So far a search has come up with this.
“To navigate the social environment and be better with people, we should understand what those components of human nature are."
According to Greene, the Seven Deadly Realities of Human Nature are:
1) Envy. We have natural tendencies to compare ourselves to others, whether it’s with regards to how much money we make, how popular we are, how smart we are, and a number of other things that I’m sure you might be able to come up.
2) Conformism. Organized groups of any kind generally develop a certain dominant cultural mindset, complete with unwritten standards of correctness, that, of course, may shift with the times. Often times members will, perhaps subconsciously, adopt the views and ideals of the person heading the organization.
3) Rigidity. Humans are generally creatures of habit and routine, which is what we look for in order to maintain some semblance, however artificial, of control. People hold on to these norms, simply because they’ve become accustomed to them, even if a new way, a better way, has been proven. It’s human nature, especially as we age, to want to adhere to these customs and resist new ways of thinking or doing things.
4) Self-obsessiveness. It is human nature, especially in today’s work environments to think first and foremost of ourselves and our own self-interests. Since it isn’t a very noble trait to display, most folks, especially the most self-absorbed will surround their actions with a veil of moral or saintly righteousness.
5) Laziness. Most people want to take the quickest, easiest path of least resistance in order to reach our goals. This is truer than ever, especially in today’s day and age of instant gratification, and instant feedback. Most lazy folks are always looking for shortcuts, and the most insidious will try to attain those shortcuts by any means possible, even if it means by theft, dishonesty or another form of cheating.
6) Flightiness. Most people’s decisions are largely governed by our emotions, even though most would not like to admit it. Since this is the case most decisions can change by the day, hour or minute depending on the mood we’re in.
7) Passive Aggression. Most passive aggression stems from the fear or unpleasantry associated with direct confrontation, which generally implies the possible loss of control. Passive aggressive tactics involve indirect means for people to get their way, which is usually subtle,hard to detect, and a subversive way to control the dynamic.
I have no doubt that the book will be popular within the Red Pill Community.
Cheers
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kryptofinger 5y ago
Law number 8....Peace is a lie
MrMelbourne 5y ago
A woman will invent an entirely different person from the one who truly exists if she thinks you will push a financial broom over her filthy financial fuck-ups. Money just puts women in good behaviour mode (temporarily); it doesn't make them good.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
One other book that is worth a look is: The Politics of Life: 25 Rules for Survival in a Brutal and Manipulative World by Craig Crawford. Published 2011 (I have no affiliation with the author and nothing to gain financially).
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TheLanternFlame 5y ago
6 really resonates with me. I've watch a video by Dan Lok and what he said was true, "We all buy, not because we need it, but because of our feeling for it. Thus we buy with our feelings and not with our needs."
This sub has helped me buy the things I NEED, though expensive, with the mindset of the long run, not wasting because I just feel to buy it.
Brooklyn-Boy 5y ago
What kind of things have you found that you've needed after going through the sub? What have you cut out?
TheLanternFlame 5y ago
I cut out all of my money for games, and focus on what's important. If it was me a few years ago, steam sales make my wallet cry, and I even just let those sit on my account. Now, I have more savings than just buying compulsively just because they're on sale, I now check if it even worth buying them.
TangoZulu 5y ago
This is why women account for upwards of 60-80% of all purchase decisions. They are more governed by their emotions. And why men need to “market themselves” in dating. A woman’s decision to have sex with you is simply a purchase decision her part. Appeal to her positive emotions, and you’re that much closer to closing the deal.
TheLanternFlame 5y ago
Also the main reason why cosmetic is a billion dollar product. "Why am I not pretty enough?" "Am I ugly?" "I do need this to be gorgeous." It has already pave the way to market by itself (cosmetics), to the point that they have excess supply of make ups and what not. As long as they 'feel' good about it, they will buy it no matter if they need it and if the price is sky high.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
Within the context of getting dressed up and going out to bars/clubs etc., a female friend of mine once said to me.
"The boobs (cleavage) are for the men, the shoes are for the women".
