In this life, I personally tend to believe that your frame gets tested every day by people, and especially people who succeed less than you, probably by people of your social circle too. The more you pay attention the more you will notice this impacting your every day relationships.
In order to build a stronger frame day by day, you have to understand what frame is. I did this my own way through talking to people often and seeing how they would respond to different questions and in different topics, and also challenged my self to go out with Alpha males and talk to women and guys everywhere, I would notice that when I was taking a break from the gym and started losing gains, people I confronted pointed their attention towards me in a negative way, counter-asking questions or simply throwing a statement out of the blue that put me in a test, like a shit test. Because I looked weak. The weaker you look, the more they will try to break you and test you like in school, with the bullies. But it also happens that you get tested while you're in a good form.
Let's begin with understanding the term 'Frame'. Like fnordsnord once said :
Frame is your worldview. Not merely what you think the world IS, per se, but the way you think the world ought to be. When something is not right with your world, it is Out of Frame. But it's also the ruleset you live by. The way YOU make YOUR world work.
https://www.forums.red/p/TheRedPill/2496/what\_is\_frame/234978/
It's simple as that, frame is how you view the world around you and how you view yourself in this world. In order for it to be unshakable you have to start building and holding it every time you can, after getting used to it, it will be a game to you and seem like a habit you formed. Building your frame though, isn't only a mental process which is as important, but it's also physical and I'll break my view on this down below.
Before entering the mental side of building frame (I'll speak my view on this on a different post) let's take a look on the physical way around. In order to look strong and unshakable, but also be it, it's important you HIT THE GYM. It doesn't matter how hard it may seem now, you have to get your lazy ass off the excuses and start eating and working a program out according to your goals, which in the end will pay off very good regarding frame control. If you get into a daily habit of training your body, your mind gets set this way too and you feel stronger and fearless. It is important to have a strong body, that also looks worked out because people will respect (fear) you more and will not try to test you. You will be a moving time bomb to others and this is especially attractive to women.
In accordance with this is body language. It's not only imperative you get a good looking body, but also get a more dominant body language that conveys strength and fearlessness, the dude you just got introduced to by a group of people/friends who would test you out in bar to AMOG you in front of women will now be less inclined to do so and have second thoughts, his inner beta will have a conflict with what he was intending to do in the beggining because he's intimidated of crossing the line. However, there will be people who will try nonetheless but the effect is double, once you're dominant and content you will be able to battle their behavior and show them you won't tolerate shit thrown your way.
Dress well. This one speaks on it's own, get a fashion consultant or a tailor and get your looks set according to your own personal taste of course. Wearing slim but not too tight t-shirts, mostly plain by the colors of khaki, black, white and red along with some slim fit jeans, ripped or solid worked wonders for me, it helps show your physique more and you'll get commented on it by women most of the time, and mostly positively. Unless it's a shit test, but since you get to pick clothes you like and you look good it will be a piece of cake maintaining your confidence and frame. Looks are important but to a certain extent, and it is essential you pick the right clothing choices once you build an attractive physique, try to let it show, don't hide it. It will boost your confidence thus making your self image stronger and more dominant in your mind.
Practice your walking, keep in mind that straight posture is important, when you walk, when you stand. Pull your shoulders slightly back, arch your back and don't keep the head too high or too low, eye level.
Maintain strong eye contact. You'll want to look people in the eyes and especially women when you talk to each other from a close distance, practice this all the time. When you look people in the eyes, you seem more straightforward and show you're not afraid of confronting them, making some of them think again before testing you and if they do you will maintain your power while you answer straight looking them in the eyes, conveying power and bravery.
Go out and practice, don't forget to hit the gym and when you're out there live your life by your own terms and don't be afraid to show it physically. You are building your self and walking through a path to improvement, and you won't tolerate people's bullshit getting in your way to success. Don't be afraid to test them by doing all those things too. As long as you keep your shit together and follow these steps you will definitely attract more attention from people, and some will try to push you and test your frame, give them a good taste of what it is to not give a fuck about their world view and display your power over anything that stands in your way. This is all my personal opinion on this subject, and the way I interpret frame so take your time and adjust on anything you want. I'm open to discuss opinions.
