This applies in almost every situation when you are dealing with people and it is a life lesson I have learned the hard way. Run an experiment yourself to see the reaction some of your life goals incite in other people. It doesn't even have to be in real life, it can simply be on the AskTRP sub. Only when you have seen it in action do you start to notice how true all of it is.
Go and tell people that your goal is to be rich before you turn 30.
For people who leave you to be and wish you all the best, chances are they are rich themselves or they genuinely don't care for being rich. Some people will genuinely offer you advice, these are people who have made it or have good intentions.
For the people who give you more of an indifferent response, they genuinely don't give a shit about being rich and see being real wealthy as overrated.
But the people I am talking about are the ones who will get angry at you, criticize rich people or make you feel petty for your goals. Listen to the people who rant about how the rich are always unhappy, tell you that you are crazy, make you feel guilty for pursuing your goal and try hard to get you off that track. Watch for how lively their reaction gets and pay close attention to how they try to take a morally self-righteous approach ("I am a better person than you for not wanting to be rich").
And it doesn't apply to getting rich either, it applies to anything.
It applies to wanting to fuck hot girls.
It applies to wanting to be popular on social media.
It applies to wanting to have a fun life.
It applies to wanting to live in a world class city.
In real life, you will see it manifested by people who actively try to talk you out of the goal or people who try to make you feel like Satan for wanting to pursue what you want. Online it can manifest itself in people trying to start a smear campaign against you or reporting each and every one of your threads in an attempt to sabotage your message.
What gives?
I always tried to understand the mentality of people who are so hellbent in stopping others from pursuing a certain goal. After truly digging into it and trying to get the workings of their minds, I started to understand that they wish they had that very goal. Then I was left asking myself the main question, why try so hard to stop others from pursuing it?
Then I realized the truth to it at all, these people were too weak to admit to themselves that they wanted that goal and would have lacked the traits to get to it.
The guy who shames you for wanting to get hot girls?
He wants them more than you do but at the same time, due to the mental gymnastics of these people, he tries to put on the act of being Pope and making you feel below him for wanting to pursue that goal. Some common tactics he will use are calling you shallow, telling you that pursuit of hot girls is "empty" and saying that ugly girls can fuck better. All of these are diversions to take you off that track.
Nothing hurts a loser more than seeing someone getting the very thing they wanted their whole lives but lacked the spine or work ethic to get.
And most importantly, if anyone ever takes the morally superior approach to you and your goals, be weary, these people are the epitome of backstabbing snakes that will turn on their closest friend in a heartbeat. These people are the scum of humanity and cold blooded sociopaths who belong in the deepest darkest circle of hell.
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You are sad. I feel sorry for you. Seriously pitiful. I find all your goals to be petty. I don’t give a shit about money, hot girls (I can get plenty without acting like a hunter gatherer retard) as a goal makes you seriously pathetic. Living in a world class city is cool, but the way you present your goals and criticize people who see you as a Trisomy 21 Down Syndrome mentally retarded ass as just being angry because inside, you know how pathetic you are.
I’d rather have goals like build a school in Kenya for children who can’t afford school. Build a water well in a Ugandan village to provide clean water to people. Run a Hep B vaccination campaign in Egypt to prevent a deadly disease from killing and hurting people. You? You want to be rich and get hot girls. Sad. Beyond beta. You are like the end of the alphabet.
pandaboar2 5y ago
oh how cute you are trying to sound like a Pope, I bet those are not genuinely your goals at all and you are doing them so people can praise you, not because you genuinely care about starving children
dynasty_400 5y ago
Wanting to be popular on social media is gross.. in talking about the logan Paul genre of internet famous.. they seem spineless and needy...
pandaboar2 5y ago
No, its actual modern and quite beneficial, its called building your brand and everyone in the modern age has to do it. It shows you have status and are not some poor shut-in.
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backtothebeginning11 5y ago
Respectfully disagree (and I agree with all of your other points), just because something is promoted in the modern age/culture, doesn't mean it aligns with our natures and what is best for our long term happiness.
pandaboar2 5y ago
You can be happy being broke and ugly, but if you want to succeed and make a name for yourself in this world, social media is the go to.
zyqkvx 5y ago
I have a simple rule. Never discuss self improvement with anyone else. I try to challenge myself: do you want people to look at you in awe, or be a sniveling mostly desregardable life coach, because if you want to be the latter, share your personal goals with others as you pursue them. I can't seem to go hard in the gym for more than 3 months before I sharing some great guidance with someone and they like it but can only grasp about 20%. Next thing I know it a week passes and I stop working out. WTF.
