This is going to be a super long post so here are the cliffs for this post.
Cliffs:
- Following your passions may not lead to fullfilment
- 9-5 is soul killer, if you like it’s great for you but I couldn’t think of anything worse
- without a path I want to be on it’s extremely depressing for me
- your passion could lead to being just another job
For me 9-5 is a soul killer, if you like it that’s good for you but in my opinion I couldn’t think of anything worse then unpaid commute and stuck under artificial light for 8+ hours. 9-5 jobs in general for me are a no go. Of course we need money to survive so we need some sort of income. Alternative would be online business right? Online business to me is a ticket to freedom but here is the problem, I have had a few online businesses in the past but same result, I didn’t enjoy it at all and it felt like another shitty job. Yer you get the freedom to work from anywhere with a wifi connection but honestly it wasn’t fullfilling at all and you get used to your life pretty quickly. I have spoken to many “Digital nomads” who sat down with me and opened up saying “look man I’m actually not that happy” so another option would be to “follow your passion” for the past 6 months I have been working towards this plan I had, to earn money from this particular passion at the time. So recently the day finally arrived and I couldn’t believe it, I had my one way ticket to Thailand to peruse to what I thought to be my passion and also my ticket to a fullfilled exsistence. After a week I came home currently in the most depressed state I have ever been, it’s a very difficult time for me right now. Pershing your passion may make you happy but yet again I have spoken to people where once they tried to make money from there passion they stopped enjoying it. Guys please I’m not trying to discourage any of you to follow your dreams or live the Digital nomad life. Truth is we all have different goals and aspirations and that’s ok :) I am just sharing a perspective. Pretty much for me I want the digital nomad lifestyle but I want to be living that lifestyle living a fullfilled life doing things I want to do. Problem is I found out first hand passions don’t necessarily lead to fulfilment or actual long term joy. In my current struggle state I honestly have no idea what to do. I have never felt so lost in my entire life, the idea of getting another job scares me because I am currently a loose cannon. Would love some more perspectives and if anyone has had similar situations that would be awesome to hear from you guys.
CasaDeFranco 6y ago
9-5 isn't a soul killer. Not having a reason for existence is a soul killer.
Find the intersection of your talent, education and what pays and pursue that. In the end not everyone can get paid to do what they love; sometimes you find you love what you do.
My father didn't love construction, he didn't love getting on site at 6am, he did it because he had to feed our family. But after 4 decades, he's rewarded with a senior position, a fantastic salary, and a genuine passion in his industry. He still works his ass off and instilled a solid work ethic in me growing up.
TL:DR You can't always do what you love, but you will eventually love what you do if you apply yourself.
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[deleted] 6y ago
The way I see life is that you aren't passionate in one thing. To say we all have one passion and that we have to find it is as bogus as finding our one true love. We know that there can't be one woman so there can't be one passion. Instead I advise a different approach on life that I adopted in the last 3 months.
Instead of berating myself for not having a passion I decided that I would instead live passionately. I decided that I would enjoy going into work. Doing my job better and learn new skills. Keeping my house clean by picking up my clothes, cleaning the sink after I shave and having an all around fresh and clean home. Taking care of my body by eating right and working out. Doing fun hobbies instead of watching tv. Reading and watching educational videos to grow as a person. I even decided that I'm going to start my own business and I'm working on launching in 90 days!
I think one of the biggest traps we can get into is thinking that there is one special job out there. That is as hopeless of the perfect woman. Instead you should aim to live a passionate life. Do what you want to do as much as you can and do the things you don't want to do with excellence.
Usziel 6y ago
Amazing concept to integrate into our daily lives. We sit at the cross-road of boyhood far too long debating what passion would evoke us to become a greater version of ourselves. not realizing that if we don't find it that indecision is our default and we tread through life following new trends and looking for the next best thing. Instead live passionately and carve out a life for yourself that you can be proud of!
capitalistis 6y ago
I'm sorry, but this whole post is a bunch of venting bullshit. At least mark it as venting and not as a red pill theory because there is no theory here at all. The OP is under the false impression that he needs to enjoy his job, which is horseshit. The whole reason that someone pays you to do something is because it is unpleasant. If it was pleasant there would be people doing it for free, or even pay to do it. The error of your thinking is even more apparent when you say that you started hating your passions once you tried to make money from them, which is really natural, because if you love drawing as a hobby for example and you try to make a living out of it, now you have to do a lot of other unpleasant things, like meeting deadlines in time, talking with clients, marketing your work, dealing with customers, drawing things you don't like, drawing when you don't feel like it etc. This is called working, it is inherently an unpleasant state. Instead of trying to find a job you love, you should try to embrace and love the suck. Everything that brings long term benefits in your life is unpleasant in the short term.
