Hi ladies! I came across this page pretty recently, as part of trying to broaden my horizons as I return to a more traditional lifestyle after what I call my Wild and Free Phase, and it has been an absolute tonic. It is this phase I wanted to share with you guys, after having read a similar post by u/Ruinedgirl22, for whom I feel the deepest sympathy. I'm not sure if this is the kind of post that usually goes on this board, as you all seem much more about action than stories, but I thought I would share in the hopes that someone finds it useful or at least interesting. It's likely gonna be long though, so be warned haha!
My story starts a lot like the above: I met my first long-term bf as a virginal 14-year-old, we got together at 15, and stayed together until we were 21 (including through a year and a half of long distance as we went to different universities, and he went a year earlier than I did). He was also probably not "the best I could do" in terms of looks, but he was talented, intelligent, and certainly the alpha male of our social group, and I enjoyed plenty of perks for being the Wife of the Chief. We also got a lot of praise for the maturity of our relationship and how we always worked things out with little to no drama. Our relationship was not perfect, and looking back on it there was a lot I didn't see was wrong at the time (being a star-struck teenager in love), but he made me happy and for a while (as teenagers do) I thought we would stay together forever.
In the end, I started to feel stifled by the long distance and the things that weren't quite right between us, as well as getting bored and curious about what was out there. I will admit to being immersed (mostly by my own doing) in the mythical world of 3rd wave feminism for a couple of years leading up to the end, with very limited perspectives on life. In the real world almost everyone I was meeting at university was single, and due to social anxiety I was terrified that me being in a long-term LDR made me some kind of freak (spoiler: no-one really cared, but anxious brains will be anxious haha). So at first I tried to talk him into opening up our relationship, but he was very honest and firm with me that he couldn't do that. So I decided to leave and go on an adventure. I entered into it consciously, setting out a list of facts in my head to keep me safe, and I believe this is what saved my sanity.
- This was against my nature in a few ways, because I very much enoyed being loyal, but you can't find the limits of your nature without, well, finding them.
- I was going to get hurt. I was also going to have moments of exhiliration, fear, doubt, self-criticism. I welcomed all extremes of emotion because being human is about feeling things.
- I was going to make a lot fo stupid decisions, and in so doing learn a hell of a lot: about myself, other people, men, and the world we live in.
- This would be a phase. Though I didn't know where I would go when it ended, I knew this would be temporary.
In this phase all of the above proved to be true, time after time, and recently I'm proud to say that point 4 has come to fruition. I am not ashamed of this phase, and many people (including my pretty traditional father) have noted how good it has been for my personal development. In Nov 2018 it will be 2 years since leaving that LTR, and I have spent the time experimenting with my identity. I cut my hair short and dyed it blue for a bit, I tried tinder and open relationships, I raised my n pretty substantially, and all the while I did my best to remain in touch with myself and care for my mind and soul. I won't make this any longer by going into specifics, but feel free to ask if you'd like to know.
MASSIVE CAVEAT: This phase unsurprisingly coincided with having very thorough treatment for anxiety and depression, involving frequent sessions of 2 different kinds of therapy, and a course of medication. I personally could not have done it without all the support I was receiving at the time, so please be careful if this is something you're considering doing.
Weirdly enough, what hastened the end of W&F was meeting a man I will likely never have a relationship with. He's unapologetically traditional, a believer in evolutionary psychology, and probably the most intelligent person I've met in a very long time. This coincidence lead me to reflect on the phase as a whole, and what made me happiest, and I came to the conclusion that, even though my ex was not the man for me after all, I was happiest when I was in a devoted relationship with someone I considered my best friend and teammate. The man I met recently was the first person who encouraged me to think about it honestly, and gave me the space to realise that the trappings of femininity (devotion, giving, wanting to feel safe and protected) were not weakness.
