The Female Orgasm Is Trivial - "If a woman decided to have sex with you, that means you provide value to her besides the sexual. Whether you give her an orgasm or not is irrelevant, and she will continue seeing you even if the sex was uninspiring. "
If the female orgasm was abolished, women would continue to have sex because the act of sex, of feeling a man thrusting deep inside them with masculine power, is pleasing to the woman.
I don't think the female orgasm is irrelevant, but even on TRP it seems like guys put pussy on a pedestal when it comes to sex. I always put my pleasure first during sex and never ask whether the girl likes it or not. They are turned on by my masculine attitude. I can make girls cum just by fucking them with my rock-hard cock, without using any fancy tricks.
But then I only fuck them raw like a real man, and always finish in the pussy. That's the ultimate turn-on for girls as well. If you are a beta cuck using condoms I don't think you can make them cum so easily just by using your dick.
So I've kind of found the opposite to be true? When I can consistently finish her off a few times per session I find she'll overlook a lot of behavior on my part that would normally push her away. I've had woman say things like "you're so good to me" afterwords and in my head I'm thinking wtf is she talking about? On that same note when I was a teenager just starting college and sexually inexperienced I dated a girl in her twenties and ultimately I couldn't get the job done and it seemed to taint everything else. Would love to hear people's thoughts on this - I've been pondering a lengthier post on the subject but I don't have enough material or a cogent hypothesis yet.
This. When I was recovering from getting hit by a car I had no value besides my cock. I was massively in debt. Body went to shit. Had no life. But I was good for one thing and that’s what they came for.
I completely agree, this was not a good read. First of all, the article equates orgasm with a women's pleasure during sex. Second of all, women do what's reinforcing. if it doesn't feel good for them, they won't come back. Now in my experience, 99% of women get off from you treating their bodys like your own pleasure toy, so it's a moot point most of the time.
Yea I lean more towards what you're saying than the article.
In today's environment, women can find resources/ commitment/ attention anywhere.
What they are missing is the alpha fucks.
She is craving a strong dominant man who can toss her on the bed and fuck her till she's making animal noises into her pillow.
Everything around "game" is just the first step, and is geared towards getting a girl to let you have sex with her. But after that, sex becomes the main thing, the most important thing (in terms of maintaining her attraction, her genuine desire, and creating an overall smooth and healthy relationship).
Also sexual availability and enthusiasm is the number one way to judge how much your chick is into you.
How many "outliers" in percentage form do you think defy this phenomenon out there in the sea of women? Maybe thats like asking how many women out there have low sex drive?
I think your sex game won't matter as much for the same percentage of girls who are "good girls" with traditional backgrounds and very low n-count.
I'm not sure what the percentage is, but it's pretty low. Most girls today are fairly promiscuous, and that means they will be much less likely to tolerate being with a guy who can't fuck her good and make her come.
Also, it obviously won't matter as much for girls who you are taking the "beta bucks" route with, as they will only be interested in your resources anyways. But that is a losing strategy from the start, as we all know.
The solution? Fuck more girls and improve your sex game. Remove your ego from it, and take a student's perspective willing to learn and try out new stuff. Also, make a point of being in the moment during sex, connecting with your most fundamental sexual desires, and enjoying yourself.
Your whole comment could’ve been “read SGM and execute”
Got a gal that keeps texting me about how I’m the only one that hurts her like she wants. Tells me she’s normally dominant in bed and she loves how I take control of her. Our kinks complement but I don’t like her that much. That’s what sucks about kinky girls, they’re usually broken. The unicorn hunt continues.
I think you missed the point of even the title. If you hold frame correctly and she makes the choice to sleep with you, almost any level of sex, even bad, will not make her leave. But, if your frame is weak, the sex best make her walk funny for three days if you want her to come back for more.
If you hold frame correctly and she makes the choice to sleep with you, almost any level of sex, even bad, will not make her leave.
I don't think one can really hold frame in a sexual relationship if they suck at sex. We can talk about how it's theoretically possible for days, but in practice I just don't see it happening for guys who aren't millionaires or celebrities.
Posts like "you don't even have to get her off!" are misleading because 99% of relationships where she's lukewarm on the sexual component involve duty sex. That sort of thinking will trick a beta bucks into thinking he's figured it out ("she still has sex with me even if I don't get her off!"), when in reality she's just sprinkling enough sex in the relationship to make sure she gets what she wants out of it.
This was my last relationship. I figured out how to be alpha in bed while I was still beta in everyday life. It was better than nothing, but still turned out as you'd expect.
Came here to say this. There are past plates Ive done things to, like make them squirt, thet they had no idea that it was even possible. Even if they are in a relationship, i can text them if they wanna squirt again at nearly any moment, and many of them start an attempt to set up a meeting.
