TL;DR since the OP failed to include one...

Martial arts is great for two primary reasons:

1. It's great exercise.

2. It develops confidence.

Tertiary benefit:

• Gives you a means for displaying protector qualities that may trigger attraction that tall men enjoy naturally.

Man, I keep reading these comments and All I AM seeing is guys trying to protect they’re ego.

Being big and tough, and tall does not matter in a fight, all that matters is the DOG in you, willing to die to beat the motherfucker, with trainning in any combat style you achieve that.

Guys, everybody’s got a chin, being big and buff does not defend your chin, if some big ass dude comes to fight me and he has his hands low or not protecting his chin, he gets ko’ed stiff.

Knowing what to do, when to do it is everthing, you can lift as much as tou want if you fight a giu that is doing mma tou are fucked.

220 lbs gorrila, some street fights here and there vs 155 lbs mma fighter, experiece in stand up and blue belt BJJ , think , who would win? And btw we ,,mma” fighters atack the eyes, kick the balls and all the nasty stuff, we fight good in the ring outside its a dogfight for sure.

10+ years of Muay Thai over here.

The feeling you have can be described as blue belt confidence.

Training does not mean you can take people who don't. A dude bigger than you who is just rougher and from a harder place will fuck you up even if he has never been to a fight gym in his life. The most technically skilled person does not always win fights.

I'm in a stand your ground state. Which means, if your try to Bruce Lee me or whatever, you will catch a few 230 grainers right quick, and it's legal.... I have no duty or obligation to retreat lol. All that empty hands shit is great, I still box and dabbled in Krav Maga for a few months off and on in my early 20s. But here's the thing, you never know what a guy has... Those dudes coulda been strapped. Maybe just one had a piece or even a knife or maybe all of them had glock 19s with HSTs, cocked and locked ready to rock. 15+1 little deathflowers that will turn you into Swiss cheese at 1000+ feet per second. Ain't no BJJ or Muay Thai gonna help you there. At all. You will take the room temperature challenge.

You never know. Best to be low key and not be to tough guy. You just never know. Even a blade is highly effective in CQB, unless you really know how to defend against it, you're probably fucked. Just be careful. There's always another dude tougher, meaner, more skilled, crazier, and more capable than you. You just never know.

Hell yeah. Knowing how to fight is just part of being a man. The reason us men are big and strong is so that we can do work and protect our women. If you can do that you hold value as a man.

Tbh you sound like a little bitch i agree its good to train martial arts but you cant beat them all so what if youve been trainig 3 years or more maybe u suck maybe u dont idk but you cant beat em all stop lying to these people even mike tyson was a beast people thought he would never lose well guess what he did my point dont geto overconfident with that because you dont know what might happened

The sport-fighting meme has to be euthanised, and soon. Blue Belt Confidence is real and dangerous for the sufferer. Ex-prisoners scare me much more in combat terms than MMA practitioners.

I've been interested in doing MMA or something similar as a compliment to lifting but have always thought about two things:

1. Cost? What would you pay for these gyms? Are some complete rip offs?

2. More importantly, what if I get a black eye or break an arm during training? I have a career where I need to be presentable at all times and always in front of customers.

What advice would you give to these points?

You're still insecure as hell. A true alpha will never worry about how alpha or beta he's coming across and won't try to start shit with everyone because he doesn't feel threatened. You have a lot more to learn but you're on the right track.

On the one hand, I agree about training martial arts. On the other hand, however, sparring in the gym and being surrounded by several dudes that are hostile to you are two different things. If those guys really wanted it, they could have waited for you outside and no matter how good of a fighter you are, go up against 5 dudes and your chances go down drastically unless you are some experienced, battle-hardened with over 30 years of experience fighter. I have been training kickboxing for 5 years and was still a major beta up until fairly recently and trust me, nothing I've learned from the gym helped me against my raging oneitis when I had it and that was fucking me up big time. There are mental benefits to martial arts that are indeed huge but it won't make up for not paying attention to TRP and allowing yourself to do beta shit. Learned that the hard way. Might be different for you, I hope it is. It's just that some of the things from your post aren't what TRP preaches and you kind of come off as a tryhard the way you framed your story in this post. Still, though, kudos for employing MMA confidence in real life, it seems to be working for you better than it has worked for me.

Some humility will help you. While fight training definitely promotes frame (particularly with strangers), You're off base.

No more worrying about that big guy at the bar hitting on your girl or an angry ex. When you walk in a room you are automatically the alpha.

Didn't need any fight training for that. RP knowledge and lifting alone did that for me. No longer gave any fucks about the big guy hitting on the girl 'cuz she wasn't mine to begin with and I don't mate-guard, and well, any angry exes can fuck off. Entering the room weighing 204lbs at 11%BF shows more alpha than any fight training.

