I was unable to post this before due to the moratorium on posts regarding this topic.
TL;DR The MSM lied about TRPs involvement in the van attack. Had Alek Minnassen visited TRP as they claim, there would have been no attack. The reasons for this are written in the body.
The MSM assumes that all of the manosphere is a single entity, a monolith, but it is not. In fact, blaming a large portion of the manosphere and removing the incel subreddit was likely an important reason for the attack that happened in Toronto.
This Van Attack is the equivalent of US school shootings.
We should have a national conversation about the danger of cars in Canada and pass an amendment to our constitution banning all forms of motorized vehicles! They caused the deaths of innocents!!11!
Jokes aside, many articles focus on the alleged "misogynistic" websites in the manosphere that the killer Alek Minassian frequented such as incels that was taken down and mgtow. He is also said to have posted references to an 'incel rebellion' just as the attack was about to happen. The incels subreddit offered men like Alek a haven to vent his frustrations with dating, it was a support group of sorts. Removing it, removed one of the few remaining places for incels to go to vent their frustrations in a culture that despises incels. This means that they spilled into other subreddits like mgtow or theredpill, the latter of which does not have a positive view of incels either.
It seems that the prediction that TRP makes about beta's needing access to women in order to contribute their intellect to society, holds true. Alek Minassian seems to be a good looking guy, with a typical incel profession (computer programmer). He is a minority (from Armenia) that struggled with women. In Toronto, the outlook for many young men trying to get women is bleak and he would greatly have benefitted from mentoring from older males or the men in TRP (theredpill) community even.
Truth be told, I sympathize with Alek Minassian and fully understand his plight. His attack was more of a plight for help, a last hurrah against what he deemed was an impossible situation caused by an anti-male narrative that he likely acquired from school and the media and the strong Bluepill (BP), for lack of a better word, narrative that his Armenian parents likely taught them. Coming from a post-Soviet space, there is also a strong BP sentiment caused by Romanticism that the Soviet regieme promoted through books and movies. Many people believe it still, but it is counter balanced by a more traditional, pro-masculine culture.
However, when a young boy comes to the West (Canada/US) and is taught the same Romantic notions that he would have learned back home but in this strongly anti-male climate, it serves to confuse the boy and lead him into depression, suicidal or murderous tendencies. There is also a strong pickup culture in many post-Soviet spaces (eg pickup.ru) with similar concepts that PUA and manosphere teaches here in North America which has proven beneficial for the mental health of males in the post-Soviet space.
The manosphere is not to blame for this 'senseless-violence' (LOL) and in fact could have prevented it by giving Alek Minassian hope (after he went through his anger phase) with the support of other men. He would have entered a path of transformation to a better, stronger male and banged many Toronto hos (lets be real, 99% of women in Toronto are huge ho's with laycounts well above the 50 mark). I think Alek Minassian began to subconsciously or consciously recognize redpill truths, or at the very least recognized that none of the mainstream dating advice worked. And this attack was his lashing out that could have been prevented had he found The Red Pill or pickup literature. Finding the faults in women is hardly 'misogyny' as the cucks and fat/ugly feminists claim - it is merely pointing out that women are cunning beings much different from how the French Romantics (cucks) presented them. Women are more inline with the view of dangerous, cunning beings that will lead a man to ruin (as was recognized in many 19th century writings and fiction stories such as Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott, Jack London where he examines female nature, as in "The Wonder of Women" or Dostoevsky).
Here are a few examples on how the MSM illuminates the topic:
As we can see, the MSM either blames 'misogynistic' manosphere sites (such as Mgtow/incels/the red pill (which he never frequented)) or it calls the violence 'senseless' and is confounded by why a man would go on a killing spree because he can't get laid (translation: "what a neckbeard loser, getting laid is easy" - for women). There will probably be commissions established to 'analyze' this, there will be calls to ban subreddits and sites like theredpill, there may even be bans - but none of these commissions will be able to figure out the real reason why such crimes are committed because that would mean exposing the feminine imperative that the feminist overlords promote. This violence will continue unless we as a community continue growing and brining more men under our umbrella.
I also do not believe 'mental illness' is a suitable explanation for the attacks as he was never diagnosed with one (as far as I know) and was able to function well in society (outside of his everpresent frustrations with women). Moreover, I believe "mental illness" to be an unsuitable explanation because men have the highest suicide rate in North America due to a lack of a positive culture for men. While it is true that women have a higher rate of mental illness they also have a lower lethal suicide rate than men, as they mostly do suicide acts for attention, to try to get sympathy from those around them. With that being said, I believe that incels like Alek, either need to go back home (if they are foreign immigrants) to get women, as they will have status and be attractive to women there because they come from Canada and will automatically be viewed as "rich" and thus have a higher SMV compared to local men. In addition, it will allow them to become accustomed to female company. If they are not foreigners (ie they have no country of origin outside Canada), it is crucial that they have a support group or friends that will help them through it or an online community such as this one.
