I tried explaining to him that it’s not her fault, its in her nature, and we live in a society that openly champions this kind of behavior.

Yes. We as a society are proud of hypergamy and the fact that betas (i.e. most men) are punished.

Try the socratic method next time

Your friend is dumb as fuck. I have this issue a lot of the time. You can't help that, and I know exactly how it feels to give great advice and have it shoved back in your face. Just deal with it and perhaps enjoy the "I told you so" moment when she divorces him.

There was nothing radical about what you said to your friend at all.

You just recounted the facts as you know them... I think it's good advice and you are a good friend.

You fucking dummy. That's not how you influence people. Inception... man... You needed to lead him, but let him speak the answers into existence as he realized them.

You were just regurgitating things you read here. And basically calling him a loser while doing so. Red pill or not, you think anybody is going to respond well to being called an idiot loser you dumbass?

Get what I'm doing here dumbdumb? Once I activate that negative feeling in you, you don't want to listen to a fucking word I have to say... dummy... lol

Post should be titled “hostile reaction to me being a socially retarded sperg”.

Lessons learned: 1. don’t talk about fight club

Classic rookie mistake. You don't talk about TRP in public, like it's some "cool new edgy shit I need to tell me broz," ever. It's simply too radical of a set of ideas for people who have never red the side bar. No one RP's people, they come here on their own. There is a reason we treat this place like "Fight Club."

should've stopped after first paragraph and let him find out for himself. First rule of TRP is don't talk about TRP.

You should have said to him to tell his wife that it is awesome, and teach him how to get new pussy, get fit, and etc

he was not ready, maybe take it slow

Truth is, if his wife is as terrible as you depicted her - your friend, will come back and will apologize to you later.

Too much too soon..

Also, offering a radical new point of view when someone is in shock is not going to sit well!

"Hostile reaction to giving advice in spectacularly poor manner"

He will now attempt to negotiate her attraction to him. It will fail.

You cannot negotiate desire.

If he wants to save his marriage (for whatever reason) then agree and amplify. Open it up and then work on YOU. Build your SMV and fuck more and hotter partners than she does. Then give the ultimatum to call the sex war off. Either she zips her vagina or you divorce her for Suzie fashion model.

Keep in mind:make up sex is great.

Get this shit out of your system and carry on.

Jesus dude he would’ve been better off being hit by a bus than dropping that on him in such a manner

"Blue pill beliefs are like a religion to some"

So true! Many men I talk to always ask me, "when are you getting married"?

Im not, why would I? Theres zero incentive

They look at me like Im from another planet, listen guy, if you want to live how society wants you to live and be a slave to a women, and kids sure go right ahead, Im going to do racecar things, ride my motorcycle, travel and meet women every step of the way. Hey if you wanna put your stupid family member stickers on your cool minivan and show the world how much debt you are in, thats fine Ill be over here getting richer and richer and enjoying myself.

I hate when people say it's not a woman's fault for her cheating/unfaithfulness just because it's "her nature." It just shows a lack of responsibility and self-control.

There are a good deal of things humans do because of human nature yet they're never given the "It's not your fault. It's in your nature" excuse.

First rule about TRP is... We don't talk about TRP.

I know you are tryna help but he's path is still firmly set on blue pill. Hints here and there may push his cart of that track, only then will he be open to more redpill ideas.

Start of with helping him self improve his image perhaps. Would be interesting to see how indirect coaching could save another man.

Hey, I’m sorry your dad died. Everyone dies at some point, it’s only natural. You’ll move on and life will get easier!

By the way, did you know there’s no heaven or hell and we all just rot in the ground?

Lmao dude. You can’t just open someone’s mouth and forcibly drug their ass. Surprised he didn’t deck your ass.

Honestly, I think you need to talk to some of these guys like they're women. Women don't want advice and they will get frustrated if you try to give it to them, as if you're talking to a man. The best thing you could do in this case was just be there for your buddy and let him talk things out on his own. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you are willing to seek help from places you'd never consider before because of pride.

Lol. So he got mad at your advice and not about his wife asking him to be cuckolded ? The soy is strong in this one.

Read this love letter to understand how you fucked up.

You can't save someone who is adamant that they don't need saving.