In other words, the cleavage was there to gain attention from men and compete with other women on gaining the attention of men. The shoes were a way of competing with and gaining status within the ranks of women. The nicer/better/more expensive the shoes (and outfit), the greater status she was able to project among her own ranks.
TheLanternFlame 5y ago
Correct me on this if I'm wrong:
Having boobs nowadays are to attract men, whereas in the olden times it was the thigh/ass. Boobs became mainstream due to the fact it is more revealing to us men as women start putting up dress, which by design, reveals only the upper part more than the bottom part of the body.
Men on the other hand has the same design once suit was invented by a british advisor (it was just in youtube, I'll edit this later if I found the name), when he decided to make himself more agile while being suave at the same time. Thus the focus is on the shoes as it is more pronounce in the world where suits are the same.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
If she has big/nice boobs, she will use them to gain attention (unless she is self-conscious or has a complex about them), if she has a nice ass, she will show that off. If both are nice, well then she will show both off.
Evilence 5y ago
That huge font adds a lot of value to your comment, good job.
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It is something that happens when you use the hashtag/pound key on reddit. He was meaning to say ‘number 6’
see?
TheLanternFlame 5y ago
Apparently yes it was number 6, didn't knew that feature lmfao
CommanderBlurf 5y ago
Markdown headings begin with a #.
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To avoid that, escape it by adding a leading backslash:
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TheLanternFlame 5y ago
Thanks will keep that in mind!
htbf 5y ago
Just edit your comment you lazy motherfucker :D
WorkThrowAway125 5y ago
but then all the sub comments wont make any sense!
TheLanternFlame 5y ago
This. There's no fun if we fix a little mistake.
GladiatorBuddha 5y ago
I don't see the problem with "laziness". Taking the path of least resistance and finding shortcuts it's the way to go if you wanna accelerate progress. Approaching things from the "lazy" mindset will ensure minimizing time invested for the achievement of goals.
gbdoragnic 5y ago
I agree with you, this is why we have cars instead of horses, At first I thought this was more of a deadly sins book, but it's framed as deadly realities, in other words watch out for people cheating you as a way to succeed , if presented a opportunity for exploitation just assume people won't be moral.
But as I said lazy mindset can be utilize to create unnecessary wasteful use of energy
Ole_infidel 5y ago
the challenge/perception [and reality for most] in laziness is that most will not ensure that any time is invested and thus the goals will not be achieved; and if they 'are', the results will be poor to mediocre at best.
red_matrix 5y ago
I think you're confusing laziness with efficiency, it I get what you're saying. Work smart, not hard.
AnonymousUser1000 5y ago
Don't confuse efficiency with laziness. Laziness causes inaction.
ya_stepdaddy 5y ago
Nothing wrong with that at all as long as there is execution.
francisco_DANKonia 5y ago
Exactly. My motto is always be doing - even if you have to do only really simple tasks
monsieurhire2 5y ago
For some reason, Rule 1 doesn't seem to apply that much to me, not that it never does. With regard to Rule 2, I reluctantly conform when it is expedient to, but not much in thought. Rule 3, I WISH applied more to me. Rule 4-7 I generally agree with, though laziness is a bit harsh, since modern society constantly demands we do all kinds of labor just to exist, I'm suspicious of accusations in that vein. It's more like, there's this sense that we could be hyperproductive and hyperreacreative all the time if we could just align ourselves a certain way.
Stabiel 5y ago
Instant buy, 48 laws opened my mind to the matrix of the world.
AgregiouslyTall 5y ago
The most amazing thing about 48 laws is when you start putting them into action without even realizing.
The second time I read it, which was probably ~2 years after the first time, I was like 'Holy shit, I didn't even realize I've been practicing most of these laws since I read the book the first time!' The same goes for Seduction. It's amazing how well the stories and theories behind them resonate to the point that I'm essentially practicing them without even realizing it.
