Most guys fall for a complete black and white thinking — either looks don‘t matter or they‘re everything — usually depending on if they consider themselves good looking or not.

But: If you tell a woman to imagine a high status, successful guy, I guarantee you it will be a tall, handsome and fit guy, probably in a suit. If you are good looking people, especially women, will talk about you. If you are the guy all her girlfriends talk about you are — guess what — high status to her.

Good looking people also earn more money, get easier in clubs etc.

Beeing good looking will make her more receptive and submissive from the start, making it far easier to pull off you game.

People often say something like „looks open the door, but game lets you go through“. Yeah, but going through an open door really isn‘t that hard.

Looks are extremely important. How do I know? I lost mine (balding). I was able to pick up girls fairly easy and thought my game was good. Game is largely BS (outside of basic social skills). Once my hairline started going back, women changed how they responded to me, been called ugly many times now. Forget about getting women if you are too ugly.

I dont know.

I've pulled pretty chicks being way fatter than I'm now.

Just saying

Lets be brutally honest, if you noticeably short (say 5'1 > 5'7), small skeletal frame and an ugly generic face like Rick Moranis or Steven Anthony Lawrence, then there is no hope for you other than escorts or scouring 3rd world countries for poor females of passable body weight. Your not gonna get an ugly faced short girl that weighs 125lbs in the Anglosphere. Not even 160lbs. Doesn't matter if you bodybuild or wear nice clothes with the above physical characteristics, your only gonna get pig-ugly landwhales that weigh 200, 250, 300+ pounds. I know of such guys and they hold down jobs (one is low status, the other is intermediate and works in a Toyota dealership). I never see these stories of 'Danny de Vito's with hot Danish models' in real life couples. They are a fiction of the media. Tall/Large ugly men can play 'brute game' (rugby physique, shaven head if balding) and they'll be a 5/10 female that weighs 130lbs that fancies you. Still a numbers game though. Slim/skinny/healthy-bodied ugly women have more options than you think and they'll shit on most guys that are ugly and small, no matter if they are effectively in the same league in terms of face & height / structure / fitness.

Hey, I wouldn’t ask a real life person this because that would be beta asf, but I’m 18, I’m a good looking guy, I get positive attention from girls nearly everyday, but one thing is that my teeth are all around pretty much fine, even though I’ve never wore bracelets, but the only thing is I have a gap in between my two front teeth. I’m an introvert (INTP) so I rarely smile with my teeth, and in high school I avoided social interactions, so I don’t have a good data set of reactions to come to a conclusion. All I have is I’ve made a couple of outstanding and passionate presentations in classes in senior year in which my teeth were on full display and this only bolstered girl’s attention (temporarily as I was still a hard introvert), so it would seem that my game (confidence) overshadowed my front teeth gap.

My questions is: Assuming everything else is good, would a gap in the front teeth ruin it?

I’ll get braces eventually when I can afford it, but I’d like to hear someone’s opinion on this, through the anonymousy of reddit of course, it would be beta of me to ask anyone in real life about this. It’s kind of beta asking you, but I don’t really consider it beta because it’ll have no negative affect in my real life reputation.

Dating is a numbers game. An average guy in a big city will get laid more than a man with model looks who lives in Alaska.

A male model will however have it really easy in a big city. I know a guy who is a former model. He gets more ass than a toilet seat, but even he will not get laid if he’s too drunk to put together coherent sentences. I contrast that with an aging rockstar I once saw in a bar. He was so drunk/high he couldn’t stand up. At the end of the night I saw two hot blondes carry him home. As far as looks go this rockstar probably ranks a bit above average, but nowhere near my friend the male model.

TLDR; Status trumps everything but this doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work on your looks.

Hi I think looks and game are equally important

I’m def not gona approach a women with a baggy beer t shirt

Im def not gona approach a women when I have zero game and stand there and studder and twitch

So yea looks and game are equally important

Looks Don't matter. Looks Don't matter. Looks Don't matter. Looks Don't matter. Looks Don't matter.

the entire game concept is bullshit. I'm studyng seduction since 2009 and guess what? I'm virgin at 29 because I'm short and bald. I've posted a pic of me here and people post it on lookism and incels websites. Teenagers on incels forums laught at my pics, even if I lift, eat right and being social everyday. Looks are everything, game is bullshit.

A man once said why would i lift when it's all about the face

The better you look, the less Game or Status or Money or anything like this matters.

The sky is blue. People need water and air to survive. Everyone dies.

They're simply better looking than I am.

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No. Horseshit. For good looking guys it's just significantly harder to fuck things up. You don't even need self-confidence.

I'm pretty good looking, maybe not that goodlooking that even self-confidence doesn't matter but I can tell you for a fact that anyone attractive man can fuck things up easily. If anyone would like to back me up here, feel free

It just works for anyone that is good looking, not only for the absolute top tier guys.