I said “walk away. It’s done. It’s beyond saving. If she’s asking you to open up the marriage, chances are she’s already been unfaithful or has someone picked out. She’s setting you up for failure. If you say no, she’ll cheat anyways then divorce you and if you say yes, she’ll lose any respect that she has left for you anyways, and still probably divorce you”

His mouth dropped, eyes widened and he stared at me for a good 30 seconds “I can’t believe you what you just said! Fuck you!!

Good solid advice.

I tried explaining to him that women are hypergamous in nature and that no amount of counseling, begging, pleading, couples therapy or talking it out would save his marriage. She’s made up her mind that he’s a provider and a beta male, and she wants to go have sex with better, more alpha men then him.

You are self-qualifying your position. Don't. Stop at the good advice, acknowledge his hurt, whether or not he gets it is up to him

mate, don't ever unleash red pill philosophy. just don't bother, you're not gaining any pussy from it, so why bother

You conveyed the RP truth in a very crude, hurtful way:

1. You ignored his deep feelings for his wife; a man in love wants to hear nothing bad about his SO.
2. You reduced his masculinity into a beta provider's one; even the most blue-pilled guy doesn't want to admit he is beta provider.

However, you did sow the seeds of doubt in his mind and that's good. I suggest you apologizing to him for the way you said those things but sticking to your arguments and rephrasing them in a way that you don't demean his personality at all.

I said “walk away. It’s done. It’s beyond saving. If she’s asking you to open up the marriage, chances are she’s already been unfaithful or has someone picked out. She’s setting you up for failure. If you say no, she’ll cheat anyways then divorce you and if you say yes, she’ll lose any respect that she has left for you anyways, and still probably divorce you”

To us, these things are completely normal. And when giving advice, especially to one I consider friend, I usually don't hold back either. But you have to keep in mind those plugged in don't get it. What you said is completely regular to us, but for them it's extreme.

I tried explaining to him that women are hypergamous in nature and that no amount of counseling, begging, pleading, couples therapy or talking it out would save his marriage. She’s made up her mind that he’s a provider and a beta male, and she wants to go have sex with better, more alpha men then him.

You wasted your time.

I tried explaining to him that it’s not her fault, its in her nature, and we live in a society that openly champions this kind of behavior. The best and only thing he can do is divorce her, let her go and improve on himself

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

You see, giving advice is never a bad thing. That's what friends are for. But when it comes to the advice we have gotten on a regular in this subreddit, it needs to be toned down when given to others plugged in. Dropping a simple truth here and there stings, but won't hurt as badly and won't seem as extreme. What you did was just dump it all onto him and it was too much for him to grasp.

Regardless, your advice was truthful, but the worst thing when it comes to being plugged in is that the truth always hurts.

Edit: and if your friend decides to not talk to you for telling you the truth, he was never a friend to begin with.

You should have stopped with just the part about his wife. The rest was unsolicited advice about the nature of women, and he didn’t need any of it. He needed to know his marriage was fucked and how, but all else was counterintuitive.

Trying to tell him the whole “don’t blame her, nature of women” is pointless. There’s an anger phase for a reason, and step one is being pissed at one particular woman as if she personally is a piece of shit. More life experiences will lead a man to the conclusion of AWALT, and eventually to not hate the players but play the game. But he wasn’t there yet; he didn’t need to know the game existed, let alone the rules. He had yet to get off the bench and stretch his legs

Let this be a lesson to you: try to “Redpill” someone, and they’ll be overwhelmed and reject it. He couldn’t process all that from hearsay, and your efforts to bring him up to your speed condemned him back to full cuckoldry. You can’t save this guy; leave him be now. In the future, learn what needs to be said, say only that, and leave it there. It’s no different from ruining your chances with a woman because you run your mouth too much

The best advice you can ever give to someone is the one that they know deep down already. All you need to do is pull it out for them.

You said too much. You should have stuck to the first part, maybe given an example or two.

Never discuss red pill explicitly.

You did good. He needed to hear that.

Have social intelligence. People are wired differently, you know which of your friends is a bitch, you can't be real with them.

Your mistake was trying to unload RP concepts without being in the right position to do so. You can't lecture RP into someone, their mind will reject it every time.