I am interested in your strategy for how you teach a woman to be a squirter. I'm already well practiced enough to where I can give any woman startling amounts of orgasms and have them consistently re-open lines of communication for casual sex for years to come.
I feel like turning on their crotch cannon would keep em coming back for life lmao
So its actually really interesting, because ive tried to treat it as scientifically as possible to try to perfect the craft, haha. Ive found that if you enter her with your dominant hand's middle and ring fingers, palm up, and make a "come here" motion with both fingers, pressing on the roof/tummy of the vagina with moderate pressure and steadily increasing speed seems to work best. You may need to move your wrist/arm forward and back a little bit as well, theres no wrong way to do it, as long as with every "come here" flick. Youll know you're doing it right when you feel and hear (yes, i said HEAR...it will be the sound of the wetness moving through your fingers.) her get wetter and wetter and wetter, and youll want to speed up as fast as you can physically go until she explodes. Your fingers and wrist tendons will burn and be fatigued, but keep going and dont stop. Some girls simply cannot squirt no matter how hard you try, some take a couple minutes, some take 10 seconds. I have a preference for Asian girls, Korean and Chinese girls mostly, and about 90% of them Ive encountered can squirt. With white girls, that figure is lower, probably closer to 10-20%, so YMMV. Of course this is all anecdotal. I hypothesize that its a genetic thing of sorts. Its important that they are as relaxed and comfortable as possible. If she says she has the urge to pee during the process, tell her to just let it go, and to trust you, its not pee, shes just about to have her first squirting orgasm.
No it's not. Read that same article you've posted.
Some women can produce a small volume of milky fluid with presence of PSA (real female ejaculation, from their Skene glands). And some other women produce a larger volume of clear/yellowish fluid without any trace of PSA (urine). You can find even a mixture of both fluids: a larger volume of mostly clear fluid with traces of PSA in it.
Some women can produce a small volume of milky fluid with presence of PSA (real female ejaculation, from their Skene glands).
That's not the liquid produced when squirting. Squirting by definition is not a "small volume" activity.
You can find even a mixture of both fluids: a larger volume of mostly clear fluid with traces of PSA in it.
If I pee after sex and my urine has traces of semen in it, that doesn't make my urine not urine. Squirting involves urine, even if it has traces of other fluids.
I find it dishearting to admit that my personal experience aligns with such train of thought.
Women stay hooked on me when I show disinterest and value, while investing in others will just run over their heads and 'waste my potential' as they so like to call it.
But allas it is not quite as simple.
There is a long way between calling Orgasms trivial and believing they are the be-all and end-all of female expectations.
Truth is, it is merely one parameter. A simple number allong the many requirements her culturally intensive environment has pushed upon her.
Ultimately, the message isn't so much to not satisfy a women sexually. Rather, it entails not to seek approval from women. Ignore her complaints and criticism, especially when they stem from emotion rather than reason.
tldr ; you shouldn't be so concerned about her. She gets her fill, that's great. If not, it's up to her to fix it, not you (by building more attraction, and not nagging).
This girl I'm fuck buddies with now was head over heels for the guy before me. He's a fucking loser Asian guy with a micro penis. She said she wouldn't even feel it go in, and he would have to finger her to give her any sexual pleasure. Ironically, he cheated on her a bunch and she was pretty devastated. Also ironically, she claims to be completely in love with me but I know she wouldn't LTR me.
If she's got you pegged as a long term provider, sort of. She had other plans for you anyway.
If she was with you for sex in the first place...then no. You didn't satisfy.
Even as a long-term provider orgasms sweeten the deal. They're not the the most important thing in her life for most women, but they do like them (just like we do.) Not being able to give her one means she's less satisfied with you and more likely to try someone else.
If she was with you for sex in the first place...then no. You didn't satisfy.
Sums it up perfectly. A big focus here is getting women interested in sex for the sake of sex -- not just becoming a better beta and getting a hotter woman to give up monthly duty sex. If she's interested in sex for the sake of sex, and the sex isn't good for her, she's not going to maintain that interest for long.
Yes. Women go through stages too. When they're younger and just looking for sex then forget betas they're into alphas. But if he can't satisfy sexually then she's off looking for someone else because it's all she was looking for anyway.
Heavily disagree with Roosh on this. She'll still fuck you, sure. But she'll get the rip-up-the-sheets sex from someone else, quite often while still with you. Not taking responsibility for your shared sexual experiences is a great way to get consistently cheated on.
Further, bonding hormones are released in high dosages when women orgasm (that much beloved pair bond), so if you are interested at all in LTRs it behooves you to learn how to make her cum and cum hard with great frequency.