TL;DR : Holding frame is a mental process, but it's also physical. Get this on point and you'll be good to go full on dominant in social situations.
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Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
It doesn't look weak when you lower your head to see shorter people, it's like you're domineering lol
thebigpapadragon 5y ago
Building the physical aids the mental. I believe the most important tools for a solid frame are mindfulness meditation and setting personal challenges that push you out of your comfort zone. Things like walking up to a stranger and stare at them without saying anything. Or forcibly putting yourself in situations where your frame will be challenged.
I've met a ton of musclebound guys with weak frames. They don't get tested as often so they get lazy.
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TheCreator_101 5y ago
You can absolutely train it like with any mental process.
DoubleOsiete 5y ago
Great post. When in social situations with other men, it is imperative that you hold frame, women forget little mistakes, in their eyes you can constantly reinvent yourself, and like in sales objections are easily overcome with the right words. When I see a man for what he is and then he later presents himself as something entirely different, I see the fraud, I smell the fraud, I know he is a fraud.
A man must have a code that he lives and breathes.
NomBok 5y ago
The mental and physical are inseparable. Do one of those head posture exercises on YouTube even though it's temporary (you'll have to keep doing them to make the effect last), you'll literally instantly feel more confident with your head up and posture straight, I guarantee it.
I'm sure you know about the studies that show people feeling more confident after doing "power poses" before interviews. Our brain takes cues from our body, so you can try to improve your confidence as much as you want, but if your head is sticking forward (which is a universal sign of submission that you're doing literally ALL the time), your brain is going to incorporate that into it's thoughts.
An excellent side effect of fixing posture is you will not only look taller, but literally be taller, by like an inch or more. How many people would kill to gain just an extra inch of height? You don't even have to, just fix your damn head.
Heizenbrg 5y ago
I so fucking need this.
I'm always on a computer and I have bad forward neck syndrome, and my neck is long as well. I'm developing my traps more to negate that but I still feel like an idiot if I try to hold my neck back more. This should help.
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NomBok 5y ago
Basically anything that talks about "forward head posture".
This is a pretty good one but seems to be very temporary, but good to get an idea of how it feels to have proper head posture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT_dFRnmdGs
Some basics about it in general from a physical therapy perspective: https://youtu.be/9OdAid7vO5w?t=10
Good info for working out with proper posture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YyA96CfNhA
Also very important to have proper shoulder position, back and down.
Some good Athlean X ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-7ZWPCWv0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-UGPeTN4g
cjoc09 5y ago
AMOG: 'Alpha Male Original Gangsta'?
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OfficerWade 5y ago
Once you start hanging around other Alpha makes it doesn’t seem so daunting to confront women, men or children for that matter. I have found myself interacting with complete strangers in a way I would have never done before unplugging. So when I was in the super market a child came up and hid in between my legs, I presumed from her parents and the old me would do something really silly like scold the kid which isn’t wrong but I recognized it was a game and acted like we were playing together until her dad came up and said I see you which sparked a friendly conversation between us and I walked feeling really good about that experience because it proved how this is a journey.
My uncle used to tell me anytime I’m walking away from something, there is your buried treasure. You have to start talking to people on a daily basis so you can attract your wife when you meet her.
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boxxybebe 5y ago
Just because you desire a compatible wife doesn't mean you're BP
sweeptheleg55 5y ago
Dude you're so paranoid and approaching socializing and life in such a weak insecure way. You just built all this bullshit to protect that scared little kid inside. You're supposed to grow that little kid into a man. Not build a shell of horse shit. I get most women only deserve a horseshit man. But you should hold yourself to a higher standard than what most women want
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Your comment is kind of indefinite. I'm not scared of anyone or anything, I just get annoyed by people who try to fuck with other's frame. I noticed that mostly when I was high on weed, people would tease and ask crap only to see how strong my frame is and the thing is it happened most when I was high, by the way most people couldn't tell because I used to hide it very well, but I don't know why this came to be. They fuck with people who are not composed or strong, weed makes you look lazy and sluggy so I think that is the reason. But in general people do try to fuck with your frame.