Psychologists say if you give credit to someone before they finish a goal you are giving the same stimulation in their mind center as they get for finishing the goal. So since they received the stimulation they no longer have the drive to complete the task. Example. A teacher saying to a student, "I know you'll do great on the test next week" <winks>. The teacher unknowingly demotivates the student.
This type of dynamic seems to apply in a lot of situations.
When I'm trying to share my wisdom with unmotivated people around me I'm not helping them, I am disservicing myself and I have to accept that I'm sharing because of my own boundary issues. I can keep my gains to myself, or I can discuss it with other people who make gains. But as soon as I become a happy go lucky friend and 'share' my good info with a non-gain based friend I'm mixing my business of gains unprofessionally with unskilled team members. I've basically inviting my friends to help run this business of gains when they aren't qualified.
A great way to stop making gains is to talk about the gains you are making.
The best way to not get a BBQ assembled is to tell someone how great your day is after you get the BBQ assembled.
A great way for the Germans to lose a cup game is by merely realizing that the German team you are on is clearly superior Mexican team you are about to play.
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RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
"The only people who tell you that you can't make it are the ones who failed."
Not sure where I saw this quote, but it's very relevant to this post. People hate when they see someone succeed in something that they failed to do.
JerryLawlerPigFace 5y ago
This post is spot on, and I’ve been toying with the same theory in the past 6 months after noticing it myself from immediate family members.
Often times the envy, criticism, and pessimism that from that specific person not thinking of the goal themselves. Watch closely, because the people that rip on you will often follow in your footsteps and copy you a few months down the road. If you actually do achieve your goal or see progress, you can bank on it.
The possibility of you achieving your goal threatens them. They want you to stay at the same level as them forever. If you start to climb the ladder of “success”, they feel it will highlight their own weaknesses because they’re still in the same spot. So, they want you to stay at the bottom with them.
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backtothebeginning11 5y ago
Agreed. While I can understand wanting to build a brand if you are a celebrity or a life coach or whatever, for your average guy, caring about your Likes on Facebook just seems really needy to me.
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Nonames4U 5y ago
Yeah that's pretty unlikely. There's way more reliable ways to retire. I retired at 28 by just working in manufacturing and buying lots of real estate. I discourage people from trying strategies that have a very very low success rate, such as sports and acting, because the boring old "buy a bunch of fucking investments" is just so damn reliable. It seems to me that the only people who just aren't satisfied with total unlimited freedom, are narcissists. And I don't think narcissists are capable of experiencing happiness.
genuine_destructive 5y ago
Yeah but then you have to become a brand. I think a lot about this since I lead a pretty interesting life / have a fun personality - so I think I could take a crack at becoming a “brand”, but commodifying my daily experiences will inevitably lead to me seeking out only experiences that commodify well... and that sounds like hell.
But, still think about it because it doesn’t seem too hard hahah... would be cool to hear your thoughts
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Reminds me of the fat/washed up beta-husband bragging about how faithful they are, as if they had a choice.
paulkersey1999 5y ago
i used to think that was the reason too, but then i figured it out; it's not that they want it (whatever it is) for themselves, they just want to STOP other people from getting what THEY want. it's called "spite" and i believe it's INSTINCTUAL. Everybody does it, and nobody ever talks about it. i'll give you an example...what happens if you want to change lanes on a highway and you put on your signal to indicate your lane change? inevitably, the person in that lane will SPEED UP to prevent you from doing so. they don't even think about it, it's an automatic reaction as if your turn signal is connected to their gas pedal. Have you ever done this to someone else? Of course you have. Why did you do it? You were driving at your chosen speed. Someone else changing lanes won't effect you, but you just had to stop them, right? "oh no you don't! nobody comes into MY lane". Why do people constantly rat on each other, when doing so is of no benefit to them? Same reason. They can't stand to see someone else get what they want, and they will do almost anything to stop them. Now that you know this, you will begin to notice instances of this happening in your life all the time. This is why it's a bad idea to ever tell anyone (friends and family INCLUDED) of your ambitions. They will automatically try to stop you from getting them. I promise it's true. If you let someone know you like a particular girl, for example, they will deliberately fuck up your chances with her. They will say you called her a slut behind her back (and she will believe them). Not because they want her for themselves, they just want to stop YOU from getting her.
