfast 5y ago
ok calm your tits Dr Noseberg
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
You haven't figured it out have you? TRP is successful men. We are all Jewish.
blackedoutfast 5y ago
the last time someone claimed to be King of the Redpillers you people crucified him
SimilarHamster 5y ago
this killed me
Vikingcel 5y ago
Have you read the Culture of Critique?
CainPrice 5y ago
Nope. Is it worth a read, or is that just another random white supremacist Jew-hate book about how the Jews brought it all upon themselves by standing out as such as successful in-group and being too politically liberal for the working class white Christian males?
Vikingcel 5y ago
It has an objective viewpoint. No antisemitic charge whatsoever. Give it a quick skim and decide for yourself if it's worth a read.
I personally haven't even read it whole as I lost interest quickly. I do believe that Jews have done and likely are doing fishy shenaningans, but I don't really care anyway.
CainPrice 5y ago
My position has always been that a small handful of really rich people (some of them are Jewish) control a lot of shit with their money. And when you have a lot of money and control a lot of shit and want to make more money, you can use that control to affect the value of the US Dollar and various stocks. For example, Soros made it huge betting against the Dollar. He's not fighting to destroy white culture and glorify the Jews. He just likes money.
It's all a game. Trump, who is allegedly the Lord and Savior of white culture, gives lip service to his people while signing a tax bill that limits mortgage interest deduction on your taxes. The single largest deduction middle class Americans make every year. And his crazy behavior makes the US look bad internationally while also further polarizing the country internally and getting the far left to mobilize. If you were a conspiracy guy, you might think that Trump getting elected was all part of the master plan and he's one of them, too.
Likewise, antisemitism flourishes and the powers that be don't do anything about it, because it's convenient for the people who are actually in control if ignorant rednecks are blaming the Jews and plotting to shoot up random synagogues. That just further mobilizes the left and makes the whole nation easier to manipulate.
There are as many tin foil hats as you can imagine. Everything you see could be somebody's master plan.
poohead5 5y ago
The elite Jews allow a small amount of antisemitism as an excuse to infringe on our rights, but if it becomes an actual threat to their power, it'll be shut down faster than you can say "soap and lampshades."
killtheender 5y ago
Have any of you guys ever been in a happy relationship pre TRP?
SteelSharpensSteel 5y ago
Yes, and still am. Things have just improved though afterward.
Batmanforreal2 5y ago
Yes
Whisper 5y ago
"Pre TRP" is a bit of a tricky preposition for me, because things I learned on my own before TRP existed became a lot of what TRP is. So in my case, it's hard for me to say what is "pre" TRP, and what is post.
That said, a lot of TRP study material is sourced off my relationship with "FunSize", which has been going for quite a number of years now.
Persaeus 5y ago
yes, many. i would say the arc of the relationship under performed significantly though compared to post TRP
NextBad 5y ago
Yes, but not pre TRP ideology, once I learn to put myself first I did well with women, I came to TRP because it matched my values in principles
nodepostgres 5y ago
Absolutely - for awhile.
TRP has helped me understand what caused those relationships to fail in the way they did. TRP has helped me identify my own shortcomings and poor behavior patterns in relationships. TRP has helped me understand what a healthy relationship is.
And TRP has also made it more difficult to find a satisfying relationship because I won't put up with toxic behavior anymore.
willbrown72 5y ago
I was in a 3 year long relationship where I broke up due to distance and was sad about by it for about 3-6 months. It was a happy relationship all the way until the end for both sides. I think TRP gives men that aren’t taught the pitfalls and wrong things in a relationship a fighting chance and an ability to lead their life. And a big part of TRP is for self improvement in and out of being in a relationship. So even if it was successful before, it could be even better.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Yes.
subnauticalife 5y ago
I was in a very happy relationship for 3 years, and began reading trp about halfway through it. I’ve never felt more on top of the world than I did in that time. Trp in my opinion is a very complex way of telling most guys to “get a thicker skin.” Lots If people are sold on the idea of a happy ever after, and trp shoots down a lot of that and basically says, here’s what you’re really going to deal with throughout your love career. Once you get past that anger phase, you can embrace the way culture is headed and understand it.
CainPrice 5y ago
Many of them. Though they all tended to follow the same arc.
Low sex, lack of gratitude, and after things got comfortable and stale, she eventually had an opportunity with someone else, and the new opportunity seemed better to her than the stale relationship with me. I'd always get dumped or cheated on, never fucked the way I wanted, and never treated well. At first, things were always great. She worshiped me. But the very second the honeymoon phase ended and things were comfortable, every girl turned bitchy, became ungrateful, and the second another guy came along who liked her, the relationship ended.
The Red Pill has significantly improved the length and quality of my relationships.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
This. always this. Pre RP anyways...
Ill never forget my first. We were pretty damn inseparable. We had wild sex just about anywhere and everywhere and almost in front of anyone (including both are moms... Long story that one). After about 7 months ago she ran with some dude up North. I was pretty much devastated... And I couldn't understand why.
Looking back I know EXACTLY what happened. She branch swung as I was inferior at the time. No challenge. AS SHE SHOULD! AWALT. I can't blame her for doing her anymore than most guys for looking at women. It's in their nature. Yours will too if you don't keep frame.
Since RP I concur! My relationships have improved.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Yes, until it wasn't.
For some of us (myself included) we had some natural gifts that made us successful with women, but still fell for the (now obvious) traps that sunk the ship.
One might think that you have to fail before you can succeed because that failure is knowledge on how to succeed. But I'm not sure I'd ever get as far as I am today without TRP.
I_Dont_Type 5y ago
Without TRP you don't know where you're going wrong, the Bluepill message that society preaches makes sure of that.
menial_optimist 5y ago
This question is addressed to successful RP members who have broken through past Level 1 Chad Status and have fucked 2-5 women on a regular basis for years:
How do you respond to the argument that the natural course RedPill philosophy results in is the creation of a sociopathic individual?
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
When someone calls someone else (who doesn't have ASPD) a "sociopath" it is shaming language because the second person isn't acting in the way that the first person wants them to.
So my response will generally be "I do what's right/works for me."
Batmanforreal2 5y ago
What argument?
Whisper 5y ago
"So?"
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NextBad 5y ago
This is difficult, Because I don't the have credibility to argue with main stream physiology, I would hope people would see the positive it brought in my life, women aren't complaining about me , they like my company, they respect me, it's a third party who is complaining. That is my proof that I'm not hurting anyone, No one who has ever been with me claims to be a victim. In fact most of the women I dated are hitting me up still even though I'm married
KeffirLime 5y ago
Is that an argument, how so?
All my long term plates have been very happy, some have moved on to great relationships, some see me for years on end. I don't promise more than I can provide, when i can't provide what is asked of me it usually ends amicably and life moves on for both of us.
Kurush559 5y ago
Trp doesn't (generally) advise a lack of empathy, compassion, and socially-constructive traits and behaviours. It often leads men to disavow these behaviours, but that's a product of their response to trp, not the ideology itself.
ntvirtue 5y ago
Sociopathy would require a complete lack of empathy
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Some people practically fetishize Machiavellian and Dark Triad traits, but it's not exactly a TRP prerequisite.