PleaseTheWalrus 5y ago
I notice this a lot also. People always trying to test you, especially women. I'm a pretty laid back guy and don't really give a shit about anything, sometimes too much I think. I always thought it was weird that almost everyone acts this way but I don't. I don't even care enough to try and test people because I think im a pretty good judge of character and really don't even need to do so.
SlothOnRoids 5y ago
Agree. 6’, 230 pound jacked guy checking in. The more muscular I get, the less I even have to speak to maintain my frame. Anyone who has been bodybuilding for years can attest to this.
DoubleOsiete 5y ago
I was going to ask if you were on test, and then I read your name. Good for you. Pump and dump my friend.
harmonicpinch 5y ago
What were you around pre-roids? I'm natural, used to be a runner in college, and lifted the past 4 years. I'm like 183/6" and very smooth and yet muscular, benching 315. I couldn't imagine being 230 lbs. You must be a complete beast haha.
SlothOnRoids 5y ago
When I was natural I was about 180 around 8% bodyfat, I was at the time able to put up 315 for a few reps and squatting 365x5, I don’t deadlift so I can’t comment on that number.
Since putting on around 50 pounds, majority of it consisting of muscle, those numbers have shot up quite a bit. Putting up 445 on the flat bench, squatting around 525. I get asked if I compete, strangers treat me with the upmost respect, always getting asked for training and diet advice, it is a form of power to be in outstanding physical condition.
Remember, look around, the majority of the population are a bunch of lazy slobs, it’s quite easy to stand out if you take care of your body.
harmonicpinch 5y ago
Oh for sure. Those are some solid natty numbers. Do you run/bike or do any interval training? Or was your goal to just put on a lot of muscle mass and not care about that stuff? I just don't want to be too bulky because I enjoy being quick and somewhat agile while still having some mass... I'm thinking if I were to add 10 lbs of straight muscle and be just above 190lbs, that'd be pretty solid for natty "all-purpose" shape.
SlothOnRoids 5y ago
I always envied guys that were fucking huge and lean, so my goal was to look like them. I never had trouble staying lean, so cardio and interval training I stopped doing when I started gear. I just wanted to pack on that muscle mass. Don’t get me wrong, I am still fast as shit when it comes to explosiveness because luckily my muscle fibers are way more fast twitch dominant than slow twitch. I can blow most people out the water in a 40 yard sprint, but when it comes to endurance forget about it, my shins and calves start going on me after a mile.
190 is still a great weight for 6 feet if your low bodyfat, it just doesn’t give off that “whoa” factor when you walk in a room.
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scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Yep. What’s interesting is when you find where the threshold range is. Like the poundage at which people start to treat you as high status.
superman1995 5y ago
Region dependent. I’m about a foot taller than the average girl and half a foot taller than the average guy here so the need for me to be big is basically negligible. Back in America, the fact that I’m 205 pounds matters a lot more given that I’m 3-4 inches taller than average and a minority
s2105 5y ago
Great post, loved it. Can you also write a post elaborating the mental traits/aspects of the frame?
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Will try soon, as I become more experienced and more is about to come. In the meantime check metalgears comment on my post, he can help with that.
Self-honest 5y ago
I was out with a couple of girls the other night that I like to use for preselection. I was leading the way into the bar and I heard them talking behind me...
"Self-honest walks around like he's the man" giggle.
"He IS the man" giggle.
In closing, everything you can do physically makes a huge impact.
RodzillaPT 5y ago
TL;DR: Become confident. Real confidence stems from reality and not from dellusions.
