“Tinder and the Tyranny of Language” is about the online horror stories you’re familiar with, and it explains why Tinder works poorly for the vast majority of guys… but the author also sucks at Tinder:
Expect several days of intimate, evocative and tantalising back-and-forth, conversations running into the early hours of the morning, a reliable hit of dopamine at the peering at of one’s lock screen. You organise a face to face, a real live date—and the anxiety hits infinity, as this person who you have finally clicked with, will suddenly become real.
WTF? No. Why would this guy do that? Get a drink with whoever quickly. Usually after three to five messages. If she won’t show up in person it isn’t real. Guys who do less often do better than guys who do more. This guy becomes her dancing monkey and attention drip, like a bag of morphine straight into her arm.
Location is important. This guy’s Twitter bio says he’s in Melbourne, Australia. I don’t know shit about Melbourne but Roy Walker says it’s awful. Guys in bad cities with lots of men in them (Melbourne, San Francisco, Seattle) are going to have a bad time compared to guys in cities with lots of chicks (NYC, maybe Sydney? I don’t know Australia).
The author:
I’ve decided that Tinder worked a hell of a lot better as a hook-up app, than it does as serious dating one, and that these strange textual romances—sterile, devoid of physical communication or exchange—can only produce a skewed experience of person, that might, in theory, be rectifiable via some promptly organised outbreak of touch, sensual engagement and sexual exploration. But in practice, they only lead to an equally sterile series of dates. I don’t know this guy, but there are several possibilities: he’s ugly, he’s in the wrong place, he has no game, he doesn’t understand evolutionary biology, or like most guys he shouldn’t be using Tinder. He needs to learn daygame and get offline.
Guys who try Tinder today suffer, unless they’re extremely good looking. Tinder and all apps also now have systems that reward new users and punish existing ones. The only way they work is to boot it up, pay for one month, use it for two weeks or so, cancel the subscription, and then re-activate a month or two later to get fresh matches.
Mostly, though, guys are better off hitting the gym and learning daygame. That guy is like three-quarters right, but he’s missing some key elements he can learn through game.
Also posted on blog.
YellowSoldier54321 6y ago
You don't have to wait a month to refresh it , do you? I just delete my account entirely after my noob gains go to shit, then refresh.
Mind_ripper 6y ago
Asked a girl on tinder DTF?! She replied NO Asked her to tickle my balls?! She replied fuck off Asked her if i could take a shit on her chest. She Replied Im a weirdo. But at no time did she unmatch me or report me are girls literally that stupid?
[deleted] 6y ago
Am Aussie, can confirm Melbourne is shit. It's basically 60% San Fransisco.
halfback910 6y ago
Yeah, the virtual uselessness of tinder is pretty apparent to me.
I've often asked my straight friends who aren't having sex why they don't just get on tindr. Because dating apps had always managed to get me plenty of sex.
I never understood why they couldn't just get a fucking app, figure out mutual interest with someone, and have sex.
The answer I'm confronted with is that the sex app model works great for gay guys and... really nobody else. Because women are simply incompetent. Even if you take out all the red pill psychology of women playing with men and assume this woman wants to have sex, frequently trying to do that through an app is impossible because they simply have no control over their schedules or lives.
Women get their inbox flooded with messages to the point that literally not having the time to read them all is a realistic possibility. Women have zero fucking ability to communicate, manage a schedule, or plan to meet up around said schedule.
Two men can connect on an app, quickly establish sexual interest or lack thereof (there is zero taboo about showing your body, including genitalia, early in an interaction. It's just fact finding), then quickly establish gaps in their schedules, establish logistics, plan to meet, then execute.
With straight connections half of the equation is a bumbling, incompetent child who probably can't even manage her own schedule and predict where she will be in 8 hours. Add on top that that she wants to talk to you, you know, over the course of 19 days when she can be bothered to respond, and her ridiculous aversion to penises and i can see why it's a nightmare.
[deleted] 6y ago
They fucking do if they like you
spencerc25 6y ago
This is a little harsh but definitely the truth. One of the more aggravating aspects of the dating apps is when you do get a chick interested, you better make sure to strike while the iron is hot.
I'm sure there's some graph that displays how quickly her interest wanes if you don't land a date right away. Sadly, most chicks are really poor at scheduling so you can only do your best and hope they're still free when they say they are.
The flipside is obviously dating apps can get you commitment-less sex very quickly and very cheaply if you're solid on the date.
RedPilledGodEmperor 6y ago
This is very true. When tinder first started, you could be talking for a while to build some kind of "connection" and she would still be interested in meeting you.
Now, you have to really push for the meetup, or she will unmatch you. It's gotten ridiculous. Been off tinder for a while, but might get back on it, to pump and dump some woman. Tinder was much easier 4-5 years ago. Heck, even a couple years ago, it was easier.
spencerc25 6y ago
I haven't experienced the "unmatching" part of what you said but I definitely have the ghosting angle. I'm really glad someone in this sub reddit mentioned how tinder had a golden age because I went off it for about 2 years and when I returned noticed how many fewer matches I would get and how the experience was less enjoyable as a dude.
I push for the date asap and I definitely never play the "establish a connection" game with them knowing what that entails. Even chicks who seem be the type where they "really need to know you before the date" I move on from knowing it will be an endless array of messages and never lead to anything.
RedPilledGodEmperor 6y ago
Exactly. It's gotten ridiculous. It used to be so much better when it first started. Sure, the women might appear uglier, but you got more meet ups, matches and lays.