Personally, I have a strong "trade value for value" ethic that underpins my Libertarian leanings and also informs my relationship behavior. I offer value, so people relate to me because they freely choose to, not because of manipulation.
heronmarkedblade1984 5y ago
What does your partner bring to the table, besides a vagina? Value for value is the foundation of a functional reciprocal relationship. Could not agree more.
Omnidempotent 5y ago
At what point does promiscuous sex become degenerate? In less moralistic terms, when does it become unhealthy to have sex with many women? At what point does pursuing sex become harmful to yourself?
Whisper 5y ago
Define "degenerate".
When you're skipping workouts or sleep.
When it crowds out other shit you need to do.
RedPillLawyerGuy 5y ago
I take an "addiction" approach -- when it compromises your ability to live the rest of your life, it's a problem. When I've got a memo or brief due, on some deadline, but I'm stuck on Reddit looking up one more TRP post, yeah, that's when it crosses the line.
dgrawrpla 5y ago
It's not about morals, or health (assuming protection is used no STD risk yadda yadda), it's about wasting your precious time and energy.
Having sex with a woman is not an accomplishment in any sense of the word, it's something that should be considered like taking a dump. Do you put all that effort in taking a dump? I though so. Imagine if men spent that energy and effort on more creative pursuits, rather than trying to bang the n'th girl, yeah she still got those tits, that vag, like all the other ones. Creating something is much more fulfilling in the long run.
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
And 99% of the time when you put all that effort on more creative pursuits the ladies follow anyways...
SimilarHamster 5y ago
In my opinion, evil is causing pain to a person. If your causing women to have extremely painful relationships repeatedly that is degenerate.
FereallyRed 5y ago
So you're saying you should assume what's best for a woman and protect her from herself? Sounds pretty arrogant to assume women aren't capable of determining whether a relationship is painful or not.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
In my experience women are indeed not cable of determining that
FereallyRed 5y ago
I'm late 40's and have slept with over 200 women. I'm happy, healthy and wealthy. I have a strict moral code.
Define unhealthy and degenerate.
See why discussing morals is simply diverting from the topic into who's ethics are "better"?
AnAbsoluteSith 5y ago
Serious question: How do you hit those numbers without catching an STD? This has been my biggest fear of spinning plates. I opt instead to have numerous long term friends-with-benefits relationships going instead.
FereallyRed 5y ago
I did get chlamydia in university. Cured with a round of antibiotics . But all those phone calls were tough to make.
How do you drive everyday without dying in a flaming 30 car pileup?
Be as smart as you can, delineate acceptable v.s. unacceptable risk, and vet. get tested regularly.
Nobody wants to catch/give an STD (well except for that psychotic gay group in the 80's that would host AIDS parties)
Sleep with more women, accept more risk and vet harder.
But also consider that maybe the fear of the absolute rampant nature of the STD epidemic has been leveraged to keep people from becoming hedonistic and therefore more likely to conform to the rules of society where you have a good job, pay your taxes, fuck our wife maybe, have 1.5 kids and never cause any trouble, plowhorsing doggedly your entire life for an imperative that is not your own?
No way. The church and government would NEVER mislead you on something like that.
It's not as bad as it's portrayed. Like many things that are not in the best interest in society.
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It’s degenerate if I’m likely to hit 40 with an extra 0 on those numbers. And yet, still fun.
FereallyRed 5y ago
Wilt Chamberlain, in his book, "A View From Above" claimed to have slept with 20,000 different women during his life.
They didn't call him "The Stilt" because of his height.
Degenerate?
_-_FanGirl_-_ 5y ago
What do you wish you were asked?
And what is the answer to that question?
RedForEducation 5y ago
What happens in the new infinity war.
And thanos loses
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Kurush559 5y ago
Lots of girls have said they wanted my babies (even when i was 17) and this just terrifies me. I see why its flattering but seriously man, be careful about birth control
TheImpossible1 5y ago
I'm sorry. Women really are terrible.
SimilarHamster 5y ago
_-_FanGirl_-_ 5y ago
But the feelz are so fun!!
trpthrowama 5y ago
Do you guys understand the reason you're quarantined is because you are literally toxic and your ideas harm women?
Heinous_White_Man 5y ago
I hear this constantly in the media and from users such as yourself, but no one actually knows what this means. Please elaborate.
Also, while you're at it, point out one idea that you've seen on this sub that you believe to be harmful to women because, I promise you, they don't exist. If lifting to gain muscle and removing video games to focus on more important endeavors is harmful to women then please explain how.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I understand that you don't understand the meaning of the word "literally".
Also, how do our ideas "harm women"? Or is it that our ideas don't serve the female imperative? If women can be free to do as they please (within the bounds of the law) why cannot men be also?
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
No.
CainPrice 5y ago
Ideas don't harm women. Could you maybe give an example so I know what you mean by "idea" and "harm"? Because based on my understanding of what you just said, you think that the bad things about women I think inside of my head are making women suffer real world damage.
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Modern Western women are already damaged.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
If I understand correctly, a "toxic idea" is one that degrades the holder.
Well, here's a hot take for you: our society is unquestionably feminist. I mean, is that a claim I need to convince you of? Nobody loses his job for admitting to being a feminist. Feminists proudly march in the street (naked, by the way). By contrast, you can lose your job for disagreeing with feminist dogma.
So society is feminist. Congratulations, by the way, on winning.
By the way, how's that working out for the ladies? Well, turns out, women are less happy now than ever before. Oops! It would seem that Feminism is literally toxic.
Look, here's the thing with TRP: if I look back after 10 years or so and I'm less happy, I will drop this shit in a heartbeat. If there was some crazy future timeline where TRP "wins" and society becomes "red pill" the way that Feminism has won and society has become feminist - and in that future men are less happy then you'll have a point.
...but that's not the future you're in. You're in the present where feminism has won and where women are less happy. Maybe it's time for you to question that.
Well, here's the problem though: if it harms women then it doesn't work. And if it doesn't work, then why would you care?
Flip the genders and try to imagine there's a group of women whose ideas about how to get a boyfriend were physically harmful. Maybe these women are telling each other things like, "to get a boyfriend, go up to a guy and kick him in the balls."
That's a fair gender-flip of what you believe about TRP, right? So how should I respond to this group of women who believe they need to kick me in the balls? Well, kicking me in the balls is harmful to me, and I promise you it's not going to work as a method of getting me as your boyfriend.
So why should I care? Anyone woman who tries this is going to fail. I'm never going to date one (especially not after being kicked in the balls). Why should I be angry? Answer: I wouldn't be angry. I would just shake my head.
I think the truth is, you worry TRP is right.
EkMard 5y ago
The first question. It needs addressing. Upvote the question.
At its core, The Red Pill (TRP) is a set of observations attempting to explain, elaborately, human sexual dynamics. It is a toolbox. One is free to take from it what they desire, and use it for the accomplishment of their own goals.
The blame is not on the knife-carver but on the stabber. We do bear responsibilty however. If what you say makes people do vile things, then perhaps you need to re-examine what you say.