Now I reference the 48 laws and seduction on a weekly basis, I read at least one chapter out of each them, even better when I can reference a chapter that inherently applies to whatever situation I'm in at that moment.
killabeesindafront 5y ago
Very much a fan of this articke titled 5 laws of human nature
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18301-five-laws-of-human-nature/
red_matrix 5y ago
If you want to learn how to detect passive aggression work in an office for a few years. Women are almost designed to be passive aggressive. When men do it it's repulsive. Once you can pick up on this you'll see it everywhere. People probably do this subconsciously after a while, it's probably why corporate jobs are so toxic and unbearable.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
When women's passive-aggressive behaviour is not paying off, they will typically shift into victim mode.
killabeesindafront 5y ago
How are ways to counter passive-aggressiveness and how do you avoid being put into those situations?
red_matrix 5y ago
They are subtle insults. All you can do is stand up to these people, say No, but keep calm and don't lose your cool. At work you have to play by the rules, but don't be a door mat.
blister333 5y ago
I’m 2 months into a corporate internship that’s made up mostly of women. The amount of passive aggressiveness is off the charts. I can’t stand being around them all day. Luckily I’m going into a male dominated field so it should improve
red_matrix 5y ago
Good luck and keep your head down.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
As a heterosexual male working in a female dominated workplace (much to my regret), I can assure you that for a man, such environments can be hell on earth, if you let them "get" to you. I could just about write a book on the assorted fuckery and behaviour that I have observed.
blister333 5y ago
Yea this is my experience so far too. You have to be on point, especially when out numbered.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
One of the "tricks" that I have learnt, is to also (strategically) play the victim as well. Another "trick" is the strategic use of; "I don't know" or "I'm not sure" when women in the workplace start fishing around for information, help, assistance instead of taking responsibility and getting the work done themselves.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
Come to think of it. One of the absolute fundamentals of passive-aggressive behaviour and manipulation in the workplace (and elsewhere) is PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.
blister333 5y ago
Oh I’m well aware of when they’re trying to get me to do work or help them with shit they don’t wanna do.
RealisticKiwi 5y ago
I can't wait, I have read all of his books. I have just checked a couple of weeks ago if there is any new book, but there was no information. His last book was released at 2012.
therymancruise 5y ago
Can't wait to read it; sounds like the book 48 Laws was hinting at being all along.
willowhawk 5y ago
Don't forget the authors background is in classical literature and not psychology.
One of the reasons a lot of people come away from the books feeling as tho it hasn't quite delivered on instructing a person on what to do is because the Author is a good qualitative storyteller rather than a quantative based manual writer.
The books are still a fantastic read and have lots of insights which you can think about.
AiWillChange 5y ago
Can't say I get how people lap up books that seem to extrapolate anecdotal story into gospel truth as if it's science. Some are definitely good to spark thinking though
AManIsBusy 5y ago
Probably because they themselves reason by anecdote. I take these books exactly as you do; occasionally, you come across something that sparks an idea of your own.
That being said, this is a pretty famous author in a space that doesn't have a lot of work, so I'm definitely intrigued by this.
willowhawk 5y ago
It's true.
If people don't know anything about the subject the stories are on, any information gleamed is considered new and important.
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Cesare_MA 5y ago
I like 48 Laws the way it is. Giving stories instead of simple instructions forces you to reflect to extract the information. Also, in those stories there are many smaller lessons and quirks about humans in general and from those time periods that can be fascinating. All of this gives the book immense re-read value, since it is very difficult to pick up on all of this in a single read. Also I’m a pretty big history guy in general, so learning more about history in that context instead of perusing through a mountain of books (like Greene did) is awesome.
I used to tell some of the stories from 48 Laws to my sister before bed when we were bored. The stories kept her interested, taught her to be more assertive/manipulative (something she struggles with), made me a better story teller, and further solidified the stories/concepts in my own mind.
PipingHotSoup 5y ago
Agreed. Greene had a really great Joe Rogan interview and I believe a James Altucher Show interview as well that are worth a listen on a commute.
Greene does a ridiculous amount of research before he writes a book.
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vampfries 5y ago
Is this some of the contents of the book?
humblecognac 5y ago
After reading a substantial number of books, I feel like all the "self-help" stuff is just re-hashing the same singular truth. As long as you move towards your goal with discipline, that truth becomes self-evident.