So it is with great pride that I can say that I have been to the other side of the fence, and the grass ain't all it's cracked up to be, so I am hopping back over a wiser woman. I am deeply grateful that my experience has been a good one, and proud that I had the fortitude to make it positive (lord knows there were some low moments). Places like RPW are exactly what I need now, as I return to the task of finding someone to make my teammate for life, and being the best version of myself that I can be in order to do that. Another feature of my anxiety (which has come under control now) was that I gave up my biggest dream since childhood: becoming a mother. I want to make another post about this story in particular because I feel like it needs to be out there, and I also know this was a big motivating factor in me feeling able to move away from a traditional relationship system. The biggest blessing that I have received in the closure of this phase is reclaiming that dream. I can't wait to meet the future father of my children, and those children in turn. The future looks bright.
tl;dr - I left the 6-year relationship I started in my teens to see the world, learned a hell of a lot, and can safely say I preferred it the old way. Super thankful for places like RPW where I can feel safe to express this fairly rare sentiment. Feel free to AMA.
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I don't know about this. I feel like you're posting this from a good place, but the message is not good:
I'm glad you feel like you've grown as a person, that's valuable. But the way you're positioning this phase comes off as "I dabbled in feminism and promiscuity, and it was fun, but I'm going back to traditional stuff now that I'm satisfied with this".
You can't un-ring a bell. There's no hopping back over the fence 'wiser'. You're trying to have your cake (traditional values) and eat it too (slutty time in college). You're proud of going through a 'promiscuous phase' and that's a pretty reckless message, I think.
This isn't a cautionary tale. This is bragging about being able to sleep around and go back to being a good woman.
lilak22 5y ago
I fully respect that, I tried to convey that it's not something I would recommend for every girl, but didn't want to drone on too much haha! For me personally it couldn't have been another way I don't think, but I wanted to set it out straight so that people who have no intention of ever being promiscuous could read it and go "hell no, that is not for me", which some people here have done and that's awesome!
merel-- 5y ago
I had a promiscuous fase, I don't see it as something positive nor something extremely negative. I wish I was more of a good girl but I learned a whole lot from it. For example, I won't have to "see what's out there" because I know what's out there... Compared to the good little girls who marry their high school sweet heart and wonder their whole life what other dick might feel like. It may be a blessing in disguise.
lilak22 5y ago
This is how I feel about it. To me all experience is good experience, and I didn't feel able to move forward without knowing myself better. Some people can know themselves without experience, and that to me is very impressive and to be commended, but it's not how I am.
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I specifically take issue with the sort of braggy, "You can whore around and come back no worse for the wear" tone this has. It's like some off-brand Eat Pray Love, and I just think that stories like this one shared here should be more cautionary. I don't think that stories with this kind of message should be applauded.
That being said, someone else's promiscuity is not my business, and I'm not gonna attack someone personally for their choices.
lilak22 5y ago
I truly don't mean to brag about having cake and eating it. I guess I should have made it clearer that I completely accept that this phase will have lowered my SMV for traditional men. Moving forward I'm working on increasing it where I can, but I have well and truly spent some points and that's nothing to brag about, you are completely right
merel-- 5y ago
I think this a very good story to hear for the girls who have been slutting around a bit. Having a slightly higher n-count doesn't necessarily mean you can't find a good husband. Men would rather have a nice and nurturing ex-slut than a bitchy, nagging virgin. You can change your ways, is more the moral of the story not, go and fuck as many men as possible.
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I respectfully disagree.
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I also respectfully disagree.
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It depends on the man and their own standard of too slutty. For some men a woman with an N count of more than zero is automatically disqualified. Other men may be fine with a higher count, but the higher your count the smaller the pool of men that will find it okay. My N count is within the range my fiance finds acceptable. Even if I was perfect in every other way I still think it would be difficult for him to make peace with my count being higher than what he considered reasonable. I think pretty much every guy has some number in his mind that triggers a reaction of revulsion even if that number may differ from guy to guy. If you happen to have passed that number it will be really hard to get back in the running.
Can you find a high value man if you have a high N count? Possibly but it would be naive to believe that it doesn't make it harder.
lilak22 5y ago
Yes in my mind there isn't a perfect value for what men want, and like you say every man will have his own value. It also weighs in with other factors like your personality and your homemaking skills etc. I have no doubt my number will be too high for some men going forward, and I accept that with neither pride nor self-hatred: it is what it is now. Such is the nature of coming into this lifestyle as a 22-year old!
Kara__El 5y ago
I agree. Reading this, I felt like it was the antithesis of the RPW message. One of the primary points of TRP, as a whole in fact, is that you can't ride the carousel and expect a high value man to be okay with it, once you're ready to settle down.