The problem, though, is that it is precisely us that women are able to get the most benefit from.
Harming women is a very moral action indeed, if 'harming women' is redefined as 'becoming a man who makes his own way in life, improves his self, places himself above all else, and in the process, becomes an object that women's biology craves.' In fact, in such a case, we do women and wider society the greatest favour, by becoming "literally toxic".
Why are we toxic? Why is the masculine ideal decried as toxic everywhere in Western society? You know the answer. You subconsciously want men to avoid straying towards more masculine pastures.
For if you are a man, it makes you insecure in your (in-)voluntarily chosen lifestyle of believing women, and their seldom-thrown-at-you pristine time and attention, are a source of salvation, and redemption from the original sin of being born male and toxic. And if you are a woman, you fear the loss of pedestalizing you receive from the vast majority of males you see. You instinctively understand that you will have to compete, with other aroused and hungry ladies, for a worthy man's attention.
The quarantine is a mere tool Reddit employs to cut us off from the mainstream portion of Reddit, such that advertisers do not have to share the vicinity of a community exposing harsh truths expropriated from a keen look at the state of modern society. For that reason, it does not need addressing.
Rationality above all else. No really.
haughtyhay 5y ago
Even if our ideas do harm women, which is a ridiculous assertion backed by zero evidence, no one here cares. If by harm you mean offend, nobody has a right to not be offended.
What is harmful is young men growing up being taught that if they want to use their dicks on more than just their own hand, they have to be a sweet, loving, nurturing nice guy. Which leads them right back to their hands.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
How are we "literally toxic"? And give something specific beyond you just disagreeing with what we say here.
And as for harming women, I'm going to call bullshit on that. TRP exists to keep men from being harmed by women.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I ate a lump of ice cold poison for breakfast. Maybe that was it?
MisplacedSanityP 5y ago
It’s hard to take anything you say seriously when you use literally incorrectly. Anyway, how do ideas harm anyone? We have to deal with the claim that an idea can even hurt someone in the first place. Also something that worries me about the idea of certain ideologies hurting people is it sounds like you don’t care if it’s truthful or not, you’re only dealing in this autistic utilitarian idea of whether it harms or helps people. Otherwise, you’d deal with the fact that’s it’s untrue, opposed to the focus on the observed harm done. So two main questions, how do ideas hurt someone, and are you putting potential harm before truth and if you don’t think you are, how?
trpthrowama 5y ago
you get what i mean. people use literally all the time to mean exaggerate figuratively.
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anyway i can't answer everybody so see my reply on harm above.
heronmarkedblade1984 5y ago
Story time! Ok a year ago I had gotten to the point in my marriage that i was ready to say fuck it and walk off into the woods, ide been married 17 years, to my hs sweetheart, We had the kind of early dating relationship that made other people sick. Then a little more than a decade and a 1/2 later I was getting twice a year pity sex and my wife and I couldn't stand to look at each other. We went to 5 different marriage counselors over about a 10 year period. Then religious counseling with her pastor.... Nothing was working we were basically roommates that didn't particularly like each other and would hate fuck on occasion. Then I found TRP and I thought what a bunch of fucktards that's not how you handle a woman or a relationship..... but I kept reading, and things started making sense, I particularly give credit to "Mindful Attraction Plan" in the sidebar, it gave actionable advice rather than just theory and psychology. I read No more Mr. Nice guy, And holy shit did that cut deep in spots, Then I took the advice given here all too often I started lifting heavy 3 days week, I shut up which was rather hard for me, I started dressing better and taking time for me. I started making what I wanted a priority....
The change was like magic, All this time I had been chasing my wife trying to placate her trying to make her happy. All I was doing was making myself look like a little bitch. The best term I've ever heard for it was that women are born with a pussy they're not looking for one in a partner. At 1st my wife had no idea what was going on then she got the sneaking Suspicion that I was having an affair, Which wasn't true at all. Then when she realized that it was the new me and it was here to stay the floodgates opened up. Our relationship is better now than it was when we were dating, She can respect me because I can respect myself, She knows that I have a plan and that I'm going to see it through and that she can come along with me or go her own wayAnd either way I'll be fine. This I believe is the basis for the attraction because my wife doesn't want someone that has no other options.
So I'm not sure how improving a relationship to that degree is harmful for women. I would argue that I actually caused more harm by not being the leader but she needed that we needed in our relationship for all those years.
woyspawn 5y ago
Did she found about TRP? And how did you clear the affair suspicions?
heronmarkedblade1984 5y ago
You dont talk about fight club.
FereallyRed 5y ago
And that's how low level dread works.
heronmarkedblade1984 5y ago
EDIT: As to the affair, I dont care if she was upset, in a way it worked to my advantage because she "Thought" I had an affair which raised my value in her mind. Here's how that thought process probably went down in her head. " oh look hes working out, how cute, bet this doesn't last a week. Is that a new shirt? He never buys new clothes.. wait did he iron his pants? Where is he going on Wednesday nights? Why is he coming home in such a good mood... is he cheating on me..... omg hes cheating on me... why would he do that? ... then she remembers the arguments, and the weight gain, and the lack of sex, and the general bitchy attitude..... and she realized that I had choices, I had options, and that I didn't have to stay with a partner like that. So then she started working on her self, watching what she ate, less shitty behavior, sex a few times a week, simply put the kinds of actions that keep a partner around.
I take a very dim view of cheating in a marriage, and even when I was tearing up a fleshlite I wouldn't cheat, but in her mind the fact that she thought another woman wanted me.... made me suddenly valuable and something worth fighting for.
the_strat 5y ago
"something worth fighting for"
To answer that other question about why we look at women like children. She only wants it if someone else wants it. Just like my toddler. As soon as someone else picks up the toy, suddenly it's all she has ever cared about.
max_peenor 5y ago
This sort of platitude is why we mock bloopers. What does that mean?
Did you die in your chair after reading a post here?
Let's be real here. Give a specific example and I will explain why you are incorrect.
trpthrowama 5y ago
Let's start here
Do you believe in psychological abuse? like if a husband told his wife every day that she's ugly and stupid, do you think that can hurt her?
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
That's abuse, not TRP.
EkMard 5y ago
If he does that, she is likely to end the relationship.
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Kurush559 5y ago
Yes, it can. It also has nothing to do with trp's advice and teachings
BloodSurgery 5y ago
I think you are talking about negging, right? That's not something TRP promotes at that level. Something as simple as "the girl I was with yesterday wore that dress better" or something, but the example you gave is straight up psychopath and manipulative behaviour.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
There is no indication he’s talking about negging; most criticisms of PUA shit at least mention something about PUA shit. He’s probably a low-effort troll, since he went off with a bad-faith loaded question right off the bat rather than addressed any philosophy with criticism
max_peenor 5y ago
I'm not playing connect the dots. If you can give a specific example from what is said here (trolls and spergs excepted), I will address it.
novalentineforyou 5y ago
It's a pretty common sentiment on this subreddit that things would be better off if women couldn't vote or have jobs. I'd say that's a harmful belief to spread.