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
You build and during the process you get confident, the process itself is the reward.
jonpe87 5y ago
yes, real confidence comes from competence
whenfoom 5y ago
Frame is your will-based relationship to others. A shit test is when someone presents a challenge to one of the types of relationships you're posturing yourself as having. It's not a shit test to attack the strength of a wimp. The wimp isn't getting shit tested because the wimp isn't posturing himself as being tougher than others. Women only try to emasculate men who posture themselves as masculine. They try to deflate guys who posture themselves as big.
The point is that frame isn't a real thing (like an object). It's what I call an "existential truth" - meaning it's only true so long as people treat it like it's true. My view is that we subcommunicate our suggested relationships to others through mostly non-verbal/implicit cues. They can either accept or reject those suggestions. We usually make friends with the people who go along with our suggestions, and we dislike the people who don't.
A shit test isn't the acceptance or rejection of a suggestion. Instead, it's a challenge to the suggestor's strength to make that suggestion. A shit test is more like a casting director seeing if a person really has what it takes to play the role they're auditioning for.
To get good at holding frame, you need to know what are the suggestions you're implicitly making to others all the time. Do you make slightly stupid statements all the time because you want others to correct you so they can get a clear understanding that you're not the leader? Do you have great ideas all the time, and share them, but lack the execution so you make it clear to others that you don't have actual intentions of upsetting the status quo?
Most of the time when people fail shit tests, it's because they actually set themselves up to fail shit tests. For betas, there's value in failing shit tests. It makes it clear they're a beta. It's part of the role. But if you want to start passing shit tests, you have to start being the thing you want to start posturing yourself as being. Don't focus on being tough. Focus on taking on the kind of role that requires you to be tough. The toughness will just follow. When you get shit tested on toughness, it won't be an issue because your lifestyle has beating challenges to your toughness already built into it. You'll pass shit tests without even realize that you were being shit tested. Furthermore, if you go on to get shit tested on some other quality, you can just dismiss the whole thing. Because you've already mastered a role and you don't see mastering another as worth the investment. "Maybe one day, but for now I'm good."
TL;DR If you fail shit tests, don't focus on mastering shit tests. "Agree and amplify" is for kids. Instead focus on taking on the kind of role that has beating that type of shit test built into its DNA. For instance, if you fail manliness shit tests, get a job working in construction.
caunteris2 5y ago
"Perception of Reality is based upon either Truth or the Lie in which infuses the False Blinding Light Perpetuated by Facts. No man or woman is the Master over Truth but is the Gate to True Perception of Reality, Truth is it's own Being, and those that have it within themselves will hear when it is spoken and see past all the Bullshit. It will always confirm it'self crushing what is False and bringing Alive what is True, no matter how uncomfortable it may be. It's our Perceptions or Miss Perceptions of Reality that are going to Dictate our Reaction either to be Slaves and remain in what is False or they are going to set us free to become all we were meant to be in what we choose in Co-Creation in our connection to Kreator-Source..," Sethikus of Boza
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Very solid advice, I am going to check those things out and report.
eluethero 5y ago
Frame is essential for every interaction you make, frame control is a powerful piece on your board, like queen. It is like basic human needs in terms of TRP. I agree with op on physical state's influence on frame control. Neither charm nor verbal skill can give you advantage of a powerful posture and physically fit and strong looking body. Even in women, a muscular body can seem quite threatening (there is a buff, 8/10 fitness babe in my collage and guys get nervous while gaming her) .
Even though frame depends mostly on mental aspects, physical traits give you an undeniable tremendous advantage.
Rabbit-Punch 5y ago
If you think people are treating you differently because you haven’t been to the gym in a while, you are probably insecure about it and that’s affecting your behavior.
WhoresOnAHorse 5y ago
I‘m again surprised how much hamstering and ratio-shitting there still is in a reddit that is supposedly „redpilled“. it has been proven by dozens of studies that your body composition, height, muscle mass, body fat percentage, face structure, cleanness of skin etc. heavily affect how people see and treat you and still there are bluepill unicorn chasers that argue that it‘s all about confidence, looks don‘t matter and chicks that don‘t dig weak boys are so superficial i can‘t even
maybe his confidence has suffered because people treat him worse for having become weak - and deep down he knows they do so rightfully?