You wreak of insecurity, even while I'm looking at my computer screen

If you're balding, consider a hair transplant or anything that saves your hair. Nearly everyone loses a few points by losing hair. "B-but, look at Jason Statham! He's so masucline, right?"

If you have a weak chin or lower third in general, consider surgery.

Spending money to go tryhard so you can have more sex. Has this sub taught you nothing?

Get this incel self-defeatist shit out of here

Looks and game both matter

What's the point of this essay?

Having significant Game along with one of the values (Looks or Status) are not mutually exclusive.

There's no reason to think of them as competing for your resources.

Everybody has to have game. It's not optional. It's not 'better' or 'worse' than one of the values, it's simply a complimentary skill.

Then, you are supposed to max whatever your highest value is (either Looks or Status).

Yup.

The 80/20 rule, as highlighted in a recent post, is very applicable here. Will improving your looks improve your hustle? Undoubtedly. But spending that time elsewhere would likely return much better value.

if you focus entirely on your looks and have zero game it status, you will be able to easily fuck a lot of fugly landwhales, but hotties will brutally reject you.

The game community massively undervalues looks.

A guy who's a 10 can get laid without approaching. Just post up at the bar and wait for the girls to approach him. He won't maximize his results like this, especially in terms of hotness of girl, but he'll still get laid loads.

I will agree with most of what you said here, though it really does sound like you were a subscriber of Incels at one point (or still are).

My view has always been that Looks, Game, Money, and Status are like skills in a video game. You can spend points (time & effort) increasing one a lot, or many a little. And every woman has a skillcheck you need to pass with a certain amount of each skill to get her in bed. So you can increase one of these skills to the top percentile of people and get laid just based on that, or you can increase several to above average levels and get laid with that. And having one of looks, game, money, or status being below average will hurt you.

So yes, you can look like a Greek God and be a broke loser and still get pussy, or you can be a well off, above average guy and get pussy. There is no wrong way, so long as you're working on your skills. And this subreddit advocates increasing them all equally, so that you naturally have one that's very good, and the rest are above average. But it's all up to you.

Post reads like a rushed regurgitation of the classic TRP posts. That being said, it isn't entirely innacurate. Model good looks are the quickest way to easy, effortless sexual experiences with women.

Unfortunately, until genetic editing is possible, model good looks are unreachable for most of the population, even with the right haircut, straight teeth, a low body fat %, and nice clothing.

Instead, most men can really only strive to reach 'not sloppy looking' or 'pretty good looking'.

Being at least 'not sloppy looking' is absolutely required for just about any level of game or status to matter. This is what will prevent you from being laughed off the field.

Anyways, back to the fallacy with this post. Yes, if you could choose to have perfect status, perfect looks, or perfect game - looks would be the go to for maximum partner count - but since it's not genetically possible, realistic advice is to max looks and pick up the slack in game and status.

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Great post.

I agree with you 100%.

"Just learn game bruh and be confident". I've seen guys with strong "game" and a lot of confidence get trumped by a good looking guy who literally just had to be there.

Looksmaxing goes hand in hand with personality and confidence.

As someone born with a really goodlooking face from suuuuuch a young age. I cant agree with everything he says but it has been a ridiculous blessing that cannot be underappreciated in my life

At the end of the day, you really don't need game. You just need a suave look, and grade A logistics and you'll get laid. If a bitch is horny, and you're the last man standing, it's hard to fuck up.

Getting a good look makes the rest come easier. Whenever I go out with fresh haircut and new,good looking clothes I automatically get the right mindset and everything goes smooth. Women notice when you got fresh,clean shoes and a bright smile too.

My flatmate is shy and good looking. I once introduced him to a girl because he was to scared to do it on his own, and the whole time he just stood there without being able to say a thing. He nearly pooped his pants. From a perspective of Game, the panties of the girl must have dried instantly, right? No, she thought that he was cute. I think I have never been more confused in my life, but it makes sense now of course.

Hahaha, I've had this exact experience multiple times.

You won't get any access to women without being attractive enough for her to want to fuck you. This is a green light toward sex and dating the same way a college diploma gets your job resume past the first cut.

Game is putting your skills to the test. Sometimes if the girl's really attracted to you, it makes it easier to run game. Running game isn't going to do shit for you if you dress like a dumbass, are scrawny or super fat, ugly etc.. It's just going to annoy the chick.

Have you ever had a gross girl run game on you at a party or something? Or just a girl who turns you off in one way or another and in your head you're thinking "Is she really this fucking retarded? don't talk to me". It's really the same shit for women getting gamed by low quality men.