The only thing you should of said was the part about it being over and his best option was to divorce her quickly, cheaply and move on. When he reacted negatively your response isn't to double down nor back out but just shrug and be like "dude that's just how shit is man". He'll be pissed and walk away, but he'll rethink it later. By adding all that extra RP stuff all you do was make him reject ~ALL~ of what you said, including the part about him walking away.

Let me present a different point of view for the sake of having multiple views on the matter in this thread.

A friend of mine was happy to hear this wife address this subject a few months into their marriage. They both shared the same stance: you don't own the other person, and you can't fulfill all sexual needs of the other person.

But it does require letting go of the feeling of owning the wife. Interesting fact: she exercised the right once, and he hasn't yet because he didn't care to go out hunting yet.

“I can’t believe you what you just said! Fuck you!!”

And that is the equivalent of Neo upchucking in The Matrix. But at least you gave him the cold hard truth. That's all you can do. It's up to him to believe it.

First of all, you were doing good when you said to divorce her. You should have kept the advice as general as possible. He asked what you should do, you told him.

But why the fuck did you actually say the words, “hypergamy” or “beta bux”? You fucked it up there. You should have just kept it as simple as possible. Oh and if he stays with her, ya friend a bitch

He'll either come around when he sees your words are truth...or kill himself. Some guys just can't be saved.

Think about it in terms of fight or flight. This guy is already confused and upset and you’ve released a massive dose of norepinephrine into his system. Instead of wanting to flee his marriage that he’s thinking is solvable, he’s chosen to fight you. It’s a bit too much too soon OP. You have to ease him into TRP lifestyle not smash it down his throat all at once.

Red pill truths will only become self evident only when one goes on a mission of self discovery. You cant teach it to others, they have to search for it.

If he's gonna be a little bitch you should get first dibs

You need more empathy when saying stuff, man, you need to put examples you've known, even better if both og you know the example, you need to say "hey, I understand this fucking sucks and it hurts like hell but think about this: ..." and so on.

Now I totally understand how you feel, because of course you were then upset about what happened, about the willful blindness, but you know, be softer next time.

I have come to a point where I can't talk about women with my friends, I can't talk about the mayor power struggles of the world, about financial intelligence, about anything red pill really, and that's because when I got this group of friends I was the deepest shade of blue you can imagine, and so are they. The difference is that through trauma I've transcended, and they have not. It makes life lonely, that's for sure, but better in the long term.

Your friend will remember the talk with you a couple of years from now and say "the fucker had it right" .

Yea it was too much for his friend but it's the truth. Probably wouldn't use Redpill terms but it's sound advice.

His friend is beta cucked and has chosen to slowly cut off his foot instead of ripping off the bandaid.

That bitch is 1 of 3 billion but he's going to placate just to get a whiff of her shit. Pussy is the mind killer. It's sad how guys today have no self-respect.

Good, sometimes its better to give them the cold ass truth especially if hes a close friend. Let him digest it he will apologize.

Law 2 and 3

For never trust your friend, and learn how to conceal your intentions.

Speak red pill truth is bad, I had a successful social life because I always act RP and display BP.

Game based: Do RP, act RP, but when question, talked, using BP as front, have deep understanding of BP mind, and advocates BP when being questioned or in conversation in the group.

Never wins a argument, always win by actions. I would like lynch someone publicly by using their own ideology.

Again, Win through action, not words.

Your BP cover will be unchallenged, aka get a pass because you are not standing out with your “rebellion” beliefs.

Remember, it is dangerous to ever, TO EVER choose sides, remain vague and mysterious of your idea and beliefs, to NEVER revealing your deepest intent, your goal, your “trade secret” ever to anyone.

If you want to speak and influence someone when using such words, as “secrets between us”, use something that conspire to throw them off.

You speak BP and ultimately get a strong mind fuckery to have intentions to get someone fucked. So no one can attack you based on your beliefs.

Make sure put out a great public image and BP speech, sheep skin is very comfy, you get your own franchise defended by:

-not get attacked, or slander, or public execution.

-out maneuver others, because your common image.

-able to identify others better, because simple minded RP would speak their idea against yours (BP) and real BP would attack them, and fellow BP skin RP would keep observe you, to check your actions actually. People change, and that is exactly what they do.