Don‘t take this personal, I‘m just pissed and rant ...
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
I'm actually saying the same thing, all of that plays an important role and what happens when you become weaker? People treat you like a punching bag. Show them no mercy.
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
I've only noticed that when you look skinny people don't take you as seriously as when you're jacked. Take an example of how everyone treats a jacked up bouncer, some are even afraid to speak a word in front of them.
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Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
You are preconceived and most people hesitate to speak to them, let alone throw a shit test or frame test at them.
JosephBosa 5y ago
I find that when you are the "Big dawg" your price goes up and people want to challenge you even more. Have you seen how some people try to "act tough" in the presence of a bigger man? Its all subconscious but its a defense mechanism.
I have noticed that when im bulked up and jacked its always lower SMV guys who start getting snappy with me. The higher SMV men show a strong respect. Low SMV men act out of insecurity. This is why the dudes who get no bitches at the club are always trying to fight someone at the end of the night lmao
Naughtypandaxi 5y ago
I agree 100% with what you said. I can tell a difference between when I wear glasses vs. contacts. A well fitted shirt, vs. some comfortable rag I throw on. When I am hitting the gym vs. when I have had a few month relapse. It is partly how you look at yourself, but aut also how people look at you. If you think highly of youerself, then people will subconsciously think " there must be a reason this guy is in shape, wears nice closes, and handles himself the way he does".
bl1871 5y ago
Won't tolerate shit thrown your way. Interested to hear aside from stomping a mud hole in dude's ass and then running like hell hoping that any of several causes keeps you from a law enforcement encounter, how you plan to do this
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caunteris2 5y ago
act like others but think for yourself
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banthrow 5y ago
There's a lot of advice about clothing here. I found that if you are shredded, you can wear a old dirty tshirt and you'll look like a model.
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Sure, but you have to remember clothes shouldn't be baggy or loose fit. It's better to be a bit slim but not too tight or you'll look try hard.
_Ozu_ 5y ago
Can you elaborate on body language beyond having a straight posture?
DoubleOsiete 5y ago
Take up more space. Do not put your hands in your pockets when you speak to people. Do not sway and do not fidget like a child. Look people in their eyes, always. Posture is more than just how you stand it is how you project your willingness to own the ground that you stand on.
virusofthemind 5y ago
Don't have your head on a swivel as if you're looking round for threats all the time or seeing where the value is. You're where the value is at. Another tip is: When something happens in the venue you're at whether it be a meeting you're at and someone enters the room, and everyone looks to see who it is, or in a bar and something happens out of sight and everyone looks to see what's going on. Be the one who is unconcerned and don't look.
It conveys that you're the highest value person in the room and the environment is of no concern to you.
I saw a great example of this a few years ago when I was caught in middle of a huge bar brawl with a good 30+ guys battling it out with chairs and glasses flying. There were guys sparked out unconscious on the floor, a huge rugby scrum of jacked dudes scuffling on the floor and even one guy doing a flying kick and in the middle of it all was one guy stood stock still and sending a fucking text as if he were just stood in the middle of his living room!
He was either mentally deficient, cool as fuck or one dangerous homie but whoever he was it looked awesome.
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
I laughed so hard I needed that, thanks!
AceofRains 5y ago
It came to my attention that I looked “young”. So at work I got the vibe people were treating me a little bit like a kid. I found out few people have assumed me to be 19 when I’m really 25. After that came out a lot of attitudes changed. It’s easy to poke at the inexperience of a 19 year old, but the 5 or 6 years in between make a big difference in how people behave towards you.
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Great. Try getting jacked up, they'll be even more hesitant to cross the line and fuck with you.