RedForEducation 5y ago
That's MGTOW guys, and it's a statement of impotence
Heinous_White_Man 5y ago
Not at all. Yes, you'll find a very, very small minority who believe that, but is it a "common sentiment?" Nope. You won't find almost anyone here saying that we should go back 200 years where women had no say in anything and we could rape and pillage as men please.
max_peenor 5y ago
Absolutely not. If we didn't allow women to vote there wouldn't have been a sexual revolution. The revolution was a resounding victory for the top 20% of men. We don't have to give commitment or resources to get steady sex any more. Things are fucking awesome.
I mean, there might be some of the 80% or students of history that might say it's going to destroy their civilization, but that's a topic for another sub.
Vikingcel 5y ago
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redpillcad 5y ago
I'd also like an example of this harm
trpthrowama 5y ago
in the sidebar you guys refer to women as children. there's no subtext here, you actually think women are mentally children.
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how is that not damaging to the women in your lives?
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like, this was how it worked in the 50s, and we as a society all agreed it wasn't right and it was discriminatory. and here you guys are trying to relive the good ol days when racism and sexism were a-okay
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Given the number of brown dudes who showed up here complaining that they couldn't get "hot girls" (by which they meant young, white "sorority" girls - the same girls that white guys want, iow), I wrote a guide to help them. I will have to go back to "Racist" school, I guess because evidently, I'm terrible at being racist.
Vikingcel 5y ago
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Their behavior is refered to as child like, not that women are children. The sidebar assumes the reader is not stupid/nitpicky.
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It is not. Prime example, my mom (I am an incel, she is the only woman in me life, ok). Even my momk is happy when I make decisions and take charge (as you would with a child). I do not speak with her as if she was a kid, because as the sidebar assumes, I am not stupid and I am not trying to be flirty with my own mom. And when I do not make decisions or take charge? Mom can manage on her own, because she is not a child
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If you want to debate, refrain from being all fallacious. Equating taking charge and taking care of a woman when she ' s not being harmed by it in any way with racism is **stupid**. Hmm.... stupid... Wait a second...
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Shady-mofo 5y ago
When we compare them to children there’s a lot of nuance behind it, not something to be taken too literally. Thats not damaging at all in-fact they love it.
redpillcad 5y ago
I define adults as people who control their emotions. Children are controlled by their emotions
Then I look around and call it as I see it.
trpthrowama 5y ago
And you don't think that's unfair to simply label all women with that? Do you think all women are children?
beacuse that sounds like prejudice not logic.
redpillcad 5y ago
I'd put more than half the men I meet in this same category.
As for fair, I really dont care. This mindset works for me.
And works for me is the whole point of TRP.
Not works for you.
Good questions......thx for asking
MisplacedSanityP 5y ago
Women act like children, that is correct. Tell me how that hurts my girlfriend?
Oh, so you don’t want to explain how it’s damaging, you want us to explain why it isn’t. That isn’t how this works, you made a claim, substantiate it.
catattackoh2 5y ago
It hurts your girlfriend because, if she’s your girlfriend and I assume you uphold RP standards, you expect her to respect you, which means you expect her to respect that you consider her at all times to be a child.
Also always found it amusingly hypocritical that it’s expected that women are always respectful or you next her, but disrespecting her is part of the game. It’s like ya’ll never want women to ever grow out of their bratty caricature.
NextBad 5y ago
Man-Child is a socially acceptable term, I see it on TV everywhere, I mean your going to have to read in between the lines
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A women saying men are useless before 33 is way more harmful , as TRP never states men are useless. Yet this is socially acceptable because many women agree, young guys don't make the best marriage material in general.
MisplacedSanityP 5y ago
You are aware we aren't going around calling them a child? Potentially teasing-wise, but not outright. As for treating them like a child, well that's what happens when you act like a child. The best way to treat someone who acts like a child is like a child, with women it works quite well. My girlfriend has never verbalized feeling bad about being treated like a child, nor any girl I have been with since reading TRP material. You're talking about a theoretical harm from the stigma that comes with immaturity vs the actual good it causes in relationships.
It's not that we don't want women to grow out of it, we don't believe they're capable. A lot of the reason men come here is because women aren't logical. They act off emotion more often than thinking through things, one could say they're childish. As for hypocrisy, that's what leads to the ideal relationship for the man. You being respected by her while at the same time using dread(which is the only thing i could guess you mean by disrespect). If you spend some time reading through TRP, it's an idealogy built on what we believe to be practical, not how we want the world to be, hence the red pill blue pill analogy. We wish we didn't have to do this all. We wish it was true that women just loved nice guys and weren't into assholes who treat them like shit. It just simply isn't the reality.
catattackoh2 5y ago
Nah, you’re just calling them a child to eachother. Which to me ain’t diffierent from just saying it to their face.
MisplacedSanityP 5y ago
Well it doesn't matter what it means to you, it is literally very different.
trpthrowama 5y ago
if a man calls his wife ugly and stupid every day, pschologists already agree that's harmful. she'll think less of herself and her mental health is a real thing.
so how is this different?
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
Abuse must by definition be targeted; a specific person must be harmed by malicious action (or in limited cases, negligence).
Offending the public at large is not abuse. And a step further, TRP does not reach out to the public at large, it is a place that someone must go to on their own. If you disagree with TRP principles or figures of speech, then don’t go to the subreddit; nobody is speaking specifically to you anyway.
[deleted] 5y ago
You’re making the assumption that men here are constantly lobbing verbal abuse at women in disproportion to the return rate of verbal abuse from women.
The going argument at TRP is that an individual woman will be happier with a high-quality man. As someone who has spent decades becoming massively-skilled in my field, the other people who are less acclaimed seem a bit like children. They love me for my skill and my advice at work, and I don’t pretend that they are my equals - instead, everyone at the [redacted] benefits from my ability.
TRP’s entire logos writ small is this: women are attracted to superior men. Disprove this, then we’ll really have something to talk about.
TRP then continues the syllogism by being clear that once you become superior enough to reap the rewards of your work, you understand that by definition, it means many people are your inferiors. This includes the women whose biology is attracted to that superiority.
You don’t call women ugly or stupid if you’re this person. A genius doesn’t call everyone around him(or her!) stupid, because they don’t ***need to.
And psychologists also agree, so ya know, that being surrounded by encouraging superiors (amused mastery instensifies) actually helps individuals to thrive and reach their potential.
Last bit of clarification: if you want to be egalitarian about it, TRP encourages an individual to reframe their life after working to become a superior human. It does not say ‘all men are better than all women.’ A closer judgment would be ‘if you want your pick of women, you must become superior to whichever woman you want, and also her adjacent circle of suitors, so that she is attracted to you, and you win.’
Shady-mofo 5y ago
So you mean treating them like children equates to calling them ugly and stupid? What??
nodepostgres 5y ago
That sounds abusive. And I've never heard anyone here advocate for that. Do you imagine people in this sub run around hurling insults at women or something?
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PS: I've had multiple girlfriends say to my face "I'm basically a big child".
trpthrowama 5y ago
But you believe women are children.
and we just established that you agree, if you say it to her it's abusive.
so how is it far from being abusive if you clearly think these things about her? it will show in your actions?