It is the frame. By not giving a shit and focusing on sex as something you're going to be present in and enjoy selfishly to the fullest (as opposed to thinking like "well if I hit at this angle and stimulate the clit from behind while I pound her, I can get her to cum" ) you will on average be better in bed. By not worrying about her pleasure and clearly being in it for you, you won't give every woman a world class sexual performance, but as long as you're competent, most of them will orgasm as a result of feeling your genuine arousal.
SGM is a great book, but the attitude of sex as something that you're focused on enjoying for yourself, rather than an opportunity to "wow" a girl is something many guys can't grasp. SGM is way too focused on this idea of "you have to give her dominance, variety, emotional, etc" or she won't be maximally sexually satisfied.
And that is where the "who gives a shit" should come in - you should focus on you being maximally satisfied, as assuming you aren't a retarded jackhammer and there's no frictional issues, she'll be satisfied as a byproduct.
Save the SGM for a plate that's proven herself and you want to reward.
It boggles my mind that people here can't grasp it. If you stop caring about her orgasms, she'll take care of them herself. She'll do her best to make you make her cum. And it'll be better for everyone.
People think that the 'who cares about her orgasm' sentiment means you do a one-and-done pump on her and leave. It couldn't be further from the truth. You go on and you have the wildest, most selfish sex you can imagine, fulfill all of your own desires and the rest will take care of itself.
Perhaps I'm one of the many that are unable to grasp the frame that you're describing, but I get the selfish enjoyment you mention by having a her body and mind be under my complete control, responding when and how I want, as described in SGM. It's easy, almost mechanical to get my own enjoyment - there's only so much variety in how many ways you can stick a cock in a hole, after all.
Her being a quivering pile of meat and fluids once I'm done is far more enjoyable for knowing I have the power to do so, rather than wanting to make it about her enjoyment over my own.
Also, at a neuro-chemical level, being able to have her associate your presence with consistent experiences of high dopamine and oxytocin spikes means you end up being her go-to source when she's sensation-hungry - a particularly important hook for women with low impulse control (sluts).
You are correct in that you must absolutely come from a frame of giving her orgasms because you genuinely desire to.
But the notion that guys shouldn't actually focus on directly improving sexual skill is inconsistent. Like anything we teach here, there is necessarily a time of learning and adjustment. If you want to get better at sex you have to put all your focus on getting better at sex. That means caring about her reaction to what you're doing. You will eventually come to a point where you master the basics, that is when you will automatically change your perspective to one of giving her pleasure because you desire to, not because TRP and SGM told you to. Until then, though, practice practice practice.
Imo really depends on the reasoning. I give certain girls oral, and only when I feel like it. I don't do it because I want them to feel good or whatever nonsense. I do it because there's really no better feeling to me, than to have a girl writhing in my arms freaking out like a dog after getting hit by a semi, all from a few flicks of a tongue.
I guess it's about having power over them and dominance or whatever. Idunno, everyone is different.
Sex is everything to a woman. Give her bad sex and I guarantee you later in the relationship she will be getting schtupped by the big dick gardener named Hernandez Ramirez Gonzalez Cruz Avila.
Sex improved for me greatly once I concentrated on myself, and not her. I started using women's bodies rather then worshipping them. This can seem counter intuitive, so an example below.
I like giving oral. I like it because having a woman buck and moan while I do my thing and pin her down is intensely validating for me. In any type of sex. "Hey I can do that, I can make her lose control." That's the feeling summed up versus those who think they have to please their girl every time.
One thing I can appreciate about Rooshv is that his writing has clarity, with no nonsense to it. He nails this exactingly.
I treat them like a fleshlight. Give zero fucks about their experience. They love the fuck out of it every time. Guys think they need to do something special like it’s an event they’re catering for. Their body is an offering to you and the best appreciation you can show it is to treat like such. They’re not a customer. They’re your fuck toy.
I concentrated on myself, and not her. I started using women's bodies rather then worshipping them.
The comments section is going to reflect the 80/20 rule, just like the past posts about "going over her body like a goddam scientist, making sure every little thing is perfect and she comes every time."
For the top value dudes, sex is an animal act, not a fucking religious ceremony. She wants to get wailed on, and whether she comes is irrelevant.
For all the other 80%, yeah you have to work your ass off to make her come because you don't have much else to offer in the way of excitement.
My experience of fucking hot women for 34 years: her orgasm is her problem, not mine, I have never cared and they have ALL come back for more.
It was a mentality shift for me, because I used to give a shit. But external validation is unhealthy and childish. The funny part is the women in my life ended up being more pleased as a result of my new attitude.
As the joke goes:
A guy with a two inch dick walks into a brothel naked and smiling.
The madam asks him: "who do you expect to satisfy with that?"
It was a mentality shift for me, because I used to give a shit. But external validation is unhealthy and childish.