In short, Alek Minnassian chose the Blackpill because he was deeply BP, beliefs taught to him by his parents and culture, in a country with strongly anti-male views. Had he returned to Armenia he would have had greater success with women due to him having a percieved higher SMV. If he had remained in Armenia and never immigrated he would likely have never become an incel, as his BP views would have been balanced by a masculine culture. As a kid he would have been beaten up on the playground, relentlessly shamed and thus forced to become more masculine. Unlike MSM lies, imbibing TRP would have pushed him on a road to improvement and to greater sexual success. Even had he still not gotten laid with TRP, he would have learned to treat his inceldom as his own fault and turn his destruction inwards to become a man rather than blaming women for their nature and turning his destruction outwards. This community has positively changed the lives of many men. Lets hope it continues to do so.
radicalizedIncel 5y ago
Most of you will take the Black Pill eventually. I was one of you once, now I'm this.
DareyFathom 5y ago
MSM is going to conflate any critical thinking philosophy that undermines their own power.
zephyrprime 5y ago
You're using the word "conflate" wrong
DareyFathom 5y ago
I think they are mixing multiple independent approaches and misrepresenting them as one unified theory.
iLLprincipLeS 5y ago
Facebook issued a typical corporate mail that let the media spin however they wanted the declaration. Maybe the post was real but the account fake or maybe there was no post and facebook just deleted Minassian's real account.
There's a high possibility that the a fake account was created after the attack by one of the MSM journalists to be reported as FAKE NEWS and use the attack as a way to promote the anti male agenda and further censor online male communities that offer an informational alternative based on truth.
Troll_Name 5y ago
As I always say, it's simpler than that.
MSM keeps a vault of filth and decay which it loads into its catapult whenever someone rises too high while opposing their interests or even falling outside of them. On the channel for Jews you'll be called a nazi; on the channel for jihadis you'll be called a Jew. The basic idea is to pile as much credible-threat as humanly possible onto another person in particular, so they see the disproportionate wave of force organized against them and simply give up. Giving up is the pavement upon which tyranny most easily travels. In one word: intimidation.
Catalans are being called nazis for their independence movements. Nazis forced smaller states into involuntary unions while Catalonia is attempting to escape from an involuntary union.
TriggeringEveryone 5y ago
In practice this works out to you being called a Nazi damn near everywhere.
TheRealJesusChristus 5y ago
Except when you talk to jihadists. Which you prpably do on a daily basis, dont you? /s
AussiecuntTRP 5y ago
TRP IS THE PHILOSOPHICAL ANTITHESIS OF INCELDOM
TRP at it's core is the understanding that no one on earth owes you anything and that your path to achievement is paved by your own effort. This is what incels evidently lack. They refuse to understand that women don't owe them sex and that the way to get sex is to improve your SMV, something which everyone can do. Furthermore, they put sex and women on a pedastal and think that a life without sex is one not worth living. An incel life isn't not worth living due to the lack of sex itself. It's not worth living because of the pure lack of self esteem and confidence that a happy and independant man feels. Sex is just a biproduct of that confident mentality.
The irony of our society is that it comdemns the Incel philosophy as 'sexist' which it certainly is, but then but then also denounces TRP which is the very antidote to that self-destructive mentality. It disgusts me.
exit_sandman 5y ago
I would also add one thing: TRP is a fundamentally optimist philosophy.
Yeah, maybe pessimist regarding female nature (human nature in general, actually), but asctually quite optimist regarding one's own chances. People who visit TRP are either people who learned (usually the hard way) that it works, or people who hope that learning to apply it will help them. Either way you have people who operate under the assumption that out there's an entire world that waits for them to succeed.
Incels, blackpills or whatever on the other hand are people who have given up, who don't think that they can "win" (for a giving measure of "winning"), who have internalized the idea that they can only fail.
If you had to make a bet that a member of one of these two groups would go out and start shooting random people, who would it be?
zephyrprime 5y ago
This is classic fallacy of composition. If everyone improved their smv then no one will have improved their smv . Smv is graded on a curve.
redpilledcuck 5y ago
Everyone can, not everyone is going to.