You don't have to call a woman ugly to demonstrate you think it. same with thinking she's a child.
max_peenor 5y ago
Wot? Calling some a child is calling them ugly and stupid?
nodepostgres 5y ago
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What I agreed with is that calling anyone "ugly and stupid every day" would be abusive behavior.
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I also believe that any adult is capable of acting like a child. When I encounter an adult that acts like a child I treat them accordingly - like a child. I most commonly and most consistently see this behavior from women.
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If an adult is throwing a tantrum and I tell them to "stop acting like a child" is that abusive behavior? I don't think so.
[deleted] 5y ago
The ‘women are children’ truism around here is an extension of societal provisioning. Any human who is never weaned from suckling influences cannot fully grow up. Most attractive women have resources flung at them throughout life, and so they MAY but are not *obligated to mature fully due to their intrinsic social standing (until the colloquially-known Wall arrives).
And yes, it’s shallow, but if we’re talking about working on becoming attracitve to women here, you can bet we’re prepending ‘attractive’ as a necessary adjective for them, too.
catattackoh2 5y ago
Literally. I come on here to appreciate the solid advice, insight and approaches TRP offers, but then I get to read a thread that considers me to be a poor friend, a child, and a thot-in-waiting. If I ever were to meet a man and I knew he was Red Pilled I’d probably have a great fuck but I’d never want an LTR.
GiraffeOnWheels 5y ago
I think there's another part of the "thinking of women as children" side that I haven't seen posted. Coming from a mans perspective children are meant to be taken care of and helped. If a child messes up you don't blame them, it's your failings. I see it more as lifting yourself up, taking charge, and being a provider more than putting down women.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Where are all the ugly, redpilled, successful in vagina-acquiring men? There surely has to be a lot of ugly lads who get plates, because they "don't make excuses", right?
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
If you're fugly, poor, out of shape I agree with you, chances of getting some quality pussy are veryyy low.
Of course there are ways in which to optimize your looks you can improve your game etc which all works.
But yes we all have a limit we cannot go beyond. However, most people give up long before reaching this because they're lazy and love comfort.
if you were born with a 1/10 face (unlikely but ok) you will probably never fuck a 10/10 chick unless you become exceptional at something. However, even if you're born with that 1/10 face you can put in the fucking work and you will, I guarantee, fuck 6s and 7s.
I know, everyone wants the 10s but that's just not reserved for everyone.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I'm 51 and not particularly handsome. I'm tall, and not bald (yet) although my forehead is well on its way to becoming a "five-head".
Despite that, my primary girlfriend is 23, 5'8", slender and toned, hair down to her mid-back and would be considered an 9 by most guys. I also have a few side chicks. I worked to make myself exceptional in one or more ways, and now I reap the benefits.
max_peenor 5y ago
Ugly is a bit vague, so let's pick a common theme of unattractiveness coming from the incels--short height. My grandfather, Maximus-peenor, he who laid more pipe than the Romans, was rather short. He laid more pipe than the Romans. He laid more pipe than the Romans. My bother was taller, but a height I hear a lot of people bitch about. He was the smash king in his HS and collage years. I got to watch him work in the latter; he was an absolute master of game.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Rather short is definitely vague as well. Was your grandfather good looking in the face? Where did he live?
A prominent short RPer keeps on hammering down on the height insecure incels. This lad is like 5'4, iirc, but handsome. If you apply some reasonable incel logic, it makes it seem that having a pretty face is such an advantage that being a quasi-midget does not matter.
VeryTalentedCheff 5y ago
I'm 24, 5'6" and for the most part of my life I was at 35% body fat. When I didn't give a fuck about a girl I was able to attract them because I was downright mean, standoffish, naturally funny and a great negger even before I knew the term. But oh boy if I liked a girl I was more blue than my balls and did every single thing to praise the girl. Of course I wasn't having any success with them. At around 19 yo I started to do heroin and lost my last ability to give fucks. I became a little thinner but still was around 25-30%. I was using my asshole game on every single thing with a pussy and holy shit I was actually pulling girls I wouldn't before my addiction. There was some magical shit pulling women to my sorry ass. After some life events with my family I stopped doing drugs and thankfully found trp to turn my life around, from my experience 70% of the job is attitude.
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Height doesn't make you ugly unless you are like 5'1. Body shape and face especially face matter much more
max_peenor 5y ago
While I would agree, that hasn't removed height from the intel list.
CainPrice 5y ago
I don't know if I'm "ugly", exactly, but my face and body definitely wouldn't put me in a magazine selling underwear or get me a role in a boy-band. I consider myself pretty average.
Average guys do okay if their game is good. Ugly guys struggle.
Vikingcel 5y ago
That is the issue on hand.
CainPrice 5y ago
I guess so. I mean, I know I'm not extremely hot. But I'm not facially hideous, super-short, balding, or fat. I work out and dress okay.
There's not really a fixed rubric defining what "ugly" and "average" are. But I don't look like your typical hot guy.
Deadlybeef 5y ago
What? What's your point here?
Vikingcel 5y ago
He is not ugly.
krowitz 5y ago
I'm pretty sure you have seen this on the street at least once. If you really believe deep down inside that you are ugly, I'm not sure the knowledge here can help. It starts with you.
Vikingcel 5y ago
I have never seen an ugly guy with a non-ugly chick. Not to mention that there is no way to tell if a guy is a beta-bux of the relationship.
randomTATRP 5y ago
What? I've seen countless examples of an ugly or underaverage at most guy with a beautiful woman.
krowitz 5y ago
You should probably go out more if you haven't seen this. And whatever their relationship is, it should not matter to you. Make yourself your mental point of origin.
The beta-bux from the outside may not be as beta as you think, or might be as beta as fuck but I can't see how it should affect you.
Vikingcel 5y ago
It matters to me, because I would not want to take a betabux guy having a girlfriend, who is likely cheating on him with some Chad, as a proof that I can be successful with women. If you do not see why that would be foolish, you will disappoint me.
krowitz 5y ago
Again, make yourself your mental point of origin. The information is here. It is up to you to make something of it. We can go on and on but if you never try you'll never know.
EkMard 5y ago
I will let the other, flaired people to answer this one. But I am throwing in my view on this.
People with desirable, racial characteristics, and superior genes, deserve to have more success and more children.
At the same time, if you find yourself an inferior person, then it is delusional to believe that you cannot break into the top tier of men. Fully red-pilled, masculine, and perfect inner game, will always win, even if overall ugly and off-putting.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
This is a tautology.
Define superior genes?
Genes that get passed down get to survive. Those that don't, don't.
EkMard 5y ago
Yes, from a realistic perspective. I threw in an idealistic opinion. That particular reality, I want to be the case, as we move (hopefully) into a Hoppean society in the future. Do tell me if you are not aware of Hoppe, and the "Natural Order".
Vikingcel 5y ago
The question I am asking here is if that is really possible. You cannot just assert that it is.
EkMard 5y ago
I do see that it is possible. Some people are poor-looking but successful in this regard. I don't know how to show you those people. Have you attempted to improve your self, and approach and game? What have the results been.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Yes, I have improved a lot, but as u/Whisper figured out (actually quite accuratelly), I have issues larger than my looks, even though looks are what the issues stemmed from. I was a skinny fat acne ridden late bloomer. I barely finished middle school because I wanted to avoid the collective of my peers at any cost. I dropped out of highschool for the same reason.