Interesting path. For me, it was a mentality shift of a different kind:
At first, I wasn't very good at sex, because I was an immature turkey, incompetent at life in general, but I had enough of an attitude to keep them coming around. Then I grew up to be a badass who didn't care about them, and now they went berserk over me.
What stayed the same: I still fucked the same way as before. The point: sexual technique doesn't matter, as long you aren't terrible. It's your general aura of masculinity and animal attraction that keeps them coming. Develop that, and they will have plenty enough of orgasms, just from you fucking them the way YOU want.
The madam asks him: "who do you expect to satisfy with that?"
He smiles wider and says:. "Me".
The joke is funny, but it's a bit off, because with what we're talking about she is satisfied too.
Yep this is absolutely correct. Women will fuck you for either money, social status, power/influence, and/or your looks. I've found that this type of interaction goes beyond just sexual relations with females. Many of my so called "male friends" call me up whenever they need a favor or it's convenient for them. People use other people no matter what regardless of gender.
It is a bit of both. Orgasm doesn't always always good sex in the girl's mind.
Sex with my ex-ltr in a romantic place when were deep in our honeymoon stage was her favorite sex. She loved me so much. It took me like 6 months to figure out how to make her cum(some girls just arent as easy), but she still loved me and let me fuck her whenever I wanted.
Amazing sex after we the breakup where she squirts on me = we still are broken up, no love.
Obviously if a girl "loves" you it doesn't matter so much if the sex is average. If she doesn't care about you at all, it doesn't matter if you make her orgasm. Being good at sex is important if you want a meat sleeve and she wants a cock.
The point of the article is to present the idea that making a woman orgasm is not necessarily vital to a relationship. We all also know all the beta guys that "like" to eat women out for hours because they think it gives them value.
Agreed. I hand them out as a reward, it's candy for her. Not every time, unless she gets off without my input, but just enough to keep that carrot out there. Nothing makes them feel less attractive and accomplished as much as not getting me off. They'll do themselves if they feel the need, so any from me is a bonus. They come back for more far longer than if I give a shit about her getting off. It's a tool that needn't be used often.
Dude, that just means you're bad in bed. That's literally how they view you. A guy to use when they are desperate for sex & intimacy, even if they don't expect it to be good.
its a bit of everything tbh but small cock dudes do struggle to get girls not to dump them and thats generally agreed so I think you are not completely correct
A five foot dick wow! I'm teasing? I think that's pretty average - probably porn making you feel bad. Since sex is largely physiological. I'm sure you're golden
In your case, you SHOULD prioritise her/their orgasm for a little while imo.
I think this post is best seen from the perspective of a man that is able to make her orgasm if he wants to, but chooses to not prioritize it.
ALL girls I have had or heard first-hand reports of, have come under the right circumstances (excluding alcohol abuse). I don't know about women over 25 though.
It is simply a nice skill to have, and acquiring it can be a fun and validating journey.
If girls can't even cum by themselves, you aren't making them cum. It's a journey they need to go on themselves - only they can truly control it. Anyone who thinks differently has simply been lied to. Women lie about orgasms A LOT. You'd be surprised.
RexPillerson 6y ago
I disagree. Based on experience I would say that fucking a girl well results in them coming back to you.
CodenameLEE 6y ago
Said by a guy who cant give a girl an orgasm
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Millixaw 6y ago
If you don't provide her the orgasm, she'll go seek someone who does. But she'll stay with you for your wallet.
[deleted] 6y ago
Yeah, the value you provide her is that you're the beta bux that she keeps around for beta providership even though the sex isn't good
squirtingispeeing 6y ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
MisterRoid 6y ago
I don't think the female orgasm is irrelevant, but even on TRP it seems like guys put pussy on a pedestal when it comes to sex. I always put my pleasure first during sex and never ask whether the girl likes it or not. They are turned on by my masculine attitude. I can make girls cum just by fucking them with my rock-hard cock, without using any fancy tricks.
But then I only fuck them raw like a real man, and always finish in the pussy. That's the ultimate turn-on for girls as well. If you are a beta cuck using condoms I don't think you can make them cum so easily just by using your dick.
no92 6y ago
Not wanting aids isn't beta
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neo2419912 6y ago
Stupidest paragraph ever written.
iamtheonewhomknocks 6y ago
So I've kind of found the opposite to be true? When I can consistently finish her off a few times per session I find she'll overlook a lot of behavior on my part that would normally push her away. I've had woman say things like "you're so good to me" afterwords and in my head I'm thinking wtf is she talking about? On that same note when I was a teenager just starting college and sexually inexperienced I dated a girl in her twenties and ultimately I couldn't get the job done and it seemed to taint everything else. Would love to hear people's thoughts on this - I've been pondering a lengthier post on the subject but I don't have enough material or a cogent hypothesis yet.
metallicdrama 6y ago
This. When I was recovering from getting hit by a car I had no value besides my cock. I was massively in debt. Body went to shit. Had no life. But I was good for one thing and that’s what they came for.
