I have always seen in movies and in T.V. as a kid that this idea of a dumb sports guy as being the villain and majority times the person that doesn't end up with girl, becomes a failure in life, works for the "nerd" later on. The work of MRA's has advocated for male and boy rights and has opened many an eye to male discrimination, and I can't help but feel this derogatory belief of the "Jock" is among that feminist agenda.
Let me preface the story. I was in the gym having a conversation with a friend of mine. We've both been through our soft days, simping after girls, being lazy, not caring. But we've both gotten over that and have embarked on a new journey: transformation. I've known this guy for a while, and although my friends and I have grown up (making businesses, graduating, becoming independent) this guy has transitioned the most. He now works out regularly(benching/deadlifting 3x45 each side, protein shakes, eating healthy, no drugs), is doing well in a very hard major at school, and gets all the female attention(even though he plays it off we can all see that girls are knocking on his door the most haha nudge nudge).
What struck me was how I said his life is looking up, but he claims that he is afraid of becoming a "Dumb Jock"?? saying things like muscles don't matter and girls want sensitive guys( Dafuq, that didn't work for you before lol). It's gripping how no matter how much a man improves himself, he will always have that opinion that being a dumb jock is somehow a maladaptive trait and that those "Types of men" have bad character.
One of my male role models in life, Idc if you think that is corny, is CR7( Cristiano Ronaldo ). I saw him on the cover of Fifa Street 2 in 2008 and ever since that day I wanted to be just like the guy in every way, I root for him that much. I saw Ronaldo go from a scrawny portuguese kid, to in his own words "Rich, handsome, and a great footballer." Not to mention his almost alien like body transformation that gives him the power of Lou Ferigno's Hulk but the speed and agility of Bruce Lee. Anyone that knows opinions about him, knows that he is simultaneously the most hated gentleman alive, and the hardest working gentleman alive. And that is my claim, he does nothing but work on his craft, win trophies, donate to charity, and start businesses. Why should we call him a bad man, or role model when if even half of use acted like him, we'd be in a better place in life?
So to conclude I want to open up some discussion. Does Society, mostly women, brainwash us into thinking "Jocks" or jock behavior(whatever the hell that is) somehow is ugly, or wrong? Why are so many men afraid to model their lives after accomplished athletes and role models, when these men are highly moral, hard working, fearless people, who raise the quality of everybody around them.
TL;DR : My friend is transforming his body, getting girls, and making money, yet he thinks his life is worse before all of this. Helping him understand he is on the right path and should ignore the haters.
ArdyAy_DC 5y ago
Obviously, it's not 100% true for 100% of people. But try going to a Division 1 university and taking Econ 201 and having a couple football players assigned to your group for a project.
guccigoggle 5y ago
Our feminist society dumps men into universities as mating ritual for hypergamic women. These guys are most likely spinning plates and handling a lot of girls and feeling good, however they are frustrated by money troubles because they are Div1 after all, and the get zero pennies and some nice sweat suits. They are pressing you because they want approval from you whom probably has a better future than them. Try to punch back and use your wit when talking to them, be warm but firm, you will see they are not bad people. Hell they could even get you some poon.
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
So think about who writes TV schlock. Is it going to be studley jocks or is it going to be guys who went home and jacked off because the jocks were fucking girls that the introspective "nice guy" loser future scriptwriters were orbiting?
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
It is actually quite simple. Women are trying to betafy him since they want him to be both an alpha genes provider and a beta provider for them. So they have to do this and tell him that shit. The moment he becomes sensitive is also the moment they get disgusted and dump him.
Women don't negotiate with weak men. They negotiate with and manipulate strong men who they want to turn into a private servant.
If he falls for it then he has only himself to blame. By the way, nobody redpilled cares what women say only what they do. And right now they are fucking him. The proof of the pudding is in the eating
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Don’t listen to what the say, listen to what they do.
He’s afraid of turning into a dumb jock because he’s conquered the physical realm and doesn’t want to get pigeon holed into one category.
Women might tell him they want him to be sensitive because he’s already jacked so they’re getting that from him already. If you didn’t have that physical nature when trying to be sensitive then women didn’t want that from you. Or used it to deny you. Or used it as ASD on you and it worked.
If he’s knee deep in pussy and thinks he needs to be more sensitive for women then I’d say his frame is a bit weak. If he wants to be more sensitive because he wants to be that way regardless of women then I wish him all the best in his endeavors to improve.
guccigoggle 5y ago
Frame might be one of his shortcomings, but I can see how wanting sensitivity can also create duality. Tbh I want him to take notes on more athletic and business type men who fight for their place and make their mark. I think he looks up to the creative musician type who has good frame, and care free attitude but that is what lead him to laziness before so I think he found his rhythm and should double down.
IMO RedPill is about doubling down your strengths, you shouldn't worry about what you don't have( good looks, money, power, etc.) just double down on what's gonna foot the bill and attack your next target.