Zippy1776 5y ago
This is why I converted to a motorcycle-only lifestyle this year. Yes, I have sped up to close gaps, but it's always an active choice for me. If I would have to slow down to let them over I simply don't. If they're going slower than me and want to move in front of me that's them being the crab bucket. If they're coming up on me quickly and them getting in front of me would not cause me to slow down, I usually let them in. I got utterly sick of the bullshit passengers would give me because my philosophy to traveling was not the standard "Be happy stuck behind slow people who have no goals or drive to get to their destination because some internet article says it's safer".
Hence the motorcycle. First and foremost is the money saved. Entire year of insurance for \~$165, no passenger capacity for people who need help moving their stuff, or picking up groceries from the store for them, NO MALE PASSENGERS EVER, and the ability to no longer allow other people's shitty beliefs about how I should drive to affect me. While not always legal to do so, I absolutely do not ride behind people or allow them to box me in. I'll lane split, go around on the shoulder, not get stuck in traffic and have the ability to outrun ANY of the crazy ass shit-heads who think they're somehow deputized because someone passed them on the road. All the time being able to look cool and arrive at my destination unimpeded.
thepanda37 5y ago
Jesus Christ, the bitching and lack of self-awareness ITT. Y'all sound exactly like those wannabe career-bimbos in business-slutty outfits, who in one moment complain about not being taken seriously, only to spout some vapid "live love laugh"-bs in the next one, that we all (would) like to bang.
Just like the above, you expect to have your cake and eat it too: to indulge in some selfish ego-stroking and get validation for that same thing. What do you expect to hear - "you go girl"?
Do you actually expect people to be inspired by you wanting to fuck bitches and get money?
If you view "self-improvement" trough the lens of getting more stuff that you want, then ofc people will shame you, and rightfully so ffs. People who have no selfishness to be ashamed of - but instead: convictions, actual aspirations to sth - will not be writing posts like this one.
pandaboar2 5y ago
yall..
yall.......
yall?
And yes, people want more fancy shit, get over it, its human nature to want to fuck, get fancy shit and fuck some more.
thepanda37 5y ago
Right, those desires are basic human nature. So having them is not something most people need to wish for. So again, why did you expect pats on the shoulder for exhibiting those?
Not being over it, getting to the better stages of human nature, is apparently your problem. Get over it indeed, instead of complaining about people seeing trough you.
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thepanda37 5y ago
You got it. Sexual strategy is amoral. So don't forget that this goes both ways. There is and always ought to be more to your aims. You deserve no recognition if that's the frame under which you operate.
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thepanda37 5y ago
Understand that "crabs in the bucket" is the default, because people being crabs is the default, and TRP with its associated "goals" is for learning those default basics. No more, no less. Don't get a big head from that alone, you're supposed to make sth actually valuable out of it. Then, once you rise above self-pity, you will, among other things, drastically reduce the amount of people being mean to you in the manner that this thread cries about. How exactly would you like to be treated, little princess? I think for many it’s like after being tied to the bed for months, one may be irritated at people not sharing your enthusiasm for jogging every single day (even from those who actually do it). Some people here seem to have been "crippled" psychologically, socially, emotionally, now they overcompensate.
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Zippy1776 5y ago
This is absolutely true. My own parents were like this and I had to cut them out of my life. It took me way too long to understand this because of crappy life situations.
apatel215 5y ago
Jcole said it best "if they don't know your dreams, then they cant shoot em down"
1x2many 5y ago
I just saved up and bought myself a thing I’ve wanted for a few years, new bike, right? Fuck man. People I thought I knew have the balls to be jealous, to not say, “cool man, nice, grats.” But instead to get 1 jelly 2 petty 3 go to guilt mode. I am showing off? Fuck yeah I am, is that a thing now, too? I’m a mellow guy and not all rage oriented, I can grow without other people shrinking but people are funny and when it’s family it stops being humorous and gets knife fight dirty quick. But they save that for when I let my guard down a moment and they can really fuck me up, new bike? So don’t forget to wear a helmet. Business failed, house robbed by bank, dog poisoned and I broke a collar bone? That’s when they come share... peace, man/
uwey 5y ago
If you want to announce a goal, make it count and learn how to weaponize your verbal weaponry.
Look Trump’s tweet, deadliest weapon in modern history, the man is god-like in social and business game.
He learned and observe a trend, and will select the best timeline to use your best game to beat you, how that is not art of war I have no other way to describe it.