360_no_scope_upvote 6y ago
Absolutely, if you fuck her well and get her off she will always come back to you for the quick fix
Throwawaysteve123456 6y ago
I completely agree, this was not a good read. First of all, the article equates orgasm with a women's pleasure during sex. Second of all, women do what's reinforcing. if it doesn't feel good for them, they won't come back. Now in my experience, 99% of women get off from you treating their bodys like your own pleasure toy, so it's a moot point most of the time.
chazthundergut 6y ago
Yea I lean more towards what you're saying than the article.
In today's environment, women can find resources/ commitment/ attention anywhere.
What they are missing is the alpha fucks.
She is craving a strong dominant man who can toss her on the bed and fuck her till she's making animal noises into her pillow.
Everything around "game" is just the first step, and is geared towards getting a girl to let you have sex with her. But after that, sex becomes the main thing, the most important thing (in terms of maintaining her attraction, her genuine desire, and creating an overall smooth and healthy relationship).
Also sexual availability and enthusiasm is the number one way to judge how much your chick is into you.
The_Noble_Lie 6y ago
I agree with you, generally.
How many "outliers" in percentage form do you think defy this phenomenon out there in the sea of women? Maybe thats like asking how many women out there have low sex drive?
chazthundergut 6y ago
I think your sex game won't matter as much for the same percentage of girls who are "good girls" with traditional backgrounds and very low n-count.
I'm not sure what the percentage is, but it's pretty low. Most girls today are fairly promiscuous, and that means they will be much less likely to tolerate being with a guy who can't fuck her good and make her come.
Also, it obviously won't matter as much for girls who you are taking the "beta bucks" route with, as they will only be interested in your resources anyways. But that is a losing strategy from the start, as we all know.
The solution? Fuck more girls and improve your sex game. Remove your ego from it, and take a student's perspective willing to learn and try out new stuff. Also, make a point of being in the moment during sex, connecting with your most fundamental sexual desires, and enjoying yourself.
Also read Sex God Method it is on point.
nebder 6y ago
Your whole comment could’ve been “read SGM and execute”
Got a gal that keeps texting me about how I’m the only one that hurts her like she wants. Tells me she’s normally dominant in bed and she loves how I take control of her. Our kinks complement but I don’t like her that much. That’s what sucks about kinky girls, they’re usually broken. The unicorn hunt continues.
94redstealth 6y ago
I think you missed the point of even the title. If you hold frame correctly and she makes the choice to sleep with you, almost any level of sex, even bad, will not make her leave. But, if your frame is weak, the sex best make her walk funny for three days if you want her to come back for more.
disposable_pants 6y ago
I don't think one can really hold frame in a sexual relationship if they suck at sex. We can talk about how it's theoretically possible for days, but in practice I just don't see it happening for guys who aren't millionaires or celebrities.
Posts like "you don't even have to get her off!" are misleading because 99% of relationships where she's lukewarm on the sexual component involve duty sex. That sort of thinking will trick a beta bucks into thinking he's figured it out ("she still has sex with me even if I don't get her off!"), when in reality she's just sprinkling enough sex in the relationship to make sure she gets what she wants out of it.
satellitecolorskin 6y ago
This was my last relationship. I figured out how to be alpha in bed while I was still beta in everyday life. It was better than nothing, but still turned out as you'd expect.
PickleWickleton 6y ago
Can you dive into how you figured that out, a little bit?
satellitecolorskin 6y ago
I read a lot about it online, and then when I got into a relationship I went through a lot of trial and error.
Bammer1386 6y ago
Came here to say this. There are past plates Ive done things to, like make them squirt, thet they had no idea that it was even possible. Even if they are in a relationship, i can text them if they wanna squirt again at nearly any moment, and many of them start an attempt to set up a meeting.
IndianGainzDance 6y ago
I am interested in your strategy for how you teach a woman to be a squirter. I'm already well practiced enough to where I can give any woman startling amounts of orgasms and have them consistently re-open lines of communication for casual sex for years to come.