While I was reading this, I remembered my own early 20s, when friends encouraged me to have one-night-stands and mocked my inexperience, because they thought it was important. Now, I'm happily married in my 30s and they're single moms binge-watching Netflix. They'd have done well to skip that phase.
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Kara__El 5y ago
All of that is contrary to RP theory. In another comment, I told OP that some might agree with opposing points, as you obviously do, but they don't align with RP and this is the RPW subreddit. It's a rule that we don't debate the main tenants.
LuckyLittleStar 5y ago
This is not in line with RP values. Just because you believe something is tge case doesn't make ot true and just necause someone is married doesn't mean their marriage is happy or fulfilling.
lilak22 5y ago
I have unending respect for your choices, you stayed strong in the face of social pressure I for one could not have coped with at that age. I unsarcastically bow to your gold-star adherence to this way of living. I suppose what I was aiming for was to put out my story as someone joining the movement rather than being born into it, for anyone who - like me - might be too scared to ask for guidance from people who have more experience, like the fine ladies of RPW.
Kara__El 5y ago
Well, thank you, but the problem with this post is the outlook that you can have your fun, rack up the sexual partners, and then return to traditionalism and land a traditional, alpha guy, who's going to be as cool with your number; because your post is coming off as prideful of those years and guys, not remorseful.
You don't seem to actually regret your decisions, but consider them a learning opportunity and while some might see validity in that perspective, it's pretty contrary to the core principles of not just RPW, but TRP. Perhaps you're seeking a more liberal or beta guy, and that's your prerogative if so, but for the most part, this is not an RPW mentality to encourage.
i_have_a_semicolon 5y ago
Tbh, I don't "regret" my past (the events lead me to who I am today and engaged to my favorite person), but if I could repeat my life and still wind up exactly where I am with the man I'm with now , without an N? Yeah I would.
I am sure OP is embracing the positive side here due to her anxiety disorder. IMO it will be tough she still has learning to do. Learning that you prefer relationships over casual sex is a "hard lesson", but IMO shouldn't be necessary for all women. Whatever the case it's indicative of underlying issues (mental health ones).
I would not suggest women try something they have zero interest in trying. I would also not suggest women try casual sex even if they thought they wanted to try It. I can't really suggest casual sex as a solution to any problem or any desire besides wanting to bang lots of dudes. It doesn't fufill you. It just leaves you high and dry.
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This. You can ride the carousel. You can find a man. You can't ride the carousel and expect to find a high value man who will have you. They typically have better options.
Kara__El 5y ago
I once wrote, on this subreddit, that my husband told me he probably wouldn't have cared if I'd had a really high number. A male reader pointed out that that's pretty easy to claim, when he knows he's only number two. Touché.
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[deleted] 5y ago
OOF. The truth.
lilak22 5y ago
This is so true! I've experienced this before as well, and it's easy to say when they're already committed to you.
BokehClasses 5y ago
What he really meant to say is that once he got to know you and became emotionally bonded, he wouldn't have cared about your partner count.
Which seems to be missing two things:
1) Men usually cut it off before the "get to know you" phase if the partner count is too high.
2) A different partner count would have led to a different you. So the "get to know you phase" would have been different.
Kara__El 5y ago
Good points, but I think he genuinely just meant my husband is full of it. We've discussed it since and, now that we're married, he pretty much agrees.
BokehClasses 5y ago
Oh i was talking about your husband, not the guy who commented about him.
BokehClasses 5y ago
Question 1:
What do you think your first BF (or any friends/family) could have said or done to prevent you from taking the path that you did?
Question 2:
Do you plan on telling your kids this and do you wish your kids to avoid the path you have taken?
lilak22 5y ago
Thanks for the questions!
I don't think there was much my first bf could have done to be honest, that relationship was coming to an end so staying together would not have worked out, or indeed been healthy. If I had had friends that were like the women here they probably could have talked me into staying in traditional monogamy at least, as a way of dealing with my doubts and fears of the time. Even with the men I saw in that time I vert easily slipped into starting relationships (I cannot do one-night stands to save my life!), so it would not have taken much support from female friends for me to find another LTR I'm sure.
Wolfssenger 5y ago
This is patently preposterous.
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You are beyond deluded on what this "phase" is and even if by some infinitesimal chance your recollection and it's implications are completely true, the message it sends is irrefutably destructive. Let's embark on this anger-fueled journey as to why.