There is a special kind of confidence that comes with knowing you could make anyone in your immediate surroundings your bitch.

Really? Guess my academy is really weird. Seems the guys that have been around longest (AKA most liable to 'fuck you up') also look and act least like the part. Most dangerous guy at my club? Looks like a caricature of Glen Quagmire from family guy. I'd love to watch you make him your bitch.

good shit man........... thats where its at ..... your inspiring me to keep hitting that gym ,,, and keep learning to fight

Have a solid 3-2 years of wreslting/bjj mixed with Muay Thai/boxing and you're set for life in terms of basic killer self-defense. Stop it when you want to be a bodybuilder.

if we get in a fight i'm going to pull your earlobes, gouge your eyes, bite your ear and pull your nuts off

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I’m thinking about starting mma for like a month or two now, and this post made me decide that I’ll really go and try it out. Muay thai. Any guy here who trains it? How do you combine it with the gym? I still want aesthetics to be my #1 priority.

Boxing for me, plus shooting at the range and basic militray training is always good shit.

I'll stick to just normal lifting and packing heat.

Why swing my monkey hands in self defense when I can have a fancy boomstick?

Mma is cope.

Focus on weights and no one will mess with you, you dont even have to fight

You can't be good at lifting and MMA - you have to pick one. Your lifting will suffer from MMA, and MMA will suffer from lifting. Lifting soreness compounds all the microinjuries and vice-versa. Pick one, do it for a few years then maybe do the other one as well if you built solid foundations. I tried really hard to reconcile the two, but it's impossible.

Unless you taking da magic chems or you just casually spar and you are not interested in competing or doing it seriously, in which case you can do both.

Street fights aren’t about who is a better fighter but who is willing to go further in terms of breaking the law. Maybe you’ll get the knife from me before i cut you, but i doubt it.

Sounds to me you got some insecurity to work on..

I train MMA myself but the more I train, the more I don't want to get involved in physical conflicts because I'm aware of what I can do and damage I will potentially take.

Training MMA doesn't mean you can take anybody.. I roll and spar with newbies and they are dangerous. They can't control themselves. They spaz, uncontrolled kicks and punches and those leads to injuries sometimes.

Yes it definitely adds confidence but.. Just chill man. Let the guy talk and if ever something happens, you know how to handle yourself in the situation.

BJJ for over a year now. I come from a long sports background, and BJJ is one of the hardest things I've ever done. It's certainly not for everybody. It's truly incredibly to look back on my progress over the past year. The first 3 months were absolutely brutal. I left my first session ready to puke - a feeling I hadn't felt since intense high school track practice. I'm still a white belt, but I know enough now to repeatedly tap out my peers, and even some higher level belts. I also still consistently get wrecked. It's truly humbling and it never stops. You just continue getting beat. There's always someone better.

The funny thing is - I feel far less likely now to ever get in a street fight. I get all that energy out at the gym... but I also have a newfound respect for what the human body is capable of. Getting submitted by somebody who weighs 40 pounds less than you is an eye-opening experience.

you sound like youre going to wind up in jail.

As a former BJJ/MT trainee, I understand this post fully, but you are sending a lot of the wrong messages. Being a true alpha is about self mastery and social skills, not assuming you can kick everyone’s ass. I used assuming specifically. In modern civilized society fighting ability is nowhere near social status in terms of power. It’s a good hobby to have, but certainly not a focal element.

Edit: was not saying learning to fight is a bad move. Quite the contrary, it’s a great skill to have. But it shouldn’t be a primary focus of self improvement

True that. MMA is the best thing you can do for your body

I can vouch for MMA increasing your masculinity among other good shit like discipline and frame. I wrestled and if i didn't I'd be a fucking neckbeard right now.

Just started training in BJJ 11 months ago, at 39. No matter who you the first few years are humbling. Nobody is a natural that doesn’t struggle regardless of size, strength and athletic ability coming in. I am a big guy (6’4 305 to start, down to 267 at 23% bf) and obviously need to lose a lot of weight now but I boxed and wrestled through high school and was never in a situation where I was worried about being physically hurt by another guy. I was rarely if ever physically humbled but my first 4 months of BJJ was extremely humbling. I always had that confidence. What I like about BJJ is that it feels like my HS and College sports teams. You have a good group of guys being guys, specifically in the early AM and later night classes with the more serious guys. You will actually make new friends as an adult, which isn’t really normal for guys. Good friends, not acquaintances. Most BJJ practitioners in my experience are pretty good guys. I can go to other schools in different areas while traveling and you still feel like home. There is little external ego even among the biggest bad asses. They are so internally confident that they don’t have to huff and puff. The grind and mat time make you a better person. You grow, you win, you lose, you get choked out, you get hurt and it feels good. If you can keep your cool while getting choked out, keeping frame is a non issue.

