No, I think that some women are real pieces of work, but so are some men, and there are always people who can't get along with anyone else.

I think a lack of jealousy in this sub also stems from the fact that there is a mask of anonymity. It's much harder to not feel jealous/insecure with women who are around you in every day life, which is probably why this sub serves as such an outlet. It's interaction without real-life consequences. However, I do believe it's very easy to move away from being the jealous friend, and mostly just requires a bit of confidence. Why are you jealous? Is someone exceeding in an area you are particularly insecure about? Work on it and the jealousy will dissipate.

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I don't think hate is the best word. It's likely better to describe it as disloyal and highly competitive. Women have a higher reasoning ability that allows a high degree of rationalization relative to their feelings rather than the facts. Functionally...she can tell a lie that is truth to her.

It's why you can get different answers to the same question from the same woman and have her truly believe them to be accurate. Ask about N count...you get a "well, that didn't count because..." Rationalization is a powerful weapon that allows someone to overcome normal restraining emotions like guilt...which is a huge advantage from an evolutionary standpoint, but leads to things like hypergamy.

Factor in the ability to rationalize with competitive natures and a lack of innate loyalty...and it creates some risk.

I am RP, and my Captain is RP.... we talk about this type of stuff all the time.

Men are physically violent, women are emotionally violent.

Women's area of offense and territorial behavior, is social. We are competetive.... and live in starvation mindsets, unless we have a Captain to bring us into a better frame. So we're scared, and honestly never leave highschool social dynamics... Which can look like we hate each other, or are amicable.

I'm a fan of being aware of the natural dynamics, and making choices about who we want to be and where we want to go. For years, I was stuck on the bottom of the social totem-pole. I was bullied, and constantly confused why. I had friends I enjoyed, but found social situations intensely exhausting.

A while ago, I decided to act and dress differently. I signaled "loner band geek" and am learning how to signal.... something else, more sophisticated... and a niche or archetype that has friends and more of what I want.

so, I've certainly been on the receiving end of women's hatred. For years I perceived the rest of women with a fine disdain, and passively separated myself. Is that necessary? No. Is that how all women act? No... but there is a social structure that encourages it. Understanding how the social structure is arranged, how you fit into it.... and being able to move throughout the social structure as desired? That is how I win this game, and get more of what I want.

Women don't "hate" each other.They mostly "hate" themselves. To be more accurate,their own insecurities manifest in ways one could interpret as hate or/and envy.I noticed how before I was certain I could get a man I truly like,I was envious of Insta celebs,models,friends,you name it.Once I got to the point of truly knowing my traits are appreciated,and once I became aware of what makes men responsive and interested(RP is a huge part of it),I never once looked at a perfect body and hated the girl who has it.I'm mostly inspired now,or indifferent.I imagine it's the same for all other women...or men,who are the same in this regard,they just talk less,so it's not as noticable.Their pride doesn't let them talk about others as much,we women make career out of it :D.

Women hold a grudge for freaking ever. And many are so damn petty...men can't understand this and it seems foolish to me.

I think that is something like a self fulfilling prophecy. It is told so often that all believe it and act accordingly. But if you look at tribal communities you will find that it is the women who keep the peace and encourage the men to do the same. I am blessed to have a circle of close female friends, a Sisterhood that withstood many hardships.

I don't. I have DEFINITELY met many women who do but I don't. Now if we are directly competing for a guy I'm generally not the biggest fan of the competition but I've actually been known to respect the girl game of a lot of my "competition" not like but respect ????but girls I'm not competing with, I like just fine if they're a good person. I can't imagine what I'd do without my four best female friends. It helps hugely that none of them have my taste in guys I'll admit but those girls are my rock. I'd trust them with my life. Life is so much better when you have your girls by your side, I really don't understand women who don't like other women.

Obviously you can't judge everyone from the same gender to all think alike, judging people by groups instead of individuals is wrong, especially about what they believe in their hearts.

I don't think all women hate each other. But I do think there are many issues that bring up conflict between women. One example is the huge shift from women managing households to managing high demand workloads AND households. I think women are capable of this, but it's a huge shift to complete and it will take more than one generation to assimilate to this greater stress demand. Here's a great article on some of the consequences of this social shift and the consequences it has on female coworker relationships http://www.butidohavealawdegree.com/2011/10/beware-female-biglaw-partner.html?m=1

Depends on the context. When it comes to say empowerment you hear the whole "you go girl you can have it all and do what you want without judgement" blah blah blah. That I think is a situation where women can all mutually benefit.

