I am a 28 year old woman living in London and living a modern, possibly feminist lifestyle. I would like to improve my relationship with my boyfriend of two years with some red pill thinking. I believe he doesn't see me as wife material and I want to change that as I am deeply committed to him and want to one day be the mother of his children.
He was raised in a very traditional family and I believe this has profoundly influenced his view of women and his role as a man. He is very masculine and alpha and I think he values femininity in women more than he would ever tell me. I am not the epitome of a feminine, red pill woman. Outwardly, I am independent, career focussed, individual and have worked quite hard to build a life for myself. Inwardly, I want to move into a new stage of my life where I am family orientated and around loved ones more. I believe he doesn't see me as wife material because I am not very domestic, and only occasionally cook/bake. I don't have enough female friends and too many male friends, despite working in a female dominated industry. I am also not confident around children and it can come off as uncaring.
What steps can I take to prove that I would be a good wife and mother? Is it a good idea to talk to him about it directly?
I appreciate it that's it will be a long process but I am willing to take the first steps.
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[deleted] 5y ago
I am coming from a similar place as you, and I personally do not follow a full RPW philosophy. I just don't agree with everything about the lifestyle, but I can say that there are some hugely helpful aspects of RPW and it is possible to be an independent, professional woman and still use this philosophy to your advantage.
So much of it is just about softening. If you are argumentative, cut back on that. No nitpicking, don't correct him needlessly. If you're going to debate, be flexible and playful. Be fun and openminded. That flexibility goes a long way and overlaps with sexuality (be open and available as much as you are comfortable), be willing to accommodate him and be forgiving. Show your trust in him. Cut down on vulgarity, show some tenderness in your words and the way you move. You can be domestic in ways beyond cooking-- treating your home with pride and care. Basically just be more aware of your body and attitudes. When it comes to kids, this is relevant too.
There is a lot more to it than that, but the idea is to be a truly soft place to fall. Be a good, supportive partner. Don't be inhibited by the stress and discomfort the world tends to put on women. You don't need to be angry or forceful in a good relationship, but that is unfortunately what a lot of women become when things are not going well. So if you feel your relationship may be heading in the wrong direction, make an effort to breathe new life into it, not clam up more. You'll find a lot of good info reading through the posts and comments here, just remember you can take what you like and work around the rest. I found some of the things I read here to be untrue to my reality, but other things were relevant and helped me a lot.
This blog isn't outwardly RPW but it is basically the same philosophy and helped me a lot.
Kp9999kp 5y ago
Thanks very much, this was really helpful. I do have an argumentative / mean side that I should work on. I think it comes from a needy place.
I have been reading renee wade for a while and I feel like some of both her advice has a saved me much heartache in my relationship!
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missguidedme 5y ago
Feminism has changed its meaning a lot through out the years, if in the very beginning it was simply for women to be able to vote, receive education, and be able to support themselves independently, now it is more about masculinizing girls and feminizing boys. So go figure.
I listen to relationship advice from a woman named Mila Levchuk, she categories women into three types: Woman Minus, Woman Zero, and Woman Plus. You can have qualities of a woman from more than one category, I advice you to make some hot tea, get comfy and read what I have below. I copy and pasted her four posts that I think will help you out below.
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I Hate The Woman In Me:
There are so many women around who turned away from the resource of their female energy and even have done so on purpose.Why the number of women ready to fight dragons is getting higher and higher? Maybe you don’t feel the girl in yourself, or maybe you never wanted to be one?Reasons:
First step – stop rejecting yourself. Accept it – you’re a girl and that’s great. You are not worse than man and you don’t need to be like them to get approval. You also don’t need to become one of the ‘mean girls’. This is going to the extremes! I need to get back that part of myself, that I rejected, if not for staying true to myself, then for making my life easier and more pleasant.
Woman Minus: Have you ever heard stories when with one woman a man was a loser – he could barely make the ends meet, cheated on his woman, and was impudent – but once he found another woman he began to change in a blink of an eye: he started up a business, straightened his shoulders, succeeded in life? I have, many times. And today I will tell you the reason. When with a man, a woman always takes one of three positions. Moreover, of course these positions have their influence on the success of this man in work and any other plans. Remember this saying? Behind every successful man, there is a woman. Unfortunately, it is also true for a mediocre man, and … Well, this is what I will start telling you about today.So, there are three positions: a minus-woman, a zero-woman, and a plus-woman. Today we will start with the first one.How can you determine that you are a minus-woman? Look at your man! If you tend to agree with the statements above, most likely it’s your role:
Woman Zero:A zero-woman is a position when the couple always bargains “firstly he does something, and then I will...” It’s how the zero-woman thinks and loses. She’s always trying to make excuses: “What can I do if he is like that… how can I explain it to him?” In such a relationship the man doesn’t improve. He acts from the position “What for?” You will see a zero-woman in yourself if at least two statements above are true for your man:
Such a behavior of the man states that his life hasn’t got the smallest motivations to do something. His task is not to make it worse, which means he only needs to go up the escalator with the speed it’s moving down.In conditions created by a zero-woman, a man is capable of nothing and will always be afraid of changes.
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Woman Plus (the type of woman you want to be):We’ve finally got to the gold standard. Some are more, some are less, but there are women for whom men are ready for everything. They perform feats, defeat the dragon, and bring treasures to their women. It happens even if the man was a fool before he met the plus-woman. Let’s check.