AussiecuntTRP 5y ago
Doesn't make me wrong. Everyone can improve if they judge improvement based on where they themselves started.
Ivan_The_Reddish 5y ago
I'd say it's not that they refuse to understand that women don't owe them sex it's that they're incapable of understanding that women don't owe them sex, since they've bought in hard to the BP narrative. It seems that for most people on TRP they were driven to discover the Red Pill as a result of a particularly brutal relationship, but you can't be Red Pilled by a relationship if you're never in a relationship to begin with.
THEnimble_mongoose 5y ago
The MSM is losing all power that it used to once have. People are turning off their idiot boxes and ignoring the propaganda that social media is spamming them with.
Who gives a shit what the dying legacy mockingbird media says about TRP?
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
looking at the 'trending' posts on facebook, there still seems to be thousands of people posting with typical brainwashed BP stuff.
jewishsupremacist88 5y ago
its easy to get caught up thinkinkg more and more people are waking up if you read subreddits like this or visit sites like the daily stormer..but despite the fact these sites are growing..the masses are still heavily brainwashed.
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THEnimble_mongoose 5y ago
Do you really not know that Facebook manipulates their algorithm and manipulates the trending articles and deletes and censors articles they don't want to trend?
Social media is not representative of reality.
https://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006
Did you already forget how social media spent all of 2016 assuring us that Hillary Clinton was going to win the US elections in a landslide? That's only because DNC shills bought ad space on social media XD
Trending articles on facebook and twitter are exactly the same as the top voted articles on certain politically related subreddits that cannot be named-they are paid and sponsored shill articles. Keep in mind they will only ever show you what they want you to see.
OmegaMan2 5y ago
The shutting down of the "incel" Reddit group, despite the petitions to do so, was a rather foolish if not a dangerous move.
While the discussions may and most likely were over the top, they did provide an outlet for the frustrations of the men we call involuntary celibates. Without this outlet and this ability to talk, the pressures build and build and in those apparently not so rare cases, explode with devastating results. It would have been far better to have a moderator on staff to gently direct these frustrated young men to other forums, such as this one, where they could have come to see the path of understanding and enlightenment to a better self.
Unfortunately, in today's left leaning, feminine-centric society even the smallest and most sensible effort to help our brothers cope is viewed as misogynistic and evil. Our society feminizes men and then wonders why they lash out when they are rejected en masse.
p.s. Unless things change and change soon, my feeling is that we are headed for a Bronze Age style collapse, that is the total and complete obliteration of our society as we know it.
[deleted] 5y ago
No, dont give them places they can openly become that piece of shit, we should be encouraging human beings to grow.
bossplayaintraining 5y ago
If Toronto women are such “hoes”, how come they’re impossible to pick up?
GoldAri7 5y ago
Hypergamy works on beast mode in that place. I think it is a big part PUA types don't actually get it and because of that the city got a bad rap.
The thing is that game without status, social value and lookz will not get you so far with high tiered women. In Toronto they are more consciente about it in my perception, but as another fella posted, the 80/20 rule there is on roids.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
Because it’s NYC/LA/Miami for Canucks. Many high $MV males, so it takes a lot more effort, be it money, looks, or generally being interesting, to stack up. It’s not impossible, you just need to work harder and/or git gud. You don’t necessarily have to be rich either, and in fact money with beta behaviors is counterintuitive; there’s different ways to be high SMV.
[deleted] 5y ago
Most women are fucking 20% of the dudes in Toronto. It's not impossible. RooshV failed because we only went to clubs at night. It's easier when women are alone.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
For the average dude. In toronto the 80/20 rule applies in full force. Either you have money (500k+)/have an amazing social circle/are jacked - then girls are easy af, or you wont have anything.
Troll_Name 5y ago
To bossplayaintraining:
Sluts think they're fucking their way up the food chain. In their 20s they think that when they're 50 they'll be wife-of-billionaire material. The 80th percentile is utterly beneath them - in their own mind - because the 90th percentile nutted on their face once five years ago.
To Chaddeus_Rex:
There are still HIV+ leaper amputees biofathering children out there. The more widely you cast your search, the less likely you are to come up empty-handed. SMV is about being able to search for what you WANT and still have options to choose from.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Sure gettijg a fat, ugly cunt with a shitty attitude is easy for the average dude but even an incel cant get it up for a woman like that.
[deleted] 5y ago
too much anger, fear, shame, validation addiction, and depression does that to a guy
red_matrix 5y ago
Can anyone from Toronto confirm? This is a city of 5+ million people, more girls here than most places. I assume big cities (and their 'burbs) are the best places to pick up...is this just incel mentality creeping in here?