Am I wrong here guys? What am I missing?
red_matrix 5y ago
I wouldn't call Greene's books self help. They're more about the nuances of human behavior.
humblecognac 5y ago
You may have a point but c'mon, even you'd agree that it is quite "self-help-ish".
AgregiouslyTall 5y ago
To say Greene's books fall into the general "self-help" category is a bit disingenuous. He isn't trying to teach people how to be rich or how to achieve the upmost power possible, although you can use his teachings to achieve those things. This isn't 'How to win friends and influence people' or 'Think and grow rich', arguably the books that led the way in creating the self-help category. He's teaching people the nuances of the human experience and how to take advantage of those as you see fit. I would say Greene's books lead more to an understanding of social/human interaction and how to take advantage of that understanding. The goal of the 48 Laws of Power isn't to teach someone to be the most powerful, it's to teach someone how to leverage the power that all human's innately have in some capacity.
Essentially, I have yet to find a book, let alone 'self-help' book, that has touched on or even rehashed what Greene's books have.
I that all make's sense to you.
humblecognac 5y ago
I've read '48 laws' twice. I only remember the first rule. I don't know how and when to use any of the laws. It's an interesting read but ultimately useless for me. For e.g. I don't have a master that I might outshine.
Historical examples are great and all but without current day examples, the laws don't stick. "How to win friends" is older but still contains better and more relevant examples.
I know everybody here loves it, I personally don't know how to put it to use. Without which it is useless to me.
expansion101 5y ago
Something I remember from reading 'How to Win Friends and Influence People', is part of the learning of it is to come up with those present-day examples, or experiences you have had where the concept came up in the interaction.
You may not have a master to outshine you say... but what about your manager? The captain on your sports team? Though their influence over you is not as overt as King Louis XIV had over Fouquet, they still hold some sway over you.
rollston1000 5y ago
Humans are just like chimpanzees that invented speech as a non-violent way of solving conflicts, and chimpanzees… take care about social status in the first place.
A Male has to fight. He has to challenge his fellows that are of higher status, because only in this way he may finally get access to females and spread his genes. The Male has to risk his life in fight for that domination, and even a short period of being on the top is considered to be a success (offspring).
For a female, status is less relevant, she will not fight for it because of the risk of getting killed or injured, which jeopardises her way of producing offspring. Advantages from high status (more/better food for children) do not offset the risk of not having baby chimps in the first place. Of course, status of the mating male is important - as offsprings inherits the potential of parents.
Note that social status requires a tribe, it is always a matter of who is considered to be a leader by a majority of a group (social proof).
That removes 1,2,4 and 7 out of further consideration.
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rollston1000 5y ago
Thinking about all those high-level aspects is pretty much pointless if you know what is the game about (status) and you assume people will do everything they can (according to their perception) increase their perceived social rank in a given moment. With that knowledge, you have to assume people are moral only when they benefit from it.
I see no point in analysing a particular set of ‘realities’ of human nature, as those are a function of the environment conditions. Actually, such analysis blurs the understanding, as it shifts focus from the cause (desire for status) to effect (particular behaviours). But, of course, such a narrative is very difficult to accept, as stating publicly that there is a (somewhat fluid) pecking order is a social suicide.
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rollston1000 5y ago
Sidebar :D.
RedPill is actually pretty accurate about building high status like on a very primitive level (be attractive, do not be unattractive). But frame, game and lifting can get you only as far as an individual can get without power, and then you need to build power - I’d say Power by Jeffrey Pfeffer is a good starter.
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rollston1000 5y ago
I do not have much more about that. While I am very interested in how apes establish their status, for them it is all about gender dynamics.
Humans are a bit different, because for us, the concept of status includes also factors such as reputation, projection of power, power and resources. TRP focuses on gender dynamics, reputation and projection of power (social proof, preselection, AMOG).
What is, however, slightly blurred, is the fact that hypergamy (looking up) does not mean just looking at someone more attractive physically. It means looking at someone more attractive socially, and physical look contributes to that significantly.