I feel like turning on their crotch cannon would keep em coming back for life lmao
Bammer1386 6y ago
So its actually really interesting, because ive tried to treat it as scientifically as possible to try to perfect the craft, haha. Ive found that if you enter her with your dominant hand's middle and ring fingers, palm up, and make a "come here" motion with both fingers, pressing on the roof/tummy of the vagina with moderate pressure and steadily increasing speed seems to work best. You may need to move your wrist/arm forward and back a little bit as well, theres no wrong way to do it, as long as with every "come here" flick. Youll know you're doing it right when you feel and hear (yes, i said HEAR...it will be the sound of the wetness moving through your fingers.) her get wetter and wetter and wetter, and youll want to speed up as fast as you can physically go until she explodes. Your fingers and wrist tendons will burn and be fatigued, but keep going and dont stop. Some girls simply cannot squirt no matter how hard you try, some take a couple minutes, some take 10 seconds. I have a preference for Asian girls, Korean and Chinese girls mostly, and about 90% of them Ive encountered can squirt. With white girls, that figure is lower, probably closer to 10-20%, so YMMV. Of course this is all anecdotal. I hypothesize that its a genetic thing of sorts. Its important that they are as relaxed and comfortable as possible. If she says she has the urge to pee during the process, tell her to just let it go, and to trust you, its not pee, shes just about to have her first squirting orgasm.
ImFullOfSpunkLadies 6y ago
It's urine. It's been proven. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26772-female-ejaculation-comes-in-two-forms-scientists-find/
Bammer1386 6y ago
I had a feeling it might be, color and smell are similar, but if forcing a pee from a woman imprints my memory on her sexually, then so be it
elmerovingio 6y ago
No it's not. Read that same article you've posted.
Some women can produce a small volume of milky fluid with presence of PSA (real female ejaculation, from their Skene glands). And some other women produce a larger volume of clear/yellowish fluid without any trace of PSA (urine). You can find even a mixture of both fluids: a larger volume of mostly clear fluid with traces of PSA in it.
disposable_pants 6y ago
That's not the liquid produced when squirting. Squirting by definition is not a "small volume" activity.
If I pee after sex and my urine has traces of semen in it, that doesn't make my urine not urine. Squirting involves urine, even if it has traces of other fluids.
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Son_of_Tzu 6y ago
I find it dishearting to admit that my personal experience aligns with such train of thought. Women stay hooked on me when I show disinterest and value, while investing in others will just run over their heads and 'waste my potential' as they so like to call it.
But allas it is not quite as simple. There is a long way between calling Orgasms trivial and believing they are the be-all and end-all of female expectations.
Truth is, it is merely one parameter. A simple number allong the many requirements her culturally intensive environment has pushed upon her.
Ultimately, the message isn't so much to not satisfy a women sexually. Rather, it entails not to seek approval from women. Ignore her complaints and criticism, especially when they stem from emotion rather than reason.
tldr ; you shouldn't be so concerned about her. She gets her fill, that's great. If not, it's up to her to fix it, not you (by building more attraction, and not nagging).
Extremely_Photogenic 6y ago
This girl I'm fuck buddies with now was head over heels for the guy before me. He's a fucking loser Asian guy with a micro penis. She said she wouldn't even feel it go in, and he would have to finger her to give her any sexual pleasure. Ironically, he cheated on her a bunch and she was pretty devastated. Also ironically, she claims to be completely in love with me but I know she wouldn't LTR me.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 6y ago
Yes and no.
If she's got you pegged as a long term provider, sort of. She had other plans for you anyway.
If she was with you for sex in the first place...then no. You didn't satisfy.
Even as a long-term provider orgasms sweeten the deal. They're not the the most important thing in her life for most women, but they do like them (just like we do.) Not being able to give her one means she's less satisfied with you and more likely to try someone else.
disposable_pants 6y ago
Sums it up perfectly. A big focus here is getting women interested in sex for the sake of sex -- not just becoming a better beta and getting a hotter woman to give up monthly duty sex. If she's interested in sex for the sake of sex, and the sex isn't good for her, she's not going to maintain that interest for long.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 6y ago
Yes. Women go through stages too. When they're younger and just looking for sex then forget betas they're into alphas. But if he can't satisfy sexually then she's off looking for someone else because it's all she was looking for anyway.
j_arbuckle2012 6y ago
Heavily disagree with Roosh on this. She'll still fuck you, sure. But she'll get the rip-up-the-sheets sex from someone else, quite often while still with you. Not taking responsibility for your shared sexual experiences is a great way to get consistently cheated on.
Further, bonding hormones are released in high dosages when women orgasm (that much beloved pair bond), so if you are interested at all in LTRs it behooves you to learn how to make her cum and cum hard with great frequency.
The Sex God Method is recommended for a reason.
metallicdrama 6y ago
This. The only new women that ever told me they loved me were the ones I fucked.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
It is the frame. By not giving a shit and focusing on sex as something you're going to be present in and enjoy selfishly to the fullest (as opposed to thinking like "well if I hit at this angle and stimulate the clit from behind while I pound her, I can get her to cum" ) you will on average be better in bed. By not worrying about her pleasure and clearly being in it for you, you won't give every woman a world class sexual performance, but as long as you're competent, most of them will orgasm as a result of feeling your genuine arousal.