Be flexible and firm about our own agenda, attack at correct time with your might, strike down your enemy with full blow, learn how and when to be weak and call it for surrender and rebuild. Learn how to NEVER trust anyone, but trust enough to build relationships and have Iron Will to cut ties when a person no longer suit you.
All man are born alone, truly alone.
Few man just more aware than others.
48 law and Art of war is best read before age of 20, and read again when you 30, and again in 40. They all the same text but carry different weight in words in different age group with your maturity and social/money/physique wealth.
rmandan 5y ago
That book is depressing. You realize that everything is not as it seems and it hits you like a truck in the same way TRP hits you when it comes to women.
mvnarachi 5y ago
You are depressing. TRP and the laws of power is just the truth. Accept and grow.
rmandan 5y ago
No hard feelings man. OP admitted it too. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to accept it. Best of luck brother!
mvnarachi 5y ago
No hard feelings here either bro. Good that you are accepting. It's the only way to have true power. Thank you and may your power increase.
Restlessmindsyndrome 5y ago
I think it's more empowering than depressing. It's just like girls, awalt means they lie, hamster and manipulate but that doesn't mean they're doing it on a conscious level.
Power is involved in every social interaction we have whether we're aware of it or not. 90% of the time people are acting from a subconscious level, so if we can learn how and why it works like it does we have a huge advantage.
rmandan 5y ago
I never thought of power in the same way as women. That was really enlightening there.
hbss 5y ago
Are not the same. There’s plenty of not powerful people who drown in pussy. People in general are attracted to power. Not just women.
apatel215 5y ago
Funny, the other day i was at my cousins baby shower. At the end we were just talking, me, him and his wife. And family being family, always make jokes and tease the single people about marriage and what not especially due to the culture. Anyway, something came up while i was talking to the two about that and i shrug it off with something along the lines of "IF i get married." They laugh and he tries to downplay the fact that I have control of my own life and will live how I want. He even said something that made it seem like I'm trapped by my family "if i couldn't get away from it, then what makes you think you could?" (or something like that) At the time it actually got me mad but after reading this post i get it now. He didn't have control and desires the control I have now.
Mr_Badass 5y ago
I get fitness shamed sometimes. Get sarcastically called playboy or pimp by middle aged women because I lift . They assume I want to fuck every girl.
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RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
I have gotten fitness shamed by skinny or out of shape dudes and probably some women too. They say "you must be on steroids" even though I'm 5'9" and about 180lbs which is pretty good and look great, but nothing crazy like the huge bodybuilders. I have also gotten the "glamour muscles" comment.
Aufbruch 5y ago
I think they're just being playful/oggling, man...
JensenMse 5y ago
Lol the first time I started lifting, I told my mum about it and she told me to stop coz "it's just a useless waste of time". Yeah right, I had girls cat-call me after the first two weeks I started lifting. Go figure.
I learnt the hard way to never tell people about my plans, but instead for them to just see the fruits of my hard labor.
Mr_Badass 5y ago
Mothers think its a waste of time because they don't the results and it doesn't make money. They will always see you as their little boy. Keep lifting!
BewareTheOldMan 5y ago
Fitness-shamed...in a country where 2/3 of the population (USA) is overweight, this is problematic.
See also: "I’m a famously fit mom—and was shamed for it"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/i’m-a-famously-fit-mom—and-was-shamed-for-it/ar-AAyHBLl?ocid=spartanntp
Haters gonna hate.
Also: "More Than Two-Thirds of Americans Are Overweight or Obese"
https://www.livescience.com/51295-rates-obesity-overweight-nhanes-us.html
Mr_Badass 5y ago
It's starting to become really common. Nonlifters see going to the gym as some sort of obsession or religion and call you a "gym rat" or "gym bro".
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_TheRP 5y ago
When I started my business I really, really noticed this. I can't say I'm surprised by the reaction looking at it objectively - we're envious creatures.
It was a good wake up call for myself, though. Showing that envy is the same as showing weakness. Understand when people are doing this to you, and avoid doing it to other people as much as possible.
CheeseKringle 5y ago
tl;dr: crab bucket mentality
Poor people have poor ways. They will try and tear you down because misery loves company.
Have you ever noticed how people who complain a lot feed off of the validation they get from complaining? Negative people hate positive thinking. It's sad.
I just make a note of these people and spend as little time around them as possible.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
It's the same as married people who try to shame that single guy into marriage. "when are you gonna find someone to settle down with?"