Stay vague, for your maneuverability. Some problems are never meant to be solved, and some idea are never meant to be discussed and some words are never intended to be used as the way it is.

Violate these laws can cost you tremendously.

My sons are still young enough that I’ll have time to share red pill wisdom now that I’ve had my eyes opened

"Man up" and videotape his wife with you. Maybe then it will stick?

I agree with everone else about this. The first part is what is needed to be said. After the fu, I would have just shrugged and grabbed a beer.

First, learn about the Socratic Method of teaching, wherein you ask leading questions, allowing the student to discover that they already mostly know and agree with what is being taught.

Second, people change slowly. When someone makes a great insight, it's tempting to try to run with it and teach them everything while you're on a roll. What you need to do when someone gets a flash of insight is to STFU and let them process it in their own due time.

Good job. You did him a great favour, he just doesnt know it yet. Sometimes you have to play the bad guy despite your good intentions. Sometimes you have to push him into the deep end and watch him struggle to swim, then when he curses you pushing him into the water, tell him to stop being a weak ass bitch and learn to swim.

He must fix himself first. If it doesn't work out Divorce is the only path forward.

First 2 rules of fight club

Let the red lightning strike him, then he'll be back. Only experience ever embeds stuff inside one's cells.

Men in this age are very effeminate, hence his reaction.

OP should volunteer to sleep with his friend's wife.

Wow!

Nothing you said is surprising to us, but for a BP chump, you literally blew his world to pieces!

I have tried unplugging a few guys, some buy into it, some buy into it a little, to fit their own narrative and some react against it.

Blue pill beliefs are like a religion to some

Congratulations. You've beaten level 1.

Captain Save-a-Joe to the rescue.

You don't force-feed him the pill. He needs to find it himself.

Don’t talk about fight club

What you should do is fuck his wife for him. He will wake up.

Lol of course he gonna be pissed dummy, you could of done that shit better, don't fucking whine about it here

"Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself".

Your advice was great. Maybe too good. Too much for him to digest too quickly? It's tough in your shoes though, since you probably only had this one chance to talk to him before he "agreed" to shit with his wife.

He proceeded to start telling me how I was sounding like one of those incel, alt-right losers who hates women, and how he doesn’t like what I’m saying and implying

I proceeded to remind him that he’s the one who’s wife is getting fucked by other men..... He stormed out and haven’t heard from him since

LMAO golden. Holy shit.

"incel, alt-right losers who hates women"

wtf has this guy been reading? has his wife had him on a steady diet of soyboy bloggers for the last 5 years? That definitely smells like "shit I read somewhere and just regurgitated out"

Anyway....sounds like you didn't lose much of a friend. The good news is....there will be a time in the future when he, in an ego-crushing depression at his wife's whoring, will remember your advice and realize with horrifying clarity how right you were.

He may or may not be man enough to hit you up again and admit it, but nbd either way.

If you consider him a good person you did the right thing by take the hit. He might hate you now, and understand later, and possible continue to hate you, or maybe thank you but don't count on it.

I can't speak from experience but I think it was good to hit him hard and early. He has a lot to sort out and it takes time. You made it harder for him now, but the ammo right in the beginning to sort it out the right way.

That said if my woman said that to me I'd already be set on a divorce. I'd covertly talk to a lawyer and see how I could set her up to be destroyed in court. If it checked out I might tell her sure, and have her wingman for me. Because if I'm living lutz then I can't be pickled by hate.

fuck em. you cant save everyone

"I tried explaining to him"

There's your mistake.

You should’ve shut your mouth after you suggested the divorce. Too much, too soon. If he wasn’t open to that idea then how the fuck is he going to be able to comprehend the hypergamous nature of women?

Here’s his first problem.

His underlying problem is that you told him he would have to go out and start competing again. Billy Betas don’t like that. They want to keep living under their bubble, and be fat, dumb, and happy. Or at least deluded.

"We have a rule. We never free a mind once it’s reached a certain age. It’s dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go."

If he wanted to save his marriage, his only play was to act excited and tell his wife that he wants the same thing because there’s someone he’s met that he’d like to bang. It’s a long shot, but his only shot.