What makes you think that any of the things of value you learned on this escapade of irresponsibility could not have been learned without giving into your most base instincts and being a complete fuck-off for x amount of years? I realize that knowledge is gained through mistakes, but the caveat is that you can(and it is a signifier of wisdom to) learn through other's mistakes. I find it very hard to believe that you embarked on this "journey" primarily to "grow" yourself as a human being, because there are so many other ways by which you can achieve that.
It is often that we learn the most about ourselves and the world when we encounter hardship. Indeed, pain and suffering are often the harbingers of strength and wisdom. However, every path of life is rife with pain and suffering, and it is the path which you choose that determines the type and it's efficacy in cultivating wisdom and strength.
I say this because you chose the path that every other base, feeble minded woman in our degrading society takes. That of shirking responsibility, mindless pursuit of pleasure and extended childhood. This of course has it's own pain and suffering, arguably more, and you're lucky if it grows you as a human being and doesn't simply turn you into a bitter, hateful ideologue(see modern feminists/anarchists).
You could have chosen a path of self betterment, career advancement or community involvement and contribution. These are paths of responsibility that require discipline and foresight to follow, and come with their own iterations of pain and suffering, the difference being that these paths are much more likely to procure wisdom and strength and are societally sustainable. Your path is NOT societally sustainable and I will highlight exactly why.
Do you really think you've gotten out of this scot free? You cannot escape biology no matter how clever or self aware you think you are. As such, at the very least your ability to pair bond has been fucked as badly as you have. While you've neglected to provide many details about this time(both for brevity but I suspect in part, subconsciously to preserve the gleeful tone with which you present it), it's entirely possible for many of the "low moments" to be a direct consequence of this delinquent lifestyle.
You got to where you were as you admitted by having a great deal of resources and a lot of luck. This path is a terrible general suggestion to anyone, as not only are their objectively better paths for expansion of wisdom and self growth, the consequences of this imbecilic lifestyle are all around us. Single motherhood, fragile marriages, broken, unwanted children, sexual assault allegations in droves and an epidemic of STDs. Another more indirect consequence it entails is a plethora of adult children who have avoided responsibility and self temperament in some of the most formative years of their lives.
Now you might ask, why this is an issue. This is because stories and ideals shape society if you are going to tell a story, you had better consider it's message. And if you consider yourself any type of decent person, you had better act in a way such that if everyone in society acted like you, society would at least be functional. Your story is that you can go be an irresponsible adult child for a time and come back to being a well-adjusted adult with absolutely no consequences. We know for a fact that this is not a sustainable method of being because we are living in it's partial product. Single mothers, divorce, STDs and damaged children are rife in our societies and it's because of the idiots who made the same choices and thought they were somehow above an accidental pregnancy or STD.
To sum this up, you got out intact because you were lucky and had the resources.
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These comments are egregiously irresponsible and indicate you have absolutely no regret or remorse in either your blatantly moronic actions or the impact of the ill conceived message you put forth. It is precisely the ignorant, cock hungry, short sighted women like you(perhaps minus your return) that help fuel the absolute cesspool of a sexual market that currently grips the western world.
I deeply hope that you reflect on what I've said because your "Wisdom" coming out of this is as depraved as your foresight and responsibility were going in. And, on a more personal note, it is exactly ingrates like you who cannot bear to reign in their promiscuity when faced with a multiplicity of accessible dick that fuels an animus towards women I pray I did not have. Think deeply and carefully about this. You've learned little, and your road to anything respectable is long.
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jesus christ my dude
Wolfssenger 5y ago
Amen
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Wolfssenger 5y ago
I agree what I said was extreme, hence my apology afterwards.
Please keep personal information personal.
[deleted] 5y ago
OP sounds like what I imagine my sister might say to rationalize her behavior in a few (maybe several) years …..