I have never approached, but nonetheless managed to pull off a couple of make outs under very specific circumstances. But that's really it.
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Without doxxing everybody on the sub- how do you know ugly guys here aren't getting laid?
Or are you basically suggesting that all of TRP are hotties? (which I'll take)
Vikingcel 5y ago
I have never even seen a guy claim that he is legitimately ugly and yet still pimping.
You likely have not noticed, but most "looks matter not" advice/comments come from self-proclaimed good looking guys. Hell, I even remember a comment from several years back. A handsome, tren-loaded lad was trying to convince me that being confident compensates for bad looks, because one time he pulled ass with a big zit on his nose.
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Definitely not. I am an incel, not a retard. Are most successful RPers good looking at worst? I think so, yes. A good half of FRs are tinder dates. Definitely not a stretch to think that someone getting laid off of tinder is not an uggo.
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Shady-mofo 5y ago
Personality goes a long way. My best friend bagged one of the hottest freshman in college and he looked average at best. I can show you what he looked like.
Vikingcel 5y ago
I am down.
redblueninja 5y ago
VaisiliyZaitsev says he looks like he was made from leftover dinosaur parts.
Vikingcel 5y ago
He also claims he looks rough, sometimes edging to the ugly side.
I know a guy who has a caveman face. Very robust, very masculine. Not a pretty boy by any means, but he is average at worst. Chairman Zaitsev might look like Pierse Brosnan. Rough, sometimes edging to the ugly side, but he is not really ugly.
There is also a trend of guys downplaying their looks.
Whisper 5y ago
I think that the TRP crowd probably is more handsome than average, overall. But not for the reason you think.
You see, the foundation of what we call "game" is *building unshakeable confidence". It's not that ugly men cannot make this journey... but they often fail to start because they believe they cannot succeed.
What might be more instructive than looking for ugly men who have amazing game and get laid a lot (which would require doxxing a lot of TRP), would be to look for handsome men who have no game (these guys can be found anywhere). There are some jaw-dropping dudes out there who simply cannot seal the deal.
I myself have been relatively blessed in this respect (a picture of me on FunSize's desk at work once drew a crowd of other girls commenting that "your boyfriend looks like a movie star"). However, prior to learning some real game, it actually didn't do me much good.
You see, when you are a gorgeous woman, men will come up and hit on you. When you are a gorgeous man, girls will hang around and wait for you to hit on them. Men offer things to beautiful women. Women want things from handsome men.
As a teenager, I was subjected to an amazing amount of mysterious tantrums that I only understood many years later. Girls did not simply fall into my lap.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Not one self-proclaimed ugly guy has responded to my original comment yet. Is that not strange? This is not the first time I have asked this question on TRP and it always goes the same. All kinds of platitudes, but not one ugly lad who slays.
I have no clue how can you extrapolate that ugly guys with game can get laid from that. Give it a serious, honest thought. It is not logical.
I'm not asking just for myself. There is a ton of incel who could be shown the way, if only it was real. Everyone shits on incels. Women, RPers, bloops, FoxNews, everyone. I cannot help with sympathize with those miserable fucks. The halo effect is a scientific fact and you were never ugly, so it always played in your favor. I know how it's like to be an ugly, lonely, depressed fuck and I wouldn't want anyone to have to go through that. Hell, some incel might hang himself tomorrow because of his shitty life and another might be planning to shoot up a school.
Why? Because they have no hope. Getting told to just be yourself does not help. Being told that women don't like you because you are a woman hating incel prick does not help. Being told that looks don't matter by someone who ain't ugly not only does not help, it's irritating as well.
Now, showing incels an ugly guy who bangs decent looking chicks because of game, that's what could actually convince some incel and I am sure that there is a good deal of them that would take the opportunity. I am here for the sole reason that not being able to get laid and not being able to eventually raise my own children with a pretty slavic girl is unacceptable. If I manage to salvage myself, I could salvage other incels and become Jesus of Incelreth.
Whisper 5y ago
You're asking someone to step forward and say "I'm ugly". Then doxx himself to prove it. Of course, this guy ain't exactly model material, but you've probably seen him already.
I'm trained in formal logic, and I understand the difference between necessity and sufficiency. But do you understand that I have demonstrated that looks are not sufficient, and that this does prove that male attractiveness has other elements?
Yes, I know.
But what puzzles me about you folks is how you seem not to understand the options that are laid in front of you. They are:
I'm certain you've read TRP material. But that's the only step of the cyclic process that you have experienced. All of this is intended for readers to go out and try, seeing for themselves what works. If you're only reading, you're not really getting the full delivery of the material.
This is why most of our readers don't march up and demand "proof". Because when they go out and try, that proof is right there for them to see. But there is a certain percentage of people who feel so hopeless that they are unwilling to try something without "proof", not just that it works, but that it will work for you specifically. And you want this before you are willing to participate in any experiment.
Do you see the nonsense here? "Prove it before you test it!" Testing things is how you prove them. You want proof? Run the test. What they fuck have you got to lose?
The reason that all incels are united by their unwillingness to try TRP, is that anyone who is willing to try TRP doesn't stay an incel.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Not one has even done the first part. There have been prominent RPers doxxing themselves to smash feminist pussy off reddit. I've had my face on display a long time too. Unless it's going to be an EC or a mod, barely anyone will give a shit. Roosh is no model, but I wouldn't consider him ugly. He's just ethnic and unkept in the pic you picked.
Again, I don't see how proving that looks alone are not sufficient somehow proves that game can carry someones ugly ass.
It is true that I've been pussy whipped when it comes to meeting women, despite reading TRP for years. I have never cold approached, unwilling to initiate without getting IOI first. Indeed there are things I should work on. It would be better to break my back trying than to not try, I know. I lack the mental fortitude.
Yet, from the outside perspective, asking for proof that is (according to you) readily available, receive none and instead be told to try it yourself is likely just as silly as pulling a Voss.
Whisper 5y ago
Yeah, I get that.
What we're doing here is not really debating at all. We're discussing ways to break this mental block.
You believe that seeing someone as ugly as you claim to be (I have no idea what you look like) absolutely slay it would help.
I'm not so sure. A delusion is defined as a persistent false belief that is resistant to contradictory evidence. Incels are united by the delusion that they are inherently unfuckable (despite the fact that all their genes came from people who didn't have that problem), not due to any common cause, but because people who have this delusion aren't incels.
The only thing I'm sure would actually help this in you would be seeing women start throwing obvious IOIs in response to your changed behaviour and demeanor. I think if I were to show you an ugly guy who slays (like I just did), your treacherous brain would come up with some excuse as to why his situation wasn't analogous to yours (like it just did).
But, this being said, we have a chicken and egg problem. If you won't test the material, you won't see the evidence... because the proof that TRP provides is always personal experience of the student (that being the best proof there is).