Lavlamp 5y ago
Toronto doesn't feel like a big city, it feels like a connecting group of big cities. It's a weird feeling to be there. You could bump into someone on a Friday night, talk, and then most likely never see them again. This isn't incel mentality, I'm actually truly glad I live in Edmonton.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Don't know if its changed since the 80s but picking up women in Edmonton was comparatively easy (easier than any place I've lived since in the USA and UK).
Lavlamp 5y ago
Rediculously easy. Everyone has decent blue collar money, so noone caress about it for the most part.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
I was a student at the University of Alberta so I didn't have much money -- didn't seem to matter so long as I had enough for gas for my old car and a few beers.
Lavlamp 5y ago
Nait/u of a/grant mac are all amazing for meeting people in general hey
red_matrix 5y ago
Just curious how is this any different from any other big city?
Lavlamp 5y ago
Edmonton has over a million people, yet it feels like everyone knows everyone.
red_matrix 5y ago
Do you prefer smaller cities or larger ones (like Toronto)?
Lavlamp 5y ago
Definitely smaller cities, no question. In Toronto you feel like a nobody, and status seems to matter a lot more.
htbf 5y ago
No one cares about that moron. Jesus.
There is no "involvment". Can we move on and ignore the goddamn noise ?
Troll_Name 5y ago
yes
they'll just turn it up louder
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Just because you dont care doesnt make it a topic worthy of discussion.
In fact, if we don't discuss it ghe fire will get worse.
htbf 5y ago
It's not a discussion when everyone agrees. It's a circle jerk.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Its useful to analyze why that is the case. Also its a useful topic for new people coming in.
richardhead6666 5y ago
The redpill and subsequent groups from this concept truly make the status quo freak the fuck out. Ask your self this question, men love women so if you want to brainwash society on an idea, who do you get to go along with ideas first? Just a thought that’s open to debate.
lorum_ipsum_dolor 5y ago
Time to bookmark those links to the Manosphere in the sidebar gentlemen.
gerwig 5y ago
I doubt whether the guy was actually into incel forums or if it was just planted on his facebook page, because his profile was pretty empty otherwise.
[deleted] 5y ago
Kind of done to death....Anyway, I will say this, if TRP is banned, it's the personalities I'll miss the most. I have all I need regarding pick up with one Good Looking Loser post, and a few more from Blackdragon for managing multiple women. Uncle V, mattyanon and GLO are harder to replace.
Troll_Name 5y ago
If TRP is banned it'll be the personalities I miss the least.
Often times this board is little more than an inner-circle wankfest, but compared with most boards they actually understand this and try to limit the damage. The hard part is striking a balance between all-mods-no-users and all-noise-no-signal.
GoldAri7 5y ago
The nice thing about TRP is the beyond girls aspect. Getting one night stands and fucking plates on the regular is nice, but your mission should receive priority.
The posts about building power are truly gems in this SJW manginas society.
Reading things here got me questioning the kind of friends I was having and why. Surrounding yourself with good people and aligned with your mission is a critical leadership skill.
[deleted] 5y ago
I don't recognize you, and I'm no one important here, but you put your finger on an incredibly important point.
Jocko Willnick sold me hardcore on leading up and down the leadership chain.
Some bitches are on your side. Some bitches are aligned with your mission. Sometimes, you believe in your bitch and want her to do great....can't do that without Abundance Mentality, because we all know what happens next.
That's a headline post, but probably not here.
oldrunnerguy 5y ago
We all need a place to vent. In the same manner that women go to places to complain about men, (they obviously have their own subreddits), we reserve the right to vent our frustrations and exchange information about women. I have recently been through a divorce in which many of our marital issues were never resolved due my ex-'s refusal to talk about them. I could lash out too, but choose to come here and some of the other manosphere forums. It's not all about our gripes. It's about understanding truths and navigating the landscape. We all need some outlet to discuss things. And sometimes realizing that we're not all alone in our difficulties, that can make all the difference in the world.
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[deleted] 5y ago
Well hopefully these incels will die out and it'll be the last....
scary times ahead
wheresMYsteakAt 5y ago
They are latent homosexuals
Troll_Name 5y ago
Gay isn't even controversial anymore. Hell, the only thing that IS controversial is openly opposing the cronyist monopoly on free thought.
wheresMYsteakAt 5y ago
I agree, they need to just come out the closet but I think many of them fear they will be judged.