If you're looking for fights constantly one day you're gonna find one and it's gonna end badly for you.

That being said yeah training a combat sport is a great way to both stay fit, learn self defense skills, and meet people.

I chose boxing over MMA personally (the grappling game of MMA is just boring to me and I've been a boxing fan for a decade now as well). I know MMA is definitely more practical for self defense but I just prefer the sport of boxing more.

It's a great way to meet new people as well. My local boxing gym has a good mix of the group cardio classes and the smaller technique-based ones. So I go to 2 cardio classes a week to keep my cardio up and it's always a good male/female mix. Then my other 2 classes a week I focus more on actual technique because I'm trying to fight amateur one day. Then on other days I usually just hit heavy bags by myself.

I've started sparring a few months ago as well and it's really fun. Nothing will get your adrenaline pumping quicker than heating a straight right hand on the chin and feeling your legs wobble a bit.

I did BJJ for 3 months. It was 3 months of losing to 20 guys and being able to win with one consistently. Would not repeat

I am a very large wrestling coach who helps train at an MMA gym, and I agree that these factors give one a certain swagger. I could probably rag-doll 95% of men on the planet, but I'm old and smart enough to know that there is always someone tougher, and someone who is willing and able to blow your fucking brains out. Please, temper you testosterone with clear thinking.

not that i would advocate any such behavior, but lets say i have a friend who was an amateur level fighter. He found physical attention from girls to be gained easier due to the physique one gets from being in excellent shape, and the confidence of being able to physically handle challenges.

After a period of time, this friend fell under hardship and began distributing less than legal substances to support himself. The friend began wearing high priced yet intimidating clothing and haircuts from these ill gotten gains, carrying a weapon and in general not giving a fuck as well as riding a motorcycle. During this period he noticed that women flocked to him and the biggest challenge was deciding which hoes were too shady to fuck with.

my point isnt to put your post down or demean in any way, i would like to simply reiterate that women are fickle, illogical creatures and care more about attitude and style than anything else related to what you have accomplished in life.

The last line of defense for a man's frame is physical.

Your frame is nothing if another man punches you in the face, and you can't defend yourself- in that moment you're completely within his frame as you lay there getting your shit pushed in.

As you said, women give you more leeway on beta behaviors because they know that at the end of the day you'll be a winner and the PUAs will be one snarky comment away from being another man's bitch.

Definitely. I wanted to ask the general TRP community a general question.. I'm a college student. If I don't have a budget to do both, should I either learn MMA or join the gym to build muscle? Thanks.

You know what they say.

If they know you know how to fight and they don't. What you think is gonna happen?

They are gonna have a knife and/or pistol waiting for you.

The setting is in real life, not on the mat or in a ring.

I hate to break your confidence, but let's see how well you fair up against a pistol.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't continue training, but you should also realize not everyone is going to agree to a fair fight. And by fair, I mean no weapons.

Edit: I don't think you've ever been in an actual fight before on the street. Most guys know they don't know how to fight, so compensation via weapon it is. Run up to one of those guys and we'll see how many leg kicks you can get in before you get shot/stabbed.

I think Jon “War Machine” Koppenhaver needed to realize this long ago. But,sadly it’s too late for him. Some men cannot handle the power they possess.

The fastest route to defeat is underestimating your opponent.

because i knew i could fuck them up if they disrepected me in any way shape or form

This isn't what martial arts is about. Reminds me of a quote by a swordsman named Miyamoto MusashiThe, "the ultimate goal of martial arts is not having to use them"

If someone is being disrespectful, it's better to let them think they're a hardass than risk someone getting seriously injured. Even if it makes you look like a punk. So what if people think you're a bitch for not choking/knocking out some loudmouth? let em think that. Sometimes if someone is really crossing the line, I'll tell them they're more than welcome to drop by my boxing gym so we can get a few rounds in, that'll usually shut them up. But there are just too many things that can go wrong in a street fight. You wanna drop that mentality of "I could fuck them up if they disrepect me". Save your training for legitimate self defense scenarios and competition. You get nothing out of beating on someone who isn't trained, and it's just bad karma. There isn't much more disgusting than a trained fighter fucking someone up just because they can, even if that person kinda deserved it.

P.S. y'all should look into Musashi's philosophies, that guy had the mindset of a true alpha.

This guy was so redpill I almost wanted to commend him, jacked, was a total dick to women, broke it off with her to fuck bitches and im sure she still had feelings at this point

Very interesting. Just out of curiosity, what % of the male population do you feel this applies to? Would this “jock” be in the top 1%? The top 5 or 10%?

What about if you were to take an average EC from TheRedPill, is he in the top 1% in this respect? The top 5 or 10%?

I just took up bjj yesterday im 40 very good for over all mentality