MickMensa 6y ago
It sounds like you need to stick with something rather than changing approaches when you feel 'unfulfilled'.
9-5 is not a soul killer. Being trapped in a dead-end job with low pay and coworkers that do not respect you just to keep the lights on and feed your family is a soul killer.
Why did you come back from Thailand after only a week? Fulfilment is not as simple as buying a plane ticket to your dream location. All things are underpinned by discipline and hard work.
entertheredpillvoid 6y ago
I do stick to things all the time, I was sticking to this previous thing for a year, I stoped enjoying it once I started to make money off it.
As I said 9-5 for some people may not be soul killing but it is for me.
I didn’t go there because it was my dream location, I went there to work on the things I have been working on for the last 6 months but yet again as I said, as soon as I started to try and make money off it, I hated it. I am very self aware, I know when to quit and when to stay out through adversity
phouka_fey 6y ago
Is it possible your relationship to money needs work? Like you said, once you switch to money making mode, you self destruct. What are your beliefs about money? I have a good friend who recently helped me come to the same conclusion about my own beliefs. In my belief system I equated having money as "More money equals more problems" and "money is the root of all evil". Neither of these statements are true, but they are pounded into us by social programming. Our stupid society wants us to believe that accumulation of wealth by providing massive value to society is somehow evil.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Worked in a family business most of my life.
Now my 9-5 is true freedom. I can live like a normal person.
aeskiel 6y ago
Same here man. Felt more alive when I left our family business and now i'm still in the 9-5, doing what I damn want. Before I left the fam business, it felt like I was just in a very luxurious prison cell.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
The difference in opinion between us and people who share OPs view shows you how strong perception is regarding our happiness. And that goes double for women.
entertheredpillvoid 6y ago
And hats off to you if that’s what you want. That’s not my jam
TheseNthose 6y ago
i think you've seen too many of those Tai Lopez videos.
What was your "passion" that you felt you had to go to Thailand?
entertheredpillvoid 6y ago
Lol no.... I’m not some dumbasss and who gets sucked in because he has a lambo in the background....
I didn’t feel like I had to go anywhere, I was doing film making, photography and travel vlogging, I wanted to go to south east Asia to work more on it, but yet again as I said I started to hate it once I was trying to make money off it, felt like another bullshit job
TheseNthose 6y ago
yeah. definitely understand that. When a creative job, creativity ironically takes a backseat because it can be risky and might not generate any income. Either got to shave a shit ton of dough so you can do what you want and keep failing or have something on the side until you gain some momentum. Most stand ups work/worked day jobs until i made a barely livable wage from stand up.
Case in point why hollywood is making remake after remake.
https://youtu.be/YcS7ZIS_sG0
https://www.amazon.com/Writing-Movies-Fun-Profit-Billion/dp/1439186766/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1515538632&sr=8-1&keywords=tom+lennon
RatioRegnum 6y ago
The last conventional 9-5 job I had was in the 90s. And indeed, it made me want to shoot myself every day.
Walked away from that, and a lot more. It was a much harder road I chose, involved a lot of trade-offs, and not every experience has been wonderful. However in the long run, it's my road, and I've worked on my goals, not someone else's.
PrincePound 6y ago
So what exactly did you do?
RatioRegnum 6y ago
I can't go into detail without giving away too much information. Suffice to say I found a role with an organization that was stable, flexible, and gave me considerable autonomy. It is not (usually) a full time thing, so with the extra time I have done a bunch of other things with much higher risk-reward ratios. Some of these succeeded, some did not. I'm doing quite well today, but in the beginning I had some very lean times. The first time I had no money, no food, no place to stay, it was very scary. The seventh time, not so much.
The bottom line is - if you want to be your own man, you have to make your own path. If you let someone else be your only source of income, they own you.