SGM is a great book, but the attitude of sex as something that you're focused on enjoying for yourself, rather than an opportunity to "wow" a girl is something many guys can't grasp. SGM is way too focused on this idea of "you have to give her dominance, variety, emotional, etc" or she won't be maximally sexually satisfied.
And that is where the "who gives a shit" should come in - you should focus on you being maximally satisfied, as assuming you aren't a retarded jackhammer and there's no frictional issues, she'll be satisfied as a byproduct.
Save the SGM for a plate that's proven herself and you want to reward.
SultanPepe 6y ago
It boggles my mind that people here can't grasp it. If you stop caring about her orgasms, she'll take care of them herself. She'll do her best to make you make her cum. And it'll be better for everyone.
People think that the 'who cares about her orgasm' sentiment means you do a one-and-done pump on her and leave. It couldn't be further from the truth. You go on and you have the wildest, most selfish sex you can imagine, fulfill all of your own desires and the rest will take care of itself.
mnemos_1 6y ago
Perhaps I'm one of the many that are unable to grasp the frame that you're describing, but I get the selfish enjoyment you mention by having a her body and mind be under my complete control, responding when and how I want, as described in SGM. It's easy, almost mechanical to get my own enjoyment - there's only so much variety in how many ways you can stick a cock in a hole, after all.
Her being a quivering pile of meat and fluids once I'm done is far more enjoyable for knowing I have the power to do so, rather than wanting to make it about her enjoyment over my own.
Also, at a neuro-chemical level, being able to have her associate your presence with consistent experiences of high dopamine and oxytocin spikes means you end up being her go-to source when she's sensation-hungry - a particularly important hook for women with low impulse control (sluts).
j_arbuckle2012 6y ago
That is not what I was getting at.
You are correct in that you must absolutely come from a frame of giving her orgasms because you genuinely desire to.
But the notion that guys shouldn't actually focus on directly improving sexual skill is inconsistent. Like anything we teach here, there is necessarily a time of learning and adjustment. If you want to get better at sex you have to put all your focus on getting better at sex. That means caring about her reaction to what you're doing. You will eventually come to a point where you master the basics, that is when you will automatically change your perspective to one of giving her pleasure because you desire to, not because TRP and SGM told you to. Until then, though, practice practice practice.
mnemos_1 6y ago
Ah, that helps a bit more - thank you for clarifying the point.
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ImHerWonderland 6y ago
Imo really depends on the reasoning. I give certain girls oral, and only when I feel like it. I don't do it because I want them to feel good or whatever nonsense. I do it because there's really no better feeling to me, than to have a girl writhing in my arms freaking out like a dog after getting hit by a semi, all from a few flicks of a tongue.
I guess it's about having power over them and dominance or whatever. Idunno, everyone is different.
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rdesktop7 6y ago
I would prefer it if both of us enjoyed the sex.
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htbf 6y ago
Change woman by man in the title and it will still be true. A woman can have men around her finger just by flirting a tiny bit.
[deleted] 6y ago
Sex is everything to a woman. Give her bad sex and I guarantee you later in the relationship she will be getting schtupped by the big dick gardener named Hernandez Ramirez Gonzalez Cruz Avila.
Luckylancer96 6y ago
How many gardeners are there.
Glacierdust 6y ago
Depends on how poorly you fuck her
face_north 6y ago
Goes against everything tats being said in Sex God method...
trowa2018 6y ago
So by that logic: unless you're trying to get somebody pregnant the male orgasm doesn't matter either? I'll pass on the blue balls mate.
Praecipuus 6y ago
By that logic, unless you're trying to get somebody pregnant, fucking itself doesn't matter.
Epictetus2017 6y ago
Sex improved for me greatly once I concentrated on myself, and not her. I started using women's bodies rather then worshipping them. This can seem counter intuitive, so an example below.
I like giving oral. I like it because having a woman buck and moan while I do my thing and pin her down is intensely validating for me. In any type of sex. "Hey I can do that, I can make her lose control." That's the feeling summed up versus those who think they have to please their girl every time.
One thing I can appreciate about Rooshv is that his writing has clarity, with no nonsense to it. He nails this exactingly.
metallicdrama 6y ago
I treat them like a fleshlight. Give zero fucks about their experience. They love the fuck out of it every time. Guys think they need to do something special like it’s an event they’re catering for. Their body is an offering to you and the best appreciation you can show it is to treat like such. They’re not a customer. They’re your fuck toy.
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
The comments section is going to reflect the 80/20 rule, just like the past posts about "going over her body like a goddam scientist, making sure every little thing is perfect and she comes every time."
For the top value dudes, sex is an animal act, not a fucking religious ceremony. She wants to get wailed on, and whether she comes is irrelevant.
For all the other 80%, yeah you have to work your ass off to make her come because you don't have much else to offer in the way of excitement.