Robin2Fast2Furious 5y ago
Dude, my business partners are 50s. They often forget that I am in my 20s. People are always going to assume shit, let them. Let your actions speak your age.
DoubleOsiete 5y ago
I have had businesses partners much older than me and many employees decades older than me come to me for advice and direction. I am always the man with the plan.
banthrow 5y ago
From my point of view (I'm 40) there is no discernible difference between a 19 and a 25 year old.
Metalgear222 5y ago
I have a post on frame that touches on the basics of mental aspects rather than physical for those who're curious.
Last Sunday a plate tells me she's never wanted to try to please a man so bad in her life (she really does go the extra mile all the time). I asked her what the the biggest difference between me and the other guys she'd been with was. Her: "it's just the way you carry yourself"
Then I remember that prominent female vocalists and songwriters sing about that exact thing often. How a man carries himself.
Walk like a king would around peasants. Like this earth was built to serve you.
Master your walk and relaxed movement.
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Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Very solid point, I've seen this with my own two eyes.
Demiurge_Decline 5y ago
Yeah but asking that question takes two small alpha coins from your pocket. Its subtle but shows her you care and compare yourself to betas...
Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 5y ago
Abundance. I've fucked up this weekend with a girl, but I don't care. there are warmer weekends and hotter women
Metalgear222 5y ago
Meh I have plenty of alpha coins to spare with this girl.
Bhunnah 5y ago
Losing a couple coins from a plate is totally worth for future reference.
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nomba 5y ago
Or her Never Be The Same, “It’s you babe, and I’m a sucker for the way that you move, babe....”
jonpe87 5y ago
"Self improvement is masturbation" Tyler Durden
Has a jacked body in the movie hehe
sleepyblanket 5y ago
what does that mean exactly?
jonpe87 5y ago
That yes, you must improve yourself... Tyler is a shit test.
omega_fat 5y ago
He was a fucking hypocrite. "You are not your job" when he was exactly his job. "We are a generation of corporate slaves" come here boys become real slaves. Etc etc.
majaka1234 5y ago
Basically that while what he says sounds great, what he actually does doesnt jive with it at all.
If you were anything under 16% bf you'd know that getting that last few percentage down to shredded is fucking difficult.
So if you're a nihilist who believes that nothing matters, why on earth would you dedicate your limited time and effort on improving yourself physically to that point when you could simply eat the shit that feels great to you now?
Basically do what I say, not as I do.
ahg1008 5y ago
The whole movie is about nihilism.. Taking the red pill is anything but nihilism..
jonpe87 5y ago
Depends what you call nihilism, I'm a purposeful nihilist, my purpose is to enjoy the most I can of life, I don't have any spiritual purpose
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GLADmyNAMEaintDICK 5y ago
That isn't nihilism. Nihilism is a lack of value completely. There is not even an aim. There are no principles to act upon, so how does one act? Any living nihilist is a hypocrite, because to be a nihilist is to reason that life is of no value. If life is of no value, and nothing is of any value, why does one act to preserve life? Nihilism is really just a fashion statement nowadays.
jonpe87 5y ago
hmmm, so I'm not a nihilist, I 'm a pleasurelist
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
The word for that is hedonist. Or epicurean.
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halfback910 5y ago
Physical frame is definitely real. I noticed it when I shaved my head.
People stopped bumping into me on the street. Even in NYC. I had a 3 inch force field around me.
TRPcez 5y ago
Good content. Information is useful especially to those just starting out.
Maybe bold the subtitles to make things clearer. Well done
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joebrocks 5y ago
Great post man, still a newb myself so posts covering the basics like this are very informative
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Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Yeah like wearing baggy clothes and crappy wide jeans bro. That'll make you look good sure, go ahead show your masculinity to the world like this. I didn't mention anything about an exercise program, I only referred to the gym and lifting first of all and second yes you can dress to be attractive to women and intimidating to betas who try to fuck with your frame, but go ahead and apply your macho caveman bullshit, I bet you don't even shave your chest's hair lol