And this is her post on How To Be Attractive To Men:
This post was inspired by a conversation with my friends. I devote it to them!Women have some kind of alluring energy that everybody knows about. For some reason men latch on to some women and avoid others like a leper regardless of their good looks. And that is just the point.The more femininity a woman exudes the more men will respond to this call. To get this energy, you must... treat yourself!You should do just what you've always liked: go shopping, get a massage, spend time with your friends, write poems, go for a walk, take aromatherapy baths, take care of yourself.The most attractive girl is the one beaming with happiness, smiling, stepping lightly and looking great!Try to be friendly; watch the expression on your face. A poker face scares men more than dollar to ruble exchange rate.Do male strangers talk to you in the street?
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She has an instagram account where she posts about it, her Russian account is the most popular and just recently she started an english one: @milalevchuk_eng
[deleted] 5y ago
This was so eye-opening to read. I'm curious to see how it would be flipped for a Man Plus, as far as how a woman would act.
It also made me happy reading how happy, feminine women treat themselves. For the longest time I felt guilty for wanting to get facials and massages but I realized it's self care. I'm doing something to improve my confidence, which will flow into other areas of life.
missguidedme 5y ago
You should never feel guilty, there’s nothing wrong with being feminine and treating yourself. By taking care of yourself inside and out you show love for yourself and I think it is very important. We often hear people say “I don’t care about myself” and it shows in their appearance, very rarely and almost never a person says “I love myself and that’s why I care about what I put into my body, I put care into my appearances, and I choose who surrounds me”. A lot of people might think its vain because it is embarrassing to love oneself but looking like an overworked horse and not caring how you look is considered “powerful”.
No person is guaranteed to be with you for life, but your body is the only think you wake up to and go to bed with. It deserved to be well taken care of.
Likesunshinedust 5y ago
So helpful! Thank you!
Kp9999kp 5y ago
Thank you very much for your kind help! It's so interesting to read about what it means to be a woman in this way. It's completely different to everything I have ever read in the media! Starting to make more and more sense...
memelia 5y ago
Isn't it crazy!?! And others try to make us feel guilty and think we're being "selfish" for doing so
missguidedme 5y ago
I’m happy I helped! :)
suzannehatton 5y ago
Thanks for the info!
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missguidedme 5y ago
You’re welcome! :)
reamarie00 5y ago
Wonderful post. Thank you so much! Helpful for women at any stage in her relationship.
missguidedme 5y ago
Yes, I love her posts!
merel-- 5y ago
Having a career doesn't make you masculine, cooking and baking doesn't make you feminine. Femininity is not what you do it's who you are and it probably already is inside of you. Being feminine is being sensual instead of sexual, being soft and flexible instead of hard and rigid. See what femininity means to you and if you find your femininity he will stand stronger in his masculinity. It's very much an introspective process. :)
KittenLoves_ 5y ago
This is a fantastic comment. Succinct but perfectly encapsulates the ideas behind rpw. +1 star for you! /u/pearlsandstilettos
pearlsandstilettos 5y ago
+1 Star from /u/KittenLoves_ . Yay for you!!
merel-- 5y ago
Heuuuuy noice
Kp9999kp 5y ago
Thanks merel. I struggle with the abstractness of some of the red pill ideas. Can you offer me some examples of what femininity and sensuality is for you? I understand it may not apply to me as we are all individuals but I think I would find it helpful to have more context and specifics?
merel-- 5y ago
For me a big part of it is being a shoulder to cry on for friends, being kind and respectful to everyone (even homeless people deserve this, I don't feel disgust for them but neither pity), loving people I care for unconditionally but not putting up with behaviour that hurts me. It's a mostly a combination of vulnerability and strength that I think is my femininity.
rookebay 5y ago
I see you are looking for specifics, which is difficult, because they are very different from woman to woman.
Literal things that have made me reconnect with my femininity:
I have started to listen to music that sounds feminine. (I have fallen in love with lykke li. The quality of her music is very feminine to me. “If you like the feeling of a hard rain falling. I’ll be a seafull, I can give you an ocean.” Those lyrics make me feel full and restorative.) I used to only be drawn to male voices and more masculine music. I still am because that is what I want, but not what I want to embody, if that makes sense.
I have always been into makeup. It’s one of the best parts of my day. I focus on myself, I have fun with colors (not crazy clown, more in an artistic sense) and enhancing my features. I want to look good of course! But it’s also a solo kind of self-development. I cherish that time and the results. Recently, I have been putting more effort into smelling lovely. I obviously have always worn deodorant, but I invested in delicious smelling shower products, perfume that compliments me, luxurious hand lotion that feels and smells beautiful.
I have learned that femininity is an experience. Some women practically find the feminine experience in cooking, homemaking, clothing, art, gardening, hairdressing, all forms of creative nourishment. But I think truly, it’s not the doing of these things that makes them feminine, it’s the sensual response, the experience, that is feminine and receiving. And that experience is magnetic to the masculine.
I suggest that you find a spot in yourself that is malleable or soft and look into it, what makes you feel like a woman? Even a small seed of this tenderness can grow and bloom into the experience. I’ve found it to be the most authentic version of myself.
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