Aufbruch 5y ago
Try being a married couple that doesn't want kids--it's even worse. Family and co-workers who have like six toddlers running around calling us "selfish" and "unnatural". X D
Zippy1776 5y ago
The entire "no kids yet?" and "no marriage yet?" crowd are disgusting in my opinion. Someone bringing up either point in a serious tone around me is the quickest way to end up on my POS list. I have concentrated on financial security and had a hard life because of it, due to such shit-heads. I've learned that the ONLY effective way to deal with such people is to forcibly delete them from my life. Within 1 year of doing that my car was repossessed, landed a good job, bought a motorcycle instead and picked up a membership to Life Time Fitness as I move back to the life I desire.
Aufbruch 5y ago
It's a bit harder to do that when they're family, but thankfully it's only coming from kid-loaded cousins, and not parents.
Funny thing was, in nearly the same breath, these same cousins asked us if we might be able to babysit their ever-growing litter.
The wife and I both laughed out loud, and she asked: "So, that whole "crying" thing......you just shake them really hard and that shuts that whole business down, right?"
And this is why I married this woman, heh. Needless to say, they never broached the topic again.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
That must suck. I have seen plenty of stories or articles out there about married couples who don't want kids, facing that kind of pressure. If anything, you can make the argument that it's more selfish to have kids that you probably won't be able to afford, than to have kids because it's "in your biology" or you want some.
I don't want kids either. I just find it ridiculous how people are shamed for making a responsible decision. Plus, they don't take into account the fact that you would be able to donate much more money or time to different charities, than if you had kids. Also, I feel bad for the kids who are born to parents who didn't want them, but only had them because that's why society and their peers wanted.
conflagratorX 5y ago
If you are doing something:
Don't remember who said this but it is quite accurate (even if a bit an exaggeration).
Just do your thing and don't tell others what are your plans.
laylowwww 5y ago
There is a difference between confiding in a confidant and broadcasting your shit to the world. If you don't have 1 or 2 aces you're doing it wrong.
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zyqkvx 5y ago
Point one seems split in half. I've had people doing the same thing freely supportive, and people doing the same thing that are standoffish and avoidant because they see you as a competitive threat and give 0 support trying to keep you at bay.
Each has happened many times.
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conflagratorX 5y ago
First point is more about competition than anything else. I also don't strongly agree with this - that's why I said it is little bit of an exaggeration.
halfback910 5y ago
I mean it depends on the situation. A friend of mine recently told me "Hey. I'm going to get involved with this real estate business!"
"How do they make their money?"
"You buy empty plots of land!"
"And develop them?
"No you just resell them for more."
He goes on to describe an obvious scam. They'll TEACH you how to make money doing this for only two thousand dollars! I begged him not to get involved not because I also wanted that desire but because i didn't want to see him get taken.
NormalAndy 5y ago
Success is the best revenge.
People trying to put me off my goals are little more than a welcome shit test- a "how much do I really want it anyway?" moment.
Real life is harsh like that so better to err on the side of caution wrt others advice. If someone comes with even well-intentioned criticism, I remain suspicious until my own evidence comes in. No need to bitch and blame them when their advice turns out to be crap either. Take full responsibility.
Nutman-maddog 5y ago
Another good post describing crab bucket mentality. People hate seeing over people achieve, it is a reminder of their failures and non eventful lives.
I now view crab bucket type comments as a positive thing. As it is an indicator of people noticing improvement.
I wanted to get better at guitar so I spent a bit of time practicing and improving. I didn’t notice the improvement over time until someone said. “You spend too much time on that”.
I quit smoking and everytime I go out an old friend will try convince me to smoke with them. As OP said, they have a goal deep down to quit too but not strong enough to commit. They see someone else do it and it drives them crazy.
Zippy1776 5y ago
The smoking thing is my mother in a nut shell.
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Thank you for saying it out somewhere man.
I learned this the hard way and since then my perspective has changed and also, I have become better at focusing and concentrating on the actions which will lead to my goal.
SKRedPill 5y ago
And beware of those who will do everything they can to convince you to stop and then do that exact same thing themselves - you'll realize how many people are actually competing with you.
Watch what they do, not what they say. Large scale data does not lie.
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thegreattot 5y ago
Like I'll give you the Transgender thing but 911 was pissed off muslims, the Holocaust was pissed off Germans, and school shooting are just pissed off weirdos . . . The government isn't as powerful as you think or they would've handled everything 10 times better than they have . I mean yes we have an awesome army but some drunk dude snuck into the white house once and dicked around for like 20 minutes before anyone realized it .