SKRedPill 5y ago
The media is a giant ASD shit test - if he knew the nature of women's sexuality and their sexual fantasies and data on their behaviour, he'd also know why they're driven to conceal it in the first place, and why their sexuality is reactive (unlike men's proactive drives) and the whole mechanism of the fundamental feminine lie (say what's approved, but do the reality). There should even be a term for it (I call it the FFL) up here - the FFL is an actual biological mechanism to allow women to covertly express the truth in their behaviours and only overtly reveal it when attracted to escalation.
Your friend is falling for this shit test. He also better know the process of betaization in long term relationships.
And before finding TRP I thought women were extremely complex and were as logical or honest as men. Once it becomes clear what nature intended to do with man and woman, and what's really going on, everything's clear as day.
Society as such is full of BS - every man becomes great and exceptional only by learning to deal with it and show it who's boss.
RobertTene 5y ago
This is probably the most well-written comment out here.
SKRedPill, you sound like you read the entire sidebar. Good on you man!
Bluefish680 5y ago
To answer your question, I invite you to answer mine first: media (movies, news, shows, etc.) are products made to be sold for money, now who is likely to spend their time watching a lot of media? Are they likely to be the type of people who run big business, work out, have vibrant social life?
No. They are the type of people who stay in, too afraid to live their own life as they see fit, rather live vicariously through others' dramas. They want to imagine themselves being George Clooney fucking actresses than making their own harem. The majority of TV consumers are women- that's why we have the trope dad-is-dumb-while-mom-is-clever, because dad don't watch TV, but mom does, so it's more profitable to make her feel good about herself.
Never listen to the advice of those who spend their nights watching TV. They might sound like they know a lot, but all they do is switching channels all day. They never know what it feels like to live life unscripted.
guccigoggle 5y ago
There is a saying like rich men buy stock, poor men buy Televisions, or something it's hazy to me,but yes this is true. Its amazing because we don't even think about how some of these people day to day just watch the TV, must be why society is so nihilistic.
Kyogata 5y ago
I really admire CR7. He's a good man.
lorum_ipsum_dolor 5y ago
Let's ignore the movies and TV for a second and look at the real world. Most of the "jocks" I went to High School with have done OK for themselves based on talking with them at reunions. The one exception is the football quarterback who's probably an alcoholic (he brought a flask to a reunion). Poor guy needs to get into AA but that's another story.
In professional sports NFL players are notorious for losing all their money while you don't hear about that from NBA and MLB players as much. I'd say on the whole, players who prepare for the future wind up doing OK. With this in mind, I'd suggest that the stereotype "dumb jock" is for the most part a thing of fiction.
Sounds like your friend is just suffering from insecurities and needs to work on his frame. At least he's talking to you about it and not (we hope) the women in his life.
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There's a little truth to what he says. I spend a lot of time in the gym and there are way too many guys trying to get too big and a lot of aggressive steroid mental cases out there. I'm not there to get huge. I'm there to get strong, ripped and lean. Invariably when the young thots half my age start surrounding me to get my attention(I read a book between sets), these guys get all worked up and try to mog me. It always ends quite badly for them. Don't be like those guys. They may be strong physically but mentally they are weak as straw.
Look like this: http://workoutscheduleking.com/wp\-content/uploads/2017/06/fassbender.jpg
Not this: http://bigdonsboys.com/fighters/pages\_05\_06/images/broc.jpg
RedwallAllratuRatbar 5y ago
I love how people post pictures like second one
It's like people can ACCIDENTALY look like that without stumbling over and falling on a pool of juice
bssftw 5y ago
You can look like either, workout to look how you want to look, image 2 100% will get you laid if you know game/have social skills
red_matrix 5y ago
You forgot one of the biggest lessons here:
Hyper_Sonik 5y ago
What is with all the younguns flooding this site lately. I've been on here for almost 2 years and I've seen a huge influx of young guys. Can someone explain. I miss the quality posts that actually had substance.
RedwallAllratuRatbar 5y ago
damn, I signed for facebook meme group that is incidentaly filled with teens
the hate against women is totally ripe
today I saw a meme like "women are like bad doors, if you dont use violence they won't shut up" and saw hundreds of comments agreeing with that
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ImpressiveDig 5y ago
TV has been designed and marketed to women. Anyone who has shit to do and is aware of whats going on in the world realizes that whatever we see on TV is indirect brainwashing. As said many times before, watch what women do and not what they say, clearly hes getting attention from women because of his physique and confidence. Imagine the attention he'd get if he was some lanky nerdy kid?
RedPilledRoaster 5y ago
Stopped after the first sentence.
Quit wasting time watching dumbass movies and lift motherfucker
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guccigoggle 5y ago
He's just healthier now, he would've never been on that kind of body awareness stuff before okay, its a step for some people. Growth is growth, I just hate when people grow and then consider going backwards.
positivecrystal 5y ago
are you making strides in this direction?
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