Your problem isn't ugliness, it's paralysis. That's why you almost seem unable to hear the idea of relative results... the notion that your results will always be better with study and practice than without, regardless of your natural gifts or lack thereof. That would be a sufficient reason to ignore ugliness and push forward, but it does nothing for paralysis.
So where does paralysis come from. Well, in the case of incels, my answer would be fear. Fear of rejection. More specifically, I'd call it a phobia... "an excessive and irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation".
With a phobia, the fear of the object or situation is so intense that it becomes its own reality. For example, if you have a phobia of spiders, and you see one, you don't actually get hurt... but the fear you feel is so intense that it becomes a form of hurt. And thus the brain comes to regard that fear as justified, because the negative experience of being afraid was so real and intense. Phobias tend to be self-reinforcing.
That's where you seem to be.
If I go out and cold approach, I might, for example, get rejected twice before getting a phone # on the third girl. But those first two rejections would mean nothing to me. I suspect the first one would be so upsetting for you that you would have to stop. And thus your beliefs would find another way to become self-fulfilling prophecies.
In your case, I think I would conceptualize this as a phobia, and treat it in the same way: desensitization using multiple angles of attack.
Starting out with cold approaches right away wouldn't work, because paralysis would set in.
organicfluxx 5y ago
What do you mean by Adrenal loading desensitization (stress-response)?
Whisper 5y ago
Okay, I just checked your submission history.
Hooooly shit, was I ever right. Why the fuck do I ever, ever doubt myself even for a moment, when I am always so fucking right all the goddamn time?
You're not ugly. You're mentally ill. You are caught in the same pattern that make anorexic girls starve themselves to death because they think all their problems are because of "being too fat".
You're above average. Oh, there are some things you could tweak, get even better results, but your problem is not on the outside.
You have a mental block, and your brain is trying to find something concrete to pin it on. Your brain is treacherous that way. Brains like to tell themselves stories, tales that tie everything together, even if that tale is total bullshit.
You. Have. Rejection. Phobia.
Not. Ugliness.
That is why showing you an ugly dude slaying mad pussy would not help you at all. Because that is not your problem.
Vikingcel 5y ago
It's not easy to admit, but you're more or less right.
I'm not hideous, maybe not even ugly. (My chin and whole lower jaw is just weak, but I manage to hide that with facial hair quite well.)
These days I get in situations where my balls demand I cold approach, but I just just can't. I have inborn essential tremor so when I would want to say something I have to focus really hard to just play it cool and not look like I have tertiary syphilis. I turn into a walking vibrator.
I have spoken and kissed women without that happening before, but there's zero carryover from that to situations where my manhood demands being pro-active.
I used to give zero fucks when I was a youngling I used to give zero fucks, but over time I realized that giving no fucks is unviable when you can't back it up. Everyone but me wawas going through puberty and I was just a joke. I was told by girls that I'll never get laid.
I still stand behind my belief that seeing uggos pull ass would help. Being insecure about looks is where the issues all stem from. Now I'm an ugly incel as a preemptive measure against people who would try to get on me by insults.
Indeed, obvious IOI would help me personally. In those situations I have actually done well in the past and managed to shove my tongue inside a womans mounth and feel her up all over. That happens close to never though. More often I get some low level IOI, when some chick at least seems to be eyeing me up, but I either could be mistaken or would have to seize the opportunity on my own behalf and I'm unable to do that, yet.
I have to conquer this, but I'm not sure if I ever will. I'm also kind of ego invested in being ugly, because even though not being crippled by bad looks is objectively way better than being an uggo, I would not be able to set an example for other incels. I'd be just like you. A guy that gets laid buts isn't ugly. No hopeless, bitter incel will listen to a guy like that.
Thanks a lot mate. You have my respect for not giving up on guys like me.
Whisper 5y ago
I understand why you would believe this, but it really wouldn't. You see, as best I can discern, your story-telling brain is engaged in a piece of circular reasoning:
"I am not successful with women, so I must be ugly. Since my ugliness makes me unsuccessful with women, looks must be what attracts them."
Now, in the course of this conversation, we've thrown some light on what's going on with your behaviour. You've had little tiny bits of success when you had a confidence booster that you didn't have to take the initiative to create (an unexpected IOI, drugging yourself up with psychotropics, etc).
But when you must initiate, when you must create an opportunity, then you are paralyzed with fear.
I think you may be starting to understand that this has nothing to do with looks, because no matter how you look, you cannot seduce girls without first talking to them. If you have a psychological state that prevents you from doing that, then your looks don't enter into it.
I understand your explanation of where you got this from. But understanding the origins of a mental illness is not how you make it go away. How you make it go away is to understand and change the thought and behaviour patterns that sustain it, and then systematically change them.
The moment you could talk to a girl while appearing (not necessarily feeling) relaxed and confident, and apply some basic conversational techniques we teach here, it would probably only take you several weeks of trying to get yourself laid for the first time. After that it would get easier as you gained skill.
I could probably achieve this in a couple of months of coaching you if you cooperated fully and worked hard.
But the hilarious thing is, once that happened, then you would NOT be able to "salvage other incels and become Jesus of Incelreth". Because all the incels would look at your story, look at your photograph, and say..
... just like you started out this conversation doing.
For every single incel, realizing that his obstacles are emotional and not physical, is an individual struggle.
organicfluxx 5y ago
Whisper is amazing, bookmark his profile page and read everything he writes everyday.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
You're a volcel, not an incel.
What incels describe as ugly is a face who doesn't fit in the golden ration mask, then use that as a strawman to be losers. If you're looking for an excuse, you'll find it. You think in 1/0. Boolean logic. If not Brad Pitt, no pussy.
Be attractive, don't be unattractive.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Not really, no. Weak chin makes you ugly. Bug eyes, long midface, asymmetry, weak jawline, androgynous features etc. And even if you have some flaws, being ugly is dependent on harmony. Ie., you could have a bulbous schnoz, but if it fits your face, you will not be ugly anyway.
No incel thinks that. If blackops2cel, no pussy. Now that is something all incel would get behind.
Persaeus 5y ago
this guy is ugly as fuck. somehow managed to get married and have a kid.
i see hideous looking dudes with wedding rings on all the time. how do you not see this moving around IRL?
Vikingcel 5y ago
I have seen ugly lads with wedding rings. I have also seen their ugly, post-wall wives with wedding rings.
Persaeus 5y ago
Ahhhh, so not so much involuntary as selective beyond your capabilities.
Two things - it doesn’t work and that way and you have to start somewhere. Fuck some uggos and work your way up the ladder
Vikingcel 5y ago
Being a BB to some uggo is unacceptable. I would not drink sewage even if thirsty.
Persaeus 5y ago
I said nothing about bux. You know you can fuck em without getting married right?
Something about horse and water
redhawkes 2 5y ago
The probability to win all of those traits is close to none.
If any of those 'shortcomings' are separating you from pussy, you're no lifting hard enough.
Vikingcel 5y ago
You do not have to be borderline disfigured to be ugly. Even if 20% of men were ugly, it is still a 1 in 5 chance.
I do lift hard. Not being a 150lb lanklet has affected how other men treat me way more than how women treat me.