That's not to say you should still put in effort and lose 100 times over, but I personally think looks and actually doing something with your life is more important than running game. That being said, they're both important just looks has more weight in the grand scheme of things.

OP, I think you are being drawn back into social conditioning instead of Game/pickup conditioning. You also suffer from Menvy (Male on male envy), which is one of the lowest places you can be coming from as a man.

Social conditioning, to this extent, is the belief that to act entitled and confident around women, you have to be extremely handsome.

WINS(credit to RSD-Tyler):

• Work out (get lean & muscular, lift weights)
• Image (maximize your image, wear chlotes that fit you & make you look your best, get your grooming & hairstyle down)
• Nutrition
• Shut the fuck up and get on with it (Once you've done the 3 above, stop contemplating about how other guys have it better in terms of looks. It's not helping you in any way. And start thriving.

This reminds me of the times I was browsing on lookism and sluthate “if you have no maxilla and strong jaw your life is done” fuck that shit

A brief education.

You should work on everything. Status trumps all, but there is no reason to avoid work on any particular area.

Your looks, status, indicators of wealth and fashion sense provides your initial SMV that a woman will interpret. (Hence why when it is laughably low, she has no idea why you'd approach her.) Game allows you to alter her perception of your SMV relative to her own. You need to be above hers but not too far above or she will disqualify herself as a social precaution.

Maxing looks is good... but it is not superior to game. It appears you're citing someone who can play pretti-boi game. i.e. they are good looking enough that by being beta, they reduce their SMV enough for women to think they can get them. These little boys get to have sex on easy mode, but they tend to have dysfunctional and emotionally unrewarding relationships that break off after a few months. Do not envy these men. Good game is far more important than looks as it gives you far more tools in the box.

5/10 for this post. Must try harder.

I agree with op 100%. Looks gets you in. Game Is so overrated u have to be bad at it if you are a face guy.

Try to look got but always have a strong game. It's that simple. Why not try them both?

Working on your looks is much more important than working on your game

There's a diminishing return on looks. It tapers off around women who are considered 8s-9s-10s. That's b/c most of these women hang around hot guys. At that point looks mean nothing if you have no game.

IOW, "looks matter more" if you want to do low effort game on decent (but not top notch) girls that are below you on looks/SMV scale. If you want hotter girls, learn game.

My experiences are pretty much the total opposite of this. Looks without game got me nowhere.

You describe you’re mate who got called cute.

Did she fuck him?

I got called cute, good looking... you name it (the dreaded “sweet” a lot) but without any alpha confidence or idgaf they still don’t wanna fuck you.

They’d still rather fuck the ugly alpha over the good looking nice guy.

Looks is huge. And I wasn’t a muscled-bound 6”4 of muscle and jaw but a good looking nice guy will struggle to get anything he’s actually attracted to.

If someone doesn't believe in the power of looks, I would suggest to create a fake Tinder account and attract girls. You will be amazed how many hoes will give you numbers and snapchat profiles just to feel the power of the Chad.

Don't ever take anyone here claiming to be good looking seriously unless they provide proof. A lot of guys here are delusional to the point they claim they're 8/10 when they're bald and 5`5 with average facial structure. Yes that guy exists and posts on TRP occasionally.

No matter how long you let your beard grow, it isn't going to hide a recessed chin.

Spoken like a beardless man. A thick beard can hide it all.

A Google search of the term 'limiting factor' is very helpful

looks dont matter i know from first hand experience. status is the most important. yes, women will want to fuck the david beckham in the room way before the danny devito but most people aren't either of those extremes and will do OK based on looks. idk maybe you're just ugly af and you look bad by comparison but in that case build status and money. Also, if you must put yourself in competition with good looking men (fightng over bitches is beta) it is not hard to outclass. be interesting. sell a dream. girls want to fuck the most attractive man in the room but not in the way men want to fuck the most attractive woman in the room. There is a sort of hierarchy of needs with women and sex and for any woman who isnt an absolute slut, discretion is first. Next is hygeine and social skill.(college is a different story sex is like fast food there[explaining how your shy friend lucked up]) After that it's all butterflies and building attraction and comfort and with enough of those wherever the fuck you lead her she will go. Being David Beckham makes this easier to do, but it's not necessary. And a woman will choose an ugly musician over the most attractive male model any day. Men and women see 10s every day. Be something she will only encounter once in her life. or buy a hooker idgaf

I highly recommend investing in mastic gum. It’s like lifting weights for your jawline.

Women are vapid and shallow and not all in the same way. You either use that to your advantage or you don't.

Looks are an important part of SMV but still second to game. Fact is, there are going to be minimum requirements that are different levels for different girls. That's why its preached to raise all aspects of your SMV as best as you can. To cast the largest most effective net. There's too many factors relating to SMV and how women perceive it for this post to be accurate.