Dude you sound like Liam Neeson when you said this. "walk away. It’s done. It’s beyond saving. If she’s asking you to open up the marriage, chances are she’s already been unfaithful or has someone picked out. She’s setting you up for failure. If you say no, she’ll cheat anyways then divorce you and if you say yes, she’ll lose any respect that she has left for you anyways, and still probably divorce you”

Cold. Objective. But true. Like him from taken or the grey.

Give it some time, he got all butthurt over it initially but now the thought is in the back of his mind whether he likes it or not. Sure, maybe still in denial, but you did plant the seed. He'll figure it out on his own eventually but your friendship may or may not reconcile. Be OK with that, but don't be shocked if he comes back with "you were right".

I had the exact. same. conversation. with my ex wife at one point, and thankfully the nice red pilled men on reddit told me what you told him. Set things in motion, albeit I was open to potential answers and not merely in denial of the situation.

"He stormed out and havent heard from him since" - that part made me laugh. Your first piece of advice about it all being over was perfect and would have been enough, Just The Tip my friend.

I found myself going a bit too deep into this shit with a couple of friends, one was fucking a 19year old from work and I told him when it started she would get bored of him and ghost him, as she already did the same thing with another guy in the office a month before (After the obligatory dont fuck around at work advice). Of course he kept being a beta and she lost interest quick. Now I think he resents me a bit because of it lol.

Just remember, keep it on the down low, and if you really need to, Just The Tip.

What an idiot. What did he seriously expect you to say after you told him that? Congratulations, you should be grateful to be a cuck? Your friend apparently has no self-respect.

I said “walk away. It’s done. It’s beyond saving.

Do you know what marriage is for? It is to _take away_ exactly this ability.

So that advice is not even good, it's actually pretty bad. It's okay to tell him that his relationship is _probably_ done for and would have been better to tell him to start prepare to leave his woman with as little trouble as possible.

" I proceeded to remind him that he’s the one who’s wife is getting fucked by other men..... He stormed out and haven’t heard from him since "- farking hell! You gave it to him straight alright.

Perhaps a softer approach in this case might have been: "if you love her, then you have to let her go....."

Although, the hard truth is "wtf bitch? NEXT!" (even if you do have to sugarcoat it for public taste and decency) and go spend time down the gym until things start to improve in a year or so.

That's just another man who thinks that women are property and can be owned like a car or a house and ofcourse, dearly mistaken. He fails to recognize that women can see their value on the market, and getting a beta male is the easiest thing a woman can do. Therefore, dumping his ass will result into no loss and she considered her request to be a win-win. Either she gets rid of him and gets to fuck the alpha dude, or she gets to do both, which is even better. So instead of divorcing him, she opted for the option of getting even more value out of her situation.

Your friend is dilusional, more over the fact that he cannot recognize that women have their own will, desires and needs and fails to meet them. For him, it's difficult to find a woman and lives in the world of the one-and-only soulmate fantasy. That's where we get to the part where his wife is his everything and is insulted by you devaluing her to just some random woman. As for her, her husband is just a random beta guy and she can get better anytime. It's just that after 5 years she realized she won't get any younger or prettier, and it's now or never to live life to the fullest and get fucked like she desired in the last 5 years.

It's the kind of man that believes that everything is alright and will be because they vowed to stay together until death do their part. That's like a home owner not maintaining his house ever and telling himself it's fine as long as it's standing, even though that's barely...

I proceeded to remind him that he’s the one who’s wife is getting fucked by other men...

FUCKING LOL MAN! Pull some punches when you're talking to a friend going through a hard time.

Ouch. You pretty much shoved that red pill right up his ass without lube lol. TRP is not a suppository. It has to be taken in small doses at first with that person coming to their own realization of female nature.

You know sometimes it boils my blood how repititive this situations are that you could just write a program. Won't even need those high tech big data ai implementation. A single loop and some generic if else statements would do

Reminds me a little of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skbmXIzxcZY

He's like most people, can't accept reality and chooses to live in his bubble. It's just sad, he will spend the next months or years taking the redpill the hard way, and at the end if his programming is deep enough he will still refuse to accept what happened to him.

I also agree there's a way to ease people into things, but when someone asks for advice what they usually are asking for is a simple pat on the back.