In sociology there is a word called “mésalliance” which describes a situation reverse to the hypergamy - where a woman marries a man of lower social status (which happens very rarely, usually when is extremely attractive - case of Alladin & Jasmine). The point is - a female layer will date (and maybe marry) a male lawyer, but not a male receptionists (although ONS is not excluded if he is very attractive). Her high social status makes the receptionist her PLATE (closer to a gigolo, not an alpha).
Status is sometimes expressed by manners (Manners maketh man), identified by gender, sometimes race (sorry), nationality. Some of those are unconscious, some are conscious - it does not really matter, what matters is that if you are poorly born non-British person, you will have a very hard time finding your way to a bank board. But being exactly the same person, you may find it quite easy to find your way to the board of the tech company or become a rock or movie star.
redpillcad 5y ago
I'd call in sick and read it now if I had the opportunity
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PerplexingPegasus_ 5y ago
I can’t wait to relate law #7 to female dynamics in relationships with the help of the TRP. Definitely purchasing the book on release.
jonpe87 5y ago
Can't wait, 48 Laws is my Bible.
SirByron 5y ago
The 48 Laws of Power should have been called the 48 Laws of Political Power.
Greene ignored Soft Power, which is today more important that "political" power.
MrMelbourne 5y ago
Now that is a VERY good point. When reading the book, you can tell by the examples that he gives which typically relate to people already in power and not so relevant to everyday interactions between people where subtle manipulation, status and power games are played out. I expect that the new book will be more relevant to everyday interaction.
expansion101 5y ago
How would one go about learning more about Soft Power? Is it simply learning how advertising, graphic design, etc. could be used to an advantage? Or are there books similar to the 48 Laws of Power but concerning Soft Power?
MrMelbourne 5y ago
Replace Soft Power with Soft Manipulation and you are on the right track.
ddiogenesofsinope 5y ago
I hope its as good as his others. He is an awesome author
Demiurge_Decline 5y ago
I have 48 laws, master, art of seduction, art of war and I will have this one by Greene. Favorite author!
push_pass 5y ago
bro you're missing the 50th law
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Demiurge_Decline 5y ago
It was weaker compared to 48 laws - I am a point in studies that if the info is not hard core, I pass. its more of a collectors item now..
AgregiouslyTall 5y ago
Ehh the 50th law was more of a gimmick book. The 50th law definitely is not in the same category as 48 Laws, Mastery, Seduction, or War.
GLADmyNAMEaintDICK 5y ago
Is it really necessary? I saw 50 cent and couldn't help but roll my eyes, seemed like a cash grab.
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THEPERFECTSPECIMEN 5y ago
It's a pretty good book. Most of the writing is by Greene himself.
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push_pass 5y ago
2 major points from the book: Socrates- considered the wisest man in all of Greece, wiser than just about everyone else who would have their puffed-up conceit and believe they knew subjects they actually had limited knowledge/experience in, or that their knowledge was final. (Why the hell do blue pillers feel they can advise others in the art of love? or why do they denigrate you when you drop truth on them?) Socrates was wisest because he knew he knew nothing, and by realizing that, he opened himself up to learn everything.
50 Cent, having been shot many times and having bullets still in him, learned to live his life as if he will die at any moment. That there is a bullet out there with his name on it. And by living so close to death, every moment is valuable to him and he wastes no time or energy on things that don't matter; he embraces life.
circlingldn 5y ago
Did socrates even exist or was he a figment of platos imagination
MrMelbourne 5y ago
Socrates stood firmly by his principles and paid the ultimate price (his life) for them. Though, history does remember and revere him for it.
frooschnate 5y ago
How does Socrates’ mindset work. If you know you know nothing how can you really know anything.
How do we not question all the information available to us, or set our sights to sources we deem valuable.
How do I know the things we discuss here are certain
Think the only real answer is try it yourself
ramaga 5y ago
It's definitely a cash grab. It's not a bad book though, but if you've read Greene's other books, you can easily skip the 50 Cent one.
Demiurge_Decline 5y ago
bingo. its bland coffee although you cant really get much more red pill than 50 cent which is the donald trump of hip hop.
super_gonorrhea 5y ago
Oh jesus christ, he SUCKS. He has his interns slap these shitty books together in a week. They're the worst, lowest-effort crap an author could produce.