I get a decent number of matches, but the matches I do get are harder to keep or move things forward with. There is also the ghosting aspect which I have had to deal with an it's annoying. It's why it's really important to push for the meet up right away and if she's not interested, you have to move on.
And not bragging, but this is coming from a guy who is in great shape and who women have called handsome. I have found that women can be very bad at committing to a plan that's more than a few days or a week away.
spencerc25 6y ago
Personally, I'm not too upset about the lack of matches because I have 3-4 other more important things in life. But it baffles me how few I get. I'm talking like maybe one a week (I only swipe right on moderately cute girls or better).
And I have a high lay count at 27 yrs old and consider myself to have attractive professional pictures. I can only imagine what it's like if you aren't reasonably attractive. [location: Vegas]
RedPilledGodEmperor 6y ago
Yeah and I'm the same way in the sense that I have so much more going on in my life, which is why I stopped tinder for a while. Just a waste of time and effort. Only firing up again to see if I can get a quick pump and dump.
I'm 26 and I have an n-count in the 20s and things have definitely gotten harder. I don't care about finding a woman for a relationship. Just want sex from those women. lol
spencerc25 6y ago
The sad thing is this is how they want to get treated. I basically call them cheap prostitutes. For a $10 total spent out of my pocket, I can get laid. I'm not into pump and dump once so I actually make an effort to see these chicks every week or two. Then it fizzles after a few meets and they ghost. I get kinda bummed for a day but then I realize I just had commitment-less sex for like $10.
RedPilledGodEmperor 6y ago
Yeah. I don't want a committed relationship, but would love a consistent weekly fuck buddy. Unfortunately, it's harder to find because things tend to fizzle out like you mentioned. Plus, many women you deal with can't commit to plans that you make. Had it happen so many times.
spencerc25 6y ago
Yea man same. I can't figure out exactly why. I think it's just the nature of a women in her 20's in today's society. She has so many options for validation and attention.
My buddy who is engaged and has been out of dating pool for quite some time told me when he was in the dating game, you hoped to find a a) girl you find attractive, b) she likes you, c) you're both looking to date, d) you're in the same area. If you found that person, you definitely were giving it investment of some sort.
I thought it was interesting as chicks today can basically hop on a dating app the second they sense you aren't "perfect" for her and have 100 more candidates that may be.
thewrecker8 6y ago
A few months back i was relaxing at a table in a bar catching up with an old buddy. A couple tables over were 3 girls 2 land whales and a moderately cute girl. She was positioned in a way that when she was on her phone trying to keep her friends from seeing her screen she was on tinder or IG. I couldn't see much but enough to know it was tinder. She was swiping left like it was a competition. Not like she was checking a decent amount of guys or looking at some different pics they posted. It was like scrolling through a fb feed. I think Tinder is just a chick spotting a pic of someone she would fuck no questions asked then they go from there. Like you have 2 seconds to grab her attention with one pic or it's a left swipe. Granted it was only one chick I've seen tindering like she thought no one was looking but I'm sure they don't try to play the numbers like a lot of guys who mostly swipe right then figure it out.
askmrcia 6y ago
These apps exist to make money. As you said new users end up getting matches because the profiles are boosted to the front.
Like any fuckin app now a days it starts off good, to get that high dopamine rush and then to keep getting that high, you have to pay.
The app is no different from the candy crush or any of those freemium games. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they are holding back users from getting matches until they purchase tinder gold.
metallicdrama 6y ago
Daygame is best IMO because you’re gaming outside the standard arena. You fly below the radar, their defenses aren’t up, Usually you’re not contending with other dudes or their friends. It’s much simpler for so many reasons. The same things have greater impact than in a bar/club. You can leverage yourself in person much greater than you ever can through the internet filter of a fickle and impulsive creature like a woman. All you have online is pictures. That’s it. And without vocal tones, body language, etc, messaging and text game is more uphill than in the flesh. I used to do well on POF but it honestly isn’t worth the effort. The quality of women who DO NOT do internet dating is much better and they’re still AWALT. Attention whores are less able to waste your time with face to face assessment. They all still want to fuck. The women who don’t use the internet just want a guy to approach in person. Oblige them. Fuck Tinder.
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
I don't fuck with it anymore, but Tinder basically never led to meeting up if I chatted for longer than a day. On the other hand, I got laid a fair bit if I set up a meeting within hours after matching. Fortune favors the bold, and the persistent; volume on Tinder helped the most. But really, it's considerably easier to get a woman into bed if you don't have the additional step of convincing her to meet in person. I've had easier success from bars. Or not too long ago my front porch, for that matter.
[deleted] 6y ago
LOL @ you guys bitching about tinder. It's literally the easiest thing in the world. I got a date probably every week or every other week if I was looking. 10 minutes a day keeps the masturbation away.
In fairness, I haven't been on in two years. Maybe it's changed this much since then?
meaningintragedy 6y ago
I changed. It's rare af to have a date now even with good physique and pics. (I live in a big city)
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Shoot4321 6y ago
Yeah I’ve been on and off since it launched. It’s changed, more so that girls seem less keen to actually meet up and higher levels of ghosting. I still get about 5 matches a day if I go on and swipe at peak times but barely any reply even when I message within 24hrs of the match
RedPilledGodEmperor 6y ago
I started using tinder in 2014 when it was in it's first few years of operation and it was a lot easier. Heck, even two years ago it was easier. Women seem less keen to actually meet up in person now and despite getting a number of matches, none of them even reply to my messages.
Back then, if you had game and knew how to escalate, it wasn't that hard to get meet ups and get laid.