ChadThundercockII 6y ago
what did you do when you didn't have a place to stay in?
RatioRegnum 6y ago
Different things at different times. Once slept (or tried to) in the toilet stall in a swanky hotel. Sometimes on a couch at the university student lounge (the buildings are open 24-7 - you just have to set the couch up so you can't be seen by the security as they go by). Slept in my car when I had one. Got myself locked in at the public library, then slept on the couch there. Stayed up all night in another swanky hotel lobby - if I'd tried to sleep they would have thrown me out, but at least I was out of the weather. Crashed with friends. Made friends and then crashed with them.
Good times!
ChadThundercockII 6y ago
thats pretty cool. It is amazing how we people can adapt to anything if we are thrown into it.
PrincePound 6y ago
It piqued my interest. I wish you well.
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thefisherman1961 6y ago
Paragraphs. I quit reading your brick wall of text after the first few sentences because it gave me a headache
entertheredpillvoid 6y ago
Are you sure it was from reading this? Or is it just another headache from your mundane 9-5 exsistence
thefisherman1961 6y ago
9-5 means no overtime. it pays me well enough lots of free time to spend improving my SMV and pursuing my hobbies. it also means i know exactly what my work schedule is always going to be so i can plan around it. it also gives me a steady paycheck so i don’t have to stress out about money. i also like my job.
i bet my life is less mundane than yours
[deleted] 6y ago
Working at Taco Bell for $8.25 per hour blows pretty hard. I had to stand there my first day and listen to the asshole GM bitch at me for 30 minutes about how I incorrectly rolled a taco. Then I graduated college and quit that shit. My last day the manager yelled at me "If I see you pick up the 3 cheese blend without using the scoop one more time then I'm going to write you up." I looked him right in the eyes and grabbed the biggest handful of cheese I could with my hand and dropped it on the crunch wrap. Walked out and called him a douche when I left. A regular 9-5 is fine if it pays good but the jobs that pay shit are very depressing. Personally though, I've enjoyed working from home and having a flexible schedule. No asshole boss constantly hounding over me.
Undying_Enthusiasm 6y ago
Why is working a 9-5 a soul killer for you? Is that you have to listen to some asshole? That you feel redundant? What you are trained in isn't what you want to do?
RobertTene 6y ago
What's a digital nomad lol
TheseNthose 6y ago
i would think it's a freelance software engineer, internet blogger...etc that can work remotely. Some of these people since they can work remotely travel and work.
Nocryingok 6y ago
I've tried being my own boss and having crazy jobs. Pro poker player for 3 years was one of them. Had sucess for that period, but it became hell after a while. I think that the idea of "passion 4ever" is a lie. Every job has a downside, and it takes some time for you to realize what is it. With online jobs, for me, it's the unhealthy lifestyle. Not only you spend many hours sitting, but it messes with your mind (what makes you good at taking quick decisions on the table also makes you very anxious)
Also, don't forget that the modern world is different from 20 years ago. We have so many options and distractions that it's harder and harder to do the old "build a business and be patient/resilient" thing. ATM I'm focusing on the things I can be sure are good for me: hobbies, friends, healthy habits. But only bc I'm lucky to have a financially stable family
entertheredpillvoid 6y ago
I disagree with the first part. Being stuck under artificial light for 8 hours a day compared to sitting at a cafe under vitamin D there is no comparison when it comes to health benefits.
SocietalEngineering 6y ago
How much are you getting laid though? That's the real question.
entertheredpillvoid 6y ago
You sound like some wannabe rsd cuckhold who try’s to define a mans worth by how many females he fucks. For all you cucks who can’t get laid in this modern society. You don’t need some bullshit rsd video to get laid, it’s your inability to know what to say and inability to understand female behaviour. If you are really that interested in knowing how often I get laid...?? I do quite fine in that department and literally have no complaints in my sex life at all
ChadThundercockII 6y ago
dude fuck your arrogant attitude. The guy asked a simple question and you went on a tangent about who you suppose he is and what he does before answering a simple question.
Guys like you on this sub is why TRPS closed down posting.
losectrl 6y ago
Agreed, so much butt hurt attitude recently.
OC had a pretty fair question considering OP went to Thailand to film his rad experience. He likely sleighed the pussy just by waving around his GoPro selfie stick and telling girls that it will be on YouTube.