My sister is not a very good person.
lilak22 5y ago
Thank you for such a long and detailed comment, I hope you will forgive that my response will necessarily be long in kind. I can completely understand that this comes across as a destructive message, and as you say stories do shape the social world, but I would like to let it be known that I just wanted to put information out there, for people to make their own minds up about. Thusly, your response is just as welcome as the others, and I thank you for taking the time to go into such detail. You're very right, every option in life has downsides, and I chose a path with a lot of downsides. I don't doubt that it was partially self-destructive, as my mental health was pretty poor at the time nd I did turn a lot of it inwards. What I chose is common for irresponsible women these days, and I make no claim to being any less irresponsible than they are. I was a product of my social environment, as we all are, which included a lot of options and almost no guidance (one of the most destructive facets of modernity, I would say). So yes, I chose what the people around me were choosing, because I had no examples of anything else (community, career, and all the other valid things you listed). This isn't an excuse, just an explanation, and I'm working hard to include better examples in my life now. I may yet become bitter about it, but I'm doing my best to stay sweet! I did debate including more details of the specific people I met, but as you say I was trying to keep things short and light. My ability to pair bond, I can report, is steadfast. It's one of the reasons I knew I couldn't live a modern life of hookups and mess, because I unintentionally ended up in relationships 4 different times and had 3 near misses. But yours is an important message: I am not typical in this way and women should seriously consider what modern culture does to their ability to form attachments because I too see the fallout all the time and it is a huge tragedy. My story comes at the turning point, so you are likely to be correct about there being consequences: I haven't encountered them yet, but I'm sure they are waiting for me in the future. Indeed the man I mentioned meeting recently he stated that he would not want me as a partner because we met while I was still being a twat, so I have already had one rejection because of what I've done, likely the first of many. I am exceptionally lucky, and I hoped to get that across so that anyone learning from me could factor it into their calculations. I hope people will read these comments too, because I think they're arguably more valuable than my story itself! I understand that the moral judgements you've made about me as a person are well-founded, and you can insult my character all you like, but I am what I am. The road to what I want is indeed long, but I am throwing myself into the grind with determination and a smile, so I'm satisfied that I'm giving it all I've got. I won't try to make anyone like me, least of all people like you who have made up their minds in a very passionate manner! But I thought I would explain myself a little, as is merited by such thoughtful criticism, so I hope you will take it as that and not an attempt to start a fight.
Wolfssenger 5y ago
I'm not going to apologize for the substance of what I said, however I would like to issue an apology for the manner in which I said it. It's fairly unlike me. I've been under quite a bit of stress lately and this(obviously) hit a soft spot, and while that's no excuse it's not my usual mode of operation.
I commend your tempered response to the situation, and I'm glad you've resolved to improve yourself and realized the harm the path you chose is likely to cause for others.
As a final request, I'd like to petition your forgiveness for my unchecked anger before, and invite you to stay and participate. There are a plethora of upstanding, helpful people here that can help you with your journey, and I promise not to bite you again. I wish you the best.
skeleflor 5y ago
It's heartening to read that you are taking the necessary efforts to correct course, and I find this a prudent addendum to your tale of redemption. I do think it's early yet to assess what damages you've incurred in the long run. You hope your ability to pair bond hasn't been compromised, but this is relative to the pairbonding abilities of women with like history--not to those of women with more reserved sexual pasts. For your sake, I wish you a smooth trajectory toward happiness. Consequences may indeed come to less lucky ladies when a potential husband seriously considers how much it will bother him to remember just where the mouth that kisses his hypothetical children has been.
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pearlsandstilettos 5y ago
FYI: I think you meant to write this in the LTR thread. It doesn't fit with this exchange unless I'm missing something.
Wolfssenger 5y ago
Yeah, I meant to put it there. My browser nearly had an aneurysm. Thanks for the heads up.
LuckyLittleStar 5y ago
I'll allow it, you can remove the note.
xelaandra23 5y ago
Disagree with some of the comments you've gotten here. I get what you're saying and I think it's totally healthy that you sowed your oats, saw what was out there, and then got it out of your system. Now you're ready to settle down and be traditional. Makes sense to me. :) Good for you.
xelaandra23 5y ago
I'd like to add to my comment that for some people, learning from experience is the best. You went against your instincts and experimented, and then your instincts were even more reinforced - you realized that that life really wasn't for you. You learned your lesson. Now you never have to wonder again. Again, I think many of the commenters on here are being too hard on you.