Seems like you kind of bombarded him with that paragraph. Perhaps sprinkle the truths to him next time.

"You should divorce her, she obviously wants to meet new people."

Then again, why would you want to help a BP anyways? Even if they are family and friends, they can't be saved most of the time and you are better off comforting them.

Don't forget the source of the term "red pill". Morpheus' words in the first 40 seconds of this played out exactly before your eyes with your friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF2iImTqaTs

Only give one thing at a time. And then use the, "my dad once told me..." Or grandad... Or "my uncle went through the same thing..." Or "my brother's wife did the same thing..." And then use normal language.

Basically you are just a medium through which information is passed.

You framed it as, "let me tell how this marriage stuff works..." Except you haven't been married.

You said your piece and that Bell has been rung.

You can lead a horse to water, can't make him drink

too much, too quick. he couldn't absorb it BP filters in full force.

less is more for responding to guys in these situations. something like tell her "do what she wants, but if she does this she won't do it and stay married to him".

then advise him to distance from her, lift, and work on building him, separate from her.

If you want to give someone advice, the acceptance of which requires them to change deeply held beliefs, never tell them they are wrong or make them feels silly. Also don’t make them feel stupid or unload a flood of reality shattering information.

You did the right thing being honest with him, that’s what good friends do - give you the truth despite your feelings when no one else will.

If I’m in this situation I try not to comment on their situation directly, but offer examples separate from them that make my point for me.

First though show that you’ve understood their position entirely by explaining their position back to them, then try figure out other beliefs they hold that are in contradiction to their current situation.

Let them have the battle internally when the conversation is over. Let them think with an outsiders perspective about the examples you gave that have nothing (and at the same time everything) to do with them.

This way they do all the work themselves, you haven’t made them feel silly or fatally threatened their reality in a single sitting.

People are much more likely to change their minds slowly and if they’re able to rationalise themselves to a new position. It’s hard to take this tactic because of course it’s so obvious to you what’s wrong and what they need to do, but practically no one can handle the upheaval and on the spot humiliation to themselves and a friend that would come after your unloading with, “yeah, everything you said is right l, and everything I’ve said and have been doing for X years is wrong”.

It’s classic sunk cost fallacy, people reallllly don’t want to admit they’re so heavily invested in a losing bet, it has to happen piece by piece and on their own terms.

About the actual situation, I’ve been through this myself with a girlfriend. You think you’re giving her what she wants and that somehow this makes you a more caring and reasonable man than the rest, but in reality she’s decided you’re a cuck provider and that she has the right to get her alpha injection elsewhere.

Anyone who agrees to this (and even more so when you’re married and have taken lifelong vows for fuck sake) is permitting betrayal. Absolutely right that the moment she said this the only conclusion a reasonable person could draw is, “this relationship is over”

Poor guy, I hope he sees sense and divorces her entitled ass

Dude asked for a bottle of water and you could help but to drown him with a gallon, come on guy

'You have to understand. Most people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured and so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.'

post/reason no. #1,456,124 not to get married. Women pull this crap like a light switch:

"He said 5 yrs of marriage, and she never once hinted at not being happy, and how he was shocked at how disrespectful it was"

There are too any external factors that prevent a woman from remaining faithful in 2018. plates? Dating? FWB? Sure, fair game. Involving the state and a binding legal contract w/ a 2018 modern day woman? F*CK NO.

Jesus man why did you have to push ya friend off the over pass, you couldn't have asked him some questions to lead his mind to where he needs to be......

How long have you know this friend and why is your ego more important than him finding the red pill?

This is not an attack on you, these are questions to help you move forward.

One stroke in some ass for our lost brother ????

He will be back I am sure but resisted the temptation to say " I told you so ". Instead guide him.

You need to learn how people comunicate. You need to improve your empathy.

What you said is correct, but they way you said it is not. Go slow, be indirect when needed and be aware that talking on a emotional level can be far superior than talking in a rational level

AHAHAHAHAHA

Who gives a damn!? You offered him The Red Pill and he rejected it. Why would you even want to have children this insanely beta as 'friends'!?

AHAHAHAHAHA Thanks for the laugh!

Seems like good advice, red pill or not. Hopefully he sees the light after some more reflection. What a fucking shit situation : /