My experience of fucking hot women for 34 years: her orgasm is her problem, not mine, I have never cared and they have ALL come back for more.
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Epictetus2017 6y ago
It was a mentality shift for me, because I used to give a shit. But external validation is unhealthy and childish. The funny part is the women in my life ended up being more pleased as a result of my new attitude.
As the joke goes:
A guy with a two inch dick walks into a brothel naked and smiling.
The madam asks him: "who do you expect to satisfy with that?"
He smiles wider and says:. "Me".
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
Interesting path. For me, it was a mentality shift of a different kind:
At first, I wasn't very good at sex, because I was an immature turkey, incompetent at life in general, but I had enough of an attitude to keep them coming around. Then I grew up to be a badass who didn't care about them, and now they went berserk over me.
What stayed the same: I still fucked the same way as before. The point: sexual technique doesn't matter, as long you aren't terrible. It's your general aura of masculinity and animal attraction that keeps them coming. Develop that, and they will have plenty enough of orgasms, just from you fucking them the way YOU want.
The joke is funny, but it's a bit off, because with what we're talking about she is satisfied too.
dr_warlock 6y ago
That was a beautiful piece of writing.
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Yep this is absolutely correct. Women will fuck you for either money, social status, power/influence, and/or your looks. I've found that this type of interaction goes beyond just sexual relations with females. Many of my so called "male friends" call me up whenever they need a favor or it's convenient for them. People use other people no matter what regardless of gender.
Harry_Wangs 6y ago
It is a bit of both. Orgasm doesn't always always good sex in the girl's mind.
Sex with my ex-ltr in a romantic place when were deep in our honeymoon stage was her favorite sex. She loved me so much. It took me like 6 months to figure out how to make her cum(some girls just arent as easy), but she still loved me and let me fuck her whenever I wanted.
Amazing sex after we the breakup where she squirts on me = we still are broken up, no love.
Obviously if a girl "loves" you it doesn't matter so much if the sex is average. If she doesn't care about you at all, it doesn't matter if you make her orgasm. Being good at sex is important if you want a meat sleeve and she wants a cock.
The point of the article is to present the idea that making a woman orgasm is not necessarily vital to a relationship. We all also know all the beta guys that "like" to eat women out for hours because they think it gives them value.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
Agreed. I hand them out as a reward, it's candy for her. Not every time, unless she gets off without my input, but just enough to keep that carrot out there. Nothing makes them feel less attractive and accomplished as much as not getting me off. They'll do themselves if they feel the need, so any from me is a bonus. They come back for more far longer than if I give a shit about her getting off. It's a tool that needn't be used often.
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Dude, that just means you're bad in bed. That's literally how they view you. A guy to use when they are desperate for sex & intimacy, even if they don't expect it to be good.
[deleted] 6y ago
What is the XP requirement for 2 Senior Endorsed Contributor tags?
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
That should read "señor endorsed" and you need to be Mexican.
NarcKammerjaeger 6y ago
360 noscope without a rifle.
[deleted] 6y ago
That is not an XP requirement n00b
NarcKammerjaeger 6y ago
What if I like to last more than 3 minutes?
Bing_Bang_Bam 6y ago
To quote Andrew Dice, "as long as I bust a nut in her presence".
Actually, you gotta be really careful with your seed, she may try jamming it in her snatch when you aren't looking to knock herself up.
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DOUG2018 6y ago
its a bit of everything tbh but small cock dudes do struggle to get girls not to dump them and thats generally agreed so I think you are not completely correct
rigbed 6y ago
Most small cock dudes are horribly insecure
tylerden 6y ago
I have a 5'8 dick and never had a problem with the ladies getting them off and what not...is that small? Sometimes I feel shit about it though
Harry_Wangs 6y ago
A five foot dick wow! I'm teasing? I think that's pretty average - probably porn making you feel bad. Since sex is largely physiological. I'm sure you're golden
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
I don t think a dick that's five foot eight inches is small tbh
tylerden 6y ago
Lol I usually use the metric system.
SocietalEngineering 6y ago
Not to mention the fact that most girls don't even know how to orgasm anyway.
sphynixdc 6y ago
In your case, you SHOULD prioritise her/their orgasm for a little while imo.
I think this post is best seen from the perspective of a man that is able to make her orgasm if he wants to, but chooses to not prioritize it.
ALL girls I have had or heard first-hand reports of, have come under the right circumstances (excluding alcohol abuse). I don't know about women over 25 though.
It is simply a nice skill to have, and acquiring it can be a fun and validating journey.
SocietalEngineering 6y ago
If girls can't even cum by themselves, you aren't making them cum. It's a journey they need to go on themselves - only they can truly control it. Anyone who thinks differently has simply been lied to. Women lie about orgasms A LOT. You'd be surprised.