However, change the context to say men. More specifically, a man a girl wants. When it comes to good (and masculine) men, women dont like sharing. you being a woman, I'm sure you've heard at one point one of your girlfriends say something on the lines of "why is he with her, shes so trash/shes such a whore". It doesn't even register to your girlfriend that she may be whorish/trashy herself. Even if she tries to play it off or try to be casual about it you know deep down she resents the other girl (even though the other girl has never done anything to her). Why? Because the other girl has something that she wants but cant readily have, and no amount of girl power will change that.

Women, like men, compete. they just compete over different things. Men don't really disguise it under a veil of "we really like each other and are good friends". We come together for a common (often temporary) interest but we still understand that it is every man for themselves.

TRP can oversimplify things. Women do not all secretly hate each other. However, there is a lot of sexual and social completion among women. This competition is much more subtle then that between men because of the more subtle communication style of the female gender. Theres a lot more gossip and innuendo used among women than among men. An example of this is slut shaming, women shaming other women to diminish them as sexual competition. Men might shame with overt hostility. Women are more subtle with various techniques of social ostracizing. This is however a generalization and is not meant to imply men can't be subtle or women are never overt.

Nope. Honestly, don't. I've always had female heavy friend groups and never really seen it either. TV always tries to act like there is weird competition in friend groups, but I've never experienced it.

I don't think women hate each other, but I think we compete with each other and are not always aware we're doing so.

OMG no. I love being around other ladies. We don't always agree, don't always do the same thing, and don't always like the same stuff. But we like each other.

I've always been a bit of a tomboy and fortunately that's just fine with my gentleman. My lady friends balance me out, and remind me of all the different ways I can be feminine. I treasure them dearly.

Those who have a very low self-esteem might hate on other women to make themselves feel better.

I know one gal that would always put other women down especially the ones who were much more attractive than her. It's a way for some to boost their ego.

I, on the other hand, I know who I am. I know my self- worth. I know where I'm going. I do not have a reason to hate another woman.

I never had an ounce of hate or bitterness towards my friends and they have mostly all been prettier than me. I thought competition and jealousy between women was just a stereotype... until I started putting the time and effort into my appearance and femininity. My best friend told me I wasn't allowed to be skinnier than her around her boyfriend. Once I was within competition range of my friends their behavior started to change. Really sad eye opening experience for me. I thought they'd be happy for me to be the one finally getting attention, just like I was for them. But I was wrong. I wouldn't say women hate each other but I would say they are very easily threatened by a woman with better looks, even if it's all in her head.

I'm not really "RP" either but I like this sub and have things in common with the women who post here. I'm more like a traditional/submissive wife, I guess. I find TRP sub overwhelming and generally avoid it.

I don't think all women secretly hate each other, maybe toxic women feel that way but a normal healthy person doesn't have hatred or ill will towards anyone.

I love and appreciate the women in my life and want the best for all women (which is why certain aspects of feminism concern me so much).

From my experience, when I was younger (and immature) I would not like any new girl I met, I think it was more about competition and insecurity on my side.

Now Im open to meeting new people in general, both men and women. I have amazing girl friends that I don't think I would have become friends with 10 years ago.

Definitely not hate. I describe it as a game - The Comparison Game, to be precise.

Other people describe it as a "crabs in a bucket" mentality - where every time one crab tries to climb high enough to escape the bucket (stepping over other crabs to get there), the other crabs grab it and pull it down so no one ever leaves. When women try to ascend social circles, other women have a tendency to do things to knock her down a few pegs so instead of ascending she remains within the existing circle of friends.

Most social women have a close bond in communal settings to the degree that anything that threatens their circle of friends is addressed immediately and with full force:

• If one gets a new boyfriend who is poisoning her against the group or is just taking all her time from the group, he is bad-mouthed until she leaves him, or she is shamed or excommunicated until she returns

• If one girl is acting in a way that makes the group look bad, they hold an intervention or shame her or try other behavior-modification tactics

• If someone in the group is depressed and not spending time with the group, they rally around her to lift her spirits

• If one member of the group isn't pulling her weight toward the advancement of the group's purposes, the group eggs her on so she can become more like them

One way or another, women most often do what's best for their social circle, not just what's best for them individually. We don't see this behavior happening among male friends, who are usually far more focused on individual efforts rather than what's best for the group.

If you're interested, I wrote more about the comparison game aspect of this in another thread on this sub here.