Are YOU ugly and living the good RP life? Where are all the ugly fucks who overcame their shortcomings (and you have to be delusional to not consider being ugly a shortcoming)? Answering those questions would make the platitutes we get ad nauseum a big deal of legitimacy.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
This is where you're missing the game part.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Might be the case. I do not cold approach.
Persaeus 5y ago
if you some interesting hobbies, plenty of opportunity to warm approach
Self-honest 5y ago
It's fun. You should do it. Because it's fun. And if you're having fun, she's having fun. Obviously there are exceptions.
OrdinaryWhiteGuy 5y ago
What're y'all doing for valentines day? Do you ever buy gifts for your partner(s)?
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
I'll buy her a rose and take her out to dinner then give her really good dick. Also yes I bought a Christmas gift and something for her birthday. Not expensive. She buys me more expensive shit.
Also, I once bought her a random present (perfume) because I was in an exceptionally good and generous mood.
4thAndLong 5y ago
No gifts except Chrismas because I fucking love Christmas. For Valentines I'm making us dinner then giving her some good dick.
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I have kid responsibilities so I’m sitting this one out.
I was looking for a gal to go out with and do fake-proposals in public. Get free drinks. Wanted to mix it up with some rejections and/or drama as well. Sounds like a great time.
MentORPHEUS Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Dinner in with the main GF. Valentine's night, like NYE and Mother's/Father's day brunch, is restaurant amateur night.
Yes I buy gifts, but throughout the year, not just for V-day. There's an economy of scale possible too. I've honed a system of divvying up a $5 mixed bouquet 5 ways. At $1 and 20 seconds prep time per woman, it's one of the most cost effective tokens of affection money can buy. Even though I make good money, no sense pissing away good money on ephemerals. I'd rather splurge on shared experiences.
NextBad 5y ago
My white believes it's a commercial holiday , but I do use romance from time to time , she really enjoys it
SeamusAwl 5y ago
No. She gets my time and attention.
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nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
My advice, if this were a question in askTRP, would be that thoughtful gifts outside of V-day are worth substantially more than any gift given on the day. I would say go ahead and get flowers for you girl, go ahead and cook a nice romantic meal, but stay away from anything more cliche than that, because it's going to seem like you're just doing your duty.
By contrast, even really small gifts outside of Valentine's Day will have a much more significant impact. And I'm not necessarily talking about things you buy with money. I'm talking about things that would have a story behind them. The story you tell the girl about why you picked the thing up is more important than the thing itself, and significantly more than the price.
atticusfinch1973 5y ago
I bought her socks and a card, plus a card from my kids. I buy her gifts all the time if I think she needs something or wants to feel better.
CainPrice 5y ago
Hotel with a kickass bar, dinner reservations, and a hallmark card.
It's been over a year, though, with sex 3-4 times a week on the average, so she's earned it. My first gift to her was a pack of gum.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Took her overseas this year
FereallyRed 5y ago
Experiences, small gifts.
max_peenor 5y ago
I do stuff that makes loud noises on Vagina day.
I bought an entire life for Legal Cohabiting Female. It think that's enough. In fairness, I was never one for prescription gift giving and am typically generous outside of specific dates. However I learned early on that material romanic gestures didn't actually enhancing mating opportunities and how I was treated in return.
krowitz 5y ago
Me and my LTR walk around to watch other couples fight.
Persaeus 5y ago
solid play
EkMard 5y ago
I am in a half-Sharia state. No thanks.
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redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I get flowers and make dinner for my LTR.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Damn MISOGENIOST
Omnidempotent 5y ago
For how long can we enjoy the decline? If things continue to get worse, eventually it will get to point where it is impossible to enjoy it. When will that happen?
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
How bad it can go? They need dicks at the end of day.
If they go full amazon and enslave men, that would be bad tho.
CainPrice 5y ago
If it gets to a hysterical point where men face a fine or jail time for talking to a woman unsolicited, that would be bad.
If it gets to a point where young boys are being medicated to reduce their natural testosterone production with the excuse that it will improve their attention and performance in school, reduce violence and aggression, and improve their behavior, that's an issue.
Where things are today, with women having casual sex with guys they want to have sex with, and lots of guys being unhappy with how little sex they're having? That's not an issue. That's cry-babies.
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I think you're addressing Pareto-compression and how far society can sink into entitled expectations.
Say you're hypergamous, and you jump from bottom-80 into top-20. Then you somehow manage to jump from that top-20 into the new top-20 (top-96th), then from there you jump once more from top-96th to top-99.98th. Well, can you jump again?
The answer, of course, is very likely 'no' – but the true decline will come later. Now, women are only ever ravenously interested in the top men (I'd say 90th percentile and up), but it's possible for carousel rides starts to start only qualifying for the 98th-and-up. Ergo, you'd have to be a male-model and a multi-millionaire, or a Swiss Commando, to have any chance of pulling.
That world will come eventually, because the media makes our standard of 'average' drastically inflated. Something something 'influencers.'
But you and I won't have to worry about it, because that'll be once gene-editing makes its debut for the wealthy.
holden36 5y ago
When we are removed from our homes while Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is renovating them to the 5 star green energy rating required under *The New Green Deal.
The men shall be led to delousing showers.
Omnidempotent 5y ago
That's what I'm getting at. You can only enjoy the decline until things get so bad that heads start rolling.
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Omnidempotent 5y ago
You have the ability to do that because of the liberal society we are in (assuming you are western). Would you be able to act the same way in, say, Soviet Russia?
RedForEducation 5y ago
Anyone with any sense would have thrived in stalins Russia.
Some of the stories from there showed to what lengths they did
vandaalen 5y ago
what happened to it?
PimPedOutGeese 5y ago
Biological principles stays the same regardless of culture. Eg: Men and women will always strive for the best possible mate.
My opinion here but...
I feel TRP concepts work extremely well in the west and western Europe. But I feel the biggest barrier would be linguistics. But could work just as well in Mother Russia
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max_peenor 5y ago
Yes. This is fundamental. We aren't saying the world will end. We are saying the world will end as you know it. The human race will keep plodding along.
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max_peenor 5y ago
Absolutely. Though it's wierd how often people equate "enjoy the decline" with "Armageddon."
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
Can a woman be happy with a guy she cheated?
That guy was a cuck that wait her at home while she ride a bull for once. Will her forget this or will this stay permanently in corner of her mind while she thinks him.
rus9384 5y ago
If hypergamy theory is true, yes. If false, the answer is unknown. Science tells us that women's preferences are different during various stages of their cycle. This leads to an old Marx's theory that women are promiscuous. I actually don't believe that women are consistent in their preferences even for what they count as alpha traits.
max_peenor 5y ago
Does he still have a wallet? Yes? Then he still has value to her, just not the value he should want to be for her.
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
This is a hypothetical question. They dont like these at asktrp, I asked here.
She can stay for money. But can she be happy if she stops fucking around and have sex with him only?
max_peenor 5y ago
When are women ever happy?
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
Feeling secure and loved/well fucked. I wonder if she will always see the man as cuck.
Vikingcel 5y ago
Oh, riiiight....
Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 5y ago
Have fun incel
Vikingcel 5y ago
Have fun, hypothetical cuck ;)