JJ3314 5y ago
I don’t get a real understanding of why you decided the experimental phase was not for you, apart from hearing that there is an anxiety and depression diagnosis which coincided in time. I’m not left with a description of how the behavior led to the depression, or at least worsening of the same, if at all. By the end you kind of make it sound like everything was great!, but just not for you, kind of like how I prefer cookies and cream ice cream to mint chocolate chip. Except mint chocolate chip has never caused me to feel anxiety or depression, or at least aggravated these symptoms, so I’m left feeling like there’s some missing information here about how these experiences impacted upon you on a personal level.
lilak22 5y ago
You're right, I tried to wrap it up quickly to avoid rambling but I did sacrifice some detail. The phase ended because I realised that, though I was recovinf my mental health, what I was doing was not making me happy and I could not sustain it going forwards. Also the decision to resume pursuing a future of marriage and motherhood was incompatible with that lifestyle and I picked the long term goal. I do still have moments where I'm anxious about what this experience will mean going forward, and whether or not I can achieve my goal having had this experience, but I think a certain amount of anxiety is a valuable motivator to change and get things done! As I said in a reply to another comment, I have already had my first rejection because of this period of behaviour, and it did hurt. I'm just focusing on moving forward at the moment. I hope this helps clear it up!
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One of the major point, serious major point from TRP is that you can’t ride the cock carousel, be promiscuous with Alpha Chad and then later decide you want a good man to take you seriously as wife material. This is a AF/BB theory.
My husband was an ex-player and he had to jump through hoops to prove he has truly repented. I wasn’t going to take a “I had my fun” excuse and now I want a nice wife with low N count. Because why does he deserve that?
I’m glad you changed but you’ll likely find yourself having to prove you have changed. Any man seeking a wife material to marry is guaranteed to want to know your history with men... unless he’s a full beta, and then you won’t find him attractive at all.
lilak22 5y ago
Definitely, I am only just starting to put the work in for giving off the correct vibe to attract the men I want, and I would only accept ones that required that I prove I'm committed to the change. I will probably be back on this forum for advice on how to do this when I run into specifics!
merel-- 5y ago
N-count is only a small part of what men look for in a good partner. If you're in your 20s and it's in the triple digits you're fucked but having had a couple of FWB or ONS apart from long time partners doesn't really scare a man of in my experience.
I honestly think this sub places too much attention on being as innocent as possible. Unfortunately it is normal now to be a slut in your late 10s/early 20s. A lot of girls found out that doesn't make them happy. Are we going to ostracize them for doing what is considered normal and then trying to better their ways? That seems ridiculous. Young girls should be warned about this lifestyle but it's just very cool to be a slut today.
It's a 1000x more important that you are a caring, loving, supportive and feminine energy in your future husbands life than being a virgin.
fosho_away 5y ago
100% agreed. As people have said, you can’t unring a bell. So what are you supposed to do, give up? No! Continually improve, self-reflect, and put energy into a good man with this knowledge.
Personally, my n-count doesn’t even really get asked about very often? Although I’m almost 30 and live in the most liberal pocket in the country, so men seem surprised I don’t put out on the first few dates...
BokehClasses 5y ago
New generations will keep being sluts until they see the women of previous generations face their consequences. That's a good enough justification for slut shaming.
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Sorry. Do not agree at all. You contradict yourself. Just because something is considered normal doesn’t mean it’s good. It’s normal to have loads of student loan debt, but it’s not good. It’s normal to be promiscuous in the 21st century, again, it’s not good. Being promiscuous and feminine does not go together.
I believe people can change but the problem is most women do not, AT ALL feel badly about having a promiscuous past. That’s because having a promiscuous history is so normalized. The higher the N count the more problem a woman will have pair bonding.
merel-- 5y ago
Never said it was a good thing, normalisation of promiscuity is one of the the worst things that ever happened to femininity since the creation of the Catholic church. And what if they feel badly about their past? Should we still shame them for it or should we encourage them to change in the ways they still can?
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If they feel badly that is good. The problem you’re not hearing is that most do not not feel badly. It is brushed off like no big deal just like this girl that posted this original thread.
Go and listen to YouTube and TRP forums. If a woman has truly changed and demonstrated she has changed, then fantastic! Let’s help her and not shame her.
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Congrats to the new beginning!
lilak22 5y ago
Thank you! I'm looking forward to it, good and bad
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pearlsandstilettos 5y ago
I feel like you are not ready to be commenting on the women's sub.
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